[00:27] so let's say I tried to log out for the first time, and it displayed some text and then brought me to a black screen, which didn't respond to ctrl alt delete or ctrl backspace. what logs should I check and what should I report? [00:30] When you logout are you trying to go back to the gdm login screen? [00:30] or just a console [00:31] sectech: the gdm login, I just pressed the power button and then clicked logout [00:32] hmm.. [00:34] try checking /var/log/Xorg.0.log [00:34] What kind of video card do you have/ [00:34] ? [00:44] sectech: sorry for my delay, an ati 350 [00:46] mrooney, On a fresh boot does your login screen come up okay? [00:47] sectech: yeah, indeed, just fine [00:49] I'm sorry but I don't have a lot of time this evening, but you might want to check to see if gdm is crashing... maybe try and run a backtrace on that to see if it comes up with anything... That's where I would start if I was having that problem [00:50] okay thanks === secretlondo is now known as secretlondon [02:36] bdmurray: would it be wise to add links to BugSquad/KnowledgeBase under the Bug Tools section to the greasemonkey scripts (the karma, add tag, and responses which are in bzr and the latest one you posted to the list)? [02:59] there are greasemonkey scripts for launchpad? [02:59] for ubuntu? [02:59] yep, brian just emailed out one he made to the bugsquad mailing list === boomer` is now known as boomer === Igorot_ is now known as Igorot === bdmurray changed the topic of #ubuntu-bugs to: Ubuntu BugSquad | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad | Documentation: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | If you have been triaging bugs for a while, please apply to https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bugcontrol/ - http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad === doko_ is now known as doko [07:03] hi, I can't explain this problem properly, i have compiz enabled, and sometimes when i click the upper right button to maximize a window, it doesn't resize the window properly and the window stays the same [07:04] is this problem known? here's a screenshot: http://img238.imageshack.us/my.php?image=noresizemaximizedwindowgh5.png [08:49] helo [08:49] i need some help [08:55] kijoko: what kind of help? [08:55] hardy installed on may laptop [08:56] You probably want to go to #ubuntu [08:56] but i can't resume ( wake ) from suspend/hibernate [08:56] no respon from #ubuntu [08:58] this really isn't the right channel, you want to be in #ubuntu, but try https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspend and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3066404 [09:31] do you think bug #227644 related to compiz or metacity? [09:31] Launchpad bug 227644 in ubuntu "window not properly maximized" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/227644 [09:31] *is related [09:40] savvas: can you reproduce the issue with metacity? [09:42] hm.. [09:42] it doesn't happen always i'm afraid [09:42] let me disable it and try again [09:44] Hewus: i don't think so, in compiz after the 5th or 6th retry I got it happening [09:45] 'ere we go.. most probably compiz related [09:46] savvas: if it only occurs with compiz, then mark it as compiz :-) [09:47] well that was easy, thanks :P === ogra_ is now known as ogra [09:48] savvas: no worries :-) [09:52] hi [09:52] hi [09:54] I can't seem to work out how to read bug reports .. e.g. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24/+bug/165093 has two "Affects" lines marked as Invalid [09:54] Launchpad bug 165093 in xorg-server "Xorg crashes with /usr/bin/X(FontFileCompleteXLFD+0x1e1)" [Unknown,Confirmed] [09:54] what does this mean? [09:54] lesshaste, it might have affected two different packages [09:55] lesshaste, for example firefox is different from firefox-3.0 [09:56] lesshaste, it looks like you can remove the 'Ubuntu' and 'linux-restricted..' [09:59] lesshaste, err.. i meant the two is not related to the bug and hence marked invalid [10:00] techno_freak: ok that's odd === asac_ is now known as asac [10:01] lesshaste, the orig. reporter might have added all the 3 because he wasn't sure, 'Ubuntu' is the default option [10:02] techno_freak: ok.. I assume it's a driver problem so restricted-drivers looks correct [10:04] but what do I know :) [10:04] lesshaste, if you want to make it restricted-drivers bug then you have to reason out, afaics people have dealt with it as a Xorg bug [10:05] techno_freak: ok.. I'll leave it to the experts.. .it is a bit sad to have an X crash bug at this point. I am not sure I have had one in the 15 years I have been using linux for :) [10:05] lesshaste, :) [10:05] techno_freak: by the way.. what is this channel for? :) [10:06] lesshaste, for the bug squad, to deal with bug triage. its more like a discussion channel for triagers [10:06] the triagers allocate bugs to people/teams? [10:07] lesshaste: no [10:07] my bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/224561 was supposedley allocated to the kernel team but I see no evidence of it on the bug (I tried to do it myself but didn't have permission) [10:07] Launchpad bug 224561 in linux "DVD drive errors in hardy" [Undecided,New] [10:07] norsetto: oh.. what do triagers do? [10:07] lesshaste, we help making the bug as informative as possible for the people to work on fixing it [10:08] techno_freak: cool [10:08] sounds like a really worthwhile job [10:08] :) [10:09] s/bug/bug report/ [10:09] techno_freak: well is there any more info needed for my bug above for example? :) [10:10] lesshaste, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage [10:11] techno_freak: so has 224561 actually been assigned to kernel? I seem to have problems reading the bug report metainformation [10:13] lesshaste, it is assigned to linux source package and handled by the ubuntu kernel team [10:13] ok.. sorry I will get used to how this works [10:13] I promise :) [10:13] Hardy is seriously buggy :) [10:14] eh [10:15] if there are no bugs, then there are really serious problems [10:18] techno_freak: :) there is quite a large margin between no bugs and too many bugs [10:18] I am sure it will all clear up slightly in the next month or so [10:18] lesshaste, i hardly encountered any bugs with hardy [10:19] techno_freak: ok.. on my system which is about 5 years old networking broke, X wouldn't start at all and the dvd drives spews errors on dmesg [10:19] :) [10:19] this was a simple upgrade from gutsy where everything worked perfectly [10:20] I could have waited a few months after hardy was released of course so I only have myself to blame :) [10:25] * ogra wonders why you have hda there at all [10:26] we dont have any ide naming in the distro by default anymore, update manager should have taken care for the transition to sdX [10:27] udev package? [10:27] lesshaste: apt-cache policy udev | grep Installed [10:28] lesshaste, do you have added anything to /etc/modules to forcefully load ide drivers ? [10:29] (or something else along these lines) [10:29] could an archive admin take care of bug #227225 ? [10:29] Launchpad bug 227225 in gutsy-backports "Please backport glest-data from Hardy" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/227225 [10:29] a package is not installable at the moment because of a partial backport [10:33] savvas: ? [10:33] ogra: was that for me? [10:33] lesshaste, thats why i prefixed it with your nick, yes :) [10:34] ogra: what was it in reply to ? :) [10:34] lesshaste, in reply to reading your bug report [10:34] ogra: the DVD drive problem? [10:34] ogra: I have more than one :) [10:34] i see ide in your dmseg, that shouldnt be there [10:34] libata is used in hardy that remaps drives to scsi devices [10:35] ogra: aha.. http://pastebin.com/f740c0c48 is /etc//modules [10:35] thats why i asked if you have added any ide drivers to something like /etc/modules [10:39] sorry ogra .. hard freeze so had to reboot :) [10:40] did you see anything in my /etc/modules file? [10:42] only the lm sensors stuff [10:42] a default one looks the same otherwise [10:42] right [10:43] but the hda and ide in your dmesg defiately looks wrong [10:43] err, wait [10:44] ogra: I have the full dmesg from the 2.6.22 boot if that helps [10:44] where there are no errors [10:44] could be that i2c-piix4 pulls in the wrong stuff [10:44] (except for fglrx but that is a different story) [10:45] hello bugsquad! [10:45] can you comment the lm-sensors part in there, run: sudo update-initramfs -u and try a reboot ? [10:45] (especialy i2c-piix4) [10:46] rebooting [10:48] need someone to test the following: 1) open a terminal and run this: /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd -r 2) open another terminal and do this: nautilus ftp://viper.sh3lls.net 3) if you get an error without a login prompt, post to http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=525283 with the output from gvfsd and the error [10:48] Gnome bug 525283 in ftp backend "gvfs ftp error "invalid reply" without login prompt" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [10:48] ogra: still get loads of [ 103.668329] hda: status error: error=0x00 { } [10:48] [ 103.668330] ide: failed opcode was: unknown [10:49] do you want to see dmesg? [10:49] did you cemmoent everything below line 11 in http://pastebin.com/f740c0c48 ? [10:50] http://pastebin.com/fcec1a27 [10:50] hmm [10:50] hats not it then [10:50] *thats [10:50] http://pastebin.com/f24d63784 <-- dmesg [10:50] in any case you need to get rid of hda [10:51] hwo do I do that? :) [10:52] ask in #ubuntu-kernel i think [10:52] to be clear.. what should the dvd drive be if not hda? [10:52] if the drive was recognized by libata and then a ide module is loaded you may have driver clashes that result in such error [10:52] scdX or so [10:53] we have no hdX naming anymore in hardy [10:53] aha [10:53] I see [10:53] and the device name indicates ts using a wrong driver here [10:53] i migh be wrong but i think thats one of your probs, the kernel guys can confirm or decline [10:55] ok I asked in #ubuntu-kernel [10:55] although it doesn't look like anyone is in [10:55] thanks [10:55] although the X crashes are much more annoying :) [10:56] lesshaste can i see your udev version? apt-cache policy udev | grep Installed [10:56] Installed: 117-8 [10:57] hm [10:58] dir /dev/h* [10:58] lesshaste: dir /dev/h* [10:58] /dev/hda /dev/hidraw0 /dev/hpet [11:00] might a rules.d problem? [11:01] probably [11:01] lets see what -kernel replies, many of them are in the US [11:01] so will get up later [11:02] ogra: did you say nothing should be called /dev/hdX in hardy? [11:03] there are plenty of hdX lines in rules.d [11:04] well we can fix it by recreating the files [11:04] but the bug will be broken i guess [11:05] lesshaste: zip -r $HOME/Desktop/etc_udev_rules.d.zip /etc/udev/rules.d/ [11:07] ok [11:07] lesshaste, btw, which kernel version are you running ? -16 or -17 ? [11:08] 2.6.24-16 [11:08] I didn't know -17 was out [11:09] lesshaste: after that: sudo rm -rf /etc/udev/rules.d/*; sudo aptitude reinstall udev [11:09] its in hardy-proposed ... waiting for promotion to hardy-updates [11:09] oh ok [11:10] lesshaste: give it a reboot to use the new rules afterwards, let's see if that helps out [11:11] savvas: how do I create new rules? Doesn't zip -r $HOME/Desktop/etc_udev_rules.d.zip /etc/udev/rules.d/ just zip up the old ones? [11:11] 12:09:12 < savvas> lesshaste: after that: sudo rm -rf /etc/udev/rules.d/*; sudo aptitude reinstall udev [11:11] reinstalling udev should recreate them [11:11] oh I never saw that?! [11:12] ! [11:12] rebooting [11:12] ok :) [11:13] weird, ogra did you that command i gave previously? [11:13] did you see* :) [11:20] hm.. i wonder what happened to him [11:21] it took him 2 minutes before to reboot :\ [12:17] hi :) [12:17] that was an absolute catastrophe [12:17] savvas, are you still about? [12:19] or ogra ? [12:22] lesshaste: a bit busy but yeah [12:22] it didn't work? :\ [12:22] savvas, much much worse than that [12:22] savvas, the system wouldn't boot at all with the new rules.d [12:22] good we kept a back up then [12:23] savvas, well not really as I couldn't boot into linux at all [12:23] it's working again with the old rules? [12:23] ouch [12:23] not even with the live cd or the recovery option in grub? [12:23] savvas, I eventually booted into windows,mounted the linux partition and overwrote the old rules [12:23] not 2.6.22 will boot but 2.6.24 will not [12:24] hm.. better wait for -kernel as ogra proposed then [12:24] and I have no networking in 2.6.22 so I have had to find another computer to chat to you :) [12:24] i don't want to break anything else :) [12:24] well.. I would really like to boot 2.6.24 to get to where i was [12:24] it's really weird though, i used that here and it worked [12:24] it says it can't find the root file system [12:24] basically at the moment the computer is broken [12:24] either no networking or no booting [12:25] now 2.6.22 will boot I meant [12:25] if you could help me get back to square one that would be great [12:26] savvas, I looked and after doing the aptitude command I ended up with only two rules! [12:26] persistent-cd and persistent-net [12:27] hm.. [12:27] I need to work on this computer today so it's a problem :( [12:27] well i made the booboo, i guess i have to fix it [12:27] thanks [12:28] boot up from a live cd and connect to the internet [12:28] I have a live usb key [12:28] that would work i guess [12:28] can you remind me how to boot form usb? [12:28] from [12:28] it depends on your bios i'm afraid [12:29] you stick your usb in and press the Del key several times while booting up [12:29] you have to change the boot sequence [12:30] here you're on your own, i don't know every bios :) [12:30] you choose the usb as the first option, then save your changes and exit [12:31] lesshaste: still there? [12:31] yes but I am not sure I can do your first step [12:31] just trying 2.6.24 again [12:32] it says "Begin: Waiting for root file system" [12:32] before that [12:32] "Begin: Running /scripts/local-top" [12:32] and before that [12:32] "Begin: Mounting root files system...." [12:33] so it must just be looking in the wrong place I assume? [12:34] I can't see how to boot off the usb device sadly.. I tried "removable" as the first boot device with no luck [12:35] I can of course copy whatever is needed over on the usb device if that helps [12:37] lesshaste: don't you have an old ubuntu cd somewhere? [12:37] it doesn't have to be the newest release to do what we have to do [12:37] wireless won't work with an old version [12:38] but I am looking [12:38] lesshaste: you 're on a second pc there right? [12:38] yes [12:38] cool, you could pass on the commands without network then [12:38] ok [12:39] basicall, what we will do is to mount your root partition and unzip the old rules back to their place [12:39] I did that [12:39] that's how I have booted into 2.6.22 [12:39] but through windows you don't keep permissions [12:40] ok.. but I am in 2.6.22 now.. so I can do the command [12:40] i guess that broke off while you unzipped it [12:40] what would you like me to do? [12:40] broken pc 1 is in 2.6.22 [12:40] load the live cd environment normally [12:40] I don't have a live cd [12:40] why do I need one? [12:40] oh.. you don't :) [12:40] ok [12:41] so.. I am all yours :) [12:41] let me see, you booted to an older kernel right? [12:41] yes [12:41] I also don't understand why permissions will break 2.6.24 but not 2.6.22 [12:41] wanna try reinstall the kernel images first? [12:42] really? [12:42] why would that help? [12:42] it could set up the boot process to recognise the right device [12:42] ok [12:42] so what do I need to download? [12:43] sudo aptitude reinstall linux-image-2.6.24-16-generic [12:43] grr :) [12:43] you know I don't have a network connection on the broken pc [12:44] so I need to download it on the other one [12:44] i know :\ [12:44] and move it across on the usb stick [12:44] argh no then [12:44] get a working version first hen [12:44] *then [12:44] wait [12:45] er.. maybe you already have it downloaded [12:45] lesshaste: ls /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image* [12:46] I have [12:46] /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.24-16-generic_2.6.24-16.30_i386.deb ? [12:46] linux-image-2.6.24-16-generic_2.6.24-16/30_i386.deb [12:46] and [12:47] linux-image-generic_2.6.24.16.18_i386.deb [12:47] (excuse typos) [12:47] no probs [12:47] we could could try reinstall that [12:47] linux-image-2.6.24-16-generic_2.6.24-16.30_i386.deb [12:47] ok [12:47] how do I do that? [12:48] sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.24-16-generic_2.6.24-16.30_i386.deb [12:50] and you think that might fix something? [12:50] what else would the aptitude command you gave me have changed to break the system? [12:51] that, or this command: sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.24-16-generic [12:51] i must warn you i've never tried the latter one [12:51] :) [12:51] which one?! [12:51] while you installed with dpkg [12:51] did it say anything about reconfiguring grub? [12:52] yes [12:52] and no problems there? [12:53] do: cat /boot/grub/menu.lst | grep -i hd [12:53] ok so now 2.6.24 boots :) [12:54] cool [12:54] but networking is still broken [12:54] going to try to fix that now [12:54] you have a live environment too? [12:54] sorry, gnome* [12:55] lesshaste: this is still with the old rules right? [12:56] yes [12:56] the networking was killed by reinstalling the kernel probablu [12:56] just checking [12:57] you could try recompile the kernel-modules as well :) [12:57] i mean reinstall [12:57] man, it's my typo day today [12:58] where do I find them? [12:59] /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-16-generic_2.6.24-16.23_i386.deb [12:59] /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-16-generic_2.6.24.12-16.34_i386.deb [12:59] /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-restricted-modules-common_2.6.24.12-16.34_all.deb [12:59] you use sudo dpkg -i for each one [13:01] and give it a reboot again [13:02] btw, I can't tell you how sorry I am for breaking it up :( [13:03] there are three restricted modules packages [13:03] linux-restricted-modules-generic* ? [13:03] modules-common, modules and modules-generic [13:03] ignore that one, it's just a meta-package [13:03] a "shortcut" :) === jw2328_ is now known as james_w [13:04] thanks for the apologising [13:04] I should have known better than to follow instructions like that blindly [13:05] the good news is you found your way through.. and i have to stop suggesting stuff that could be dangerous [13:05] well.. when I have networking back I will be pleased :) [13:06] i hope we can fix that as well :) [13:06] it's quite odd that it's not working [13:06] still not working after a reboot? [13:06] the instructions I following originally are https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/34902/comments/177 [13:07] Launchpad bug 34902 in ubuntu "Ralink Wireless legacy drivers (rt2500 rt61 rt73 rt2570) USB/PCMCIA/PCI hangs PC" [High,Confirmed] [13:08] you can reinstall the headers too if you think that's appropriate [13:10] should be these two: /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-headers-2.6.24-16-generic_2.6.24-16.30_i386.iso /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-headers-2.6.24-16_2.6.24-16.30_all.deb [13:15] ok [13:15] the problem seems to be starting wireless.. wlan0 is there [13:15] but without an ip address [13:16] Hey pedro_! [13:16] hi Iulian [13:16] hmm.. what is wlan0:avahi?? [13:17] lesshaste: avahi is the avahi-daemon [13:17] but i'm no expert at that [13:17] what is that for? [13:18] This package contains the Avahi Daemon which represents your machine [13:18] on the network and allows other applications to publish and resolve [13:18] mDNS/DNS-SD records. [13:19] hmm :) [13:19] I just want my networking back! [13:19] waah! [13:21] savvas, any idea why this rules.d thing might have killed my networking? [13:21] lesshaste: wanna try unzip the rules again? [13:22] why would that help? [13:22] ls -l /etc/udev/rules.d/ [13:22] the files have -rw-r--r-- 1 root root ? [13:22] yep [13:24] I'm going to have to give up and go work somewhere else [13:24] hold a sec [13:24] try reinstall udev once more: sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_117-8_i386.deb [13:25] it won't touch the old rules, but might reconfigure the system to use them again (?) [13:25] (i'm speculating) [13:26] then reboot [13:29] wlan0 is up [13:29] it just doesn't have an ip adress [13:29] there must be some simple solution but I can't find it [13:29] and I have go get on with work [13:32] bye [13:33] he left? [13:33] darn [15:12] Boo [15:46] pedro_: Could you please translate bug 227549? [15:46] Launchpad bug 227549 in amsn "se reinicio al estar usando amsn" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/227549 [15:47] Iulian: sure, give me a min [15:52] Iulian: done [15:53] pedro_: Thanks [15:53] you're welcome [17:52] asac: the replytolist Thunderbird extension doesn't seem to work for me. I'm on Hardy, do you have any idea why? [17:54] asac: this page says TB needs a patch and that the Ubuntu maintainer applied it... do you know if it's still there? http://alumnit.ca/wiki/index.php?page=ReplyToListThunderbirdExtension#toc4 [17:54] hmm, looks like: [17:54] * debian/patches/reply-to-list-support: port reply-to-list-support to 2.0 [17:54] branch [17:56] why are people not using evolution which is the default mailer in ubuntu? [17:56] seb128: they prefer something else? [17:57] let's just drop thunderbird if evolution is the default mailer. duh.. [17:57] that doesn't reply to the question [17:57] very constructive guys [17:57] seb128: because I started using Thunderbird since I use Windows and haven't needed anything else yet ;) [17:58] seb128: so what you're *actually* asking is "How could Evolution be improved to draw more users to the default"? [17:58] seb128: i'm not using evolution because i don't want to. [17:58] well except a couple of extensions, and one of them doesn't work... [17:58] also, i'm using kubuntu and nobody should be forced to use kmail ;) [17:58] ccooke: the question is "what makes user switch to something else", or rather "what should we aim at fixing there" [17:59] ccooke: because if most user switch that's clearly that the default software has issues [17:59] seb128: also Evolution is more than a mail client AFAIK, isn't it? It would be like comparing Outlook with Outlook Express... [17:59] ccooke: and I would like to know which one so we can work on solving those [17:59] pochu: well, nobody force you to use the calendar, tasks, etc [17:59] that's right [18:00] seb128: I use Evolution - however, I can't use it at work. [18:00] I have never tried it TBH, I guess I'll look at it one day :) [18:00] seb128: Speaking for myself, I found evolution significantly slower than claws for my needs. [18:00] It doesn't work reliably with our Exchange server (I believe because of our use of Enterprise Vault, which is a third party tool) [18:03] ccooke: is there any linux software working correctly with your exchange server? [18:03] Firefox? :-) [18:04] I'm currently using OWA directly [18:04]