| mrooney | so let's say I tried to log out for the first time, and it displayed some text and then brought me to a black screen, which didn't respond to ctrl alt delete or ctrl backspace. what logs should I check and what should I report? | 00:27 |
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| sectech | When you logout are you trying to go back to the gdm login screen? | 00:30 |
| sectech | or just a console | 00:30 |
| mrooney | sectech: the gdm login, I just pressed the power button and then clicked logout | 00:31 |
| sectech | hmm.. | 00:32 |
| sectech | try checking /var/log/Xorg.0.log | 00:34 |
| sectech | What kind of video card do you have/ | 00:34 |
| sectech | ? | 00:34 |
| mrooney | sectech: sorry for my delay, an ati 350 | 00:44 |
| sectech | mrooney, On a fresh boot does your login screen come up okay? | 00:46 |
| mrooney | sectech: yeah, indeed, just fine | 00:47 |
| sectech | I'm sorry but I don't have a lot of time this evening, but you might want to check to see if gdm is crashing... maybe try and run a backtrace on that to see if it comes up with anything... That's where I would start if I was having that problem | 00:49 |
| mrooney | okay thanks | 00:50 |
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| greg-g | bdmurray: would it be wise to add links to BugSquad/KnowledgeBase under the Bug Tools section to the greasemonkey scripts (the karma, add tag, and responses which are in bzr and the latest one you posted to the list)? | 02:36 |
| mrooney | there are greasemonkey scripts for launchpad? | 02:59 |
| mrooney | for ubuntu? | 02:59 |
| greg-g | yep, brian just emailed out one he made to the bugsquad mailing list | 02:59 |
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| savvas | hi, I can't explain this problem properly, i have compiz enabled, and sometimes when i click the upper right button to maximize a window, it doesn't resize the window properly and the window stays the same | 07:03 |
| savvas | is this problem known? here's a screenshot: http://img238.imageshack.us/my.php?image=noresizemaximizedwindowgh5.png | 07:04 |
| kijoko | helo | 08:49 |
| kijoko | i need some help | 08:49 |
| MightyTweek | kijoko: what kind of help? | 08:55 |
| kijoko | hardy installed on may laptop | 08:55 |
| MightyTweek | You probably want to go to #ubuntu | 08:56 |
| kijoko | but i can't resume ( wake ) from suspend/hibernate | 08:56 |
| kijoko | no respon from #ubuntu | 08:56 |
| MightyTweek | this really isn't the right channel, you want to be in #ubuntu, but try https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspend and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3066404 | 08:58 |
| savvas | do you think bug #227644 related to compiz or metacity? | 09:31 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 227644 in ubuntu "window not properly maximized" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/227644 | 09:31 |
| savvas | *is related | 09:31 |
| Hewus | savvas: can you reproduce the issue with metacity? | 09:40 |
| savvas | hm.. | 09:42 |
| savvas | it doesn't happen always i'm afraid | 09:42 |
| savvas | let me disable it and try again | 09:42 |
| savvas | Hewus: i don't think so, in compiz after the 5th or 6th retry I got it happening | 09:44 |
| savvas | 'ere we go.. most probably compiz related | 09:45 |
| Hewus | savvas: if it only occurs with compiz, then mark it as compiz :-) | 09:46 |
| savvas | well that was easy, thanks :P | 09:47 |
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| Hewus | savvas: no worries :-) | 09:48 |
| lesshaste | hi | 09:52 |
| techno_freak | hi | 09:52 |
| lesshaste | I can't seem to work out how to read bug reports .. e.g. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24/+bug/165093 has two "Affects" lines marked as Invalid | 09:54 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 165093 in xorg-server "Xorg crashes with /usr/bin/X(FontFileCompleteXLFD+0x1e1)" [Unknown,Confirmed] | 09:54 |
| lesshaste | what does this mean? | 09:54 |
| techno_freak | lesshaste, it might have affected two different packages | 09:54 |
| techno_freak | lesshaste, for example firefox is different from firefox-3.0 | 09:55 |
| techno_freak | lesshaste, it looks like you can remove the 'Ubuntu' and 'linux-restricted..' | 09:56 |
| techno_freak | lesshaste, err.. i meant the two is not related to the bug and hence marked invalid | 09:59 |
| lesshaste | techno_freak: ok that's odd | 10:00 |
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| techno_freak | lesshaste, the orig. reporter might have added all the 3 because he wasn't sure, 'Ubuntu' is the default option | 10:01 |
| lesshaste | techno_freak: ok.. I assume it's a driver problem so restricted-drivers looks correct | 10:02 |
| lesshaste | but what do I know :) | 10:04 |
| techno_freak | lesshaste, if you want to make it restricted-drivers bug then you have to reason out, afaics people have dealt with it as a Xorg bug | 10:04 |
| lesshaste | techno_freak: ok.. I'll leave it to the experts.. .it is a bit sad to have an X crash bug at this point. I am not sure I have had one in the 15 years I have been using linux for :) | 10:05 |
| techno_freak | lesshaste, :) | 10:05 |
| lesshaste | techno_freak: by the way.. what is this channel for? :) | 10:05 |
| techno_freak | lesshaste, for the bug squad, to deal with bug triage. its more like a discussion channel for triagers | 10:06 |
| lesshaste | the triagers allocate bugs to people/teams? | 10:06 |
| norsetto | lesshaste: no | 10:07 |
| lesshaste | my bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/224561 was supposedley allocated to the kernel team but I see no evidence of it on the bug (I tried to do it myself but didn't have permission) | 10:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 224561 in linux "DVD drive errors in hardy" [Undecided,New] | 10:07 |
| lesshaste | norsetto: oh.. what do triagers do? | 10:07 |
| techno_freak | lesshaste, we help making the bug as informative as possible for the people to work on fixing it | 10:07 |
| lesshaste | techno_freak: cool | 10:08 |
| lesshaste | sounds like a really worthwhile job | 10:08 |
| techno_freak | :) | 10:08 |
| techno_freak | s/bug/bug report/ | 10:09 |
| lesshaste | techno_freak: well is there any more info needed for my bug above for example? :) | 10:09 |
| techno_freak | lesshaste, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage | 10:10 |
| lesshaste | techno_freak: so has 224561 actually been assigned to kernel? I seem to have problems reading the bug report metainformation | 10:11 |
| techno_freak | lesshaste, it is assigned to linux source package and handled by the ubuntu kernel team | 10:13 |
| lesshaste | ok.. sorry I will get used to how this works | 10:13 |
| lesshaste | I promise :) | 10:13 |
| lesshaste | Hardy is seriously buggy :) | 10:13 |
| techno_freak | eh | 10:14 |
| techno_freak | if there are no bugs, then there are really serious problems | 10:15 |
| lesshaste | techno_freak: :) there is quite a large margin between no bugs and too many bugs | 10:18 |
| lesshaste | I am sure it will all clear up slightly in the next month or so | 10:18 |
| techno_freak | lesshaste, i hardly encountered any bugs with hardy | 10:18 |
| lesshaste | techno_freak: ok.. on my system which is about 5 years old networking broke, X wouldn't start at all and the dvd drives spews errors on dmesg | 10:19 |
| lesshaste | :) | 10:19 |
| lesshaste | this was a simple upgrade from gutsy where everything worked perfectly | 10:19 |
| lesshaste | I could have waited a few months after hardy was released of course so I only have myself to blame :) | 10:20 |
| * ogra wonders why you have hda there at all | 10:25 | |
| ogra | we dont have any ide naming in the distro by default anymore, update manager should have taken care for the transition to sdX | 10:26 |
| savvas | udev package? | 10:27 |
| savvas | lesshaste: apt-cache policy udev | grep Installed | 10:27 |
| ogra | lesshaste, do you have added anything to /etc/modules to forcefully load ide drivers ? | 10:28 |
| ogra | (or something else along these lines) | 10:29 |
| jeromeg | could an archive admin take care of bug #227225 ? | 10:29 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 227225 in gutsy-backports "Please backport glest-data from Hardy" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/227225 | 10:29 |
| jeromeg | a package is not installable at the moment because of a partial backport | 10:29 |
| lesshaste | savvas: ? | 10:33 |
| lesshaste | ogra: was that for me? | 10:33 |
| ogra | lesshaste, thats why i prefixed it with your nick, yes :) | 10:33 |
| lesshaste | ogra: what was it in reply to ? :) | 10:34 |
| ogra | lesshaste, in reply to reading your bug report | 10:34 |
| lesshaste | ogra: the DVD drive problem? | 10:34 |
| lesshaste | ogra: I have more than one :) | 10:34 |
| ogra | i see ide in your dmseg, that shouldnt be there | 10:34 |
| ogra | libata is used in hardy that remaps drives to scsi devices | 10:34 |
| lesshaste | ogra: aha.. http://pastebin.com/f740c0c48 is /etc//modules | 10:35 |
| ogra | thats why i asked if you have added any ide drivers to something like /etc/modules | 10:35 |
| lesshaste | sorry ogra .. hard freeze so had to reboot :) | 10:39 |
| lesshaste | did you see anything in my /etc/modules file? | 10:40 |
| ogra | only the lm sensors stuff | 10:42 |
| ogra | a default one looks the same otherwise | 10:42 |
| lesshaste | right | 10:42 |
| ogra | but the hda and ide in your dmesg defiately looks wrong | 10:43 |
| ogra | err, wait | 10:43 |
| lesshaste | ogra: I have the full dmesg from the 2.6.22 boot if that helps | 10:44 |
| lesshaste | where there are no errors | 10:44 |
| ogra | could be that i2c-piix4 pulls in the wrong stuff | 10:44 |
| lesshaste | (except for fglrx but that is a different story) | 10:44 |
| thekorn | hello bugsquad! | 10:45 |
| ogra | can you comment the lm-sensors part in there, run: sudo update-initramfs -u and try a reboot ? | 10:45 |
| ogra | (especialy i2c-piix4) | 10:45 |
| lesshaste | rebooting | 10:46 |
| savvas | need someone to test the following: 1) open a terminal and run this: /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd -r 2) open another terminal and do this: nautilus ftp://viper.sh3lls.net 3) if you get an error without a login prompt, post to http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=525283 with the output from gvfsd and the error | 10:48 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 525283 in ftp backend "gvfs ftp error "invalid reply" without login prompt" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 10:48 |
| lesshaste | ogra: still get loads of [ 103.668329] hda: status error: error=0x00 { } | 10:48 |
| lesshaste | [ 103.668330] ide: failed opcode was: unknown | 10:48 |
| lesshaste | do you want to see dmesg? | 10:49 |
| ogra | did you cemmoent everything below line 11 in http://pastebin.com/f740c0c48 ? | 10:49 |
| lesshaste | http://pastebin.com/fcec1a27 | 10:50 |
| ogra | hmm | 10:50 |
| ogra | hats not it then | 10:50 |
| ogra | *thats | 10:50 |
| lesshaste | http://pastebin.com/f24d63784 <-- dmesg | 10:50 |
| ogra | in any case you need to get rid of hda | 10:50 |
| lesshaste | hwo do I do that? :) | 10:51 |
| ogra | ask in #ubuntu-kernel i think | 10:52 |
| lesshaste | to be clear.. what should the dvd drive be if not hda? | 10:52 |
| ogra | if the drive was recognized by libata and then a ide module is loaded you may have driver clashes that result in such error | 10:52 |
| ogra | scdX or so | 10:52 |
| ogra | we have no hdX naming anymore in hardy | 10:53 |
| lesshaste | aha | 10:53 |
| lesshaste | I see | 10:53 |
| ogra | and the device name indicates ts using a wrong driver here | 10:53 |
| ogra | i migh be wrong but i think thats one of your probs, the kernel guys can confirm or decline | 10:53 |
| lesshaste | ok I asked in #ubuntu-kernel | 10:55 |
| lesshaste | although it doesn't look like anyone is in | 10:55 |
| lesshaste | thanks | 10:55 |
| lesshaste | although the X crashes are much more annoying :) | 10:55 |
| savvas | lesshaste can i see your udev version? apt-cache policy udev | grep Installed | 10:56 |
| lesshaste | Installed: 117-8 | 10:56 |
| savvas | hm | 10:57 |
| savvas | dir /dev/h* | 10:58 |
| savvas | lesshaste: dir /dev/h* | 10:58 |
| lesshaste | /dev/hda /dev/hidraw0/dev/hpet | 10:58 |
| savvas | might a rules.d problem? | 11:00 |
| ogra | probably | 11:01 |
| ogra | lets see what -kernel replies, many of them are in the US | 11:01 |
| ogra | so will get up later | 11:01 |
| lesshaste | ogra: did you say nothing should be called /dev/hdX in hardy? | 11:02 |
| lesshaste | there are plenty of hdX lines in rules.d | 11:03 |
| savvas | well we can fix it by recreating the files | 11:04 |
| savvas | but the bug will be broken i guess | 11:04 |
| savvas | lesshaste: zip -r $HOME/Desktop/etc_udev_rules.d.zip /etc/udev/rules.d/ | 11:05 |
| lesshaste | ok | 11:07 |
| ogra | lesshaste, btw, which kernel version are you running ? -16 or -17 ? | 11:07 |
| lesshaste | 2.6.24-16 | 11:08 |
| lesshaste | I didn't know -17 was out | 11:08 |
| savvas | lesshaste: after that: sudo rm -rf /etc/udev/rules.d/*; sudo aptitude reinstall udev | 11:09 |
| ogra | its in hardy-proposed ... waiting for promotion to hardy-updates | 11:09 |
| lesshaste | oh ok | 11:09 |
| savvas | lesshaste: give it a reboot to use the new rules afterwards, let's see if that helps out | 11:10 |
| lesshaste | savvas: how do I create new rules? Doesn't zip -r $HOME/Desktop/etc_udev_rules.d.zip /etc/udev/rules.d/ just zip up the old ones? | 11:11 |
| savvas | 12:09:12 < savvas> lesshaste: after that: sudo rm -rf /etc/udev/rules.d/*; sudo aptitude reinstall udev | 11:11 |
| savvas | reinstalling udev should recreate them | 11:11 |
| lesshaste | oh I never saw that?! | 11:11 |
| savvas | ! | 11:12 |
| lesshaste | rebooting | 11:12 |
| savvas | ok :) | 11:12 |
| savvas | weird, ogra did you that command i gave previously? | 11:13 |
| savvas | did you see* :) | 11:13 |
| savvas | hm.. i wonder what happened to him | 11:20 |
| savvas | it took him 2 minutes before to reboot :\ | 11:21 |
| lesshaste | hi :) | 12:17 |
| lesshaste | that was an absolute catastrophe | 12:17 |
| lesshaste | savvas, are you still about? | 12:17 |
| lesshaste | or ogra ? | 12:19 |
| savvas | lesshaste: a bit busy but yeah | 12:22 |
| savvas | it didn't work? :\ | 12:22 |
| lesshaste | savvas, much much worse than that | 12:22 |
| lesshaste | savvas, the system wouldn't boot at all with the new rules.d | 12:22 |
| savvas | good we kept a back up then | 12:22 |
| lesshaste | savvas, well not really as I couldn't boot into linux at all | 12:23 |
| savvas | it's working again with the old rules? | 12:23 |
| savvas | ouch | 12:23 |
| savvas | not even with the live cd or the recovery option in grub? | 12:23 |
| lesshaste | savvas, I eventually booted into windows,mounted the linux partition and overwrote the old rules | 12:23 |
| lesshaste | not 2.6.22 will boot but 2.6.24 will not | 12:23 |
| savvas | hm.. better wait for -kernel as ogra proposed then | 12:24 |
| lesshaste | and I have no networking in 2.6.22 so I have had to find another computer to chat to you :) | 12:24 |
| savvas | i don't want to break anything else :) | 12:24 |
| lesshaste | well.. I would really like to boot 2.6.24 to get to where i was | 12:24 |
| savvas | it's really weird though, i used that here and it worked | 12:24 |
| lesshaste | it says it can't find the root file system | 12:24 |
| lesshaste | basically at the moment the computer is broken | 12:24 |
| lesshaste | either no networking or no booting | 12:24 |
| lesshaste | now 2.6.22 will boot I meant | 12:25 |
| lesshaste | if you could help me get back to square one that would be great | 12:25 |
| lesshaste | savvas, I looked and after doing the aptitude command I ended up with only two rules! | 12:26 |
| lesshaste | persistent-cd and persistent-net | 12:26 |
| savvas | hm.. | 12:27 |
| lesshaste | I need to work on this computer today so it's a problem :( | 12:27 |
| savvas | well i made the booboo, i guess i have to fix it | 12:27 |
| lesshaste | thanks | 12:27 |
| savvas | boot up from a live cd and connect to the internet | 12:28 |
| lesshaste | I have a live usb key | 12:28 |
| savvas | that would work i guess | 12:28 |
| lesshaste | can you remind me how to boot form usb? | 12:28 |
| lesshaste | from | 12:28 |
| savvas | it depends on your bios i'm afraid | 12:28 |
| savvas | you stick your usb in and press the Del key several times while booting up | 12:29 |
| savvas | you have to change the boot sequence | 12:29 |
| savvas | here you're on your own, i don't know every bios :) | 12:30 |
| savvas | you choose the usb as the first option, then save your changes and exit | 12:30 |
| savvas | lesshaste: still there? | 12:31 |
| lesshaste | yes but I am not sure I can do your first step | 12:31 |
| lesshaste | just trying 2.6.24 again | 12:31 |
| lesshaste | it says "Begin: Waiting for root file system" | 12:32 |
| lesshaste | before that | 12:32 |
| lesshaste | "Begin: Running /scripts/local-top" | 12:32 |
| lesshaste | and before that | 12:32 |
| lesshaste | "Begin: Mounting root files system...." | 12:32 |
| lesshaste | so it must just be looking in the wrong place I assume? | 12:33 |
| lesshaste | I can't see how to boot off the usb device sadly.. I tried "removable" as the first boot device with no luck | 12:34 |
| lesshaste | I can of course copy whatever is needed over on the usb device if that helps | 12:35 |
| savvas | lesshaste: don't you have an old ubuntu cd somewhere? | 12:37 |
| savvas | it doesn't have to be the newest release to do what we have to do | 12:37 |
| lesshaste | wireless won't work with an old version | 12:37 |
| lesshaste | but I am looking | 12:38 |
| savvas | lesshaste: you 're on a second pc there right? | 12:38 |
| lesshaste | yes | 12:38 |
| savvas | cool, you could pass on the commands without network then | 12:38 |
| lesshaste | ok | 12:38 |
| savvas | basicall, what we will do is to mount your root partition and unzip the old rules back to their place | 12:39 |
| lesshaste | I did that | 12:39 |
| lesshaste | that's how I have booted into 2.6.22 | 12:39 |
| savvas | but through windows you don't keep permissions | 12:39 |
| lesshaste | ok.. but I am in 2.6.22 now.. so I can do the command | 12:40 |
| savvas | i guess that broke off while you unzipped it | 12:40 |
| lesshaste | what would you like me to do? | 12:40 |
| lesshaste | broken pc 1 is in 2.6.22 | 12:40 |
| savvas | load the live cd environment normally | 12:40 |
| lesshaste | I don't have a live cd | 12:40 |
| lesshaste | why do I need one? | 12:40 |
| savvas | oh.. you don't :) | 12:40 |
| lesshaste | ok | 12:40 |
| lesshaste | so.. I am all yours :) | 12:41 |
| savvas | let me see, you booted to an older kernel right? | 12:41 |
| lesshaste | yes | 12:41 |
| lesshaste | I also don't understand why permissions will break 2.6.24 but not 2.6.22 | 12:41 |
| savvas | wanna try reinstall the kernel images first? | 12:41 |
| lesshaste | really? | 12:42 |
| lesshaste | why would that help? | 12:42 |
| savvas | it could set up the boot process to recognise the right device | 12:42 |
| lesshaste | ok | 12:42 |
| lesshaste | so what do I need to download? | 12:42 |
| savvas | sudo aptitude reinstall linux-image-2.6.24-16-generic | 12:43 |
| lesshaste | grr :) | 12:43 |
| lesshaste | you know I don't have a network connection on the broken pc | 12:43 |
| lesshaste | so I need to download it on the other one | 12:44 |
| savvas | i know :\ | 12:44 |
| lesshaste | and move it across on the usb stick | 12:44 |
| savvas | argh no then | 12:44 |
| savvas | get a working version first hen | 12:44 |
| savvas | *then | 12:44 |
| savvas | wait | 12:44 |
| savvas | er.. maybe you already have it downloaded | 12:45 |
| savvas | lesshaste: ls /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image* | 12:45 |
| lesshaste | I have | 12:46 |
| savvas | /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.24-16-generic_2.6.24-16.30_i386.deb ? | 12:46 |
| lesshaste | linux-image-2.6.24-16-generic_2.6.24-16/30_i386.deb | 12:46 |
| lesshaste | and | 12:46 |
| lesshaste | linux-image-generic_2.6.24.16.18_i386.deb | 12:47 |
| lesshaste | (excuse typos) | 12:47 |
| savvas | no probs | 12:47 |
| savvas | we could could try reinstall that | 12:47 |
| lesshaste | linux-image-2.6.24-16-generic_2.6.24-16.30_i386.deb | 12:47 |
| lesshaste | ok | 12:47 |
| lesshaste | how do I do that? | 12:47 |
| savvas | sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.24-16-generic_2.6.24-16.30_i386.deb | 12:48 |
| lesshaste | and you think that might fix something? | 12:50 |
| lesshaste | what else would the aptitude command you gave me have changed to break the system? | 12:50 |
| savvas | that, or this command: sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.24-16-generic | 12:51 |
| savvas | i must warn you i've never tried the latter one | 12:51 |
| lesshaste | :) | 12:51 |
| lesshaste | which one?! | 12:51 |
| savvas | while you installed with dpkg | 12:51 |
| savvas | did it say anything about reconfiguring grub? | 12:51 |
| lesshaste | yes | 12:52 |
| savvas | and no problems there? | 12:52 |
| savvas | do: cat /boot/grub/menu.lst | grep -i hd | 12:53 |
| lesshaste | ok so now 2.6.24 boots :) | 12:53 |
| savvas | cool | 12:54 |
| lesshaste | but networking is still broken | 12:54 |
| lesshaste | going to try to fix that now | 12:54 |
| savvas | you have a live environment too? | 12:54 |
| savvas | sorry, gnome* | 12:54 |
| savvas | lesshaste: this is still with the old rules right? | 12:55 |
| lesshaste | yes | 12:56 |
| lesshaste | the networking was killed by reinstalling the kernel probablu | 12:56 |
| lesshaste | just checking | 12:56 |
| savvas | you could try recompile the kernel-modules as well :) | 12:57 |
| savvas | i mean reinstall | 12:57 |
| savvas | man, it's my typo day today | 12:57 |
| lesshaste | where do I find them? | 12:58 |
| savvas | /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-16-generic_2.6.24-16.23_i386.deb | 12:59 |
| savvas | /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-16-generic_2.6.24.12-16.34_i386.deb | 12:59 |
| savvas | /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-restricted-modules-common_2.6.24.12-16.34_all.deb | 12:59 |
| savvas | you use sudo dpkg -i for each one | 12:59 |
| savvas | and give it a reboot again | 13:01 |
| savvas | btw, I can't tell you how sorry I am for breaking it up :( | 13:02 |
| lesshaste | there are three restricted modules packages | 13:03 |
| savvas | linux-restricted-modules-generic* ? | 13:03 |
| lesshaste | modules-common, modules and modules-generic | 13:03 |
| savvas | ignore that one, it's just a meta-package | 13:03 |
| savvas | a "shortcut" :) | 13:03 |
| === jw2328_ is now known as james_w | ||
| lesshaste | thanks for the apologising | 13:04 |
| lesshaste | I should have known better than to follow instructions like that blindly | 13:04 |
| savvas | the good news is you found your way through.. and i have to stop suggesting stuff that could be dangerous | 13:05 |
| lesshaste | well.. when I have networking back I will be pleased :) | 13:05 |
| savvas | i hope we can fix that as well :) | 13:06 |
| lesshaste | it's quite odd that it's not working | 13:06 |
| savvas | still not working after a reboot? | 13:06 |
| lesshaste | the instructions I following originally are https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/34902/comments/177 | 13:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 34902 in ubuntu "Ralink Wireless legacy drivers (rt2500 rt61 rt73 rt2570) USB/PCMCIA/PCI hangs PC" [High,Confirmed] | 13:07 |
| savvas | you can reinstall the headers too if you think that's appropriate | 13:08 |
| savvas | should be these two: /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-headers-2.6.24-16-generic_2.6.24-16.30_i386.iso /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-headers-2.6.24-16_2.6.24-16.30_all.deb | 13:10 |
| lesshaste | ok | 13:15 |
| lesshaste | the problem seems to be starting wireless.. wlan0 is there | 13:15 |
| lesshaste | but without an ip address | 13:15 |
| Iulian | Hey pedro_! | 13:16 |
| pedro_ | hi Iulian | 13:16 |
| lesshaste | hmm.. what is wlan0:avahi?? | 13:16 |
| savvas | lesshaste: avahi is the avahi-daemon | 13:17 |
| savvas | but i'm no expert at that | 13:17 |
| lesshaste | what is that for? | 13:17 |
| savvas | This package contains the Avahi Daemon which represents your machine | 13:18 |
| savvas | on the network and allows other applications to publish and resolve | 13:18 |
| savvas | mDNS/DNS-SD records. | 13:18 |
| lesshaste | hmm :) | 13:19 |
| lesshaste | I just want my networking back! | 13:19 |
| lesshaste | waah! | 13:19 |
| lesshaste | savvas, any idea why this rules.d thing might have killed my networking? | 13:21 |
| savvas | lesshaste: wanna try unzip the rules again? | 13:21 |
| lesshaste | why would that help? | 13:22 |
| savvas | ls -l /etc/udev/rules.d/ | 13:22 |
| savvas | the files have -rw-r--r-- 1 root root ? | 13:22 |
| lesshaste | yep | 13:22 |
| lesshaste | I'm going to have to give up and go work somewhere else | 13:24 |
| savvas | hold a sec | 13:24 |
| savvas | try reinstall udev once more: sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_117-8_i386.deb | 13:24 |
| savvas | it won't touch the old rules, but might reconfigure the system to use them again (?) | 13:25 |
| savvas | (i'm speculating) | 13:25 |
| savvas | then reboot | 13:26 |
| lesshaste | wlan0 is up | 13:29 |
| lesshaste | it just doesn't have an ip adress | 13:29 |
| lesshaste | there must be some simple solution but I can't find it | 13:29 |
| lesshaste | and I have go get on with work | 13:29 |
| lesshaste | bye | 13:32 |
| savvas | he left? | 13:33 |
| savvas | darn | 13:33 |
| bddebian | Boo | 15:12 |
| Iulian | pedro_: Could you please translate bug 227549? | 15:46 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 227549 in amsn "se reinicio al estar usando amsn" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/227549 | 15:46 |
| pedro_ | Iulian: sure, give me a min | 15:47 |
| pedro_ | Iulian: done | 15:52 |
| Iulian | pedro_: Thanks | 15:53 |
| pedro_ | you're welcome | 15:53 |
| pochu | asac: the replytolist Thunderbird extension doesn't seem to work for me. I'm on Hardy, do you have any idea why? | 17:52 |
| pochu | asac: this page says TB needs a patch and that the Ubuntu maintainer applied it... do you know if it's still there? http://alumnit.ca/wiki/index.php?page=ReplyToListThunderbirdExtension#toc4 | 17:54 |
| pochu | hmm, looks like: | 17:54 |
| pochu | * debian/patches/reply-to-list-support: port reply-to-list-support to 2.0 | 17:54 |
| pochu | branch | 17:54 |
| seb128 | why are people not using evolution which is the default mailer in ubuntu? | 17:56 |
| ccooke | seb128: they prefer something else? | 17:56 |
| laga | let's just drop thunderbird if evolution is the default mailer. duh.. | 17:57 |
| seb128 | that doesn't reply to the question | 17:57 |
| seb128 | very constructive guys | 17:57 |
| pochu | seb128: because I started using Thunderbird since I use Windows and haven't needed anything else yet ;) | 17:57 |
| ccooke | seb128: so what you're *actually* asking is "How could Evolution be improved to draw more users to the default"? | 17:58 |
| laga | seb128: i'm not using evolution because i don't want to. | 17:58 |
| pochu | well except a couple of extensions, and one of them doesn't work... | 17:58 |
| laga | also, i'm using kubuntu and nobody should be forced to use kmail ;) | 17:58 |
| seb128 | ccooke: the question is "what makes user switch to something else", or rather "what should we aim at fixing there" | 17:58 |
| seb128 | ccooke: because if most user switch that's clearly that the default software has issues | 17:59 |
| pochu | seb128: also Evolution is more than a mail client AFAIK, isn't it? It would be like comparing Outlook with Outlook Express... | 17:59 |
| seb128 | ccooke: and I would like to know which one so we can work on solving those | 17:59 |
| seb128 | pochu: well, nobody force you to use the calendar, tasks, etc | 17:59 |
| pochu | that's right | 17:59 |
| ccooke | seb128: I use Evolution - however, I can't use it at work. | 18:00 |
| pochu | I have never tried it TBH, I guess I'll look at it one day :) | 18:00 |
| persia | seb128: Speaking for myself, I found evolution significantly slower than claws for my needs. | 18:00 |
| ccooke | It doesn't work reliably with our Exchange server (I believe because of our use of Enterprise Vault, which is a third party tool) | 18:00 |
| seb128 | ccooke: is there any linux software working correctly with your exchange server? | 18:03 |
| ccooke | Firefox? :-) | 18:03 |
| ccooke | I'm currently using OWA directly | 18:04 |
| seb128 | persia: what is slower? network transferts? starting time? rendering? | 18:04 |
| persia | seb128: Startup and time from pressing "Reply" to having an editing window are the two things I noticed. | 18:05 |
| ccooke | seb128: Some information here: https://forums.symantec.com/syment/board/message?board.id=106&thread.id=9475 | 18:05 |
| ccooke | seb128: (but I don't have the time to try tinkering at work) | 18:06 |
| seb128 | I guess those are not the reasons most user run rather thunderbird | 18:06 |
| seb128 | and not things easy to change | 18:06 |
| persia | seb128: Note that my case may be a little odd: I typically have a fair bit of memory pressure, and so am more likely to encounter issues with larger image size than many. | 18:06 |
| seb128 | evolution takes 1 second to open a reply dialog on a 3 year old configuration, that's not perfect but I don't think that's a real issue | 18:06 |
| persia | claws is ~600 ms on a 4-year old worksation with over 1 MB/s network traffic, full cache, and reported 100% proc usage (mostly iowait). | 18:08 |
| persia | Mind you, it's not a real issue: depends on use case. Typically it takes several minutes to type the message anyway. | 18:09 |
| ogra | we should really switch to balsa | 18:19 |
| * seb128 slaps ogra | 18:19 | |
| * ogra hides | 18:19 | |
| ogra | bah, to solw :) | 18:20 |
| ogra | *slow | 18:20 |
| seb128 | pedro_: bug #227825 == bug #204434? | 18:24 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 227825 in nautilus "Nautilus doesn't update thumbnails with some zoom levels" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/227825 | 18:24 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 204434 in nautilus "Thumbnails for 200% zoom are regenerated each time a folder is opened." [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204434 | 18:24 |
| asac | pochu: we ship that patch iirc | 18:42 |
| asac | pochu: is the extension properly installed? | 18:43 |
| pochu | asac: woops, nevermind, works fine! | 18:49 |
| pochu | asac: my bad, I thought it was 'ctrl+l' instead of 'ctrl+i' | 18:49 |
| asac | pochu: thanks for confirming ;) | 18:58 |
| pedro_ | seb128: it looks different to me, but looking at Michael comment could be | 19:06 |
| bdmurray | pedro_: still around? | 20:05 |
| pedro_ | bdmurray: yeap | 20:06 |
| bdmurray | I'm guessing bug 208181 is a dup of something - do you know what? | 20:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 208181 in ubuntu "Optional Information Needed to Connect to Samba Share" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208181 | 20:06 |
| bdmurray | They say you need to specify a share name | 20:07 |
| pedro_ | bdmurray: yeah it's a dup, assign it to gvfs in the meantime | 20:09 |
| bdmurray | pedro_: okay, I'll see if I can find the one if it should be a dup of | 20:10 |
| pedro_ | looks like bug 223372 | 20:10 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 223372 in gvfs "gvfsd-smb mounting requires / to be accessible to the user and should not" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/223372 | 20:10 |
| bdmurray | ogasawara: Have you noticed that the l-r-m package redirects to linux-meta? | 20:10 |
| ogasawara | bdmurray: I haven't | 20:11 |
| bdmurray | Yeah, if you don't use the l-r-m-2.6.xyz it gets reassigned to linux-meta which I think is kind of strange | 20:13 |
| ogasawara | huh | 20:13 |
| bdmurray | Its interesting that there is a just 'linux' package but not a 'l-r-m' and 'l-u-m' package | 20:14 |
| secretlondon | yay debian have fixed the libsoundtouch bug, now to patch audacity! | 20:17 |
| thekorn | hello @all! - what should I do with a report like bug 226221? refering to the CoC and close it as 'Invalid'? | 20:18 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 226221 in firefox "FF 20014 BROKEN ON UBUNTU 810" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/226221 | 20:18 |
| bdmurray | pedro_: maybe more like bug 209520 | 20:19 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 209520 in nautilus "SMB error: Unable to mount location" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209520 | 20:19 |
| bdmurray | thekorn: I'll take care of it | 20:20 |
| thekorn | bdmurray, thanks a lot | 20:20 |
| thekorn | bdmurray, to be honest: I don't understand your last change to py-lp-bugs, | 20:25 |
| thekorn | the xpath change for comments | 20:25 |
| bdmurray | 'boardComment' became 'boardComment ' in the html version | 20:25 |
| bdmurray | using contains will match either one | 20:26 |
| thekorn | but unfortunatly now it is totaly broken :( | 20:26 |
| thekorn | because it now also matches div class="boardCommentDetails" for example | 20:26 |
| * thekorn hates string changes in lp | 20:28 | |
| bdmurray | hmm, I'd tested it a bit | 20:28 |
| bdmurray | Do you know how we could make it match either 'boardComment' or 'boardComment '? | 20:29 |
| bdmurray | I'd prefer not to have to keep changing it | 20:29 |
| thekorn | we could use something like //body//div[@class="boardComment"] | //body//div[@class="boardComment "] | 20:31 |
| * thekorn reads the xpath tutorial | 20:31 | |
| thekorn | maybe they accidentally changed this string anyway | 20:34 |
| bdmurray | Right if it was an accident it might go back to "boardComment" or could become "boardComment " someday | 20:35 |
| thekorn | but if they keep on adding whitespaces at the end of attributes, we maybe need an xpath hook function to remove them | 20:36 |
| thekorn | or change all xpath expressions | 20:37 |
| thekorn | I'm looking forward the day when launchpad gets a real database API | 20:37 |
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| thekorn | bdmurray, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10791/ fixes parsing of comments for me, | 20:48 |
| thekorn | tested for some bugreports | 20:48 |
| bdmurray | cool, I'm looking at another idea at the moment | 20:49 |
| thekorn | btw, your greasemonkey script is really cool | 20:50 |
| bdmurray | thekorn: thanks, I've been learning lots of xpath | 20:53 |
| thekorn | this is even shorter: '//body//div[@class="boardComment" or @class="boardComment "]' | 20:54 |
| bdmurray | speaking of this seems to work - xmldoc.xpathEval("//body//div[normalize-space(@class)='boardComment']") | 20:54 |
| thekorn | YAY!! | 20:54 |
| bdmurray | The normalize-space function returns the argument string with whitespace normalized by stripping leading and trailing whitespace and replacing sequences of whitespace characters by a single space. | 20:54 |
| thekorn | I was always looking for such a function, but did not find any reference to it | 20:55 |
| * thekorn needs new glasses | 20:56 | |
| bdmurray | I'll fix the boardComment parsing using that for Hardy and Intrepid | 20:57 |
| thekorn | super, thanks | 20:57 |
| james_w | hi secretlondon | 21:01 |
| secretlondon | hi james_w | 21:01 |
| james_w | secretlondon: I saw that soundtouch was fixed, are you ok to handle audacity? | 21:01 |
| secretlondon | james_w yeah, as it's just my patch that didn't work because of soundtouch | 21:02 |
| secretlondon | I'm just setting up this new machine with all the dev tools, and gonna make an intrepid pbuilder | 21:02 |
| james_w | secretlondon: cool, are you aiming for an update in hardy? Is that even needed? | 21:02 |
| secretlondon | james_w it would be nice, but other programs also depend on libsoundtouch | 21:02 |
| james_w | intrepid pbuilders were broken last I heard, does anyone know whether that is fixed now? | 21:03 |
| secretlondon | and it's a change in the pc file, which is _bound_ to break stuff | 21:03 |
| james_w | secretlondon: ah, of course, you needed a new upstream version as well didn't you? | 21:03 |
| secretlondon | james_ w yes, and a pc file with a different name | 21:03 |
| secretlondon | so I guess too risky, as we'd have to patch every other music program that depended on libsoundtouch | 21:03 |
| james_w | yep | 21:05 |
| james_w | feel free to ping me if you need anything | 21:05 |
| secretlondon | we'll have to do that for intrepid, but at least we'll have the same pc name as upstream, and all the non-debian based distros | 21:06 |
| secretlondon | james_w thanks, should I proactively patch the other apps that depend on it? I presume Debian will have the issue firts | 21:06 |
| james_w | making patches should be straightforward, and Debian would appreciate it as well, so I think it could be worthwhile. | 21:07 |
| secretlondon | ok | 21:07 |
| james_w | not everything may use the .pc | 21:08 |
| james_w | I can grab a list of the packages that may be affected if you like | 21:08 |
| secretlondon | james_w that would be useful thanks | 21:09 |
| noelferreira | my keys get stuck sometimes and other times don't work. can anyone help me with this huge bug: http://pastebin.com/m7bc88052 | 21:10 |
| james_w | secretlondon: http://pastebin.com/f3b18ab39 | 21:19 |
| james_w | that's hardy, so there may be some things that sneak in to intrepid, I can't check yet though. | 21:19 |
| james_w | grep-dctrl -FBuild-Depends -sPackage,Build-Depends -e "soundtouch" < /var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hardy_*_source_Sources if you are interested | 21:20 |
| secretlondon | james_w thanks, I can't get an intrepid pbuilder E: No such script: /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/intrepid | 21:21 |
| secretlondon | so I can't test which is suboptimal | 21:21 |
| james_w | secretlondon: you need to enable hardy-backports and install the debootstrap from there. | 21:22 |
| secretlondon | ah! thanks | 21:22 |
| james_w | it may well fail then as well | 21:22 |
| james_w | you could test in a hardy pbuilder, at least for now, it would have a reasonable chance of giving the same results. | 21:22 |
| secretlondon | true | 21:22 |
| * secretlondon is scared that hardy security wasn't ticked by default | 21:23 | |
| secretlondon | but updates was | 21:23 |
| bdmurray | thekorn: weren't there some other changes you wanted merged after hardy was out? | 21:23 |
| jdavies | secretlondon: security.u.c is down at the moment, however you may grab them from archive.u.c | 21:23 |
| secretlondon | jdavies, thanks, I was more concerned that this is a vanilla install | 21:24 |
| secretlondon | james_w except that a hardy pbuilder would have the old library | 21:24 |
| thekorn | bdmurray, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/python-launchpad-bugs/+bugs?field.tag=fix-available and there is also an intrepid milestone | 21:25 |
| james_w | secretlondon: there are tricks you can play to get around that. I can fill you in, or offer to test build your patches. | 21:25 |
| secretlondon | james_w I'm still setting this machine up, I'll play tonight and let you know | 21:26 |
| * secretlondon is intending to do more patching and dev work for this release :) | 21:26 | |
| james_w | \o/ | 21:27 |
| thekorn | bdmurray, but maybe I should go throught them, test them and add one by one to the .main branch | 21:27 |
| james_w | secretlondon: weren't you packaging some tuxpaint snapshots in your ppa? | 21:28 |
| secretlondon | james_w one thing, I have the new packaging for cinepaint in my ppa, done by sidux, not yet in debian. should I stick on revu? | 21:29 |
| bdmurray | or maybe we can find some time to work on it at UDS | 21:29 |
| noelferreira | my keys get stuck sometimes and other times don't work. can anyone help me with this huge bug: http://pastebin.com/m7bc88052 | 21:29 |
| secretlondon | james_w I have the new version of tuxpaint (0.9.19) in my ppa but talking to the dd to share packaging | 21:30 |
| james_w | secretlondon: yeah, if you want it in intrepid go for it. | 21:30 |
| james_w | secretlondon: cool, ogra was looking at the merge earlier I think. ogra, did you get the tupaint merge done? | 21:30 |
| secretlondon | james_w I'd love it in intrepid, but it's not my packaging it's etorix from sidux's. It's still been poor not to have in hardy | 21:31 |
| thekorn | bdmurray, sounds good! | 21:31 |
| secretlondon | james_w debian have the same version of tuxpaint that we have currently 0.9.17 | 21:31 |
| secretlondon | I changed the depends/recommends (in consulation with the dd), so we have a later version I suppose | 21:31 |
| james_w | secretlondon: ah, I must have been mistaken then, sorry. | 21:32 |
| secretlondon | james_w it would need a merge from debian, but it'd be better to get 0.9.19 | 21:32 |
| james_w | secretlondon: though there has been an upload in debian to -1.1, so a merge is still needed. | 21:32 |
| secretlondon | I presume we can have my packaging, and if ben from Debian makes a better package we can change | 21:32 |
| james_w | secretlondon: well, if you get in done in Debian that would be even better. | 21:32 |
| secretlondon | james_w i'd rather get Ben to make the package and us to sync | 21:33 |
| * secretlondon notes that these don't all have to be done this evening ;) | 21:34 | |
| james_w | hehe | 21:35 |
| noelferreira | my keys get stuck sometimes and other times don't work. can anyone help me with this huge bug: http://pastebin.com/m7bc88052 | 21:40 |
| secretlondon | noelferreira, this is a poor place for support - sorry | 21:42 |
| bdmurray | calc: are you familiar with an openoffice bug where a username and password are required but there is no text entry field for the username when accessing files on an sftp share? | 22:04 |
| bdmurray | I haven't found one right away | 22:04 |
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| calc | bdmurray: i think there is a sftp bug open already, but not sure if it is that specifically | 22:17 |
| bdmurray | calc: I saw bug 214275 but they seem to indicate the correct username is filled in while I have no idea what username is used | 22:18 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 214275 in openoffice.org "Can't open files on SFTP share with OpenOffice" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214275 | 22:18 |
| sectech | Has anyone come through here recently stating there hardy livecd won't boot right... I just bought a new sata drive and I can't get the damn cd to load and recognize the drive.... yet the gusty live cd will work fine | 22:22 |
| secretlondon | sectech there is/was a hardy bug in development with some cd rom drives | 22:23 |
| sectech | Hhmm... the install worked fine when I had the ata drive hooked up.... and gusty is installing as I type this... | 22:24 |
| sectech | I used the latest cd image too | 22:24 |
| sectech | and yes the md5sums checked out | 22:24 |
| calc | bdmurray: you scared my electricity away ;-) | 22:36 |
| bdmurray | that's a new one | 22:38 |
| sectech | k... It's the kernel version.... Whatever we were using in Alpha 1 reads the hard drive just fine... | 22:49 |
| sectech | I smell a bug.... | 22:49 |
| sectech | I'll have to install hardy with alpha 1 and then do the updates. | 22:50 |
| bdmurray | Wouldn't the updates, specifically the new kernel version, break it then? | 22:53 |
| bdmurray | calc: I've updated bug 214275 | 22:53 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 214275 in openoffice.org "Can't open files on SFTP share with OpenOffice" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214275 | 22:53 |
| bdmurray | Let me know if you need anything else | 22:53 |
| sectech | that will be the ultimate test won't it | 22:54 |
| sectech | I'm going to try the alternate cd just for giggles.. | 22:55 |
| sectech | might as well play with the problem while I can | 22:55 |
| bdmurray | they use the same kernel version | 22:56 |
| sectech | yeh I know.... like I said, just for giggles.... plus the release cd's wouldn't have the latest kernel version anyway... we had an upgrade after hardy was released. | 22:57 |
| sectech | I kinda wanted the 64 bit installed, but whatever | 22:59 |
| sectech | Is there a mirror where we could still get the alpha and beta versions? | 23:03 |
| bdmurray | not that I know of | 23:03 |
| sectech | crap | 23:04 |
| sectech | k... well I am gonna run with the alpha 1 since it's working | 23:05 |
| sectech | brb | 23:05 |
| calc | bdmurray: thanks | 23:07 |
| calc | bdmurray: i'd have to try it again i think it might have broken later | 23:08 |
| noelferreira | my keys get stuck sometimes and other times don't work. can anyone help me with this huge bug: http://pastebin.com/m7bc88052 | 23:14 |
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| secretlondon | james_w I've made my debdiff, but I note that the new lib ftbfs due to lack of intltool | 23:41 |
| james_w | secretlondon: I think that's a known problem with intrepid at the moment. Or is this hardy? | 23:41 |
| secretlondon | james_w intrepid | 23:41 |
| james_w | yeah, I think that's known. | 23:42 |
| james_w | I think you'll just have to sit tight for a couple of days until this smooths out. | 23:42 |
| james_w | or you could just get and upload and hope :-) | 23:42 |
| james_w | secretlondon: your debdiff looks pretty simple though | 23:44 |
| james_w | are you aware there is a newer version in Debian? | 23:44 |
| james_w | and we probably want it, as it fixes the build with gcc-4.3, which is what is default in intrepid. | 23:45 |
| secretlondon | james_w argh, didn't check | 23:51 |
| secretlondon | my patch is really simple though | 23:51 |
| james_w | yep, but I don't think it will build without Debian's changes. | 23:52 |
| secretlondon | ah | 23:52 |
| james_w | the merge should be straightforward, and you can roll your patch in with that. | 23:52 |
| secretlondon | sure | 23:52 |
| james_w | anyway, time for bed I think. Good night. | 23:53 |
| secretlondon | night! thanks for your help | 23:53 |
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