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Whippethi all03:05
Whippetwondering if anyone could help me with cairo-dock?03:06
Whippetit installed ok, but will not launch03:06
Whippetusing ubuntu 8.0403:07
Whippetinstalled by launching the cairo-dock*.deb and cairo-dock-plug-ins*.deb03:07
Whippetfiles show up in right places03:08
Whippetbut /usr/bin/cairo-dock wont launch03:08
Whippetsays it's there but no launchy :-(03:08
Whippetspecific error msg. is Failed to execute child process "cairo-dock" (No such file or directory)03:09
Whippetwhich is puzzling as the files and directories exist and the cairo-dock is marked as executable03:10
Whippetany help would be appreciated03:10
DShepherddoes anyone else find the tracker-applet notification icons not very intuitive?04:50
dholbachgood morning06:55
huatsmoring everyone09:37
seb128pochu: did you read my reply to your comment about the gtk-vnc update?10:01
pochuseb128: yeah, I'll look at them10:03
seb128thanks10:03
pochusoren: gtk-vnc is a sync for Intrepid, right?10:04
seb128let me know if you need some testing, etc10:04
pochuthanks10:04
sorenpochu: AFAIR, yes.10:05
pochufrom the changelog it looks like ;)10:05
pochusoren: it adds a new binary package, mozilla-gtk-vnc (--enable-plugin=yes), is that ok?10:08
sorenpochu: For intrepid? Sure, sure.10:09
sorenI looking forward to that one, actually :)10:09
pochuheh10:11
pochuseb128: can you sync gtk-vnc for Intrepid?10:11
seb128yes10:11
pochugood morning slomo_!10:14
seb128pitti: the pending sru code seems to pick upstream bug numbers too, it doesn't use Launchpad-Bugs-Fixed?10:18
pittiseb128: it only looks at the actual changelog10:19
pittiseb128: I started with parsing for LP: #123410:19
pittiseb128: but that didn't catch a lot of mis-formatted bug numbers10:19
seb128hum10:19
pittiso I made it more flexible10:19
seb128pitti: looks at the evolution bugs list for example10:19
pittiof course that means getting false positives, but that's better than not showing all LP bugs IMHO10:19
seb128ok10:20
seb128I should clean the upstream numbers next time then10:20
pittihehe, yea10:20
pittiseb128: no, please keep them, they are useful10:20
pittiseb128: it's quite clear that those are upstream #, not LP #10:20
seb128ok10:20
pittiseb128: well, I have started to reject packages with invalid changelogs (missing bug #), etc.10:20
pittiif we become consequent with that, I can make the parsing stricter again10:21
seb128I was not sure if you were aiming at "all green" on this list before copying to updates or something10:21
pittiseb128: oh, no; only the LP ones10:21
seb128ok, as long as you can figure which ones are lp or not that's fine I guess ;-)10:21
pittionce we hit the 3xxxxxx range, it becomes harder, of course10:22
pittiI try to train myself to not be forgiving about wrong SRU changelogs now10:22
mantienahi all10:27
mantienaIs this channel correct place to ask about strange behaviour of hal and policy-kit ?10:27
mantienaor it's better to ask at ubuntu-devel ?10:28
mantienaanyone here?10:32
seb128hi mantiena, you can always ask10:33
mantienaseb128: :)10:33
mantienaso, question is - why policy-kit doesn't allow to upgrade hal package in chroot ?10:34
mantienaroot@linux-desktop:/# dpkg --configure -a10:34
mantienaSetting up hal (0.5.11~rc2-1ubuntu8) ...10:34
mantiena * Reloading system message bus config...                                [ OK ]10:34
mantienapolkit-read-auth-helper: needs to be setgid polkituser10:34
mantienapolkit-auth: NotAuthorizedToReadAuthorizationsForOtherUsers: uid 0 is not authorized to read authorizations for uid 111 (requires org.freedesktop.policykit.read)10:34
mantienaI've found which hal.postinst line couses this message:10:35
mantiena# Allow hal to query the PolicyKit database to enforce privileges10:36
mantiena  if ! /usr/bin/polkit-auth --user haldaemon --explicit | grep -q 'org.freedesktop.policykit.read'; then10:36
mantiena      /usr/bin/polkit-auth --user haldaemon --grant 'org.freedesktop.policykit.read'10:36
mantiena  fi10:36
mantienaSo, is it bug in hal package or bug in policy-kit ?10:36
pochuseb128, soren: gtk-vnc uploaded and built at https://edge.launchpad.net/~pochu/+archive, with the 3 fixes.10:41
sorenpochu: Awesome!10:41
pochuseb128: I'll ask for testing in the 3 bug reports10:42
seb128ok, thanks10:42
pochuwait10:42
seb128pochu: it's not listed there yet, maybe you need to remove the 0.3.5 candidate?10:42
pochuright, I just got a rejected mail10:42
pochuanyway, it built fine on my desktop ;)10:43
pochubah I guess it will take some time for the ppa to remove the package...10:45
seb128should not10:45
sorenEr.. Yes.10:46
sorenIt's done by a nightly cron job.10:46
pochuI thought that was already fixed, but looks like not10:46
sorenAt least it used to be.10:46
pochuat least it's dissapeared from the UI but it's still at http://ppa.launchpad.net/pochu/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gtk-vnc/10:46
pochuso I guess a new upload will be rejected again10:47
pochuseb128, soren: anyway, I've put the diff.gz & .dsc at http://emilio.pozuelo.org/~deb/, you know where to get the orig from ;)10:47
seb128ah ok10:47
pochufeel free to play with it :)10:47
seb128pochu: can you attach the debdiff to one of the bugs rather?10:47
pochuah, sure10:47
seb128pochu: that's what is required for a sure anyway10:47
seb128s/sure/sru10:48
pochuseb128: attached at bug 20622710:50
ubottuLaunchpad bug 206227 in gtk-vnc "vinagre fails to connect" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20622710:50
seb128pochu: thanks10:50
pochuanytime10:51
pochubbl10:51
seb128see you later10:51
seb128soren: want to give it a try and do the sponsoring?10:51
sorenseb128: I won't get around to it today, then.10:52
sorenseb128: I can do it tomorrow or the next day.10:52
seb128soren: well, no hurry, before 8.04.1 would be nice though ;-)10:52
sorenI think I can manage that :)10:53
seb128thanks10:57
mantienaseb128: so, could you tell me anything about hal updating problem? It appreard when I upgrading hal from hardy-updates...12:01
seb128no12:05
seb128I've no clue about this one12:06
mantienapitti: maybe I should talk with you about hal updating problems ?12:13
pittimantiena: sure12:13
mantienapitti: should I repeat my lines or you can look at the history of this channel (I've post 2 hours ago) ?12:35
pittimantiena: I have scrollback, give me another 5 mins12:35
pitti(I'd like to finish my current task)12:36
mantienaok12:37
pittimantiena: oh, hal in a chroot? I guess that will break in more than one way12:38
pittimantiena: do you have policykit running in the chroot?12:38
mantienapitti: I don't think so, but in any case - I think there should be a way to upgrade hal package in chroot12:39
mantienapitti: I'm remastering Ubuntu LiveCD and wanna have to update latest packages12:40
pittimantiena: does it help to stop the 'outside' hal and policykit, and restart the ones in the chroot?12:41
mantienapitti: I can try, didn't this break my internet connection or something ?12:41
pittiyes, it might (network-manager)12:42
pittiI don't see a way how to sensibly run two hals on the same machine at the same time12:42
mantienapitti: but I don't need to run hal inside chroot, I just need to update hal package12:42
pittimantiena: oh12:42
pittimantiena: using policy-rc.d might help then, but it'll proably stumble over the polkit-auth call12:43
mantienaI've found which hal.postinst line couses this message:12:44
mantiena# Allow hal to query the PolicyKit database to enforce privileges12:44
mantiena  if ! /usr/bin/polkit-auth --user haldaemon --explicit | grep -q 'org.freedesktop.policykit.read'; then12:44
mantiena      /usr/bin/polkit-auth --user haldaemon --grant 'org.freedesktop.policykit.read'12:44
mantiena  fi12:44
mantienaare these lines needed for upgrading hal package ?12:45
* mantiena is not policy-kit guru ...12:45
pittimantiena: actually only for the first installation12:45
pittiso those could be wrapped into12:46
pittiif [ -z "$2" ]; then12:46
mantienapitti: so, should I report a bug against hal package ?12:47
mantiena:)12:47
asacpitti:12:47
asacmerging country code en12:47
asacmerging country code es12:47
asacmerging country code pt12:47
asacmerging country code zh12:47
asaci guess for those few it makes sense to manually upload lang packs?12:47
pittimantiena: no need to, I just fixed it in trunk: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/hal/ubuntu/revision/23512:48
* pitti hugs asac12:48
pittiasac: yes, I think so; that should be done in the update packages12:49
asacpitti: update package? will that work?12:49
pittiasac: you need to update them anyway, since version(base) == version(update) ATM, and base version X depends on update version >= X12:50
pittiasac: so you can as well put them into the updates only (they Replaces: -base)12:50
asacyes ... i thought ill punch the new tarballs in base and upload update with bumpbed depends12:50
asacpitti: ok i see .. problem is that in en we have "en" + "en_GB" ... i would like to remove "en" from that12:51
pochuseb128, soren: gtk-vnc is now in my ppa in the correct version (the debdiff remains the same): https://edge.launchpad.net/~pochu/+archive12:51
mantienapitti: oh, you don't wanna increase my karma in launchpad ....12:51
asaci think its not important.12:51
asacso i can go for update package only12:51
seb128pochu: cool, thanks12:51
pittimantiena: heh; if you insist, you can file it anyway :)12:51
pittimantiena: (or if you need it for tracking purposes)12:51
pittiasac: I agree; fewer packages to touch, and testing this scenario is good anyway (it's supposed to work)12:52
pittiasac: scenario> update packages providing newer translations than -base12:52
* mantiena wanna to become ubuntu member, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MantasKriaučiūnas12:52
mantienapitti: maybe you wanna write testmonial into my wiki page ?12:53
mantiena;)12:53
asacpitti: ok fine. how about moving things to language-support when 3.0 RC1 comes out. people kick me all the time :/12:53
pittiasac: to language-*support*? heck, we just got rid of that?12:53
asacpitti: err, no idea how the package is called. i mean move it from -gnome- to a common package12:54
pittiasac: ah, I see; if Riddell is ok with that, sure12:55
asacpitti: ok, ill talk into him :)12:55
asacanyway ... i am doing the langpack updates as discussed for now12:55
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pittiasac: great12:56
mantienapitti: so, what about your testmonial into my wiki page ? ;)12:59
asacpitti: all three packs in bug 222673 are waiting for approval i guess13:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 222673 in rosetta "language-pack-gnome-pt-base has pt-br translation" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22267313:38
pittimantiena: what do you mean?13:43
pittiasac: great, so it worked correctly? (replacing files, etc.)13:43
asacpitti: for me the result looks ok. there are no conflicts when installing and the problems are fixed13:44
pitticool13:46
asacpitti: all files replaced are identical to the ones in -base ... so i cannot check that easily if he replace worked properly13:46
asacbut i hope that dpkg still works :)13:47
asacat least the new files are now in there ... and thats what i wanted13:47
pittiprocessing13:47
pittiasac: accepted; so what did you change in the po2xpi scripts now? can we roll this out to rookery as well?13:50
asacpitti: i produced it on rookery13:51
pittiasac: ah, so there's just one language tarball now? awesome13:51
* pitti hugs asac13:51
asacso its already rolled there ... i added merge logic to the mozilla-rosetta/rosetta_xpi_to_sources script13:52
pittiasac: I'll check the next set of automatic PPA updates then13:52
pittiah, I see13:52
asacpitti: you run daily PPA updates?13:53
pittiasac: twice a week, rather13:53
asacjust note that for the next few days the .po files for firefox and xulrunner are bogus because a fix landed in launchpad and we have to reimport translations13:53
pittioh, good to know13:54
pittiasac: I was planning to copy the PPA to -proposed next Monday13:54
asacill let you know once everything is fine again13:54
pittibut then I'll hold off13:54
pittithanks13:54
asacyeah ... i just got to know about this today13:54
asacbut jtv is on it13:54
asacbut there is good news ... the xulrunner-1.9 update triggered the auto import this time. so at least that appears to work finally now13:56
pochuseb128: hey, could you sync gstreamer0.10 for Intrepid?14:04
pochuslomo_: ^^14:04
slomo_:)14:04
pochu\o/14:04
pochuyah for the GStreamer stuck in sync with Debian!14:04
seb128"stuck"?14:05
pochuerr, stack :)14:05
seb128ah ;-)14:05
seb128what was the change there? the symlink upgrade cdbs thing?14:05
pochuslomo_: what would you think if I find a new contributor willing to learn and do merges? you have a lot to do and I don't think I'll be able to take care of all of them as I did when Hardy opened14:06
pochuseb128: yup14:06
pochuand this one14:06
pochu      debian/libgstreamer.symbols:14:06
pochu      + Don't use the binary registry for now, too intrusive change for14:06
pochu        hardy and we'll switch after release.14:06
seb128synced14:06
seb128ok14:06
pochuthanks!14:06
emberheya14:06
asacpochu: you have a list of merges you would like to give away?14:08
asacpochu: i have someone in mozillateam who needs more on his list for MOTU application :) (jazzva)14:08
seb128pochu, slomo_: do you know if some of the gstreamer updates are bug fix versions we should consider for hardy updates?14:10
pochuasac: I have tracker and liferea, feel free to ask him to give them15:09
asacpochu: ok ill ask once he shows up15:10
mantienapitti: I mean than you could recommend me :) I'm good bugreporter :)15:27
mantienapitti: or you could mention me at least in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/hal/ubuntu/revision/235 :)15:35
* mantiena wanna to become ubuntu member, so, I need to document my contributions to Ubuntu, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MantasKriaučiūnas15:35
pittimantiena: aah, I see15:39
mantienapitti: btw, maybe we need to forbid hal to query the PolicyKit database to enforce privileges in hal.postrm if we "allow hal to query the PolicyKit database to enforce privileges" in hal.postinst ?15:39
pittimantiena: I'll put a blob on your page15:40
mantienapitti: thanks15:43
hggdhseb128: good morning15:53
seb128hello hggdh15:53
seb128hggdh: so the cpu issue seems to be due to the e-a-n run?15:53
hggdhseb128: yes, it seems so. I sort of expected that, but we still do not know why15:54
seb128no15:54
seb128I'm pondering dropping the autostart desktop if upstream doesn't respond to the issue15:54
hggdha bypass is to take out e-a-n from the suto start-up, but this would break notifications everywhere15:54
hggdhs/suto/auto/15:54
seb128well, we added it for this reason15:54
seb128I've the impression upstream doesn't care a lot about non evolution users15:55
hggdhnow that I am home, I will set up one system I have to try to get it15:55
seb128or rather they use evolution so they don't miss notifications because it has not been started15:55
hggdhI agree -- chats I had upstream... they tell me to get more data,15:55
hggdhbut we have gotten a lot of data already15:55
seb128right, I'm wondering what exactly they want now15:56
seb128we got debug stacktrace, strace logs, we know it's triggered for users not using evolution15:56
hggdhinteresting is that only Ubuntu seems to have been hit so far15:56
hggdhit is triggered for evo users also15:56
seb128well, the autostart desktop is an ubuntu patch15:56
hggdhah15:56
seb128so not so surprising15:56
seb128upstream relies on evolution being started and running e-a-n15:57
hggdhah... so there!15:57
seb128who do you speak to about this issue upstream usually?15:57
hggdhanyone online, mchra, mbarnes, srag15:58
seb128ok15:58
hggdhAFAIR mbarnes and mchra were the last15:58
hggdhnow one thing I do not understand: if e-a-n is used elsewhere in Gnome, why isn't e-a-n autostarted on every distro?15:59
hggdhalso, what would happen is we autostarted e-d-s before e-a-n?16:00
seb128hggdh: other distros get no calendar notifications until somebody starts evolution16:05
hggdhseb128: so... either Gnome sports (and announces) calendar notifications, or officially drops this to only Evo users16:06
seb128well, that's something GNOME should look at fixing yes16:08
seb128hggdh: starting e-a-n before e-d-s causes no issue on my box, e-d-s is just autospawned as it should16:08
seb128hggdh: I just tried several evolution --force-shutdown && /usr/lib/evolution/2.22/evolution-alarm-notify16:09
hggdhseb128: I have been trying also, and never got it -- but, then, all I had was linux6416:16
hggdhseb128: this is why I want to install hardy32 on one of my machines16:16
hggdhmy hunch of being related to one single CPU did not pan out :-(16:17
seb128I'm using only 32 bit installs16:17
hggdhdarn! another hunch goes down the drain!16:17
seb128I don't think it's so low level issue16:18
mantiena/me wonders why pitti wanna put Binary Large OBject (BLOB) on my page...16:18
seb128must be a race somewhere in the e-d-s code16:18
hggdhwhat is weird is that some users have it occasionally, and others almost always (secretlondon, for example)16:18
seb128races can be weird ;-)16:18
hggdhyeah16:18
hggdhon one of the loops all that I could see were very fast poll () -- like glib got lost16:19
hggdhand continuous poll() with a timeout of zero would indeed cause some CPU use16:20
seb128right16:20
hggdhnow this is why I still think it is related to glib -- applications do not have that low access to poll, or g_hash_*16:21
seb128that's weird that nothing else trigger the issue if that's a glib bug16:24
hggdhI also agree. Must be something on how e-a-n starts up. But the e-a-n code is quite simple, and looks very much (to my ignorant eyes) like a standard glib usage16:25
hggdhso we go back to e-a-n and e-d-s iteraction -- and, still, glib16:26
hggdhbecause glib is the glue between both16:27
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pochuember: feel free to ping me if you need sponsorship for your exaile merge ;)17:43
pochuember: or if you can't do it, let me know, I'll find some new contributor willing to do it! :)17:51
pochuthere's people on ubuntu-motu-mentors asking for merges so should be trivial17:51
pochu^-- that's for everybody in the channel, if you don't want to do your merges... although you will have to help the new contributor if he has issues with it ;)17:52
emberyeah i think you can give that merge to one of those people17:52
emberi'm waiting till i get a chroot of intrepid created (because of perl bug)17:52
pochuah, ok17:53
pochuwell actually I have requested some syncs without test-building them, but this soon in the cycle I don't think that's very important... as they built in Debian and the auto-syncer doesn't test-build them prior to sync packages :)17:54
pochuand I don't think I'm the only one here ;)17:55
pochuactually cdbs seems to be uninstallable in the buildds17:55
emberif nobody looks for exaile i can do it later at night17:57
emberbut you can sync evolution-rss17:59
ember:p17:59
doul_doulHello !19:42
doul_doulCan you help me about gDesklets (is #ubuntu-desktop the good channel ?)19:43
doul_doulI would like to put a desklet always on top19:43
doul_doulis anybody here ?19:44
andreasndoul_doul: you can try #ubuntu , this is a development channel19:46
andreasnI have no idea how to do it myself19:46
doul_doulokay, thank you19:52
mantienapitti: May I expect your blob on my ubuntu wiki page, which you mentioned at 17:40:54 ?19:57
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mptUgh, it's pretty annoying that the Screen Resolution window doesn't fit in 640x48020:21
seb128mpt: because other applications do fit nicely on that? ;-)20:28
mptseb128, I'm testing applications that don't, and it would be nice to be able to use the mouse to go back to my normal resolution afterwards :-)20:28
mpt(testing, and providing design fixes for)20:29
seb128mpt: I was just reading bug #22422920:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 224229 in gnome-control-center "Quite hard to change screen resolution back to normal when resolution is set very low" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22422920:31
mptseb128, +1 to Bryce's comments20:33
mptThe "Detect Displays" button taking up as much room as it does is ridiculous20:33
mptGTK should refuse to make any button more than 250% the width of its label ;-)20:34
andreasnmpt: did the Brasero bug where it asked if you wanted to set it as default get solved?20:34
mptandreasn, according to the Bugzilla comment yes. I haven't confirmed it myself.20:35
seb128mpt: I'm not sure those will be enough to get it fitting on screen though20:35
seb128mpt: you would like better an non expansed button there?20:35
seb128that would look weird no?20:36
andreasnmpt: I just noticed evolution throws up a pretty similar icky dialog, so I wanted to check that it was technically possible to insert "Current Application X"20:36
mptseb128, sure, it would look weird either way, which is a clue that it's in the wrong place20:36
mptandreasn, I'd be (pleasantly) surprised if the Brasero peeps had implemented that detail20:36
cody-somervillegicmo, looks like we're room mates in Prague.20:37
seb128mpt: still, I'm not sure it's possible to make GNOME works correctly on 640x480, and who is used that on normal installations anyway?20:37
andreasnmpt: right20:37
mptseb128, people with subnotebooks20:37
mptlike that eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeepc20:37
seb128mpt: I wrote "normal" on purpose, mobiles are a different target and have adapted interfaces20:38
mptsubnotebooks != mobiles20:38
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