[00:15] <xubuntuser> screens and graphics crashes. I'll reboot and try again
[02:59] <Overand> I changed themes, and this new one's 'notification' is apparently making the 'taskbark' thing bold and blinking the border
[02:59] <Overand> ...taskbar?
[02:59] <Overand> Regardless, I'd like to try to ake it more 'obvious' ala the whole thing flashing, etc.  Suggestions?
[03:04] <Overand> Panel notification i guess
[03:19] <Overand> Like... with MurinaStormCloud, pidgin blinks black/white - but with Xfce-cadium, it's like the border blinks.
[04:33] <Brent^> I have a computer that has 128 MB of RAM and it keeps freezing trying to install xubuntu desktop... any way around this?
[04:49] <dthacker> Brent^: regular CD or alternate install CD?
[04:51] <Brent^> BOTH
[04:51] <Brent^> I was gonna give it a try because XP didnt like to work anymore
[04:52] <Brent^> it would never work though because that computers hard drive is almost dead
[05:48] <TeslaTony> KDE has kdesudo, Gnome has gksudo...what's the Xfce version for root in graphical?
[06:00] <b3nw> hi, how does one disable the alt+click = drag window around in xfce4 ?
[06:28] <ere4si> TeslaTony: xfce4 uses gtk so it is gksudo or gksu
[06:40] <TeslaTony> ere4si: Thanks
[06:40] <ere4si> np
[07:38] <Keule> hi there! how many space does xfce need for the installation into a gnome environment?
[07:39] <ere4si> !info xubuntu-desktop
[07:39] <ere4si> Keule: ^^
[07:39] <Keule> ere4si: whats up?
[07:40] <ablomen> 40kb.. that doesnt seem right
[07:40] <Keule> i want to try xfce...
[07:40] <ere4si> Keule: try xubuntu-desktop it will work better
[07:40] <ere4si> !info xfce
[07:41] <ere4si> !info xfce4
[07:41] <Keule> ere4si: okok - but i think its not the whole environment... isnt it?
[07:41] <ere4si> Keule: yes
[07:42] <ere4si> it is
[07:43] <Keule> ok ere4si 190MB for the whole thing
[07:44] <ere4si> Keule: 40mb for xubuntu-desktop that has xfce4 or 48mb for xfce4 on its' own
[07:45] <Keule> xubuntu has a lot of stuff wich is connectet.. and i dont know what is neccessary..
[07:45] <ere4si> Keule: that's why installing xubuntu-desktop is the go - you using ubuntu?
[07:45] <Keule> ere4si: ill try the live cd... i think thats better
[07:46] <Keule> yepp gnome environment
[07:46] <ere4si> Keule: it's your choice - have fun :)
[07:47] <Keule> :) :P thx i have a working system - so.... i dont want to kick it ere4si ... but i have my probs with gnome... and i dont like kde - so... i dont know... but never the less ... thx for your help
[07:48] <ere4si> Keule: that's ok - the xubuntu-desktop package is designed to fit in with ubuntu - it will work fine
[07:49] <Keule> ere4si: thanx - i will keep it in mind :)
[07:49] <ere4si> :)
[07:58] <fiya_werkin> depending on what you don't like about gnome, xubuntu may put you off at first, its customized to look just like it
[07:58] <fiya_werkin> I always get a jolt at first
[08:00] <Keule> fiya_werkin: :)
[08:00] <ere4si> fiya_werkin: they both use gtk so thet'll never look too diff
[08:00] <fiya_werkin> i mean the panels, mostly
[08:00] <Keule> its not the look - its the speed and some things like nautilus i dont really like
[08:01] <Keule> i hope xfce is faster
[08:01] <fiya_werkin> think it depends on your machine really
[08:01] <fiya_werkin> i dont notice much of a difference between all 3
[08:01] <Keule> hmm ok i'll try
[08:01] <ere4si> on any machine xubuntu "should" be faster
[08:02] <fiya_werkin> but with newer machines, 'faster' can be relatively a small matter when even gnome flies
[08:02] <Keule> i thougt it that xfce is faster...
[08:02] <fiya_werkin> generally speaking it is
[08:37] <alado2> has anybody here been able to get voipstunt/voipbuster etc. to work with ubuntu?
[08:44] <WildChild7> alado2: what is voipstunt/voipbuster ?
[08:45] <WildChild7> is this something like IP telephone or similar
[08:45] <alado2> yep, for free
[08:45] <WildChild7> alado2: we are going to get IP telephony now..
[08:45] <WildChild7> and ur saying that every computer can have a telephone or microphone ?
[08:46] <WildChild7> and I can call through computer to any other IP telephone for free ?
[08:46] <alado2> no, to landlines, and of course ip telephones
[08:48] <WildChild7> alado2: I mean, I put my headset on my head and I can call my friend which has IP telephony, but not computer. Only IP telephony... ?
[08:49] <alado2> WildChild7: sure
[08:49] <WildChild7> sexy
[08:49] <WildChild7> alado2: what program do u use ?
[08:49] <WildChild7> skype ?
[08:49] <alado2> sure that woks, isn't free to call though, as i said, voipstunt is
[08:50] <WildChild7> voipstunt is open source ?
[08:50] <alado2> nope, but u can useopensource apps with the voipstunt settings, and thats what im asking about
[08:51] <WildChild7> alado2: ohh
[08:51] <WildChild7> if u find anything helpful share with us :)
[08:56] <TeslaTony> Before I installed xubuntu-desktop, to get to my gui (from tty1, etc), I'd hit ctrl+alt+f7. Now I have to hit ctrl+alt+f9. Are the two related, and should I be concerned?
[08:58] <alado2> WildChild7: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=450394&page=3
[08:58] <alado2> the first post there works
[09:02] <WildChild7> thanx alado2
[11:01] <ochosi> hi, i have a problem with my ipw3945 wireless card suddenly not being detected anymore (says there is no device eth1)
[11:01] <ochosi> still, lspci correctly lists my wifi card
[11:01] <ablomen> ochosi, shouldnt it show up as wlan0 and wmaster0?
[11:02] <ochosi> ablomen, up to now it always has been eth1
[11:02] <ochosi> ablomen: also, wlan0 doesn't exist
[11:02] <ochosi> ablomen: (and wmaster0)
[11:02] <ablomen> ok
[11:02] <ablomen> well i cant help ya, no wifi experience
[11:03] <ochosi> k
[11:03] <ochosi> thx anyway
[11:05] <ochosi> anyone else?
[12:11] <daurnimator> mmm
[12:11] <daurnimator> I can't use my keyboard and my mouse at the same time
[12:11] <daurnimator> any idea why?
[12:12] <ere4si> daurnimator: are they bluetooth?
[12:13] <daurnimator> no
[12:13] <ere4si> daurnimator: sorry - no idea then :)
[12:14] <ere4si> unless it's hardware based
[12:16] <daurnimator> na
[12:16] <daurnimator> its only in linux
[12:16] <daurnimator> and only regular keys
[12:17] <daurnimator> not ctrl, shift etc
[12:17] <daurnimator> definently some setting somewhere no one wants
[12:20] <daurnimator> fixed
[12:20] <daurnimator> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-417089.html
[12:21] <ere4si> daurnimator: well done - google?
[12:21] <daurnimator> yeah
[12:22] <ere4si> +1 google hehe
[12:29] <maiG6etab002> hello
[12:30] <maiG6etab002> when I read the webpage http://www.xubuntu.org/news/hardy/release there is some old? text at the section "PulseAudio" ....
[12:30] <ere4si> hi
[12:31] <maiG6etab002> it says "The release candidate comes preinstalled with the  PulseAudio sound server, ..." only the the RC or allso the final 8.04 ?
[12:31] <ere4si> maiG6etab002: having issues with firefox and another app not playing audio at the same time?
[12:32] <ere4si> maiG6etab002: the final too
[12:32] <maiG6etab002> oh... I havne't downloaded yet :-)
[12:32] <maiG6etab002> I just read up a little while downloading the iso.
[12:32] <ere4si> maiG6etab002: firefox is working on the issue I mentioned
[12:32] <maiG6etab002> aha. ok
[12:33] <ere4si> the final has pulse audio
[12:33] <maiG6etab002> I guess there will be an update for firefox soon then.
[12:34] <ere4si> maiG6etab002: the final for ff3 should be this month
[12:35] <maiG6etab002> some should update the webpage there.. I see that it says "The release candidate includes...." on the kernel section too, and a whole section about bugs in the RC (that probably are fixed now)
[12:35] <maiG6etab002> aha
[12:36] <maiG6etab002> the sound issue, is that in both ff2 and ff3 ?
[12:36] <ere4si> maiG6etab002: just ff3 from what I've heard
[12:37] <maiG6etab002> ok.
[12:39] <maiG6etab002> about firefox, are there any problems or special things I have to do if I want to have both installed? in the next 10 years or so I will probably want to check with both when I do pages. at least.
[13:04] <fiyawerx> maiG6etab002, i have 2 and 3 installed fine
[13:04] <fiyawerx> maiG6etab002, http://browsershots.org/
[13:04] <fiyawerx> all you need for testing pages :)
[13:06] <maiG6etab002> ok
[13:14] <mcisbackuk> Hi can someone help with my 8.04 install please? It appears to have hung at "storing language", I've run tail -f /var/log/syslog to check what its doing, but all I got is "loalechooser: Generating locales...            localechooser:  en_GB.UTF-8..." any idea guys??
[13:16] <mcisbackuk> Its running on a Pentium I 233 with 64 MB RAM, so does anyone have any rough idea how long it will take, unless obviously it HAS hung totally...any help appreciated thanks :)
[13:18] <gNewPower> Hi, I am having a weird problem.  I switched from Ubuntu to Xubuntu (i.e. I am now using XFCE sessions).  Everything works to perfection except that each time I turn to computer on I need to go to Xfce->Settings->Setting Manager and choose "allow xfce to manage my desktop" .  If I do not do this I look my desktop background.  How can I fix this?!  Thanks.
[13:21] <suriro> mcisbackuk: you dont meet min. sys. reqs. for graphical install
[13:22] <mcisbackuk> suriro: I'm using the alternate install....
[13:27] <suriro> mcisbackuk: I suggest you a minimal install, then pull packages via apt-get. But you still dont meet min reqs of xubuntu desktop http://www.xubuntu.org/get
[13:27] <mcisbackuk> suriro: How do I do a minimal install?
[13:28] <maiG6etab002> 64MB should be enough for the alternate cd, even if the graphic card is stealing say 8Mb of that, right?
[13:28] <suriro> http://www.xubuntu.org/get <-- read
[13:29] <mcisbackuk> suriro: If you mean the alternate CD install, thats what I'm using
[13:30] <suriro> So you dont care about this statement: "Once installed, Xubuntu can run with 192 MB RAM, but it is strongly recommended to have at least 256 MB RAM"
[13:31] <mcisbackuk> :| where the hell was that! i must have missed it.........
[13:38] <maiG6etab002> hehe.. yeah when you read it, it is kinda funny. sort of: "you can install this (with the alternate cd) with only 64MB ram, but you can't run it if you have less then 192. (the livecd can be run with 128Mb though)"
[13:40] <maiG6etab002> ok "Xubuntu can run with 192 MB RAM" doesn't really say that it is impossible to run with less than 192 but, it is easy to read it like that :)
[13:57] <soroush> which packages should i install to have an xfce desktop?
[13:58] <soroush> in ubuntu for sure
[14:04] <jimmy51vinsky> xubuntu-desktop
[14:04] <jimmy51vinsky> soroush: xubuntu-desktop
[14:06] <jimmy51vinsky> so, apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[14:15]  * soroush is installing xubuntu-desktop
[14:30] <tunnelblick> what does "iwconfig"?
[14:30] <tunnelblick> forget it
[14:30] <tunnelblick> ^^
[14:30] <fiyawerx> wireless
[14:30] <tunnelblick> i was reading an old post...
[14:30] <tunnelblick> *sigh*
[14:56] <abdorez1> hi
[14:56] <abdorez1> can you help me?
[14:56] <abdorez1> i cant install driver vga card
[14:57] <abdorez1> soroush: salam
[14:57] <abdorez1> soroush: hi
[17:15] <roymustang_> hello!!!
[17:15] <zoredache> !hi
[17:20] <roymustang_> wiiii i've configured my keyboard!!!
[17:20] <roymustang_> quiestion: can i use apt-get to install Opera Browser?
[17:21] <zoredache> if you add a non-default repository I believe so
[17:21] <zoredache> !opera | roymustang_
[17:22] <roymustang_> thanks! zoredache
[18:05] <roymustang_> !mp3
[18:06] <jimmy51vinsky> when i try to run vnc config, i get an error saying "error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3"
[18:07] <jimmy51vinsky> apt-file doesn't show that file in any package.... what should i do?
[19:41] <Ultraputz> is there anything i should know about enabled extended attributes on xu/hardy with the encrypted disc feature>?
[19:43] <zoredache> are you talking about the filesystem extended attributes?
[19:43] <zoredache> it doesn't seem like filesystem level stuff would have anything to do with dm-crypt
[19:46] <Ultraputz> i wasn't sure -- i was hoping to put beagle to work w/o sqlite
[19:46] <Ultraputz> sez turn on extended attributes to do that, just wondered if there were any caveats.
[20:34] <apgob> > how come when i do sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras i get: "Couldn't find package xubuntu-restricted-extras?
[20:34] <apgob> i cant install xchat etc either it says couldnt find package
[20:40] <apgob> anyone here
[20:45] <zoredache> apgob: yes, it is just a very quiet channel
[20:45] <zoredache> anyway do you have the universe/multiverse repositories enabled?
[20:47] <apgob> zoredache i m not sure i dont think so here is my sources list:
[20:47] <apgob> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10594
[20:57] <apgob> zoredache u there
[21:07] <zoredache> I am only half here
[21:09] <WildChild7> hello there
[21:09] <WildChild7> I've installed xubuntu on my box
[21:09] <WildChild7> where can I change resolution ?
[21:09] <zoredache> apgob: this is what I have - http://paste.ubuntu.com/10600/ - make sure you run 'sudo apt-get update' after you make changes to the sources.list
[21:10] <zoredache> WildChild7: maybe try running gksu displayconfig-gtk
[21:13] <WildChild7> hm
[21:13] <WildChild7> strange
[21:13] <WildChild7> I have 17" monitor but there is no option for 1024*768 resolution
[21:14] <kdt> can anyone tell me what the equivelent of "sessions" in ubuntu is in xubuntu? I want to run a program at startup
[21:14] <TheSheep> WildChild7: maybe it's autodetected bad, try setting the refresh rates manually
[21:14] <apgob> ~[ zoredache ]~ Can't open file to write
[21:14] <TheSheep> kdt: settings->setting manager->autostarted apps
[21:15] <kdt> :-D thanks thesheep, been looking all over
[21:15] <WildChild7> TheSheep: and buy manually u mean with xorg.conf ?
[21:15] <TheSheep> WildChild7: yes, you can also use the wizard with 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[21:16] <TheSheep> WildChild7: also, make sure you use the right driver for your card, not the 'vesa' fallback one
[21:16] <WildChild7> TheSheep: I have sis card integrated
[21:16] <WildChild7> some old graphic card
[21:19] <WildChild7> oh
[21:19] <WildChild7> I'm trying to watch videos on youtube
[21:19] <WildChild7> and it points me to adobe flash player and there I can choose .tar .yum .rpm
[21:20] <WildChild7> what should I donwload ?
[21:20] <zoredache> you probably should install the flash player from the repository
[21:20] <WildChild7> zoredache: what's the package name ?
[21:21] <WildChild7> so I won't have to update it manually
[21:21] <zoredache> flashplugin-nonfree or if you want to get all the common non-free stuff get  xubuntu-restricted-extras
[21:21] <TheSheep> flahplayer-nonfree
[21:21] <TheSheep> flashplayer-nonfree
[21:21] <TheSheep> ah
[21:21] <TheSheep> sorry
[21:22] <WildChild7> hm
[21:22] <WildChild7> interesting
[21:22] <WildChild7> I have no driver selected for my sis card
[21:22] <WildChild7> so can I choose sis from the list?
[21:27] <WildChild7> Is there a package for skype for xubuntu ?
[21:27] <WildChild7> for 8.04
[21:29] <TheSheep> WildChild7: probably in the partners repository
[21:30] <WildChild7> TheSheep: Ok. I'll try
[21:30] <WildChild7> don't know why update is taking so long
[21:30] <crimsun> because the main archive is broken.
[21:30] <crimsun> try using another mirror in your country code
[21:31] <crimsun> (unless you're in the USA, in which case you'll want to try gb.archive.ubuntu.com)
[21:31] <WildChild7> crimsun: I'm in slovenia, but server is located in GB
[21:31] <Myrtti> !repomirror
[21:31] <WildChild7> erm..
[21:31] <WildChild7> can't see any system :D
[21:31] <Myrtti> that's for gnome
[21:32] <WildChild7> yep
[21:32] <Myrtti> but applications - system - software sources
[21:37] <WildChild7> thanx
[21:37] <WildChild7> oh is there any music program installed by default in xubuntu ?
[21:37] <WildChild7> for listening the music ?
[21:39] <TheSheep> WildChild7: no, just totem
[21:39] <TheSheep> WildChild7: it will play audio files, although technically it's a movie player
[21:40] <TheSheep> WildChild7: there is a large number of audio players available though
[21:41] <WildChild7> TheSheep: What is the leightest for xfc ?
[21:41] <WildChild7> TheSheep: leightweight*
[21:41] <TheSheep> WildChild7: if you liked the classic winamp, then you will enjoy audacious
[21:42] <WildChild7> TheSheep: I'm set up ing xubuntu for my sister :)
[21:42] <WildChild7> I need to make it as automaticaly as I can
[21:43] <TheSheep> WildChild7: don't underestimate her leet skillz ;)
[21:43] <WildChild7> shee needs skype, youtube, audacious, of caurse writer and codecs for movies, and transmission for torrents
[21:44] <WildChild7> TheSheep: yea well.. I'll try but sis graphic card is making some problems..
[21:50] <WildChild7> arh no skype package name in partner repository
[21:50] <ere4si> I think it is in medibuntu
[21:51] <ere4si> !medibuntu
[21:51] <WildChild7> ere4si: let me check so I can comment back partners repos yes ?
[21:52] <ere4si> k
[21:57] <WildChild7> works
[21:57] <WildChild7> now..
[21:57] <WildChild7> How can I configure my sis graphic card so there will be actual driver for it :D
[21:57] <ere4si> WildChild7: :)
[21:58] <ere4si> WildChild7: which sis card? - there isn't great support for sis
[21:59] <WildChild7> ere4si: at lest so much support that sister can watch movies and youtube flash movies
[21:59] <WildChild7> 2d would be great :D
[22:00] <WildChild7> ere4si: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 630/730 PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter (rev 21)
[22:00] <WildChild7> ere4si: don't know if it's 630 ir 730
[22:00] <WildChild7> ir==or
[22:00] <ere4si> WildChild7: I can do that with my sis card - that should be supported ok
[22:01] <WildChild7> ere4si: when I run gksu displayconfig-gtk tehre is no driver enabled for my card, But it says that my card is sis 630
[22:02] <ere4si> WildChild7: the way they do the graphics cards in hardy has changed - I don't know how to work it yet - maybe someone else can chime in
[22:04] <TheSheep> ere4si: what changed?
[22:05] <ere4si> TheSheep: used to be able to run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but now that doesn't give an option for the vid card
[22:07] <WildChild7> let me try smth
[22:12] <WildChild7> omg
[22:13] <TheSheep> ere4si: it doesn't? what about with -p0 ?
[22:13] <WildChild7> I choose manually dirver by model and now I'm running in 640x300 o_O
[22:13] <thegreyspot> How can I have ubuntu items in xubuntu?
[22:14] <thegreyspot> (menu Items) like networkmanager
[22:14] <ere4si> TheSheep: haven't tried it with that - if it needs that somethings changed then...?
[22:16] <thegreyspot> ?
[22:18] <TheSheep> thegreyspot: isn't it displayed in the system menu?
[22:19] <WildChild7> ere4si: any clue of how can I get my resolution to 1024x768
[22:19] <thegreyspot> no it is. But all the menu items like networkmagaer, or shutdown. is there.
[22:19] <WildChild7> looks like sis drivers are even more broken that default one
[22:20] <thegreyspot> I think they are called items?
[22:21] <ere4si> WildChild7: try editing the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf and manually adding the resolutions there - I haven't had much luck with the way the graphics are now...
[22:23] <WildChild7> ere4si: well a Älittle problem ther. By default in xorg.conf there is no resolutions what's so ever :S
[22:23] <WildChild7> where is normally put 1024*768
[22:24] <TheSheep> WildChild7: it's normally detected automatically based on your graphics cards, amunt of memory on it and your monitor
[22:24] <thegreyspot> Any ideas?
[22:25] <ere4si> WildChild7: see why I have probs... - don't know how it works anymore - sorry
[22:27] <WildChild7> ere4si: that's strange :S
[22:27] <WildChild7> TheSheep: how can I check how much ram has graphic card ?
[22:27] <ere4si> WildChild7: xorg.conf has always shown resolutions but now it mostly doesn't
[22:29] <TheSheep> WildChild7: you can examine the /var/log/xorg.0.log to see the whole detecting process
[22:29] <WildChild7> TheSheep: it is 64MB of ram... I think that's for more than just 1024*768...
[22:30] <WildChild7> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SiS_630/730
[22:30] <WildChild7> TheSheep: what's the name of editor default in xubuntu for txt
[22:31] <chronitis> mousepad
[22:31] <WildChild7> TheSheep: hm I've looked into it but it's empty
[22:32] <TheSheep> WildChild7: maybe I got the file name wrong
[22:33] <TheSheep> Xorg.0.log
[22:33] <TheSheep> with capital X
[22:33] <WildChild7> damn it. This graphic card has even 3d support!
[22:33] <WildChild7> TheSheep: lemme check
[22:35] <WildChild7> TheSheep: what am I looking for exactly. http://pastebin.ca/1009788  this is the Xorg.0.log
[22:37] <TheSheep> look at around line 360
[22:37] <TheSheep> it's not using these modes because it thinks your monitor cannot support it
[22:37] <apgob> hey when i apt install something it says "Waiting for headers" and takes ages befoer it continues why is it so slow?
[22:38] <TheSheep> WildChild7: set the hsync and vrefresh in your monitor section of xorg.conf to values apropraite for your monitor screen
[22:40] <ere4si> apgob: it is making the internet connection - with a new release and updates it will be slow for a while :) - he left...
[22:41] <Daftpunk> Hi there
[22:41] <ere4si> hi
[22:42] <thegreyspot> Can some help me get items for the Menu bar on top. ones like in ubuntu. Networkmanager sound Shutdown etc...
[22:43] <Daftpunk> it's very quiet here
[22:43] <ere4si> thegreyspot: right click the panel and select add
[22:43] <Daftpunk> Is there anybody here who is not a newbie looking for help? :D
[22:44] <groundzer0> yes me
[22:44] <thegreyspot> Ya and whats there? NOTHING!
[22:44] <Daftpunk> lol j/k
[22:44] <groundzer0> After this operation, 20.3MB of additional disk space will be used.
[22:44] <groundzer0> Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y
[22:44] <groundzer0> 0% [Waiting for headers]
[22:44] <Daftpunk> cause I am
[22:44] <groundzer0> takes a long time after that -- Why?
[22:44] <thegreyspot> Are you telling me that if i want to shutdown my computer I have to log out first?
[22:44] <groundzer0> that's for anything i try to do
[22:44] <Daftpunk> Just installed xubuntu and I am a bit lost for the mo
[22:44] <thegreyspot> If i want to find out my IP address I have to got to network tools in system?
[22:44] <ere4si> thegreyspot: you get nothing - a list should pop up starting with "launcher"
[22:45] <thegreyspot> Ya but there only about 10 items with nothing I want. Ubuntu has better one right? or am I wrong?
[22:45] <Daftpunk> Does anybody know if there is Zend studio for linux?
[22:45] <ere4si> groundzer0: it will be like that - everyones updating atm
[22:45] <WildChild7> TheSheep: can u paste your xorg.conf.. don't know the syntax of setting hsync
[22:46] <groundzer0> groundzer0, what do you mean, when will it be 'normal'
[22:46] <WildChild7> or anyone else if it has in xorg.conf hsync and vrefresh
[22:46] <groundzer0> ere4si, when will it begin to calm down
[22:47] <ere4si> groundzer0: I have no idea - soon is the best I could offer
[22:47] <WildChild7> nevermind I found one
[22:47] <ere4si> groundzer0: I'm updating atm with d/load at 15kb/s...
[22:48] <groundzer0> ere4si,  what u updating
[22:48] <thegreyspot> Some one once told me that I could install ubuntu items. Is that true?
[22:48] <ere4si> thegreyspot: you can search for plugins in synaptic
[22:49] <ere4si> groundzer0: hardy - some updates have come out recently
[22:49] <groundzer0> ere4si,  can you be more specific, which ones
[22:50] <ere4si> groundzer0: nope - there were 115 of them - I haven't updated for a while
[22:50] <TheSheep> thegreyspot: you mean the panel applets?
[22:50] <groundzer0> ere4si, wow i just got about 25.
[22:50] <thegreyspot> Yes thats right the sheep
[22:50] <ere4si> groundzer0: I haven't been using my hardy box alot lately
[22:50] <groundzer0> ere4si,  whats ur other box
[22:51] <thegreyspot> TheSheep:I believe so...
[22:51] <TheSheep> thegreyspot: you need to install them, then you can insert them in your xfce panle by using the xfce4-xfapplet-plugin
[22:51] <groundzer0> ere4si, i'm updating right now @ 25kb/sec :(:(:(
[22:51] <ere4si> groundzer0: I have a "testing" box with hardy - the others run dapper server with fluxbox and apps
[22:51] <TheSheep> (you need to install that too)
[22:52] <groundzer0> ere4si,  nice -- anyways i'll be going now. See ya around.
[22:52] <ere4si> groundzer0: bye
[22:52] <thegreyspot> Ok TheSheep and ere4si I will do so
[22:52] <thegreyspot> bye-bye
[22:54] <ere4si> thegreyspot: bye and good luck
[23:03] <maiG6etab002> hello/good evening
[23:03] <maiG6etab002> what is the little small white ring that is to the right of the icon in the titlebar of windows?
[23:04] <WildChild7> does the tube size means: inches ? like 17"
[23:05] <Daftpunk> ﻿maiG6etab002 lol I would like to know that as well
[23:05] <ere4si> WildChild7: I would think it would
[23:05] <maiG6etab002> I assume that the window will not get circular when I press it :-O
[23:05] <maiG6etab002> :-)
[23:06] <ere4si> maiG6etab002: if you click it it will put the window on all workspaces
[23:06] <ere4si> try it :)
[23:06] <maiG6etab002> aha! ok
[23:06] <Daftpunk> alright
[23:06] <Daftpunk> lookin good
[23:07] <maiG6etab002> (no I haven't finishing downloading of the iso yet, I'm still just looking at screenshots)
[23:07] <Daftpunk> ﻿ere4si I downloaded  mozilla sunbird but there was just a folder
[23:07] <WildChild7> I only know about my monitor, that it's 17" and it writes on it: ADI microscan. So how can I get info about hsync and vrefresh if on this page: http://www.monitorworld.com/Monitors/adi/  says that my monitor woold be ADI microscan something.
[23:08] <Daftpunk> I cant run anything, how can I install it.
[23:08] <ere4si> Daftpunk: I don't know about sunbird sorry - what is it?
[23:09] <Daftpunk> ere4si calendar and organizer from mozilla
[23:09] <sjefen6> Hi. I am installing Wine to try and run games on it, but I am unable to get it to create the .wine directory structure in my home folder. What am I doing wrong?
[23:09] <maiG6etab002> WildChild7: normally there is more info on the back of the monitor too... what model etc, if the software can't find out by asking it.....
[23:10] <Daftpunk> sjefen6 I especially installed xubuntu to run away from games, and youre telling me you can play on this system :D?
[23:10] <maiG6etab002> yeees.
[23:10] <sjefen6> hehe, yes :P
[23:11] <ere4si> sjefen6: for wine help you might need to ask in #winehq
[23:11] <sjefen6> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WorldofWarcraft
[23:11] <sjefen6> oki, thanks ;)
[23:11] <ere4si> np
[23:11] <maiG6etab002> Daftpunk: there goes all the productivity you dreamt about, eh ? ;-)
[23:11] <Daftpunk> lol
[23:11] <Daftpunk> WOW on linux
[23:12] <Daftpunk> so the world has come to an end after all
[23:12] <ere4si> Daftpunk: is there a readme in the sunbird folder?
[23:12] <maiG6etab002> if you start playing wow, you quickly get dependent on it you know. just like other drugs :-)
[23:13] <Daftpunk> yeah but it just says to go to their web site where i downloaded it
[23:13] <Daftpunk> there is sunbird-bin
[23:13] <ere4si> Daftpunk: got a link?
[23:13] <Daftpunk> For information about installing, running and configuring Sunbird
[23:13] <Daftpunk> including a list of known issues and troubleshooting information,
[23:13] <Daftpunk> refer to: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/
[23:14] <Daftpunk> all this was in the readme
[23:14] <maiG6etab002> about wow... isn't it possible to play wow for free just a day or so (without saving your person etc) ?
[23:14] <Daftpunk> ﻿maiG6etab002 I know the games are after me
[23:14] <maiG6etab002> :-D
[23:15] <Daftpunk> ﻿maiG6etab002 the only solution will be probably to downgrade my computer
[23:15] <Daftpunk> ﻿maiG6etab002 so I cant play it.
[23:16] <ere4si> Daftpunk: did you do this? - Build Sunbird
[23:16] <ere4si>    1.
[23:16] <ere4si>       Add the following line to your .mozconfig
[23:16] <ere4si>       . $topsrcdir/calendar/sunbird/config/mozconfig
[23:16] <ere4si>    2. Build as per the instructions on the Mozilla build pages.
[23:16] <ere4si>    3.
[23:16] <ere4si>       Once that's done you can run Sunbird by executing
[23:16] <ere4si>       dist/bin/sunbird
[23:16] <zoredache> !pastebin
[23:17] <Daftpunk> oh ok
[23:17] <Daftpunk> I will try it
[23:17] <maiG6etab002> Daftpunk: hehehe... I did had kinda drug-relation to SimCity back then.... you know when we used 386's with 320x200 ega.... you can't escape games by downgrading......
[23:18] <ere4si> Daftpunk: from this page - http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/sunbird/build.html
[23:18] <maiG6etab002> and there is allways mud....
[23:18] <Daftpunk> thanks ere4si
[23:18] <ere4si> k
[23:19] <Daftpunk> Is open office good app?
[23:19] <Daftpunk> Iam just installing it
[23:19] <zoredache> it is useful for some things
[23:19] <zoredache> I wouldn't use it as a programming editor though...
[23:19] <Daftpunk> how is it compared to MS office?
[23:20] <maiG6etab002> nooohh... it is a huge memory and disk eating monster.
[23:20] <Daftpunk> zoredache and what do you use for programming editor? I am looking for something like Zend studio
[23:20] <maiG6etab002> Daftpunk: that depends of wich version of ms office you compare with. Word2.0 was nice....
[23:21] <Daftpunk> lol
[23:21] <zoredache> Daftpunk: it is somewhat kinda useful as an ms office replacement... Of course I hate MS office so something that is similar doesn't impress me
[23:21] <zoredache> Daftpunk: scite
[23:21] <zoredache> or vi/gvim
[23:21] <Daftpunk> will check them
[23:21] <Daftpunk> thanks
[23:22] <Daftpunk> ﻿zoredache but its usefull when you need to write something
[23:23] <zoredache> if you don't need a heavily formated document abiword is usually good enough if you need to write something
[23:23] <Daftpunk> I am installing soft for couple of hours now. How can I check drive space?
[23:23] <zoredache> When I have a complex document I like to go to html.  Other people like things like latex
[23:23] <Daftpunk> Does any1 know please?
[23:23] <maiG6etab002> how come the text editor in xubuntu is called *mouse*-pad?
[23:24] <zoredache> Daftpunk: 'du' a terminal
[23:24] <ere4si> Daftpunk: I use   df -h
[23:24] <zoredache> maiG6etab002: the Xubuntu mascot is a rat isn't it?
[23:24] <maiG6etab002> oh!
[23:24] <zoredache> or xfce mascot rather
[23:24] <maiG6etab002> I should have thought of that
[23:25] <Daftpunk> lovely thanks
[23:25] <Daftpunk> is there like a help in terminal with the list of all commands?
[23:26] <Daftpunk> ﻿maiG6etab002 and what is the difference between ubuntu a xubuntu?
[23:26] <zoredache> !cli | Daftpunk
[23:26] <Daftpunk> ok thanks
[23:26] <zoredache> Daftpunk: I also really like learning_the_shell.php
[23:27] <maiG6etab002> hmm... if you go to https://launchpad.net/fluxbuntu and click [List all packages] shouldn't it list everything that is installed when you install xubuntu?   - the page is empty :-/
[23:27] <zoredache> but the short answer is no.  There is single reference or no help that will list everything you can do at the command line.
[23:27] <maiG6etab002> oh.. sorry, wrong window
[23:28] <maiG6etab002> (but are there a similar page for xubuntu perhaps?)
[23:29] <zoredache> ack
[23:30] <maiG6etab002> if you ask a true unix person he whould say you can do *everything* at the command line. including painting ;-)
[23:33] <Daftpunk> Does anybody here have an EEE PC?
[23:33] <Daftpunk> from Asus?
[23:36] <WildChild7> maiG6etab002: There is some info. And there is Model No. VD-697 I can't find any adi microscan with that model :S
[23:41] <ere4si> WildChild7: lists it here - http://www.tradeloop.com/m/products/product_detail.cfm?cat=109%7C72%7C276