[00:02] <JontheEchidna> I can't install the latest amarok-nightly update
[00:03] <JontheEchidna>  trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/amarok-nightly-vars', which is also in package amarok-nightly
[00:18] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: known
[00:18] <Nightrose> should be fixed already
[00:18] <Nightrose> just wait for the next build
[00:19] <Nightrose> and #amarok is more likely to help you with this in the future ;-)
[00:19] <JontheEchidna> oh, ok. :)
[00:59] <jayman20086> have found some bugs in kde for laptops
[01:00] <jayman20086> where should i report them other than launchpad
[01:00] <jayman20086> i can help solve it to
[01:05] <Riddell> cuteness! http://www.flickr.com/photos/jriddell/2471653827/in/set-72157604920245386/
[01:10] <seele> are those all yours?
[01:12] <Riddell> not if someone else wants them
[01:12] <seele> but they are if you dont get rid of them?
[01:13]  * seele wonders how many cats you have to have to become a cat lady/guy
[01:14] <Riddell> if you want one, I can bring one to prague
[01:14] <seele> no way.. i hate cats
[01:14] <Riddell> shouldn't be too hard to forge the passport paperwork
[01:14] <Riddell> but look at his eyes! http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2364/2472471782_76c3431da7_b.jpg
[01:14] <claydoh> I think the rule of thumb is more than 4, at least to my wife :)
[01:14] <Riddell> who could say no to them?
[01:14] <claydoh> she is an adoption counselor at our local Humane Society
[01:15] <Jucato> aw! so cute :)
[01:15] <claydoh> kittens are awesome
[01:15] <seele> bah
[01:15] <seele> devil eyes them are
[01:15] <seele> all cute and fluff until they tear something to shreds
[01:16] <seele> dogs are so much better anyway
[01:16] <Jucato> claydoh: aren't you a dog guy? O.o
[01:16] <claydoh> lol I agree (have 3) untlm they are the ones shredding :)
[01:18]  * claydoh 's place is dog-proofed, mostly
[01:18] <claydoh> and our 1 cat happens to be the boss
[01:19] <Jucato> hahah!
[01:19]  * Jucato loves cats, but can't have one... would love to fly to prague to get one from Riddell, though :)
[01:19] <claydoh> he is bigger than our terrier, almost as bg as our mutt
[01:20] <seele> Jucato: he could probably ship it to you.. just needs to poke some airholes in the box :P
[01:20] <Jucato> :D
[01:20] <jjesse> morning Jucato
[01:20] <Jucato> claydoh: you have a panther/leopard/tiger? :)
[01:20] <Jucato> jjesse!!!!!!!!! :)
[01:20] <jjesse> :)
[01:20] <Jucato> (unless you meant to greet jussi01/jussio1)
[01:21] <Jucato> breakfast!! :P
[01:21] <claydoh> Jucato: he is part Maine Coon Cat, pretty big
[01:22] <Riddell> Jucato: yes http://picasaweb.google.com/riddell/Tiger/photo#5052914521975932178
[01:22] <jjesse> nice tiger, what's his/her name?
[01:23] <Riddell> dunno, he died shortly after that
[01:23] <Jucato> aw :(
[01:26] <jjesse> hrmm i see i'm on the attendee list for UDS for some reason
[01:29] <Riddell> jjesse: quick, book now!
[01:29] <Riddell> where's this list?
[01:29] <jjesse> Riddell: the list of roomates jorge sent out
[01:29] <jjesse> Riddell: would love to book, but wife would kill me
[01:30] <Riddell> you're down as Declined on the list I can see
[01:30] <Riddell> it's possible he means jpatrick, is he listed?
[01:30] <jjesse> that's what i thought, but i received an email from someone asking if he could switch to be my roomate
[01:30] <jjesse> haven'
[01:30] <jjesse> haven't had a chance to look at the list yet
[01:37] <jjesse> hrmm accoridng to the list i'm rooming with jonathan patrick davies
[01:37] <jjesse> that's funny :)
[01:56] <yuriy> kittens!!
[02:10] <Jucato> claydoh: ooh I just saw the maine coon cat... although I generally dislike extremely hairy/furry cats (I don't like Persians), I think I can make an exception for this one :)
[02:17] <Jucato> poor tigger :(
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> someone ported guidance-poer-manager to kde4?
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> don't know what I always drop that w
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> *why
[02:40] <Jucato> poor-manager seems about right :)
[02:40] <Jucato> :D
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> ok, I give up... good night
[02:41] <Jucato> good night nosrednaekim :)
[02:41] <nosrednaekim> JK....
[02:41] <nosrednaekim> my typing is always bad
[04:43] <NewBerner> been using kubuntu for a few versions now and want to help. tried packaging while back and couldnt get hang of it. :(
[04:47]  * dAsKrEEcH hugs NewBerner 
[04:48] <NewBerner> the packaging/merge faqs seem to be written for ppeople who already have some clue to how it all works
[04:49] <NewBerner> maybe bug triage would be a better start?
[04:50] <yuriy> NewBerner: if you don't code, bug triage would be a good start
[04:51] <NewBerner> i code in vis basic which aint much good here.
[04:52] <nixternal> oi oi
[04:54] <dAsKrEEcH> no nixternal he means well! He was being honest
[04:54] <dAsKrEEcH> assuming that NewBerner is a he :)
[04:55] <yuriy> I haven't been keeping up over the past week, so there's certainly some catching up to do: http://tinyurl.com/4mra4d
[04:55] <yuriy> (blame the bot, btw)
[04:55] <NewBerner> ya, vb pays the bills.
[04:56] <dAsKrEEcH> But yet can't buy Yahoo :(
[04:56] <yuriy> dAsKrEEcH: why :( ?
[04:57] <dAsKrEEcH> yuriy: Hmm?
[04:57]  * dAsKrEEcH takes a big swig
[04:58] <NewBerner> late here - check out bug triage later this week. thanks
[04:58] <dAsKrEEcH> 5 a day!
[05:04] <nixternal> heh, I gave another Kubuntu/KDE 4 talk tonight to a bunch of gnomeites
[05:05] <yuriy> and?
[05:11] <nixternal> I asked how many were going to switch when KDE 4.1 came out
[05:12] <nixternal> nobody raised their hands, so I said "well, keep on enjoying the 1980s and maybe we will see you soon back here on earth" :p
[05:12] <nixternal> they got a good laugh...one or two installed the KUbuntu KDE 4 Remix side by side
[05:14] <dAsKrEEcH> Ah nixternal Always a good ambassador
[05:15]  * dAsKrEEcH hums Planet Planet Planet Gnome
[05:15] <nixternal> I am giving a "get involved in Kubuntu" talk either this weekend or next week
[05:17] <dAsKrEEcH> Aren't they curenntly in talks to revamp GTK+ ?
[05:17] <nixternal> yes, Gtk+ 3
[05:17] <nixternal> I am also working with gnome-do devs here soon on creating a platform neutral backend
[05:18] <nixternal> so is Mez I think :)
[05:18] <nixternal> if not, we talked about him last week in Michigan
[05:21] <yuriy> revamp it with an object oriented language? (and not C#?)
[05:24] <nixternal> yes
[05:24] <nixternal> something neutral, possibly Python
[05:26] <yuriy> umm... that would suck. why would you implement toolkit in a scripting language?
[05:30] <nixternal> well, I don't know how interested they are in C++ for one
[05:34] <dAsKrEEcH> #define .c .cpp
[08:20]  * Serega yaws "morning, fellows"
[08:21] <Riddell> morning
[08:21] <smarter> morning :)
[08:21] <Serega> what is the homepage for the gdebi-kde4? https://launchpad.net/gdebi ?
[08:22] <Riddell> yes
[08:22] <smarter> Riddell: have you had time to review my desktop-effects-kde bugfixes?
[08:22]  * Serega closes his eyes: "pykde is sweeet...."
[08:23] <Riddell> smarter: seemed all sensible from the changelog
[08:24] <smarter> great
[08:24] <smarter> could it be possible to backport it?
[08:24] <Riddell> would need to be uploaded to intrepid first
[08:26] <Serega> Riddell: Jon, KAdoutData of PyKDE4 requires using of ki18n, should we use it instead of the gettext?
[08:27] <Riddell> Serega: yes
[08:27] <nixternal> mornin' Riddell
[08:27] <Serega> kool
[08:27] <Serega> morning nixternal
[08:28] <nixternal> hehe, I haven't gone to bed yet, but it is 02:28
[08:28] <Serega> well... it's VERY early morning :)
[09:14] <Tonio_> hi there
[09:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: may I contact pardus now concerning their admin tools or do you prefer that we discuss this in the uds before asking them their feeling about that ?
[10:07] <smarter> Tonio_: are pardus tools in Qt4?
[10:14] <Serega_> KCmdLineArgs.usage('error message') doesnt print 'error message' does anybody know why?
[10:31] <Serega> haha, pykdedocs splash is wonderful :)
[10:38] <Riddell> Tonio_: go ahead, but they're not much use as KDE 3 tools
[11:20] <Nightrose> awwwww the kittens = pure cuteness
[11:20] <Nightrose> hope you'll find a nice home for them
[12:03] <smarter> Nightrose: maybe we should use the kittens pic as the default wallpaper for 8.10? (:
[12:04] <Nightrose> smarter: haha yea
[12:10] <Serega> argh... hot do perform this: i18n("some txt: %s") % some_txt ?
[12:10] <Serega> TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for %: 'QString' and 'str'
[12:11] <Serega> s/hot do/how to/ :)
[12:21] <\sh> serega: try str(some_txt) ... qstring should give you a unicode string
[12:45] <jdavies> Riddell: I was going to be jjesse's rommie, but can't come
[13:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: they probably consider switching to kde4
[13:12] <Nightrose> apachelogger: http://commit-digest.org/issues/2008-04-20/moreinfo/798338/ <- that might have been my problem - think this can be backported?
[13:34] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I hope that is already backported
[13:34] <Nightrose> I will check
[13:34] <apachelogger> Nightrose: and that defenitely is worth a security fix
[13:34] <apachelogger> plz poke Riddell
[13:34] <Nightrose> k
[13:34] <Riddell> hmm?
[13:34] <Nightrose> Riddell: http://commit-digest.org/issues/2008-04-20/moreinfo/798338/
[13:34] <apachelogger> "Fix for a dangerous bug which can lead to crash or remote DoS of Kopete when a Jabber contact has '#' in Jabber client name or version returned in Disco response."
[13:34] <Riddell> Tonio_: they?
[13:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: pardus team
[13:37] <Riddell> apachelogger: I wonder if that should be a security update
[13:37] <Nightrose> 143419 < apachelogger> Nightrose: and that defenitely is worth a security fix
[13:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: I don't really know what qualifies for a security update
[13:38] <Riddell> you're ahead of me :)
[13:38] <Nightrose> ;-)
[13:38] <apachelogger> but a remote DoS isn't exactly a good thing
[13:40] <seele> is it just me, or does hardy seem slower than gutsy?
[13:40] <seele> my harddrive seems to always be churning
[13:42] <gnomefreak> seele: using firefox?
[13:42] <gnomefreak> i ask because that is a firefox bug that was just patched upstream
[13:46] <seele> gnomefreak: ah hah.. should have known
[13:46] <seele> whose idea was it to ship a beta product in a release anyway?
[13:46] <seele> did firefox give ubuntu money or something?
[13:47] <gnomefreak> seele: firefox-2 will be EOS before HArdy EOS so we took the better of the 2 evils
[13:48] <seele> wow.. they didn't leave much transition room, did they
[13:48] <gnomefreak> nope
[13:48]  * apachelogger whould apply different priorities
[13:49] <gnomefreak> firefox releases are 12-15 month support IIRC
[13:49] <gnomefreak> thats why you never see firefox 2.0.0.20 :)
[13:53] <Riddell> who's on hardy? testers needed for 4.0.4 in -backports
[13:53] <Nightrose> o/
[13:54] <Nightrose> updating already
[13:54] <jjesse> i am
[13:54] <Riddell> Nightrose: that jabber bug, it causes a crash on you?
[13:54] <jjesse> what do i need to do/
[13:54] <Nightrose> Riddell: yea a lot
[13:54] <Nightrose> Riddell: i actually think danimo is causing it ;-)
[13:54] <Nightrose> but i am not sure as i have a lot of jabber contacts
[13:55] <Nightrose> I am trying to find out who it is for two weeks now
[13:55] <\sh> apachelogger, is there a CVE pending for it?
[13:55] <jtechidna> Most of the 4.0.4 packages aren't ready yet here.
[13:56] <apachelogger> \sh: don't know, but probably not
[13:56] <jtechidna> But stress test them when I can update.
[13:56] <jtechidna> *I'll stress test them
[13:57] <\sh> apachelogger, if it's really a serious DoS...then there should be a CVE from the kopete team..
[13:57] <\sh> or from the reporter
[13:57] <\sh> anyways...talk to kees/jdstrand to get that handled...
[13:57] <apachelogger> \sh: #kopete
[13:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: ^
[13:57] <\sh> apachelogger, prepare a package, and fix it as security bugfix
[13:58] <\sh> is kopete in kdenetwork or a single source package? ;)
[13:58] <apachelogger> in kdenetwork
[13:58]  * apachelogger doesn't have time to prepare the package
[13:58] <\sh> hooray for buggy software in kde base packages
[13:58] <Riddell> apachelogger: done
[14:01] <\sh> apachelogger, does it do any other harm then crashing kopete? e.g. sending with the malformed package some randomg rm code? ,-)
[14:01] <jjesse> Riddell: did you need testing help?
[14:01] <Riddell> jjesse: install kubuntu-desktop-kde4 and dist-upgrade with backports enabled
[14:02] <jtechidna> oh cool, a different mirror has the 4.04 packages
[14:02] <jjesse> ok already have kubuntu-desktop-kde4 installed so i will dis-tupgrade
[14:08] <Riddell> hrm, kwin didn't start for me on login
[14:09] <jjesse> thats no good
[14:09]  * stdin thought it was kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[14:09] <jjesse> Riddell: dist-upgrading right now
[14:09] <Riddell> stdin: it is
[14:17] <jjesse> that's wierd my shift and ctrl keys stopped working
[14:17] <jjesse> work in my vm but not in the host
[14:17] <Nightrose> hmm Riddell fixed your kwin problem? i updated everything and am ready to reboot but...
[14:18] <\sh> jjesse, vmware?
[14:18] <Riddell> Nightrose: I managed to run it from alt-f2
[14:18] <jjesse> in vmware the shift and control are working
[14:18] <Nightrose> k
[14:18] <jjesse> in kubuntu they are not working
[14:19] <\sh> jjesse, which version of vmware (client version)
[14:19] <Nightrose> I'll give it a shot and reboot then
[14:19] <\sh> jjesse, this happens with compiz or metacity too
[14:19] <jjesse> vmware server works
[14:19] <jjesse> random stopping of the ctrl and shift keys/
[14:19] <jjesse> question mark
[14:19] <\sh> jjesse, it's a problem with the vmware client
[14:19] <jjesse> ah
[14:19] <\sh> jjesse, which fcks up the special keys on the host...doesn#t matter what WM
[14:20] <\sh> jjesse, vmware client 1.0.5 helped
[14:20] <jjesse> ah ok will have to install that then
[14:27] <Nightrose> Riddell: seems fine so far here - going to do some testing
[14:28] <Riddell> great
[14:28] <jjesse> ok installed backports brb with testing them
[14:29] <JontheEchinda> brb too in just a second
[14:36] <JontheEchidna> Cool, the password dialog for screen locking doesn't disappear behind the screensaver now.
[14:39] <stdin> seems kde3 apps don't want to go in the system tray any more
[14:39] <Riddell> stdin: works here
[14:39] <stdin> akregator and knetworkmanager start, but stay in small windows on the desktop
[14:40] <stdin> kde4 and gtk apps do go in the systray though
[14:40] <seele> anyone familiar with GRUB and wants to take a few minutes looking over my wireframes before i send them to Artemis_Fowl?
[14:41] <JontheEchidna> Konversation and knetwork manager embed in my tray just fine
[14:48] <Nightrose> hmmmm about screen tells me kde version is still 4.0.3 - package version for kdebase-*-kde4 is 4.0.4 though
[14:48] <Nightrose> something tells me that aint good ;-)
[14:49] <jjesse> Nightrose: same for me
[14:49] <Nightrose> ok good to know it is not just me
[14:49] <Nightrose> Riddell: ^
[14:50] <stdin> happens with a new user too
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> damn, forgot to update Qt before I logged out last time...
[14:52] <JontheEchidna> brb again
[14:55] <JontheEchidna> Most of my apps are reporting 4.0.3 too
[14:56] <Nightrose> most?
[14:56] <Nightrose> any reporting 4.0.4 for you?
[14:56] <Nightrose> cause i have found none so far
[14:57] <JontheEchidna> hmm, now that you mention it...
[14:57] <Nightrose> ;-)
[14:57] <stdin> $ kde4-config --version
[14:57] <stdin> Qt: 4.4.0
[14:57] <stdin> KDE: 4.0.3 (KDE 4.0.3)
[14:58] <JontheEchidna> qt 4.4 is nice
[14:58] <Nightrose> same here stdin
[14:58] <JontheEchidna> same here
[14:58] <stdin> hmm, looks like Qt4 apps do embed in the tray (QSystemTrayIcon)
[15:00] <JontheEchidna> with compositing on, un-minimizing windows causes them to have all black window decoration momentarily
[15:04] <JontheEchidna> Desktop effects seem smoother though
[15:05] <Nightrose> yea here too
[15:05] <Nightrose> smoother that is
[15:05] <JontheEchidna> fullscreen apps like firefox used to make things chug when I minimized it with the minimize effect on
[15:07] <stdin> speaking of desktop effects, when I enable it for some reason my gtk apps become invisible
[15:08] <JontheEchidna> stdin: Yeah, that's been happening since forever
[15:08] <jjesse> when i enable desktop effects mine computer throws up
[15:08] <JontheEchidna> if you enable desktop effects, all minimized gtk apps become invisible
[15:08] <JontheEchidna> to workaround you can either:
[15:08] <stdin> even if they aren't minimised
[15:08] <JontheEchidna> huh
[15:08] <JontheEchidna> interesting
[15:09] <JontheEchidna> if you restart the app is it invisible?
[15:09] <stdin> I'll see
[15:10] <stdin> ok, now it's refusing to disappear :p
[15:11] <JontheEchidna> heh
[15:12] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: I got your wireframes. I'll take a look at them later. Will you be here in about 3 hours?
[15:13] <stdin> of the 2 gtk windows I had open, only one disappeared this time, but restarting it made it come back
[15:15] <JontheEchidna> nice update, overall. bbl
[15:16] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: maybe, those are lunch hours
[15:16] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: more likely after 3 hours
[15:17] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: around 4 hours from now wouldn't be impossible for me
[15:17] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: I'll see what I can do
[15:18] <seele> no worries.  if not email me with questions or we can talk tomor-- friday
[15:18] <seele> (damn this day job..)
[15:19] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: I certainly need some exaplanations/information
[15:22] <seele> i figured.. that's why i wanted to talk it over with you.  it's not the voice of god, it's just a bunch of recommendations
[15:24] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: ok. we'll probably talk about it later
[15:47] <JontheEchidna> There's a typo on the 4.0.4 release announcement page
[15:47] <JontheEchidna> At the top it says "KDE 4.0.3 released"
[16:17] <yuriy> having trouble upgrading to 4.0.4 here:
[16:17] <yuriy> libqt4-debug: Depends: libqt4-gui (= 4.3.4-0ubuntu3) but 4.4.0-1ubuntu1~hardy1 is to be installed.
[16:28] <yuriy> oh no, another *Kit
[16:37] <stdin> yuriy: libqt4-debug was renamed to libqt4-dbg, use aptitude and it should say it want's to remove -debug
[16:39] <stdin> should say there, aptitude or adept, had no trouble with adept here
[16:40] <yuriy> i am using aptitude and that's what i'd expect but it's not figuring it out. it wants to hold back all the qt packages instead
[16:41] <yuriy> hmm haven't actually used adept in a while, i'll give it a shot
[16:42] <yuriy> this packagekit thing bothers me.. i hope the solid guys know about it
[16:43] <yuriy> wait so... 4.0.4 is built against Qt 4.4?
[16:44] <yuriy> (so many 4's :D)
[16:44] <stdin> I don't think it is, but Qt4.3 and 4.4 are binary compatible
[16:47] <yuriy> hmm was alien widgets a 4.3 or 4.4 feature
[16:48] <JontheEchidna> 4.4 I think
[16:49] <nosrednaekim> I thought 4.4 broke 4.0.x
[16:49] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: i thought so too but i don't see it in the new features pages
[16:50] <yuriy> but, let's see if the upgrade makes resizing smoother
[17:26] <stdin> umm, is anyone else not able to get kde3 apps to connect to the network in 4.0.4 any more?
[17:27] <stdin> konqueror gives me the error: An error occurred while loading http://... Cannot talk to klauncher
[17:27] <uga> uhuh... "W: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy-updates/universe/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch"
[17:27] <uga> anyone else getting the same prob?
[17:28] <Nightrose> stdin: worksforme
[17:28] <nosrednaekim> uga: do apt-get update again
[17:28] <uga> it's failed twice already. Trying again
[17:29] <stdin> hmm
[17:29] <stdin> brb
[17:30] <uga> something is strange here... now it's not managing to receive headers from the archive
[17:31] <uga> nosrednaekim: has something been announced at slashdot?
[17:31] <nosrednaekim> eh?
[17:31] <uga> the server isn't responding
[17:31] <nosrednaekim> oh :)
[17:31] <uga> it's stuck at 28% once and again
[17:31] <nosrednaekim> 4.0.4 :)
[17:31] <uga> wtf
[17:31] <uga> nooooo!
[17:31] <uga> who wants broken kde 4.0 packages
[17:32] <uga> if only they were 4.1...
[17:36] <stdin> Nightrose: are your ~/.kde4/cache-* ~/.kde4/socket-* and ~/.kde4/tmp-* links or dirs?
[17:37] <Nightrose> checking
[17:37] <nixternal> security.ubuntu.com is the only thing hanging for me, everything else is decent
[17:37] <stdin> I just rm'd the links and replaced them with dirs (like it was before) and I get icons in the systray again
[17:37] <Nightrose> stdin: links
[17:37] <stdin> net access for kde3 apps is back, and so is the background
[17:38] <stdin> strange
[17:38] <stdin> seems to have fixed my issues though...
[17:47] <yuriy> aw resizing is still ugly
[17:47] <yuriy> wait.. this is 4.0.3.. huh
[17:48] <Nightrose> yuriy: yea the about dialog still shows 4.0.3 for some reason
[17:49] <yuriy> stdin: are you sure you got the right tarball? :P
[17:49] <stdin> yuriy: ask Riddell ;)
[17:52] <yuriy> ok this is pretty glitchy
[18:10] <nixternal> ya, they made a mistake with the 4.0.4 kdelibs tarball and just released and updated tarball to fix that yesterday
[18:11] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: you get a chance to look over the slides?  i have some time
[18:12] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: I am still looking the 2nd slide
[18:12] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: I didn't have much time
[18:12] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: anyway
[18:12] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: may I ask some questions that popped up?
[18:12] <seele> sure
[18:13] <Artemis_Fowl> some of them are trivial
[18:13] <Artemis_Fowl> for instance
[18:13] <Artemis_Fowl> KGRUBEditor has 4 Move buttons: Move Top/Up/Down/Bottom
[18:14] <Artemis_Fowl> are the Move Top/Bottom unnecessary?
[18:14] <Artemis_Fowl> because in the wireframes only Up/Down are shown
[18:14] <seele> right.. i would look at other list boxes that have that functionality and use whatever they use
[18:14] <seele> we dont have a guideline on it yet, so i don't know what is typically used
[18:15] <seele> i think since there will only ever be a few entries that clicking the button a few times isn't so bad
[18:15] <Artemis_Fowl> ok
[18:15] <seele> i think most people will have 3 entries (kubuntu, failsafe, windows)
[18:15] <seele> maybe 4
[18:15] <seele> i guess id depends on if all the historical kernels are available or not
[18:16] <Artemis_Fowl> moreover concerning the Move buttons how should they look? currently they only have an icon and no text
[18:16] <Artemis_Fowl> as you can see in the screencast
[18:16] <seele> yes
[18:16] <seele> let me check system settings to see if there is a precedent
[18:16] <seele> i know kmail uses icons
[18:18] <seele> cand find anything
[18:18] <seele> for now, i guess use your icons, but dont feel bad if someone asks you to change it to a button with text
[18:18]  * seele makes a note on the hig todo
[18:20] <Artemis_Fowl> actually the icon alone seems a bit strange but with the text the layout looks a bit ugly
[18:21] <Artemis_Fowl> so for now simply delete the Move Top/Bottom actions
[18:21] <Artemis_Fowl> and the Copy Entry
[18:21] <seele> yes, i didnt know what copy would be used for, and the other editors didnt have that option
[18:22] <Artemis_Fowl> actually it could be used as a template
[18:22] <Artemis_Fowl> copy an entry
[18:22] <Artemis_Fowl> and then edit it
[18:22] <Artemis_Fowl> but indeed it is useless
[18:22] <seele> especially since Add takes you through the wizard
[18:23] <Artemis_Fowl> another question: should I keep the click-and-show-info approach in the entry list?
[18:24] <Artemis_Fowl> I didn't really understand what you meant in the notes where you mention: "Possible info to list in GRUB menu:"
[18:24] <seele> no, afaik there are no other kde lists that act like that
[18:25] <seele> ah, well it is a choice between when you select something, the information shows (not the double clicking action, you can only view the information for the selected item), information on tooltip, or display the information below the box when the item is selected
[18:25] <seele> currently information is either shown in a tooltip, always visible, or shown when selected
[18:25] <seele> basically, anything that you agree to that isnt the funky double click exapanding information thing
[18:28] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: tooltips don't sound that bad
[18:28] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: actually it would be nice
[18:29] <seele> it would give you room to put more information too
[18:29] <Artemis_Fowl> however let's consider all alternatives. when you say "display the information below the box" you mean something like this: http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/files/765471_o3wx1/KGRUBEditor14.png?
[18:30] <seele> yes
[18:31] <nixternal> The following packages will be REMOVED: kde4libs-dbg kdebase-dbg-kde4 kdebase-runtime-dbg kdebase-workspace-dbg kdepimlibs-dbg kdesdk-dbg-kde4 libqt4-debug libqtwebkit-dev
[18:31] <nixternal> hrmm, why do all of the -dbg packages want to get removed?
[18:31] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: that used to be how KGRUBEditor looked almost a month before but got rejected due to low space
[18:32] <seele> low space?
[18:32] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: it didn't leave much space to the entry list
[18:33] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: I think I will go the tooltip way
[18:33] <seele> ok
[18:35] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: ok all of the entry related things are covered I think
[18:35] <Nightrose> nixternal: same here - though i don't really care
[18:35] <seele> oh, also.. just use text to show the default and fallback
[18:35] <seele> dont use another color
[18:36] <seele> the text alone is enough, and i dont know if all the themes have a secondary selection color defined
[18:36] <seele> or how accessibility handles that information
[18:36] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: that's fine. one settings less
[18:36] <Artemis_Fowl> setting*
[18:36] <seele> ok cool
[18:37] <stdin> nixternal: because libqt4-debug is now libqt4-dbg apparently
[18:38] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: that's ok for now. I have to go. I'll take a look at the slides later and ask questions tomorrow
[18:38] <seele> ok, talk to you later
[18:39] <yuriy> oh yay the lock screen bug that I keep forgetting to report is fixed in 4.0.4
[18:45] <yuriy> wait crap now the screen won't lock at all
[18:47] <JontheEchidna> I can lock my screen just fine
[18:47] <JontheEchidna> Session switching seems to be unbroken now
[18:50] <yuriy> hmm the button doesn't do anything at all for me right now
[18:50] <yuriy> neither does switch user
[18:59] <Riddell> yuriy: the version number is a bug from upstream, patches welcome
[18:59] <Riddell> kdeversion.h I think is the file
[19:00] <Riddell> vorian: poke poke
[19:00] <Riddell> vorian: what should i say about your motu application?
[19:04] <nixternal> Riddell: that is cheating :p
[19:08] <jdavies> nixternal: "Works for us" (tm)
[19:10] <jjesse> afternoon :)
[19:11] <jdavies> nixternal: btw, does semantik work there?
[19:12] <jdavies> evening jjesse
[19:12] <jjesse> hello jdavies
[19:26] <jdavies> oh blimey
[19:26] <jdavies> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10784/
[19:26]  * jdavies questions upstream's methods
[19:33] <vorian> thanks for the kind words Riddell :)
[19:33] <vorian> (and jdavies and nixternal )
[19:33]  * jdavies hugs vorian - now... go package NUR of k9copy!
[19:33] <vorian> k9copy eh?
[19:34] <jdavies> new release is KDE4 version
[19:34] <vorian> hmm
[19:34]  * vorian looks :)
[19:34] <jdavies> and I sent the author some patches at new year's
[19:35] <jdavies> Riddell: for existing kde3 packages in the archives, should we still add -kde4 to the package name, or replace the kde3 version?
[19:38] <vorian> 2.0 downloading now....
[19:39] <vorian> jdavies: i'll pop the kde4 at the end just to be on the safe side
[19:52] <JontheEchidna> What debug packages would I need for Ktorrent-kde4?
[19:53] <jdavies> vorian: one of yours^
[19:54] <smarter> debugging symbols are in http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/
[19:54] <vorian> hmmm stealing my package eh?
[19:54] <vorian> :P
[19:55] <Arby> evening all
[19:55] <jdavies> evening Arby
[19:55] <smarter> JontheEchidna: so this should be what you're looking for: http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/pool/universe/k/ktorrent-kde4/
[19:55] <Arby> what merging fun needs doing tonight?
[19:55] <JontheEchidna> Thanks
[19:56] <smarter> you can also add ddebs.ubuntu.com to your sources.list
[19:56] <JontheEchidna> useful
[19:57] <stdin> Riddell: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/+bug/227902
[19:57] <stdin> +patch
[19:58] <jdavies> smarter: interesting site
[19:59] <stdin> same as http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/ddebs I suspect
[20:00] <smarter> jdavies: n'est-ce pas? ;)
[20:01] <smarter> stdin: The requested URL /~ubuntu-archive/ddebs was not found on this server.
[20:01] <jdavies> ;-) -> supper
[20:01] <stdin> well, that's the old address
[20:11] <Tm_T> bahhhhhh
[20:12] <Tm_T> now I slowly begin to regret I decided to reinstall system
[20:12] <Tm_T> I wonder why I cannot choose othre locales than en_US
[20:15] <stdin> Riddell: kde4libs-dbg can't be installed due to Qt4.4, I've uploaded a new debdiff which should fix it
[20:16]  * Tm_T is slowly getting bare xorg installed
[20:23] <Arby> Riddell: is kdevelop3 worth merging or is there a kde4 version on the way?
[20:28] <Lure> hello all
[20:28] <Lure> anybody building kde-svn with qt4 from hardy-backports?
[20:28]  * Lure has issue with it
[20:32] <JontheEchidna> Somebody in#kubuntu-kde4 was having trouble building KDE svn with Qt4.4
[20:41] <Lure> JontheEchidna: ok, at least I am not alone
[21:02] <Nightrose> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/227904
[21:04] <Lure> Nightrose: confirmed
[21:25] <loffe> Hi all, I can't install libqt4-opengl-dev. There seems to be a conflict. I get this error message: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/pkgconfig/QtOpenGL.pc', which is also in package libqt4-dev
[21:26] <loffe> Can anyone help me with a workaround, or maybe a fix?
[21:27] <JontheEchidna> I have the same problem
[21:28] <mi> me 2
[21:29] <mi> :)
[21:29] <mi> after update qt 4.4 I can't compile kdebase ....
[21:32] <loffe> What I understand this is caused by libqt4-dev has some kind of "lock" on the file and no other package may overwrite it
[21:33] <loffe> I guess some dpkg command can fix this, but I don't know the tools enough to experiment with it
[21:34] <stdin> it's --force-overwrite, but don't tell anyone I told you
[21:34] <stdin> it's a 1337 command ;)
[21:34]  * JontheEchidna 1337
[21:34] <loffe> stdin: to use with apt or dpkg ?
[21:35] <stdin> dpkg
[21:37] <loffe> stdin: thanks, it seem to work
[21:37] <loffe> stdin: and I will not blame you if I broke something :P
[21:38] <JontheEchidna> Where does apt store its debs?
[21:38] <stdin> it only tells dpkg not to error out when one package overwrites a file from another, but an update of either (if it's not fixed) will break again
[21:39] <stdin> JontheEchidna: /var/cache/apt
[21:39] <JontheEchidna> k, thx
[21:39] <stdin> /var/cache/apt/archives to be exact
[21:40] <JontheEchidna> I had remembered stumbling upon it in the past but I forgot where it was
[21:42] <JontheEchidna> Yay, and now apps that need QtOpenGl compile!
[21:42] <loffe> FYI the file that gets overwritten is exactly the same as the new one.
[21:43] <JontheEchidna> qmake wasn't failing because that file was missing
[21:43] <loffe> I think this has to do with the libqt4-dev split into several packages
[21:43] <stdin> libqt4-opengl-dev is only a recommends of libqt4-dev
[21:44] <loffe> afaik In qt 4.3 there was no libqt4-opengl-dev, it is new in qt 4.4
[21:44] <stdin> yep
[21:44] <nosrednaekim> stdin: did you find out of 4.0.4 was built again 4.4?
[21:45] <stdin> nosrednaekim: I don't think it was, but let me have a look-see
[21:48] <stdin> kde4libs was built against qt4.3
[21:48] <nosrednaekim> ok
[21:49] <stdin> and so was kdepimlibs, so 4.3 would be what everything uses
[21:52] <yuriy> so the qt4.4 backport was completely independent of the kde4 backport?
[21:52] <yuriy> what about future builds of kde for hardy, how will those work?
[21:54] <stdin> future builds should be against 4.4, as long as they are uploaded to -backports anyway
[21:58] <mi> stdin, tnx kdebase compile again nice
[22:03] <Lure> stdin: thanks, works here too
[22:53] <vorian> arrrgh, archive is sloooooow today