[03:46] <ToddBrandt> StevenK: have you seen this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/moblin-applets/+bug/206373
[03:47] <ToddBrandt> I'm considering removing the installtion of our moblin-time applet in favor of just allowing gnome-system-tools 2.22.0's time-admin program to handle things
[03:48] <ToddBrandt> the gnome-system-tools version is integrated with policykit and, despite the fact that it requires ume user login, appears to at least function where the moblin-time version can't because it's prevented from accessing liboobs functions for some reason
[03:48] <ToddBrandt> StevenK: what do you think?
[03:50] <StevenK> Or you could change moblin-time to call the same functions that g-s-t does?
[05:51] <inkynoob> I did a ctrl-c in the middle of an 'apt-get install <list of packages>', before anything was downloaded. Now apt-get wants to install those packages even though I don't want to. Does anyone know how to make apt-get forget them?
[06:00] <persia> inkynoob: `apt-get remove $(list-of-packages)`
[06:00] <persia> Essentially, you need to unmark them as being desirable for installation.
[06:03] <inkynoob> hmm, maybe I'm doing something else then. I was trying to get openoffice off the list of packages. It might be that it's a dependency of some other package I'm installing
[06:05] <persia> Most likely.
[06:05] <inkynoob> thanks for the help. I'm going to have to look at this closer tomorrow. Good night!
[06:05] <persia> What are you installing?
[06:05] <persia> Right.  Tomorrow then :)
[06:55] <dholbach> good morning
[08:31] <horaceli> lool, ping
[08:38] <horaceli> StevenK, ping
[08:39] <StevenK> horaceli?
[08:39] <horaceli> hi, StevenK
[08:40] <StevenK> horaceli: Pinging in two channels is pointless, I'll see it at the same time anyway. :-)
[08:40] <StevenK> horaceli: What's up?
[08:40] <horaceli> :-), yep, just for double insurance
[08:40] <horaceli> I was told you are the buildmaster.
[08:40] <horaceli> and I am fixing a bug of marquee-plugins.
[08:40] <horaceli> a patch has been generated but I have no idea where to put it.
[08:41] <StevenK> horaceli: Is there a bug open?
[08:41] <horaceli> I know lool maintained a separate marquee-plugins for Hardy
[08:41] <horaceli> yes, it is a open bug
[08:41] <horaceli> bug #213364
[08:41] <horaceli> https://bugs.launchpad.net/moblin-ui-framework/+bug/213364
[08:41] <horaceli> here is the link
[08:46] <StevenK> horaceli: Date and time launched from the marquee should be a modal dialog." ?
[08:46] <horaceli> yes
[08:46] <horaceli> and I applied the second suggestion that add a 'Close' button on dialog
[08:46] <horaceli> set it to modal might have other side-effect
[08:47] <StevenK> Right, there's a marquee-plugins 0.22-0ubuntu1 in Hardy. There doesn't look to be one in the PPA.
[08:47] <horaceli> no, it doesn't
[08:48] <StevenK> horaceli: Does your patch apply against 0.22?
[08:48] <horaceli> neither does it in bzr
[08:48] <horaceli> yes, based on 0.22-0ubuntu1
[08:49] <StevenK> horaceli: That bug is listed against Moblin Applets, not Moblin UI Framework, though.
[08:49] <horaceli> and I don't know where the source is maintained
[08:49] <horaceli> yes, it was originally considered as moblin applets bug
[08:49] <horaceli> but since it is a marquee-plugins, then Todd suggested to regard it as ui bug
[08:50] <StevenK> So it should be listed as affecting Moblin UI Framework, and marked as Invalid for Moblin Applets
[08:50] <horaceli> you mean on the bug page?
[08:50] <StevenK> Right
[08:51] <horaceli> yep,  you are right.
[08:51] <horaceli> someone only updates the bug owner
[08:51] <horaceli> but not update its category
[08:52] <horaceli> StevnK, it is updated now
[08:52] <horaceli> :-)
[08:53] <horaceli> StevenK
[08:54] <StevenK> horaceli: Okay, so the next step is to say in the bug you've got a fix, and you're attaching a patch to correct it.
[08:54] <StevenK> There's a field in adding a comment to add a attachment too
[08:56] <horaceli> yes, I have patch.
[08:56] <horaceli> so you suggest I append a comment with my patch attached?
[08:56] <horaceli> StevenK
[08:58] <StevenK> horaceli: Exactly.
[09:00] <horaceli> ok, but after I attached my patch, will there be someone help to handle it?
[09:01] <horaceli> since the owner is bob, which is the same as I own the bug. :-P
[09:01] <StevenK> horaceli: Yes, me.
[09:01] <StevenK> Heh, oops.
[09:01] <StevenK> horaceli: I wasn't aware you and Bob were the same person. :-)
[09:01] <horaceli> ahoh, StevenK, I dropped my connection
[09:01] <horaceli> ah. I don't mean that, StevenK
[09:02] <horaceli> poor english of me.
[09:02] <StevenK> [18:02] < horaceli> since the owner is bob, which is the same as I own the bug. :-P
[09:02] <StevenK> horaceli: I know, I'm making a joke. :-)
[09:02] <horaceli> :-)
[09:02] <horaceli> yep, that is a good one.
[09:02] <horaceli> StevenK, that will be good, I am updating now
[09:02] <horaceli> and let you know once it is done.
[09:02] <StevenK> horaceli: Upload your patch, and either me or lool will look at it.
[09:03] <StevenK> Since lool joined while your connection reset.
[09:03] <StevenK> Ah, no, his connection just dropped and came back. Oh well.
[09:07] <horaceli> StevenK, it is done
[09:07] <horaceli> please refresh the page.
[09:08]  * StevenK does so.
[09:11] <StevenK> horaceli: Okay, so I'm going to add your patch to the marquee-plugins package and test it. I might even upload it if you're very lucky. :-)
[09:12] <StevenK> horaceli: I'd suggest you get the same patch commited in git so that when we update marquee-plugins, we can drop the patch.
[09:20] <StevenK> horaceli: How do I bring up the dialog box that you added the Close button to?
[09:49] <horaceli> StevenK, you could click on the clock plugin area on marquee panel to launch up date & time dialog
[09:50] <horaceli> and once dialog is launched up, it can only be closed by clicking 'Close' button.
[09:50] <horaceli> StevenK, when you said 'get the same patch committed in git', does it mean git repo on Moblin.org?
[09:51] <horaceli> I will add my patch to Moblin.org. :-)
[09:55] <StevenK> horaceli: Yes, I did mean that.
[09:56] <horaceli> StevenK, okay, I have pushed my patch to git repo, master branch.
[09:56] <horaceli> if you have any questions on verifying the patch, just feel free to let me know
[10:00] <lool> horaceli: Heya; sorry my connection is flaky
[10:01] <lool> (what you people see connecting and disconnecting is my remote irssi on a colo server, but I was disconnected at home)
[10:02] <horaceli> lool, :-), never mind. I have talked to StevenK
[10:02] <lool> horaceli: Yup, I see the backlog
[10:02] <horaceli> great.
[10:02] <lool> horaceli: We only have bzr trees for modules we imported from maemo's svn
[10:02] <lool> horaceli: For the moblin modules, we simply keep the packaging in the "archive", either hardy or the ppa
[10:03] <lool> The reason there's nothing in the ppa is that the version of hardy had everything we needed and we didn't need to fork it
[10:03] <horaceli> lool, I found marquee-plugins is deleted from ppa
[10:03] <lool> But now that hardy is frozen, we will upload to the ppa
[10:03] <horaceli> I see
[10:03] <horaceli> that will be better, since I then could know how to do to update the package. :-)
[10:03] <lool> horaceli: Someone, probably me, uploaded a new marquee-plugins superseding all previous ones to hardy and there was no need to keep it in ppa
[10:04] <lool> horaceli: You could update it in ppa too if you wish, you would have taken it from hardy, applied your patch, and pushed to ppa
[10:04] <horaceli> what about the version naming.
[10:04] <lool> horaceli: That ppa versus hardy upload story is complex, it's because we're not aligned with Ubuntu cycles
[10:05] <lool> horaceli: There's a wiki page on version numbering, but for purely mobile modules you don't need to care
[10:05] <lool> It's particularly important to get it right when we fork non-mobile modules like say cairo or pango or xorg or whatever
[10:05] <lool> For purely mobile modules, we just have to be careful not to reuse version numbers so that it's unambiguous
[10:06] <horaceli> okay, I see
[10:06] <lool> The traditional way to get changes in Ubuntu is to file a bug and attach a patch, or when you're a MOTU/core dev, upload
[10:07] <lool> But in the case of mobile, we have this ppa as a "fork" place and everybody can upload to it, so the rules aren't really the same
[10:07] <lool> But it should really go away next cycle
[10:07] <lool> It's quite painful to deal with
[10:07] <horaceli> :-). you must suffer a lot.
[10:08] <horaceli> lool, I will put a marquee-plugins package with my patch to ppa
[10:08] <lool> Yes, I'm rolling on the floor and crying
[10:08] <lool> horaceli: Ok
[10:18] <lool> ToddBrandt: Hmm you mention moblin-applets 0.60 in #224123, but I don't see the tarball in /releases on moblin.org?
[11:05] <StevenK> horaceli: I have a marquee-plugins prepared.
[11:05] <StevenK> horaceli: I just need to test it before I upload.
[11:29] <theseinfeld> howdy
[11:30] <theseinfeld> is it me, or the ports.ubuntu.com is down?
[11:30] <theseinfeld> yes
[11:30] <theseinfeld> sorry
[11:30] <theseinfeld> it is me :)
[15:18] <stuporglue> I installed the ubuntu-mobile package, and compared the list of packages it installs to the packages installed in an image created by the Moblin Image Creator. There are a lot of packages that aren't installed by the ubuntu-mobile package -- should this be the case?
[15:19] <lool> stuporglue: Other packages are pulled by so called FSets
[15:19] <lool> This is a concept of the tool used to create images, MIC
[15:19] <lool> (moblin-image-creator)
[15:19] <lool> I'm not too hot about using FSets, they are simply a way to list packages to install in a file
[15:20] <lool> It probably makes sense to have such a concept to customize builds / images for use cases, such as hardware platforms
[15:20] <lool> Most of the software stack should be pulled by ubuntu-mobile though
[15:20] <stuporglue> Are fsets supposed to pull in platform specific packages, or specific use case packages? Eg. Openoffice is installed by MIC (samsung target), but not the ubuntu-mobile package
[15:21] <lool> So this is typically inappropriate; I think the software stack shouldn't be influenced by the choice of target platform
[15:21] <lool> We could imagine having things like ubuntu-mobile-mid and ubuntu-mobile-subnotebook in the future when we want to switch between multiple stacks, but it's a very future thought
[15:23] <stuporglue> I see. It still seems that the ubuntu-mobile package is missing stuff though. eg. it includes a launcher for pidgin on the desktop, but doesn't include the pidgin-mameo package, and the hicolor icon theme isn't included which makes the volume/brightness icons not appear. 
[15:24] <lool> It's quite likely that it is indeed missing stuff
[15:25] <StevenK> The ubuntu-mobile package in Hardy doesn't include pidgin-maemo because pidgin-maemo isn't in Hardy.
[15:25] <StevenK> The ubuntu-mobile package in the PPA does, because the PPA includes pidgin-maemo.
[15:25] <lool> Oh good point; stuporglue: make sure you check the ubuntu-mobile pacakge in the ppa
[15:25] <lool> The builds aren't based on hardy alone, but on hardy + ppa
[15:26] <stuporglue> gotcha. I may have added the ppa sources after I installed ubuntu-mobile. Sorry about that
[15:27] <stuporglue> I'll do an install and make sure I have the ppa sources, then look at this again. 
[16:49] <Bert_2> hi, can someone help me with installing/Xnesting ubuntu-mobile as I don't really get what I'm supposed to do if I look at the wiki