[00:00] <gnomefreak> ok this is gonna be a long night i think
[00:00]  * gnomefreak puts on helmet and joins -ops
[00:00] <fta> http://hourly-archive.localgho.st/linux.html is the hourly site i'm a<ware of, but not enough archives
[00:10] <[reed]> hmm, I thought I told cf he could increase the archives
[00:10] <[reed]> localgho.st is mine ;)
[00:11] <fta> i remember your name was mentioned but it's no longer there
[00:12] <asac> gnomefreak: troll-alert?
[00:12] <fta> [reed], how do I convert those dates into bonsai dates ? 2008-04-12-04 and 2008-04-13-04
[00:12] <gnomefreak> no a bunch of complaints agains ops
[00:13] <[reed]> fta: 2008-04-12 04:00
[00:14] <fta> oh, the timezone is the same then
[00:14] <[reed]> PST/PDT always
[00:21] <fta> hmmm, not sure. maybe one of mozilla bug 408096 428288 292789
[00:21] <fta> mozilla bug 428288
[00:21] <fta> mozilla bug 292789
[00:25] <fta> ok, it's the last one
[00:25] <fta> Security Error: Content at http://saiki.cocolog-nifty.com/shoka/2005/08/post_99f6.html may not load or link to chrome://rikaichan/skin/popup-blue.css.
[00:31] <fta> [reed], any magic to work around that ? ^^
[00:32] <[reed]> contentaccessible=yes
[00:32] <[reed]> I believe
[00:37] <fta> hm, where ? in chrome.manifest ?
[00:37] <asac> hmm ... accessing EXT3 from windows? reality or a tale?
[00:37] <asac> bug 220991
[00:38] <fta> http://www.diskinternals.com/linux-reader/
[00:39] <asac> i can't stop being really scared about users doing that to share a thunderbird profile
[00:39] <gnomefreak> its very unsafe but fairly easy to set up im told
[00:40] <fta> ntfs on linux is not better i guess
[00:40] <asac> yeah ... thats a quite bad combination:
[00:40] <asac> easy + unsafe ;)
[00:40] <asac> fta: agreed ... i don't want tbird profiles to be shared at a ll :/
[00:41] <asac> but otoh, i somehow believe more in ntfs support in linux than this thing for windows
[00:42] <fta> a sync tool would be nice. I'm still using mutt because i can access it from anywhere through ssh, and kill it remotely with a killall if i forgot to shut it before leaving. I never corrupted my spool in ~12/13 years
[00:43] <fta> so, where should i put this contentaccessible=yes ?
[00:47] <fta> ok, found it, works fine
[00:51] <fta> asac, does cvs works for you ?
[00:51] <asac> didnt try ;)
 gnomefreak, could you please try this: make -f /usr/share/mozilla-devscripts/firefox-3.0.mk get-orig-source DEBIAN_DATE=20080506t1400
[00:51] <asac> i am on hardy if that matters
[00:51] <asac> running  make -f client.mk checkout
[00:52] <asac> looks good so far
[00:52] <asac> i get a bunch of updates
[00:52] <gnomefreak> is it working?
[00:52] <asac> not yet finished, but so far looks good
[00:52]  * gnomefreak has low memory if i dont say good night it means it locked up and ill be back in morning
[00:52] <asac> actually it feels faster than ever ;)
[00:53] <asac> done ... mozillla tree updated
[00:53] <gnomefreak> here we go
[00:53] <gnomefreak> still writable segment
[00:53] <asac> intrepid issue i guess
[00:53] <asac> maybe rebuild cvs
[00:53] <asac> locally
[00:53] <gnomefreak> an i here
[00:54] <gnomefreak> ah
[00:54] <gnomefreak> slow as shit
[00:55] <fta_> sorry, router crashed
[00:55] <fta_> i stopped at <asac> i am on hardy if that matters
[00:55] <asac> fta: all worked fine for me ... faster than ever i said
[00:56] <asac> and the moz tree update was indeed really quick
[00:56] <asac> snappy
[00:56] <fta_> hm
[00:56] <asac> fta: i asked gnomefreak to rebuild cvs or depends
[00:56] <fta_> so it's an intrepid thing ?...
[00:56] <asac> yes
[01:01] <gnomefreak> asac: can you please post that command that fta did
[01:01] <gnomefreak> i locked up before i could copy it to a file
[01:01]  * gnomefreak testing on Hardy
[01:01] <fta_> make -f /usr/share/mozilla-devscripts/firefox-3.0.mk get-orig-source DEBIAN_DATE=20080506t1400
[01:02] <gnomefreak> thanks
[01:02] <gnomefreak> copying to file first
[01:05] <gnomefreak> my fucking show isnt on tonight :( damn elections
[01:06] <fta_> what show ?
[01:06] <gnomefreak> NCIS
[01:07] <gnomefreak> fta_: what version of cvs do you have on intrepid?
[01:07] <gnomefreak> cvs:
[01:07] <gnomefreak>   Installed: 1:1.12.13-9
[01:07] <gnomefreak> on Hardy
[01:07] <fta_> 1:1.12.13-10
[01:08] <gnomefreak> that one ubuntu change messed it up? i doubt its cvs issue
[01:08] <gnomefreak> maybe something in toolchain
[01:08] <fta> i've rebuilt it, same thing
[01:09] <gnomefreak> i guess make would be what cahnged to make it fail on intrepid
[01:09] <gnomefreak> what package since make isnt really a package but a command
[01:10] <gnomefreak> asac: was right this is fast and no lock ups not even really any lag but once
[01:10] <asac> zlib issue?
[01:11] <gnomefreak> not sure
[01:11] <gnomefreak> make is the only thing that would have changed from hardy to intrepid since its ina  package in toolchain
[01:15] <asac> anyway ... off <6h till meeting starts. great
[01:15] <gnomefreak> its done here
[01:15] <asac> night
[01:15] <gnomefreak> night asac
[01:15] <gnomefreak> wtf is platform team
[01:27] <gnomefreak> fta: is sunbird set up for nobinonly from devscripts as well?
[01:27] <fta> hm, i think so
[01:27] <gnomefreak> i didnt see it in the help or --help
[01:28] <fta> it's automagic
[01:28] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[01:40] <gnomefreak> fta: i saw you updated bzr does that mean your sending to PPA or should i build it
[01:41] <fta> i was planning to sync my ppa today for ebverything but i've stopped because of this cvs bug
[01:41] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[01:41] <fta> i can quickly do m-d
[01:41] <gnomefreak> if not i will build them in morning its not that big of a deal i just want to see tb3 update
[01:52] <fta> oh, my router didn't crash, it was a firmware update pushed by my isp
[01:54] <gnomefreak> lol
[01:54] <fta> strangely, i got a page in ff3 saying "don't power it down, don't reboot it, wait for it to back in 15min, etc.."
[01:54] <gnomefreak> damn
[01:54] <fta> no idea how it ended up there
[01:54] <gnomefreak> someone needs to fix blam :(
[01:54] <gnomefreak> maybe ill try that one
[02:00] <fta> pushing tb3
[02:01] <gnomefreak> fta: thanks
[02:01] <gnomefreak> im trying to find a way around this email+key+LP
[02:09] <fta> pushing sm2
[02:10] <gnomefreak> :)
[02:12] <fta> still no ETA for intrepid ppa :(
[02:12] <fta> maybe UDS
[02:12] <gnomefreak> pushing to hardy or just intrepid?
[02:13] <fta> both
[02:13] <gnomefreak> you have ppa for intrepid
[02:13] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[02:13] <fta> yes but it's not building
[02:16] <gnomefreak> ah
[02:18] <gnomefreak> if i add an email to my key can i than use that email to sign emails like for replying to bugs?
[02:23] <fta> http://www.spicebird.com/
[02:24] <fta> hm, yes, i think so
[02:32] <gnomefreak> fta: why is firefox lang packa nd xulrunner gb fr both not compatiable
[02:32] <gnomefreak> with latest ff3.0 prior to your push
[02:36] <gnomefreak> ah new version od devscripts too
[02:36] <fta> because the lang packs have a maxversion fixed to 3.0b5, and it's 3.0pre
[02:36] <gnomefreak> ah
[02:36] <gnomefreak> it shouldnt hurt anything anyway
[02:37] <fta> it does. some strings are not translated creating xul errors
[02:37] <fta> so you'd better not force those
[02:38] <fta> i don't really care myself, all my computers are in english
[02:41] <fta> too bad those langpacks are bundled with gnome ones, i can't easily push updates to my ppa (to match the apps)
[02:41] <gnomefreak> i have no intention of installing them atm
[02:41] <gnomefreak> fta: i hate the idea of them being bundled tbh
[02:41] <fta> me too
[02:44] <fta> http://www.spicebird.com/demos/spicebird.html
[02:51] <gnomefreak> i like the idea of spicebird sounds like seamonley a little unless they usse official tb braning
[02:59] <gnomefreak> ok that is frigging sweet
[03:01] <gnomefreak> ok time for bed night fta
[03:02] <fta> night
[03:22] <Sergeant_Pony> anyone awake?
[03:23] <Sergeant_Pony> I just sent an email and got an error... could not copy to sent folder, compact folders. I have 20 gig empty on my drive why would I have to do that?
[07:39] <victory747> asac, I tested your -proposed languague-pack
[07:39] <victory747> asac, language-pack-gnome-zh and it works fine as far as I can tell
[07:44] <asac> victory747: great. please comment on bug
[07:44] <asac> victory747: its bug 222673
[07:51] <victory747> asac, btw, what time zone are you in?
[07:52] <asac> @now Berlin
[07:52] <asac> victory747: ^^
[07:53] <victory747> ok - I had tested it this morning but was waiting until i thought you were up
[07:53] <asac> yeah. usually i am not up yet, but i had to attend the platform team meeting (see the time line above)
[07:54] <asac> i hope the time is still bearable for you now ;)
[07:55] <victory747> it's only 3PM - still at work :)
[07:56] <victory747> asac, ok, commented on your bug
[08:08] <asac> ok, IO bustage fix is now in hardy-updates
[08:08] <asac> bug 215728
[12:18] <gnomefreak> what the hell is the command to add emails to gpg keys? i tried gpg --edit-key <keyID>, i tried without <keyID> i also tried gpg adduid
[12:18] <gnomefreak> from man page the gog --edit-key <keyID> should havedone it
[12:19] <gnomefreak> also just tried with email instead of keyID still doesnt work
[12:19]  * gnomefreak wonders if it is intrepid breakage
[12:26] <gnomefreak> nvm i forgot adduid is after you get gpg prompt :(
[12:40] <gnomefreak> YES it worked :)
[12:42] <gnomefreak> asac: when you get a minute can you take a look at bug 227689 im thinking it s a feature but you would know a way to change the setting in ubufox as i have never had to do that and cant see anything that would effect it
[12:44] <gnomefreak> also where do i find the ummmm whats it called spelling help for Tbird 2.0.0.x
[12:46] <asac> gnomefreak: thats a question, not a bug
[12:46] <asac> you can make a question out of it
[12:46] <asac> and forget about it
[12:46] <gnomefreak> ill send him to answers.Lp.com
[12:46] <gnomefreak> or mailing list
[12:49] <gnomefreak> ok done now where do i find tbird spelling help dictionary type pack?
[12:55] <asac> spelling help?
[12:55] <asac> i think you want the hunspell dictionary
[12:59] <gnomefreak> asac: yeah thats it ill grab it i wasnt sure if it was packed into l-p-g
[13:01] <gnomefreak> asac: um that cant be good
[13:01] <gnomefreak> it wants to remove tbird-gnome-support along with thunderbird
[13:01] <gnomefreak> wtf is this?
[13:02] <gnomefreak> asac: http://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/1010451
[13:03] <gnomefreak> it seems its because of hunspell-en-us that causes that
[13:05] <asac> yes, bogus conflicts afaict
[13:06] <gnomefreak> but hunspell works :) thanks
[13:07] <asac> could you test it with thunderbird?
[13:07] <gnomefreak> test what? hunspell?
[13:08] <asac> with tbird yes
[13:08] <gnomefreak> it works i did test it :)
[13:09] <gnomefreak> my biggest fault is separate i spell it seperate and that is what i tested but it told me my last name was spelled wrong
[13:09] <gnomefreak> but i expect that
[13:13] <asac> hehe
[13:20] <asac> gnomefreak: didn't myspell-en-us work with thunderbird?
[13:21] <gnomefreak> asac: it removes thunderbird
[13:21] <gnomefreak> so i highly doubt it would work with it ;)
[13:21] <gnomefreak> http://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/1010451 is the result of trying to install it
[13:22]  * gnomefreak wonders why it has a conflict on most of those packages in the pastebin
[13:22] <gnomefreak> oh myspell
[13:22] <gnomefreak> i didnt try that
[13:23] <gnomefreak> lets see if it installs
[13:23] <gnomefreak> myspell-en-us is already the newest version.
[13:23] <gnomefreak> i will remove hunspell and see
[13:25] <gnomefreak> yes it does work
[13:25] <gnomefreak> hmmmm
[13:26] <gnomefreak> i never saw the spell checker in the tool bar
[13:55] <fta> ff3 now asks to accept the EULA license at startup
[13:55] <gnomefreak> it does?
[13:56] <gnomefreak> fta: i didnt see that in any of them
[13:56] <fta> yep, the new one i've pushed yesterday
[13:56] <gnomefreak> fta: no it doesnt maybe from fresh install?
[13:56] <gnomefreak> but upgrade didnt ask me that it just failed to find those 2 lang packs
[13:57] <fta> nope, i've upgraded my laptop, and bam, a new ui popped up
[13:57] <asac> fta: why? we don't distribute it under that eula
[13:57] <asac> at least thats my understanding
[13:57] <fta> i didn't change anything
[13:57]  * gnomefreak hasnt seen that from point releases
[13:58] <asac> hmm
[13:59] <gnomefreak> i dont think having that is a great idea as people are already and have been since early dev hardy are pissed off that ff3 is in main let alone installed by default. seeing the EULA lic. may provoke that even more :(
[13:59] <fta> it's possible to set a key to have that accepted by default
[13:59] <gnomefreak> sorry ff in main has been since debian went to ice* and we aggred to mozilla terms
[14:00] <fta> but it may be better to not build that
[14:01] <asac> maybe there is a configure switch?
[14:02] <gnomefreak> fta: you said you were getting weird output from gcc-4.3 while building something? someone mentioned 08:53 <       awalton__ > gnomefreak, -Wno-strict-aliasing was broken in gcc-4.3
[14:02] <gnomefreak> was that the issue?
[14:02] <fta> nope
[14:03] <asac> i think setting browser.EULA.override should be ok
[14:04] <fta> there's no knob in configure
[14:04] <asac> in our pref
[14:04] <asac> yes, that pref is the knob from what i see
[14:05] <fta> yep, i know, i've read the code yesterday when i've seen the commit
[14:05] <asac> we should punch a ubuntu.js into /usr/lib/firefox-3.0b5/defaults/preferences/ and ship that in debian/
[14:06] <gnomefreak> could that be because you have ubufox installed? since im hearing its not installed with ff but a recommends/suggestions
[14:06] <asac> gnomefreak: no
[14:06] <asac> unrelated
[14:06] <gnomefreak> oh ok
[14:07] <gnomefreak> its 0900 EST and im already thinking about jack and coke
[14:11] <fta> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/eula.png
[14:11] <fta> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/eula2.png
[14:12] <fta> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/eula3.png
[14:14] <asac> gnomefreak: what is jack?
[14:14] <asac> fta: you have a screen for the new cert exception page?
[14:16] <fta> the ui or the page ?
[14:17] <gnomefreak> asac: jack daniels its bourbon/whiskey
[14:17] <fta> at 9am ?
[14:17] <gnomefreak> but i have jim beam(same as jack daniels for most part) and pepsi
[14:17] <fta> waoo
[14:17] <gnomefreak> fta: i will only have 1 glass
[14:18] <asac> gnomefreak: think about your health :/
[14:18] <gnomefreak> asac: i do thats why i havent drank in 2 years
[14:18] <asac> good time to start now?
[14:18] <asac> cheers ;)
[14:18] <gnomefreak> i used to have 2 a night after work to unwind but had to stop per doctor
[14:20] <gnomefreak> asac: eh maybe not best time but i figure one wont kill me. doctors in usa say 1 glass of wine/beer/whiskey is healthy to prevent heat problems
[14:21] <gnomefreak> not sure where else they say that but they always change things every year one year its good next its very bad than its good again :(
[14:22] <gnomefreak> same goes for eggs, coffee, and a bunch of others
[14:25] <fta> asac, http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/bad_cert.png
[14:26] <fta> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/bad_cert2.png
[14:35] <fta> asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10730/
[14:40] <gnomefreak> that looks normal to me
[14:41] <fta> ?
[14:41] <gnomefreak> the cert invlaid
[14:41] <fta> yes
[14:41] <fta> only the icon changed recently
[14:42] <gnomefreak> ah
[14:43] <gnomefreak> isnt that what people have been complaining about in one of the bugs ive seeen atleast
[14:45] <asac> fta: ok if i post them to a -devel-discuss thread?
[14:45] <asac> (formally asking)
[14:46] <fta> it's volatile, no guaranty it remains there for long.
[14:46] <asac> i copied it :)
[14:47] <fta> ok then
[14:49] <fta> asac, you may refer to this: http://www.dria.org/wordpress/archives/2008/05/06/635/
[15:09] <gnomefreak> asac: was bug 67667 fixed? im going through bookmarks fro 2 exports and making one file out of them and some old bugs im running into
[15:36] <gnomefreak> asac: myspell-en-us doesnt seem to work right the more i use it i missspelled conveince the option it gives is convince the correct spelling is convenience. is there a way to train myspell or hunspell for that matter?
[15:36] <gnomefreak> im gonna chek with hunspell installed with myspell-en-us
[15:53] <gnomefreak> asac: ok it works great with hunspell isntalled with myspell-en-us so maybe we can use hunspell or hunspell-en-us as default and get rid of myspell since hunspell is smarter/has more definitions?
[15:56] <asac> gnomefreak: we should look into it for intrepid. sure
[15:56] <asac> actually i always thought that hunspell is default already
[15:56] <asac> but most likely that was  in debian and so i forgot ;)
[15:57] <gnomefreak> i thought we did that for gutsy
[15:57] <gnomefreak> i can swear we did but for some reason myspell-en-us is installed with tbird since i never installed it
[16:01] <fta> gnomefreak, apt-cache rdepends myspell-en-us
[16:02] <fta> going out for some fresh air, i'll try to make a preview of songbird later today, if in can figure out that: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10730/
[16:05] <gnomefreak> for tbird 1.5 we used depends on hunspell or beta 2.0 but we changed them i remember because we had an issue with hunspell versioning with debian or something like that
[16:06] <gnomefreak> fta: find out if it happens in hardy as well but it shouldnt since bzr versioning is same in hardy intrepid
[16:06] <gnomefreak> !info bzr-builddeb hardy
[16:07] <gnomefreak> yep same
[16:27] <asac> fta: most likely due to change gcc defaults
[16:28] <asac> fta: there were a bunch of defaults added (maybe only planned) ... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilerFlags
[16:29] <asac> fta: if you find the intruder, bug keescook in -devel about it
[16:29] <asac> i suspect:
[16:29] <asac> -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2
[16:29] <asac> First enabled in Ubuntu 8.10. Provides compile-time best-practices errors for certain libc functions, and provides run-time checks of buffer lengths and memory regions. Only activated when compiled with -O2 or higher. Most problems are related to common unsafe uses of certain libc functions.
[16:29] <asac> fta: ^^
[16:29] <Leftmost> I apologize if this is the wrong place for this, but is it possible to get Java 1.4 and xulrunner-1.9 to get along without breaking the software index? I have yet to have a crash problem and I absolutely need Java 1.4 and don't want to have an old, possibly insecure version of xulrunner installed.
[16:29] <asac> fta: you could also try to build with -Os
[16:30] <asac> not -O2 ... which is known to be better on decent archs
[16:30] <asac> Leftmost: java 1.4 is not buildable anymore. so i am sorry, but 1.4 is not available anymore
[16:30] <asac> you could try the latest from sun
[16:31] <asac> that might still work with xulrunner-1.9
[16:31] <asac> bug #205388
[16:31] <Leftmost> asac, I can install 1.4 just fine on my own. When I do so, however, Update Manager goes haywire and everything starts complaining about a broken package.
[16:32] <asac> Leftmost: you should uninstall the package
[16:32] <asac> whatever 1.4 package you had installed
[16:32] <Leftmost> I can't. I absolutely need it for work.
[16:33] <asac> Leftmost: uninstall the package + install java 1.4 from sun ... thats the only advise i can give you
[16:37] <Leftmost> I'm using a package built with java-package from the Sun package. Apparently this builds the package to provide j2re1.4. Is there no better way to manage the package conflict? I apologize if I'm beating a dead horse but I'd prefer not to have unmanaged packages floating around.
[16:38] <asac> Leftmost: java-package? does that still exist
[16:38] <asac> let me check
[16:40] <asac> ok
[16:42] <gnomefreak> we dropped 1.4 from repos
[16:42] <gnomefreak> afair
[16:42]  * gnomefreak thinks asac acked that one too
[16:43] <asac> yes the blackdown package
[16:43] <asac> Leftmost: can you paste apt-cache show PKGNAME of your produced package please
[16:43] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu.com
[16:47] <Leftmost> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10761/
[16:49] <asac> Leftmost: ok i can fix the java-package. but i have to go now, so it has to wait till tomorrow - or maybe in a few hours
[16:50] <Leftmost> asac, alright. Thank you for your help. Let me know if I can do anything.
[16:52] <asac> Leftmost: yeah ... stay in this channel ;) ill come back
[16:52] <Leftmost> Heheh. I'm here for another seven hours. No need to worry on that count.:)
[17:26] <fta> back
[17:27] <fta> asac, the thing is, i've already fixed 2 crashes in realpath.
[17:27] <fta> the code looks like:
[17:27] <fta> char exePath[MAXPATHLEN];
[17:27] <fta> realpath(argv0, exePath);
[17:27] <fta> MAXPATHLEN = 1024
[17:28] <fta> strlen(argv0) ~ 130
[17:28] <fta> yet, doing this fixed it:
[17:28] <fta> -  char exePath[MAXPATHLEN];
[17:28] <fta> +  char exePath[MAXPATHLEN * 10];
[17:42] <fta> mozilla bug 432492
[17:59] <fta> gnomefreak, found the cvs bug
[17:59] <fta> this was yesterday: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10623/
[18:00] <fta> this is noww ith a patched cvs: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10777/
[18:01] <fta> [reed], cvs has a corrupted file in mozilla/browser/themes/gnomestripe/browser/places/
[18:03] <campd> I don't suppose anybody happens to have a stack trace of the crash 432492 caused?
[18:04] <fta> bug 432492
[18:04] <campd> mozilla bug 432492
[18:05] <fta> i don't, sorry
[18:05] <campd> k
[18:41] <cdecarlo_> hello?
[18:45] <gnomefreak> fta: where was it?
[18:45] <gnomefreak> ah i see
[18:46] <gnomefreak> read what you wrote about it :)
[18:46] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: you around?
[18:46] <Jazzva> gnomefreak: Yep...
[18:46] <gnomefreak> asac: could use you as well
[18:46] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: what lic. are we looking for in extensions?
[18:46] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: i found one i would like to try
[18:47] <Jazzva> gnomefreak: Trilicense, mpl, gpl, lgpl, apache 2, bsd, mit are listed on Firefox3Extensions wiki...
[18:47] <gnomefreak> one of them is fine?
[18:48] <gnomefreak> or some combo?
[18:48] <Jazzva> One of them is just fine :)
[18:48] <gnomefreak> should be easy enough :)
[18:48] <Jazzva> Go for it ;)
[18:48] <gnomefreak> i hope this is easier than i think
[18:48] <Jazzva> And please add the extension info to the wiki page, if you already didn't ;)
[18:49] <gnomefreak> i will once i figure out what im doing :)
[18:50] <gnomefreak> i lost the frigging link and cant remember name of it damn
[18:50] <asac> fta: there?
[18:50] <asac> fta: i summoned you in #developers
[18:51] <gnomefreak> asac: are we carrying ff2 in intrepid seeing as i dont think intrepid will be released before EOS for ff2
[18:51] <asac> gnomefreak: for now we can keep it ... we will probably remove it before we release
[18:52] <gnomefreak> asac: ok
[18:59] <gnomefreak> unstable extensions are ok or no?
[19:01] <asac> gnomefreak: what are unstable extensions?
[19:02] <gnomefreak> asac: firegpg isnt stable yet
[19:02] <gnomefreak> http://getfiregpg.org/?page=install&lang=en
[19:02] <gnomefreak> i have xpi im about to unpack and make sure it fits everything
[19:02] <asac> if its useful and doesn't crash browser right away its ok for ubuntu
[19:03] <fta> asac, i don't have time right now. in a nutshell, prism build system requires full xul sources, so our sdk doesn't work. i've clone (extracted and patched) the build system from xul so sources are no longer needed and our sdk works
[19:03] <asac> we have some time to stabilize it if we package it early
[19:03] <gnomefreak> asac: ok ill start on it and see if i can do this
[19:03] <asac> fta: ok thanks ... ill forward that to plasticmillion ... and tell him to sync up with you in case he wants this
[19:04] <gnomefreak> thats strange they took a .xpi.gz and packed it inside the .xpi :(
[19:05] <gnomefreak> i lied they took .xpi packed it into a .xpi.gz and packed that into a .xpi
[19:09] <gnomefreak> that was my fault i unpacked it and repacked it :(
[19:12] <asac> gnomefreak: hehe :)
[19:12] <asac> you should unpack the .xpi before creating an upstream branch
[19:12] <asac> e.g. create upstream branch from unpacked xpi + unpack chrome .jar files
[19:12] <asac> then start packaging from there
[19:12] <gnomefreak> well it has everything so far i can tell
[19:12] <asac> like outlined in wiki
[19:13] <gnomefreak> i want to package it into a .deb or .xpi
[19:13] <asac> the idea is not to add a .xpi or .jar file to bzr ... only in extracted/source form
[19:13] <asac> gnomefreak: you want to package the upstream .xpi (unless they release sources) to produce the sources (orig.tar.gz) required to build our package (.deb)
[19:14] <gnomefreak> they have a source package
[19:14] <gnomefreak> this is gonna be a bitch :)
[19:14] <asac> gnomefreak: they have?
[19:14] <asac> then import that as a .upstream branch
[19:14] <gnomefreak> yes but i havent grabbed it
[19:14] <asac> and use the Packaging guide for firefox3extensions
[19:14] <gnomefreak> asac: i have to make a debian dir than
[19:14] <gnomefreak> im reading it
[19:15] <asac> gnomefreak: no ... first create .upstream branch ... then create a .ubuntu branch from that ... and create debian/ dir in there
[19:15] <asac> use the debian/ dir from XPI.TEMPLATE as a template
[19:15] <gnomefreak> ok
[19:15] <asac> if there are unclear points in the wiki let me know
[19:15] <gnomefreak> asac: ok
[19:15] <gnomefreak> i hope svn works on intrepid
[19:15] <asac> there are surely points that could be written more failsafe :)
[19:16] <asac> gnomefreak: you can also use bzr-svn :)
[19:16] <asac> gnomefreak: if they have an svn repo you could set up a project in launchpad and request an auto sync :)
[19:16] <gnomefreak> asac: how?
[19:16] <gnomefreak> auto sync sounds good
[19:16] <asac> gnomefreak: setup project -> create release series -> select svn as auto import branch
[19:16] <cwillu> is libflashsupport still known to be broken?
[19:16] <asac> cwillu: yes.
[19:16] <gnomefreak> cwillu: yes
[19:17] <asac> cwillu: unless you are on amd64 i wouldn't suggest to use it
[19:17] <cwillu> I'm being told that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio -> KnownIssues has a fix, there's a third party site with a modified libflashsupport that works or something
[19:17]  * asac looking
[19:18] <asac> cwillu: i think that 3rd party link is outdated
[19:18] <asac> probably superseeded by the comment before that "package available in hardy"
[19:18] <cwillu> which is what I thought
[19:18] <gnomefreak> register project or do it from bzr branch?
[19:19] <asac> gnomefreak: if you want an auto sync you need a project first: "firegpg" ... then you have to create a release series "e.g. trunk" and there you can ask for auto sync
[19:19] <asac> you will find it ;)
[19:20] <asac> otherwise ask on #launchpad ... i don't have the exact steps at hand
[19:20] <asac> gnomefreak: if possible set mozillateam as driver for that project
[19:20] <asac> thanks
[19:20] <Intangir> whats the deal with libflashsupport now?
[19:20] <asac> Intangir: it will crash your flash ... if you are not using amd64 this means that it will crash firefox
[19:21] <gnomefreak> oh yeah asac can we remove swfdec please?
[19:21] <asac> why?
[19:21] <asac> it works ... at least not considerably less than gnash
[19:21] <Intangir> how often does it usually crash
[19:21] <gnomefreak> its broken and no need for it any longer
[19:21] <Intangir> ive had it mostly work for me
[19:22] <gnomefreak> i ran into a bunch of bugs last week that was the cause but they were under flash or firefox*
[19:22] <gnomefreak> i cant remember
[19:23] <gnomefreak> right now as i remember that is causing flash not to work you have to remove it for flash to work
[19:23] <cwillu> Intangir, afaik, it'll only trigger when the flash loads, once a given flash applet is open it'll usually work fine
[19:23] <gnomefreak> not crashing just not working
[19:23] <Intangir> cwillu: so once you get it started succesfully its good
[19:23] <Intangir> ya that seems to be consistent with what ive seen
[19:24] <cwillu> Intangir, no, because when you go to a new page, it'll be a new applet, and potentially crash again
[19:24] <Intangir> the only crash ive had with it so far was when loading www.worldofwarcraft.com, which has flash (but i dont think it has any sound..)
[19:24] <Intangir> so what happens if you use that amd64 wrapper thing, if it crashes does the flash just not load?
[19:24] <Intangir> can you refresh to get it to load?
[19:24] <gnomefreak> brb smoke while i wait for #LP
[19:36] <gnomefreak> on the extension page repo colum means adding them to our repos?
[20:07] <gnomefreak> yay i got the extension page done finally
[20:10] <[reed]> fta: corrupted file?
[20:18] <gnomefreak> [reed]: i think our cvs package is where that is
[20:18] <[reed]> ah
[20:19] <gnomefreak> we couldnt use cvs to get 3.0 nightly on intrepid but hardy was fine
[20:19] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10777/
[20:19] <fta> [reed], ^^
[20:19] <fta> it makes cvs in intrepid crash badly
[20:19] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10623/
[20:23] <gnomefreak> docs suck for bzr-svn
[20:24] <gnomefreak> fta: command for bzr-svn would be bzr-svn co svn://svn.tuxfamily.org/svnroot/firegpg/firegpg??
[20:25] <fta> if it's just for co, just use svn directly
[20:26] <fta> you'd better use: bzr branch svn://svn.tuxfamily.org/svnroot/firegpg/firegpg firegpg
[20:26] <fta> so you obtain a bzr branch at the end
[20:27] <gnomefreak> ok thanks
[20:28] <asac> fta: i really think that its intrepid related. have you looked into zlib?
[20:28] <asac> maybe its one of the protection flags that causes this?
[20:29] <fta> i've fixed it by exporting CPPFLAGS=-U_FORTIFY_SOURCE
[20:29] <fta> yet, cvs complains about a bad date
[20:30] <gnomefreak> what no how to on making prefferences?
[20:30] <gnomefreak> oh wait i do that inside the .js file
[20:31] <fta> http://blog.vlad1.com/2008/05/06/well-isnt-that-qt/
[20:37] <fta> a future firefox kde friendly...
[20:38] <gnomefreak> asac: should i be registering a project like any other one we would?
[20:39] <fta> http://wiki.debian.org/Proposals/CopyrightFormat
[20:39] <gnomefreak> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/torbutton/ doesnt have a summary or anything else it asks for
[20:40] <asac> gnomefreak: yes.
[20:40] <gnomefreak> k
[20:40] <asac> gnomefreak: maybe use extensions-dev team as bug contact (not mozilla-bugs)
[20:40] <gnomefreak> yeah
[20:51] <gnomefreak> i hate this shit
[20:52] <gnomefreak> LP is lying to me
[20:52] <gnomefreak> how a damn site can lie is new
[20:53]  * gnomefreak smoke while waiting for #LP to answer
[20:59] <Leftmost> asac, would it be helpful if I hacked on the script and filed a bug?
[21:00] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: when registering a extension on LP what do you put for the "Part Of" sectiona nd how do you set up auto sync?
[21:01] <fta> mozilla bug 432275
[21:01] <gnomefreak> do i put the svn site starting with http:// in the download part?
[21:04] <asac> Leftmost: yes, you have to fix all install files in the java-common source package
[21:04] <asac> add /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/plugins/ as a new install dir
[21:05] <asac> java-package source package i mean
[21:06] <asac> gnomefreak: you have to add a release series (trunk)
[21:06] <Leftmost> Alright, can do.
[21:06] <asac> gnomefreak: there you can associate an upstream branch
[21:07] <gnomefreak> asac: cant register it so cant do much of anything
[21:07] <asac> cant register?
[21:07] <gnomefreak> no
[21:07] <asac> does it exist yet?
[21:07] <asac> firegpg?
[21:07] <gnomefreak> when search no during registering yes looking for bugs no
[21:07] <asac> or what was it called?
[21:08] <gnomefreak> firegpg FireGPG Firegpg noone of these show up
[21:08] <gnomefreak> im reg. under firegpg
[21:08] <asac> ok let me try to register ;)
[21:08] <asac> i use https://edge.launchpad.net/projects/+new
[21:08] <gnomefreak> yes that is where i was
[21:08] <asac> gnomefreak: what license?
[21:09] <asac> well we can set that later.
[21:09] <gnomefreak> gpl 3 gpl2 lgpl2.1
[21:09]  * asac hits submit
[21:09] <gnomefreak> oops
[21:09] <asac> gnomefreak: you choked on "Part Of" ?
[21:09] <asac> that can be left empty
[21:09] <gnomefreak> gpl2 lgpl2.1 and mpl
[21:09] <gnomefreak> asac: i left it empty
[21:10] <asac> firegpg is already used by another project
[21:10] <gnomefreak> thats what i got
[21:10] <gnomefreak> but searching for it gives nothing
[21:10] <asac> br0ken
[21:10] <gnomefreak> see my comments in #LP for exact wording
[21:11]  * gnomefreak was really hoping to get it registered tonight
[21:11] <gnomefreak> so i can file bug and start work tonight tomorrow morning
[21:13] <gnomefreak> i think they all quit work already
[21:13] <asac> unlikely .. there should  be someone in US
[21:14] <gnomefreak> being most are around the world there should be no non work hours as pretty much all timezones are acounted for :)
[21:14] <gnomefreak> its after 4pm here not sure what time quiting time is
[21:16] <gnomefreak> asac: project's is disabled
[21:16] <asac> huh? reason?
[21:16] <asac> who stated that?
[21:16] <gnomefreak> no reason kiko is registering it for me i think
[21:16] <gnomefreak> kiko did
[21:16] <asac> oh
[21:16] <asac> interesting
[21:16] <asac> appears to be official then
[21:16] <gnomefreak> your in there take a peek we wont hurt you :)
[21:17] <asac> i am in? interesting too ;)
[21:17] <gnomefreak> im having m-e-t own it
[21:21] <Leftmost> Hmm. Maybe I shouldn't try this particular one. Looking at the source, it looks like the Provides bit is done in a version-agnostic fashion. Without special-casing, it'll screw things up for non-1.4 releases.
[21:21] <asac> Leftmost: ?
[21:21] <asac> sorry ... don't get what you mean. (haven't looked at none 1.4 install files)
[21:22] <Leftmost> asac, looking at j2re.sh and j2sdk.sh in java-package's lib/ directory, they both have something like Provides: ... j2re${j2se_release}
[21:23] <Leftmost> It doesn't pay attention to version so without checking against $j2se_release and doing some special-casing, it doesn't look like a terribly easy task to prevent java-package from providing j2re1.4.
[21:23] <asac> Leftmost: thats ok. i don't think that you need to modify that ... or what do you see?
[21:23] <asac> thats ok == j2re.sh + j2sdk.sh
[21:24] <Leftmost> asac, it seems like the problem I'm having is related to make-jpkg telling 1.4.2 releases to provide j2re1.4, which then causes apt to treat everything as broken.
[21:24] <asac> what is your exact problem again?
[21:24] <gnomefreak> i think i should push first or add auto sync first
[21:24] <asac> i thought the issue is that xulrunner-1.9 doesn't detect the plugin
[21:24] <gnomefreak> https://help.launchpad.net/VcsImports
[21:24] <asac> Leftmost: whatelse is broken?
[21:24] <asac> gnomefreak: add auto sync
[21:25] <gnomefreak> k
[21:25] <asac> wait till the initial sync is done (might be a day)
[21:25] <asac> then package from there
[21:25] <asac> or create branches for release revisions
[21:26] <Leftmost> No, I don't need a browser plugin. I do, however, need to have the Sun 1.4 release installed for work purposes. Having both the latest xulrunner-1.9 and j2re1.4 installed (the latter provided by the package built by java-package) causes apt to claim the index is broken and provide me a nice broken icon in my notification area.
[21:26] <gnomefreak> asac: https://edge.launchpad.net/firegpg/trunk
[21:26] <asac> hmm
[21:26] <asac> ah.
[21:26] <asac> Leftmost: now we are getting somewhere ;)
[21:26] <asac> sorry for being so dense
[21:26] <Leftmost> No worries. Sorry if I didn't clearly communicate my problem.
[21:27] <asac> yeah ... well we are in mozilla context here, so i probably didn't want to see what you really wanted :)
[21:27] <asac> anyway ... you have to rename the package then, yes.
[21:28] <asac> we cannot drop the conflicts in xulrunner because the other j2re1.4 package was broken
[21:29] <asac> so lib/j2re.sh was probably the right place
[21:29] <asac> Leftmost: how about defining j2se_release as 1.4sun ?
[21:29] <asac> 1.4bin
[21:30] <[reed]> mozilla bug 418016 is getting backed out, asac and fta
[21:30] <gnomefreak> im gonna make m-e-d team security contact as well
[21:30] <[reed]> you all can go back to using your compile option that you had to use :)
[21:30] <[reed]> s/had to use/were using/
[21:30] <asac> thats a good thing ... now jemalloc just has to go completely and we are fine :-P
[21:30] <Leftmost> That could work. Is there somewhere I should ask about that? It'd be nice to see this fixed for others who are doing something similar (I've seen a few others).
[21:31] <asac> [reed]: glandium has a patch that links jemalloc into main binaries. if he hasn't submitted that maybe poke him to do that
[21:31] <[reed]> can you poke him? I don't have any IRC contact with him
[21:31] <asac> [reed]: is that wanted?
[21:32] <asac> i mean that approach. or are you happy as its now?
[21:32] <[reed]> [03:27:11PM] <stuart> we should require the linux vendors link their firefox-bin to jemalloc
[21:32] <asac> Leftmost: if you prepare a fix, i can sponsor it
[21:32] <[reed]> so, yes :)
[21:32] <asac> why does he say "linux vendors"?
[21:33] <[reed]> why? I dunno... he means ubuntu, debian, etc.
[21:33] <[reed]> redhat, etc.
[21:33] <[reed]> talk to him!
[21:33] <[reed]> #developers
[21:33] <[reed]> moznet
[21:33] <Leftmost> asac, I'll see what I can come up with. Thanks for your help.
[21:38] <gnomefreak> bug filed :)
[21:41] <asac> [reed]: ok i asked him to submit
[21:41] <asac> (through mail)
[21:46] <fta> asac, do you know what's going on with archive.u.com ?
[21:47] <asac> fta: not really
[21:47] <asac> feels a bit like overload ;)
[21:47] <fta> oh, you don't have internal tickets
[21:47] <asac> but i have not lurked any information
[21:48] <asac> well, i didn't really investigate
[21:48] <fta> it's worse than the day hardy was released
[21:48] <asac> yeah ... maybe there is hardware failure involved
[21:48] <gnomefreak> fta: the devs were talking about it this morning
[21:48] <asac> or server was upgraded and has now tuning issues
[21:48] <gnomefreak> archive admins/devs
[21:50] <fta> gnomefreak, and ?
[21:51] <gnomefreak> fta: they jsut stated that it was slow if they talked more i wasnt here to see it
[21:51] <fta> ok
[21:51] <gnomefreak> comment == letting you know they knew about i
[21:51] <gnomefreak> it
[21:55] <cwong1> asac: quick question, in java script is there an easy way to get a trace of who the caller of a function?
[21:56] <asac> yes
[21:56] <asac> but i have to remember ;)
[21:57] <cwong1> asac: I tracked down the urlbar problem to addProgressListener in tabbrowser.xml.  It only call once with midbrowser build but in Firefox build, its gets call twice.
[21:57] <JanC> did something change in the xulrunner updates I got today that can make firefox segfault on 64-bit?  (I already removed flash & libflashsupport and some extensions)
[21:58] <cwong1> asac: and in the second call to addProgressListener, it called the enterTabbedMode and urlbar update will happen.
[22:02] <asac> cwong1: Components.stack
[22:02] <asac> http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Components.stack
[22:02] <asac> http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Components_object#_stack
[22:02] <asac> http://www.mozilla.org/scriptable/javascript-stack-dumper.html
[22:04] <cwong1> asac: ok will give that a try.  If I can figure it why the second addProgressListener not getting call, I should be able to fix the urlbar issue.  One thing though, if I force the enterTabbedMode to be call, it seems to work fine. But I don't think that is the right fix.
[22:06] <asac> cwong1: do you know what progress listener is registering the second time?
[22:06] <asac> or is that what you want to figure?
[22:07] <cwong1> I want to figure it out what progress listener is registering the second time.
[22:08] <cwong1> asac: my guess is there is a progress listener is missing from the midbrowser build.
[22:11] <cwong1> asac: btw, if you have the time to take a quick look at this, I would appreciate it.  :)
[22:13] <fta> hm, i switched mirrors, it's still the same. looks like it's a dns issue. once the resolution is done, it's fast
[22:14] <fta> could be that the DNS server is broken or under a dDoS of some kind
[22:17] <asac> fta: de.archive. is fast
[22:18] <fta> indeed
[22:18] <fta> so it's not dns
[22:20] <asac> cwong1: where did i say is the location update pushed to the widget?
[22:22] <cwong1> asac: onLocationChange in tabbrowser.xml
[22:23] <asac> ok so that is called properly, right?
[22:23] <asac> cwong1: ?
[22:23] <asac> its just that one progress listener is missing there
[22:24] <cwong1> asac: the onLocationChange in tabbrowser.xml will only gets call if the enterTabbedMode has been called
[22:24] <cwong1> and yes only one progress listerner is missing
[22:24] <asac> sorry i think we mix things up here
[22:24] <asac> onLocationChange is only called when it works, right?
[22:24] <asac> thats what you say above
[22:25] <cwong1> yes if the one in tabbrowser.xml is called, things work
[22:28] <cwong1> asac: Looks like it has to do with the reporter.  The second call to addProgressListener is from reporterOverlay.js
[22:29] <cwong1> asac: do we do anything different with reporter between midbrowser and firefox builds?
[22:30] <asac> cwong1: setStripVisibilityTo is that called?
[22:30] <asac> i wonder if that throws an exception
[22:30] <asac> do we have menu_closeWindow and menu_close ?
[22:30] <cwong1> no
[22:31] <asac> sure?
[22:31] <cwong1> and I am not sure if setStripVisibiityTo is getting call
[22:31] <cwong1> yes
[22:31] <asac> cwong1: if we dont have those menu entries, then the first call to addProgresListener will throw an exception
[22:32] <asac> look at addProgressListener method in tabbrowser.xml
[22:32] <cwong1> ok
[22:32] <asac> that would call setStripVisibiityTo on first call
[22:32] <asac> that throws an exception and so everything can go wrong
[22:32] <asac> for instance setStripVisibiityTo calls enterTabbedMode too
[22:33] <cwong1> ok I will debug further
[22:33] <asac> but it might also be something after that call in the addProgressListener implementation that we are missing
[22:33] <asac> so fixing that exception would be required i guess
[22:33] <cwong1> ok
[22:39] <asac> cwong1: add those menu items as hidden to test?
[22:43] <gnomefreak> asac: what is the platform team?
[22:48] <asac> gnomefreak: platform team has multiple meanings it guess. one is the distro-sub-team that cares for the base software that powers all ubuntu's :)
[22:48] <gnomefreak> ah
[22:49] <asac> we also have a desktop team which is focussed mostly on desktop experience
[22:49] <asac> and a qa team ;)
[22:49] <asac> and dont forget the kernel team ;)
[22:54] <gnomefreak> there are a crap load of teams but never heard of platform one before
[22:55] <gnomefreak> sorry we are hainv a censorship talk because of the shit tha happened at meeting
[23:36] <gnomefreak> i didnt get any updates today at all only libxfont1 is trying to upgrade
[23:37] <fta> just got a few
[23:38] <gnomefreak> fta: did you fix cvs for repos or just for you?
[23:39] <gnomefreak> someone noticed that cvs update dont work
[23:39] <fta> just for me, ppa are not open for intrepid and i'm not allowed to upload in main/universe so i'm stuck
[23:40] <gnomefreak> asac can upload to main
[23:40] <fta> and it's a workaround, not a fix
[23:40] <gnomefreak> ah
[23:41] <gnomefreak> asac: are you gonna fix blam at all or should i look into it for personal use?
[23:41] <asac> gnomefreak: is blam broken?
[23:41] <gnomefreak> yes
[23:41] <asac> since when?
[23:42] <gnomefreak> the bottom pane if you dont have a topic the bottom pane is see through
[23:42] <gnomefreak> i noticed it the other day
[23:42] <asac> ah ok
[23:43] <gnomefreak> like where the tbird homepage is that pane is see through showing desktop while not being on a topic
[23:43] <gnomefreak> maybe add the blam homepage or something like that is what i was thinking
[23:43] <asac> does upstream have a bugtracker
[23:44] <asac> imo we should try to forward such thins upstream to not suck up our scarce resources :)
[23:44] <asac> some upstreams are really responsive ... so its at least worth a try
[23:44] <gnomefreak> asac: i will look. are we adding that to repos or is it staying in PPA?
[23:45] <asac> he? blam? isnt that in the archive?
[23:45] <gnomefreak> yes i just noticed
[23:45] <asac> k
[23:46] <gnomefreak> in hardy it was your PPA i think that had the issue
[23:46] <gnomefreak> yep its broke in archives
[23:47] <gnomefreak> son of a bitch
[23:47] <gnomefreak> it just left
[23:48] <gnomefreak> i think xulrunner
[23:48] <gnomefreak> :(
[23:48] <gnomefreak> ill file local bug on this with stacktrace that it gives me from term.
[23:53] <asac> ok off for today
[23:53] <asac> cu tomorrow
[23:53] <gnomefreak> there is no project for blam
[23:54] <JanC> if you mean blam in ubuntu, then project = ubuntu
[23:54] <gnomefreak> trying it
[23:55] <JanC> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/blam
[23:55] <gnomefreak> i found it thanks JanC
[23:56] <gnomefreak> it looks like xulrunner and other people say same thing from what i can tell
[23:56] <gnomefreak> bug 94493
[23:56] <gnomefreak> blam.exe?
[23:57] <JanC> it's Mono code  ;)
[23:57] <JanC> but I wish I found the reason why firefox crashes since the xulrunner upgrade today
[23:58] <gnomefreak> JanC: it does?
[23:58] <gnomefreak> i havent seen a ff crash im not in hardy atm either
[23:58] <JanC> at least on my system (which is 64-bits) -- seems like installing _any_ extension triggers this  :-(
[23:58] <gnomefreak> JanC: try with a new profile