[00:00] <_ZeuZ_> Because: it's one hell of a bitacoured filesystem
[00:00] <_ZeuZ_> secure, and fast
[00:00] <DexterF> got some update trouble. some fglrx packages messed with libGl, now on upgrading aptitude complains it can't overwrite /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2
[00:00] <_ZeuZ_> also,easily critable
[00:00] <_ZeuZ_> either way, it's my FS of choice
[00:00] <_ZeuZ_> Crap, the keyboard map on that system got dislocated... how can I get it back to normal?
[00:00] <raket> okay, so tried it, and I don't see anything special (yet!) in kde4... how can I revert the changes?
[00:00] <flaccid> meh
[00:01] <_ZeuZ_> x'D
[00:01] <intelikey> :)
[00:02] <raket> i *could* just reinstall kubuntu, since this is a fresh install...
[00:02] <intelikey> :)
[00:02] <Fujisan> comrad stdin
[00:02] <flaccid> raket: whats the problem sorry
[00:02] <Fujisan> i love you
[00:03] <stdin> Fujisan: I advise you to stay on topic in here too
[00:03] <DexterF> can anyone make something of this?  http://pastebin.ca/1009869
[00:03] <Fujisan> kthnx i value your advise
[00:03] <raket> there isn't any problem, I was just trying it
[00:03] <Fujisan> stdin
[00:04] <flaccid> raket: what do you want to rever sorry?
[00:04] <raket> oh, I upgraded to kde4
[00:04] <intelikey> DexterF i could print it and make a paper airplain...
[00:04] <DexterF> intelikey: ...
[00:04] <flaccid> raket: do you need the diskspace?
[00:05] <raket> why do you ask... I might
[00:05] <raket> need it
[00:05] <flaccid> no need to remove unless you need the diskspace. remove kde4-core if you need t but
[00:05] <raket> how much is it?
[00:06] <flaccid> dunno
[00:06] <Fujisan> is there a channel esp. for kde4
[00:06] <intelikey> DexterF you could "force-upgrade" the package
[00:06] <flaccid> Fujisan: see topic
[00:06] <Fujisan> i just started a new project
[00:07] <flaccid> DexterF: remove the cdrom source and fetch updates then try again - same problem?
[00:07] <raket> flaccid: I know I can just go back to kde3, but when I log in into it, I receive some errors about things missing
[00:07] <DexterF> flaccid: checking...
[00:07] <intelikey> DexterF   sudo dpkg -i --force-upgrade /cdrom//pool/main/m/mesa/libgl1-mesa-glx_7.0.3~rc2-1ubuntu3_i386.deb       you might check the man page on dpkg first.    follow that with sudo apt-get install -f   and you should be good to go
[00:07] <DexterF> intelikey: force how? man page says zilch
[00:07] <DexterF> ah...
[00:09] <intelikey> !removekde
[00:09] <flaccid> raket: what errors
[00:09] <DexterF> flaccid: hm.. fetches another 600MB now... well see what happens...
[00:09] <intelikey> remove all kde* and install kubuntu-desktop
[00:09] <raket> well hold on, I'll log into it and I'll tell you
[00:10] <flaccid> cool
[00:10] <raket> intelikey: is that for me?
[00:10] <intelikey> if you want to go that route  yes.
[00:10] <intelikey> i like to offer alternative ways to achive the desired end.
[00:10] <DexterF> intelikey: I think even if your line helps this will happen again on every libGL update. I made fglrx debs myself and something must have gone wrong when uninstalling them with dpkg-divert.
[00:11] <flaccid> raket: you don't know why the errors are there nor if kde4 created them..
[00:11] <raket> flaccid: i think kde4 removed some of the starting programs
[00:11] <flaccid> starting programs?
[00:12] <raket> well, I am speculating here, I am still new
[00:12] <flaccid> kde4 doesn't remove programs..
[00:12] <intelikey> DexterF hmmm ok.    so you think it's your package that is causing that ?     dubble check the pre/post\//inst/rr scripts in your package...
[00:12] <flaccid> yeah speculation is not good for a newbie
[00:12] <raket> at least I am telling you that I did. :)
[00:12] <flaccid> hehe
[00:13] <intelikey> speculation is always good, as long as it is treeted as such.   it expands horizions of thought.
[00:13] <DexterF> intelikey: "my" package isn't exactly right. the ati fglrx installer comes with command line switches to build distro specific packages. amongst them kubuntu. so ati fscked up. as usual.
[00:13] <flaccid> i tend to differ
[00:14] <intelikey> DexterF understood.
[00:14] <DexterF> intelikey: still have those debs tho - where do I find the rr scripts usually?
[00:15] <intelikey> /var/lib/dpkg/info/*  ???
[00:16] <DexterF> intelikey: thanks
[00:16] <intelikey> welcome
[00:18] <jay_> anybody running kubuntu on a dell laptop?
[00:18] <intelikey> wow i have 7500 files in there.
[00:18] <Plummet> ok, how do stop kubuntu from starting all the programs i had open when i turned off the computer
[00:19] <raket> okay... here's the error window I get "Error - KDE Par..." Malformed URL    system:/
[00:19] <intelikey> close them and turn it off the same way ?
[00:19] <Plummet> k
[00:19] <intelikey> Plummet or set kde to start with an empty session
[00:19] <linux_> Hello.
[00:19] <linux_> Can anyone help? Here is my problem: http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=panelproblem1og3.png
[00:19] <raket> and "Error - KDE Par..." Malformed URL    trash:/
[00:19] <Plummet> intelikey: where is that setting?
[00:19] <raket> are these just the shortcuts?!
[00:20] <linux_> It's KDE 4.0 only.
[00:20] <flaccid> linux_: thats a bug
[00:20] <linux_> Every distro that includes KDE 4.0 has this issue.
[00:20] <intelikey> Plummet the first is case specific.  the latter is universal.    the setting is in   kcontrol  some place.
[00:20] <linux_> Yes, but how do I fix it?
[00:20] <Plummet> intelikey: thank you
[00:20] <jay_> i can't find drivers for connecting my machine to a hp 4315 on a windows computer
[00:20] <flaccid> linux_: wait
[00:20] <intelikey> Plummet welcome.
[00:20] <linux_> I'm on OpenSUSE 11.0 now.
[00:20] <raket> flaccid: any ideas?
[00:20] <flaccid> linux_: this ks kubuntu support
[00:21] <linux_> flaccid, if you use Kubuntu KDE 4.0 it has this issue. :)
[00:21] <flaccid> raket: huh?
[00:21] <flaccid> linux_: i know. its a bug.
[00:21] <linux_> OK, I just want to know a workaround.
[00:21] <xtreme_juice> does anyone know how to configure webmin?
[00:21] <flaccid> raket: thats usually a bug
[00:21] <flaccid> !webmin | xtreme_juice
[00:21] <linux_> Who gives a flying fuck if it's a bug.
[00:22] <linux_> SERIOUSLY>
[00:22] <flaccid> !language | linux_
[00:22] <linux_> I'm sorry.
[00:22] <flaccid> linux_: i care very much thank you.
[00:22] <linux_> But.. you can't just sit there and say it's a bug.
[00:22] <linux_> HELP FIX IT.
[00:22] <stdin> !caps | linux_
[00:22] <flaccid> don't shout linux
[00:22] <_ZeuZ_> any idea of a good GUI for tcng?
[00:22] <intelikey> Plummet there are also  cli  ways to achieve that end.   maybe look into deleting the files in ~/.kde/Autostart or ~/.kde/share/config/  something... saved_state  maybe.
[00:22] <linux_> If I didn't use caps you wouldn't get my point.
[00:22] <flaccid> linux_: im not a kde developer
[00:22] <linux_> I'm not asking you to be.
[00:22] <stdin> linux_: we can all read lower-case
[00:22] <flaccid> linux_: i got your point right from the start thank you
[00:23] <linux_> All I'm asking is to tell me a workaround.
[00:23] <flaccid> linux_: in order to fix it, you need to have the skillset of a kde developer
[00:23] <linux_> If you don't have one, DON'T say anything.
[00:23] <flaccid> linux_: i don't know of a workaround.
[00:23] <linux_> It's as simple as that.
[00:23] <linux_> Then DON'T say anything.
[00:23] <flaccid> linux_: lol
[00:23] <linux_> I KNOW it's a bug.
[00:23] <_ZeuZ_> linux_ what was your problem again?
[00:23] <flaccid> i can say what i want. this is freenode lol
[00:23] <flaccid> danke
[00:23] <_ZeuZ_> lol
[00:23] <stdin> if you can't say anything nice
[00:23] <_ZeuZ_> just when I was about to try to be useful...
[00:23] <intelikey> :)
[00:23] <intelikey> ^5 stdin
[00:24] <jay_> does anybody have experience setting up samba
[00:24] <flaccid> well all want bugs fixed with a snap of a finger. the real world is different.
[00:24] <stdin> now
[00:24] <flaccid> jay_: yeah
[00:24] <DexterF> intelikey: hm, seems like the postrm wasnt run when I removed the package. good thing I made backups...
[00:24] <stdin> linux_: please don't disregard the channel rules here, they are there for a reason and we enforce them
[00:25] <intelikey> DexterF k
[00:25] <stdin> linux_: if you feel you can't or don't want to follow them, you're free to part
[00:25] <DexterF> this ATi card so has to go
[00:25] <stdin> there we go then
[00:26] <flaccid> DexterF: why do you not update your system and install latest restricted driver from repos?
[00:26] <Plummet> i lost the title bar on every window..that ever happen to anyone?
[00:26] <raket> so intelikey, I like your idea of "remove all kde* and install kubuntu-desktop" but I just wanna know what am I doing with it.
[00:26] <DexterF> flaccid: because the restricted driver blows chunks like nothing blows chunks since chunk blowing began
[00:27] <flaccid> DexterF: im using it atm. whats the specific problem with it?
[00:27] <mattelacchiato> hi there
[00:28] <DexterF> unfortunately I was stupid enough recently to try and see for myself the hard way after happpily using the free driver but after all the fanboi praise on Moronix, sorry, Phoronix I thought I give it another try. now I'm facing package db mayhem.
[00:28] <Agent_bob> sorry,  i have to run.
[00:28] <flaccid> DexterF: yeah looks to me like you stuffed it up for no reason..
[00:28] <mattelacchiato> can sb. help me to use ALSA with no pulseaudio?
[00:29]  * mattelacchiato got Kubuntu 8.04, of course
[00:29] <DexterF> flaccid: well, after all it *would* be nice if I could run a game or if Google Earth ran a tad hotter. but all I got was a years old bug reintroduced in 8.4 that causes the system to stall when using 3D after a while
[00:30] <DexterF> this pulse audio - is it mandatory? all I hear so far is it is bad news
[00:30] <flaccid> DexterF: is the bug on launchpad?
[00:30] <raket> intelikey!?
[00:31] <mattelacchiato> DexterF: pulseaudio was disabled when i've installed kubuntu. but it was using single-playback-only-OSS instead
[00:32] <DexterF> flaccid: this isn't anything canonical can fix, it's a ATi-fscking-fglrx thing. I've been with ATi since fglrx 2.xy hence talking from experience.
[00:32] <mattelacchiato> so i turned pulse on, but i would prefer to use alsa without pulse
[00:32] <flaccid> im confused why all these sound systems and servers are being developed instead of making the existing ones work. ah well
[00:32] <DexterF> mattelacchiato: uh.. so its pulse or oss?
[00:33] <flaccid> DexterF: i play games a lot an d that stuff with the driver and never had that problem so im trying to understand it
[00:33] <mattelacchiato> default: it seemed to be oss
[00:34] <nimrod> i have a problem in Kubuntu 7.10...before i can play radio on streamtuner i must turn of every aplication
[00:34] <Plummet> i seem to have lost window borders, how to fix?
[00:34] <DexterF> flaccid: games like...?
[00:34] <DexterF> and on what card
[00:35] <flaccid> DexterF: nexuiz, enemy territory, ppracer etc.
[00:35] <flaccid> DexterF: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 [Mobility Radeon 9600 M10]
[00:35] <flaccid> nimrod: what is streamtuner?
[00:36] <nimrod> streamtuner is a shoutcast-radio tuner .feks
[00:36] <flaccid> nimrod: where did you insall streamtuner from?
[00:36] <nimrod> i installed it from adept
[00:36] <DexterF> flaccid: nexuiz, good example, I tried that recently. lotsa display corruption, stutters. it goes to 45fps but has a glitch every 0.5sec or so
[00:36] <DexterF> x800xt, rv420
[00:37] <flaccid> well yeah i guess you are right then - can ati in place of nvidia
[00:38] <jayman20086> kubuntu laptop can't install right driver for hp 4315 printer shared in windows
[00:39] <DexterF> after 7 years ATi I will finally. just played the PR game too long. shame, since the *hardware* is solid
[00:39] <flaccid> well ati and nvidia still have much to go to support *nix properly or at least linux. im waiting for them to support xrandr so dual displays are easy.
[00:40] <flaccid> nimrod: the project seems to have stopped. you could submit a bug on launchpad, but im thinking the problem is how streamtuner uses sound - it could be OSS and not ALSA
[00:41] <Plummet> someone take a looky at this forum forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?pid=148421 which describes my problem...they didnt find an answer
[00:41] <flaccid> streamtuner is also gtk based so it could be something to do with that. if you launch streamtuner from konsole, do you get an errors/warnings about the sound?
[00:42] <flaccid> Plummet: not the right place for help. this is kubuntu support.
[00:42] <DexterF> where does apt store the debs it gets?
[00:42] <nimrod> flaccid: ok
[00:43] <DexterF> nvm, var/cache/apt/archives
[00:43] <jayman20086> glad i can get help
[00:43] <nimrod> i haven't tried that, flaccid
[00:43] <Plummet> flaccid: i am using kubuntu and have the same problem
[00:45] <flaccid> Plummet: this is with compiz? if so there is #compiz-fusion for help
[00:45] <flaccid> !effects
[00:45] <DexterF> flaccid: ATi still hasn't even managed to get Xv on a second head working. to name one.
[00:46] <flaccid> Xv ? damn, my card is listed above...^
[00:46] <flaccid> !compiz
[00:46] <Plummet> flaccid: i am running standard kubuntu, just DLd and installed yesterday
[00:46] <flaccid> Plummet: see above
[00:47] <Plummet> flaccid: i dont have compiz.
[00:48] <flaccid> Plummet: that doesnt' make sense, because the link you posted is about compiz.
[00:50] <Plummet> flaccid: the problem they describe is identical to mine, but im running kubuntu straight out of the box (no compiz)
[00:50] <nimrod> me to
[00:50] <flaccid> Plummet: explain the problem please
[00:50] <naught101> Plummet: it might sound similar, but it's not, because you're using a different window manager...
[00:54] <wells_> any one know any french help chan ?
[00:55] <Jucato> !fr | wells_
[00:55] <wells_> tkx :)
[00:57] <xtremejuice> how do i configure ebox?
[01:03] <raket> alright folks, I was on an interesting konsole trip so bear with me... I did apt-get remove kde* to remove all kde stuff... then when I tried to apt-get install kde-desktop the system returned an error... something about dependencies...
[01:04] <raket> but I *was* able to reinstall kde-desktop using "sudo aptitude update" and "sudo apt-get aptitude install kubuntu-desktop"
[01:04] <flaccid> xtremejuice: did you try google?
[01:04] <raket> *I meant to write reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[01:05] <flaccid> !info kde-desktop
[01:05] <flaccid> no such package raket. whats the actual problem atm? if you have errors with apt, perhaps pastebin for perusal?
[01:06] <raket> flaccid: I meant to type kubuntu-desktop
[01:06] <flaccid> ah ok
[01:07] <raket> i wanted to play around, since this is fresh installation, but would a reinstall be agood idea?!
[01:07] <flaccid> i don't know what your problem is atm..
[01:07] <flaccid> and if kubunt-desktop installs ok and nothing else is stuffed up then it should work fine.
[01:07] <raket> it seems that there're no problems... but I wanted to ask just in case
[01:08] <flaccid> np. yeah the packaging system is designed with integrity in mind
[01:08] <roger__> I am looking for assistance with acpi.  My current issue is that i can get the pc to go into suspend mode but resuming it locks up the pc. I have to do a hard reboot.  I am running Kubuntu Hardy 8.04 with all updates, Nvidia proprietary drivers, a Gigabyte GA-7VAXP with a +2800 Amd Processor, Nvidia GeForce 5200 W/ Dual Monitors.  Logs show no sign of the system trying to resume from suspend mode.  Anyone know anything i can check or where
[01:08] <roger__> to look?
[01:09] <raket> flaccid: why did aptitude work anyway!?
[01:09] <flaccid> roger__: i guess the best i can offer for advice is !bugs
[01:09] <flaccid> raket: huh?
[01:10] <roger__> That's the info i keep getting.  Is acpi that buggy?
[01:10] <raket> apt-get install kde-desktop didn't work
[01:10] <raket> dammit!
[01:11] <raket> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop didn't work
[01:11] <flaccid> um i guess you can say that acpi problems or power management problems in general are frequent
[01:11] <raket> :)
[01:11] <flaccid> !info kubuntu-desktop
[01:11] <flaccid> raket: what is the actual error.
[01:11] <flaccid> . = ?
[01:11] <genii> roger__: Do you have a swap partition and if so how large is it compared to your RAM size?
[01:11] <raket> sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop did work
[01:12] <flaccid> genii: does suspend mode = suspend to ram ?
[01:12] <flaccid> raket: right so there is no problem, sweet.
[01:13] <frank23> I setup a samba share but it doesn't even show up as a share in the Remote places on the same computer
[01:13] <raket> well yes, but I was wondering what is the difference, if you know
[01:13] <raket> between hte commands
[01:13] <roger__> Yes i have a swap, 1.5g same as ram
[01:13] <flaccid> raket: between which two commands?
[01:14] <roger__> genii: yes suspend to ram
[01:14] <raket> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[01:14] <raket> sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[01:14] <raket> the first one didn't work
[01:15] <flaccid> raket: aptitude is a dif program. they do the same thing essentially.
[01:15] <flaccid> raket: the first one probably didn't work because it needs to be run under sudo
[01:15] <raket> I ran both with sudo
[01:15] <flaccid> !doesntwork | raket
[01:16] <flaccid> fyi raket we need t know the actual error to be able to pinpoint the problem
[01:16] <raket> I asked for speculation (again), since I don't have the error on my desktop anymore
[01:16] <raket> if you want to know, I can point you at a website though
[01:16] <Choreboy> Help! I'm stuck in a rickroll
[01:16] <flaccid> raket: yeah the realm of possibility is very large. not a good idea to guess in science.
[01:16] <Choreboy> how do you force quit a program?
[01:17] <Choreboy> I'm about to throw this laptop out the window
[01:17] <flaccid> Choreboy: usually using ksysguard or kill in konsole
[01:17] <Choreboy> how do you kill? I don't know much about LInux
[01:17] <sacha_> ctrl+alt+esc on some distros
[01:17] <naught101> Choreboy: ctrl+esc
[01:17] <naught101> ten find teh app and kill it
[01:17] <genii> roger__: Perhaps try adding line: SUSPEND_MODULES="ehci_hcd"                into    /etc/pm/config.d
[01:17] <sacha_> makes your mouse pointer in to skull bones
[01:17] <wesley> is kde4.0.7 already there ?
[01:18] <wesley> i mean kde4.0.4
[01:18] <stdin> wesley: no
[01:18] <naught101> otherwise, run ps -e | grep name-of-app
[01:18] <flaccid> Choreboy: kill pid (pid is the process id as per ps) or you can killall programname (eg. killall konversation)
[01:18] <Choreboy> not working. It's looping and I can't close firefox because of the popup it keeps giving
[01:18] <sacha_> kubuntu still uses 4.03 wesley
[01:18] <sacha_> Choreboy: open up a konsole and type:       killall firefox
[01:18] <flaccid> Choreboy: killall firefox
[01:18] <flaccid> or do a kill -9 pid
[01:18] <wesley> stdin do know i they release it today ?
[01:19]  * genii waits for konversation-kde4
[01:19] <Choreboy> Sweet Spaghetti Monster, you people are my heroes.
[01:19] <roger__> genii: thanks will give that a try.
[01:19]  * sacha_ waits for kaffeine-kde4, kopete-kde4
[01:19] <stdin> genii: you'll be waiting a while ;)
[01:19] <raket> one more question, how much space should I leave for Kubuntu, since I want to move my /home directory on another partition
[01:19] <stdin> wesley: possibly
[01:19]  * wesley is waiting for every kde4 update
[01:19] <genii> stdin: I suspect so as well
[01:19] <flaccid> thats the problem with kde4 - its going to be ages for everything to be ported to it
[01:20]  * sacha_ waits for knetworkmanager-kde4 which will actually be ported very soon
[01:20] <stdin> genii: I think it's planned to release with 4.2
[01:20] <flaccid> knetworkmanager won't even run on my kde4
[01:20] <Choreboy> Was the popup a script? Would NoScript block that?
[01:20] <sacha_> the kde3 version flaccid?
[01:20] <flaccid> sacha_: yeah
[01:20] <sacha_> works fine here in 8.04
[01:20] <roger__> genii: i'm confused.  I went to the file you sent me to and it is an empty directory
[01:20] <wesley> flaccid that strange it runs fine here under 8.04
[01:20] <flaccid> yeah i have a bug where most things that need systray won't load into it
[01:21] <genii> roger__: Thats fine. It just means there are no default options to it currently
[01:21] <sacha_> ouch
[01:21] <flaccid> pretty much the reason why im on kde3 atm
[01:21] <wesley> flaccid i only need like 2 kde3 apps
[01:21] <roger__> so what would i name the file i would put in here to add the new options?
[01:22] <genii> Gah, 4.2! <gets out next year's calendar>
[01:22] <sacha_> i only use 2 kde3 apps too -- konversation and kaffeine
[01:22] <sacha_> oh and knetworkmanager
[01:22] <sacha_> genii: i think 4.2 is end of year
[01:22] <genii> roger__: 1 minute I'll find the reference I got it from
[01:22] <wesley> kde4.2 is planned around christmas time
[01:22] <Daisuke_Laptop> sacha_, what year though?
[01:23] <sacha_> this year
[01:23] <flaccid> 4.2 is what we need - just a long time off unfortunately. but kudos to the devs.
[01:23] <Daisuke_Laptop> realistically?
[01:23] <sacha_> yes
[01:23] <sacha_> 6 months for 4.1->4.2 is pretty realistic
[01:23] <AndreSantos> My Ethernet connection is not working and i dont have a clue why, can someone help me trying to find out ?
[01:23] <AndreSantos> Im on kubuntu 8.04
[01:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> are we talking about the same kde?
[01:24] <sacha_> yes
[01:24] <genii> roger__: Make any filename there and put the line in it (the filename doesn't matter)
[01:24] <flaccid> AndreSantos: what happens when you select wired from knetworkmanager?
[01:25] <flaccid> AndreSantos: this is a wired ethernet connection?
[01:25] <wesley> kde4.1 will be lot faster than the current kde4
[01:25] <roger__> genii:  gonna give it a try...be back
[01:25] <AndreSantos> [flaccid]: When i enable it, it just desables... yes
[01:25] <AndreSantos> wires.
[01:25] <AndreSantos> wired.
[01:25] <genii> roger__:  This fix is per: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/211572
[01:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> history: from 3.1 to 3.2 was... over a year
[01:25] <sacha_> qt4.4 is meant to make it faster but i dont notice too much difference
[01:25] <flaccid> what do you mean it just disables?
[01:26] <AndreSantos> flaccid i click enable... it enable but 1 sec later its setted as disabled
[01:26] <sacha_> Daisuke_Laptop: thats a completely different release with different goals and a different schedule
[01:26] <Daisuke_Laptop> i'm hoping for it by the end of the year, but kde4 introduces a lot more new things than 3 did, so...  forgive me, but i'm not holding my breath.
[01:26] <flaccid> AndreSantos: please pastebin /etc/network/interfaces and /var/log/messages
[01:26] <sacha_> Daisuke_Laptop: idea is a lot of the stuff is introduced now by kde4.1, so 4.2 wont be hard to do in 6 months
[01:26] <Daisuke_Laptop> but for the most part, past X.2, 6 months seems to be the norm
[01:27] <wesley> sacha i do i runed only the live cd alpha and konqeuror and other programs open faster
[01:27] <AndreSantos> flaccid im going to type it on pastebin, since i got no connection on the laptop
[01:27] <sacha_> wesley: the alpha where plasma wasnt working?
[01:28] <AndreSantos> flaccid hold on.
[01:28] <genii> sacha_: I'm in same boat with knetworkmanager and konversation ... stranely starting knetworkmanager from alt-f2 reports kdeinit errors but it runs anyhow
[01:28] <genii> *strangely
[01:28] <sacha_> i dunno, never run it manually
[01:28] <cleath> Hello
[01:28] <wesley> sacha it was working but only half but we have to wait till finaly it looks promising
[01:28] <cleath> how's everyone today?
[01:28] <flaccid> AndreSantos: ok. just do interfaces file then and check /var/log/messages after you click wired and see if it puts anything in there - it should put NetworkManager messages
[01:29] <AndreSantos> [flaccid]: ok
[01:29] <sacha_> wesley: nuno is designing a completely new plasma theme right now. api in the alpha was getting rewritten so it was complete mess :P
[01:29] <raket> mr. flaccid, I have one more question for you! :) sorry if you already saw it.. but, how much space does average Kubuntu system need, since I would like to move my /home directory on another partition...
[01:29] <cleath> I really like ubuntu, first time in awhile i've been able to stay on a linux based OS without having to switch to windows for some reason or another
[01:29] <sacha_> how much space does the /home need? or the kubuntu install? raket
[01:30] <raket> sacha_: Kubuntu
[01:30] <sacha_> raket: /dev/sda1             75300188   7957672  63547564  12% /
[01:30] <AndreSantos> flaccid http://pastebin.com/m2a786639
[01:30] <flaccid> raket: depends. i guess at least 3G is advised, 5G min. preferable
[01:31] <sacha_> raket: im using 7 gigs right now. but i have a lot of development stuff on here. compiled a lot of stuff and working ona few projects
[01:31] <raket> flaccid: alright, I was thinking about 5gb too... thanks again! :)
[01:31] <genii> stdin: Offhand you may know, how would you specify application A goes in systray A and application B goes in systray B ?
[01:31] <cleath> Anyone have experience with using kubuntu as a radius server?
[01:31] <raket> sacha_: thank you too!
[01:32] <stdin> genii: afaik, there is only one systray. though there can be multiple instances of it it's the same
[01:33] <flaccid> AndreSantos: the interface in question is eth0? what is eth2 and ath0 ?
[01:33] <AndreSantos> flaccid eth1
[01:33] <genii> stdin: Rightclick on bar allows multiple systray widget to be added.... just curious if a way to use them :)
[01:34] <genii> stdin: I had 5 by accident
[01:34] <AndreSantos> flaccid the one in knetworkmanager is eth1
[01:35] <stdin> genii: yeah, you can have more than one systray widget, but the system tray thing is "standardised" by freedesktop.org, so unless all DEs provide ways of using more than one systray there can only be one "real" one
[01:35] <genii> stdin: Ah, OK. Thanks
[01:35] <flaccid> AndreSantos: change your interfaces file to this: http://pastebin.com/m152c6ec4 then close knetworkmanager, then do a sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart then start knetworkmanager and see if it works now
[01:36] <constanza> Olas!
[01:36] <genii> !spanish | constanza
[01:37] <constanza> Olas!
[01:37]  * genii sips his coffee
[01:39] <Agent_bob> i like #kubuntu so much better than #ubuntu   ...
[01:39] <flaccid> me too
[01:40] <Agent_bob> shhhh lets don't tell people about it.    they will come in here and spoil this channel too    ;/
[01:40] <genii> I like both for different reasons. More laid back here however.
[01:41] <AndreSantos> [flaccid]: k, gonna try it
[01:42] <AndreSantos> flaccid just that 2 lines?
[01:42] <flaccid> yeah only localhost is required unless setting up static
[01:43] <AndreSantos> ok
[01:43] <weswh-> is there any way to enable mp3 support while running off of the livecd?
[01:44] <flaccid> weswh-: yeah just the same as you would normally
[01:44] <Agent_bob> weswh- just like enabling it from installed
[01:44] <flaccid> !mp3 | weswh-
[01:44] <genii> weswh-: Anything you could install on a regular system can also be installed on a livecd system, up to the size of your RAM
[01:47] <Agent_bob> genii you know.   actually one could add some disk space to the unionfs and install anything.
[01:47] <alucardromero> My expertise isn't video editing, but what can I use to edit video?  Mainly to overlap text on the video.
[01:47] <genii> Agent_bob: Yup
[01:48] <genii> Agent_bob: Your average user has no idea though, they try to install somethng like kde4 then wonder why they run out of space....  (on casper)
[01:48] <Agent_bob> yeah.
[01:49] <Agent_bob> can anyone answer alucardromero  ?
[01:49] <AndreSantos> flaccid just a question, is there a way to active/deactive these devics without knetworkmanager? i personally hate it.
[01:49] <alucardromero> I just read on ubuntuforums... looks like Cinelerra is gonna be the ticket.
[01:50] <alexbobp> ﻿I'm having problems figuring out what sound server is running so I can replace it with the sound server I want running.  What's the best way to find out what program is directly using my audio hardware?
[01:50] <flaccid> AndreSantos: sure is, you can do it in the interfaces file or run dhclient manually on the device..
[01:51] <Agent_bob> alexbobp fuser ?
[01:51] <Feijo_BR> how to configure Konversation to auto register when I enter?
[01:51] <AndreSantos> flaccid how do i run it manually?
[01:51] <flaccid> AndreSantos: eg. sudo dhclient eth1
[01:52] <AndreSantos> [flaccid]: k.
[01:52] <flaccid> in interfaces you can do iface eth1 inet dhcp
[01:52] <genii> AndreSantos: To release dhcp lease use sudo dhclient -r eth1          as example
[01:53] <alexbobp> Agent_bob: on /dev/dsp?
[01:53] <Agent_bob> alexbobp yeah
[01:53] <alexbobp> That returns nothing, but I also can't write to /dev/dsp; I get "device is busy"
[01:53] <AndreSantos> flaccid is it safe to remove knetworkmanager?
[01:53] <alexbobp> so I think whatever is using the hardware is not using it through OSS
[01:53] <flaccid> alexbobp: this should help: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux-Gamers-HOWTO/x696.html
[01:54] <Agent_bob> errr should be alsa
[01:54] <flaccid> AndreSantos: not really. in theory it should be, but ive seen problems when removing it
[01:54] <AndreSantos> kk
[01:54] <Agent_bob> oss is not default in ubuntu
[01:54] <flaccid> alexbobp: alsa is default in kubuntu
[01:55] <alexbobp> flaccid: thanks.  I don't think it's alsa, though, because the alsa process is not running.
[01:55] <AndreSantos> flaccid is it the same for wireless connection? the dhcp command
[01:56] <flaccid> alexbobp: there is no process alsa..
[01:56] <flaccid> AndreSantos: yes but of course it will only work if the wireless network is insecured
[01:56] <styles> Hey, how do I remove ALL the shit from Knome? I like Gnome
[01:56] <alexbobp> flaccid: no?  then what would I kill to unlock the hardware?
[01:56] <genii> Knome?
[01:56] <alexbobp> I want to run pulseaudio.
[01:57] <zOap_kde> I lost my bottom panel, in kubuntu 8.04 Remix how do I get it back? it's not called kicker anymore..
[01:57] <genii> !puregnome | styles
[01:57] <partition_proble> hi all,i've problem with hard disc partition,it has corrupted,and i've to find exact cylinder of a partition to recover it,which tool do i have to use?
[01:57] <AndreSantos> flaccid and if it secured? how do i configure the essid and password? from the terminal
[01:57] <flaccid> alexbobp: if its locked then a a non alsa program is using the device
[01:57] <Agent_bob> !pulseaudio | alexbobp
[01:57] <flaccid> !pulseaudio | alexbobp
[01:57] <flaccid> dang
[01:58] <flaccid> zOap_kde: plasma
[01:58] <Agent_bob> :)
[01:58] <zOap_kde> flaccid, so i just type that in run? didnt work..
[01:58] <alexbobp> so pulseaudio does not replace alsa?  does it use alsa?
[01:58] <alexbobp> how can I find the non-alsa program using the device?
[01:59] <flaccid> AndreSantos: you usually do it in the interfaces file. it depends on the type of encryption. you can do it manual without the interfaces file but it gets complicated (wpa_supplicant)
[01:59] <partition_proble> anybody help me?
[01:59] <styles> genii: I did that. "sudo aptitude remove kubuntu-desktop" I still have all the programs it installed though.
[01:59] <flaccid> zOap_kde: im not sure, ask in #kubuntu-kde4 or #kde
[01:59] <NickPresta> styles, the kubuntu-desktop package is just a metapackage. It isn't actually anything.
[02:00] <styles> NickPresta: Whats the entire package? I had Ubuntu, then I got KDE Desktop last night. It also installed other KDE programs.
[02:00] <AndreSantos> [flaccid]: may i ask u how +- the interfaces file should look like? when connecting to a wireless secured
[02:00] <NickPresta> styles, did you install KDE stuff via the 'kubuntu-desktop' packge?
[02:00] <styles> I want to get rid of the programs and KDE. I didn't know Gnome already hadt he veature.
[02:00] <styles> NickPresta: I think it did. I ran the command over night to dl the ~105MB or something sided package
[02:01] <NickPresta> styles, I would remove kubuntu-desktop and then remove the applications in the Remove Kubuntu section
[02:01] <flaccid> AndreSantos: whats the encryption type?
[02:01] <styles> NickPresta: weres the Remove Kubuntu sectoin?
[02:01] <NickPresta> styles, http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome
[02:02]  * genii just sips his coffee
[02:02] <styles> were do I type this?
[02:02] <styles> Becuase it looks like it will try and over ride the current Gnome.
[02:02] <styles> Alt+f2 or w/e
[02:03] <sacha_> yeah anywhere
[02:03] <NickPresta> styles, you can run it within a terminal. the changes won't happen in real time.
[02:04] <styles> NickPresta: Okay thanks
[02:04] <Feijo_BR> clone multimedia keyboard have special driver for kubuntu?
[02:05] <Agent_bob>  
[02:06] <Agent_bob> alexbobp umm  what does   fuser /dev/snd/*   return?
[02:06] <Dr_willis> weird - i just booted into Kubuntu and the keyboard wasent working.. but its working here under windows, and in the bios.
[02:06] <wad> I downloaded a program (simutrans), unzipped it, and moved the directory into /var/games/. It's currently owned by root:games. I'd like to make this game available to everyone who logs onto this computer. What's the Right Way to do this, the proper Linux way?
[02:07] <alexbobp> Agent_bob: /dev/snd/controlC0:   8502
[02:07] <Agent_bob> add -u  for user name
[02:07] <Jucato> wad: add your user (or any user) to group "games"?
[02:08] <wad> Jucato: okay. I'll give it a try. Thanks!
[02:08] <flaccid> wad: chmod -R 775 on the directory
[02:08] <alexbobp> wad: you could "chmod a+rx" on it to make it so everybody can read and execute it.
[02:08] <alexbobp> Agent_bob: /dev/snd/controlC0:   8502(alex)
[02:08] <Agent_bob> or -v for verbose
[02:09] <alexbobp>  /dev/snd/controlC0:  alex       8502 F.... (alex)kmix
[02:09] <NickPresta> wad, what about in /usr/local/games?
[02:09] <alexbobp> Agent_bob: should I close kmix then?
[02:09] <wad> NickPresta: ah...
[02:09] <Agent_bob> sorry i had to consult the man page.  i'm not an fuser user really.    and kmix is the culprit.
[02:09]  * wad tries some of these suggestions.
[02:10] <Agent_bob> alexbobp i would say adjust it to use the pulseaudio insted
[02:10] <wad> The executable is located here: /usr/games/simutrans/simutrans
[02:10] <flaccid> yeah as per man hier it should be in /usr/share/games
[02:10] <wad> That's not in the path.
[02:10] <wad> Oh, okay.
[02:10]  * wad moves it
[02:10] <genii> Dr_willis: This a bluetooth keyboard?
[02:10] <flaccid> sorry /usr/local/games NickPresta is right
[02:11] <Dr_willis> genii,  nope. Normal usb keyboard. Been working fine for me for ages under linux
[02:11] <NickPresta> wad, you can put it anywhere you want really. it is your system. FHS suggests /usr/local/games.
[02:11] <Dr_willis> dident notice any kernel updates today either. was some other updates
[02:11] <wad> okay
[02:11] <Agent_bob> Dr_willis did you test   alt+sysrq+r   ?
[02:11] <flaccid> NickPresta: what is FHS?
[02:12] <flaccid> yeah /usr/local/games is most appropriate as per man hier :)
[02:12] <wad> And the ownership should be root:games, right?
[02:12] <Jucato> !fhs
[02:12] <^u^> Dr_willis: there's been a few complaints of that lately
[02:12] <Dr_willis> Agent_bob,  nope. alt-ctrl-bs dident work. i ended up hitting the power button to reset. I also noticed the G15 daemon dident see the lcd and run its clock either
[02:12] <genii> Dr_willis: Mostly intel chipset in the box? If so maybe try kernel option of usb-handoff
[02:12] <Matt1728> !pdf
[02:12] <Jucato> flaccid: ^^^^ Filesystem Hierarchy Standard
[02:12] <alexbobp> Agent_bob: now pulseaudio runs, and pavucontrol can connect.  Amarok seems to play audio, but nothing comes from the speakers.
[02:12] <NickPresta> Thanks Jucato :)
[02:12] <Jucato> did I spell hierarchy right?
[02:12] <Matt1728> can someone help me find a program that can edit PDF files
[02:12] <Dr_willis> No intel chipset here. amd64 cpu, nvidia video. I tried moving the usb plug also.
[02:13] <flaccid> Jucato: thanks
[02:13] <Jucato> yep.. I did!!! for the first time! :P
[02:13] <NickPresta> I believe so. It looks right to me :P
[02:13] <flaccid> wad: it should be root:root i think the games user is for /usr/games
[02:13] <Agent_bob> Dr_willis i can't ctrl+alt+anything until i use the sysrq+alt+r  to reset the keyboard    that's why i mentioned it.
[02:14] <Daisuke_Laptop> Matt1728, are you just looking to take a document and make a pdf out of it?
[02:14] <cleath> i have a amd64 nvideo laptop
[02:14] <alexbobp> Agent_bob: I can play audio with mpg123 and aplay, but not through pulseaudio.
[02:15] <flaccid> alexbobp: and you followed the howto ?
[02:15] <Agent_bob> alexbobp i've never messed with pulseaudio  and i'm on dapper so....  sorry.
[02:15] <Matt1728> Daisuke_Laptop: i have a pdf file from class and i want to add my info to it
[02:15] <Daisuke_Laptop> ah
[02:15] <Daisuke_Laptop> not sure then
[02:15] <alexbobp> flaccid: yes, I followed it.
[02:16] <Daisuke_Laptop> !pdfedit
[02:16] <Daisuke_Laptop> !info pdfedit
[02:16] <Daisuke_Laptop> there ya go :)
[02:16] <flaccid> alexbobp: i guess google and !bugs if someone can't help
[02:16] <Agent_bob> Matt1728 print it to ps and edit that. then save as something reasonable
[02:16] <wad> flaccid: It seems to be working now. I put it in /usr/share/games/simutrans. And I just exectute the executable specifically. Works!
[02:16] <Daisuke_Laptop> Agent_bob, pdf is perfectly reasonable
[02:17] <Daisuke_Laptop> do you just have a grudge against adobe?
[02:17] <Agent_bob> Daisuke_Laptop umm yeah   freedom.
[02:17] <flaccid> wad: thats the wrong location as /usr/share/games is Static data files for games in /usr/games but thats cool..
[02:17] <flaccid> pdf is ratified now
[02:18] <Daisuke_Laptop> as flaccid said...
[02:18] <wad> oh
[02:18] <flaccid> pdf is open standard now (iso32000) :)
[02:18] <Daisuke_Laptop> scribus, print to pdf, pdfedit, all work
[02:18] <Jucato> standard? yes. open? hm...
[02:18] <flaccid> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_Document_Format
[02:18] <wad> Oops, I meant to say /usr/local/games
[02:18] <Daisuke_Laptop> and it's not like there aren't any open readers for them either,
[02:18] <wad> Sorry!
[02:18] <Jucato> anyway, such is not the place for ISO discussions :)
[02:19] <flaccid> it was mentioned in passing only
[02:19] <flaccid> :)
[02:19] <flaccid> wad: coolio
[02:22] <miron> Where can I get the module  Lingua::EN::Tagger?
[02:23] <miron> I'm a kde newbie, used to gnome
[02:23] <wad> Okay, so I made an icon to launch the game. It works! I'd like to put it into the menu structure for all users to see.
[02:23]  * wad starts fiddling with the menu
[02:23] <flaccid> wad: right click kmenu and edit
[02:23] <flaccid> cool
[02:23] <wad> flaccid: Ah, yep. Cool.
[02:24] <wad> Nice.
[02:24] <Agent_bob> "open standard"   does not in anyway make a thing free.    now, i've made my OT remark on the subject. i'll quit.
[02:25] <flaccid> thing is what exactly?
[02:27] <flaccid> i don't see what costs..
[02:29] <wells_> re tout le monde
[02:29] <wells_> une tite question vite vite
[02:29] <Jucato> !fr | wells_
[02:30] <wells_> comment miger de ubuntu 8.04 64 bit ( Gnome) vers Kubnutu 8.04 64 bit
[02:31] <Jucato> wells_: this is the English channel. not the French channel
[02:40] <sacha_> hehe cool: http://nuno-icons.com/images/estilo/babes.png
[02:51] <aaroncampbell> Adept downloaded a bunch of packages that I selected, then as it went to install, it prompted for licenses on Java, and I clicked past the first, causing it to quit.  Is there a way to tell apt to just install what's already been downloaded (without having to go through and selec each package from the list again)?
[02:51] <flaccid> aaroncampbell: i don't think so
[02:52] <aaroncampbell> There's no way to see the data that has been downloaded?  Where does it download them to?
[02:52] <Kyral> someplace in /var
[02:52] <Kyral> IIRC
[02:52] <nosrednaekim>  /var/cache/apt/archives
[02:52] <richard_> i am really confused with kubuntu 8.04, i want to type this command:SUDO GEDIT /ETC/MODULES, but I do not know where to type it?
[02:53] <richard_> which program do I use?
[02:53] <flaccid> yeah but then you would have to create an apt-get install command for what you want the apt cache and that would take time. also the apt cache would include other downloads from past..
[02:53] <^u^> !konsole
[02:53] <Agent_bob> richard_ in the first place don't type that.   that will only error out with bash: SUDO not found.
[02:53] <Agent_bob> case is important
[02:54] <Agent_bob> richard_ konsole
[02:54] <richard_> my computer does not shut off after Kubuntu shuts down, this is supposed to fix it
[02:55] <^u^> richard_: and gedit is for gnome - it is a terminal command - try kdesudo kate
[02:56] <richard_> how do I open kdesudo kate
[02:56] <Agent_bob> richard_ konsole
[02:56] <flaccid> richard_: just run the command in konsole
[02:57] <Agent_bob> or in your irc client...   /exec kdesudo kate /etc/modules
[02:57] <Agent_bob> if you can't find the konsole launcher in the kmenu
[02:57] <nosrednaekim> I did not know about that... haha
[02:58] <^u^> richard_:  K-menu -> System -> Konsole - then type kdesudo kate /etc/modules
[02:58] <Agent_bob> nosrednaekim you didn't know about  /exec ?
[02:58] <Jucato> :D
[02:59] <Agent_bob> nosrednaekim  /exec -o ls -ldh $HOME
[02:59] <Agent_bob> :)
[02:59] <richard_> the command failed
[02:59] <richard_> i did find kate
[02:59] <Bobi_bogor> E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room
[02:59] <Bobi_bogor> E: Error occurred while processing update-apt (NewFileVer1)
[02:59] <Bobi_bogor> E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/mirror.its.ac.id_ubuntu_dists_gutsy_universe_binary-i386_Packages
[02:59] <Bobi_bogor> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[02:59] <Bobi_bogor> what should i do?
[02:59] <Jucato> you should use a pastebin next time :)
[03:00] <Bobi_bogor> ok
[03:00] <Bobi_bogor> sorry
[03:00] <Bobi_bogor> help me please
[03:00] <Jucato> what were you trying to do?
[03:00] <Bobi_bogor> sudo apt-get update
[03:00] <flaccid> googlin errors is a good idea
[03:01] <Bobi_bogor> im newbie here
[03:01] <flaccid> np
[03:01] <Agent_bob> nosrednaekim the -o makes it output to the channel so don't use it on things that might flood...
[03:01] <flaccid> i think you need to up your cache limit bob
[03:02] <^u^> richard_: linux is case sensitive - kdesudo kate /etc/modules
[03:02] <Bobi_bogor> how
[03:02] <nosrednaekim> :)
[03:02] <richard_> i may have missed a space after kate?
[03:02] <Jucato> Agent_bob: you shouldn't have told him that... it would have given me the chance to kickban :)
[03:03] <Agent_bob> Jucato the example i listed wouldn't flood anyway  :)
[03:03] <^u^> richard_: there should be a space
[03:03] <flaccid> Bobi_bogor: try adding APT::Cache-Limit "16777216"; to  /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf
[03:03] <Jucato> Agent_bob: you should have given him a "better" example :)
[03:03] <Agent_bob> lol
[03:03] <Bobi_bogor> ok
[03:03] <Agent_bob> /exec -o ls -ldh $HOME
[03:03] <Agent_bob> take the    ^ d out of it
[03:04] <Jucato> richard_: just press Alt+F2 and copy-paste the command: kdesudo kate /etc/modules
[03:04] <Jucato> Agent_bob: don't you mean "replace d with r"? ;)
[03:04] <richard_> it opened
[03:05] <Agent_bob> nah  just the home dir will be flood enough
[03:05] <Jucato> er. I meant R :)
[03:05] <Agent_bob> maybe   s/d/A/
[03:05] <Jucato> right :)
[03:06] <richard_> i am supposed to enter this line:apm power_off=1, do I just add it below what is already there?
[03:06] <Agent_bob> umm uhh
[03:06] <Agent_bob> yes
[03:07] <^u^> richard_: yep
[03:07] <richard_> do I have to select "Edit" or just copy it in?
[03:07] <^u^> richard_: just type it in
[03:07] <Agent_bob> you are already in a text editor...
[03:07] <^u^> richard_: then save and close
[03:07] <Bobi_bogor> still get error message
[03:08] <richard_> any idea if this works? or is there a chance I will screw it up real good?
[03:08] <Ketrel> By default Kubuntu seems to be mounting vfat with shortname=winnt, how can I change the default?
[03:09] <Agent_bob> Ketrel -o option ?
[03:09] <Ketrel> Agent_bob: I mean when it automounts when I plug it in
[03:10] <Agent_bob> Ketrel idk.   sorry.
[03:10] <flaccid> Bobi_bogor: try sudo aptitude clean
[03:10] <Agent_bob> have no idea where ubuntu puts that info
[03:11] <flaccid> Bobi_bogor: failing that, try, sudo rm -vf /var/lib/apt/lists/*
[03:11] <richard_> are you still there >^u^<
[03:11] <Bobi_bogor> yes
[03:11] <Bobi_bogor> fail
[03:11] <flaccid> Bobi_bogor: does this work? sudo apt-get update -o APT::Cache-Limit=25165824
[03:11] <^u^> richard_: yep
[03:12] <Bobi_bogor> trying
[03:12] <richard_> doyou know anything about this line helping to shut down the computer when kubuntu shuts off?
[03:12] <Bobi_bogor> thank god
[03:12] <Bobi_bogor> its working
[03:12] <Bobi_bogor> THANK'S
[03:12] <richard_> I would really hate to get messed up now, I am just learning linux
[03:12] <Bobi_bogor> thanks a lot
[03:12] <flaccid> no problem
[03:12] <ere4si> richard_: nope - ^u^ don't
[03:13] <flaccid> Bobi_bogor: i'd probably still file a bug if i were you. please do if you can
[03:13] <ere4si> richard_: ^u^ = ere4si
[03:13] <kamui> Does XORG read its configuration file from another file other than xorg.conf?
[03:13] <Bobi_bogor> i dont understand
[03:13] <flaccid> !bugs | Bobi_bogor
[03:13] <flaccid> Bobi_bogor: that error shouldn't happen, so filing a bug will help the project
[03:14] <Bobi_bogor> ok
[03:14] <Agent_bob> kamui not normally.   but if you use startx to start xorg it will use the xorg.conf in your home dir if there is one
[03:14] <flaccid> kamui: yes, there is a user settings file iirc
[03:14] <ere4si> richard_: where id you get the command from?
[03:14] <Bobi_bogor> thanks ya
[03:14] <Bobi_bogor> makasih
[03:14] <ere4si> *did
[03:14] <richard_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1714220&postcount=9
[03:14] <kamui> flaccid, agent_bot: could you then explain why I've removed all the pointers from /etc/xorg.conf yet my mouse, trackpad and touchscreen still work?
[03:15] <flaccid> i think its .xinitrc or something
[03:15] <Agent_bob> kamui /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[03:15] <kamui> yep
[03:16] <Agent_bob> kamui and mouse will work without a listing
[03:16] <myk_robinson> test
[03:16] <ere4si> richard_: that is old but it shouldn't do harm - reboot and try
[03:16] <Agent_bob> defaults
[03:16] <flaccid> kamui: not sure. you could check the /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see what its doing
[03:16] <flaccid> you may have to explicitly disable them in xorg.conf
[03:16] <richard_> thanks...I will try it out
[03:17] <richard_> all I have  to do is copy & paste it after the last line that is already there?
[03:17] <kamui> agent: shmitt!  is there a way to disable this behavior?  Im pretty sure its using a generic event driver which breaks the touchscreen
[03:17] <myk_robinson> running kubuntu on a new laptop w/Dual Core. Do i need to insatll a different kernel to take advantage of dual ocre?
[03:18] <nosrednaekim> myk_robinson: nope
[03:18] <flaccid> myk_robinson: nope
[03:18] <kamui> shoot
[03:18] <myk_robinson> okay. i thought maybe i had to install an smp kernel.. the generic is fine, though?
[03:18] <Agent_bob> kamui setting up the touchscreen should superseed the default  and thus "fix" it.
[03:18] <flaccid> yeah smp support is in it
[03:19] <myk_robinson> thank you,good night
[03:19] <flaccid> myk_robinson: you can see SMP in uname -a
[03:19] <flaccid> good night
[03:19] <kamui> Agent_bob: it doesnt
[03:19] <myk_robinson> you are correct
[03:19] <kamui> thas why I was trying to remove everything but the touchscreen
[03:19] <Agent_bob> !touchscreen
[03:19] <myk_robinson> how can i see processor info in command line?
[03:19] <kamui> and then I discovered that removing everything doesn't disable anything
[03:19] <flaccid> myk_robinson: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[03:19] <Ketrel> Anyone else know how to change? (Kubuntu seems to be mounting vfat with shortname=winnt, how can I change the default?)
[03:20] <flaccid> !mount | Ketrel
[03:20] <flaccid> !ntfs | Ketrel
[03:20] <Agent_bob> kamui it's not being overwritten at startup time is it?
[03:20] <flaccid> in fstab Ketrel. see above guide
[03:20] <kamui> Agent_bob: if it is, its restored after
[03:21] <kamui> I just suspect its using a supplementary file, or like you said autoconfiguring for some reason
[03:21] <Ketrel> flaccid: to be more clear, I'm talking about when I plug in my thumbdrive
[03:21] <Ketrel> it's fat32, and mounting with shortname=lower, I just want to change the default to shortname=mixed
[03:21] <flaccid> ah ok
[03:21] <Agent_bob> kamui hmmm that being an xorg issue  you might ask in   #ubuntu and see if anyone that knows will answer
[03:21] <Ketrel> any idea how I'd change the default there?
[03:22] <flaccid> one sec Ketrel
[03:22] <Ketrel> k
[03:24] <kamui> been tryin Agent_bob also finally just asked in xorg
[03:24] <kamui> but I doubt Ill get an answer tonight
[03:24] <flaccid> Ketrel: i believe its in /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/20-storage-methods.fdi just trying to work out what to do exactly
[03:25] <flaccid> Ketrel: just change <append key="volume.mount.valid_options" type="strlist">shortname=</append> to <append key="volume.mount.valid_options" type="strlist">shortname=mixed</append> i gues
[03:25] <^u^> richyes
[03:25] <^u^> oops
[03:27] <Ketrel> flaccid: still automounts it as shortname=lower
[03:27] <Ketrel> here's a question, there something I can do so search the contents of all the files to see if any actually say shortname=lower?
[03:27] <Agent_bob> kamui i wish i knew.   even google doesn't seem to know.
[03:28] <flaccid> Ketrel: there are few entries in the config file, did you change all of them?
[03:28] <Ketrel> lemme check in case I missed one :
[03:28] <flaccid> Ketrel: there is no lower word in that file by default
[03:29] <Ketrel> flaccid: I meant in case it wasn't that file if I could seach for all files that would have the text "shortname=lower"
[03:29] <Ketrel> but I'm checking what happens
[03:29] <Ketrel> I did miss an instance
[03:29] <flaccid> you could do that, but would take a long time and you don't even know if its driver by such text
[03:30] <flaccid> Ketrel: you probably need to sudo /etc/init.d/hal restart as well
[03:30] <Ketrel> ok, I changed all instances (didn't restart hal yet), but now it says
[03:30] <Ketrel> /dev/sdb1 on /media/ANDREWUSB type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,noatime,uhelper=hal,flush,uid=1000,utf8
[03:31] <Ketrel> (notice it doesn't say shortname at all)
[03:31] <Ketrel> in that case, is it mixed?
[03:31] <flaccid> i don't know
[03:31] <flaccid> i don't even know what shortname option is :)
[03:32] <Ketrel> I forget what it does, though I do know in order for it to work with a certain product it has to be on mixed
[03:32] <kamui> Agent_bob: yea, been searching for the last 2 hours
[03:32] <kamui> nothing is coming up
[03:32] <kamui> I can't believe im the first person to have an issue with xorg autodetection
[03:32] <flaccid> Ketrel: test the product
[03:33] <flaccid> kamui: there is #xorg as well
[03:33] <Agent_bob> kamui someone has to be first...
[03:33] <flaccid> im sure many people have had xorg detectin issues..
[03:33] <Ketrel> It wouldn't be a good idea to do that, because I don't have a windows computer handy, and if I've done it wrong, it'll break
[03:33] <kamui> flaccid: its practically deserted, been asking in there too
[03:33] <kamui> Agent_bob: this sucks to be THAT person at THIS moment
[03:34] <flaccid> kamui: keep searching google i guess. i don't know much in that area sorry
[03:34] <kamui> its all good guys, appreciate the effort though
[03:35] <flaccid> kamui: logout crash is more frustrating than that for a lot of users atm :)
[03:35] <Ketrel> Other question, is there any way to mount without being root?
[03:35] <luis86> hoola
[03:36] <flaccid> Ketrel: sure is. add the dev to fstab and specify the 'users' option
[03:36] <Ketrel> kk
[03:36] <Ketrel> thx
[03:36] <flaccid> np
[03:37] <Choreboy> Can someone tell me, is there a kopete channel?
[03:37] <Choreboy> and how do I join different channels? I don't really know IRC.
[03:37] <flaccid> Choreboy: #kopete and /join #kopete
[03:38] <Choreboy> beautiful. Thanks.
[03:38] <flaccid> np
[03:40] <Ketrel> flaccid: I edited the file and restarted hal, if I have anything other than "shortname=" it doesn't use shortname at all
[03:40] <Ketrel> while that file seems to be related, it seems to be pulling the value from elsewhere
[03:41] <flaccid> Ketrel: i guess its possible ubuntu has implemented differenty. let me check google on the config
[03:43] <Ketrel> flaccid: that's what I'm doing too
[03:45] <flaccid> Ketrel: i think that sets the options valid only
[03:45] <flaccid> im not sure what to do to change the default options. google is a bit vauge here
[03:47] <Ketrel> flaccid: Well I'm running a grep on the word lower, hopefully it'll turn up something
[03:47] <flaccid> Ketrel: sows on here how to do it with gconftool: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/general/hal.html
[03:49] <Ketrel> flaccid: I'll read that now, thx
[03:50] <firecrotch> flaccid, Ketrel: sorry to butt in, but what are we trying to accomplish here?
[03:50] <flaccid> change default mount option for usb keys with hal to shortname=mixed with vfat
[03:50] <flaccid> we can find how to set the valid options but not the options itself
[03:50] <abdou> salu
[03:51] <ryan-c> how can I change the refresh rate on my screen?
[03:53] <thev> Hi, anyone know how to activate thumbnail previews in Konqueror? I'm in file mode, and when I mouse over a file the infobox has a preview, but the thumbnails are all generic
[03:53] <firecrotch> flaccid, Ketrel: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=40951
[03:53] <thev> I swear this worked in gutsy... I don't know what's up in Hardy now (fresh install)
[03:54] <firecrotch> it's for ArchLinux, but it should apply to Ubuntu too, afterall, Linux is Linux is Linux
[03:55] <flaccid> firecrotch: hmmm, whats the key value for it?
[03:55] <flaccid> hey there are other unixes hal runs on :p
[03:56] <firecrotch> flaccid:  Heh yeah :) No idea what the key value is
[03:57] <flaccid> firecrotch: there is no solution on that page.
[03:57] <firecrotch> flaccid:  True, but it tells you how hal settings like that are changed
[03:58] <Ketrel> firecrotch: I have no idea what to do though XD, and I still don't know where it's getting the default of "lower" from
[03:58] <flaccid> Ketrel: it will have to be in here somewhere heh http://people.freedesktop.org/~david/hal-spec/hal-spec.html
[03:59] <firecrotch> "lower" is the default.  Just because it is.
[04:02] <flaccid> its crazy that we can't find this
[04:02] <firecrotch> I think I've got it
[04:02] <Ketrel> oh?
[04:03]  * flaccid raises both eybrows
[04:03]  * Ketrel raises all three
[04:03] <firecrotch> Give me a moment, I just have to write up the XML
[04:03] <davf> anyone using fprint or thinkfinger with kubuntu hardy?
[04:04] <flaccid> nice firecrotch
[04:05] <thechris> I have the following issue with initrd:  "/dev/ram not found"
[04:05] <thechris> any ideas ?
[04:05] <flaccid> thechris: ubuntu version and media type please?
[04:07] <thechris> 8.04 and a partition on my box that holds an ISO of the liveCD
[04:08] <flaccid> so is this booting from cd or hard disk?
[04:08] <thechris> hard disk
[04:08] <thechris>  /dev/sda7
[04:09] <flaccid> so did it just start happening? or what triggered it
[04:09] <thechris> I'm attempting to intall from an image stored on a HDD
[04:11] <flaccid> thechris: im a bit confused. you boot with what exactly? whats the process you are trying here
[04:12] <firecrotch> Ketrel: append this to /etc/hal/fdi/preferences.fdi: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10661/
[04:12] <firecrotch> after you make a backup of the originial, of course
[04:13] <firecrotch> Ketrel:  You'll have to restart hal after that
[04:13] <flaccid> ah <merge key="volume.shortname" type="string">mixed</merge>
[04:13] <flaccid> pretty basic
[04:13] <thechris> i boot using grub with /boot/vmlinuz and /boot/initrd.gz with root=casper and an option for something like a 1G ram disk (didn't calculate it out)
[04:13] <Ketrel> firecrotch: trying that now
[04:13] <firecrotch> I would *think* that that is the correct key
[04:14] <flaccid> thechris: so what OS do you boot and how do you access the installer in the ISO?
[04:14] <Ketrel> one problem firecrotch, I can't appeand it as I don't have that file at all
[04:14] <flaccid> i guess touch it Ketrel?
[04:14] <flaccid> create it
[04:15] <will00> i have thunderbird installed on my computer, and recently its stopped getting mail from my gmail account.
[04:15] <robf_> whats the name of that lil update manager that ran initially,  cos I can't find it on the menu and I forget what its called :p
[04:15] <firecrotch> Ketrel:  Odd, you should have it.........
[04:15] <thechris> flaccid: i accessed the ISO originally from linux using mount -o loop.  From there i did a cp -a to copy all files to the partition which i formatted with mke2fs -j or such
[04:15] <flaccid> robf_: adept_manager ?
[04:15] <robf_> flaccid: is it?  I thought that was just a package manager
[04:15] <will00> it says the connection to server pop.gmail.com timed out
[04:15] <robf_> this thing would occasionally annoy me saying "time to update blah blah blah"
[04:16] <flaccid> robf_: sorry adept_updater
[04:16] <firecrotch> I've also come across this: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-157228.html
[04:16] <robf_> and I closed it,  but apparently its not gonna come back automagically
[04:16] <robf_> rather it ran that one time,  and now I forget its name
[04:16] <robf_> I don't think it's adept
[04:16] <flaccid> robf_: adept_notifier
[04:16] <Ketrel> Since I don't have it, does that file need any additional info in it?
[04:16] <robf_> ah ok
[04:17] <Ketrel> firecrotch: with just that info in the file, there's no change
[04:17] <robf_> i figured it'd have some things to update,  but it's not griping
[04:17] <robf_> oh werll
[04:17] <o0Chris0o> what folder does ubuntu store the apps? trying to change default app
[04:17] <robf_> its so odd coming from gentoo to kubuntu and although everyone says its for noobs,  lol I often feel lost :(
[04:17] <flaccid> thechris: so are you saying that you can no longer boot because of this error, but you could before when you did all that stuff?
[04:17] <robf_> *Shrug* thanks though
[04:17] <ppibburr> Ketrel whats the filename?
[04:17] <firecrotch> Ketrel:  http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-157228.html has some settings that supposedly work for this
[04:18] <firecrotch> Ketrel:  Any .fdi file in /etc/hal will be parsed when hal starts, so you could put that in a new file
[04:18] <thechris> flaccid: no, i can boot into an OS, just not the liveCD stored in a seperate partition.
[04:18] <robf_> flaccid: although I am now using adept, this still doesn't look like the thing I'd used
[04:19] <robf_> not sure what it was... oh well this works
[04:19] <fildo> morning
[04:19] <thechris> its a way to get an install without a CD.  never lose the install CD, and have a faster version of the LiveCD
[04:19] <flaccid> thechris: i didn't know that you could boot an iso
[04:20] <robf_> flaccid: why could ya?
[04:21] <flaccid> robf_: huh
[04:21] <robf_> flaccid: you can make grub do some nifty things ;)
[04:21] <robf_> it's a straight up hack though
[04:21] <flaccid> thats pretty cool
[04:21] <thechris> no, the ISO is just a file.  i mounted the ISO using mount -o loop and copied the files to a new partition using cp -a
[04:21] <robf_> we used to have a box that had like 5 different iso stored systems that would mount and boot from em
[04:22] <flaccid> thechris: i understand now
[04:22] <robf_> the isos were on cf cards
[04:22] <Ketrel> firecrotch: I'm trying the one from fedora, will report back in a moment
[04:22] <robf_> flaccid: completely solid state box,  nifty stuff
[04:22] <flaccid> im not sure if direct copying it will work
[04:22] <robf_> but it requires hacking up grub a bit =s
[04:22] <Ketrel> didn't work
[04:23] <ppibburr> the livecd can be installed to a partition, and have another as persistent
[04:23] <flaccid> thechris: when searching google with that error, there were bugs in the past, but thats about it
[04:23] <firecrotch> Ketrel:  That's weird.... can you paste the output of lshal?
[04:24] <ppibburr> i think thats how slax, gets installed
[04:24] <flaccid> thechris: perhaps following process like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent will have more success
[04:24] <Ketrel> firecrotch: looking through it now, will pastebin in a moment
[04:27] <alakhia> hi, can anyone help with wireless connectivity?
[04:27] <Ketrel> firecrotch: this is 50 lines starting with the one containing /dev/sdb1
[04:27] <Ketrel> http://pastebin.ca/1010056
[04:28] <xchiamiov> alakhia: I'll give it a shot
[04:28] <ppibburr> maybe
[04:28] <alakhia> i upgraded to hardy and now my wireless is shot
[04:28] <alakhia> it connected the first time i booted but not anymore
[04:28] <xchiamiov> what kind of card do you have?
[04:28] <flaccid> alakhia: what happens when you select the network in knetworkmanager?
[04:28] <thechris> flaccid: hmm, i can't find isolinux on the cd though
[04:29] <flaccid> thechris: isolinux is so you can do it on fat. i can't find anything on direct copying livecd to a partition..
[04:30] <flaccid> it could purely be a bug still
[04:30] <alakhia> flaccid: this is the weird part ... my access point seems to be rebooting while my laptop connects
[04:30] <flaccid> maybe you are not doing anything wrong... maybe in theory you can just direct copy
[04:30] <ppibburr> syslinux ...
[04:30] <alakhia> knetworkmanager shows the name of my network EECS
[04:30] <flaccid> alakhia: thats no good. can't help with a faulty AP...
[04:31] <xchiamiov> alakhia: seems from the perspecitve of your computer, or looking at the router cp?
[04:31] <robf_> heh adept crashes if you change the search terms mid search it seems
[04:31] <alakhia> but it wasn't doing that before I upgraded
[04:31] <alakhia> xchiamiov: not sure what you mean
[04:31] <xchiamiov> alakhia: do you have any other wireless computers (or OSs) you can test things with?
[04:31] <xchiamiov> alakhia: let me see if I can clarify
[04:32] <ppibburr> copy cd contents to part, now you need a boot loader.
[04:32] <firecrotch> Ketrel:  Okay, then we want: <append key="volume.policy.mount_option.shortname=mixed" type="bool">true</append>
[04:32] <alakhia> i have a desktop which is what I'm using to type right now
[04:32] <firecrotch> At least, I think that will do it
[04:32] <xchiamiov> alakhia: when you say, "it appears to be rebooting", how are you getting that?
[04:32] <alakhia> my wife's laptop uses winxp and I think she can connect fine
[04:32] <flaccid> ppibburr: he is using grub but gets the no /dev/ram error which was fixed years ago
[04:32] <Ketrel> firecrotch: is that in place of <merge...
[04:32] <firecrotch> Ketrel:  Yeah
[04:32] <alakhia> xchiamiov: it's a 2wire access point / router and firewall all in one
[04:32] <nimrod> how can i get access to #python ?
[04:33] <flaccid> [13:29] <flaccid> alakhia: what happens when you select the network in knetworkmanager? <-- what does knetworkmanager do it should have a dialog
[04:33] <xchiamiov> nimrod: what client are you using?
[04:33] <ppibburr> i would bet that a boot disk, where you can pass boot params will get ya there
[04:33] <nimrod> Konversation
[04:33] <alakhia> xchiamiov: it has 3 lights: power, internet, local networking
[04:33] <firecrotch> Ketrel:  Wait wait, it says it's mounting as shortname=mixed....
[04:33] <xchiamiov> nimrod: if you're on the right network, file -> join channel
[04:34] <alakhia> flaccid: I already have configured knetworkmanager
[04:34] <Ketrel> where's it say that?
[04:34] <flaccid> alakhia: you still havnt explained its behaviour.
[04:34] <alakhia> manual config  -> configure interface
[04:34] <xchiamiov> nimrod: do you know which network they're on? (freenode, etc.)?
[04:34] <nimrod> no
[04:34] <alakhia> flaccid: oh, sure. I pick EECS when I right click icon in tray
[04:35] <xchiamiov> nimrod: let me see if I can find it
[04:35] <flaccid> alakhia: manual config won't work with WPA, there is nothing to configure manually, you right click and select the AP...
[04:35] <ppibburr> thechris: pastebin your grub setup?
[04:35] <alakhia> gets stuck at 27% and then my router reboots
[04:35] <Ketrel> firecrotch: where's it say that, mount still says it's doing it as shortname=lower
[04:35] <nimrod> xchiamiov:  i get this message: [05:29] [Channel] You need to be identified to join that channel
[04:35] <flaccid> alakhia: and then what happens... what does it do/say
[04:35] <alakhia> how does it know the key?
[04:35] <sparr_> how can i disable the "doesnt provide secure updates" extension check in firefox 3?
[04:35] <flaccid> alakhia: and what does it say at 27%...
[04:35] <flaccid> nimrod: register with freenode to join
[04:35] <xchiamiov> nimrod: to register, do a "/ns register help" and it'll provide you instructions
[04:35] <alakhia> router keep rebooting and netwkmanager gives up and gives me the configure dialog box when it is done
[04:35] <nimrod> ah
[04:35] <xchiamiov> nimrod: err, /ns help register
[04:35] <alakhia> doesn't go past 27%
[04:36] <nimrod> thanks
[04:36] <flaccid> [13:35] <flaccid> alakhia: and what does it say at 27%...
[04:36] <Ketrel> firecrotch: also chaning merge to append makes no difference
[04:36] <ppibburr> alakhia, whats your card chipset?
[04:36] <xchiamiov> nimrod: np, think specific syntax is "/ns register [email] [password]"
[04:36] <firecrotch> Ketrel:  Perhaps ask in #hal ?
[04:37]  * flaccid is trying to find what stage in process is stops at
[04:37] <thechris> ppibburr: i modified syslinux.cfg.  I'm going to try that out.  seems unlikely to work though.  grub has options of vmlinuz /boot=casper root=/dev/ram ramdisk_size=1073741
[04:37] <nimrod> xchiamiov: i would try that :)
[04:37] <alakhia> doesn't say anything ... gives up
[04:37] <Ketrel> firecrotch: hmmm, That might be best at this point :( as I'm lost and nothign seems to be working
[04:37] <alakhia> ppibburr: checking. Is it lspci?
[04:38] <flaccid> alakhia: are you telling me it says 27% but it doesn't say anything else? pastebin /var/log/messages
[04:38] <ppibburr> yea
[04:38] <firecrotch> Ketrel:  I'm lost too, lol.  I know nothing about hal, learning as I go here
[04:38] <flaccid> need to check log
[04:38] <alakhia> Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/wireless 3945 ABG network connection (rev 02)
[04:38] <alakhia> that's from lspci
[04:39] <Ketrel> are we shore it's hal that's doing this and not KDE?
[04:39] <flaccid> i'll wait for the log. also pastebin /etc/network/interfaces
[04:39] <alakhia> flaccid: what to look for in /var/log/messages?
[04:39] <ppibburr> i had same issues, when i upgraded, but they were unique to my card, which is different
[04:39] <flaccid> alakhia: pastebin it so i can lok
[04:39] <alakhia> want the whole thing?
[04:39] <alakhia> flaccid: ok
[04:39] <alakhia> !pastebin
[04:40] <alakhia> give me a minute ... have to copy to desktop from laptop via thumb drive
[04:40] <flaccid> ok
[04:40] <robf_> everytime my screensaver comes on,  the dialogue to enter my pw and such doesn't showe up,  but I have to type it in just the same,  i just cannot see it
[04:41] <ppibburr> tricky :)
[04:41] <Ketrel> firecrotch: I'm going to try asking in KDE and HAL
[04:41] <firecrotch> Ketrel:  Alrighty.  Otherwise, if you get no answer from #hal, maybe try the hal mailing list
[04:43] <nimrod> non of theese syntax are working....should i write in Ubuntu IRC ?
[04:43] <alakhia> ok, thanks ppibburr
[04:44] <flaccid> nimrod: whats not working?
[04:44] <nimrod> flaccid: i try to register
[04:44] <xchiamiov> nimrod: did you get anything from the nickserv when you did "/ns help register"?
[04:44] <flaccid> nimrod: its /msg nickserv register <password>
[04:46] <nimrod> i got it now i think
[04:46] <Ketrel> Ok, here's a different question, in Windows I can drag a picture from firefox to a folder and it will safe it to that folder, is there any way I can replicate this behavior in KDE (3)?
[04:46] <alakhia> flaccid: this is /var/log/messages http://pastebin.com/d7f76dbab
[04:47] <alakhia> And: http://pastebin.com/m5f63764b
[04:48] <flaccid> thanks
[04:48] <xchiamiov> Ketrel: it works for me dragging to konqueror or the desktop, but not dolphin
[04:49] <flaccid> alakhia: this log is after at least 1 attempt to connect?
[04:49] <Ketrel> ok, lemme try opening konquerer
[04:49] <alakhia> flaccid: probably more
[04:50] <flaccid> yeah i think this could be a bug
[04:50] <flaccid> is it eth0 or eth1?
[04:50] <firecrotch> !adeptfix
[04:50] <flaccid> which release is this again alakhia
[04:50] <flaccid> upgraded to hardy?
[04:50] <alakhia> wireless is eth1
[04:50] <Ketrel> xchiamiov: does it keep the filename, or make you rename it?
[04:50] <alakhia> yup
[04:50] <joel> Hello everyone
[04:50] <alakhia> ethernet is eth0
[04:50] <alakhia> previous releases also gave me trouble
[04:51] <xchiamiov> Ketrel: it asks me for a name, true
[04:51] <joel> I am looking at System Settings (KDE4 Kubuntu 8.04) and I can't find the button to become Admin/Root.... Where is it?
[04:51] <flaccid> alakhia: yep i've had this before as well. semi-intermittant
[04:51] <agate> flaccid: ups...i lost the syntax....it was working, but i copied over it...can you tell me the syntax again?
[04:51] <xchiamiov> Ketrel: you're looking for a way to not have to enter a name?
[04:51] <flaccid> agate: for what?
[04:52] <Ketrel> xchiamiov: damn, when I do that, it then says it can't copy some temp file, and xchiamiov: yes
[04:52] <agate> flaccid: to register nickname
[04:52] <alakhia> flaccid: and suspending also messed up networking for me. My hack was to do: /etc/inid.d/networking restart
[04:52] <flaccid> agate: /msg nickserv register <password>
[04:52] <xchiamiov> Ketrel: hmm, actually tested it myself and I get a 0KB file
[04:52] <agate> flaccid: thanks
[04:52] <flaccid> alakhia: have/did you find the interface going up/down a bit?
[04:53] <xchiamiov> Ketrel: but anyways, if you're downloading a bunch of images, there's a nifty extension called downloadthemall you might try
[04:53] <alakhia> flaccid: not sure how I would see that. I didn't run ifup or ifdown myself
[04:53] <flaccid> alakhia: knetworkmanager would notify
[04:53] <alakhia> flaccid: don't think it did that
[04:54] <flaccid> alakhia: look at the log now, note the last entry. then select the network in knetworkmanager and let me know what sort of messages go in the log
[04:54] <agate> how can i set a password?
[04:54] <Ketrel> xchiamiov: unfortunately they're not all on a page, I open the ones want normally and then drag to folder and close tab, and repeat
[04:54] <ppibburr> passwd
[04:55] <flaccid> agate: password for?
[04:55] <agate> flaccid: for my nick
[04:55] <joel> How do I become root in System Settings???
[04:55] <alakhia> flaccid: if my router reboots ... then I'll probably disappear from here as well
[04:55] <alakhia> but i'll be back
[04:55] <flaccid> agate: /msg nickserv set password <password>
[04:56] <flaccid> alakhia: ok. also what make/model is the router/ap ?
[04:56] <agate> thanks flaccid
[04:56] <flaccid> np
[04:56] <xchiamiov> Ketrel: yeah, I can't find anything, sorry
[04:56] <Ketrel> xchiamiov: no worries
[04:57] <Ketrel> it doesn't compare to my main problem
[04:57] <flaccid> joel: you can run system settings under root like this: kdesudo systemsettings -caption "%c" %i %m
[04:57] <Ketrel> which is that I fudged up my winxp machine with SP3
[04:57] <joel> flaccid, why kdesudo? why not sudo alone???
[04:57] <firecrotch> joel:  kdesudo is used for graphical applications, sudo should only be used on the command line
[04:57] <xchiamiov> joel: it's a good idea to use kdesudo for graphic apps
[04:57] <xchiamiov> ^^
[04:58] <joel> ohh
[04:58] <xchiamiov> otherwise it can screw with permissions and such
[04:58] <firecrotch> sudo, if I recall correctly, messes up file permissions
[04:58] <flaccid> yeah sudo is cli only. there are possible problems using it with gui apps
[04:58] <firecrotch> hehe I guess I recall correctly
[04:59] <joel> flaccid, I run kdesudo systemsettings -caption "%c" %i %m and receive a notification box that says Command not found
[05:00] <joel> flaccid, The help file says theres a "Administrator" button... But I can't find it anywhere....
[05:00] <ppibburr> its there :)
[05:00] <aaroncampbell> as per a suggestion in here, I used nvidia-settings to configure my dual screen setup.  Unfortunately, I can't seem to get it how I used to have it.  Now it's like one giant desktep (3360x1050), and it used to be two seperate desktops (1680x1050 & 1680x1050).  Any idea how I can do that again?)
[05:00] <joel> where?
[05:01] <ppibburr> just out of display on the widget
[05:01] <flaccid> joel: sorry there are quotes in there. kdesudo systemsettings should be suffice
[05:01] <alakhia_> am back
[05:01] <joel> flaccid, returns same error
[05:01] <ppibburr> i used to have to tab and guess my way to it, if you got the the same problem
[05:01] <flaccid> joel: if the admin button is gone on relevant snap ins, its most likely a bug
[05:02] <alakhia_> flaccid: only saw one line show up in /var/log/messages
[05:02] <joel> flaccid, yea must be a bug
[05:02] <flaccid> alakhia_: link not ready?
[05:02] <flaccid> joel: um kdesudo systemsettings should work
[05:02] <joel> nope
[05:02] <flaccid> joel: what does which systemsettings return ?
[05:02] <alakhia_> flaccid: dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth1 for sub-path eth1.dbus.get.reason
[05:03] <joel> I am coping and paste exactly what you typed
[05:03] <aaroncampbell> My xorg.conf: http://paste2.org/p/26024
[05:03] <joel> joel@BlackBird:~$ which systemsettings /usr/lib/kde4/bin/systemsettings
[05:03] <alakhia_> flaccid: any idea what is going on?
[05:03] <alakhia_> i have no clue
[05:04] <flaccid> joel: try kdesudo `which systemsettings`
[05:04] <joel> that worked :)
[05:04] <flaccid> cool
[05:06] <flaccid> alakhia_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dhcdbd/+bug/93360 and http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=opera&rls=en&hs=5GG&q=dhcdbd%3A+message_handler%3A+message+handler+not+found+under+%2Fcom%2Fredhat%2Fdhcp%2Feth1+for+sub-path+eth1.dbus.get.reason&btnG=Search
[05:09] <alakhia_> flaccid: so this is a known bug? can I do anything about it?
[05:11] <flaccid> alakhia_: don't think so until they fix the bug. the last comment on that bug report pretty much says it all
[05:14] <GothicD3vil> somebody here with compiz?
[05:17] <TerminalVelocity> how many out there use sudo instead of creating a separate root account?
[05:17] <hydrogen> lolwut?
[05:17] <flaccid> TerminalVelocity: hopefully everyone. root is there by default.
[05:17] <alakhia_> flaccid: ok, thanks for your help!
[05:18] <TerminalVelocity> flaccid: so, i've got a general sudo question...
[05:18] <alakhia_> wonder how it worked the first time ... i'll try reinstalling again. That's what I did when I upgraded to fiesty.
[05:18] <TerminalVelocity> if my regular account is comprimised by a hacker...then couldn't he/she use my password to gain access to sudo
[05:19] <flaccid> alakhia_: np
[05:19] <hydrogen> TerminalVelocity: yep
[05:19] <flaccid> TerminalVelocity: well if they have your password and you are in the admin group then they effectively  have sudo and root access and can also set/change the actual root password with sudo passwd root
[05:19] <hydrogen> TerminalVelocity: the thought is that it's a whole lot harder to bruteforce guess a username + password
[05:20] <hydrogen> then it is to just bruteforce guess a password
[05:20] <hydrogen> of course
[05:20] <hydrogen> it would be much easier just to disable remote root logins
[05:20] <TerminalVelocity> hydrogen: so, would it be better to disable sudo and set up a root account instead
[05:20] <hydrogen> no.
[05:20] <hydrogen> I just said why
[05:20] <flaccid> nope.
[05:20] <hydrogen> everyone knows the name of the root account
[05:20] <hydrogen> if you disabled remote root logins
[05:20] <hydrogen> then it would be exactly the same
[05:20] <hydrogen> security wise
[05:20] <flaccid> simply use a strong password and its about as secure as you can get. the point of failure is the password
[05:21] <hydrogen> well
[05:21] <hydrogen> and don't run a ssh daemon if you don't use it
[05:21] <flaccid> and/or consider using a strong vpn..
[05:24] <TerminalVelocity> hydrogen: how does one disable remote root logins
[05:25] <hydrogen> its some option in ssh_config
[05:25] <flaccid> http://www.go2linux.org/disable-ssh-root-direct-login
[05:25] <GothicD3vil> somebody with compiz here?
[05:25] <TerminalVelocity> flaccid: cool, thanks!!
[05:25] <flaccid> np
[05:30] <Nyad> Hi. I am using KDE3 and ive been fiddling with different themes and icon themes. but now when i boot, kicker doesnt start up automatically and when I try log out I can only log out, no restart or shutdown
[05:30] <flaccid> Nyad: are you still using kdm?
[05:30] <Nyad> eys
[05:30] <Nyad> yes
[05:31] <flaccid> but when you call kicker manually it works?
[05:32] <Nyad> it works, except when I click log out it only has has the logout option
[05:34] <flaccid> thats weird. those buttons only dissappear when you start X manually
[05:34] <flaccid> but you believe playing around with themese could of damages something?
[05:35] <Nyad> well thats the only thing I've done since then, but I did install kde-tweak last night and then I removed it
[05:35] <flaccid> what is kde-tweak?
[05:35] <flaccid> !info kde-tweak
[05:35] <flaccid> interesting
[05:36] <flaccid> Nyad: try for help in #kde , im not sure where to start with this one
[05:36] <Nyad> I found it useless
[05:36] <Nyad> ok thanks :)
[05:36] <flaccid> i guess its possible that it borked something which is unfortunate
[05:36] <Nyad> what do you mean borked?
[05:36] <flaccid> broken
[05:38] <firecrotch> Nyad:  can you give me the output of "groups" please?
[05:38] <firecrotch> Nyad:  I think you someone ended up out of the admins group
[05:39] <Nyad> ok how do I do that?
[05:39] <Nyad> $ groups?
[05:39] <firecrotch> yes
[05:39] <Nyad> jason adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev fuse lpadmin admin
[05:39] <firecrotch> Well that blows that theory...
[05:40] <firecrotch> Nyad:  Do you have kde4 installed at all?
[05:40] <firecrotch> or only kde3?
[05:40] <Nyad> only kde3
[05:41] <Nyad> it must be a problem induced by kde-tweak
[05:41] <firecrotch> I will see if kde-tweak does it to me
[05:42] <flaccid> yeah, similar comment on http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/tweaK?content=51170 about it - slightly dif but
[05:43] <firecrotch> flaccid:  I was just about to point to that lol
[05:44] <Nyad> it seems that has some of the solution
[05:45] <flaccid> Nyad: i reckon you disabled it in the panel tab of tweak then remove it
[05:45] <flaccid> you probably need to reinstall it and fix it up
[05:45] <flaccid> so edit the panel and global tabs of tweak which relate to your problem..
[05:47] <Nyad> flaccid: appears to have done it automatically but I will have to install it again to fix it like you said
[05:48] <Nyad> flaccid: ok kicker now starts up
[05:48] <Nyad> that site fixed it
[05:48] <flaccid> the site fixed it?
[05:48] <flaccid> what did you actually do
[05:48] <Nyad> delete the file in here ~/.kde/share/autostart
[05:49] <Nyad> but still no shutdown or restart in logout meny
[05:49] <Nyad> menu
[05:50] <flaccid> um, you don't want to delete the Autostart folder, but you can remove the scripts in it..
[05:50] <flaccid> and probably need to install tweak and re enable the buttons which is in the global panel
[05:50] <Nyad> I kept the folder, just delete the one file in it
[05:51] <flaccid> cool
[05:52] <firecrotch> Nyad:  Can you pastebin the contents of ~/.kde/share/config/ksmserverrc  please?
[05:52] <Nyad> ah heres the problem, kde-tweak, by default disables shutdown and restart from logout dialog
[05:52] <Nyad> problem fixed
[05:52] <Nyad> completely
[05:52] <firecrotch> Nyad:  And then uninstalling it of COURSE doesn't change it back like it should
[05:52] <flaccid> it does hmm
[05:53] <flaccid> uninstall shouldn't change it back nor should install
[05:53] <Nyad> still gotta test it
[05:54] <firecrotch> flaccid:  I think he's still gonna have problems
[05:54] <flaccid> maybe
[05:54] <aaroncampbell> as per a suggestion in here, I used nvidia-settings to configure my dual screen setup.  Unfortunately, I can't seem to get it how I used to have it.  Now it's like one giant desktep (3360x1050), and it used to be two seperate desktops (1680x1050 & 1680x1050).  Any idea how I can do that again?)
[05:54] <aaroncampbell> My xorg.conf: http://paste2.org/p/26024
[05:54] <flaccid> i think you are right about it doing it by default which is not good
[05:55] <firecrotch> Definitely not good
[05:55] <Nyad> I removed it and all is well
[05:55] <Nyad> the off and on was me logging out to test
[05:55] <firecrotch> Nyad: congrats
[05:55] <flaccid> i have not restarted kde yet but i goto the tweak applet and show turn off computer, restart buttons is unchecked!
[05:56] <Nyad> yeah they set that as the default
[05:56] <Nyad> well I must be off, thanks a ton guys
[05:56] <firecrotch> Nyad:  You're welcome
[05:56] <flaccid> well kde-tweak is reminding me of envy or automatix..
[05:56] <flaccid> np
[05:56] <firecrotch> flaccid:  I can't even figure out how to get into kde-tweak lol
[05:56] <flaccid> cia0
[05:57] <flaccid> firecrotch: its a kcontrol snap in
[05:57] <firecrotch> Ah
[05:57] <flaccid> :) i found that out by looking at the package contents lol
[05:58] <firecrotch> What the hell? Alt+F2 doesn't bring up the run dialog
[05:58] <flaccid> check shortcuts, maybe winkeys is on
[05:58] <firecrotch> It used to work just fine....
[05:59] <Nyad> you have to run,  tweak in the run menu. when you get that working that is
[05:59] <firecrotch> and wow, that is definitely a messed up default config for kde-tweak
[05:59] <flaccid> ah so you saying kde-tweak did it firecrotch?
[05:59] <flaccid> !kde-tweak
[06:00] <firecrotch> flaccid:  I'm not sure, I rarely use alt+f2 for anything
[06:00] <flaccid> !tweak
[06:00] <firecrotch> Last time I used it was when I was setting up compiz, which was.... a long time ago
[06:00] <flaccid> ubottu: check the shortcut?
[06:02] <firecrotch> Desktop: Run Command: Alt + F2
[06:02] <flaccid> what a rip!
[06:05] <firecrotch> Eh, no big deal, I never use it anyways
[06:06] <firecrotch> flaccid:  You use kde4 at all?
[06:08] <brinks> can I use synaptic to install madwifi for my toshiba laptop ? or do i use apt-get in a shell ?
[06:09] <davf> can anyone help me with a problem with sound only playing on one side? It only started after installing hardy.
[06:09] <firecrotch> brinks:  toshiba laptop? I'm the guy to ask here.  What model?
[06:09] <flaccid> firecrotch: yeah but its not good enough
[06:10] <firecrotch> flaccid:  any major problems?
[06:10] <flaccid> brinks: synaptic is fine
[06:10] <brinks> firecrotch a135 satallite 2426
[06:10] <flaccid> firecrotch: yeah
[06:10] <firecrotch> brinks:  What wireless card are you using?
[06:10] <flaccid> bugs + lack of features
[06:10] <firecrotch> flaccid:  Does it look pretty though?
[06:10] <brinks> firecrotch . it a built in card ?
[06:11] <flaccid> yeah it looks ok but its still early despite the fact its in prod
[06:11] <davf> Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)
[06:11] <firecrotch> brinks:  Yes, I need the model of it though.... from a terminal: lspci | grep 802.11
[06:12] <brinks> firecrotch.. ok but i will have to turn of this vista crap to dual boot back into linux..i can go to the toshiba site and find t
[06:12] <firecrotch> davf:  Check the settings in alsamixer
[06:13] <flaccid> davf: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[06:13] <flaccid> what a pain..
[06:13] <davf> I have and they act wierd if I move the slider on the bottom it changes the master volume
[06:13] <firecrotch> flaccid:  Most of that is fixed in Hardy
[06:13] <flaccid> half my help in this channel is just googling heh
[06:13] <flaccid> ah ok
[06:14] <firecrotch> brinks:  as long as I know what card it is, I can help you get it set up :)
[06:14] <brinks> firecrotch; gimme a second ok.. i am on a free lonpoc.CA` wireless , its slow as sh1t ..but free
[06:15] <firecrotch> brinks:  free is always good ;)
[06:15] <brinks> firecrotch: yes in school i got cable.. but free as you said .nice
[06:15] <davf> whats the name of the console app to control the mixing?
[06:16] <firecrotch> davf:  alsamixer
[06:21] <einar> hallo
[06:21] <brinks> firecrotch`: Integrated Wi-Fi compliant wireless: Atheros 802.11b/g wireless-LAN
[06:21] <dwidmann> hi
[06:22] <flaccid> hmm
[06:23] <flaccid> brinks: are you trying madwifi yet?
[06:23] <aaroncampbell> Wasn't there a emerald-themes package before?
[06:24] <KevInAlaska> hello everyone... :) On Hardy, I can't seem to find SMB and NFS to install through Adept... is this not the way to install it?
[06:24] <flaccid> aaroncampbell: probably
[06:24] <flaccid> !samba | KevInAlaska
[06:24] <flaccid> !nfs | KevInAlaska
[06:24] <aaroncampbell> flaccid: what happened to it?  I don't see it now
[06:25] <flaccid> aaroncampbell: what release are you on?
[06:25] <flaccid> brinks: http://madwifi.org/wiki/Compatibility/Atheros
[06:25] <brinks> flaccid: no i have just installed the kubuntu . and was reading about madwifi to fix the issue ? was wondering if it is in a package on ubuntu site before i make install etc
[06:25] <firecrotch> brinks:  madwifi will not work with that card
[06:25] <aaroncampbell> flaccid: hardy
[06:25] <flaccid> brinks: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Madwifi
[06:25] <flaccid> what model is the card sorry
[06:26] <KevInAlaska> thank you... :)
[06:26] <brinks> firecrotch.. ok where is my next help lol
[06:26] <firecrotch> brinks: wait, sorry, it may, actually.  I need the exact model number.  You can probably get it from the Vista Device Manager
[06:26] <brinks> firecrotch one second on my way to look .. brb
[06:26] <davf> ok... I think the problem is kdm mixer. How do I enable seperate channel volume control in kmx?
[06:27] <davf> sorry kmix
[06:27] <firecrotch> How can I run a second X server on a virtual terminal?
[06:28] <CYREX> startx
[06:28] <CYREX> i think thats what you mean
[06:28] <firecrotch> CYREX:  No that doesn't work, since X is running on tty7 already
[06:29] <flaccid> i think its something like startx -- :1
[06:29] <CYREX> yes
[06:29] <CYREX> thats why i said startx
[06:29] <CYREX> startx -- :1
[06:29] <CYREX> startx SPACE -- SPACE :1
[06:29] <CYREX> or :2
[06:29] <CYREX> or :x from 0 to 5 i think
[06:29] <flaccid> !enter | CYREX
[06:30] <firecrotch> Thanks guys!
[06:30] <flaccid> sorry..
[06:30] <CYREX> wasnt using at punctuation was just explaining better sorry
[06:30] <flaccid> all good. i do it  alot too
[06:31] <CYREX> btw how can i send a direct message to somebody
[06:31] <Souseiseki> hi
[06:31] <CYREX> like ubottu did right now
[06:31] <flaccid> CYREX: on irc?
[06:31] <Souseiseki> is there really a way I can have real 5.1 sound on my emu10k1?
[06:31] <CYREX> yes like that
[06:31] <CYREX> Sou: I tried the same
[06:31] <flaccid> a private message or get ubottu to do something?
[06:32] <CYREX> i have a 7.1 here but i cant get my audigy se to work, all speakers sound the same
[06:32] <Souseiseki> same :/
[06:32] <Souseiseki> but i have a live 5.1
[06:32] <CYREX> no i mean like what u just did, Red message
[06:32] <CYREX> new to irc sorry
[06:32] <flaccid> konversation hightlights you nickname in read automatically
[06:32] <flaccid> you can press tab to autocomplete nicknames
[06:33] <flaccid> * i mean highlights in red for you automatically
[06:33] <CYREX> woww nice
[06:33] <CYREX> omggg cool
[06:33] <CYREX> many thanks
[06:33] <flaccid> konversation is mad :)
[06:33] <flaccid> np
[06:33] <CYREX> flaccid: this rocks
[06:34] <Souseiseki> wish the wiki had some guide on getting 4/5.1/7.1 to work :/
[06:34] <CYREX> can you hear sound on all speakers?
[06:34] <Souseiseki> just the front two
[06:34] <davf> Ok, fixed that problem was that alsamixer shows no right channel but not in kmix.
[06:35] <CYREX> a ok let me go look what package i installed for that
[06:35] <CYREX> give me a sec
[06:35] <Souseiseki> but if i turn up the sigmatel surround slider the pcm gets cloned into the back
[06:35] <flaccid> !audigy
[06:35] <Souseiseki> but it is not controlled with the master volume
[06:35] <Souseiseki> it is cloned of the front two speakers and seems 'independent', not true 4/5.1
[06:35] <CYREX> ld10k1
[06:35] <CYREX> thats the one
[06:35] <davf> Anyone using a fingerprint reader with kubuntu?
[06:35] <Souseiseki> games like darkplaces and enemy territory quake wars detect only 2 speakers
[06:36] <CYREX> dependency with liblo10k1-0
[06:36] <flaccid> et uses OSS, not alsa that might be why
[06:36] <flaccid> whats darkplaces, just out of interest?
[06:36] <Souseiseki> some quake engine
[06:36] <Souseiseki> it has multi channel support for audio
[06:36] <Souseiseki> nexuiz uses it
[06:36] <Souseiseki> some game i'm making in the future also uses it
[06:37] <aaroncampbell> as per a suggestion in here, I used nvidia-settings to configure my dual screen setup.  Unfortunately, I can't seem to get it how I used to have it.  Now it's like one giant desktep (3360x1050), and it used to be two seperate desktops (1680x1050 & 1680x1050).  Any idea how I can do that again?) My xorg.conf: http://paste2.org/p/26024
[06:37] <flaccid> nexuiz is cool...
[06:37] <flaccid> aaroncampbell: did you try #nvidia .. some guys there if awake are good at that
[06:37] <Souseiseki> i did do some things for 2.4 if you noticed the new nex beam and sparks ;D heh
[06:37] <flaccid> ah sick Souseiseki!
[06:38] <flaccid> Souseiseki: whats the component in nexuiz that enables the dif binaries for dif platforms/os ?
[06:38] <flaccid> sorry to be OT.
[06:38] <CYREX> btw, anybody know what the new way of doing dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is
[06:38] <Souseiseki> no idea
[06:38] <CYREX> since that wont configure the resolution and video card
[06:38] <flaccid> nw
[06:39] <CYREX> i mean not anymore
[06:39] <flaccid> CYREX: new way? whats your actual issue sir?
[06:39] <giacomo> !it
[06:40] <CYREX> for instance, i install the nvidia drivers, but sometimes the resolutions are not right, so i xserver-xorg and i can configure the video card and resolutions for the xorg.conf
[06:41] <flaccid> CYREX: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg should allow you to select resolutions otherwise, you can do the system settings gui or manual edit of xorg.conf
[06:41] <CYREX> but now, i install the nvidia glx and i get the "ideal resolutions" that rand thinks are good, which they are not, so i do xserver-xorg but it wont work
[06:41] <CYREX> thats what i tried
[06:41] <flaccid> where is the driver from and how recent is the video card?
[06:42] <CYREX> there was this console gui windows thing that pop when i did xserver-xorg in 7.10 but now it does no work. nvidia 6800, and i use the nvidia-glx that are right now in the repos
[06:42] <flaccid> which release of ubuntu?
[06:43] <firecrotch> Note to self: don't run multiple X servers.
[06:43] <CYREX> i have to do a X -config, go edit the xorg, test it out then copy it to the X11 place
[06:43] <CYREX> kubuntu 8.04
[06:43] <flaccid> CYREX: before we proceed, can you run kdesudo restricted-manager-kde and let me know what is there?
[06:44] <CYREX> well dont have that install
[06:45] <flaccid> CYREX: sorry i think you can get to it in system settings without installing it.
[06:45] <CYREX> btw i have the nvidia configure right, my question is only that if there is an alternative to xserver-xorg right now, something that does the same
[06:46] <CYREX> yes found it
[06:46] <CYREX> i thought it sounded familiar
[06:46] <flaccid> well no there is no alternative to it besides what i mentioned
[06:48] <CYREX> ok then, another question for the nvidia stuff, got some new linux users that install the nvidia package from the nvidia site, this package works well the minute you install it BUT after you reset the pc the xorg gives the "nvidia driver is not found" any ideas what is missing, not configure right, whoops forgot it also mentions that the kernel does not have the same version, but when i check it does have it
[06:48] <flaccid> well there is the nvidia-config / nvidia-xconfig binaries which i think can do res for xorg.conf - can't exactly remember
[06:49] <CYREX> nvidia-xconfig yes, configures the xorg
[06:49] <flaccid> hmmm if installed correctly the kernel mod should be there and be persistent. thats a bit of a weird one hmmm
[06:50] <CYREX> also install the nvidia dev package that the nvidia package needed, but that didnt help either...well just making a conversation, thanks for the tip about xserver
[06:51] <flaccid> so what does restricted manager say about the video atm?
[06:51] <Souseiseki> cool hardware midi is working
[06:51] <CYREX> give me sec ill tell you
[06:52] <CYREX> all speakers?
[06:54] <CYREX> nvidia device driver, currently on use
[06:54] <CYREX> activated
[06:54] <CYREX> all good in the restricted
[06:56] <flaccid> CYREX: and are you telling me that the system settings | display and monitor won't let you change the resolution?
[06:57] <CYREX> no no all good flaccid thanks, just wanted to know another way of configuring the monito/video card
[06:58] <flaccid> cool
[07:06] <KevInAlaska> anyone know about file sharing with Kubuntu (hardy) and a macbook (leopard)?
[07:06] <KevInAlaska> might I add.. simple home network
[07:06] <areels> what is the best jabber server for kubuntu?
[07:13] <firecrotch> KevInAlaska:  You'll probably want to use Samba
[07:14] <zeeon> is it possible to download/install konsole used in kde4 on kde 3.5.9 ?
[07:14] <KevInAlaska> firecrotch thank you, I installed samba through apt-get, just need to figure out how to see the files and share them.
[07:15] <CYREX> there is a file in /etc/samba
[07:15] <CYREX> i think is there
[07:15] <CYREX> smb.conf
[07:16] <CYREX> dont remember right now, thats the file you configure
[07:16] <firecrotch> KevInAlaska: http://kubuntu101.blogspot.com/2005/11/how-to-share-files-using-samba.html
[07:16] <firecrotch> Easiest way to set it up
[07:16] <CYREX> OR you can try firecrotch's Excellent link guid
[07:16] <CYREX> whcih includes pics and all to setup samba..try it for FREE
[07:17] <flaccid> !samba | KevInAlaska
[07:20] <ere4si> !cifs
[07:22] <KevInAlaska> firecrotch, thank you for the link. I am reading it now.
[07:22] <firecrotch> KevInAlaska:  you're welcome!
[07:23] <firecrotch> It's pretty much as simple as it is in Windows to share files/folders over a network now
[07:46] <arno> wenn ich per ssh auf 1 System draufkomme,aber nicht nach draussen pingen kann,wobei iptables leer ist,wo würdet ihr ansetzt
[07:47] <mefisto__> has anyone experienced this problem with hardy: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=677329   ??
[07:47] <flaccid> !de | arno
[07:48] <flaccid> mefisto__: hmm is there a bug on launchpad yet?
[07:49] <mefisto__> flaccid: I have no idea. I don't know how to search for bugs effectively
[07:59] <GothicD3vil> can somebody explain me for what is snort
[08:00] <ere4si> !info snort | GothicD3vil
[08:01] <GothicD3vil> which one is better the snort only or mysql and pgsql?
[08:02] <ere4si> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snort_(software)
[08:02] <GothicD3vil> thanks
[08:03] <raket> hey folks, my laptop won't recognize the livecd of Kubuntu, so how can I boot into it? under windows there was a nice option to add Kubuntu as a choice of OS in the F8 menu.. is there something similar under Kubuntu? No I don
[08:03] <raket> 't have a floppy drive
[08:04] <raket> hey folks, my laptop won't recognize the livecd of Kubuntu, so how can I boot into it? under windows there was a nice option to add Kubuntu as a choice of OS in the F8 menu.. is there something similar under Kubuntu? No I don
[08:04] <raket> [03:03] <raket> 't have a floppy drive
[08:04] <raket> ooops!
[08:05] <mistiipu>  i just got a crossover connection for a pc (for internet sharing) got working. i just change the other pc by an other and it stoped working. it says a network cable is unpluged. why is that so?
[08:05] <mefisto__> raket: do other bootable CDs boot up? maybe your CD didn't download correctly, or didn't burn properly
[08:05] <ere4si> raket: you need to set the bios to boot from the cd before the hard drive
[08:06] <raket> mefisto__ and ere4si, yes I am aware of all that, but Kubuntu still won't boot up. other cds work
[08:06] <raket> it is an old bios maybe
[08:07] <firecrotch> raket:  Are you sure the CD burned with no errors?
[08:07] <ere4si> raket: done the md5 check on the c?
[08:07] <raket> firecrotch: I already installed Kubuntu with no problem
[08:07] <ere4si> *cd
[08:07] <raket> I just wanted to reinstall it
[08:07] <raket> (don't ask why)
[08:08] <raket> but before I used the "help kubuntu boot" option through windows
[08:08] <mefisto__> raket: how are you burning the CD? k3b does a md5sum check on the iso. other than the download having errors, it might be the CD that's faulty. k3b can also verify the CD data is the same as the iso you downloaded
[08:09] <raket> mefisto__: I already did check the md5sum and the CD for errors, trust me it is all good
[08:09] <GothicD3vil> ere4si can you give me a little help in that which one is better?
[08:09] <mefisto__> raket: does the CD work on other computers?
[08:09] <raket> yes!
[08:09] <raket> :)
[08:10] <raket> I should've add that
[08:10] <ere4si> GothicD3vil: nope - I don't use them - sorry - but have heard snort is ok
[08:11] <mefisto__> raket: then I would try burning on different media. or maybe see if there is a firmware upgrade for the CD drive you are using
[08:12] <mil> is there anybody in there?
[08:12] <ere4si> raket: next is to try another cd in the drive - the cd drive could be the issue
[08:13] <raket> I've already tried using a flash drive on my laptop, and it doesn't work. my desktop PC recognizes it and boots with no problem...
[08:13] <mil> i need a good IDE for C language , can some1 recomand?
[08:13] <mil> ???
[08:14] <firecrotch> raket:  You have windows installed, correct? I think there may be a problem with your CD drive
[08:14] <flaccid> mil: eclipse
[08:14] <ere4si> is there an ide for c - I thought gcc was all there was?
[08:14] <raket> ere4si: I've already tried my DVD that came with the laptop from toshiba, and it works... firecrotch, no I have Kubuntu right now
[08:15] <flaccid> gcc is a compiler not an ide
[08:15] <mefisto__> raket: I've had old CD drives not recognising newer CDs, after finding a firmware upgrade it was able to work with more blank/burned CDs. but there is the risk the firmware upgrade can totally screw the drive
[08:15] <raket> what about Smart Boot Manager?
[08:16] <firecrotch> raket:  What model toshiba laptop is it?
[08:16] <firecrotch> err nevermind
[08:16] <ere4si> raket: if the cd is ok - the drive is ok - your bios is set to boot from the cd first then the os should load - tyhere is no problem
[08:16] <firecrotch> wait.... the toshiba laptop you mentioned... that's the computer we're talking about, right?
[08:16] <firecrotch> excuse my lack of sense right now, no sleep
[08:16] <raket> firecrotch: yes
[08:17] <firecrotch> What model is it?
[08:17] <raket> ere4si: I like your reasoning. it's perfectly wrong
[08:17] <raket> lemme see
[08:17] <ere4si> thank you :)
[08:17] <mistiipu>  i just got a crossover connection for a pc (for internet sharing) got working. i just change the other pc by an other and it stoped working. it says a network cable is unpluged. why is that so?
[08:17] <raket> Satellite A65-S1068
[08:18] <flaccid> mistiipu: its more likely hardware problem
[08:18] <fildo> or a user one
[08:19] <firecrotch> mistiipu:  which machine says that the cable is unplugged?
[08:19] <mistiipu> firecrotch the new one
[08:19] <firecrotch> Running Kubuntu?
[08:20] <raket> Smart Boot Manager is what I used when I was switching from window, so this is from its readme:
[08:20] <flaccid> mistiipu: the links lights work and the other OS has a link?
[08:20] <raket> What's the use of SBM on the CD then ?
[08:20] <raket>   SBM includes an IDE driver that allows us to boot the cds even on
[08:20] <raket>   machines with a BIOS that wouldn't support booting from CD, provided our
[08:20] <raket>   CDROM is an IDE one, that is, so you can make a SBM floppy and boot from
[08:20] <raket>   it and then tell it to boot from your CDROM.
[08:20] <raket>   Also, there are some cases where the BIOS would allow booting from the CD
[08:20] <raket>   but isolinux fails to boot from there, in this case you can either boot
[08:20] <raket>   using a CD other than the first, as the others don't use isolinux, or you
[08:20] <raket>   can make a SBM floppy and boot from this floppy and then tell SBM to boot
[08:20] <raket>   your CDROM.
[08:21] <flaccid> pastebin | raket
[08:21] <flaccid> !pastebin > raket
[08:21] <mistiipu> flaccid it says cable unpluged
[08:21] <mistiipu>  it was working for a pc before. with same settings. i changed the pc. and it stoped working............
[08:21] <raket> ok you! :)
[08:21] <flaccid> mistiipu: well hardware is known to die
[08:21] <mistiipu> what?
[08:21] <flaccid> buy a switch and use a normal cable if possible
[08:22] <flaccid> mistiipu: cables and network cards don't last forever..
[08:22] <mistiipu> flaccid the lan card will be the same.
[08:22] <firecrotch> raket:  can you give me the output of lspci that pertains to your CD-ROM drive?
[08:22] <raket> firecrotch: how do I get that?
[08:23] <raket> (by the way that's a DVD-ROM)
[08:23] <mistiipu> how to clear arp. do i need that?
[08:24] <flaccid> mistiipu: why do you need to clear the arp cache?
[08:24] <flaccid> thats not going to give you a link
[08:25] <firecrotch> raket: To be honest, I don't know how to get the info about the DVD-ROM drive from in Linux.... never had to do it before, but I'm trying to figure it out now
[08:25] <mistiipu> flaccid i changed pcs
[08:25] <raket> honesty is good. :)
[08:25] <flaccid> mistiipu: no need to ever clear arp really
[08:25] <flaccid> mistiipu: http://www.wplug.org/pipermail/wplug/2004-July/022560.html
[08:25] <raket> firecrotch: I think the answer is Smart Boot Manager
[08:26] <raket> i just have to figure out how to use it
[08:26] <firecrotch> raket:  No, I think the problem is you have a crappy DVD drive, like mine
[08:26] <firecrotch> I have a toshiba satellite, and I *always* have problems booting from CD's that I've burned
[08:27] <raket> haha
[08:27] <flaccid> yeah optical drives are not that reliable either
[08:27] <raket> I even had problem booting into a windows cd... although the toshiba DVD still works, weirdly enough
[08:27] <firecrotch> Could be that the CD laser is out of alignment
[08:28] <firecrotch> While the DVD laser is fine
[08:29] <raket> firecrotch: I actually cleaned it with a qtip and some alcohol... it reads CDs/DVDs nicely in any OS, but it has trouble booting them
[08:29] <killer88> hello is there a way to add resolutions inside kubuntu Confige Desktop?
[08:29] <raket> now, how do I install rpm files?
[08:29] <firecrotch> You don't
[08:29] <xiongchiamiov> raket: you need alien
[08:29] <raket> I found Smart Boot Manager on SourceForge
[08:29] <ere4si> !alien
[08:30] <xiongchiamiov> but I wouldn't recommend it
[08:30] <raket> so what should I do!?
[08:30] <xiongchiamiov> there are all sorts of useful triggers here, aren't there?
[08:30] <mistiipu> what i think now  is that. my pc. server. has saved some settings related to the old pc. and when i try to connect the new pc with same wire but (new pc has different lan card) it dont allows it?
[08:30] <xiongchiamiov> raket: I'm assuming there is no .deb file
[08:30] <raket> no
[08:30] <xiongchiamiov> raket: they provide source though, right?
[08:30] <firecrotch> raket:  I would compile it over using alien any day of the week
[08:30] <raket> here
[08:31] <raket> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=4185&package_id=4201&release_id=25481
[08:31] <raket> I think they do
[08:31] <xiongchiamiov> raket: grab the .tar.gz
[08:31] <raket> ok
[08:31] <xiongchiamiov> raket: you know how to install from source?
[08:32] <raket> I vaguelly remember
[08:32] <raket> but not really
[08:32] <killer88> ne one know how to add section in configure desktop that allows changing the resolution??
[08:32] <xiongchiamiov> raket: http://monkeyblog.org/ubuntu/installing/#source
[08:32] <raket> ok
[08:36] <killer88> ne one know how to add section in configure desktop that allows changing the resolution??
[08:37] <mefisto__> add section in configure desktop?
[08:38] <killer88> yes
[08:38] <killer88> is not there
[08:39] <mefisto__> killer88: what are you talking about? what is "configure desktop" that you want to add to?
[08:39] <killer88> there is no place in kubuntu to change resolution i guess
[08:39] <killer88> using nvidia driver
[08:40] <mefisto__> killer88: systemsettings > monitor and display
[08:41] <killer88> ok lol no effect
[08:42] <raket> alright, I've been trying to complie from source for awhile now
[08:42] <killer88> it ask if i want to keep the setting with no resolution changes
[08:42] <raket> I went to the correct directory
[08:42] <killer88> ok brb
[08:42] <raket> and I enter ./configure
[08:42] <firecrotch> raket:  dependency problems?
[08:42] <raket> and it says "no such file or directory"
[08:42] <mefisto__> killer88: there's also krandrtray, but sounds like your xorg.conf needs tweaking
[08:43] <raket> I also installed build-essential
[08:43] <raket> and nothing
[08:44] <raket> any ideas?
[08:44] <ere4si> can you paste the output of   ls -a   of that dir?
[08:45] <firecrotch> there's no configure script
[08:45] <raket> ok
[08:45] <firecrotch> raket:  read the INSTALL file
[08:45] <robf_> raket, firecrotch or it's not got executable permissions =s  although that'd be odd
[08:46] <firecrotch> robf_:  It doesn't have the file.... I downloaded it :)
[08:46] <robf_> ah ok
[08:46] <robf_> just good to be sure :p
[08:46] <raket> so what to do now?
[08:46] <raket> maybe use the rpm!?
[08:46] <firecrotch> NO
[08:46] <robf_> hahah
[08:46] <raket> :)
[08:46] <firecrotch> Read the INSTALL file
[08:46] <raket> ok ok
[08:46] <robf_> try this '$  cat INSTALL'
[08:46] <robf_> or less... or whatever you prefer
[08:47] <firecrotch> more!
[08:47] <robf_> firecrotch: gross.
[08:47] <Choreboy> Can anyone tell me how to get write privileges to lilo.conf file? I need to modify it so I can boot to XP also
[08:47] <firecrotch> robf_:  Just kidding, I hate more
[08:47] <robf_> Choreboy: be root and make it so
[08:47] <robf_> firecrotch: I hate more more
[08:47] <Choreboy> I haven't been able to log in to root from the login screen
[08:47] <firecrotch> robf_:  I hate more less... more or less
[08:47] <robf_> Choreboy: sudo -i
[08:47] <ere4si> kdesudo kate /path/to/file
[08:48] <robf_> heh I gotta get used to telling people the wm/DE way to do things ><
[08:48] <robf_> gentoo usage makes my brain think only in console
[08:48] <firecrotch> robf_:  Yeah
[08:48] <ere4si> sudo nano would do as well
[08:49] <firecrotch> robf_:  My brain has been in console since I started with Linux almost 3 years ago... I started with Gentoo
[08:49] <robf_> firecrotch: I run KDE so I can use konsole
[08:49] <robf_> :-\
[08:49] <Choreboy> would my file path be /root/etc/lilo.conf ?
[08:49] <robf_> Choreboy: /boot/lilo/lilo.conf or /boot/lilo.conf
[08:49] <robf_> also depending on how you set yours up,  or whatever you're using,   you may wish to mount boot first... if it isn't
[08:49] <robf_> mine doesn't on boot.
[08:49] <ere4si> Choreboy: more like /boot/lilo/lilo.conf - browse to it first
[08:50] <Choreboy> my lilo.conf is inside the /etc
[08:50] <robf_> Choreboy: really?  strange,  I've not used lilo in years
[08:50] <robf_> any reason you're not using grub?
[08:50] <robf_> just wondering.
[08:50] <Choreboy> XFS file system
[08:50] <ere4si> Choreboy: then try   locate lilo.conf
[08:50] <robf_> a form of self flaggelation?
[08:50] <robf_> ah ok
[08:50] <Choreboy> GRUB hangs when you use XFS
[08:50] <robf_> Choreboy: first 'sudo updatedb'
[08:51] <robf_> Choreboy: yeh
[08:51] <robf_> when is kde gonna get a clippy so we can just ask it where stuff is =)
[08:51]  * robf_ hides.
[08:51] <ere4si> hehe
[08:51] <ere4si> !grub
[08:51]  * firecrotch falls out of chair laughing
[08:52] <robf_> also Choreboy http://www.mail-archive.com/bug-grub@gnu.org/msg10770.html
[08:53] <Choreboy> robf_: thanks, that may be too advance for me at the moment
[08:54] <Choreboy> robf_: I'm still getting my feet wet with *nix
[08:54] <robf_> heh,
[08:54] <robf_> why'd you choose xfs,  just wondering.
[08:54] <Choreboy> just heard it had a higher throughput rate and I'll take any performance advantage I can get on this old beast
[08:54] <robf_> hahah I doubt it'll be noticeable
[08:55] <Choreboy> meh probably not. I HAD Xubuntu on here to try to keep it even lighter
[08:55] <robf_> unless you're doing a lot of drive hammering which if its a archiac piece,  prolly won't be able to do anything that'd actually get performance results from it
[08:55] <robf_> Choreboy: want some pain?   install gentoo on a p 133
[08:56] <Choreboy> hahahaa no thanks
[08:56] <Choreboy> although on something that old Gentoo might be the way to go
[08:56] <robf_> sleep,  look,  compiling,  work, sleep,  look, compiling,  work, look, sleep,  compiling...
[08:56] <Choreboy> I heard it compiles for like 3 days
[08:56] <robf_> 1 week later,  you have a functional desktop
[08:56] <robf_> on a p133 it would
[08:56] <Choreboy> oh my
[08:56] <robf_> well for kde et al
[08:56] <robf_> although it'd be hard to use
[08:57] <Choreboy> well it's either that or Windows 3.1 :-)
[08:57] <robf_> psht,  98 will run on it
[08:57] <Choreboy> for something that old
[08:57] <raket> firecrotch: how do I add the UCL library(http://wildsau.idv.uni-linz.ac.at/mfx/ucl.html) ?
[08:57] <Choreboy> Why would you bother with something so old? No money for anything better?
[08:57] <robf_> hahah
[08:58] <robf_> I dunno
[08:58] <Choreboy> lol I think I've seen some free computers on craigslist that were better specs
[08:58] <ere4si> they make ok gateways
[08:58] <robf_> because it was sitting in my floor collecting dust
[08:58] <firecrotch> raket: sudo apt-get install libucl
[08:58] <raket> cool
[08:58] <Choreboy> should be in a museum getting ooohs and aaaahs from kids who know not of anything before P4
[08:58] <robf_> this box is a q6600 C2Q oc@2.95ghz x 435FSB ,  4gb 1600 DD3 2xHD3870 ATI crossfired,
[08:59] <Choreboy> I would love something with good specs but I got downsized so a new computer is not high priority
[08:59] <robf_> on an asus maximus extreme mobo
[08:59] <Choreboy> q6600 is quad right?
[08:59] <robf_> yep
[08:59] <firecrotch> raket:  Actually I think libucl1 is the one you're looking for... that link that you pasted is broken...
[09:00] <Choreboy> that's some mighty fine specs indeed. I think I might stay in my apartment if I had that
[09:00] <robf_> http://www.maj.com/gallery/robeph/robf/02-11-08_2123-2.jpg bad pic but this is her.
[09:00] <Choreboy> I do wishlist builds on newegg all the time
[09:00] <Choreboy> they usually end up similar to that
[09:00] <robf_> heh,  I did that,  and then bought it over about 2 months
[09:00] <raket> firecrotch: libucl1 is already the newest version.
[09:00] <robf_> christmas assisted
[09:01] <robf_> has nine fans and is a horrible dustmagnet ,  I use dryer sheets over the intakes to keep that rot out
[09:01] <firecrotch> raket:  Hmm... then it must be a different library
[09:01] <raket> hold on, I might be able to install this
[09:02] <Choreboy> nine loud fans? dryer sheets would make it smell lovely
[09:03] <firecrotch> raket: libuclmmbase1 is the package
[09:03] <robf_> hahah it sucks the smell outta the sheets in about 45 minutes...  http://www.maj.com/gallery/robeph/Misc/photo_72.jpg  here's an archaic piece of electronics for ya,  running redhate at that time,  gentoo was a chore on it as well
[09:03] <raket> ok
[09:04] <firecrotch> raket:  You might also need libuclmmbase1-dev
[09:04] <robf_> http://www.maj.com/gallery/robeph/Misc/random_stuff_023.jpg and another... it's down at the bottom
[09:04] <robf_> what're you trying to build anyhow raket
[09:05] <Choreboy> robf_: beauty.
[09:05] <Choreboy> Anyway what was the command for kate to open that file? I got it wrong and Konsole yelled at me
[09:05] <flaccid> dlink ouch
[09:05] <robf_> Choreboy: kate?
[09:05] <flaccid> Choreboy: kate filename
[09:05] <raket> robf_: don't ask! :)
[09:06] <robf_> gvim > kate
[09:06] <flaccid> if the file location has spaces enclose in "
[09:06] <ere4si> kdesudo kate /path/to/file
[09:06] <robf_> or file\ with\ spaces
[09:06] <ere4si> hehe
[09:06] <Choreboy> raket: what model DLINK? I just hacked mine with a firmware from one of their new generations
[09:06] <Choreboy> same chipset.
[09:07] <Choreboy> I also put DD-WRT on a Linksys someone gave me but I could only do the Micro version
[09:07] <firecrotch> Ouch, DD-WRT Micro sucks :(
[09:08] <flaccid> i run wrt-54gl w/ dd-wrt vpn
[09:08] <raket> Choreboy: what!?
[09:08] <raket> :)
[09:08] <Choreboy> raket:
[09:08] <robf_> heh we installed asterisk on a wrt54g
[09:08] <Choreboy> raket: what what?
[09:08] <raket> haha, you used my nick by mistake
[09:08] <crazy_bus> I'm looking for a old second hand video card for my young brother.  I was looking at a GeForce4 Ti4400 and a ATI 9250.  Which of these would work best on kubuntu?
[09:08] <Choreboy> firecrotch: I assume Micro is better than OEM firmware on it
[09:09] <robf_> oh Choreboy ya talking bout in that pic?
[09:09] <firecrotch> Choreboy:  True
[09:10] <flaccid> robf_: how did it go?
[09:10] <robf_> flaccid: asterisk?
[09:10] <flaccid> crazy_bus: i recommend the nvidia
[09:10] <flaccid> yeah
[09:10] <robf_> flaccid: heh well it was with some digium guys,
[09:10] <robf_> flaccid: so it was really hackedu p,  but it worked
[09:10] <flaccid> ok fair enough :)
[09:10] <robf_> had a sipura connected and it was changed to adhoc
[09:10] <raket> firecrotch: I still haven't built btmgr
[09:10] <robf_> so you could make phone calls from it with it in your backpack hooked up to a battery ;p
[09:11] <robf_> if you were in range of a AP
[09:11] <firecrotch> raket:  Still having problems ??
[09:11] <raket> I can't install it, some errors show up
[09:11] <robf_> pastbin em
[09:11] <raket> did you install it by any chance?
[09:11] <Choreboy> robf_: No protocol specified &  kdesudo: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[09:11] <firecrotch> raket: I didn't install it, no
[09:11] <robf_> Choreboy:  eh?
[09:12] <robf_> Choreboy: for what...
[09:12] <Choreboy> kate & the lilo.conf file
[09:12] <flaccid> nice robf
[09:12] <robf_> o
[09:12] <robf_> heh ,
[09:12] <flaccid> Choreboy: try doing it from alt+f2 . seems that its having troubles
[09:12] <firecrotch> raket:  Did you do what the INSTALL file said and edit the makefile ?
[09:12] <crazy_bus> flaccid: so the legacy binary driver for nvidia would be better than the open source reverse engendered ati?
[09:12] <robf_> Choreboy: I dunno,  I'm not good with guis...  just sudo nano -w /etc/lilo.conf
[09:13] <robf_> crazy_bus: I run 2x hd3870 ati's with no probs
[09:13] <robf_> kde4/kubuntu
[09:13] <flaccid> crazy_bus: well fglrx would be better than the xorg ati but nvidia generally is better imo in terms of support (even though im on ati atm)
[09:13] <crazy_bus> flaccid: so they support legacy cards?
[09:14] <robf_> crazy_bus: nvidia driver = same for I think everything but the old riva/tnt card
[09:14] <flaccid> there is nvidia-legacy if needed
[09:14] <flaccid> nvidia-glx-legacy
[09:14] <flaccid> but the normal one or even the glx-new should work
[09:14] <robf_> but if you're running something that old,   you're not gonna wanna even use kde ;p
[09:14] <Choreboy> robf_: I'm not confident enough to try to manuever around in Konsole with that file
[09:14] <robf_> Choreboy: how not?  it's no different than in a window
[09:14] <raket> here
[09:14] <raket> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10694/
[09:15] <robf_> Choreboy: nano is like kate in a console heh...sorta...well not really,  but it's easy
[09:15] <raket> flaccid: that http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org doesn't work anymore
[09:15] <Choreboy> robf_: it gave me a bunch of options I am not familiar with, I'm much more comfortable opening a text file, editing it, then saving it.
[09:15] <robf_> what options?
[09:16] <Choreboy> oh my, let me look again
[09:16] <robf_> just edit it,  hit ctrl-x to quit/save
[09:16] <flaccid> Choreboy: so did you try alt+f2 instead?
[09:16] <robf_> make sure ya use nano -w ,  not just nano,  or it may wrap things ;p
[09:16] <robf_> flaccid: don't do that to him
[09:16] <Choreboy> it didn't let me IN it, I had to choose one of the options before it opened the file
[09:16] <robf_> huh
[09:16] <robf_> expound.
[09:16] <Choreboy> let me do it again and then I can tell you what it says hold please
[09:17] <robf_> lol @ konversation
[09:17] <robf_> You are attempting to paste a large portion of text (67 bytes or 2 lines) into the chat. This can cause connection resets or flood kills. Do you really want to continue?
[09:17] <robf_> raket: why'd you try to install it after it failed make :p
[09:18] <raket> because I don't know what am I doing!?
[09:18] <raket> :)
[09:18] <robf_> raket: I tend to do make && make install,   so it will install on pass.
[09:18] <robf_> if it doesn't make it doesn't install
[09:18] <raket> I see...
[09:18] <flaccid> i tend to verify make first before install
[09:18] <raket> so what could be the problem?
[09:18] <robf_> flaccid: well,  I am :p
[09:18] <raket> I don't understand all that jargon yet
[09:18] <robf_> just install if it actually makes
[09:19] <raket> oh
[09:19] <Choreboy> robf_: http://pastebin.com/d2017a900
[09:19] <raket> I meant the pasted stuff
[09:19] <robf_> && means perform the next command if previous completes with success
[09:19] <robf_> oh.
[09:19] <raket> as in, why it didn't "make"
[09:19] <raket> ?
[09:19] <flaccid> robf_: i don't think its 100% reliable, thus the visual check, i could be wrong but
[09:19] <robf_> see those ERRORS?
[09:19] <robf_> symbol undefined
[09:19] <robf_> something isn't there.
[09:19] <flaccid> robf_: doesn't consider logical problems
[09:20] <flaccid> or mismatch in versions in the build suit or something
[09:20] <raket> yes of course
[09:20] <Choreboy> I don't see errors. I don't know enough to see them :-(
[09:20] <robf_> flaccid: let me rephrase,  something it is expecting,  isn't there,  version notwithstanding
[09:20] <robf_> Choreboy: that is lilo
[09:20] <robf_> .conf
[09:20] <robf_> it'll look the same in kate save the small lil "menu" at the bottom
[09:20] <Choreboy> I opened lilo.conf with Kate and it was much larger
[09:21] <robf_> you can scroll down =\
[09:21] <robf_> try "pgdn" ;)
[09:21] <flaccid> yeah thats a good explanation
[09:21] <firecrotch> raket:  It looks like make succeeded.  Try "sudo make install"
[09:21] <Choreboy> oh my. pagedown indeed.
[09:21] <robf_> make[1]: *** [edd30.bin] Error 1
[09:21] <raket> I tried, it seems that I get the same result
[09:21] <robf_> that did NOT make
[09:21] <robf_> thats a failure
[09:22] <flaccid> well fix up this problem i guess first: make[1]: sgml2html: Command not found
[09:22] <flaccid> !find sgml2html
[09:22] <robf_> Choreboy: :p it has no implicit scrollies... except for the console itself
[09:22] <raket> well what do you suggest? I see the errors...
[09:22] <flaccid> dontl know where that binary is to come from..
[09:22] <robf_> Choreboy: the xterm doesn't know about the filesize in the editor,  or even that an editor is there.
[09:22] <Choreboy> ok I've made my changes, how do I save? just exit?
[09:22] <robf_> ctrl-x
[09:22] <robf_> and follow the prompts
[09:22] <robf_> simple as such
[09:22] <firecrotch> raket: I hate to suggest this... but try the RPM with alien
[09:22] <raket> there's also a source rpm
[09:23] <raket> is that any better?
[09:23] <robf_> heh
[09:23] <robf_> I hate rpms
[09:23] <robf_> also,  its assembly... why oh why
[09:23] <robf_> I'd not even try to look at src and try to figure what it was wanting
[09:23] <Choreboy> OK I think I've done what needs to be done, I'll need to restart to check. I have a feeling you'll see me back here soon :-)
[09:23] <Choreboy> but if not, thanks!
[09:23] <robf_> Choreboy: no worries,  good luck
[09:24] <raket> robf_: were you typing to me?
[09:24] <robf_> raket: yep
[09:24] <robf_> raket: edd30.asm is assembler.
[09:24] <raket> so ignore the source rpm...
[09:24] <robf_> oh ,   I hate rpms in general and steer clear of them,  even if it takes much longer than if I didn't.
[09:24] <robf_> and you can safely ignore my pleas for you to nopt use them
[09:25] <firecrotch> Sadly this is one of the major downfalls of Linux... :(
[09:25] <flaccid> what is the downfall exactlysorry?
[09:25] <firecrotch> Different package formats
[09:25] <flaccid> im not sure how that is a downfall but yeah
[09:25] <robf_> it's not a different package format,  it's improper in all ways!
[09:26] <firecrotch> all of the different distros REALLY need to get on the same page and use ONE FORMAT
[09:26] <robf_> and that is that
[09:26] <robf_> firecrotch: lol@nomoredistros!
[09:26] <flaccid> linux is just a kernel..
[09:26] <robf_> flaccid: yeah but a distro is package management
[09:26] <crazy_bus> the driver select on nvidia's page only lists geforce4mx's.  Not geforce4ti's.  Should this worry me?
[09:26] <flaccid> thats why distros exist. its not one userland. an OS like freebsd however ...
[09:26] <robf_> crazy_bus: nope
[09:26] <flaccid> robf_: nah distro is mainly userland implementatin
[09:26] <robf_> crazy_bus: they typically all use the same thing anyhow ,  regardless of what you choose
[09:27] <mefisto__> there's a .package format that is designed to work with all, right?
[09:27] <robf_> flaccid: well,  that too I spose
[09:27] <robf_> mefisto__: sorta.
[09:27] <firecrotch> flaccid:  yes yes, I realize that, but Linux as a whole will NEVER make it completely, especially in the desktop/home user area, with so much inconsistency
[09:27] <flaccid> robf_: its entirely that which pkg mgmt is a part of.
[09:27] <mefisto__> robf_: well that's the plan? or am I wrong about the intention behind it?
[09:27] <flaccid> firecrotch: maybe. i think the reason at this point why its not like that is more to do with vendor support.
[09:28] <robf_> mefisto__: yeah,  I mean,  rpms work on all things,  so do .debs and ebuilds
[09:28] <robf_> but yeah .package is nifty
[09:28] <Choreboy> oh I've failed miserably :-(
[09:28] <robf_> Choreboy: now what
[09:28] <Choreboy> all I want is an option to boot to windows, is that too much to ask?
[09:28] <firecrotch> flaccid:  That's true
[09:28] <robf_> Choreboy: with lilo?  hrm...
[09:28] <Choreboy> apparently my changes did nothing. Lilo is on the MBR and does not give any options it just goes straight into loading Kubuntu
[09:29] <raket> where does the deb file go though?
[09:29] <flaccid> not sure who suggested lilo when grub is fine?
[09:29] <firecrotch> raket, it should end up in the directory you were in
[09:29] <raket> ah
[09:29] <raket> ok
[09:29] <Choreboy> the install disk suggested lilo over grub
[09:29] <flaccid> Choreboy: which install disk is this srry
[09:30] <Choreboy> it suggested I use the ALTERNATE install disc because lilo was an option whereas it is not on the liveCD
[09:30] <robf_> Choreboy: I just can't say much about lilo,  I dunno it well enough
[09:30] <Choreboy> 8.04 KDE3
[09:30] <SlimeyPete> with lilo you have to run "lilo" to update the MBR, IIRC
[09:30] <Choreboy> did that
[09:30] <SlimeyPete> otherwise your changes won't take affect
[09:30] <flaccid> hmm ok
[09:31] <flaccid> the hardy alternate cd suggested lilo in the install?
[09:31] <SlimeyPete> Choreboy: did it give a reason for suggesting lilo?
[09:31] <SlimeyPete> it doesn't usually do that.
[09:31] <Choreboy> no, the LiveCD suggested using the Alternate CD if I had XFS as a file system because GRUB hangs and LILO does not.
[09:32] <SlimeyPete> oh right
[09:32] <SlimeyPete> blimey... XFS?
[09:32] <flaccid> where is the xfs?
[09:32] <Choreboy> here's the problem, my changes were not saved to the lilo.conf file for some reason
[09:32] <Choreboy> what do you mean where?
[09:33] <raket> firecrotch: I don't think it went in the directory I was at
[09:33] <flaccid> well you chose yes to lilo which i assume meant that you have existing xfs otherwise there would be no reason to choose it
[09:33] <raket> I used sudo alien -i /home/raket/Desktop/btmgr-3.7-1.i386.rpm
[09:34] <raket> and I was in desktop already
[09:34] <xim__> A blob of query comes forth...
[09:34] <xim__> Quick question, to anyone friendly out there... some distros (Knoppix back in the day) I've tried there's so called "network-transparency". So if i open an ogg file via AmaroK then streaming or copying to /tmp happens behind the scenes and stuff JustWorks. I downloaded Kubuntu 8.04 (remix & normal 3.5x) and I've just about given up figuring out why no such thing works. Anyone ever face this problem?! It seems everyone just wants to tell
[09:34] <xim__> me "It JustWorks(R) for me" and such, aggravating!
[09:34] <firecrotch> raket: then it's probably actually in root's home
[09:34] <xim__> :)
[09:34] <firecrotch> raket: /root
[09:34] <Choreboy> I formatted with XFS because I read and heard some things about it having a better throughput which I felt I needed on this old beast
[09:34] <robf_> XFS won't hurt,  it's just annoying to make work
[09:34] <robf_> it's nt a bad file system
[09:34] <crazy_bus> ah.  I found the ti version is in legacy options.
[09:34] <flaccid> xim__: i don't understand your problem.
[09:34] <Choreboy> xim__: I have that problem too! I'd like to hear the answer.
[09:35] <flaccid> Choreboy: no worries
[09:35] <xim__> sweet, i'm not alone
[09:35] <flaccid> can you explain this problem to me clearer
[09:35] <xim__> sure
[09:35] <Choreboy> I try to stream video files with VLC from a windows desktop to a Kubuntu desktop and it ain't happening.
[09:35] <xim__> basically, simple things like accessing ftp shares on a network can only be done if i spend a while at terminal using ftp fuse commands to mount it as a local file system
[09:36] <xim__> then things like media players, cli apps etc will treat it as a local file system
[09:36] <Choreboy> I can see the files, I can copy them locally, but can't transparently stream, if that's the correct terminology
[09:36] <robf_> lol
[09:36] <robf_> vlc from windows,  never tried
[09:36] <robf_> vlc to windows,  works for me
[09:36] <flaccid> right so the problem is that with a mounted smb share they dont' play?
[09:37] <xim__> i was under the impression this was obscenely retarded to be doing when a great network-transparency, gui-goodness, zerconf love exists in newer kde versions and i just wanted in on the fun
[09:37] <xim__> right
[09:37] <Choreboy> vlc from windows. My windows beast has all my HDDs in it.
[09:37] <xim__> smb, ftp.. anything mentioned in the kioslaves on my computer
[09:37] <robf_> ah
[09:37] <weswh-> do most people generally recommend that if you're using core2duo, you run the amd64 build...or keep running i386?
[09:37] <robf_> xim__: what exactly happens?
[09:37] <flaccid> xim__: yeah what happens exactly when you go to play them
[09:37] <raket> ok, brb
[09:38] <robf_> weswh-: i run kde4/kubuntu 64
[09:38] <robf_> on C2quad
[09:38] <flaccid> weswh-: core2duo is not amd64 so you need i386
[09:38] <xim__> so, as en example, i'll get an error message about no such file handler existing
[09:38] <weswh-> flaccid: that's not true
[09:38] <robf_> flaccid:  O.o
[09:38] <flaccid> or am i wrong there
[09:38] <robf_> root@scarecrow:~# uname -a
[09:38] <robf_> Linux scarecrow 2.6.24-16-generic #1 SMP Thu Apr 10 12:47:45 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[09:38] <flaccid> please correct me
[09:38] <robf_> this is a core 2 quad
[09:38] <xim__> hold on a sec, that's a great question, and i shamefully don't have a good error message available.
[09:38] <Choreboy> weswh-: I saw if youw ant to correctly use both cores you need the AMD64 version
[09:38] <Choreboy> its not just for AMD
[09:38] <xim__> i'll reproduce for you all here just a sec
[09:38] <robf_> amd64 is misnomer
[09:39] <Choreboy> yes, misnomer
[09:39] <weswh-> for whatever reason everything is still called 'amd64' even though that signifies the same arcitechture as emt64
[09:39] <flaccid> well amd64 != x86_64 in build
[09:39] <robf_> weswh-: runs a ok on my box
[09:39] <robf_> ah
[09:39] <weswh-> yeah, running well on mine...see how compatibility etc. goes. i was wondering if you guys know a good link to getting the nvidia driver setup?
[09:39] <robf_> maybe not then,  I know I use what I use ;p... I can't speak for this distro,  not really keen on the different ubuntu releases etc
[09:39] <robf_> weswh-: no help here,  I got ATI
[09:40] <Choreboy> Compiz has no love for ATI
[09:40] <xim__> ok, well in this case, i get no error message. I opened an ftp share on my intranet and selected an mp3, it opens the url in kmplayer and nothing happens. i just get a blank screen
[09:41] <firecrotch> xim__:  It almost seems like a bug in the actual ioslave
[09:41] <xim__> yeah
[09:41] <xim__> amarok gives me more info
[09:41] <flaccid> xim__: um that is not what you described
[09:41] <flaccid> you said mounted share
[09:41] <xim__> though it's a popup that vanishes fast
[09:41] <robf_> but flaccid,  just for reference,  my iso says amd64 kubuntu-kde4-8.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[09:41] <flaccid> only amarok and vlc can do streaming iirc
[09:41] <Choreboy> that's similar to what I see, I see the file, I double click to open, then VLC says it doesn't exist...
[09:41] <Choreboy> but I can copy/paste it locally
[09:41] <Choreboy> then open
[09:42] <flaccid> robf_:  i guess im way off. i dont know why they call it amd
[09:42] <mefisto__> xim__: those amarok popup messages will stay there if you click on them
[09:42] <robf_> flaccid: same reason they call tissue kleenex :p
[09:42] <firecrotch> VLC doesn't use the KDE open dialogs, does it?
[09:42] <xim__> yeah
[09:42] <xim__> i just copied it, but don't want to flood the chat
[09:42] <xim__> should i paste it?
[09:42] <robf_> Choreboy: do the file names have spaces :p
[09:42] <Choreboy> I'm sure it would but I find the file with Samba
[09:42] <xim__> No suitable input plugin. This often means that the url's protocol is not supported. Network failures are other possible causes.
[09:42] <xim__> ftp://bigmac.local:21/Users/Sean/NapsterMP3/Silly Wizard - Caledonia's Hardy Sons (1978)/01 Mo Chuachag Lachach (My Kindly Sweetheart).mp3
[09:42] <flaccid> please try opening a file with amarok in konq with smb://server/share/file ...
[09:43] <Choreboy> oh my, it's quite possible
[09:43] <robf_> windows / nix handling of spaces in files differs and may do oddball things across that
[09:43] <xim__> oops... i didn't realise that'd send automatically. nm :(
[09:43] <mefisto__> this is the message I get trying to open a mp3 over the network with amarok: No suitable input plugin. This often means that the URL's protocol is not supported. Network failures are other possible causes.
[09:43] <Choreboy> robf_: hadn't considered that
[09:43] <flaccid> xim__: what program said that
[09:43] <flaccid> oh sorry
[09:43] <robf_> xim__: how are you running this?
[09:43] <robf_> what is your command
[09:43] <xim__> amarok.. maybe not a bug, but pasting into Konversation with line breaks hits return! sorry, pasting into kwrite for a sec
[09:44] <Choreboy> so can someone give me the command again to open kate and edit the lilo.conf file?
[09:44] <robf_> or is it gui'd
[09:44] <Choreboy> sudo kate /root/etc/lilo.conf ???
[09:44] <xim__> robf_: amarok gave that message
[09:44] <flaccid> its possible that its a xine bug
[09:44] <flaccid> i would recommend checking/submitting a bug
[09:44] <xim__> hmm, good point
[09:44] <flaccid> xim__: mount it and see if you get the same problem
[09:44] <xim__> i think i installed the xine version of amarok
[09:45] <flaccid> xim__: also try opening it from krusader (which should be pretty much the same thing, but worth a try)
[09:45] <xim__> in most apps i get "No suitable input plugin. This often means that the url's protocol is not supported. Network failures are other possible causes." most any apps
[09:45] <flaccid> xim__: um, where did you install amarok from
[09:45] <xim__> repositories
[09:45] <flaccid> right. yeah check bugs
[09:46] <xim__> there's an amarok-xine as i recall
[09:46] <flaccid> that usually only happens with mp3 streams with shoutcast server - apparently a shoutcast bug and not xine
[09:46] <robf_> sadly I'm such a console junky... I mpg123 -@ http://loc.of.shoutcast.com/file.pls
[09:47] <Choreboy> do I have my command wrong? Alt+F2, then "sudo kate /root/etc/lilo.conf" and nothing happens
[09:47] <xim__> actually, how do i mount it?
[09:47] <fiyawerx_> Choreboy, kdesu i believe for graphical su's
[09:47] <flaccid> Choreboy: kdesudo kate /etc/lilo.conf
[09:47] <xim__> I was under the impression that I did mount it from konqueror if i've selected an ftp share via zeroconf:/
[09:47] <flaccid> if thats the location of lilo.conf
[09:47] <xim__> sorry, i'm pretty new at this
[09:48] <Choreboy> what is a graphical su?
[09:48] <flaccid> xim__: i've never done that. does the entry come up in the command: mount
[09:48] <Choreboy> if I'm trying to open something with a gui program?
[09:48] <fiyawerx_> Choreboy, for opening graphical programs, I mean
[09:48] <Choreboy> ok
[09:48] <fiyawerx_> Choreboy, sudo is for command line
[09:48] <xim__> aah, let me check
[09:48] <robf_> kdesudo I think but not sure how it works =s
[09:48] <xim__> no, not it doesn't
[09:48] <Choreboy> got it. Sudo for command line stuff, kdesudo if I want to open something graphical as a SU
[09:48] <fiyawerx_> you got it
[09:48] <weswh-> i am trying to find the 'Restricted Drivers' option under System Settings > Advanced (tab)..not there. Has that moved?
[09:48] <robf_> Choreboy: yeh,  it gripes for ya what,  protocol not specified
[09:49] <Choreboy> yes
[09:49] <weswh-> i'm running kde4, following instructions for gusty
[09:49] <robf_> Choreboy: what user are you?
[09:49] <robf_> in the term yer runnin that in
[09:49] <robf_> if you're already root,  exitback to yer user then try
[09:49] <Choreboy> ok now I've done this before exactly and it wouldn't work, now it does. Cross your fingers.
[09:50] <flaccid> weswh-: maybe there is no restricted manager in kde4 yet. they are still doing the port of system settings. you could install the package restricted-manager-kde and then run kdesudo restricted-manager-kde
[09:50] <xim__> so, that's a point right there. using konqueror to access the ftp share doesn't really mount it. I was under the impression that kde integrated fuse etc such that this could happen via the gui.
[09:50] <Choreboy> I'm not root
[09:50] <weswh-> right...cool
[09:50] <robf_> Choreboy: and still it says cannot connect?
[09:50] <Choreboy> no, it worked
[09:50] <robf_> oh ok
[09:50] <mefisto__> xim__: does opening in mplayer work. it's working for me, but not in amarok
[09:50] <robf_> I think earlier you'd sudo'd to root user
[09:50] <robf_> and root user doesn't access your display
[09:50] <xim__> no, mplayer doesn't work
[09:50] <Choreboy> but I copypasta'd the kdesudo command before and it didn't work
[09:51] <flaccid> !didntwork
[09:51] <flaccid> !doesntwork
[09:51] <xim__> mefisto__: however, dragon-player (kde4) does work with video files
[09:51] <xim__> interesting
[09:51] <robf_> if you got that protocol not specified  cannot connect to display,  etc etc,  you were prolly not under the correct user for your x display
[09:51] <xim__> so it seems very few apps really support the kioslaves
[09:51] <Choreboy> !workshardforthemoney
[09:51] <Choreboy> bot? no?
[09:51] <Choreboy> worth a shot
[09:51] <xim__> why doesn't konqueror just mount these through some magic fuse command?!
[09:52] <flaccid> xim__: oh sorry, the main one i forgot to mention that does is kaffeine
[09:52] <flaccid> but yeah
[09:52] <xim__> hmm
[09:52] <flaccid> xim__: can you goto kaffeine
[09:52] <xim__> i might try installing that
[09:52] <Choreboy> robf_: I bet I was root last time I tried kdesudo
[09:52] <caris_mere> I'm using KDE4 Remix, but having trouble setting up a network printer...says it can't do it
[09:52] <robf_> Choreboy: yeh
[09:52] <flaccid> xim__: goto open URL in kaffeine, put in your URL of the file then let us know what happens
[09:52] <flaccid> kaffeine should already be installed
[09:53] <xim__> well, sounds like it will work ok like it does in dragon player
[09:53] <robf_> can't vlc play across?
[09:53] <robf_> I use vlc over ftp
[09:53] <flaccid> caris_mere: #kubuntu-kde4
[09:53] <xim__> but this really gets away from my question, which is this network transparency. i mean, why doesn't it just mount it in a user-space file system?
[09:53] <xim__> ie show up in mount command?
[09:53] <weswh-> flaccid: when i do apt-cach search restricted-manager...i only come up with a few jockey things. any idea if i need to enable some other repos to get what you were talking about?
[09:53]  * xim__ installing / downloaded kaffeine now
[09:53] <caris_mere> sorry, I just rememtner
[09:54] <robf_> ok it's 4am I work at 8..... bad times... I'm out good luck Choreboy
[09:54] <flaccid> xim__: because it doesn't need to. also these apps use kio functions anyway..
[09:54] <flaccid> !info restricted-manager-kde | weswh-
[09:54] <flaccid> weswh-: its not in hardy sorry
[09:54] <xim__> well, why doesn't it need to? why functionality is added via the kioslaves philosophy?
[09:54] <flaccid> weswh-: so can't do it
[09:54] <weswh-> no worries. i wonder what the best way to get the nvidia driver going is
[09:55] <flaccid> weswh-: hmm one sec i could be wrong
[09:55] <xim__> it seems the developers just have more to implement this way
[09:55] <weswh-> the little
[09:55] <weswh-> best methods of how to do things are always changing...so i'm always wary of doing something from the last release
[09:55] <flaccid> xim__: yeah i noticed that a long time ago. its a bit of a shame
[09:55] <Choreboy> 4am? It's 5 here. I'm a trooper!
[09:56] <flaccid> weswh-: i have it on my system, it must of been there from gutsy.
[09:56] <xim__> lol, five till 2 here :)
[09:57] <Choreboy> oh my. I ran the lilo command and it gave me an error
[09:57] <flaccid> weswh-: um you have raised a good point!
[09:57] <Choreboy> Fatal: stat /dev/hda4: No such file or directory
[09:58] <mefisto__> xim__: kaffeine doesn't work for me either
[09:58] <xim__> actually, oddly, Kaffeine isn't in the kubuntu repos for me anymore
[09:58] <xim__> i used it ages ago
[09:58] <nate_> I was looking through synaptic package manager and notice that it has its self listed... what would happen if I uninstalled it through its self?
[09:59] <Choreboy> can anyone point me to a good lilo guide so I can figure out what I've done wrong? I need to be able to boot to windows also!
[09:59] <xim__> maybe since i installed a kde-4 remix, the repos are likely different. ah, actually i found a thing on the kde pages just now "Yes, we are working on a KDE 4 version"
[09:59] <xim__> i'm currently in kde 3.5.9 right now, since i installed kde3 afterwards thought to be sure ;)
[09:59] <flaccid> can somebody answer why restricted-manager is not in hardy??
[10:00] <Choreboy> !LILOhatesChoreboy
[10:00] <mefisto__> flaccid: it's called Hardware Drivers now, under kmenu > System
[10:01] <flaccid> ah thanks mefisto__
[10:01] <flaccid> weswh-: there it is!
[10:01] <xim__> actually, as amarok is the premier media player app (though it always seemed a tad bloated for my limited use, interesting nonetheless) i'm really surprised it's so incompatible w/ kde
[10:01] <xim__> dragon player works for vids
[10:01] <ere4si> Choreboy: might be easier just to use ext3 - it has journalling after all which is a better option then a small speed increase
[10:02] <flaccid> why it doesn't go in system settings i'll never know
[10:02] <xim__> and kaffeine didn't work in the last distro i tried, and isn't available in this distro's repositories
[10:02] <Choreboy> XFS journals
[10:02] <Choreboy> from what I read.
[10:02] <xim__> this is really frustrating as a new user
[10:02] <flaccid> xim__: whats incompatible sorry?
[10:02] <flaccid> !info kaffeine
[10:02] <xim__> amarok, with kioslaves
[10:02] <Choreboy> but I'm already invested and don't want to have to reformat
[10:02] <flaccid> xim__: um what are you running this. doesn't sound like kubuntu
[10:03] <caris_mere> Is anybody else having problems setting up a network printer?
[10:03] <flaccid> xim__: works fine, just not for you
[10:03] <xim__> yeah yeah
[10:03] <ere4si> Choreboy: seen this - http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LILO.html
[10:03] <xim__> the "It JustWorks(R)" isn't my experience
[10:03] <xim__> nor my friend's
[10:03] <mefisto__> flaccid: you mean you can play something with amarok over a network?
[10:03] <xim__> so over 7 installs on multiple hardware
[10:03] <flaccid> mefisto__: been doing it all day
[10:03] <xim__> i'm thinking this is more than "juse me"
[10:03] <flaccid> xim__: what distro are you running
[10:03] <xim__> *just
[10:04] <xim__> kubuntu 8.04
[10:04] <xim__> i installed via kde-4 remix
[10:04]  * flaccid is listening to [Madonna] Hung Up [Amarok]
[10:04] <xim__> however installed kde 3.5.9 on top of that
[10:04] <xim__> (currently typing to you within kde3 for instance)
[10:04] <xim__> searched adept, found no kaffeine
[10:04] <flaccid> see works for me
[10:04] <xim__> interesting
[10:05] <flaccid> xim__: kaffeine is in main, so if you have that enabled you can install it
[10:05] <Choreboy> ere4si: new to me, I'll give 'er a look
[10:05] <xim__> ehm, kaffeine.kde.org
[10:05] <ere4si> k
[10:06] <xim__> it's not available on kde-4 distros i'm guessing
[10:06] <Choreboy> I wish I hadn't installed LILO to the MBR :-\
[10:06] <xim__> so even though i installed kde3, i'm guessing i'd need to add the normal (non-remix) kubuntu repo first
[10:06] <flaccid> xim__: i have tested opening it every way i can think of. i even went in amarok and went to Engage | Play Media and entered my URI: smb://holly/PUBLIC DISK 1/music/dance/acid/MisTerB - Can you pass This Acid test -- Jamendo - MP3 VBR 192k - 2007.04.27 [www.jamendo.com]
[10:06] <flaccid> and that worked fine...
[10:07] <xim__> just rub it in why don't you!
[10:07] <flaccid> xim__: there is not different repos
[10:07] <xim__> :)
[10:07] <flaccid> its simply in the main repository and kde4 is backwards compatible with kde3 apps
[10:08] <flaccid> xim__:  i would suggest submitting a bug
[10:08] <xim__> no biggie, my main q is still about attaining some network transparency for things in general if anyone has advise. the only way i can get things to work is via using complicated and unuseful (to me) curlftpfs commands to mount ahead of time
[10:09] <flaccid> xim__: um, i do this stuff all day with many protocols. if you have a problem then i assume its a bug and i dont know of any workarounds...
[10:09] <xim__> re: submitting a bug. do those actually go anywhere? i'm not a programmer, so my luser info might not get results for me (or others)
[10:09] <xim__> duly noted
[10:09] <flaccid> xim__: yes.
[10:09] <flaccid> the bug system is very good and people will pick it up
[10:10] <xim__> hmm
[10:10] <flaccid> you also subscribe to the bug so when someone comments/updates the bug entry you get an email...
[10:10] <noaXess> is there a problem with the repo http://security.ubuntu.com? i can't fetch updates from thre.. use 7.04..
[10:11] <ere4si> it's a busy time for the servers I think
[10:11] <noaXess> okay.. then i will trying later..
[10:12] <xim__> per curiousity, since using "curftpfs" from repos works (it's just only for ftp, and not integrated into the UI among other downfalls) is there a way i can put some kde right-click menu actions for curlftpfs or other fuse-utils?
[10:13] <xim__> like how there's right click>actions>(stuff) for folders in the file manager?
[10:14] <ct529> I am trying to download the new 804 using ktorrent, but download does not even start when clicking in the .torrent link. What is going on?
[10:15] <xim__> btw, just searching around the net... is this viewed as a kioslaves bug?
[10:15] <derdritte> Hey guys, is there an easy way to recover data from a failing hdd?
[10:15] <xim__> ct529: do other torrents work?
[10:15] <xim__> i'm seeding on that iso torrent, it's going fine
[10:15] <derdritte> I checked this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DataRecovery but neither gdd* nur fremost seem to be in any repo...
[10:16] <ct529> xim__: nope, not even bitorrent
[10:16] <ct529> xim__: not even by copying and pasting
[10:16] <ct529> xim__: and not even using the local mirror
[10:17] <xim__> oh, sorry... so this is a ktorrent usability thing. I use "deluge" so i was mistaken to try and help
[10:17] <xim__> i misread
[10:18] <xim__> that said, maybe try deluge-torrent :)'
[10:19] <ct529> xim__: this is not a ktorrent usability thing .... it does NOT work with any client ....
[10:19] <xim__> ah, well you mentioned copy/paste etc so i thought that's what you meant. sorry
[10:20] <ct529> xim__: no, I said I copied an pasted in all the clients and did not work
[10:20] <ct529> xim__: I will install and try deluge
[10:20] <xim__> ok
[10:21] <derdritte> Noone?
[10:22] <xim__> yeah, i think i ran everyone off lol
[10:22] <derdritte> -_-°
[10:22] <xim__> sorry, derdritte, have you used test-disk ?
[10:22] <xim__> it includes, among (obviously) testdisk, photorec which, despite the name, recoveres WAY more than photos
[10:23] <xim__> it ignores the file-system, so it works really well finding partially corrupted or deleted stuff
[10:23] <derdritte> I just checked for my running windows with ot.
[10:23] <xim__> (assuming the failing hdd is acting like most failing hdd's, damaging data)
[10:23] <derdritte> But it just gave me a shitload of errors wand tehn crashed ><
[10:23] <derdritte> There are I think 2 partitions on that disk.
[10:24] <derdritte> And it seems that a ****-load of blocks on my kubuntu-partition went down for good.
[10:24] <xim__> well, if the hdd is failing, and forgive my question, you aren't still using / booting from that hdd and trying to salvage its data are you?
[10:24] <derdritte> Effecting files that have to be loaded during boot, so kubuntu is exiting with en i/o error while booting.
[10:24] <xim__> certainly booting from a usb-stick, cd or spare hdd is best
[10:25] <ct529> are we going to have a kubuntu lts any time soon?
[10:25] <derdritte> I'm on Live right now.
[10:25] <ct529> as far as anybody knows
[10:25] <derdritte> Works like a charm.
[10:25] <derdritte> But I'd like to save as much data as possible from the disk.
[10:25] <xim__> gotcha
[10:25] <xim__> so, what media are you saving the data to?
[10:26] <derdritte> ext HDD.
[10:26] <derdritte> All my locals are full ><
[10:27] <xim__> haha, i was in your situation (full HDDs and all) last week when my flatmate brought his work laptop home with noisy, rattling, loose platters that never parked
[10:27] <derdritte> Sounds bad.
[10:27] <xim__> *RW heads, not platters
[10:27] <derdritte> Still sounds bad >>
[10:28] <xim__> yeah, i just booted from my usb stick into visparted
[10:28] <xim__> copied the data to an ftp share
[10:28] <derdritte> lol³
[10:28] <xim__> same could be done with a live-cd etc naturally
[10:28] <derdritte> I haven't found an app that is ok with my partition.
[10:29] <xim__> after imaging the drive, i used testdisk and photorec to recovere damaged files and he was back in business
[10:29] <derdritte> gparted simply ignores the whole hdd.
[10:29] <xim__> lol
[10:29] <xim__> yeah, you need testdisk for sure
[10:29] <xim__> i know what you mean
[10:29] <derdritte> Does it really recover?
[10:29] <xim__> yeah
[10:29] <derdritte> On Win it just said every thing is fine ><
[10:29] <xim__> yeah, same w/ my RM
[10:30] <xim__> until, of course, it fatally BSOD'd
[10:30] <derdritte> ><
[10:30] <xim__> "Did anything happen leading up to this?" i asked
[10:30] <xim__> "No, it just happened"
[10:30] <xim__> "What's that noise?"
[10:30] <xim__> "meh, idk"
[10:30] <xim__> "it sounds like grinding from the computer"
[10:30] <xim__> "it always does that"
[10:30] <derdritte> Yeah, my Win-App i tried to recover the stuff with multiple BSOD'd on me ><
[10:30] <xim__> "uhhh"
[10:31] <derdritte> :D
[10:31] <derdritte> "It always does that" XD
[10:31] <xim__> it was a new laptop turns out, so it was just a bad hdd
[10:31] <xim__> seriously, use visparted vs gparted
[10:31] <xim__> after using tesdisk
[10:32] <xim__> *testdisk
[10:32] <xim__> actually, just download the visparted live-cd / usb since it has everything you need (and firefox for research while booted!)
[10:32] <derdritte> Kann adept handl rpm?
[10:32] <xim__> no
[10:32] <xim__> well, i don't believe so anyway
[10:33] <derdritte> Synaptic, there you go again :P
[10:34] <derdritte> Fuck ><
[10:35] <derdritte> The just came an explosion sound from my pc general direction ><
[10:35] <derdritte> I so fuckin hope that came from the street ><
[10:36] <xim__> so it appears my kioslaves issue is widely ignored on the net
[10:36] <derdritte> ?
[10:36] <xim__> it's like most of my issues, it seems only me and ppl i talk to in the RealWorld know what i'm on about
[10:36] <xim__> nothing i konqueror really mounts ftp, ssh, etc
[10:37] <xim__> it's like how with linux distros, the battery life on my laptop is cut by 2hrs
[10:37] <ct529> xim__: same problem with deluge torrent ....
[10:38] <xim__> well sounds like your router is setup wrong.. .dunno what to tell you
[10:38] <xim__> even after running powertop etc, it's amazing how low a priority power management is with the ubuntu team (and other distros too)
[10:39] <xim__> same with nvidia and their lame proprietary drivers. i can see the malfunctioning "powermizer" bug not control it. nvidia / ati/ amd suck in this regard
[10:39] <cartman|office> is there KDE 4.1 alpha packages for Kubuntu Hardy somewhere?
[10:40] <xim__> not that i've seen, is kde 4.1 even out?
[10:40] <cartman|office> alpha is
[10:40] <xim__> aah
[10:41] <kristian__> looks good i just wait a bit
[10:41] <xim__> might try #kubuntu-kde4
[10:41] <xim__> i just did and surprisingly, that's really a channel :D
[10:41] <derdritte> KDE4 sucked on mai MacBook.
[10:41] <cartman|office> KDE 4.0 is too buggy :/
[10:41] <xim__> KDE4 sucks on everyone's anything
[10:41] <derdritte> lulz ><
[10:41] <xim__> it's still alpha for all intents and purposes
[10:42] <xim__> which is fine
[10:42] <xim__> i like the direction it's headed in tho
[10:42] <cartman|office> 4.1 alpha should be better
[10:42] <xim__> yeah exactly
[10:42] <derdritte> Somehow I managed to crash kwin 5 times in a row by just opening Amarok Óo
[10:42] <xim__> i'm giddy you said alpha is available
[10:42] <cartman|office> derdritte: yep
[10:42] <cartman|office> where is Riddell? Time to work ;)
[10:42]  * cartman|office pokes mueslix
[10:43] <xim__> actually, i found kde-4 to be very surprisingly solid for X.0.0 softwar
[10:43] <cartman|office> true
[10:43] <xim__> however, it's just not feature complete for me
[10:43]  * derdritte returns to his WTF?!-state.
[10:43] <mueslix> hey cartman|office
[10:43] <cartman|office> konsole4 rocks
[10:43] <cartman|office> mueslix: lo :)
[10:43] <xim__> for instance, turning off those god d**nded sound effects requires literally using a mouse to disable them one by one
[10:44] <xim__> after extensive posting on this issue, it turns out it's a "known issue" *sigh*
[10:44] <cartman|office> I need konsole + emacs + katapult
[10:44] <xim__> yeah, katapult works fine in kde4 for me
[10:44] <Riddell> cartman|office: hmm?
[10:44] <cartman|office> Riddell: 4.1 packages!
[10:45] <Riddell> cartman|office: on their way, but qt 4.4 and kde 4.0.4 had to come first
[10:45] <cartman|office> Riddell: coolness
[10:45] <xim__> (btw, this is as opposed to kde3 where there's a "turn off all notifications" button)
[10:45] <cartman|office> just can't stand gnome-terminal anymore :(
[10:45] <cartman|office> Hardy is pretty btw
[10:45] <cartman|office> well done
[10:46] <cartman|office> does all mirrors have qt 4.4 yet?
[10:47] <cartman|office> can't see them on main server and it showed with Turkish server
[10:47] <xim__> idk
[10:47] <xim__> then again, i can't find kaffeine in the repos so...
[10:47] <xim__> I'm basically told i must be on crack for this, but kaffeine.kde.org seems to give me pause
[10:48] <xim__> seems there's no kde4 version
[10:48] <cartman|office> xim__: thats still in development
[10:48] <xim__> right, but shouldn't the repos included with kubuntu-remix still include the kde3 version?
[10:48] <cartman|office> I use plain ubuntu with apt-get install kde4 ;)
[10:49] <derdritte> I found it extremly difficult to get from kde4 back to kde3.
[10:49] <xim__> there's only one "/ubuntu hardy" source tho
[10:50] <xim__> derdritte: that is difficult
[10:50] <xim__> at least for lil' ol me
[10:50] <derdritte> Uh.
[10:50] <derdritte> testdisk just froze ><
[10:50] <xim__> lol
[10:50] <xim__> doing what!?
[10:50] <xim__> that sucks
[10:50] <derdritte> I guess that is not a good sign ><
[10:51] <xim__> no, ultimately you're fighting hardware failure so...
[10:51] <xim__> ehm, run it again?
[10:51] <xim__> it saves it's prior state usually
[10:51] <derdritte> I'll give it some time.
[10:51] <derdritte> But my guess is that it will just damage the hdd some more and then exit with error 2 or shit ><
[10:52] <xim__> well if reading from the hdd damages it, then you have severe issues
[10:52] <derdritte> Goodbye data :(
[10:52] <xim__> kinda ;)
[10:52] <xim__> but, on the plus side, "Hello Backups!"
[10:53] <derdritte> Nope :P
[10:53] <xim__> (In the interest of full disclosure, this is the epitome of the pot calling the kettle black as I've got full HDDs still and 500gb of photos, music etc)
[10:53] <xim__> oh, and NO backups
[10:53] <xim__> :(
[10:54] <derdritte> Yeah.
[10:54] <xim__> and, sadly, i've had HDD failures in the past so i should know better
[10:54] <derdritte> I mean it was settings and photos basically but it all went down the drain ><
[10:54] <ct529> are we going to have a kubuntu LTS any time soon? why is 804 not released as part of the ubuntu LTS program?
[10:54] <derdritte> Get another 0.5TB and backup like hell :P
[10:54] <xim__> well, maybe just run photorec on it to start copying data now
[10:55] <xim__> specifically the .jpg and such (the irreplacable data)
[10:55] <derdritte> It seems like the LiveCD is crashing on me.
[10:55] <xim__> what livecd?
[10:55] <derdritte> k8.04
[10:55] <xim__> seriously, use partedmagic.com
[10:56] <xim__> d/l that live-usb/cd
[10:56] <xim__> it's designed for what you're doing w/o any other stuff
[10:56] <xim__> besides, it's ridiculously small
[10:57] <xim__> and, as a bonus it uses .7z files as modules so you can add your own tools / settings to the live distro
[10:57] <xim__> it just generally kicks ass
[10:57] <xim__> (for data recovery / partitioining that is)
[10:58] <derdritte> Partitioning sure wount help
[10:58] <derdritte> I just need badass recovery.
[10:58] <xim__> hence that advise
[10:58] <xim__> take it or leave it, it's the only free/gpl thing that works for me
[10:59] <xim__> and, actually, better than most WAAAY expensive commercial thigns i've tried
[10:59] <derdritte> Well, if it does file-recovery and not only partitions, I'll try it.
[10:59] <xim__> well, it has photorec / testdisk prominently featured
[11:00] <xim__> ultimately, the live cd you're using should be just fine
[11:00] <xim__> but if it's crashing, i'd advise something that uses less memory
[11:00] <xim__> those recovery apps use a lot of ram / need a large swap space
[11:00] <xim__> so a 700mb vs 40mb distro makes a diff
[11:00] <xim__> ymmv
[11:00] <mefisto__> how do I get kdesudo to forget my password and ask for it again?
[11:01] <zeeon> g'day
[11:02] <zeeon> was wondering does write permissions work for nts drives with the standard ntfs option in 8.04?
[11:02] <xim__> yes
[11:02] <zeeon> great makes it a world of easy to mount it then ;)
[11:02] <xim__> yeah, ntfs-3g has had that for some time
[11:03] <xim__> and the newer distros mostly do that well now
[11:03] <xim__> (kubuntu included)
[11:08] <derdritte> sorry telephon...
[11:12] <xim__> hmm, i got kaffeine installed and it does technically work over networks
[11:12] <xim__> ie i open something from ftp:// or fish:// and it plays (cool!)
[11:12] <derdritte> Isn't vlc the ultimate network-player?
[11:13] <xim__> however, (and this is WAY better than the previous manually copy to /tmp or my desktop) it just copies stuff to /tmp then plays
[11:13] <xim__> not stream
[11:13] <derdritte> I gotta reboot, because after this error he seems to just have ejected my drive ><
[11:13] <wesley> hi will there be packages of kde4.0.4
[11:13] <xim__> cya derdritte ;)
[11:14] <xim__> anyway, if i set a playlist then it spends 20secs copying the entire file before each play (doesn't even read ahead). this isn't ideal...hmm
[11:14] <xim__> i need to figure out some gui to fuse like exists with MacFUSE etc
[11:15] <xim__> i'm just baffled why simple things like network-transparency, power management don't seem to be developer priorities for kde, gnome.. FOSS distros in general
[11:16] <xim__> i guess it's just a cultural difference since they're used to CLI interfaces or something and most likely haven't used OS X or other operating systems to compare
[11:17] <xim__> this is one of those "Nothing I need to do works with FOSS operating systems, and for stupid reasons, and I really wish I was a programmer" moments
[11:17] <xim__> *sigh*
[11:18] <xim__> most of the bugs i've found have been opened since 2004, 2005 etc
[11:18] <xim__> clearly nobody cares
[11:18] <needhelp> if i want to find files more than 90 days, i use find -mtime 90 command ? or find-mtime +90?
[11:23] <jcfp> needhelp: +90, just '90' finds only those exactly 90 days old
[11:37] <Nyad> Hi. How do I play rm files without installing realplayer?
[11:38] <derdritte> Gotta reboot brb...
[11:38] <derdritte> I hope ><
[11:39] <Nyad> !rm > Nyad
[11:44] <derdritte> re ><
[11:45] <Nyad> Hi. How do I play rm files without installing realplayer?
[11:45] <derdritte> Hm, does VLC play rm?
[11:45]  * nvGetPwrMzrLevel restarts X
[11:46] <andres> hola alguien me dice cual es el comando para instalar java, flash y firefox en español
[11:46] <andres> gracias por la ayuda
[11:47] <derdritte> wtf?
[11:47] <ct529> !es
[11:50] <Nyad> I cant install realplayer. apt-get will autocomplete to realplayer. but when I try download the realplayer it says package not available but is referred to by another package
[11:50] <Nyad> ?????????
[11:52] <bobishh> hello there, can somebody help me with alsa-drivers ?
[12:01] <vr071538> vr068551 ti amo
[12:01] <vr071538> alessandro sei sexy
[12:02] <alex_cattivone> alessandro ti amo
[12:03] <wesley> !vista
[12:03] <alex_cattivone> mi ami ale?
[12:03] <wesley> !windows
[12:04] <wesley> lol first was windows the evil organization
[12:08] <viperserv2> how hard is it to make and host a forum with ubuntu?
[12:10] <ActionParsnip> not sure viperserv2
[12:10] <viperserv2> apache i couldn't get to work on 8.04
[12:11] <ActionParsnip> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/forum/server/apache2/SSL
[12:11] <viperserv2> i think they have it filtered
[12:11] <viperserv2> the data center
[12:13] <alex_cattivone> i want to fuck my mother
[12:13] <ubunturos> !language | alex_cattivone
[12:14] <ActionParsnip> ubunturos: he went pretty much after it
[12:21] <Nyad> help I installed realplayer as this site depicts https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RealPlayerInstallationMethods  from the RealNetworks site, and everything is in my videos is blue when I play them. how do I remove this realplayer?
[12:24] <ActionParsnip> Nyad: sudo apt-get remove realplayer
[12:24] <ActionParsnip> i believe
[12:24] <ActionParsnip> Nyad: use add / remove programs and search for real
[12:28] <hexidigital> hello everyone
[12:29] <cahuez> hiya..
[12:29] <serres> Bonjour tout le monde
[12:29] <cahuez> salut..
[12:30] <cahuez> bonjour, parlez vous anglaise..!?
[12:40] <vgabrens> where i found skype for kubuntu amd64?
[12:47] <progreSS> hi everybody
[12:47] <progreSS> i have a bash-script question
[12:48] <progreSS> how can i substract some amount of dates from the current date, and save it in a variable
[12:48] <progreSS> ?
[12:48] <stdin> this isn't really a bash channel, but what exactly do you want to do, what format do you want the date?
[12:49] <progreSSive> yyyyMMdd HH:mm:ss would be great :)
[12:50] <progreSSive> stdin, so can you please help me?
[12:50] <stdin> date +%Y%m%d" "%H%M%S
[12:50] <stdin> date has great formatting ability, see "man data" or man:/date in konqueror
[12:50] <stdin> *man date
[12:51] <progreSSive> well, how can i substract dates, say date - 126days
[12:51] <stdin> actually, from the format you gave, date +%Y%m%d" "%H:%M:%S  is exactly it
[12:51] <progreSSive> and save the output in the given format in a variable
[12:52] <noaXess> !java
[12:54] <stdin> progreSSive: I'm not sure you can do that easily, you'd probably need to write a script just for that. best place to ask is #bash as that's a more advanced channel
[12:55] <progreSSive> stdin, thanks man, i'll try to ask the question there :)
[13:17] <epimeth> is there any place where I can get a summary of changes in the updates I'm installing?
[13:19] <ActionParsnip> epimeth: as far as im personally aware id' visit the sites of the creators and view the changelog, unless the package gives you a readme with the changelog in it
[13:20] <stdin> epimeth: in adept you can get the debian changelog by clicking the package -> details  -> developer changelog
[13:21] <stdin> or you can use aptitude with "aptitude changelog <package>"
[13:21] <ActionParsnip> stdin: ooh thats nice :D
[13:22] <stdin> oh, and you can check the changelog *after* it's installed by looking in /usr/share/doc/<package>/changelog.Debian.gz and /usr/share/doc/<package>/changelog.gz
[13:22] <stdin> that's a lot of changelogs :p
[13:23] <ActionParsnip> does aptitude changelog foo show the one from the local machine if its already installed or is it web based 100%
[13:24] <stdin> it's totally web bases afaik
[13:24] <ActionParsnip> ok cool
[13:24] <ActionParsnip> cheers man
[13:24] <stdin> I use it quite a lot, I'm nosy :)
[13:24] <ActionParsnip> id say inquisitive ;)
[13:25] <zeeon_> guys can i place mount --bind /dir/dir /dir/dir/ in /etc/fstab ?? or am i lucky enough that those mounts will stay after reboot
[13:25] <Helios> Hey guys... can anyone tell me wat's in the Kubuntu Hardy heron DVD?
[13:26] <stdin> zeeon_: the entry you want is "/dir1      /dir2 none    bind    0       0"
[13:26] <epimeth> cheers stdin
[13:27] <zeeon_> yes of course ^^
[13:27] <epimeth> how about apt... you know how to get it there?
[13:27] <stdin> epimeth: apt doesn't have that feature
[13:27] <Helios> I am downloading the Kubuntu Hardy Heron DVD... can anyone tell me wat's in there?
[13:27] <stdin> oh, just remembered another way you can get the changelog :p
[13:27] <Helios> :D
[13:27] <epimeth> anything in the wiki?
[13:28] <stdin> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/source_package/+changelog
[13:28] <Helios> :)
[13:28] <stdin> Helios: it has the Live install, alternate install and a selection of packages from main and restricted
[13:28] <Helios> ok...
[13:29] <Helios> hmmm how i launch the installation?? normal boot?
[13:29] <Helios> like i install the alternate one?
[13:29] <stdin> it'll be an option when you boot
[13:29] <Helios> ok...
[13:29] <fildo> !kde4 > fildo
[13:29] <epimeth> +source ? as in +kde/kdesktop/+changelog ?
[13:29] <stdin> no, an actual "+source"
[13:30] <mefisto__> in Network Settings > Zeroconf service discovery, when I try to "enable zeroconf network browsing" I'm asked for password to run /usr/share/avahi/enable_avahi '1' but then get "command not found"
[13:30] <Helios> can anyone tell me the recommended space i can keep on my Hard Disk for Kubuntu??? i do not use it that much... just to learn and have fun... :)
[13:30] <epimeth> whats a +source?
[13:30] <epimeth> oh...wait.... 'hardy' ?
[13:31] <stdin> oh, forgot a bit,  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/<release>/+source/<Package>/+changelog
[13:31] <stdin> so, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/glibc/+changelog for instance
[13:31] <epimeth> oh... literally "+source"
[13:31] <epimeth> lol
[13:32] <Helios> stdin: u got any idea, about how much hard disk space should i reserve for my Kubuntu installation? with it swap and all... :)
[13:33] <stdin> Helios: depends on how you want to use the system, and if you want a separate /home
[13:33] <stdin> you only *need* around 2-3GB for a base install, but you'll probably want more
[13:34] <Helios> stdin: the home is along with the kubuntu, not separate...
[13:34] <Helios> stdin: hmmmm ok... a 10 GB including it's 512MB swap space is enough?
[13:35] <stdin> how much RAM do you have?
[13:35] <Helios> 2 GB :D
[13:35] <stdin> and is it a laptop that you want to be able to hibernate?
[13:35] <Helios> no... it's a desktop
[13:35] <Helios> :)
[13:36] <stdin> I generally recommend 1GB swap, sort of "just in case", but with 2GB RAM you'll probably never use swap
[13:37] <mefisto__> you'll need some free space if you want to upgrade over the internet. how much space does that need?
[13:38] <stdin> not much, the size of the .deb packages
[13:38] <stdin> usually a couple hundred MB
[13:39] <Hamra> sometimes i take my PC to work, and i have a weak screen there that doesnt support the resolution i use, is there a way or a kernel option to  use to start the system in a safe graphics mode?
[13:43] <zeeon_> if i have /dir /dir bind none what arguments du i use to make the dirs read/writable /dir /dir bind none rw 0 0 ??
[13:45] <Helios_> stdin: sorry got a power cut... can u remind me wat was i saying please? :D
[13:45] <reese> how do I disable the kdewallet daemon?
[13:46] <stdin> Helios_: you need me to remind you of what you were saying? :p
[13:46] <stdin> last thing I said to you was was "I generally recommend 1GB swap, sort of "just in case", but with 2GB RAM you'll probably never use swap"
[13:46] <ubunturos> reese: if you open kdewall, you can choose Settings -> Configure and disable, by unchecking the first checkbox
[13:46] <Helios_> stdin: hmmmmm yes about the space requirements...
[13:47] <stdin> Helios_: last thing you said was "no... it's a desktop"
[13:47] <Helios_> stdin: yeah thanks... i am using a desktop computer...
[13:48] <Helios_> stdin: so how much space i need for the Kubuntu? just for basic use and learning and have fun ;)
[13:49] <Helios_> a 10GB is enough including a 512MB swap?
[13:49] <stdin> Helios: a few GB, maybe 2-3, but if your /home is on the same partition then it depends on how you use the system
[13:49] <stdin> 10GB should be more than enough generally
[13:49] <Helios_> stdin: alright... thanks...
[13:49] <Helios_> got only 120GB... so got to rationalise... :(
[13:50] <Helios_> most space taken by windows... and the Games other applications... :S
[13:50] <mefisto__> Helios_: having a separate home partition is a good idea though
[13:51] <Helios_> mefisto__: can you please explain how it becomes a good idea? :)
[13:51] <Dr_willis> You can easially reinstall the os with out loseing the users configs. You can easier backup just the users home dirs.
[13:52] <Dr_willis> Or ya can export it via NFS to share on other machines. Like i do.
[13:52] <mefisto__> Helios_: if you need to reinstall because you were learning something that leads to disaster, you can reinstall and still have all your settings
[13:52] <mefisto__> :)
[13:52] <Helios_> can u please explain how i do it while i install Kubuntu? :)
[13:53] <Helios_> how i create those partitions?
[13:53] <Helios_> how i allocate them and all that?
[13:53] <Riddell> who's on hardy? testers needed for 4.0.4 in -backports
[13:53] <mefisto__> I think the installer guides you through it, but I can't remember to be honest
[13:53] <Helios_> LOL i am using Hardy KDE 4...
[13:54] <reese> ubunturos: how do I open kdewall?
[13:54] <mistiipu_> i made a pc share my internet connection by cross cable direct nic to nic connection. it worked. i changed the client pc and its lan card but with same cable and same settings. it was not working. i have checked cable and lan card. both are fine. i think there is some settings in the server (linux) that has been saved for that old pc. when i plug the new pc it says a network cable has ben unplugd?
[13:54] <Helios_> frankly The KDE 4 version is not as good... :( it's pretty but not so much usable... got quite some bugs
[13:56] <Dr_willis> Manually do the partition layout, in make a partion for / and swap, and then one for /home
[13:56] <Helios_> Dr_willis: Thanks for the tip...
[13:56] <Dr_willis> ages ago a seperate partition for /boot was also common.
[13:57] <mil> hey!
[13:57] <Helios_> So... how much i reserve for the /home and how much for the / and how much for the swap?
[13:57] <Dr_willis> Depends on what sort of work you are doing
[13:57] <mil> question: why is : "sudo apt-get install net-beans" doesnt work???
[13:57] <Dr_willis> !info net-beans
[13:57] <Helios_> mil: it's netbeans
[13:57] <Pici> mil: because the package name is netbeans
[13:58] <Dr_willis> :)
[13:58] <mil> ok
[13:58] <mil> thank you
[13:58] <Dr_willis> apt-cache search to the rescue
[13:58] <Helios_> welcome :)
[13:58] <mil> but where can i see the package names?
[13:58] <mil> how could i know
[13:58] <Helios_> lol... u can get them using Adept Package Manager
[13:58] <Dr_willis> apt-cache search whatever
[13:58] <noaXess> have upgraded from 7.10 to 8.04.. now my mic won't work correct.. before it worked fine.. any idea to check or reanable it?
[13:58] <Helios_> just type the name and see...
[13:59] <Helios_> they will give you the list of the corresponding names... :)
[13:59] <mil> look
[13:59] <mil> mil@mil:~$ sudo apt-get isntall netbeans
[13:59] <mil> [sudo] password for mil:
[13:59] <mil> E: Invalid operation isntall
[14:00] <mil> :(
[14:00] <Helios_> that's a bug... :S
[14:00] <mil> oops
[14:00] <mil>  isntall
[14:00] <mil> install
[14:00] <mil>  :(
[14:01] <Helios_> wait... let's google it... :D
[14:01] <mil> lol
[14:01] <mil> stuiped me
[14:01] <Helios_> lolll
[14:01] <Helios_> :P
[14:01] <mil> u use kubntu ?
[14:01] <Dr_willis> PEBKAC - at its fineist
[14:02] <Helios_> yep...
[14:02] <mil> gnome is nicer :\
[14:02] <Dr_willis> I dont find gnome nicer at all.
[14:02] <Helios_> hmmmm well as far as i have known Kubuntu is more configurable than Ubuntu (gnome) and Ubuntu is simpler to use... :)
[14:03] <Helios_> but i opted for configurability...
[14:03] <mil> well im linux novice
[14:03] <mefisto__> I find gnome ugly and stupid
[14:03] <Helios_> me too... am novice...
[14:03] <mil> i deserve ubuntu
[14:03] <Helios_> but like taking risks... :P
[14:03] <mil> you installed partition ?
[14:03] <mil> yeah me too ...!
[14:04] <Dr_willis> Focus on learning the fundamentals of linux, Dont worry about the desktop. :)
[14:04] <mil> will you be here later i must go ...!
[14:04] <mil> ?
[14:04] <Helios_> yeah was asking the same thin to Dr_willis... how i partition...
[14:04] <Helios_> lol not sure got to revise for exams... :S
[14:04] <Dr_willis> during the partitioning stage. do it manually, and make a partition for ./ and one for home and one for swap
[14:04] <Helios_> Dr_wilis: Why they put /boot as a separate partition earlier?
[14:04] <Dr_willis> !partition
[14:05] <mil> well ill bbl
[14:05] <Dr_willis> Helios_,  keeps the kernel and other boot files seperate. some disrtos do it.. its not too common now a days
[14:05] <mil> hope youll be here .. be now
[14:05] <mil> bye8
[14:05] <mil> *
[14:05] <Helios_> bye...
[14:05] <Dr_willis> and ages ago there was a 1023 cylinder limit/issue that the /boot on its own worked around
[14:06] <Helios_> Dr_willis: ah ok.. so today it is really not necessary to put a partition for boot?
[14:06] <Dr_willis>  some disrtos do it.. its not too common now a days
[14:07] <Helios_> Dr_willis: personnaly wat u recommend? :D
[14:07] <Dr_willis> do what you want.
[14:07] <Dr_willis> it depends on what you DO with the system
[14:07] <Dr_willis> I make a / and a /home and a swap. as ive said. :)
[14:07] <fildo> hey can i install kde4 on fiesty ?
[14:08] <Helios_> Dr_willis: just to learn and have some fun with the system... no heavy tasks... just basic use...
[14:08] <Dr_willis> fildo,  yes. theres a kde4 desktop package
[14:08] <fildo> or will i run into dep. issues
[14:08] <noaXess> !alsa
[14:08] <fildo> kde4base?
[14:09] <mefisto__> in Network Settings > Zeroconf service discovery, when I try to "enable zeroconf network browsing" I'm asked for password to run /usr/share/avahi/enable_avahi '1' but then get "command not found"
[14:09] <Helios_> kde4-core
[14:09] <fildo> im on 7.044
[14:09] <fildo> im on 7.04 btw
[14:10] <Dr_willis> Theres some kubuntu-kde4-desktop package.
[14:10] <Helios_> Dr_willis: how much space you have used for /, how much for /home and how much for swap?
[14:10] <Dr_willis> Helios_,  totally depends.. :) if i say i put 600gb for / and  1 tb for /home will that help you at all?
[14:11] <Dr_willis> I have a LOT of hard drives. I often set /home on its own single hard drive
[14:11] <Dr_willis> i alwyas put 512mb of swap on every hard drive in a system .
[14:11] <Helios_> Dr-willis: u are a hardcore Kubuntu user... :S
[14:11] <Dr_willis> Just in case i move them to some other machine. live cd's can always use the swap if nothing else.
[14:12] <Dr_willis> as i said. it DEPENDS on what you are doing.
[14:12] <Helios_> ok
[14:12] <Dr_willis> I used a lot of vmware  on one machine. so i had a very large / on it.
[14:13] <Helios_> hmmmm ok is 5 GB enough for the /? and 5 GB for the /home and 512MB for the swap... I am just a simple basic Kubuntu user... :D
[14:14] <Dr_willis> You only have 10gb of space for Liunux total?
[14:14] <Dr_willis> I got more WALLPAPER then that. :)
[14:14] <DangoK> Hello :)
[14:14] <Helios_> in all i got a 40GB and an 80 GB Hard Drive...
[14:14] <DangoK> can i ask a quick (or more :D ) quick questions ?
[14:14] <Helios_> so i use Windows as well
[14:14] <mefisto__> Helios_: if you're limited to 10gb, I would say 7gb for / and 3 gb for /home
[14:15] <Helios_> ok wat is /home used for mostly???
[14:15] <DangoK> i've just installed kubuntu 8.04 and i wanted to test with vids ...but doesn't seems it play anything ( avi,mkv,h264 etc) only mpeg
[14:15] <Dr_willis> If you are limited to 10gb.. id say time to go buy a bigger hd.
[14:15] <Dr_willis> :)
[14:16] <mefisto__> Helios_: for your documents, and config settings, a bit like Documents and Settings folder in windows
[14:16] <Pici> Helios_: /home is for all *your* files, documents, user settings
[14:16] <DangoK> is there some sort of codec pack like cccp for windows that can play them all ?
[14:16] <corban_> can Ubuntu Server be used as a Wireless server....like a server who's only connection to a network is thru a wireless card?
[14:16] <Dr_willis> with 10gb - i would not even bother to split up /home and /
[14:16] <Dr_willis> DangoK,  the win32codec pack is the normap thing to install on linux.
[14:16] <Dr_willis> !w32codec
[14:16] <Dr_willis> hmm what is that factoid..
[14:17] <Dr_willis> !codec
[14:17] <Helios_> ah ok so 4.5 GB will be enough and 10 GB for the / and 512MB for the swap... :D
[14:17] <Helios_> 4.5 for the /home
[14:18] <Dr_willis> With that little of space.. i wouldent even bother.
[14:18] <Dr_willis> make a / and a swap.
[14:18] <Dr_willis> actually you can resize and just leave part of the HD unallocated. and let the installer partition it as it wants.
[14:18] <Helios_> ok...
[14:19] <DangoK> Thx :) i'll check that ( i think i did) another question:i'm using a usb UMTS+ key (not a cellphone) to connect on windows ..and i didn't find a way to make it recognize ( the wiki talked about adsl modems only) so is there a way to make it work ?
[14:19] <Helios_> how i let the installer partition it as it wants?
[14:19] <Dr_willis>  resize and just leave part of the HD unallocated. and TELL the installer partition to do it automatically
[14:19] <Dr_willis> It has 3 check box's/options
[14:20] <Helios_> this is while installation isn't it?
[14:20] <mefisto__> Helios_: or you could try installing a few times with different setups, if you want to learn about the install process. It doesn't take very long
[14:20] <Helios_> Yeah, that will be a good idea... coz as it is i am learning... :P
[14:20] <mohamed__> hello all, i have some problem configure pptp client i used kvpnc but i got this error, i don't know why everytime try to open modem ttp://phpfi.com/315203  anyone can help ?
[14:21] <mefisto__> Helios_: just be careful about not wiping your existing partitions
[14:21] <Helios_> yeah... i will reserve 15GB for the Kubuntu... coz i do not use it that much, it's only experimental...
[14:22] <Helios_> btw...
[14:22] <mefisto__> Helios_: that's what I thought when I started. now I never use windows any more
[14:22] <noaXess> how can i test my microphon, after upgrading to 8.04 it won't work correct. i habe read the SoundTroubleshotting, seems all to be ok.. but can't use my mic in skype nor in audacity
[14:22] <noaXess> any idea
[14:23] <Helios_> yeah... but windows is used to play games... :P  and the other professional options are already in Kubuntu... :P  Even a word to pdf converter... :P
[14:23] <noaXess> if i unmute the mic and boost it up i can here if i speak.. but in audacity still no recording
[14:23] <Helios_> Just love open source... ;)
[14:23] <Dr_willis> Valve may be porting their Source Engine to Linux. :)
[14:23] <Helios_> wat's that? :S
[14:24] <mohamed__> anyone use pptp client ?
[14:24] <Dr_willis> You apaently dont game much either. :)
[14:24] <Dr_willis> The engine used in all the half life and related games
[14:24] <Helios_> for the time being no.... :)
[14:25] <Helios_> ah ok yeah u reminded me... :)
[14:25] <Helios_> lol i am waiting to play Assassin's Creed... :P
[14:26] <Dr_willis> I wonder what engine that one uses.
[14:26] <noaXess> any hint for my mic problem?
[14:26] <Helios_> well i think that little by little i will be transiting towards Linux...
[14:26] <Helios_> Well Assassin's Creed is from Ubisoft...
[14:26] <Helios_> And Crysis uses Crytek:P
[14:26] <Helios_> And Crysis uses Crytek :P
[14:27] <Dr_willis> Ubisoft is the distributer i thought.    I keep looking at that game.. but i aint paying $50 for a game.. when it will be $25 in a few months.
[14:27] <SiBa> Hello, I updated some days ago ubuntu to hardy with kde 3.5.9 but I have some problems with the keyboard. When I start kde lots of special chars like "at" and similars doesn't works. I tried to setup my keyboard again on kde but it didn't fix the problem. How an I fix it?
[14:28] <SiBa> I have this problem just using X but in xorg.conf it is setup as the correct keyboard
[14:31] <mefisto__> SiBa: do you have an old xorg.conf from pre-upgrade? restoring a xorg.conf backup might be an easy fix
[14:32] <SiBa> I have a really old backup file
[14:32] <SiBa> I tried running again the xorg wizard too
[14:32] <SiBa> but it didn't work
[14:32] <wirechief__> SiBa dont waste your time if you didnt check the media md5sum
[14:33] <SiBa> wirechief: what did you means? I upgraded from adept
[14:33] <wirechief__> SiBa: oh i see, well thats one of those cross your fingers and hope all works fine then.
[14:33] <BluesKaj> Howdy All
[14:34] <SiBa> ok, I'll try with the old config, thank you very much
[14:34] <wirechief__> SiBa: when you get wierd errors its probably the upgrade
[14:34] <SiBa> yes, that's for sure the upgrade :(
[14:34] <mefisto__> SiBa: but don't throw away your current xorg.conf
[14:35] <wirechief__> SiBa: good idea to make backup of your xorg.conf so you can try it later
[14:35] <Helios_> Dr_willis: i think it's HumanIK for the Assassin's Creed... :S
[14:35] <wirechief__> SiBa: i even ended up using the xorg.conf from another distro and it worked fine.
[14:35] <SiBa> ok, thanks, I'll try right now :D
[14:36] <Helios_> Hey i gt another question...
[14:36] <Helios_> when i install softwares on Kubuntu, the packages are downloaded to the apt/cache/archives...
[14:38] <Dr_willis>  - /var/cache/apt/SOMTHING -- is where they get cached to..
[14:38] <Pici>  /var/cache/apt/archives/
[14:38] <Dr_willis> or somthing like that.
[14:38] <Helios_> can i keep those downloaded packages so that when i format my hard disk and reinstall kubuntu, i will not have to download the packages again???
[14:38] <Pici> Helios_: Yes.
[14:38] <Pici> !aptoncd | Helios_
[14:38] <Helios_> how can i do that?
[14:39] <Helios_> wow cool... how i use that? :D
[14:39] <Dr_willis> Helios_,  they may be out of date by the time you reinstall. and that dir does get auto-cleaned out every so often.
[14:40] <Helios_> yeah... that's why i better save them... so that when i reinstall them and it's stil lthe same version i need not download them.... :)
[14:40] <Helios_> just put the cd and boom... :D
[14:40] <Helios_> how i do that?
[14:40] <Helios_> wait.. lemme log on to Kubuntu...
[14:40] <Helios_> i will be right back...
[14:40] <mefisto__> Helios_: but they'll probably be out of date anyway. updates come regularly
[14:41] <Dr_willis> plus old ones can expire and get removed automatically after a while - even if they are not out of date
[14:41] <Helios_> yeah... but there are some packages, like erlang... and all that.. are really quite "heavy" to download
[14:42] <Helios_> i think i will format everything at the end of the next month and start them again afresh... :D
[14:43] <Helios_> and i wanna use an image drive so that i can use the .iso images and .nrg etc...
[14:43] <Helios_> u got any recommendations?
[14:45] <Dr_willis> Not clear on what you are asking..
[14:45] <Aw0L> for some reason when I try to access administer-mode stuff in kde (like login manager), i'm not prompted with a pw box, nor am I let in
[14:45] <Aw0L> anyone know why offhand?
[14:45] <Helios_> a Virtual Drive for Kubuntu... where i can mount .iso images or .nrg images
[14:47] <Dr_willis> Helios_,  You can mount .iso files  without a 'virtual drive'
[14:47] <Dr_willis> been a feature of linux for years.
[14:47] <Dr_willis> :)
[14:47] <Dr_willis> !iso
[14:47] <Helios_> Dr_willis: How i do that??? :D
[14:47] <Dr_willis> With the mount command, or use the fuseiso, or isofuse tools.
[14:47] <Helios_> wat abt .nrg?
[14:47] <Dr_willis> dont use .nrg images.. they are a bother.
[14:48] <Dr_willis> i hear the fuseiso tool can mount them also.
[14:48] <Helios_> ok... which tools can i use to create .iso images?
[14:48] <Dr_willis> any of the cd burning tools can make .iso files
[14:48] <Dr_willis> k3b is the normal one for kde
[14:48] <Helios_> ok even the Kubuntu cd burning tool? :D
[14:48] <Helios_> ok...
[14:48] <viperserv2> hmm do u need apache to setup forums??
[14:49] <Helios_> and how can i convert .nrg to .iso?
[14:49] <l3on> Hi all.. someone know how I can change plasma theme in kde4? I've extracted theme in ".kde4/share/apps/desktoptheme/" and now???
[14:49] <Dr_willis> No idea on that Helios_  - I dont mess with nrg much if ever.
[14:49] <BluesKaj> l3on, ask in #kubuntu-kde4
[14:50] <Helios_> ok no prob... thanks
[14:50] <BluesKaj> nrg = nero image files
[14:50] <l3on> tnx
[14:54] <keko_> Hello.
[14:54] <mefisto__> Helios_: there is a tool nrg2iso
[14:58] <noaXess> !java
[15:00] <BluesKaj> Choosing Java Client 'sudo update-alternatives --config java'
[15:00] <noaXess> BluesKaj: my problem is to enable the firefox plugin
[15:00] <noaXess> sun-java6-jre is installed and work..
[15:01] <BluesKaj> noaXess, go with sun-java6
[15:02] <noaXess> BluesKaj: :].. really?..
[15:02] <BluesKaj> noaXess, also make sure you have jav-common installed
[15:02] <noaXess> i know.. but the plugin for firefox..
[15:02] <noaXess> yes it is
[15:02] <BluesKaj> java-common
[15:02] <noaXess> firefox plugin
[15:03] <noaXess> update-java-alternatives -l says java-6-sun 63 /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun.. and it is the default java
[15:03] <noaXess> cause it's the only one that is installed
[15:04] <BluesKaj> noaXess, also sun-java6-plugin
[15:06] <jasmin_> hi
[15:07] <ler_hydra> hey all, is gtk skinning broken (defaulting to motif-like skin) on 8.04/3.5.9 or is my config bad?
[15:07] <noaXess> BluesKaj: okay.. now sun-java6-plugin is installed.. but firefox can't run website with java applets..
[15:07] <noaXess> just says: install missing plugins...
[15:07] <ler_hydra> it worked fine on 7.10
[15:07] <jasmin_> http://pastebin.dylanhq.com/115
[15:07] <BluesKaj> noaXess, restart FF
[15:08] <noaXess> really.. :) i do that.. trust me
[15:08] <noaXess> where should the plugin be?
[15:10] <jasmin_> noaXess: can u helpme out http://pastebin.dylanhq.com/115
[15:10] <jlido> My attempt to do a distribution upgrade from gutsy to hardy failed.  I've been trying to repair it, but no luck yet.
[15:11] <jlido> My mouse cursor won't move.  :D
[15:11] <noaXess> jasmin_: hm.. not a compiz guru.. what have you done
[15:12] <jlido> What happens to my existing configuration if I do a CD install over my semi-broken configuration?
[15:13] <ler_hydra> (I am no expert) jlido I did that once when my 7.10 upgrade died, it went quite well, formatted /, kept /home and remounted it in the same place (they were on seperate partitions)
[15:13] <ler_hydra> apps were lost, settings kept (as most are kept in ~/)
[15:14] <ler_hydra> it may be a good idea to backup config files that are not in ~/
[15:14] <jlido> Well, I meant more what happens to  /etc and apps
[15:14] <noaXess> hey BluesKaj.. now any idea? i still have no java plugin in firefox
[15:14] <jlido> obviously if I format / they go away
[15:15] <jlido> A format and reinstall is an option, though
[15:15] <ler_hydra> I found formatting / the easiest solution, though if you've got lots of manually installed programs I can see the problems with that
[15:15] <jlido> I've just done a lot of configuration (which is probably why the upgrade failed)
[15:15] <jlido> ironically
[15:15] <ler_hydra> oh I see
[15:15] <ler_hydra> heh
[15:16] <ler_hydra> couldn't you just copy the config files to a partition that you won't wipe?
[15:16] <jlido> Well, right now the only problem I've found is the X11 pointer not working
[15:16] <jlido> Which I guess implicates xorg.conf and/org udev
[15:17] <jlido> org -> or
[15:17] <ler_hydra> I don't think I can help you there
[15:17] <ler_hydra> outside of my range
[15:17] <jlido> yeah, I can back up (I'm doing that as we speak)
[15:17] <aaroncampbell_> I'm having Java Problems on Hardy.  Every time I try to install or run Zend Studio, I get Locking assertion failure. a couple times, with accompanying backtraces
[15:18] <ler_hydra> I guess I've just got some windows-attitude left (when broken, and a 10 minute google doesn't help, reinstall)
[15:19] <ler_hydra> jlido, do you by chance have any gtk app installed, and if so could you open it up and see if it's ugly (motif-esque) or looks similar to the way it did in 7.10?
[15:20] <jlido> well, without a mouse that's hard
[15:20] <ler_hydra> hmm, true
[15:20] <jlido> I did notice that gtk1.2 was one of the packages that failed the upgrade
[15:21] <ler_hydra> oh? interesting
[15:21] <jlido> I've since tried to repair that manually
[15:21] <jlido> removed the app depending on it and it and then reinstalled the app
[15:22] <jlido> Is there a way to backup manually installed apps?
[15:22] <ler_hydra> not that I know of, it sounds pretty non-trivial
[15:23] <jlido> I know that I could when I was running gentoo
[15:23] <ler_hydra> oh? fully automated?
[15:23] <jlido> yeah
[15:23] <ler_hydra> neat
[15:24] <jlido> gentoo is pretty awesome.  Too bad it takes so much energy to tweak.
[15:25] <ler_hydra> I've never run it myself, though I've heard many people say things to the same effect
[15:25] <aaroncampbell_> Does anyone know where the actual .desktop files are for the items in my "quick launcher" ?
[15:25] <ler_hydra> so it's not a "run out of the box" dist I take it
[15:25] <Dr_willis> !clone
[15:26] <ler_hydra> !automate
[15:26] <jlido> thanks ubottu
[15:26] <jlido> :)
[15:27] <ligemeget> !dolphin
[15:27] <ler_hydra> interesting
[15:27] <ler_hydra> that assumes you only have (or at least mostly have) apps from the apt reps
[15:28] <ler_hydra> which is a fair assumption for most cases
[15:29] <jlido> Right.  I only have a couple of manually installed apps
[15:29] <Dr_willis> I juar write my own script that apt-get isntalls the extras that i like.
[15:30] <BluesKaj> noaXess, there is another one to try , GCJ Web Browser Plugin (using IcedTea) 1.0, you may need to DL it.
[15:32] <noaXess> BluesKaj: jep i see.. and its in the repos..
[15:32] <noaXess> and teh default in hardy.. they said
[15:34] <ligemeget> !kde4
[15:34] <wesley> !adeptfix
[15:35] <mefisto__> noaXess: I have libjavaplugin_oji.so and libjavaplugin.so in ~/.mozilla/plugins    if that helps
[15:35] <ligemeget> QUESTION: How can I make Firefox my default web browser in Kubuntu?
[15:35] <noaXess> mefisto__: thanks.. yes that helps :)
[15:36] <mefisto__> noaXess: wait, they are symlinks to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/
[15:36] <noaXess> mefisto__: okay.. i haven't them.. but have installed all what it need
[15:37] <aaroncampbell_> Does anyone know where the actual .desktop files are for the items in my "quick launcher" ?
[15:37] <chakie> since hardy my ipod has stopped working. before i would always get a dolphin window with the contents and then amarok would sync. now dolphin pops up and says "isCallerPrivileged failed" and that's it. also "Safely remove" on the device worked ok before but now i get an error: "The device was successfully unmounted, but could not be ejected"
[15:38] <chakie> what to do, what to do? downgrade to feisty where all worked fine?
[15:39] <ligemeget> chakie, I have the same problem. It has been reported to Launchpad somewhere
[15:39] <ligemeget> (the  "could not eject" problem)
[15:39] <chakie> ligemeget: ok
[15:39] <chakie> seems the ipod is treated as a dvd drive which can be ejected :)
[15:40] <chakie> syncing is a serious problem though. if i can't access my music i'll have to change to another distro
[15:40] <chakie> and i hate ripping out my ipod while it says "Do not disconnect"
[15:40] <ligemeget> me too
[15:41] <noaXess> mefisto__: how to force generating the java plugin files into .mozilla/plugin?
[15:41] <weswh-> does anyone have any reference for how to install the nvidia binary driver in KDE4 Remix?
[15:41] <ligemeget> QUESTION: In GNOME the update-manager is able to display a description of the updates available (a changelog) - how do I view that in KDE?
[15:42] <noaXess> !java
[15:42] <chakie> ligemeget: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-hal-device-manager/+bug/217550
[15:42] <mefisto__> noaXess: have you searched for libjavaplugin.so ?
[15:42] <noaXess> mefisto__: not jep
[15:42] <noaXess> yet
[15:44] <noaXess> mefisto__: what java versio have you installed?
[15:44] <noaXess> sun-java or opensdk-java
[15:44] <mefisto__> sun-java
[15:44] <kalib> mefisto__ what r u trying to do?
[15:44] <noaXess> mefisto__: sun-java6?
[15:44] <mefisto__> and sun-java6-plugin
[15:45] <mefisto__> yes sun-java6
[15:45] <noaXess> okay.. i will try also with this. then under 7.10 it worked.. it won't since upgrading to 8.04
[15:45] <xinbao> chakie: i don't quit fellow you ,but i think the lately fullcircle magazine will help you , it has a archive discussed how to let ipod to work fine on amarok
[15:45] <mefisto__> kalib: just trying to help noaXess get java working with firefox
[15:45] <kalib> mefisto__ r u guys trying to do it with firefox 3.0?
[15:46] <mefisto__> noaXess: I'm using FF3. haven't tried ff2 to see if java works in hardy
[15:46] <kalib> mefisto__ i'm using firefox 3 with my kubuntu hardy...it's working...
[15:46] <noaXess> mefisto__: ff3 is still beta, thats why i use ff2
[15:47] <kalib> but u can use ff3 with java... that's not a big problem
[15:47] <kalib> for me..it's working perfectly
[15:48] <chakie> xinbao: it has been working for for more then a year and with two previous kubuntu versions. hardy broke it
[15:48] <chakie> "fine for"
[15:49] <noaXess> mefisto__: i think, if i want using ff2, then i need create ln's to the plungin file
[15:51] <BluesKaj> noaXess, I found that konqueror works much better as a web browser in Hardy 8.04 than the beta FF, so I switched to konq.
[15:52] <BluesKaj> Konqueror even renders the gmail site perfectly now so there have been a some real improvements
[15:52] <xim__> What's the best way from a KDE gui to mount something over ssh? I was thinking of writing an sshfs service menu for kde but didn't want to re-invent the wheel if i can avoid it
[15:53] <xinbao> chakie: I do not know this question very much,:(
[15:55] <mefisto__> first site I try with konqueror, makes it crash trying to load (smh.com.au)
[15:56]  * xim__ crashes konqueror with smh.com.au
[15:56] <xim__> lol
[15:57] <xim__> actually, it's been sigsev-ing 3x every 10mins or so as I've been browsing local intranet. buggy little thing, isn't it?
[15:57] <TimS> Random programs keep freezing, its mainly Konqueror, firefox and swiftfox. Usualy when on sites like Google Reader, it locks up for twenty seconds, works for twenty then locks up again. Any ideas as to what it could be
[15:57] <mefisto__> konqueror is almost great. just a little too frustrating for me
[15:58] <TimS> Its happend with amarok and kopete a bit too
[15:58] <gibon> dudes , i need to edit sources.list file (to instal skype) but i'm not root (UID 1000) don't know why , any way to make a root account ?
[15:59] <xim__> mefisto, interestingly your error points to something in libkhtml
[15:59] <xinbao> gibon: just use sudo command ,like :  sudo gedit youfilename
[15:59] <xim__> however, trying that link in other libkhtml browsers doesn't have that problem... go fig
[16:01] <aaroncampbell_> Does anyone know where the actual .desktop files are for the items in my "quick launcher" ?
[16:02] <xim__> ~/.kde/*
[16:02] <xim__> probably .kde/share/ something er rather
[16:03] <jacksparrot> hey guys!, could someone help me with my Flash? i got it installed... but i cant play youtube videos etc. ? i just get a gray box instead of the video! pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeee
[16:03] <xim__> i'm having a poke around there to find service menus
[16:03] <xim__> like /usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus/media_mount.desktop etc
[16:03] <weswh-> no one has done the nvidia driver in kde4 from scratch/
[16:03] <xim__> I use clive for youtube
[16:04] <jacksparrot> but... i want to play WoW etc. so i think i need flash for it aswell dont i ?
[16:05] <mefisto__> there's /usr/share/apps/kicker/applets/quicklauncher.desktop -- but do you know that quicklauncher works by creating it's own .desktop files?
[16:05] <xim__> that doesn't help you, but since i hate flash to death, i just "clive http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtFtcZZ80" or simply 'clive YtFtcZZ80' and d/l to the desktop etc
[16:05] <jacksparrot> oh
[16:06] <xim__> minimal flash stuff, i use Gnash
[16:06] <xim__> though it's pretty rough around the edges for signifigant use still
[16:06] <TimS> How can I find what kernel I am running
[16:07] <llutz> TimS: uname -r
[16:07] <TimS> Thnaks
[16:07] <TimS> Thanks*
[16:08] <weswh-> i love kde4...but thinking about going back to kde3 just due to documentation gap
[16:08] <xim__> yeah, understandable
[16:09] <xim__> that and the attitude i usually get for support is "Well DUH you asshat, you installed X.0.0 software!"
[16:09] <mefisto__> jacksparrot: does /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so exist?
[16:09] <noaXess> mefisto__: i see now the problem between ff2 and java.. ff2 saves the pluginreg.dat in .mozilla/firefox.. ff3 does it in .mozilla/firefox/profile.path.default/
[16:10] <weswh-> yeah
[16:10] <jacksparrot> Medisto_: how do i find out?
[16:10] <weswh-> i guess my only question now is do i continue to run amd64...or do i go back to i386 as well? (have a core2duo now)
[16:10] <xim__> though i didn't really "go back" per se. I have both, and just use the kde4 login manager to select kde3 (which then becomes default since i'm set to use the last login manager used as the next login mgr used etc). allows me to try it when updates come every month or so since i anticipate an interesting 0.1 release
[16:11] <mefisto__> jacksparrot: go to /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/ directory and see if libflashplayer.so is there
[16:11] <weswh-> is software generally less compatible for amd64?
[16:11] <xim__> I'm not sure what you're thinking
[16:12] <xim__> weswh: kde is pretty much available for anything
[16:12] <[Relic]> If I install 64bit version over 32bit version drive will the grub work properly if I format the drive sections swap and root?
[16:12] <weswh-> the "if you need support for 32bit code, use x86" is what gets me
[16:12] <weswh-> like, makes me think i'll go to use some app, and it won't work...even though my system works fine
[16:13] <xim__> ic
[16:13] <jacksparrot> i dont know how to get there mefisto! please tell me what to open (kubuntu 7.10)
[16:13] <xim__> if you want kde3/4 find kde-base in adept or apt-get install kde (re:revert to kde3 question)
[16:14] <aaroncampbell_> xim__: that's not them.  I only have 6 items in my quick launcher, and there are a bunch there (50ish)
[16:14] <aaroncampbell_> Does anyone know where the actual .desktop files are for the items in my "quick launcher" ?
[16:14] <xim__> jacksparrot "konqueror /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/"
[16:14] <mefisto__> jacksparrot: open konqueror and paste /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree in location bar
[16:15] <guilhermeblanco> zubin: you there?
[16:15] <mefisto__> jacksparrot: or in console, type cd /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree  -- then type ls to get a list of files in that directory
[16:15] <noaXess> HA.. THE SOLUTION: hardy, ff2 and java :) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=782167
[16:15] <luc_> I am looking for a specialist on syncing Kontact with egroupware
[16:15] <jacksparrot> Yeah Flash is there!
[16:15]  * noaXess is jumping around
[16:16] <mefisto__> noaXess: and it's working now?
[16:16] <noaXess> jahoooo :)
[16:16] <noaXess> yes mefisto__ it works.. :)
[16:16] <noaXess> just a simple symlink and all is done..
[16:16] <noaXess> and thanks for tips and hints..
[16:16] <mefisto__> jacksparrot: and have you restarted firefox since installing flashplayer?
[16:17] <xim__> jacksparrot: in your browser, type about:plugins
[16:17] <jacksparrot> Mefisto_, the flash is there.. but obviously not working i guess, And YES i have restarted .. even the whole computer
[16:17] <luc_> I get errors, myuser name I get the  error that I need to logon however
[16:17] <xim__> I've never needed a browser restart to allow for plugins (konq or ff) but ymmv
[16:17] <xim__> and it couldn't hurt
[16:18] <luc_> my username i crypted in a dialog box wherei can only put in the password
[16:18] <luc_> is cryted
[16:18] <xim__> jacksparrot:so instead of http://ubuntu.com type about:plugins
[16:18] <xim__> sorry, in the url bar
[16:18] <jacksparrot> i wrote that, then what?
[16:18] <xim__> hit enter :)
[16:19] <jacksparrot> i did that :P
[16:19] <xim__> seriously, do you see flash listed or not?
[16:19] <jacksparrot> hold up lemme chek
[16:19] <xim__> ;)
[16:19] <jacksparrot> shockwave flash yes
[16:19] <jacksparrot> 2 of em
[16:19] <xim__> hmm
[16:21] <xim__>  jacksparrot, what hardware are you running? is it 64bit cpu / distro?
[16:21] <jacksparrot> Wayyyyyyyyyyy older :P its like 4-6 years old... but flash ran perfectly on my Win XP
[16:21] <xim__> cool
[16:22] <xim__> fwiw, 64 bit has been around for over 4yrs but i'll assume you're telling me it's not a 64bit install
[16:23] <jacksparrot> yep its not 64bit ... believe me :D
[16:23] <xim__> because i just googled, and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=691302 sounded like your issue etc
[16:23] <xim__> no clue m8 ;)
[16:24] <mefisto__> jacksparrot: in konqueror, paste ~/.mozilla  -- is there a folder called plugins?
[16:24] <jacksparrot> ok hold on lemme find it
[16:25] <jacksparrot> i cant find it, i just see pluhinreg.dat
[16:25] <jacksparrot> pluginreg.dat'
[16:25] <xim__> if i had firefox installed, my guess is there's a /usr/lib/firefox/plugins folder
[16:26] <xim__> and similarly, a ~./mozilla/plugins as mefisto mentioned
[16:26] <jacksparrot> nope, i got a Gl14j5xy.default folder, but NO pluginfolder there
[16:26] <xim__> so that's odd
[16:27] <xim__> *~/.
[16:27] <[Relic]> wouldn't it be .mozilla/firefox/<whatevet>
[16:28] <jacksparrot> in the Gl14j5xy.default, theres a folder called 'extensions'
[16:29] <xim__> are there any CLI wizards here?
[16:30] <xim__> I'm trying to writeup this .desktop for the services-menu in konqueror etc. I want to be able to right click in a directory, and mount it.
[16:30] <jacksparrot> CLI? hold on..
[16:30] <xim__> sshfs -o idmap=user 192.168.0.1:/data ~/sshDir etc
[16:30] <smeril> hw can i change themes in ardy heron?
[16:30] <jacksparrot> none CLI
[16:30] <xim__> sorry, not on about your issue atm jacks
[16:31] <xim__> sadly, whenever i come here for help i'm always sidetracked w/ others problems and forget my own
[16:31] <smeril> do i have to install compiz?
[16:32] <nosrednaekim> xim__: whats the problem exactly?
[16:32] <mefisto__> jacksparrot: flash should be working, but you could try this: in konsole, type mkdir "~/.mozilla/plugins" then type "ln -s /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so ~/.mozilla/plugins/"  (without the quotes of course)
[16:33] <smeril> do you might know how to change desktop theme?
[16:33] <xim__> well, instead of going to a terminal and typing mkdir ~/sshDir && sshfs -o idmap=user 192.168..1:/STUFF ~/sshDir etc i'd like to right click in a current directory and mount there
[16:33] <mefisto__> jacksparrot: that first one is "mkdir ~/.mozilla/plugins"
[16:34] <xim__> i'm just WAY to new to this and only think this is possible by poking around and finding the service-menu .desktop files and noticing they use  for current directory
[16:34] <jacksparrot> ok hold on
[16:35] <nosrednaekim> xim__: so you want to know where the service menus are?
[16:35] <xim__> of course the problem is that if i did mkdir  i'd have a mount directory of something like fish://12.44.155.2/stuff
[16:35] <nosrednaekim>  /usr/share/apps/konqueror
[16:35] <jacksparrot> well... mefisto i did that, is something supposed to happen now
[16:35] <xim__> ehm, no
[16:36] <xim__> no, those are at /usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus/media_mount.desktop, I knew that since that's how i read the .desktop files etc
[16:36] <nosrednaekim> oh..ok
[16:36] <xim__> i'm in need of CLI help, or help writing the .desktop files to make use of fuse / mounting
[16:36] <nosrednaekim> xim__: ah..ok, can we take this to PM?
[16:36] <xim__> sure
[16:37] <xim__> oh, apparently i can't since i'm not registered :(
[16:37] <mefisto__> jacksparrot: if that worked right, you should now have ~/.mozilla/plugins with libflashplayer.so inside it, displayed in italics in konqueror
[16:37] <nosrednaekim> xim__: join #nosrednaekim
[16:37] <xim__> ah, good idea :D
[16:40] <jacksparrot> yeah flash is there now, should i try to go to Youtube now ?
[16:40] <mefisto__> jacksparrot: give it a try. if it still doesn't work, restart FF and try again
[16:41] <jacksparrot> YES!!!!!!!!!!!! babyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy its working!!
[16:41] <jacksparrot> thanks mate ! alot!!!
[16:41] <mefisto__> wooo!
[16:41] <jacksparrot> can u help me with live messenger aswell? :P i like the windows version
[16:44] <mefisto__> jacksparrot: don't know much about IM but there is emesene, which tries to mimic the windows MSN messenger. is that what you want?
[16:44] <BluesKaj> jacksparrot, look into an app called 'emesene'
[16:44] <jacksparrot> yeah i can try that
[16:44] <jacksparrot> how do i download it?
[16:44] <jacksparrot> sudo apt-get install emesene?
[16:45] <mefisto__> yep
[16:45] <jacksparrot> oki
[16:45] <jacksparrot> trying it now..
[16:46] <jacksparrot> E: Couldn't find package emesene
[16:46] <jacksparrot> :P
[16:47] <nosrednaekim> !info emesene
[16:47] <BluesKaj> jacksparrot,  #Enabling More Repositories In AdeptOpen Adept Package Manager, On the menu of that screen click on Adept -> Manage Repositories, click the Kubuntu Software tab, check all the boxes "X".The same goes for the Third Party Software tab. Close,and then in the terminal type " sudo apt-get update ".Now, you have more sources for applications other than the defaults that came with Kubuntu.
[16:47] <Helios> :D
[16:48] <BluesKaj> !medibuntu
[16:48] <nat2610> hi
[16:49] <amartone> j
[16:49] <Trae> is the K4 stuff "alpha" or can I consider it a stable release?
[16:49] <Trae> sorry beta
[16:49] <nat2610> I can't find the page or the command to upgrade my distro, I currently have feisty and would like to upgrade to the latest kunbunu (8.04)
[16:49] <nosrednaekim> Trae: its decently stable, yes
[16:49] <nat2610> can someone give me a hint on the command or an url with a doc for that
[16:50] <Trae> nosrednaekim, k thanks
[16:50] <BluesKaj> nat2610, you'll have to upgrade to gutsy , then hardy , (I think)
[16:50] <Faust-C> can tar extract rar files
[16:50] <mefisto__> nat2610: if you can't get it to work with adept, to do it in konsole, type do-release-upgrade
[16:50]  * Faust-C doesnt remember
[16:51] <xim__> Trae: As stable as beta, as feature complete (relative to kde3.5.9) as an alpha or less imho :)
[16:51] <nat2610> mefisto__: thanks, that's what I was looking for !
[16:51] <mefisto__> nat2610: oh feisty, not sure if that command exists in feisty
[16:51] <Helios> Wat do nisternal and std are doing on the KDE 4.0.4?
[16:51] <BluesKaj> mefisto__, you sure that will work , upgrading from feisty ?
[16:51] <Helios> nixternal*
[16:51] <jacksparrot> ok
[16:51] <nat2610> yeah it's in. I just tried
[16:52] <mefisto__> BluesKaj: it should upgrade to gutsy first (I assume)
[16:52] <genii> mefisto__: Yes, only way to skip intermediate releases is go from LTS to LTS
[16:57] <mefisto__> nat2610: it might be easier downloading the hardy ISO and doing a new install. certainly less downloading involved
[16:58] <nat2610> yeah but with all the program and conf I did I d rather wait and get this install automatcly done
[17:00] <mefisto__> nat2610: back up your xorg.conf -- it might make an easy fix to problems after both upgrades are done (just in case)
[17:02] <atle> how do i set KDE4 default?
[17:03] <nosrednaekim> atle: login...with it, and it will be the deafult until you change it
[17:03] <BluesKaj> remove kde3
[17:03] <atle> nosrednaekim: so easy ;)
[17:04] <atle> BluesKaj: i'd like to have kde3 as a backup a bit longer..
[17:04] <jacksparrot> Peopol, i chekked all the boxes in ADEPT updater, and sudo apt-get update but still it wont find "emesene" when i type install emesene (sudo apt-get install...)
[17:04] <BluesKaj> atle, yeah, I recommend you keep kde3 , cuz 4 is a PITA :)
[17:05] <atle> hehe
[17:05] <atle> starts to look good though
[17:05] <BluesKaj> looks ain't everything
[17:05] <atle> tested it when it was released, then it was buggy.. now it seems more stable
[17:05] <atle> you're right
[17:05] <BluesKaj> BBL , errands ...
[17:06] <atle> oh, anyone else having problems with "preview" in dolphin in kde4? works fine in kde3
[17:07] <nosrednaekim> atle: nope.... BTW, the kde4 channel is #kubuntu-kde4
[17:07] <jacksparrot> Peopol, i chekked all the boxes in ADEPT updater, and sudo apt-get update but still it wont find "emesene" when i type install emesene (sudo apt-get install...)
[17:07] <atle> nosrednaekim: thanks, didn't know that
[17:07] <genii> nosrednaekim: Wel, there's usually only a handful of ppl in there though
[17:07] <nosrednaekim> jacksparrot: are you on hardy?
[17:08] <narothepharoh> how do i install mp3 for k3b?
[17:10] <genii> !mp3
[17:11] <jacksparrot> im on kubuntu 7.10
[17:12] <nosrednaekim> jacksparrot: therein lies the issue :)
[17:13] <nosrednaekim> !info emesene (gutsy)
[17:13] <narothepharoh> genii: I know its lib something but i cant remember do you know that way?
[17:13] <nosrednaekim> narothepharoh: libk3b2-mp3 IIRC
[17:13] <jacksparrot> oh
[17:13] <jacksparrot> oki
[17:13] <nosrednaekim> !find link3b2
[17:14] <nosrednaekim> !find libk3b2
[17:14] <nosrednaekim> there you go! the second one
[17:14] <mefisto__> jacksparrot: you can get a gutsy version here: http://www.getdeb.net/release.php?id=2351
[17:14] <genii> narothepharoh: Also for the DVDs it's libcss2 or such
[17:14] <genii> Need medibuntu though
[17:16] <narothepharoh> It is now  libk3b2-extracodecs to install i guess but thanks anyways
[17:20] <kristian__> Hi. Can someone tell me, if it is possible to install the "low latency kernel" in Hardy? I don't really feel for using Ubuntu Studio...
[17:21] <nosrednaekim> !realtime
[17:21] <nosrednaekim> kristian__: yes... you can
[17:21] <nosrednaekim> I think it has the suffix -rt
[17:21] <genii> Yup
[17:22] <kristian__> Thanks, where can I find the files for this kernel?
[17:22] <ASUS-tek> kristian how good is ubuntu studio
[17:22] <mefisto__> linux-image-rt should do it, right?
[17:22] <kristian__> I don't know, but I don't like GTK/Gnome...
[17:22] <ASUS-tek> is it worth installing instated of ubuntu or kubuntu
[17:23] <ASUS-tek> is it good for watching mves and vdios
[17:23] <genii> !info linux-image-rt
[17:23] <kristian__> I think realtime kernel for me is a bit much, too radical...
[17:23] <mefisto__> radical?
[17:24] <kristian__> I only need the "low latency" one, in a realtime setup too many things can and will break.
[17:24] <mefisto__> the realtime one is the low latency one
[17:25] <mefisto__> kristian__: in any case, your other kernels will still be installed, and you can choose which one to boot
[17:25] <kristian__> I believe there exist two different kernels, one that is low latency and one that is realtime.
[17:25] <kristian__> "I've been testing the realtime kernel and I've had random X server hangs. These seem to lock up the whole PCI bus sometimes, because the NIC becomes unresponsive. These do not occur with the low-latency or generic kernels."
[17:25] <weswh-> i just downloaded the amd64-desktop version (standard), choose livecd, and install - got through the "kubuntu" grapic, and then black screen. sits forever, press enter, spits the disc back out. strange thing is the kde4 disc worked fine on my system, have it installed now.
[17:26] <weswh-> i checked the md5 - it's cool...sound like just a coaster maybe?
[17:26] <kristian__> mefisto__: Thanks, can you tell me how to make this choice during startup?
[17:27] <genii> mefisto__: There used to be specifically a lowlatency kernel, but I do not think it exists now
[17:27] <kristian__> mefisto__: ... and, perhaps, where to find the other kernels?
[17:27] <kristian__> genii: Oh, that would explain it...
[17:27] <genii> !info linux-image-lowlatency feisty
[17:28] <mefisto__> kristian__: sudo apt-get install linux-rt
[17:28] <kristian__> Yes, thanks.
[17:28] <genii> Hmm. Bot can't separate the !info by dista ny longer :(
[17:28] <mefisto__> kristian__: it will be a new item in grub menu before boot
[17:28] <kristian__> So this is the kernel in Ubuntu Studio, now? The linux-rt?
[17:28] <mefisto__> yes
[17:28] <genii> kristian__: Yes
[17:28] <wirechief__> weswh check md5 with md5sum /dev/cdrom  with cd in it that will give you md5 of cd
[17:29] <kristian__> Great, thanks.
[17:29] <genii> kristian__: Thats why it was a bit confusing.
[17:29] <kristian__> genii: yes, I think so.
[17:30] <mefisto__> kristian__: apt-cache search ubuntustudio will give you a list of ubuntustudio meta-packages you can install, if that's what you want
[17:31] <kristian__> mefisto__: thanks :)
[17:32] <wirechief__> weswh check md5 with md5sum /dev/cdrom  with cd in it that will give you md5 of cd (if you burned DAO/SAO
[17:32] <mefisto__> kristian__: you want to do audio, I assume?
[17:32] <kristian__> mefisto__: I do :)
[17:32] <djphe> hey que pasa buenas tardes
[17:33] <kristian__> mefisto__: any experience?
[17:33] <ASUS-tek> which launguage is that
[17:33] <kristian__> djphe: buenas tardes
[17:33] <ASUS-tek> wtf
[17:33] <ASUS-tek> english plz
[17:33] <kristian__> Sorry
[17:33] <mefisto__> kristian__: I installed ubuntustudio-audio, that gave me plenty of apps to play with.
[17:33] <djphe> estoy configurando konversation y parece que funciona que gusto
[17:33] <djphe> hola kristian
[17:34] <nosrednaekim> !es
[17:34] <ASUS-tek> ya english only plz
[17:34] <djphe> ok men
[17:34] <ASUS-tek> am here to learn i cant understand any thing
[17:35] <djphe> but if the information is free why isnt free the languaje
[17:35] <djphe> ?
[17:35] <ASUS-tek> if i start spking hindi and India lung u wont even understand any thing
[17:36] <ASUS-tek> ther are more then 3000 differnt laung and dilect so u should only spk english
[17:36] <ASUS-tek> god know more then that
[17:37] <JuJuBee> How do I make it so when a user creates a file or folder within the public_html folder, it sets the group to www-data and chmod 750 the file/folder?
[17:39] <martalli> The repositories are so slow these days
[17:40] <mefisto__> martalli: you can use the "find best server" button in adept > manage repositories
[17:41] <stdin> JuJuBee: you need to chgrp public_html to have the group sticky bit. so sudo chmod g+srx should do
[17:41] <stdin> JuJuBee: *chgrp to www-date and chown
[17:41] <martalli> mefisto__: Thanks for the tip
[17:41] <JuJuBee> THe sticky bit will set the gid to the enclosing folders gid?
[17:42] <stdin> JuJuBee: should be for anything created in the dir
[17:42] <JuJuBee> Should this be set for /home/username or just /home/username/public_html ?
[17:43] <JuJuBee> In your opinion
[17:44] <stdin> just for the public_html dir
[17:45] <stdin> although the umode may overide the mode of files to 644
[17:47] <JuJuBee> I did a test and when I created a file in public_html, it got the correct gid, but the chmod was wrong.  It was 760 rather than 750 (mod of public_html)
[17:48] <viperserv2> i wish i had a public http
[17:49] <raket> hey flaccid
[17:49] <kunwon1> My gutsy kubuntu box is hard-freezing at random times when the system's under heavy load - How would I determine what's causing this?
[17:50] <Daisuke_Laptop> if it's just heavy load, look into heat issues.
[17:50] <raket> ...
[17:51] <kunwon1> It's not heat.
[17:51] <raket> hey people, how would I update firefox to the newest version, since adept won't do it for me?
[17:51] <kunwon1> I've already ruled that out./
[17:51] <raket> I though I should add some repos or something?
[17:52] <xim__> does anyone know how to use the unix find command to search contents of files in a directory and display the text in the terminal?
[17:52] <weswh-> to what extent can the system take advantage of a dual core processor if running the i386 version?
[17:52] <nosrednaekim> weswh-: fully
[17:52] <xim__> i use this so infrequently, and can never remember the syntax
[17:52] <stdin> JuJuBee: the default mode of new files/dirs is set by the umask
[17:53] <jacksparrot>  i plugged a USB in... but cant find it? where is it :P (kubuntu 7.10)
[17:53] <JuJuBee> where to I change the umask
[17:53] <nosrednaekim> xim__: heh... I'm not that good :)
[17:53] <nosrednaekim> and intellikey ain't here...
[17:53] <genii> raket: No. Open up the firefox.cfg file, usually someplace like /usr/lib/firefox<someversionhere>    and edit line: lockPref("app.update.enabled", false);    to read: lockPref("app.update.enabled", true);
[17:54] <jacksparrot> i plugged a USB in... but cant find it? where is it :P (kubuntu 7.10)
[17:54] <genii> jacksparrot: If it found it, then in /media
[17:54] <Halc0x> dudes how to find how many bits is Kubuntu 8.04 (32-bit or 64-bit) ?
[17:54] <nosrednaekim> Halc0x: whichever one you installed
[17:54] <genii> Halc0x: Both
[17:54] <Halc0x> lol O_o
[17:54] <Halc0x> i don't know what i installed
[17:55] <stdin> JuJuBee: it's a shell setting, so in ~/.bashrc
[17:55] <genii> Halc0x: uname -a      will tell you
[17:55] <JuJuBee> stdin : is there a way to set it globally so world gets nothing?
[17:55] <Halc0x> UTC 2008 x86_64 , this mean it's 64 ?
[17:55] <genii> Halc0x: Yes
[17:56] <genii> Halc0x: Wait
[17:56] <Halc0x> Thanks for the help dudes :-)
[17:57] <genii> Halc0x: Yes, 64... i had to ssh into my 64 bit box from this 32 bit one to check :)
[17:58] <Halc0x> genii Thanks for the big help dude , and sorry for waisting your time
[17:58] <genii> Halc0x: No worries, and you're welcome
[17:58] <stdin> JuJuBee: putting it in /etc/environment  would probably do it; umask 0017 should do it
[17:58] <azwa> hi
[17:58] <JuJuBee> stdin : does the umask setting in etc/profile apply to GUI or only bash?
[17:58] <JuJuBee> Beat me to it...
[17:58] <azwa> i'm now using huawei e220 with kubuntu
[17:59] <JuJuBee> do yo umean 0027 ?  I want rwxr-x---
[17:59] <JuJuBee> Will environment set for cli and gui?
[17:59] <azwa> until now i'm unable to use konqueror to browse the internet
[17:59] <JuJuBee> What about remote like scp and sftp and samba?
[18:00] <stdin> JuJuBee: 0007 would be rw-rw----
[18:00] <azwa> i'm connecting through kppp
[18:01] <JuJuBee> I don't understand umask then.
[18:01] <stdin> files don't get the executable bit set by default
[18:01] <stdin> dirs dor
[18:01] <stdin> *do
[18:01] <raket> hey genii, I just saw that you wrote to me. I am wondering though, with what you're telling me I am not installing another copy of firefox right?
[18:01] <JuJuBee> so if a file needs x, then how does it get set?
[18:02] <stdin> JuJuBee: you do it manually
[18:02] <genii> raket: That will update whatever version you have to the newest version there is (stable)
[18:02] <genii> raket: So yes, new version
[18:03] <JuJuBee> ok, so then do the files (all) in the public_html folder and down need 640 ?
[18:03] <raket> genii, alright and is this possible for all apps or just certain ones?
[18:03] <genii> JuJuBee: Default file creation in unix has no x bit set because it's a security problem where any new created app could be run
[18:04] <stdin> JuJuBee: with umask 0007 they get 660
[18:04] <genii> raket: Only in this case firefox
[18:04] <stdin> JuJuBee: 0027 gets 640
[18:05] <raket> interesting. so each application is unique in that regard. genii?
[18:05] <JuJuBee> Thanks.  Will putting umask  0017 in /etc/environment set the perms for file in cli, gui, and remote (samba, scp, sftp)?
[18:05] <stdin> JuJuBee: but you'd need to chmod ~/public_html to u=rwx,g=rxs,o=s
[18:06] <JuJuBee> Ah, didn't think of just setting sticky on o
[18:06] <stdin> JuJuBee: /etc/environment should get sourced by the base shell, then set in every sub-shell
[18:06] <genii> raket: Most applications can be updated through the package manager fine. Thats what it's for.
[18:06] <JuJuBee> K, thanks.  I will try.
[18:06] <stdin> JuJuBee: it makes sure others permissions are 0
[18:06] <stdin> permissions == confusing, yes ;)
[18:07] <raket> genii, I only wanted to know how to update stuff that's beyond this release of Kubuntu (the latest). since I know that sometimes we have to wait until the next release
[18:07] <raket> (or am I mistaken?)
[18:08] <bpat1182> Approximately how far behind Ubuntu releases is kubunutu?
[18:08] <genii> bpat1182: It's not
[18:08] <bpat1182> i.e. what's the wait time between when Ubuntu releases 8.05 and Kubuntu will then have 8.05 released?
[18:08] <nosrednaekim> bpat1182: there is no ubuntu 8.05
[18:09] <bpat1182> not yet
[18:09] <nosrednaekim> and kubuntu releases in sync
[18:09] <nosrednaekim> there never will be... next is 8.10
[18:09] <genii> raket: The alternate way is to download the debian or ubuntu based source code and compile it into a package file with the assistance of the app checkinstall
[18:09] <bpat1182> oh.... interesting releaes cycle
[18:09] <nosrednaekim> every 6 months
[18:09] <mefisto__> bpat1182: 8.04 is 2008, 4 (as in april)
[18:09] <stdin> bpat1182: <year>.<month>
[18:09] <bpat1182> ah... thanks
[18:10] <raket> ahh I see. thanks genii, I'll learn about this as I go, I don't wanna go nuts in the beginning
[18:10] <genii> bpat1182: The 8.04.1 major update is due sometime in July (as I hear the rumours)
[18:10] <Halc0x> "
[18:10] <Halc0x> You appear to be running an X server; please exit X before
[18:10] <Halc0x>          installing.
[18:10] <Halc0x> ops
[18:10] <Halc0x> what does this means ?
[18:11] <bpat1182> I was just wondering about the delay between updates... as many times their security and stability related ;)
[18:11] <genii> Halc0x: It means you need to go to console login from login manager to install your nvidia driver
[18:11] <Halc0x> genii: thanks again dude :D
[18:11] <genii> Halc0x: np
[18:13] <raket> genii, maybe I can bookmark a tutorial or something though, just so I don't have to ask again... do you know one, or what keywords should I use to search "update source code checkinstall" ?
[18:14] <raket> I found this
[18:14] <raket> http://www.summersault.com/community/weblog/2005/04/23/checkinstall-a-safe-way-to-try-out-cutting-edge-linux-software.html
[18:15] <JuJuBee> Hmm, I set umask = 0017 in /etc/environment and created a folder in public_html it has perms rwxr-x-r-x
[18:15] <JuJuBee> mostly concerned about world perms
[18:15] <mefisto__> how does linux cope with a new motherboard? will it boot up, detect the new hardware, etc, or would I have to reinstall?
[18:16] <giacomo> !it
[18:18] <stdin> JuJuBee: did you chmod ~/public_html to u=rwx,g=rxs,o=s
[18:18] <djdarkman> how can I create a kubuntu remix easily? I mean I want to create a remix that includes restricted stuff
[18:18] <raket> if I partitioned my drive and moved my home directory onto the bigger partition, I still should see /home in "/" right ?
[18:18] <stdin> !remaster | djdarkman
[18:19] <JuJuBee> stdin : yes
[18:19] <stdin> JuJuBee: did you logout/in after changing the umask?
[18:20] <stdin> raket: yes
[18:20] <JuJuBee> Hmm, no.  My  bad.
[18:20] <stdin> JuJuBee: you can do it in the shell for now
[18:20] <stdin> JuJuBee: umask 0027; mkdir foo
[18:21] <JuJuBee> When I log out and in and just mkdir foo, it has 755, but when I do umask 0027 then mkdir foo, it is correct.
[18:22] <JuJuBee> Do I need tolog out of machine totally?
[18:22] <raket> stdin: thanks, I was just making sure everything is normal
[18:22] <stdin> JuJuBee: maybe move the umode line to /etc/profile instead
[18:23] <stdin> JuJuBee: in fact, just edit the on already in there ;)
[18:23] <acer4920> merhaba turk varmı
[18:23] <JuJuBee> Leave in environment ?
[18:23] <BluesKaj> !tk
[18:24] <stdin> JuJuBee: remove the one in environment and edit the one in profile
[18:24] <JuJuBee> K
[18:24] <stdin> !tr | acer4920
[18:24] <mefisto__> how does linux cope with a new motherboard? will it boot up, detect the new hardware, etc, or would I have to reinstall?
[18:25] <stdin> mefisto__: should "just work"
[18:25] <JuJuBee> stdin : same result.
[18:25] <JuJuBee> Let me try logout of computer then back in...
[18:25] <stdin> mefisto__: same way we can create a live CD without knowing anything about the hardware it'll run on
[18:26] <JuJuBee> Nope, same 744
[18:26] <JuJuBee> sorry 755
[18:27] <stdin> is that in the public_html dir?
[18:27] <acer4920> ubottu: saol
[18:28] <JuJuBee> stdin yes
[18:28] <mefisto__> stdin: so is there any way to speed up the boot process by telling the installation what hardware is present rather than detecting everything? or am I barking up the wrong tree?
[18:28] <stdin> JuJuBee: what does the output of "umode" give?
[18:29] <stdin> mefisto__: it detects it at boot anyway, so there's no need
[18:29] <stdin> it only take a second or two
[18:29] <stdin> if that
[18:31] <JuJuBee> stdin : umode : command not found
[18:32] <stdin> JuJuBee: erm, umask, sorry ;)
[18:32] <JuJuBee> hmm 0022
[18:32] <stdin> didn't get set then
[18:35] <JuJuBee> I see.
[18:35] <stdin> you sure you saved it and everything?
[18:36] <stdin> check it's not being changed in ~/.profile (if you have it)
[18:38] <JuJuBee> nope, commented out
[18:38] <aaroncampbell> Does anyone know where the actual .desktop files are for the items in my "quick launcher" ?  It seems that there is a bogus link in there that it can't seem to remove...I'm wondering if a file permission is wrong, but I don't know where the files are.
[18:42] <Dyyos> hi
[18:42] <acer4920> selam arkadaşlar
[18:42] <acer4920> hi
[18:42] <acer4920> hi turk
[18:42] <weswh-> this is getting bad. i was able to run the amd64 kde4 live cd and install fine...decided i wanted to go back to 3.5.9. so i got the standard amd64 iso...would do the kubuntu loading screen, and then go blank. done. i got the i386,same thing. have checked md5 and verified disc
[18:42] <Dyyos> sudo gparted
[18:42] <Dyyos> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'Glib::OptionError'
[18:42] <Dyyos> Aborted (core dumped)
[18:42] <Dyyos> wTF??!!
[18:48] <weswh-> hey guys, i figured out my problems with the install crashing. i had plugged in the DVI cable for my second monitor - that was tripping it out
[18:48] <dwidmann> dyyos: seeing as I love pointing out the obvious. I'll tell you. It crashed.
[18:48] <weswh-> :whew:
[18:50] <Dyyos> why?
[18:50] <dwidmann> Dyyos: Buggy code? Buggy libraries? Something like that
[18:50] <ubuntu_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10782/
[18:50] <ubuntu_> bitte um hilfe bei der installation vom vpn client meiner hochschule
[18:50] <dwidmann> Dyyos: if you google it you might find something, if not report the bug
[18:51] <Dyyos> dwidmann was working fine before
[18:51] <zeeon> anyone in here got some experince with proftpd and care to help me with getting it up and running I simply just can't get it to function and i think google are gonna report me for dos attacks soon
[18:51] <dwidmann> Dyyos: first of all, it's a bad idea to run GUI apps with sudo, use kdesu or gksu instead.
[18:52] <dwidmann> Dyyos: it can cause user files to get overwritten with ones owned by root which is never fun.
[18:54] <mefisto__> it would be nice if there was a universal sudo command that knew the difference between gui and cli apps, and behaved accordingly
[18:54] <ali__> Hibernation problem! on lenove n3000 anyone  had same problem
[18:55] <mefisto__> actually, is there anything wrong with using kdesudo with cli commands?
[18:56] <BluesKaj> mefisto__, no
[18:56] <BluesKaj> nothing wrong
[18:56] <BluesKaj> sudo still works ok in the terminal tho
[18:57] <Boingo> Hello everyone.  I am using 8.04 (KDE 3.x) recently upgraded from 7.x.  When I use my DVD/CD RW everything works great.  Until I launch K3B.  Then the drive is unusable (With the hardware button or any applications) until I reboot, then it all works again.
[18:57] <Boingo> Someone had a similar problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-546220.html
[18:57] <Boingo> But the fix was to go to gutsy,.
[18:57] <Boingo> I am already on Hardy.
[18:57] <Dyyos>   gksu gparted
[18:57] <Dyyos> (gksu:19403): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[18:58] <Dyyos> dwidmann: damn!! my bad!!
[18:58] <dwidmann> Dyyos: hmm?
[18:58]  * Dyyos re-logs with ssh -Y
[18:58] <Boingo> Any tips/hints anyone has would be greatly appreciated.
[18:59] <Boingo> I have uninstalled k3b and reinstalled it.
[19:00] <BluesKaj> Boingo, get the medibuntu repository added to your sources.list , then sudo apt-get install libk3b2-mp3 libdvdcss2 kubuntu-restricted-extras w32codecs
[19:00] <Boingo> BluesKaj: Oooh, ok, let me try that.
[19:00] <BluesKaj> !medibuntu
[19:01] <mefisto__> !libk3b2
[19:02] <mefisto__> libk3b2-extracodecs not libk3b2-mp3
[19:02] <dwidmann> mefisto__: using kdesu[do] for cli apps works, but you get a gui popup irregardless of what kind of app it is - if it were smart enough to know that it were a cli app and/or the command was being run from the cli, or had a seperate option (like --cli, or it coudl be done the other way around, default to cli and have a --gui option, or configurable either way) it could really do the trick.
[19:03] <kishore> now with qt 4.4 available in hardy repos, it is still recommended to build qt-copy?
[19:03] <_kaze_> hello averyone, someone use konversation ? because i got a problem : when i want to conenct to an irc server with SSL i got a modal window with detail of the ssl certificat and when i close it the widow open again and again ... i have to kill konversation to do somethink.
[19:03] <dwidmann> kishore: qt 4.4 should be usable I would think.
[19:04] <BluesKaj> libk3b2-extracodecs ? hmm don't think that exists
[19:04] <dwidmann> kishore: however in the future you're probably going to need or want qt-copy seeing as kde tends to follow/push qt's bleeding edge
[19:04] <kishore> dwidmann: there are several patches in qt-copy.. would that matter?
[19:04] <dwidmann> kishore: one way to find out ;)
[19:05] <Dyyos> dwidmann: got it
[19:05] <dwidmann> Dyyos: working?
[19:05] <kishore> dwidmann: :-)
[19:05] <ckaosa> hello
[19:05] <ckaosa> how do i connect to a vista share?
[19:05] <Dyyos> dwidmann: I left out the -Y in ssh
[19:05] <vyacheslav> Hi everybody ! I would like to know if there is any POSITIVE experience with satellite tv tuners (any model of PCI or USB). just I want to buy one which works under Ubuntu.
[19:06] <_kaze_> hello averyone, someone use konversation ? because i got a problem : when i want to conenct to an irc server with SSL i got a modal window with detail of the ssl certificat and when i close it the widow open again and again ... i have to kill konversation to do somethink.
[19:06] <mefisto__> BluesKaj: I can't find libk3b2-mp3. I assumed the name was changed
[19:06] <Dyyos> vyacheslav #mythtv
[19:06] <BluesKaj> mefisto__, it's in the medibuntu repos
[19:06] <dwidmann> Dyyos: yeap, that would do it,I was just curious if it still crashed after that ... didn't think it would
[19:06] <vyacheslav> Thanks
[19:06] <Boingo> BluesKaj: Ok, I installed those.
[19:07] <ckaosa> i cant mount a windows share
[19:07] <BluesKaj> vyacheslav, tvtime works as well, if you already have a tuner card
[19:08] <BluesKaj> vyacheslav, I used my tvwonder pro with a satellite receiver video input to the pc
[19:08] <ckaosa> get permission denied
[19:08] <ckaosa> anyone?
[19:08] <craig__> can anyone help me with a problem in xsession-errors file?
[19:09] <BluesKaj> ckaosa, do you have the vista shares on a different pc or on a partiton ?
[19:11] <craig__> my xsession-errors file grows large and fills my /home partition
[19:14] <Boingo> Does fstab get overwritten by anything in kubuntu?
[19:14] <Boingo> I mean on an automated basis.
[19:15] <Boingo> I keep editing the credentials files used by some mounts, but the credential files are overwritten the next time I open them (or at least revert to the incorrect settings)
[19:19] <dwidmann> Boingo: well, I don't think fstab itself is overwritten, which credential fils are you referring to?
[19:19] <Boingo> dwidmann: I have 3 shares to another Samba server.
[19:19] <ville_> why is that, when I play my movie on the screen, even if I put on "full screen" its only a little screen with thick black borders?
[19:19] <Boingo> There is one cred file per share.
[19:20] <Boingo> They mount to 3 points in my home folder.
[19:20] <Boingo> The cred files have "username = password"  but need to be "username=password"  (no spaces)
[19:21] <Boingo> If I edit the files to have no spaces, mount -a works.
[19:21] <dwidmann> Boingo: remove all write access from the credential files maybe?
[19:21] <Boingo> If I leave the spaces, it doesnt work.
[19:21] <mefisto__> ville_: in kaffeine?
[19:21] <dwidmann> Boingo: for spacs I think you need to use \040
[19:21] <dwidmann> Boingo:  for Samba anyhow
[19:21] <Boingo> I dont need the sapces.
[19:21] <Boingo> But I edit the files, save them, and mount.
[19:22] <vyacheslav> Thanks to all for comments on my question
[19:22] <Boingo> When I reboot, the cred files are changed back to containg space.
[19:22] <ville_> mefisto__:  in every player :/ using vlc atm
[19:22] <dwidmann> Boingo: I can see two workarounds for that
[19:23] <dwidmann> Boingo: the first being to try removing *all* write access from the cred files, including roots write permissions.
[19:24] <jimmy51vinsky> anyone here use vmware?
[19:24] <dwidmann> jimmy51vinsky: I haven't used it recently, but I've been known to use it if that counts.
[19:24] <weswh-> did restricted extras kind of make medibuntu obsolete, or is that still a good thing to have?
[19:24] <Boingo> dwidmann: But what is changing it?
[19:25] <jimmy51vinsky> ok. yesterday i got virtual box working in seamless mode, but was told vmware has features that are even better for host and vm app integration.
[19:25] <jimmy51vinsky> i want to be able to alt-tab between host and target apps with ALT-TAB, as if they're running under linux
[19:25] <dwidmann> Boingo: I don't know, but if it can't write to the file it'll have a hard time changing it ;)
[19:25] <jimmy51vinsky> do you know how to configure that in vmware?
[19:25] <Boingo> True.
[19:25] <mefisto__> ville_: look in vlc preferences > output modules. turn on "advanced options". what video output module is it using?
[19:26] <dwidmann> Boingo: I've no idea
[19:26] <weswh-> jimmy51athome: the workstation versions, have better features imo
[19:27] <dwidmann> weswh-: don't the workstation vesion cost $ though?
[19:27] <weswh-> virtualbox has potential i think, but not crazy about it right now
[19:27] <weswh-> yes
[19:27] <ville_> mefisto__:  "default"
[19:27] <joseph> i upgraded to hardy from gutsy and i don't like the new, buggy, firefox.  however when i try to install the old firefox, apt-get wants to install firefox-3.0 too.  what package do i need to install to just get back the stable firefox?
[19:27] <dwidmann> weswh-: speaking of that, just how expensive is it?
[19:27] <jimmy51vinsky> weswh-:  i've got vmware workstation 6.03 right now... with a xp vm running outlook
[19:27] <weswh-> vbox for free has more features than vmware server for free
[19:27] <ville_> mefisto__:  should I use "X11"?
[19:27] <aaroncampbell> Does anyone know where the actual .desktop files are for the items in my "quick launcher" ?  It seems that there is a bogus link in there that it can't seem to remove...I'm wondering if a file permission is wrong, but I don't know where the files are.
[19:27] <weswh-> but, is possibly less stable, imo
[19:27] <weswh-> dwidmann: around $200
[19:27] <jimmy51vinsky> so... any takers on how to configure seamless mode for vmware workstation?
[19:28] <joseph> !firefox
[19:28] <mefisto__> ville_: xvideo
[19:28] <joseph> i don't WANT the new version.  it's buggy!
[19:28] <weswh-> which OS is your host?
[19:28] <jimmy51vinsky> kubuntu 8.04 host
[19:29] <ville_> mefisto__: nope, still not working. only the black borders grow. the picture stays as little
[19:29] <aaroncampbell> joseph: you can install firefox-2 to get the most recent 2.x version
[19:29] <joseph> aaroncampbell: thank you.
[19:29] <aaroncampbell> np
[19:30] <ville_> mefisto__: with X11 it works properly in fullscreen, though it starts to lag like hell
[19:30] <dwidmann> weswh-: seeing as you seem to know a good bit about these things .... what do you know about xen?
[19:32] <weswh-> dwidmann: i've actually never used it. i have pretty basic needs, only know what i know from trying to get my stuff to work :)
[19:33] <dwidmann> weswh-: oh ... okay, I was just curious. I've been thinking about trying it to play around with things. vmware-server practically pampers me though, so I don't know a whole lot. :(
[19:34] <mefisto__> ville_: just guessing now, try xvideo, then go to the xvideo subsection and tick "alternate fullscreen method"
[19:34] <weswh-> right...that's the way it should be :)
[19:34] <weswh-> do you use kubuntu as your host os?
[19:34] <ville_> mefisto__: already tried that :/ no effect
[19:34] <weswh-> i am about to get into that myself...need to run an xp VM on kubuntu. vmware server is what I am going to go with
[19:34] <dwidmann> weswh-: yes sir :)
[19:35] <weswh-> don't really need "features"
[19:35] <weswh-> do you use an xp vm ever? if so, how does it work out for you?
[19:35] <dwidmann> weswh-: last time I tried it I had played around with the vm's hardware settings one too many times, and it invalidated the license :\
[19:36] <weswh-> heh
[19:36] <weswh-> hate that
[19:36] <dwidmann> weswh-: other than that it worked fine though ... video speed wasn't terribly impressive ... but without direct access to the gpu it ccouldn't be.
[19:37] <weswh-> sure
[19:37] <weswh-> what res were you running?
[19:37] <dwidmann> weswh-: I think I had it set to 1024x768
[19:37] <weswh-> one problem i've had out of vbox in i can not get an xp vm to run 1680x1050...which i need for it to do. heh
[19:38] <mefisto__> ville_: it might be related to your xorg.conf file. I used to have this problem until I found a howto to set up compiz with my video card, which resulted in a much better xorg.conf (basically everything was faster and smoother and looked better). since then fullscreen with xvideo (which I think is the default) always worked.
[19:38] <jimmy51vinsky> apologies for exiting... my machine rebooted.  did anyone reply to the vmware seamless mode question?
[19:39] <ville_> mefisto__: well I had alot of problem installing my video card anyways
[19:39] <ville_> mefisto__: what should I tweak in xorg.conf?
[19:40] <mefisto__> ville_: what kind of video card? ati?
[19:40] <ville_> mefisto__:  SiS Mirage 1, integrated shit
[19:40] <ville_> mefisto__:  It's brand new ITX-motherboard from intel
[19:41] <mefisto__> you could try googling "SiS Mirage 1 xorg.conf" and see what you can find, or search ubuntuforums.
[19:42] <ville_> mefisto__: I've been doing that for 3 days now, and I'm really getting up in my ass. So damn frustrated.
[19:43] <mefisto__> ville_: I know, I've been there. maybe search for a howto for compiz and your card? just ignore the compiz stuff and look at whatever it says about xorg.conf editing
[19:45] <ftzfzt> test
[19:46] <ville_> mefisto__: Well. With compiz you mean compiling the sourcecode?
[19:47] <mefisto__> ville_: sourcecode for what? you mean a driver for your card?
[19:48] <ville_> mefisto__: Well I have the drivers (patched ones) and it works just fine. I dunno what to change in the xorg.conf anymore. I really don't know anything and I'm really tired :E there are alot of mentions about updating BIOS, but I have no clue how to do that in linux
[19:48] <visiware> hi, Does Skype works on kubuntu?
[19:49] <dwidmann> visiware: well, it has in the past. It probably still does.
[19:50] <weswh-> can anyone link me to the reference for installing nvidia drivers in 8.04? (kde 3.5.9)
[19:50] <visiware> I have some bugs.... If I run the updates it crash, if I install Skype I see dust on the screen and I have to reformat the disk
[19:51] <visiware> thanks dwid...
[19:51] <mefisto__> ville_: the only reason I mentioned compiz is that for me, setting it up according to a howto for my video card gave me a well-configured xorg.conf that made video generally much better than it was
[19:52] <ville_> mefisto__:  I have no clue where to search for a such thing :E
[19:58] <mefisto__> ville_: there's a long thread here: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-463077.html but make sure you keep backups of any files you replace or edit, in case you make things worse
[20:00] <igor__> hi all
[20:02] <ville_> mefisto__: problem is, its for the old version. this is brand new :) only like three weeks old
[20:02] <ville_> mefisto__: mine is "D201GLY2" not "D201GLY" :---)
[20:03] <visiware> where do I find libasound2 1.0.12?
[20:04] <mefisto__> ville_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4697207&postcount=4       D201GLY2 !!!
[20:04] <dwidmann> visiware: dunno, that looks like an old version
[20:04] <craig__> I am seeking help with errors being logged to xsession-errors, anybody?
[20:04] <dwidmann> visiware: .15 is current
[20:05] <visiware> Dwid, thanks. Is in the O.S.?
[20:06] <ville_> mefisto__: that's exactly what I'm using :--) those patched drivers work like a horse, but the video is the only problem. Damn fullscreen :/
[20:06] <dwidmann> visiware: 1.0.15 is included with hardy ... not sure about other releases.
[20:06] <visiware> It's the first time I install al Linus O.S. I'm a developer in .NET and I'd li to develop also on linux O.S.
[20:07] <craig__> MPEGRec(/dev/video0) Error: error reading from: /dev/video0 eno: Device or resource busy (16)
[20:08] <visiware> ok.  Dwid, I'll buy a book... eeheh.  I like Kubuntu a lot at this moment
[20:08] <mefisto__> ville_: did you try any other video output modules in vlc? OpenGL maybe?
[20:09] <ville_> mefisto__: X11 gave fullscreen, flickering and lagging, X gave good quality and smooth, but little. All of the others were just black or only sound.
[20:10] <asjr> hi
[20:10] <_myrtille_> hi
[20:10] <_myrtille_> :)
[20:10] <asjr> =)
[20:11] <shadowhywind> hay all since i installed the beta of hardy during boot i no longer get the splash screen just a full text boot, any ideas on how to get the splash back?
[20:16] <Mefisto_de> does anyone know a program to make keymaps
[20:16] <Mefisto_de> ??
[20:16] <mefisto__> ville_: in kaffeine settings > xine engine parameters > video there is a longer list of drivers to choose from. also, in the expert options tab, make sure "disable all video scaling" is not ticked
[20:18] <mefisto__> Mefisto_de: "xkeycaps - manipulate X11 keymaps (for xmodmap) graphically"     --  I've never used it though
[20:20] <mistiipu> iam on a server that shares internet to 2 computers. i want to limit their bandwidth to 20k/s jointly pc1+pc2=20k/s and give them priority to my persoanal internet use on server.  secondly i dont want any of the two pcs suck all the bandwidth (by excesive downloading at a time or by torrents) and drain the others pcs band. (out of 20k/s). "i dont want any 3rd distro or another router. i use linux and want it to route".
[20:20] <mistiipu> i think i need the tc command? where to read about it. and what else i need? thirdly i want to moniter each pc what he is doing. sniff internet. keep detailed records. (if he does any illegal activity eg.) see gui graphic speed graphs. etc. any app or guidance please?
[20:22] <mefisto__> mistiipu: man tc
[20:23] <mistiipu> mefisto__ ok. is that all i need?
[20:23] <mistiipu> mefisto__ and someone said i need qos?
[20:26] <mefisto__> mistiipu: I don't know, but almost all installed commands have a manual at "man <command>"
[20:27] <mistiipu> ok
[20:27] <mistiipu> thx
[20:28] <reagleBRKLN> anyone have swfdec 0.6 and konq working together on hardy? tiref of flash-nonfree instability
[20:28] <Dyyos> m$$ $uckz
[20:32] <kyncani_> reagleBRKLN: there is a gnash plugin for lonqueror
[20:32] <kyncani_> (konqueror-plugin-gnash)
[20:33] <reagleBRKLN> kyncani_: yes, trying that now but i hear swdec is better
[20:33] <kyncani_> I have not tried swdec in a while, I'm settled with gnash now / for now
[20:35] <reagleBRKLN> on gnash: yea, no sound and can't use controls
[20:37] <Faust-C> im trying to install vmware-server
[20:37] <Faust-C> i know that a older version was in a repo but im not finding it in kubuntu
[20:39] <timboy> having issues with sound in kubuntu 8.04... i have everything turned up but i still can't hear anything... :(
[20:40] <Faust-C> is vmware-server in repos somewhere
[20:40]  * Faust-C knows someone knows
[20:41] <timboy> timboy: knows nothing
[20:41] <Faust-C> i cant recall how i installed in ubuntu, i enabled a repo and it worked
[20:42]  * Faust-C also wonders how to get ipod nano working in linux
[20:42] <timboy> Faust-C: go with virtualbox... much better and 3x faster at least
[20:42] <Faust-C> timboy: problem is that its a pita to do non natted network
[20:43] <Faust-C> i mean i like it its just my vms are in vmware format
[20:43]  * Faust-C wonder if i could convert them
[20:43] <Faust-C> if i can convert them ill try it out again
[20:43] <timboy> Faust-C: no need to convert it opens vmdk images
[20:44] <timboy> natively
[20:44] <aaroncampbell> Does anyone know where the actual .desktop files are for the items in my "quick launcher" ?  It seems that there is a bogus link in there that it can't seem to remove...I'm wondering if a file permission is wrong, but I don't know where the files are.
[20:44] <timboy> can anyone help me troubleshoot my sound?
[20:44] <Faust-C> timboy: ah ic sweet deal
[20:44] <xxx> hi
[20:45] <Faust-C> timboy: whats wrong w/ snd
[20:45] <timboy> Faust-C: give it a shot i switched about 4 months ago and wouldn't go back
[20:45] <timboy> Faust-C: not working at all no playback on my kedubuntu box
[20:45] <timboy> using hardy
[20:45] <mefisto__> timboy: do you have more than one soundcard?
[20:45] <timboy> mefisto_no
[20:46] <Faust-C> timboy: what does alsamixer show
[20:49] <dom> je recherche de l aide install tor unbutu
[20:49] <timboy> Faust-C: alsamixer won't open. not sure if it's due to pulseaudio... when i run alsamixer i get: ** PULSEAUDIO: Unable to connect: Connection refused / alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: Connection refused
[20:50] <Faust-C> can you do it as sudo
[20:50] <mistiipu>  how can i run munin?
[20:52] <timboy> Faust-C: no
[20:53] <Faust-C> hmm
[20:54] <superhgg_> guys,, how do i download torrents in kubuntu,, where do i get the torrent client
[20:54] <mefisto__> timboy: in system settings > sound system > hardware tab, is Advanced Linux Sound Architecture selected?
[20:55] <mefisto__> superhgg_: ktorrent should already be installed
[20:55] <Faust-C> superhgg_: dude look in the menu
[20:55] <weswh-> does anyonw know where there is an archive of the kubuntu guide for Gusty?
[20:55] <weswh-> all i can find is Hardy - and the section on nvidia drivers is empty
[20:55] <timboy> mefisto_ it was on autodetect. I made it alsa and alsamixer still doesn't work same error
[20:56] <weswh-> oh i got it
[20:58] <timboy> mefisto_ i guess it is still trying to restart sound system... should i restart?
[20:58] <timboy> mefisto__: or can i run an init.d command?
[20:58] <mefisto__> timboy: and it restarted the sound system when you changed it?
[20:58] <weswh-> ok the gutsy guide doesn't have anything there either. supposedly this is easy now...anyone know a reference for how to install nvidia binary drivers in hardy/gutsy? if i go under system>hardware devices...it says no proprietary drivers used. i have restricted modules installed
[20:59] <timboy> mefisto__: I stopped it and started it again and now alsa is set. alsamixer still doesn't start and sound still doesn't work...
[21:00] <timboy> mefisto__: i spoke too soon! it works!!!! thanks a bunch!!!!!! mwuhahahhahah
[21:02] <simi> hi how can i configure compiz in kubuntu?(i am a ubuntu user for 2 years and i want to try kubuntu) i installed the packages
[21:03] <timboy> simi: just run compiz --replace should work
[21:03] <weswh-> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia <= trying to follow this, I simply don't have "restricted drivers" under that area. also, if I search for nvidia through add/remove programs, I don't see the driver there.
[21:04] <weswh-> is this incomplete documentation? I am on an out of the box i386 kde 3.5.9 hardy
[21:05] <simi> i want to configure compiz effects , in ubuntu appears a menu named advanced desktop effects
[21:05] <xxx> hello all just new here
[21:05] <mefisto__> weswh-: on hardy, it's called Hardware Drivers, found in Kmenu > System
[21:05] <timboy> weswh-: go to system settings then monitor and display then hardware it will show you in there
[21:07] <foka> Hi!  I'm wondering: Has anybody experienced problem with "displayconfig"  (Monitors and Display in System Settings), e.g. cannot switch to certain resolutions?
[21:07] <zeeon> is it possible to add multiple user to the same home dir?
[21:07] <sigma_1234> whats the easiest way to install openoffice 3.0 beta?
[21:07] <weswh-> mefisto__: jockey - gotcha. so it says no proprietary drivers in use...do you know what I need to install, to get it to show up there?
[21:08] <mefisto__> weswh-: there's nothing in the list?
[21:08] <foka> Say: 1024x768, 800x600 and 640x480 work, but not 720x400, 832x624, 1280x960, 1280x1024 and 1600x1200?
[21:09] <xxx> does any know if there exsist any free material with practices and info about ubuntu and if so where to find it ?
[21:09] <weswh-> mefisto__: nope (fresh install...) i installed restricted extras, and restricted modules says it is up to date as well
[21:09] <jabba_> one of my users just asked me if i can triple-boot vista, xp, and hardy for him. is there a faq? my understanding is vista is not happy about multiboot.
[21:09] <weswh-> i've never run anything to specifically install the nvidia drivers....that's what i am trying to find, really
[21:09] <weswh-> even if i had to change xorg.conf myself. heh
[21:10] <jabba_> weswh-: have you used envy?
[21:10] <weswh-> nope...was just wondering if that should be my next step? i just haven't found a point of authority on what the right process is
[21:10] <jabba_> i used envy with my quadro
[21:11] <jabba_> problem is i have a dual-out card and xinerama and composite don't play nice.
[21:11] <jabba_> unfortunately, i have two 22's, not a single 3200x1100 display :/
[21:11] <jabba_> envy works well though, and with amd64, the nvidia product doesnt quite work.
[21:12] <weswh-> gotcha..well, i reverted to i386 for that reason among a few others
[21:13] <weswh-> is envy the best way to do it? not the good old days of install glx or something
[21:15] <anothernickthen> does any know if there is like an ubuntu guide for dummys ?
[21:15] <jabba_> weswh-: i have not had any luck with the nvidia installer
[21:15] <jabba_> but i think that's related to my using amd64
[21:15] <wayneandleanne> hi all, does anybody know what type of usb audio headsets are supported?
[21:15] <jabba_> the 'arch' directory is a little fubar on my end.
[21:15] <jabba_> envy Did The Right Thing.
[21:16] <jabba_> there's no /harm/ in trying the nvidia thing if you're not a license fascist
[21:16] <jabba_> but i suspect envy will work for you.
[21:16] <jussi01> !training | anothernickthen
[21:16] <anothernickthen> thx obottu
[21:16] <jussi01> wayneandleanne: most of them - I have a logitech thats nice
[21:16] <jussi01> !bot | anothernickthen
[21:17] <weswh-> license...i thought envy just installed the nvidia binary driver?
[21:17] <wayneandleanne> jussi01: any setup probslems?
[21:17] <jabba_> weswh-: like i said, fascism.
[21:18] <anothernickthen> hmm the first bot i like lol, mucht better then those bots on chats
[21:18] <jussi01> wayneandleanne: hrm, it did take a few tweaks, cant really remember them. :/
[21:18] <wayneandleanne> fair enough, thanks
[21:18] <weswh-> jabba_: do you know if there is a referencce for how to install it the nvidia way that you are referring to?
[21:19] <weswh-> btw, is your nick related to jabbawockeez? if so..good call, heh
[21:19] <crash__> How does one determine the release version of Kubuntu that one is running?
[21:20] <jabba_> weswh-: /whois jabba_
[21:20] <jabba_> weswh-: as far as how to install, it's easy. go to nvidia's site, put your card type in the search field with "linux," download the installer doohickey, and run it.
[21:21] <ere4si> crash__: uname -a     in a konsole
[21:21] <jussi01> !version | crash__
[21:21] <bpat1434> In ubuntu the b43 driver is available if I look at installed hardware, yet it's missing in Kubuntu.... is there a solution to this that I don't know about?
[21:21] <jabba_> if it has a ready driver, it will install it. if not, itwill try to compile it.
[21:21] <jabba_> there isn't a lot of user interaction. after that, you can configure stuff with "nvidia-xconfig"
[21:21] <jabba_> (which has a manpage)
[21:21] <weswh-> hrmm...ok. ijust thought there was a way to get to that through apt
[21:21] <crash__> hm
[21:21] <crash__> 8.04
[21:21] <crash__> which means I dont need all these 7.1 sources in my sources.list, right?
[21:22] <weswh-> but i am reading about envy...looks promising
[21:22] <mefisto__> weswh-: there is nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-new, and nvidia-glx-legacy, but I don't know if you should install any of those. do "apt-cache search nvidia"
[21:24] <Halc0x> dudes how to complie source with many .c , .h files and one file named "Makefile"?
[21:24] <weswh-> ah...apt-get install envyng-qt :)
[21:24] <jabba_> Halc0x: make(1)
[21:24] <jabba_> Halc0x: probably sh configure && make
[21:25] <Halc0x> jabba_: ok i will try
[21:26] <crash__> righto then. Adept just went nuts doing something or other.\
[21:28] <jabba_> weswh-: let me know how that works. that's what i did.
[21:28] <crash__> fetching new headers shouldn't take more than a few seconds, right?
[21:29] <weswh-> crash__: at times it can take a while
[21:29] <weswh-> esp. when the servers are under higher load
[21:29] <crash__> grr
[21:30]  * crash__ stabs the server
[21:30] <weswh-> mmhmm
[21:31]  * jabba_ hands crash__ some tool to listen to
[21:33] <dwidmann> crash__: my header fetching has been *exceedingly* slow also.
[21:34] <mefisto__> crash__: are you still waiting?
[21:35] <jabba_> tof_: are you somebody who would remember the hostname spinup.yi.org?
[21:36] <mistiipu>  i hope i can do user1+user2=20k/s  in proxy server . squid?
[21:36] <jussi01> mistiipu: best to ask in just 1 place at a time ;)
[21:37] <mistiipu> jussi01 hm
[21:37] <crweb> anyone else experiencing huge delays and very slow speeds on official ubuntu servers?
[21:37] <jussi01> crash__: yes, a lot of people
[21:37] <jussi01> !slow
[21:38] <crweb> well, i figured as much.. but a few bytes per sec was a little less than I was expecting
[21:39] <mefisto__> adept > manage repositories has a "select best server" button that will ping them all and choose the fastest one
[21:39] <crweb> for me it just chooses archive.ubuntu.com
[21:39] <dwidmann> I can understand slow, but 400 and 506 errors are just annoying :(
[21:40] <mefisto__> crweb: move to another country :)
[21:40] <crash_hates_time> I may have accidentaly told adept to upgrade  KDE to 4
[21:41] <stdin> huh? you mean you told it to install KDE 4?
[21:41] <dwidmann> crash_hates_time: its a seperate set of packages for kde4, so upgrading to it is an impossibility. Installing side by side can be done.
[21:41] <crweb> crash_hates_time: kde3 and kde4 can be installed at same time.
[21:41] <stdin> you can't upgrade from KDE 3 to KDE 4
[21:41] <crash_hates_time> *shrug*I clicked Upgrade Everything.
[21:41] <jabba_> crash_hates_time: there are distinct kde4 and kde3 packages
[21:41] <jabba_> i've actually got gnome, kde3 and kde4 installed.
[21:42] <khaije1> !screenlets
[21:42] <crash_hates_time> Lemme clarify..  i wasn't complaingin or asking for help there. Just bored whilst the downloads progress.
[21:43]  * jussi01 points at #kubuntu-offtopic :)
[21:44] <zeeon> ok i have been struggeling to get an ftpd server running all day i've been reading guides and what not for hours...and i just can't get it working would anyone help me get this right ?
[21:44] <dwidmann> I wonder if there are any ubuntu mirrors that aren't under full load right now ...... archive and us.archive are definitely loaded way beyond capacity
[21:44] <jussi01> zeeon: is there a reason that you want ftp? sftp is enabled by default iirc
[21:45] <dwidmann> jussi01: probably have to install openssh-server first
[21:46] <jussi01> dwidmann: heh, I keep forgetting, usually first thing I install
[21:46] <jussi01> zeeon: sudo apt-get install ssh
[21:46] <dwidmann> jussi01: me too really
[21:46] <crash_hates_time> I understand the general conventions for version numbers. But can anyone tell me why many of these packages have a verision of 4:3.x.x
[21:47] <zeeon> aah ok will try
[21:47] <jussi01> zeeon: then you can sftp into the machine
[21:47] <mefisto__> I'm using ftp.netspace.net.au and it's as fast as ever
[21:47] <zeeon> ok
[21:47] <crweb> crash_hates_time: maybe because some of the development versions of apps for version 4 of kde were releases as 3.5.xx
[21:48] <dwidmann> zeeon: and seeing as sftp works with zero configuration ... you'll be good to go in the event you can manage to get the mirrors to let you download the package :)
[21:48] <crweb> crash_hates_time: i'm not sure though
[21:49] <dwidmann> Hmm, seems the uk mirror is doing a little better right now.
[21:49] <dwidmann> ack, but it's not in sync with the others yet :(
[21:51] <stdin> crweb: the 4: part has nothing to do with kde4
[21:51] <Boingo> Ok, I added mediabuntu and updated, and still my k3b disables my cd/drd/rw drive.
[21:51] <jussi01> if its at all possible, you may want to leave the mirrors alone for a while - then there is less load and the people cureently using them will get their stuff faster, and they will be back up sooner.
[21:51] <dwidmann> crweb: kdelibs4 = kde3, kdelibs5 = kde4
[21:51] <crweb> dwidmann: ok?
[21:51] <Mimi> Is there a way to make gnome apps and other stuff like firefox not look like Poo under KDE?
[21:52] <crweb> dwidmann: the question was why some apps are  4:3.5.xx
[21:52] <stdin> crash_hates_time, crweb: it's called an epoch, it happens when a newer version is uploaded during development but needs to be reverted to an older one, the (any number): makes the lower version appear newer to dpkg
[21:52] <crweb> stdin: ah i see
[21:52] <mistiipu>  a client on proxy can do anything like he is on his own dsl connection? until the server restricts something?
[21:52] <stdin> the not-so-good thing is that, once it's added, it can never be removed
[21:52] <jefbr> nick name jeferson
[21:53] <jefbr> nick name now jeferson
[21:53] <jefbr> nickname now jeferson
[21:53] <stdin> jefbr: trying to change nicks?
[21:53] <Mimi>  /nick jefferson
[21:53] <jussi01> jefbr: /nick newnickname
[21:53] <Mimi> oops i cant spell :)
[21:53] <jussi01> :)
[21:53] <stdin> there you go :)
[21:53] <jeferson> obrigado
[21:53] <Mimi> yay a portuguese person :D
[21:54]  * Mimi offers bresh baked feijoada
[21:54] <Mimi> O.o
[21:54] <dwidmann> Mimi: I acn't spele wlel eihter.
[21:54] <Mimi> lol
[21:54] <crash_hates_time> stdin: what is "it" and why can it never be removed?
[21:54] <Mimi> Aaaah how I missed the kubuntu crowd :)
[21:54] <jeferson> sim
[21:55] <stdin> crash_hates_time: <stdin>  it's called an epoch, it happens when a newer version is uploaded during development but needs to be reverted to an older one, the (any number): makes the lower version appear newer to dpkg
[21:55] <stdin> it can never be removed because then the version number of the new package would seem lower than the old package to dpkg
[21:56] <crash_hates_time> heh
[21:56] <eugen_> ArTo:
[21:56] <crash_hates_time> I begin to miss the simplicity of a setup.exe
[21:56] <eugen_> ce zici ma?
[21:57] <stdin> !it | eugen_
[21:57] <stdin> crash_hates_time: you don't need to understand the meaning of the version numbers, just as long as dpkg does ;)
[21:58] <crash_hates_time> stdin: lol that reminds me of the Apple philosophy. "Dont worry about the how and why. Just click."
[21:58] <mefisto__> Mimi: have you seen this page: http://konquefox.free.fr/
[21:59] <stdin> crash_hates_time: well I told you why, and all packagers need to know about it, but the general use doesn't "need" to know, unless they want to
[22:00] <_sourcemaker> which encryption method is more secure for instant messaging.. otr or pgp?
[22:00] <crash_hates_time> stdin: dont get me wrong. Im not bashing your input nor disregarding your answers. They are indeed helpful. Im just.. bah, Im bored and want someone to talk to :P
[22:01] <stdin> crash_hates_time: I didn't take it as an insult at all :)
[22:02] <KennethP> Thanks to all you guys for a slim and perfect upgrade to Hardy. How do I test KDE4? Can't find the info on kubuntu.org
[22:03] <Boohbah> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[22:03] <dwidmann> Hmm, I wonder if the easynews mirror is up-to-date
[22:04] <Mimi> mefisto__:  i havent, thanks, looks interesting; i was asking in general.. mmm looks though
[22:04] <crash_hates_time> dont you just download kde4 from the website
[22:04] <KennethP> Boohbah: Thanks, but thought that it was included in Hardy?
[22:04] <Boohbah> there are a number of ways to install kde4
[22:05] <NickPresta> crash_hates_time, you use your package manager as much as you can. Very rarely does the average user need to compile something when the package is in the repo.
[22:05] <dwidmann> crash_hates_time: what? and build kde4 from source? Only if you've got time and patience ...
[22:05] <Boohbah> KennethP: if you get the kde4 cd then it is
[22:05] <Boingo> Does anyone have any other ideas as to why k3b is killing my burner?
[22:05] <KennethP> Boohbah: Ahhh - I just upgraded via Adept. I'll try installing via the packet manager then. Thanks.
[22:06] <crash_hates_time> NickPresta, dwidmann: I have time. I have patience. I have an insatiable urge to break things until I understand how they work.
[22:06] <mefisto__> Mimi: do you have gtk-qt-engine installed? I think it's installed by default, but if not, installing that will help
[22:06] <dwidmann> crash_hates_time: then LFS is for you!
[22:06] <Boohbah> kubuntu-kde4-8.04-desktop-i386.iso or 	kubuntu-kde4-8.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[22:07] <dwidmann> Boohbah: what processor do you have?
[22:07] <crash_hates_time> hm
[22:07] <crash_hates_time> !lfs
[22:07] <Mimi> mefisto__:  now thanks to you i do :D thanks!
[22:08] <Boohbah> Sysinfo for 'booh-desktop': Linux 2.6.24-16-rt running KDE 3.5.9, CPU: AMDAthlonXP2600+ at 2088 MHz (4177 bogomips), , RAM: 1477/1509MB, 148 proc's, 1.17d up
[22:09] <Boohbah> dwidmann: why do you ask?
[22:09] <dwidmann> [17:06] <Boohbah> kubuntu-kde4-8.04-desktop-i386.iso or kubuntu-kde4-8.04-desktop-amd64.iso ---- lookslike a question
[22:09] <Boohbah> no
[22:10] <Boohbah> that was for KennethP
[22:10] <crash_hates_time> dwidmann: No thanks to LFS. I'm a nerd, not a masocist.
[22:11] <dwidmann> crash_hates_time: I was just kidding
[22:15] <melkart> do i understand correctly that all packages in universe main multiverse and restricted should fit together, say, that there should be no package which depends on other packages which are not downloadable (because they are not in the repositories)?
[22:17] <mefisto__> melkart: sounds right to me
[22:18] <dwidmann> Wow, the Argonne national labs mirror seems to be up to date and fast :)
[22:18] <melkart> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/libghc6-cabal-dev <-- this package depends on ghc6 (<< 6.6.1)
[22:19] <melkart> but ghc6 (<< 6.6.1) is not in hardy's respository (was upgraded to a newer version)
[22:19] <dwidmann> according to the launchpad page they've got a 10Gbps link and they're up to date instead of lagging a week behind like all the other non-official mirrors ...
[22:19]  * jabba_ grabs a +4/+4 vorpal sword of middle-management-beheading and sets out to fix problems
[22:20] <melkart> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/libghc6-hgl-dev <--- and this package caused some kind of inconsistency that i was unable to fix, neither by uninstalling nor by trying "apt-get -f install" repeatedly
[22:20]  * dwidmann offers jabba a shovel and a black trash bag
[22:22] <crash_hates_time> I know lspci gives me a hardware listing, but how I do determine what drivers are being used to control hardware deviceshttp://www.google.com/firefox?client=firefox-a&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official?
[22:22] <dwidmann> crash_hates_time: you can get a list of loaded modules with lsmod
[22:23] <crash_hates_time> graci
[22:23] <dwidmann> crash_hates_time: might also be able to get some info from kinfocenter and/or kde-hal-device-manager
[22:24] <crash_hates_time> hm
[22:25] <crash_hates_time> does Kubuntu auto-detect new hardware on boot? Will it try to autoload drivers for it?
[22:25] <coreymon77> crash_hates_time: what do you mean?
[22:25] <mefisto__> crash_hates_time: yes it does (I was asking that earlier)
[22:26] <acemo> does kubuntu 8.04 uses inetd by default?
[22:26] <coreymon77> crash_hates_time: heres how it is
[22:27]  * melkart finds that both his bugs are already reported
[22:27] <crash_hates_time> coreymon77: I think that 8.04 has inbuilt support for my wireless device, so I killed the NDIS drivers. Now I just need to figure out how to (re?)install the original
[22:27] <dwidmann> crash_hates_time: for the most part it can handle whatever you throw at it, exception being the video card.
[22:27] <coreymon77> crash_hates_time: if new hardware is connected to your computer, kubuntu should see it on boot, and install anything that is needed
[22:27] <dwidmann> crash_hates_time: and to some extent monitors
[22:27] <coreymon77> crash_hates_time: the two exceptions to that rule are typically vid cards and wifi cards
[22:28] <coreymon77> crash_hates_time: as for the wifi card, i can help you with that
[22:28] <coreymon77> crash_hates_time: what card are we talking
[22:29] <]GaRu[> have a good night people!!!
[22:29] <crash_hates_time> coreymon77: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10817/
[22:30] <coreymon77> oooh, hehehe, this is a fun card **rolls eyes sarcastically***
[22:31] <crash_hates_time> coreymon77: so I hear.
[22:31] <coreymon77> crash_hates_time: sorry, free driver is borked, you gotta use ndis
[22:31] <coreymon77> unfortunately
[22:31] <crash_hates_time> knew it was broken in 7, was hoping 8 had fixed it
[22:32] <ubuntu_> hak
[22:32] <coreymon77> ubuntu_: hey there
[22:33] <coreymon77> crash_hates_time: sorry, i hate telling people they have to use ndis as much as you hate hearing it
[22:33] <coreymon77> crash_hates_time: but sadly, you have a crap wifi card :P
[22:33] <_sourcemaker> is there a release date for the next stable kde 4.1 release?
[22:33] <crash_hates_time> eh, it was free. Cant complain.
[22:34] <coreymon77> _sourcemaker: there hasnt been a stable 4.1 release
[22:34] <acemo> _sourcemaker: http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Schedules/KDE4/4.1_Release_Schedule see here for a release schedule for kde 4.1
[22:34] <dwidmann> _sourcemaker: the stable 4.1 release will *probably* be in late july
[22:35] <_sourcemaker> dwidmann: ok thanks
[22:35] <_sourcemaker> dwidmann: will this release be really stable or a "fake stable" release like 4.0 :-) ?
[22:36] <dwidmann> _sourcemaker: 4.1 is the one that was actually intended for users as far as I've heared
[22:36] <dwidmann> *heard
[22:36] <_sourcemaker> dwidmann: great
[22:36] <acemo> _sourcemaker: kde 4.0 was never ment for the end users, it was only a release for developers to get bussy, 4.1 is supposed to be for the end users.
[22:37] <Gibby69> hi all, how do i alter my log on screen size and position
[22:38] <techbw> hey! all.
[22:38] <techbw> anyone know of any good free front end for freeradius, anything similar to radiusmanager, but free
[22:38] <acemo> hey techbw
[22:38] <techbw> hey!
[22:39] <coreymon77> techbw: and what exactly is freeradius exactly?
[22:40] <techbw> freeradius is a radius server, used to authenticate clients when connecting to a hotspot or xdsl type pppoe connection
[22:41] <techbw> small - large Wireless internet service providers are known to use free radius in conjunction with radius manager.
[22:42] <techbw> So basicall I want to use a similar system for myself and friends, and I can monitor the network, so that I know who is using all the bandwidth, and limit the users that over use the system
[22:42] <coreymon77> ah, in other words, proprietary software used to connect to peoples networks
[22:42] <techbw> no freeradius is free, there is a free front end, but don't like it, and don't really understand it...radiusmanager is much better, but not free
[22:43] <wesley> !kubuntu-restricted-extras
[22:43] <techbw> not to connecto to peoples networks, it is used to make sure that only people authorised to connect to network can actually connect
[22:43] <jose> hla
[22:43] <jose> hola
[22:43] <wesley> how can i remove all kubuntu-restricted-extras ?
[22:43] <techbw> like your router dials into your service provider, they authenticate your connection with a radius server
[22:44] <jose> existe alguna aplicacion como genome-art para kubuntu
[22:44] <acemo> !se jose
[22:45] <acemo> !se | jose
[22:45] <acemo> !es | jose
[22:48] <Simonft> ﻿im on kubuntu and trying to install raptormenu, and I installed qtmake, but when I do cmake ../ it says CMake Error: Qt qmake not found!
[22:51] <dwidmann> Simonft: must be some exported variable or something you can set to force it to look where it actually ist
[22:51] <Simonft> dwidmann: im not sure how to do that.
[22:52] <dwidmann> Simonft: it would be something like export SOMEVAR=something ..... maybe something like export MAKE=/usr/bin/qmake  would work
[22:52] <crash_hates_time> does lspci query USB devices?
[22:52] <dwidmann> hard to say
[22:52] <dwidmann> crash_hates_time: try lsusb
[22:52] <eddieftw> crash_hates_time: no
[22:52] <eddieftw> lsusb is the right one
[22:53] <holyguyver> & once again I turn to Kubuntu whenever xubuntu & ubuntu  fail to notice my question
[22:53] <holyguyver> When I try to use Synaptic I get this message Failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic as user root.Unable to copy the user's Xauthorization file.
[22:54] <dwidmann> holyguyver: try running "sudo chown -R $USER:$USER $HOME"
[22:55] <holyguyver> Thanks
[22:55] <crash_hates_time> hm
[22:55] <dwidmann> holyguyver: then run "gksu /usr/sbin/synaptic"
[22:56] <crash_hates_time> lsusb was less than illuminating
[22:56] <dwidmann> crash_hates_time: what were you looking for it to show you?
[22:56] <crash_hates_time> found a USB wireless card I want to play with
[22:56] <crash_hates_time> No idea about the chipset or other info on it tho
[22:56] <dwidmann> crash_hates_time: some other useful things are lshw (shows all sorts of things), kde-hal-device-manager, and kinfocenter
[22:56] <crash_hates_time> I was hoping LSPCI could help me out in that regard
[22:57] <coreymon77> crash_hates_time: if we dont know the chipset or anything about the card, i cant help you
[22:58] <crash_hates_time> coreymon77: I was hoping lspci would tell me. lshw looks like it might show me something tho
[22:58] <crash_hates_time> I shall report back in a few moment
[22:58] <dwidmann> crash_hates_time: if it's usb, try unplugging it, replugging it, and looking at the output of dmesg | tail
[22:58] <Simonft> how do I find my install path for qt?
[22:59] <holyguyver> dwidmann: I think it is that I don't have enough space on my harddrive for synaptic to activate because in activation it uses up a few bytes that I do not havew left on my harddrive
[22:59] <coteyr> need some app advise I am looking for a colabritive app that will let me both host and join meeting between windows/linux/mac
[22:59] <coteyr> any suggestions
[22:59] <eddieftw> coteyr: try ....
[22:59] <eddieftw> one sec
[22:59] <coteyr> clients my be on anyside of multipul firewalls
[22:59] <holyguyver> dwidmann : I say this because when I tried what you said, it said that I did not have enough space on my harddrive
[23:00] <dwidmann> holyguyver: try running sudo apt-get autoclean
[23:00] <eddieftw> ah dwidmann you beat me to the command
[23:00] <dwidmann> holyguyver: that will free up a significant amount of space if you have a lot of packages cached
[23:01] <holyguyver> Thank you :)
[23:02] <dwidmann> eddieftw: :)
[23:02] <crash_hates_time> dwidmann, coreymon77: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10823/
[23:02] <crash_hates_time> does that tell you anything useful?
[23:03] <eddieftw> coteyr: try gooby
[23:03] <dwidmann> crash_hates_time: tells me that it's seeing the USB device, and not really doing anything with it.
[23:03] <ktulu77> bonsoir
[23:03] <coteyr> eddieftw\; ok looking at gooby
[23:03] <coreymon77> crash_hates_time: not a thing
[23:03] <coreymon77> crash_hates_time: lspci says nothing?
[23:04] <holyguyver> dwidmann after doing that it still says that I have 0mbs free
[23:04] <dwidmann> crash_hates_time: maybe cat /var/log/dmesg.0 |tail
[23:04] <dwidmann> holyguyver: that's not good.
[23:04] <dwidmann> holyguyver: "df -h /" tells you this?
[23:05] <holyguyver> dwidmann well I only have a 4GB harddrive
[23:05] <Simonf1> Which cd should i use to install on a Powerbook G4
[23:05] <coteyr> eddieftw; duon't suppose you have a link? This gooby and my recent googleage = google => rails api
[23:05] <eddieftw> sorry, it gobby
[23:05] <dwidmann> holyguyver: poor you ... you definitely need to upgrade ..... the bare min recommended for ubuntu desktop is 2GB
[23:05] <crash_hates_time> dwidmann: that command produced results, but nothing about USB
[23:05] <eddieftw> not gooby
[23:05] <crash_hates_time> suppose I'll break down and google it
[23:06] <dwidmann> crash_hates_time: I was just checking that dmesg log hadn't gotten full and started a new file
[23:06] <coreymon77> holyguyver: wow, only 4gb, when is this computer from, the stone age? :p
[23:06] <holyguyver> Well see at least I have 2 more then what is needed :p
[23:06] <Simonf1> Which cd should i use to install on a Powerbook G4?
[23:06] <holyguyver> coreymon77 it is a 1998 Gateway
[23:06] <dwidmann> holyguyver: yes, but that doesn't leave any room for any package cache at all, user files, etc
[23:06] <coreymon77> ouch
[23:07] <dwidmann> holyguyver: well, 2 gb worth, that's it
[23:07] <coreymon77> holyguyver: i think its time for a new computer
[23:07] <dwidmann> holyguyver: you could probably pick up a 250GB for $75
[23:07] <jabba_> Simonf1: the one that says "tiger" :)
[23:07] <holyguyver> dwidmann I don't have that much money
[23:07] <Simonf1> jabba_: ha ha
[23:07] <acemo> dwidmann: his computer probably wont be able to handle that big of a hard disk
[23:08] <jabba_> Simonf1: didn't ppc support get dropped with hardy?
[23:08] <eddieftw> Simonf1: i think the powerbook is ppc
[23:08] <dwidmann> acemo: come to think of it, you're probably right.
[23:08] <eddieftw> search ubuntu ppc installs
[23:08] <jabba_> if not, i'd suggest using the kubuntu 8.04 (non-kde4) disc
[23:08] <Simonf1> jabba_: im not sure, did it?
[23:08] <jabba_> Simonf1: use the web, luke
[23:08] <eddieftw> im not sure about the current ubuntu ppc support, so i went with straight debian on that one
[23:08] <holyguyver> dwidmann & I have 90mb ram
[23:08] <Simonf1> thanks
[23:09] <jabba_> well, then.
[23:09] <dwidmann> holyguyver: I would pull my hair out if I had to use that computer.
[23:09] <coteyr> eddieftw; ok that seems intresting. Was looking for more of a desktop sharing thing but that is intresting. I think it might actually work better
[23:09] <crash_hates_time> is prism54 a wifi chipset?
[23:09] <holyguyver> dwidmann been using it since 1998 :)
[23:09] <dwidmann> Ubuntu probably *barely* runs with 90MB of RAM
[23:10] <holyguyver> dwidmann it does barely run :p
[23:10] <jabba_> holyguyver: you're using kde and not xfce?
[23:10] <techbw> either prisim II 2.5 or 3
[23:10] <holyguyver> I am using xfce
[23:10] <dwidmann> holyguyver: with a computer that old I think I'd consider some other distro like, iono, dsl
[23:10] <jabba_> holyguyver: i ran xfce on solaris 9 on a sparc 4 for quite a while
[23:10] <crash_hates_time> hm. back to searching  then
[23:10] <jabba_> holyguyver: with 96mb of ram and 9gb of disk :)
[23:11] <holyguyver> dwidmann when I first came in here I said that I was using xfce, but that the kubuntu room is better at answering questions
[23:11] <techbw> i am running a 300mhz pc with 390mb ram.. with kubuntu 7.10 and it runs like a charm
[23:11] <dwidmann> holyguyver: I noticed that :)
[23:11] <techbw> no problems, only problem is that open office takes forever to open
[23:11] <dwidmann> Quite the compliment to this room as a whole
[23:11] <holyguyver> I am sorry I meant jabba
[23:12] <dwidmann> jabba_: any relation to the hut family?
[23:12] <acemo> techbw: office packets are log.. i prefer plain text files, or if it needs to be formatted LaTeX :)
[23:12] <jabba_> holyguyver: i'm hardly the kubuntu police :) got a mb air here, hp running vista/xpsp3, an hp running kubuntu/kde4, and a linux mpi cluster :)
[23:12] <techbw> i don't use office much so it doesn't really bother me...this pc is only for browsing.
[23:13] <techbw> have other better pc's for other uses.
[23:13] <techbw> anyone out there with experience in radius servers?
[23:13] <dwidmann> techbw: koffice would likely run *much* better than OOo
[23:13] <acemo> techbw: half my school switched from MS office/OpenOffice.org to LaTeX :)
[23:13] <holyguyver> jabba well as said I am 1998 Gateway 4GB HHD 90MB ram running Xubuntu :p
[23:13] <holyguyver> It barely runs Xubuntu as it is :p
[23:14] <techbw> will give it a try, don't think it comes pre-loaded with default install of kubuntu 7.10, have not had time to configure this pc...as the only time I use it is for brosing
[23:14] <acemo> holyguyver: U might want to try kde2? seems to run pretty fast on my friends laptop wich is 30Mhz 4MB ram :p
[23:15] <jabba_> techbw: i run radius here
[23:15] <techbw> so it should also run perfectly on a P1 with 133cpu and 64mb ram...have a couple of those that I can fix up and donate to some under privilaged kids
[23:15] <holyguyver> dwidmann acemo jabba , anyway I did an apt-get autoremove & went from 0mb free to 200 mbs free, so I am doing much better now :p the whole reason I wanted to open synaptic was/is to remove some progreams I do not need :p
[23:15] <techbw> jabba...you using freeradius?
[23:16] <crash_hates_time> dear lord I cannot get an authoritive answer on the chipset for this beasty
[23:16] <jabba_> techbw: not hardly :)
[23:16] <jabba_> techbw: sorry, we use some cisco horror
[23:16] <jabba_> crash_hates_time: what is the authoritative question?
[23:16] <techbw> was looking for some info on a good web frontend to manage free radius...that does not cost 99$
[23:17] <jabba_> techbw: sorry, we use the cisco stuff. have to have radius for all the voip stuff and the ironport.
[23:17] <techbw> radiusmanager is cool, but costs an arm and a leg, and I just want to manage 3-10 users that share my home connection
[23:17] <crash_hates_time> jabba_: What chipset is used in a wli2-usb2-g54 Buffalo Wireless USB device
[23:17] <jabba_> gack.
[23:17] <crash_hates_time> jabba_: For the record, I am googling :)
[23:18] <techbw> sounds like an atheros card. if i am correct
[23:18] <techbw> I know our 54g cards are atheros.
[23:18] <techbw> but mini pci
[23:18] <tales_2010> I'm trying to install new programs using adept installer.. but it gives an error saying that it can't download programs now because other program is already using the lock.. but there's no other program using it
[23:18] <jabba_> yeah it looks like atheros.
[23:19] <jabba_> crash_hates_time: http://totallydrivers.com/device.php?id=45666&show_devs=a
[23:19] <NickPresta> !aptfix | tales_2010
[23:19] <tales_2010> thanks
[23:19] <coteyr> eddieftw; sorry for that x died
[23:19] <coteyr> i have an odd problem with kopete
[23:20] <coteyr> that i havn't figured out yet
[23:20] <coteyr> gobby looks greate for the most part
[23:20] <coteyr> still guinie pigging a few co workers
[23:20] <crash_hates_time> jabba_: I think I may hate you now. Ive been searching for almost 30m to an answer for that :)
[23:20] <crash_hates_time> So, knowing that its an atheros chipset... how the *bleep* do I make it go!?!
[23:21] <techbw> i should work upton plugging in....
[23:21] <jabba_> crash_hates_time: the google-fu is strong with this one :)
[23:21] <techbw> issue ifconfig in terminal it should show up as ath0
[23:21] <jabba_> crash_hates_time: does "sudo dpkg -l '*atheros*'" return anything?
[23:22] <DarkriftX> where do i put fonts at when i download them?
[23:23] <techbw> crash_hates_time: have you checked to see if it shows up when you do ifconfig it should come up as ath0
[23:23] <crash_hates_time> jabba_: No packages found matching *atheros*.
[23:23] <jabba_> crash_hates_time: and it doesn't Just Work?
[23:23] <crash_hates_time> techbw: Nothing but eth0 and lo
[23:23] <jabba_> is eth0 a hard interface?
[23:23] <techbw> lsusb....does it show up there
[23:23] <crash_hates_time> jabba_: correct. Plugged it in, and ifconfig didnt pick it up
[23:24] <crash_hates_time> jabba: Yes, eth0 is a hardwire.
[23:24] <tales_2010> NickPresta: what if that does not work?
[23:24] <jabba_> crash_hates_time: what does var/log/messages have to say about it?
[23:24] <crash_hates_time> I dont suppose it matters that I havent rebooted or anything?
[23:24] <sirmike1970md> hi all  does anybody use samba to connect windows to kubuntu
[23:24] <jabba_> crash_hates_time: it's not windows :)
[23:24] <jabba_> sirmike1970md: uh, yes.
[23:25] <sirmike1970md> do you know how to configure it so that "k" can access windows
[23:25] <crash_hates_time> jabba_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10827/
[23:26] <tales_2010> I'm trying to install new programs using adept installer.. but it gives an error saying that it can't download programs now because other program is already using the lock.. but there's no other program using it.. and I've already tried the comand reconfigure dpkg
[23:26] <crash_hates_time> tales_2010: running as root?
[23:26] <eddieftw> !aptlock | tales_2010
[23:26] <weswh-> off topic...i have a RAID controller (ATA100). the cables i have are light blue on one side, black on the other. which color should the drive be connected to?
[23:26] <jabba_> crash_hates_time: (tail -35 /var/log/messages ; no cat required)
[23:27] <tales_2010> eddieftw: nope.. that didn't solve my problem
[23:27] <crash_hates_time> ... did you just tell me to kill my cat? (j/k) :)
[23:27] <crash_hates_time> weswh-: doesnt matter. either will work
[23:27] <jabba_> crash_hates_time: it looks like it saw the device, and identified it sorta correctly. does lsmod show you using the driver?
[23:28] <crash_hates_time> checking
[23:29] <tales_2010> crash_hates_time: yes.. runnin as root
[23:29] <jabba_> crash_hates_time: i'm not sure where to go with this, i've never used a usb ethernet adapter.
[23:29] <crash_hates_time> jabba_: Im still learning the OS. I dont SEE anything that relates to atheros or wireless. but here is the paste
[23:29] <crash_hates_time> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10829/
[23:29] <jabba_> it looks like the kernel did the right thing with the usb device
[23:30] <crash_hates_time> do I have to manually install the atheros driver?
[23:30] <techbw> the atheros chipset usb adapters i have used , plug and play, never had any problems....have u tested the card on another pc
[23:30] <jabba_> techbw: i think the problem is it's usb
[23:30] <crash_hates_time> techbw: works like a charm on a windows box
[23:31] <techbw> i have used usb atheros card on my systems, and also never had any problems
[23:31] <crash_hates_time> bear in mind, Im not %100 that its an atheros. Im basing that information on jabba's input
[23:31] <techbw> wierd that my default install has no problems picking it up
[23:31] <techbw> just going to search google with the details above to make sure it is atheros
[23:32] <jabba_> crash_hates_time: I'm near 100% sure it's an atheros if you identified it correctly to us.
[23:32] <jabba_> gr, this user has a better video card in their laptop than i have in my desktop :(
[23:32] <techbw> can't find it in all the above text send through details again...
[23:32] <crash_hates_time> Im gonna stick it back in the windows box for a minute. I have a great utility that will directly query the device for its info
[23:33] <techbw> k
[23:33] <jabba_> techbw: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=wli2-usb2-g54+wireless+atheros&btnG=Search
[23:33] <genius> Hi, audacious takes longer to start than firefox in hardy. anybody else with this problem?
[23:34] <techbw> looks like u not the only one having problems with that particular card
[23:35] <billyd> I got an  interesting problem - seems I screwed up upgrade to Hardy from gutsy and have a hy-brid system.  Hope I can straighten it out.
[23:36] <bmk789> billyd: just run "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade" again and that should fix it
[23:36] <techbw> seems to have ra link chipset. from what i gather so far only way is to use ndis wrapper
[23:37] <techbw> and even then the device is not working 100% with ndis wrapper driver
[23:37] <billyd> I was using Adept and switched to apt-get
[23:37] <coteyr> eddieftw; hmm gobby doen't seem to offer desktop sharing
[23:38] <coteyr> eddieftw; I still like it but I have to admit that, specially with visual things were gonna need some desktop sharing
[23:39] <dirtyhipster> Is it possibly to access files from my windows partition?
[23:39] <dirtyhipster> possible*
[23:39] <billyd> So far I've had to cope with a very slow system at LogOn Cafe on Monday and stopped in mid download.  Went back this morning after I was told system was fixed and fought what turned out to be kaput LAN card.
[23:39] <tales_2010> yes
[23:39] <techbw> crash_hates_time: did u rad the last messages
[23:39] <tales_2010> !mount
[23:39] <crash_hates_time> tech, no sorry. didnt see it highlighted red. Lemme scroll back up
[23:39] <tales_2010> !mount | dirtyhipster
[23:40] <techbw> looks like u not the only one having problems with that particular card
[23:40] <techbw> seems to have ra link chipset. from what i gather so far only way is to use ndis wrapper
[23:40] <billyd> If I can get my serve  increased from 128K to 512K for a fixed period of time - 1 week to a month or less. I may try from here
[23:40] <dirtyhipster> thanks
[23:40] <techbw> and even then the device is not working 100% with ndis wrapper driver
[23:40] <crash_hates_time> techbw: can you provide source for that information?
[23:40] <techbw> http://www.linuxcompatible.org/Anyone_using_WLI2-USB2-G54_with_ndiswrapper_in_Mandrake_10.1_t31057.html
[23:41] <techbw> crash_hates_time: does not look like anyone has gotten the card to work on linux
[23:41] <crash_hates_time> gr
[23:42] <crash_hates_time> I have 10,000 wireless cards, and not one of them run natively under linux
[23:42] <crash_hates_time> *sigh*
[23:42] <techbw> best is to get a prism II or an atheros based cards, they are truely plug and play...have not had problems with either
[23:42] <coreymon77> crash_hates_time: lappy or desktop?
[23:42] <crash_hates_time> lappy
[23:42] <coreymon77> ah
[23:43] <coreymon77> well get atheros
[23:43] <billyd> Back later
[23:43] <coreymon77> i got an atheros card for my desktop box, best card ive ever owned
[23:43] <crash_hates_time> lol, Im trying to avoid spending money. I'd like to use the hardware I have laying around
[23:43] <techbw> prism II cards are good performing cards, only problem they only go upto 11mbit
[23:43] <dwidmann> Wow, that was odd, my internet disappeared for a half hour, but it seems to have been a major firmware upgrade ... my satellite signal strength is up by 20% :O
[23:44] <techbw> atheros are all round cards, great performance, and great compatability on both windows and linux
[23:44] <crash_hates_time> ok hang on
[23:44] <crash_hates_time> I just grabbed the windows drivers from the manufacturer
[23:45] <techbw> can't help there...have no experience in using ndis wrapper....any one else want to jump in here!
[23:45] <crash_hates_time> and the driver files say "prisma02.cat / .sys"
[23:45] <crash_hates_time> that means its a prism card, yes?
[23:45] <techbw> i will follow and learn in the process
[23:45] <crash_hates_time> oh, I can handle the ndiswrapper. thats not a problem.
[23:46] <crash_hates_time> I want native functionality tho, not windows ghetto-rigging
[23:46] <jabba_> heh, ghetto-rigging
[23:46] <techbw> if it is prism it might be prism 2.5 or 3 and both are not really supported on linux i think.,..not sure never used them ...but i am sure i read that somewhere a while back when i was shopping for new cards
[23:46] <crash_hates_time> as much as i love the idea behind ndiswrapper, in the end-run, its a workaround and not an actual solution
[23:47] <jabba_> crash_hates_time: patches welcome :)
[23:47] <Enrico_> May I kindly ask a question? I installed Kubuntu 8.04 KDE4. I want to upgrade KDE to 4.0.4, and I added the Backports in the repositories. Full Upgrade -> nothing changes, still 4.0.3. Can you help?
[23:47] <crash_hates_time> jabba_: I am MUCH more efficient with whining :)
[23:47] <dwidmann> Enrico_: do dpkg --list kdelibs5
[23:47] <stdin> Enrico_: just wait for the packages to reach your mirror then
[23:47] <dwidmann> it should list 4.0.4 there ... but I think the apps lie andd say you're still using 4.0.3
[23:48] <coreymon77> crash_hates_time: this is also one of the cheapest cards ive ever owned :P
[23:48] <techbw> crash_hates_time: anyways good luck...have to go now, will check back ... and see how far u got
[23:48] <crash_hates_time> have fun tech
[23:48] <crash_hates_time> so, I guess now I need to identify what KIND of prism chipset I have.
[23:48] <Enrico_> Thanks a lot to dwidmann, stdin!!! I'll do it
[23:49] <plesso> I'm just trying the the Kubuntu Live CD - this is certainly very different from Fedora - the only other distro I've tried so far. So different it's hard to compare.
[23:49] <dwidmann> Enrico_: I've had luck with this mirror: http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu/ -- very fast and up to date
[23:49] <stdin> Enrico_: if you really want it now, you can try switching to the main http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu repo, but it'll probably be a bit slow
[23:49] <stdin> Enrico_: or do what dwidmann says ;)
[23:49] <Enrico_> I did it: kdelibs5       4:4.0.4-0ubunt
[23:50] <jabba_> crash_hates_time: i wish i had something better than a snarky reply. i've just never worked with the stuff you're stuck with.
[23:50] <dwidmann> Enrico_: see, the apps must be lying :O
[23:50] <crash_hates_time> jabba_: No worries man. I geniunely appreciate the assistance.
[23:51] <jota> helo
[23:51] <Enrico_> thanks! so I suppost apps are lying ("Konsole - version 2.0. Using KDE 4.0.3")
[23:51] <dwidmann> presumably a very small bug but a bug nonetheless ... I hope.
[23:51] <naught102> hi. Amarok is reporting that it can't play mp3s, even though it does play some, and even though libxine-ffmpeg is installed
[23:51] <naught102> anyone know why that might be?
[23:52] <tsb> Where do I disable tracker? It seems to be going haywire all the time
[23:52] <dwidmann> naught102: does it play everything else?
[23:52] <tsb> (not just kill it - on a system level)
[23:52] <tsb> I am unable to find it in init.d or in system services (kcontrol)
[23:53] <Enrico_> thanks everybocy 4 the help, and cheers from Italy
[23:53] <naught102> dwidmann: yeah, pretty much. it just fails on a couple of mp3s, then plays other mp3s after I tell it to shut up.
[23:55] <dwidmann> naught102: weird, try moving your ~/.xine folder and restart amarok and see if it behaves then, if not, try moving ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok and ~/.kde/share/config/amarokrc and restarting amarok again and see if it continues to complain
[23:55] <naught102> ok
[23:55] <PovAddict> I just managed to get the kernel to recognize my Palm Zire 31
[23:55] <PovAddict> and KPilot segfaulted
[23:57] <naught102> ok, thanks dwidmann, removing xine config worked, but I have a broken mp3 :)
[23:57] <PovAddict> http://www.pastebin.ca/1011179
[23:58] <naught102> anyone know where the kde keymappings are stored? my dell laptop volume buttons don't return a keysymbol in kde3, but they do in kde4