[00:00] <andguen2> this is all from XP pro
[00:00] <andguen2> (work computer)
[00:00] <owh> andguen2: Hmm, looking like it might be more my "testing" tools.
[00:00] <owh> I'll reboot and have a look-see. Thanks again.
[00:00] <owh> BRB
[00:00] <andguen2> rebooting my router while we are at it..
[00:00]  * andguen2 crosses fingers..
[00:03] <jay2> hope it works out
[00:04]  * flyback notes all of freenode is apprentely too stupid to realize he was making a jab at robert downy jr's cocaine habit
[00:04]  * flyback YOU ARE ALL STUPID CANUCKS
[00:05] <hads> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct
[00:05] <jay2> hmmm forgot to laugh there flyback :(
[00:06] <jay2> stupid canucks was not nice at all
[00:07]  * jay2 oh I am so confused currently
[00:41] <hotmonkeyluv> does ubuntu server 8.04 have scsi support?
[00:42] <Nafallo> of course
[00:43] <hotmonkeyluv> is there an compatibility list somewheres?
[00:48]  * flyback bites bitmouse
[00:48] <flyback> CANUCK
[00:48] <flyback> CANUCK
[00:49] <bitmouse> hello
[00:49] <bitmouse> is there a channel for discussions on minimal ubuntu installations?
[00:50] <flyback> mabye embedded ubuntu or something
[00:50] <flyback> ubuntu might not be the best for that
[00:51] <hotmonkeyluv> is 9GB enough to install Ubuntu server?
[00:51] <hotmonkeyluv> I plan on adding about 6gigs worth of programs and random junk to it.
[00:52] <hotmonkeyluv> so, 3 gigs esentially
[00:52] <hotmonkeyluv> probobly not enough...
[00:52] <ogra> you should be fine with less than 2G for the install
[00:52] <ogra> an ubuntu desktop install is usually a lot bigger and takes about 3.5G
[00:52] <bitmouse> well my question is xfe + avman or thunar?
[00:53] <hotmonkeyluv> ogra: thanks
[00:53] <hads> bitmouse: Server or desktop?
[00:53] <ogra> so i guess assuming 2G (even i suspect thats till way to high) is a good bet
[00:54] <hotmonkeyluv> ogra: does that inclued lots of programming languages, database thingies, etc?
[00:54] <bitmouse> desktop, hads
[00:55] <hads> bitmouse: You're in the wrong channel then, a server install will fly into 2GB, for desktop stuff you'll want #ubuntu or something.
[00:57] <ogra> hotmonkeyluv, no, but a commandline install is done in less than 800M so adding some server processes wont really extend that much
[00:57] <hotmonkeyluv> ogra: ok, thanks!
[00:59] <hotmonkeyluv> ogra: what does the "bootable" flag do?
[00:59] <hads> Not a lot :)
[01:00] <hotmonkeyluv> as in, nothing, or not much, b/c there is a big difference!
[01:00] <hotmonkeyluv> lol
[01:00] <hotmonkeyluv> "how much will this hurt?"   "not much".... "OW!"
[01:01] <hotmonkeyluv> I have windows installed on this partition, and I need to know if I should have the bootable flag set or not
[01:01] <hads> I know not of Windows.
[01:02] <hotmonkeyluv> lucky....
[01:02] <owh> So much for "R" in BRB.
[01:03] <sommer> hey owh
[01:03] <owh> Hi sommer.
[01:03]  * owh has been pulling out hairs of late.
[01:03] <sommer> heh, such is life
[01:06] <owh> sommer: Just out of interest, what do you see when you visit: http://tracking.landwide.com.au/chris.bray/
[01:07] <sommer> whoa, australia is a whole other continent?
[01:07] <hads> Australia :)
[01:07] <owh> Does it have a map type selector in the top right?
[01:07] <hads> sommer: Australasia is the continent :)
[01:08] <owh> Above the Landwide logo?
[01:08] <sommer> owh: yeppers
[01:08] <hads> owh: Yeah
[01:08] <owh> What about an overview map in the bottom right?
[01:08] <hads> Yup
[01:08] <sommer> yep, I concur
[01:09] <owh> Riddle me this then. If I do that on my Galeon or FF browsers I get a javascript error and don't see either of those. On a Hardy LiveCD I don't either and in FF, I only see a skinny map.
[01:10] <Deeps> delete your profile and start again
[01:10] <sommer> owh: weird... I'm using ff3 on hardy
[01:10] <owh> Deeps: Well, I started with a new profile, but that made no difference. Lemmie try that again.
[01:10] <Deeps> oh, ok
[01:11] <hads> owh: Works here in both Konqueror and FF 3b
[01:11] <owh> Well at least it works, I suppose that's something.
[01:12] <owh> Now wouldn't it be great if it worked for the developer who made it also :)
[01:12] <owh> On the LiveCD boot, running off a VM, it also doesn't work.
[01:13] <owh> I wonder if there is a borked proxy server in between me and the world.
[01:13] <owh> Don't suppose there's any bright ideas on how I might detect that?
[01:14]  * owh wanders off to reboot the satellite modem.
[01:15] <sommer> owh: I've used the firebug ff2 extension to troubleshoot websites, maybe that'll help track down the issue
[01:15] <sommer> owh: you can look at the http communitcations with it
[01:18] <owh> Well, at least it's consistent :-(
[02:11] <owh> If I lock an account using passwd -l {username}, can I still connect using ssh and an authorized_key?
[02:12] <sommer> owh: I think so... at leat I seem to remember someone recommending moving/removing ssh-keys
[02:12] <sommer> owh: I guess it'd be easy to test :)
[02:12] <owh> sommer: I'm trying to figure out a way to test it without locking myself out :)
[02:13] <sommer> owh: heheh... I'd create a test user
[02:13] <sommer> owh: then you can remove/setup without losing your normal account
[02:14] <sommer> owh: I'd create the same user on the client and server... just to mirror real life
[02:14] <owh> sommer: Yeah, that was where I was heading also. Then I wondered if the test account would barf if I needed sudo on it with a locked password. I'm thinking that given it says:"password changed", that's going to kill it.
[02:16] <sommer> owh: I'd imagine... I usually rename the home directories to username.del whenver users leave, which disables the .ssh dir and if they're locked it should be access denied all around
[02:17] <simonp> anyone have suggestion for mailman alternatives?
[02:17] <owh> sommer: What I was wanting is a machine where I could only login with an ssh key, but if I lock the password, then sudo will likely bork, and I wanted to avoid a password login.
[02:18] <owh> sommer: So I'm not removing access for a departed user, if you know what I mean.
[02:19] <sommer> owh: oooohhh, I'm with ya.  I think you're right locking the password will kill sudo access
[02:19] <owh> I suppose I could change the ssh config to refuse anything but keyed access.
[02:19] <sommer> seems like there's a way to do that, pam module maybe?
[02:20] <owh> I'll look into it once I've got this weird stylesheet/script/browser/hair pulling thing sorted out :-|
[02:21] <ocyrus_> Is it easy to get xwindows onto the ubuntu server?
[02:22] <sommer> ocyrus_: !servergui
[02:23] <sommer> !servergui
[02:23] <sommer> heh, the wiki link should get you going
[02:23] <ocyrus_> thanks
[02:23] <sommer> np
[02:59] <newz2000> hi, I'm having problems installing server, it's refusing to install grub because of some problem with updates (though this is an initial install in a clean kvm)
[02:59] <newz2000> here's two screenshots showing the errors: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mnuzum/tmp/server/
[03:00] <newz2000> anyone know how to work around this?
[03:00] <sommer> newz2000: there was a bug with grub and kvm, I thought it was solved... but a work around is to use lilo
[03:01] <newz2000> sommer: ok, thanks
[03:03] <newz2000> worked perfectly, though I haven't used lilo in many years. I hope it doesn't need anything special.
[03:04] <sommer> cool, should be basically the same... you can probably install grub later
[03:10] <newz2000> ok, maybe this is the wrong place to ask, but I'm trying to get kvm working to host a test server... but my kvm instances gets an IP address of 10.0.2.15... I'm not sure what IP address I can use to ssh into it
[03:10] <newz2000> anyone have any suggestions? (even for where I can get more information)
[03:11] <ScottK> IIRC that's not a public address.  Your kvm is NAT'ed on the host.  From the host you may be able to use that IP, it may not be reachable.  Dunno.
[03:12] <newz2000> it's not
[03:12] <newz2000> is there a way for my kvm machine to get an IP address on the same lan that my wifi card gets one on?
[03:12] <sommer> newz2000: I usually bridge the physical interface to allow for ssh.  the serverguide has instructions: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/libvirt.html
[03:13] <newz2000> sommer: bridging sounds like what I want... out of curiosity, have you used that with a wifi card? I'm curious if it works as well.
[03:14] <sommer> newz2000: heh, I tried once a while back and if I remember right it didn't work as well as planned
[03:14] <sommer> I do believe you can bridge a wireless nic though
[03:14] <sommer> it'll just be slightly more complicated :)
[03:14] <newz2000> I tried with vmware server and had some problem, but its been a while so don't remember what
[03:14] <sommer> or it may need a different kernel module
[03:15] <sommer> the other option is to setup a NAT to the vm... that's not covered in the serverguide, but the community wiki has instructions I believe
[03:17] <mrpoundsign> Allo allo :)
[03:18] <mrpoundsign> I am curious if there is an easy way to get the list of out-dated packages, and the changes in those packages, so that I can better determine which packages I want/need to update?
[03:18] <mrpoundsign> (of course, after an apt-get update)
[03:19] <sommer> apt-get upgrade -s, will print what the upgrade process will do without actually doing it
[03:27] <mrpoundsign> sommer: yes, however, I am looking for the list of changes, like release notes. (as with the desktop version, you can see the changes)
[03:28] <ScottK> mrpoundsign: apt-listchanges may be what you want.
[03:28] <mrpoundsign> ScottK: thanks, I will look into that. :)
[03:40] <mrpoundsign> ScottK: Do you know, offhand, how to get the list of packages from apt-get upgrade -s into a format readable by apt-listchanges --apt ? :)
[03:42] <ScottK> mrpoundsign: No.  Sorry.
[03:42] <mrpoundsign> Hmm, looks like apticron may be the answer :)
[03:42] <ScottK> mrpoundsign: If you're using the official Ubuntu repositories, the answer to which updates you want is virtually certainly all of them.
[03:43] <mrpoundsign> ScottK: Yeah, I am not that optimistic, yet.
[03:43] <mrpoundsign> ScottK: Especialy since there can be minor upgrades that cause havoc in a development environment. As innocent as they may seem to the package maintainer.
[03:44] <ScottK> mrpoundsign: For released versions of the distro, we are pretty careful.
[03:44] <ScottK> mrpoundsign: I think a better bet is to just run a test server and try it and see.
[03:44] <ScottK> mrpoundsign: If you ever get a regression you can then report it and hope to get it resolved.
[03:45] <ScottK> It'll probably take less time/effort/money to deal with than deciding on updates one by one.
[03:45] <mrpoundsign> ScottK: Totally understood. Doesn't mean that an update has not killed me before. I have been doing system administration for almost 15 years now. I have a test server, just want to get notifications when there are updates, and what they are, so I can run them through my own tests. :)
[03:45] <ScottK> After release it takes a lot more than a package maintainer thinks it's a good idea to get something changed.
[03:46] <ScottK> Sure.  I do too.  I just always update the test server first.
[03:46] <mrpoundsign> ScottK: Oh, I agree. I like staying up to date.
[03:47] <ScottK> Also, for non-security updates they go to the -proposed pocket for testing.  You can keep an eye on that and try stuff out.  If you find regressions, then it'll likely never get released (or fixed).
[03:47] <mrpoundsign> ScottK: Awesome. Also want to know the urgency of updates, such as being notified of security updates, etc, independantly.
[03:48] <mrpoundsign> independently, even
[03:57] <ScottK> When you run apt-get -s install you can see which updates come from the security pocket.
[05:56] <Cartucci> Anyone have apt-mirror working with hardy
[08:05] <mistiipu>  i just got a crossover connection for a pc (for internet sharing) got working. i just change the other pc by an other and it stoped working. it says a network cable is unpluged. why is that so?
[08:09] <jay2> hmm good question there mistiipu!!!!!
[08:10] <mistiipu> jay2 thx.
[08:11] <blue-frog> what is the network config of the new pc
[08:11] <jay2> I am not well experinced in that sort of situation at all :( unfortunatly
[08:11] <blue-frog> oh it's a windows
[08:12] <jay2> could be
[08:13] <blue-frog> mistiipu: so?
[08:16] <mistiipu> so what..
[08:17] <blue-frog> what is the network config of the new pc
[08:18] <mistiipu> 192.168.0.2 is its ip
[08:18] <mistiipu> 255.255.255.0
[08:18] <mistiipu> gw 192.168.0.1
[08:18] <mistiipu> dns 192.168.1.1
[08:18] <blue-frog> is it wndows or linux?
[08:18] <mistiipu> but that dont matter........ it was working for a pc before. with same settings. i changed the pc. and it stoped working............
[08:19] <mistiipu> the 2nd pc is windows
[08:19] <blue-frog> when was the last time you have seen this windows pc working on the lan?
[08:23] <saltedlight> hi. anyone can help me setup virtual hosts? i've searched on google, found some tutorials, tryed 'many' of them, but i just can't do it by myself...
[08:23] <mistiipu> how to clear arp. do i need that?
[08:24] <mistiipu> blue-frog just a minut ago
[08:25] <blue-frog> mistiipu: and the cable is carefully plugged into the windows pc?
[08:25] <mistiipu> ya
[08:26] <blue-frog> the machine you disconnected is also a windows?
[08:26] <blue-frog> well anyway, whatever it is..
[08:27] <blue-frog> sorry can't help you with windows mystery
[08:28] <jay2> and here I am an ops in #microsoft under undernet
[08:29]  * rgl waves
[08:30] <jay2> hi there rgl
[08:30] <mistiipu> what i think now  is that. my pc. server. has saved some settings related to the old pc. and when i try to connect the new pc with same wire but (new pc has different lan card) it dont allows it?
[08:31] <jay2> okay interesting hmm
[08:45] <kraut> moin
[08:52] <owh> sommer: Aaaaarg. The reason my web page was not working was AdBlock plus which "helpfully" blocked all of the items that had the word "tracking" in them :(
[09:04] <hads> owh: Heh, convinient.
[09:05] <owh> hads: I've been at it all day, and all of yesterday. So much for convenience :)
[09:05] <hads> I hate it when it's something silly like that.
[09:06] <owh> I knew it had to be, google wasn't helping, so it was obvious that it had something to do with me. I even went hunting through straces - joy.
[10:04] <r2358> hi there...
[10:04] <r2358> I have a problem with mysql installation on 8.04 server x64
[10:05] <r2358> the post-install configuration script returns an error
[10:05] <r2358> so the daemon doesn't start
[10:06] <r2358> tryed in another machine (with generic kernel) and it was ok
[10:06] <r2358> any clues?
[10:08] <faulkes-> you would have to post the error
[10:09] <r2358>  * Starting MySQL database server mysqld                                 [fail]
[10:09] <r2358> invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "start" failed.
[10:09] <r2358> dpkg: error processing mysql-server-5.0 (--configure):
[10:09] <r2358>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[10:09] <r2358> Errors were encountered while processing:
[10:09] <r2358>  mysql-server-5.0
[10:10] <faulkes-> check /var/log/mysql.log (I think) to see why it thinks mysqld failed to startup
[10:10] <r2358> ok...
[10:12] <r2358> nothing there, just a blank file
[10:12] <r2358> the same on mysql.err
[10:12] <r2358> seems it never even starts
[10:14] <r2358> maybe a dpkg problem?
[10:15] <faulkes-> possibly
[10:18] <_ruben> hmm .. mysql server installed/started just fine on my hardy jeos install yesterday (as part of an cacti install)
[10:21] <r2358> yes, and also on my laptop with x64
[10:22] <r2358> something weird...
[10:22] <r2358> i think I'll try to solve it with dpkg and if not reinstall
[10:23] <r2358> thanks guys...
[10:59] <jay2> cool _ruben
[11:25]  * Twigathy waves
[11:25] <Twigathy> I'm having trouble with cheap-and-cheerful sata_sii based SATA controllers and was wondering if anyone had suggestions for something also reasonably cheap which could be used in mdadm software raid
[11:26] <Twigathy> I have found this, but I don't know if it'll let me just see the disks as individual disks: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Adaptec-AAR-2610SA-64Mb-6port-SATA-RAID-Controller-NEW_W0QQitemZ250242239807QQihZ015QQcategoryZ96881QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting
[11:26] <hsn_> how to remove package if post remove script keeps failing?
[11:27] <hsn_> dpkg --purge --force all is not enough
[11:30] <hads> Depending on what the post-remove does and whether it's important you can exit the script.
[11:30] <hsn_> its not important
[11:31] <hsn_> should i edit script and add exit 0 to the top?
[11:31] <hads> If you're sure it's not or you can do what needs doing manually then yeah, that's what I'd do.
[11:32] <hsn_> its post rm script from db2exc package
[11:32] <hsn_> package is broken, i will install standard db2 version
[11:33] <hsn_> exit 0 worked fine.
[12:16] <egoleo> hello
[12:16] <egoleo> plse someone help me with how to install perl modules on ubuntu server 6.06
[12:40] <LMJ> hi
[12:42] <LMJ> I'm looking for advices : both my web email client & email desktop client support LDAP address book. Sound like I have to setup one. Anyone here already did that ? Some tips or links maybe ?
[12:43] <LMJ> maybe there is a simple way to get synchronised contact over the network
[12:49] <LMJ> sound like i'm going to the ldap way, nice tuts on interweb for my needs
[12:52] <egoleo> anyone help me with install perl modules plse
[12:54] <phil^> for most modules there are packages in the form of "lib<modulename>-perl"
[12:54] <phil^> like "libwww-perl" or "libxml-parser-perl"
[12:55] <phil^> imo you should try to avoid installation via cpan
[12:55] <egoleo> ok
[12:55] <egoleo> so i need for  Mail::POP3Client
[12:55] <egoleo> or how can i search for this modules in the ubuntu repository
[12:56] <phil^> mh a dirty way would be: apt-cache search perl | grep lib | grep mail
[12:56] <phil^> most probably you'll need "libmail-pop3client-perl - POP3 client module for perl"
[12:57] <egoleo> thnx
[13:01] <LMJ> egoleo : you can also try packages.ubuntu.com
[13:02] <egoleo> ok
[13:06] <egoleo> thnx
[13:08] <LMJ> http:// that is
[13:39] <dthacker> phil^: curious why you avoid CPAN?
[13:42] <Jeeves_> dthacker: Because it makes a mess of stuff? :)
[13:42] <phil^> sorry I did not mean cpan.org in general. I wanted to say that I don't like to install system-software unless it is a debian package (which is easy to upgrade/uninstall etc)
[13:43] <_ruben> LTS packages are supported, CPAN aint .. good enough i'd say
[13:43] <dthacker> Jeeves: I haven't had  that experience on other Linux's but havent installed much perl on Ubuntu
[13:43] <egoleo> yeah
[13:43] <egoleo> i have been trying to install perl modules whole day and seems not to work with cpan
[13:43] <egoleo> given some errors i dont even understand
[13:44] <dthacker> ok, thanks for the feedback.
[13:44] <egoleo> and given me something something imposible
[13:44] <egoleo> but if install with apt-get
[13:44] <egoleo> do i need to change my code or something?
[13:47] <phil^> the modules should get installed under "/usr/share/perl5/" and you'd just use it via "use NET::FTP" (for example)
[13:53] <mistiipu_> i made a pc share my internet connection by cross cable direct nic to nic connection. it worked. i changed the client pc and its lan card but with same cable and same settings. it was not working. i have checked cable and lan card. both are fine. i think there is some settings in the server (linux) that has been saved for that old pc. when i plug the new pc it says a network cable has ben unplugd?
[14:20] <egoleo> hello guys
[14:20] <egoleo> so is there no other way again to iinstall perl modules than cpan
[14:20] <egoleo> or how do i install and pull all dependencies
[14:21] <egoleo> bcos installing one by one is getting boring man
[14:21] <Jeeves_> egoleo: What do you need exactly?
[14:21] <egoleo>  IO::Uncompress::AnyUncompress qw(anyuncompress $AnyUncompressError);
[14:21] <egoleo> use Mail::POP3Client;
[14:21] <egoleo> use Email::MIME;
[14:21] <egoleo> use Email::MIME::Attachment::Stripper;
[14:21] <egoleo> use MIME::Parser;
[14:21] <egoleo> all that
[14:21] <egoleo> i was using this code on some machine
[14:22] <egoleo> and now i moved to ubuntu server
[14:22] <egoleo> and cpan not working
[14:22] <egoleo> i need to install that modules to work well
[14:22] <Jeeves_> cpan not working? :)
[14:22] <egoleo> yes
[14:22] <Jeeves_> That should work
[14:22] <egoleo> what should work
[14:22] <egoleo> cpan is not
[14:22] <Jeeves_> apt-cache search the modules
[14:22] <Jeeves_> And install them
[14:23] <egoleo> is not
[14:25] <egoleo>  Email::MIME::Attachment::Stripper
[14:25] <egoleo> this forinstance i cant find it using apt-cache
[14:31] <Jeeves_> egoleo: It's not in Ubuntu, it seems
[14:34] <egoleo> hmm
[14:34] <egoleo> so then how do i get this to work
[14:36] <Jeeves_> Fix cpan :)
[14:38] <egoleo> how?
[14:38] <\sh> egoleo, packaging those modules is an easy task
[14:38] <egoleo> and how plse
[14:38] <\sh> egoleo, file some wishlist bugs on LP for intrepid...
[14:38] <egoleo> any link to show me
[14:38] <egoleo> ok
[15:57] <ctx144k> hello all
[15:58] <ctx144k> anyone know how deaktivate udev for eth* devices?
[15:58] <ctx144k> i dont want a system that knows which mac-adress shouldby eth0 or eth1
[15:58] <ctx144k> shouldbe
[15:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> AFAIK, you cant
[16:00] <ivoks> i didn't understand the request
[16:00] <ivoks> you don't want system to connect mac address to interface name
[16:00] <ivoks> or you want to customize it?
[16:07] <ctx144k> i want a system that i can copy via dd - so if i copy a current system, after startup the system "knows" there is a new networking-.card with new mac-address. current card is eth0 - so it willbe create eth1
[16:08] <ctx144k> so i want deaktivate that "feature"...
[16:09]  * _ruben cant think of a situation where you'd really identical machines
[16:09] <_ruben> with regard to hostname etc
[16:09] <ivoks> ctx144k: you just need to edit one file
[16:09] <ctx144k> which file?
[16:09] <ivoks> ctx144k: /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[16:10] <ivoks> make it blank before creating the image
[16:10] <ivoks> then, on reboot it will autogenerate for every computer
[16:10] <ivoks> do that with /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules too
[16:11] <ivoks> we should have ACL by default :)
[16:11] <ctx144k> yes i know...  - but, i want it automaticly, so - anm easy way is it to rm that before starting networking
[16:12] <crevette> hello
[16:12] <crevette> it this chan is also for virtualization problem
[16:12] <ivoks> i'm not sure if rm would work
[16:12] <ivoks> ctx144k: cat /dev/zero >> $file should work
[16:12] <ctx144k> yes... thnx
[16:13] <ivoks> and... this has nothing to do with networking
[16:13] <ivoks> this happens at boot
[16:13] <crevette> it seems the kvm module is really unstable for m, I'm usig hardy
[16:13] <ivoks> so, if you empty it, on reboot it will generate it self again
[16:14] <crevette> rmmod'd the module make my machine stall
[16:14] <ivoks> so, dd image with those files empty, 'paste' the image on new computer and reboot
[16:14] <ivoks> crevette: laptop?
[16:14] <ivoks> or server
[16:14] <crevette> ivoks: a workstation, withcore  duo 6400
[16:15] <ivoks> i have exactly the same proc and works fin :)
[16:15] <ivoks> so, on rmmod kernel crashes or what?
[16:16] <crevette> I'm not sure I only tired once and my display was totally freezed, and I was unable to stop the system
[16:16] <crevette> tried
[16:16] <crevette> I had also the kvm module making the kernel crash at shutdown
[16:16] <crevette> it happen after I played with libvirt
[16:17] <ivoks> crevette: did you report it as a bug?
[16:17] <crevette> no, unfortunately
[16:17] <crevette> I didn't had enought information to proovide
[16:17] <ivoks> well, is it a problem if you crash that computer once more? :)
[16:17] <crevette> I can tried to rrmod kvm but I won't have any log
[16:18] <ivoks> wait a sec...
[16:18] <crevette> except if I setup a kernel crash server
[16:18] <crevette> :)
[16:18] <ivoks> move to console (ctrl+alt+f1), login and stop gdm
[16:18] <crevette> yeah yeah
[16:18] <ivoks> then try rmmoding kvm
[16:18] <crevette> it is not crash atm
[16:18] <crevette> yeah
[16:18] <crevette> let's try
[16:18] <ivoks> it worked?
[16:18] <crevette> If I don't reply, it's that crashed okay ?
[16:19] <crevette> :)
[16:19] <ivoks> oui :)
[16:19] <crevette> not crashed
[16:19] <ivoks> great...
[16:19] <crevette> perhaps it seems related to libvirt
[16:20] <ivoks> hard to tell without logs
[16:20] <crevette> yeah
[16:20] <crevette> anyway
[16:20] <crevette> I'll try to look further
[16:31] <zul> ivoks: around?
[16:31] <ivoks> zul: yes
[16:42] <ivoks> zul: but not for long :)
[16:44] <zul> ivoks: k when you are ready can you send me your patch and test case I have a patch for that other bug as well
[16:44] <ivoks> i've tested mysql part
[16:45] <ivoks> i'll do other right now, so we can finish that chapter
[16:45] <zul> ok thanks...
[16:53] <cyris|> I have windows xp vpn clients that have locally installed printers on them. Is it possible to have these printers managed by cups ? even tho they are not installed on the server itself ?
[16:56] <ivoks> sqlite and sqlite3 tested and working
[18:43] <kingvin> can someone help me to install VMware on ubuntu 8.04
[18:56] <kabendroth> where is the problem with VMWare and 8.04?
[19:13] <ogra> soren, are there any further plans for ebox inclusion ?
[19:26] <mathiaz> ogra: ebox is already in universe
[19:26] <mathiaz> ogra: are you asking if we plan to move it to main ?
[19:33] <_ruben> hehe .. installing kubuntu-desktop in hardy jeos .. ~650 pkgs to install :p
[19:42] <psufan> sorry guys
[19:42] <psufan> it's been fun
[19:42] <psufan> never again
[19:46] <melter> has anyone ever tried an OpenRC/Ubuntu merger?
[19:47]  * melter ducks
[19:48] <Goosemoose> ive been deploying ubuntu 7 for awhile using a tftp server. does anyone know of any docs on deploying ubuntu 8 the same way? i need to know whats changed with the preseed file. i'd also like the machines to automatically join a windows AD domain which I've heard is now possible
[19:48] <Goosemoose> anyone have any sample preseed files?
[19:53] <gladk> Hi all!
[19:54] <melter> hello
[19:54] <brewmaster_> is there any way to see / log the average load average over the course of, say, 1 day or x # of hours?
[19:55] <gladk> Is it neccessary to reinstall the system from Gutsy to Hardy if the system is up to date?
[20:20] <mistiipu> iam on a server that shares internet to 2 computers. i want to limit their bandwidth to 20k/s jointly pc1+pc2=20k/s and give them priority to my persoanal internet use on server.  secondly i dont want any of the two pcs suck all the bandwidth (by excesive downloading at a time or by torrents) and drain the others pcs band. (out of 20k/s). "i dont want any 3rd distro or another router. i use linux and want it to route".
[20:20] <mistiipu> i think i need the tc command? where to read about it. and what else i need? thirdly i want to moniter each pc what he is doing. sniff internet. keep detailed records. (if he does any illegal activity eg.) see gui graphic speed graphs. etc. any app or guidance please?
[20:21] <ivoks> ntop?
[20:22] <ivoks> for bandwith shapping, right, tc, for fancy graphs - ntop
[20:22] <ivoks> but i'm not sure ntop would catch illegal activities
[20:22] <ivoks> you would need to log all the traffic for that
[20:25] <psufan> I would rather use slackware
[20:25] <psufan> than ubuntu-server again
[20:25] <psufan> you fail
[20:26] <ivoks> than use slackware; where's the problem?
[20:27] <psufan> 2.6,15 has a nfs crash and burn bug
[20:27] <psufan> and you dipshits think it's not worth patching 6.06lts
[20:28] <psufan> then after I have to manually compile a kernel
[20:28] <psufan> your whatever non standard shit you are using breaks .23 and .24
[20:30] <ivoks> right... whatever man :)
[20:30] <psufan> whatever IT'S DOCUMENTED IN 2.6.15 CHANGELOG
[20:30] <psufan> K THX BYE
[20:30] <psufan> errr
[20:30] <psufan> .25
[20:30] <ivoks> th thing is...
[20:30] <ivoks> that you can't have whatever version of kernel with whatever verison of udev
[20:31] <psufan> so what am I supposted to do then
[20:31] <ivoks> so, backport a fix to 2.6.15 or wait for someone else to do it
[20:31] <psufan> I can't wait
[20:31] <ivoks> or upgrade to newer version of kernel and udev
[20:31] <psufan> this is the 10th freaking time this blade has burned
[20:31] <psufan> how do I update udev
[20:32] <ivoks> well, you could update 6.06 to 8.04
[20:32] <psufan> not possible
[20:32] <psufan> "we don't touch production blah blah"
[20:32] <psufan> i'd love to rip it out
[20:33] <psufan> how do I update udev
[20:33] <ivoks> but you do have a fix for 2.6.15?
[20:33] <psufan> no the fix is to move to .17 or newer
[20:34] <ivoks> ok, do you have any references to the bug?
[20:34] <ivoks> like commit or something
[20:34] <psufan> yes
[20:34] <ivoks> i've used nfs on more than 20 machines without the problem
[20:34] <ivoks> with 2.6.15
[20:35] <psufan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/58170
[20:35] <psufan> bbl
[20:35] <psufan> got a call
[20:37] <mathiaz> Goosemoose: re AD domain - you should try likewise-open - there is a domainjoin-cli command to help join a machine to a domain.
[20:38] <mathiaz> Goosemoose: you should try to use the preseed file from gutsy and see if they work for hardy - they should work - but some things have changed.
[20:39] <mathiaz> brewmaster_: try sar and custom script - if you want more complete coverate, have a look at munin
[20:39] <mathiaz> gladk: you can upgrade from gutsy to hardy - make sure that your gutsy system is up-to-date before upgrading to hardy.
[20:40] <gladk> mathiaz: I need to update all packages?
[20:42] <mathiaz> gladk: yes - you need to install all the gutsy updates before starting the upgrade to hardy
[20:42] <gladk> mathiaz: is it really neccessary to update to hardy if all packages are updated?
[20:43] <mathiaz> gladk: hardy is a new release - you don't have to update to hardy if you want to stick with gutsy
[20:43] <mathiaz> gladk: gutsy is still supported for 1 year IIRC
[20:44] <mathiaz> gladk: so you'll get security updates for gutsy as long as it's supported
[20:44] <mathiaz> gladk: and you install the updates
[20:44] <gladk> mathiaz: ok, thank you for response
[20:45] <gladk> mathiaz: will wait a little bit, maybe will upgrade to hardy soon
[20:45] <gladk> mathiaz: thanks
[20:53] <zul> mathiaz: for the testcase for the dovecot SRU I should be able to run the testscripts to reproduce it correct?
[20:54] <mathiaz> zul: yes - have a look at the scripts
[20:54] <zul> mathiaz: ok
[20:56] <Goosemoose> mathiaz, i was told that likewise-open was built into hardy, isn't that true?
[20:57] <mathiaz> Goosemoose: likewise-open is available in hardy
[20:57] <Goosemoose> ok, can i add the join command to the preseen?
[20:57] <Goosemoose> preseed?
[20:58] <mathiaz> Goosemoose: well - you'd have to specify the AD admininistrator password in the preseed file - so that wouldn't be a good idea
[20:59] <mathiaz> Goosemoose: I don't know you can script it though.
[20:59] <Goosemoose> hmm, i'd setup a separate account that could just join the domain
[20:59] <Goosemoose> i dont want to manually do it on 300 machiens
[21:09] <ivoks> psufan: cd /tmp ; wget http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8736376/linux-source-2.6.15_nfsv4client.patch ; sudo apt-get install git-core ; git clone git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-dapper.git ubuntu-dapper ; cd ubuntu-dapper ; patch -p1 -i ../linux-source-2.6.15_nfsv4client.patch ; sudo apt-get build-dep linux-image-`uname -r` ; sudo apt-get install fakeroot build-essential ; fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage # at this point, you might want to hit the be
[21:09] <J_P> hi all
[21:10] <sommer> ivoks: heheh... that's awesome
[21:10] <ivoks> sommer: :)
[21:10] <J_P> ﻿hey, anyone know if are there one tutorial for install plone 3 on 8.04, because in 8.04 default is the old plone 2.5 :-(
[21:10] <ivoks> J_P: i'll have a production system very soon with plone
[21:10] <mathiaz> Goosemoose: it should work - domainjoin-cli accepts the username and the password on the command line
[21:11] <Goosemoose> ok
[21:11] <mathiaz> Goosemoose: so you should be able to script domain joining using the late_command option in preseed
[21:11] <ivoks> J_P: so, if you have a month of free time, you could wait until i sort everything out
[21:11] <mathiaz> Goosemoose: but be aware of the security implication
[21:11] <Goosemoose> sure
[21:12] <Goosemoose> matiaz, have you seen an updated preseed? i've always had a few quirks with my current one
[21:15] <mathiaz> Goosemoose: the alternate installation guide has a sample that should be up-to-date
[21:15] <mathiaz> Goosemoose: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/installation-guide/
[21:15] <_ruben> ivoks: nice "howto", too bad it got cut off ... ".. might want to hit the be" ;)
[21:16] <Goosemoose> ok
[21:16] <mathiaz> Goosemoose: if that is not enough, ask in #ubuntu-installer
[21:16] <Goosemoose> ok
[21:16] <ivoks> _ruben: eh, nobody's perfect
[21:16] <Goosemoose> does http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/netboot.tar.gz look right for the netboot? file doesn't seem to be there
[21:17] <Goosemoose> found it http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/netboot.tar.gz
[21:18] <Goosemoose> just reallly slow
[21:18] <_ruben> ivoks: i know, was mostly a "FYI"
[21:19] <ivoks> :)
[21:19] <Goosemoose> hmm, timing out
[21:20] <_ruben> security.ubuntu.com wasnt working for me either earlier .. probably overloaded or so
[21:20] <Goosemoose> grr, i think the site is down
[21:20] <Goosemoose> yeah
[21:20] <_ruben> use a local mirror
.archive.ubuntu.com :)
[21:20] <Goosemoose> ok
[21:21] <Goosemoose> US didnt work
[21:21] <Goosemoose> but GB did
[21:21]  * kees recommends se.archive.ubuntu.com -- it's screaming fast and I'm half way around the world from it
[21:21] <Goosemoose> lol us is going at 900B/s
[21:22] <Goosemoose> note, there's no K in thre
[21:22] <Goosemoose> there
[21:22] <ivoks> us mirror is broken all the time... what's up with that?
[21:22] <Goosemoose> thanks kees
[21:22] <kees> Goosemoose: speedier?
[21:22] <mathiaz> us. is currently pointing to archive.ubuntu.com
[21:22] <Goosemoose> kees, 45kbs
[21:23] <kees> ivoks: I've been pondering trying to get kernel.org to be the us archive.
[21:24]  * _ruben likes having a local mirror (at work atleast) .. usualy get about 20MB/s from it ;)
[21:24] <soren> kees: *.archive.ubuntu.com.  CNAME se.archive.ubuntu.com. ftw!
[21:24] <mathiaz> kees: kernel.org has so much bandwidth to spare ?
[21:24] <ivoks> those scandinavien guys... :)
[21:24] <ivoks> they'll take over the whole world
[21:25] <_ruben> internet + scandinavia = win
[21:25] <soren> I remember back when woody released (or was it sarge?)... It was announced on slashdot, and the comments were flying about how people should be downloading using bittorrent, or grabbing packages and jigdo them into iso's or whatever..
[21:25] <_ruben> us dutchies arent doing all that bad either tho i think
[21:26] <soren> ..at some point the ftp.se.debian.org guy just said: Just get the ISO's. We've got plenty of bandwidth.
[21:26] <soren> On slashdot.
[21:26] <ivoks> :)
[21:26] <soren> Then you had better have a lot of bandwidth to spare. And they do.
[21:26] <kees> mathiaz: well, it's more than london currently.  ;)
[21:27] <ivoks> it must be the food...
[21:27] <ivoks> or all that snow
[21:27] <_ruben> :p
[21:28] <soren> ivoks: Or all the crack we smoke.
[21:28] <soren> Yeah, that must be it.
[21:28] <Nicke> I like the quote from their webpage: "As we found out later, our activities had both filled an uplink two "hops" up from our university, at the Nordic University Network level to the point of warnings going off and made some DoS-alarms go off at the national level. All part of a fun release. "
[21:28] <soren> which release?
[21:29] <soren> I remember reading that, but I forget which release it refers to.
[21:29] <_ruben> lol
[21:29] <ivoks> ftp://ftp.se.debian.org/conspiracy/index.html
[21:29] <Nicke> Breezy it seems
[21:29] <Nicke> http://www.acc.umu.se/~maswan/2005-12-10/2gbit-freesoftware.html
[21:30] <soren> Yeah.
[21:30] <soren> Breezy was a good release :)
[21:31] <Nicke> hehe
[21:31]  * Twigathy goes to the University of Kent and the mirrorservice provides a rather good (read: maxes out my DSL line) ubuntu mirror :)
[21:31] <soren> se.archive.ubuntu.com maxes out *any* connection I've ever been on.
[21:31] <Twigathy> hehe
[21:31] <soren> University, home dsl, previous company fiber... Whatever.
[21:35] <mistiipu>  i hope i can do user1+user2=20k/s  in proxy server . squid?
[21:35] <_ruben> hrm .. only getting 1MB/s from se.archive .. odd
[21:35] <_ruben> crappy routing or so i guess
[21:36] <_ruben> tested from an 1gbps uplink
[21:37] <_ruben> ah .. it doesnt like that box's rdns :p
[21:38] <mistiipu>  i hope i can do user1+user2=20k/s  in proxy server . squid?
[21:53] <mistiipu>  a client on proxy can do anything like he is on his own dsl connection? until the server restricts something?
[21:54] <ivoks> that's what proxy can be used for, yes
[21:55] <kirkland> owh: ping
[21:55] <kirkland> owh: did you ever hear back from Debian upstream on our lsb-functions status patch?
[21:55] <kirkland> owh: the one that everything else depends upon?
[21:55] <mistiipu> hm
[21:57] <owh> kirkland: No, nothing.
[21:58] <kirkland> owh: perhaps time for a bump?
[21:58] <kirkland> owh: this would be the ideal timeframe for something like that to get committed for Intrepid
[21:58] <nijaba> server meeting in 2 min in #ubuntu-meeting
[21:58] <owh> kirkland: Yeah, I've been head down, but I'll put it on my ToDo list.
[21:59] <kirkland> owh: thx.  let me know if you'd rather I do it, or you need some help with it
[22:00] <Goosemoose> so anyone using  domainjoin-cli , im curious if it automatically allows login name/pwd from AD to work for logins
[22:00] <ivoks> iirc, yes
[22:01] <Goosemoose> ok
[22:01] <owh> kirkland: Done
[22:03] <owh> sommer: FYI, the headache with the non-rendering website yesterday was caused by AdBlocker which detected the "tracking" part of the hostname and "helpfully
[22:03] <owh>  filtered" the style-sheet and the images :-|  --- 48 hours of my life I'm never getting back :-|
[22:04] <sommer> owh: heh, I hate when that happens :)
[22:09] <Goosemoose> does my tftp server have to be updated to hardy to deploy hardy to desktops?
[22:09] <ivoks> no
[22:11] <Goosemoose> ok
[22:20] <_ZeuZ_> Hey guys, is there something like tcng for bandwidth managment for hosts under my LAN? Preferibly with some nice GUI....
[22:23] <_ZeuZ_> if not, what possibilites do I have to manage the ammount of traffic a host can take from my WAN (Internet) on my LAN?
[22:35] <_ZeuZ_> anybody who can hand me little help?
[22:35] <_ZeuZ_> (for the above stated problem)
[22:35] <ivoks> (we are in the middle of the meeting)
[22:36] <_ZeuZ_> ivoks: Wow, sorry then... might I ask what meeting? ust curious for knowing if I can join it...
[22:36] <ivoks> ubuntu-server team meeting
[22:36] <ivoks> it's in ubuntu-meeting channel, if interested
[22:39] <Nafallo> seems a bit quiet :-)
[22:39]  * Nafallo waits for activity so his irssi can remember where it went :-)
[22:47] <Goosemoose> ivoks, im getting told the the archive mirror does not have a valid release file on it. is that because the tftp server is running gutsy?
[22:48] <ivoks> tftp is a protocol for serving content
[22:48] <Goosemoose> yeah i realize. sorry i have an apt-get mirror on the machine
[22:48] <Goosemoose> that the clients use as well
[22:48] <ivoks> like apache servs html, tftp serves files
[22:48] <Goosemoose> i thought apt-get would just get the new hardy files when the client tried to install hardy
[22:48] <ivoks> so, you can have fedora 1 and serve hardy kernel to clients
[22:49] <owh> ivoks: That would be sacrilegious :)
[22:49] <ivoks> :)
[22:49] <Goosemoose> hmm
[22:49] <Goosemoose> im missing a step, sorry its been 6 months since i set this up for gutsy
[22:49] <Goosemoose> its more than just the netboot file that controls the client install then
[22:50] <Goosemoose> i installed the hardy netboot.tar.gz
[22:51] <ivoks> you downloaded hardy netboot, right?
[22:51] <Goosemoose> yes
[22:51] <Goosemoose> maybe i need to update the apt-cacher
[22:53] <Goosemoose> yeah the sources.list is still old, i think thats the issue
[22:54] <Goosemoose> ok where can i get an updated sources.list file? this one has gutsy all over it
[22:55] <_ZeuZ_> Goosemoose, you can edit it yourself, or, I guess you should have a spare copy of the default as a backup, if not take a gutsy one and change the gutsy for hardy
[22:55] <Goosemoose> yeah i have the gutsy one, but the top lines have
[22:55] <Goosemoose> deb cdrom:[Edubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Release i386 Binary-2 (20071016)]/ gutsy main restricted
[22:55] <Goosemoose> which i dont know what to change for hardy
[22:56] <Goosemoose> although thats probably irrelevant on a network install
[22:56] <_ZeuZ_> Comment that one if you're not using the CD for the new files
[22:56] <Goosemoose> ok
[22:56] <jdstrand> _ZeuZ_: thought it's cli, you'll want to see ufw for host-based firewalling on Ubuntu. https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/firewall.html
[23:00] <_ZeuZ_> ufw? is that a metapackage?
[23:00] <jdstrand> _ZeuZ_: no
[23:01] <_ZeuZ_> just a package? :) what does it deal with? iptables + tcng or it has it's own engine?
[23:02] <jdstrand> _ZeuZ_: it's just a frontend for iptables-restore/iptables-save
[23:02] <jdstrand> _ZeuZ_: it's geared towards host-based firewalls, but is flexible enough for be used as a routing firewall
[23:02] <_ZeuZ_> what about bandwidth managment?
[23:02] <jdstrand> _ZeuZ_: check out the docs
[23:02] <jdstrand> _ZeuZ_: no qos or traffic shaping yet
[23:03] <_ZeuZ_> damn... I'm needing it...
[23:03] <_ZeuZ_> is the nufw package for debian the same as this one?
[23:03] <jdstrand> _ZeuZ_: no
[23:03] <jdstrand> _ZeuZ_: ufw is new as of hardy
[23:03] <_ZeuZ_> Hmm... sources avaible?
[23:04] <jdstrand> apt-get source ufw
[23:04] <_ZeuZ_> (I guess they should, bad question..(
[23:04] <_ZeuZ_> The problem there is, does it append the rules or delete all and apply the list you create with it?
[23:06] <jdstrand> _ZeuZ_: depends on the situation-- it tries to append and only reloads when necessary
[23:08] <_ZeuZ_> Gotcha... Well, as for this is a noobish question (i'm ashamed of myself) but, after doing apt-get sources ufw I think it got installed instead of only downloaded the tar.gz, should I have specified the download only there?
[23:09] <jdstrand> _ZeuZ_: apt-get source ufw will download the source pacakge and unpack it into ufw-0.16.2
[23:10] <_ZeuZ_> got it, althought it seems it was installed since it created the /etc/ufw file
[23:10] <_ZeuZ_> or it's called something like that xD
[23:11] <jdstrand> _ZeuZ_: if you are running hardy it is installed by default, but disabled
[23:11] <jdstrand> _ZeuZ_: 'man ufw' and the above link will help you get into it
[23:12] <_ZeuZ_> lovely, didn't knew that...
[23:12] <_ZeuZ_> would there be any problem to compile it on a debian etch  enviroment?
[23:12] <jdstrand> _ZeuZ_: it's python, so shouldn't be a problem
[23:14] <jdstrand> _ZeuZ_: I gotta go, but check the docs and have fun!
[23:21] <_ZeuZ_> oops...
[23:21] <_ZeuZ_> one last quesiton?
[23:22] <_ZeuZ_> what about NATing? The tutorial does not show much there...
[23:35]  * flyback eats 4 zyrtec
[23:42] <_ZeuZ_> Any tool for QoS in Ubuntu Server?
[23:51] <_ZeuZ_> how can I check how much has the cache of SQUID groiwth?
[23:55] <Goosemoose> hmm, when doing aptitude update on my apt-cacher server
[23:55] <Goosemoose> im getting a few Errors were encountered while processing:
[23:55] <Goosemoose> on tftpd-hpa, ltsp-server and ltsp-server-standalone
[23:55] <Goosemoose> what can i do about those?