[00:00] this is all from XP pro [00:00] (work computer) [00:00] andguen2: Hmm, looking like it might be more my "testing" tools. [00:00] I'll reboot and have a look-see. Thanks again. [00:00] BRB [00:00] rebooting my router while we are at it.. [00:00] * andguen2 crosses fingers.. [00:03] hope it works out [00:04] * flyback notes all of freenode is apprentely too stupid to realize he was making a jab at robert downy jr's cocaine habit [00:04] * flyback YOU ARE ALL STUPID CANUCKS [00:05] http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct [00:05] hmmm forgot to laugh there flyback :( [00:06] stupid canucks was not nice at all [00:07] * jay2 oh I am so confused currently [00:41] does ubuntu server 8.04 have scsi support? [00:42] of course [00:43] is there an compatibility list somewheres? [00:48] * flyback bites bitmouse [00:48] CANUCK [00:48] CANUCK [00:49] hello [00:49] is there a channel for discussions on minimal ubuntu installations? [00:50] mabye embedded ubuntu or something [00:50] ubuntu might not be the best for that [00:51] is 9GB enough to install Ubuntu server? [00:51] I plan on adding about 6gigs worth of programs and random junk to it. [00:52] so, 3 gigs esentially [00:52] probobly not enough... [00:52] you should be fine with less than 2G for the install [00:52] an ubuntu desktop install is usually a lot bigger and takes about 3.5G [00:52] well my question is xfe + avman or thunar? [00:53] ogra: thanks [00:53] bitmouse: Server or desktop? [00:53] so i guess assuming 2G (even i suspect thats till way to high) is a good bet [00:54] ogra: does that inclued lots of programming languages, database thingies, etc? [00:54] desktop, hads [00:55] bitmouse: You're in the wrong channel then, a server install will fly into 2GB, for desktop stuff you'll want #ubuntu or something. [00:57] hotmonkeyluv, no, but a commandline install is done in less than 800M so adding some server processes wont really extend that much [00:57] ogra: ok, thanks! [00:59] ogra: what does the "bootable" flag do? [00:59] Not a lot :) [01:00] as in, nothing, or not much, b/c there is a big difference! [01:00] lol [01:00] "how much will this hurt?" "not much".... "OW!" [01:01] I have windows installed on this partition, and I need to know if I should have the bootable flag set or not [01:01] I know not of Windows. [01:02] lucky.... [01:02] So much for "R" in BRB. [01:03] hey owh [01:03] Hi sommer. [01:03] * owh has been pulling out hairs of late. [01:03] heh, such is life [01:06] sommer: Just out of interest, what do you see when you visit: http://tracking.landwide.com.au/chris.bray/ [01:07] whoa, australia is a whole other continent? [01:07] Australia :) [01:07] Does it have a map type selector in the top right? [01:07] sommer: Australasia is the continent :) [01:08] Above the Landwide logo? [01:08] owh: yeppers [01:08] owh: Yeah [01:08] What about an overview map in the bottom right? [01:08] Yup [01:08] yep, I concur [01:09] Riddle me this then. If I do that on my Galeon or FF browsers I get a javascript error and don't see either of those. On a Hardy LiveCD I don't either and in FF, I only see a skinny map. [01:10] delete your profile and start again [01:10] owh: weird... I'm using ff3 on hardy [01:10] Deeps: Well, I started with a new profile, but that made no difference. Lemmie try that again. [01:10] oh, ok [01:11] owh: Works here in both Konqueror and FF 3b [01:11] Well at least it works, I suppose that's something. [01:12] Now wouldn't it be great if it worked for the developer who made it also :) [01:12] On the LiveCD boot, running off a VM, it also doesn't work. [01:13] I wonder if there is a borked proxy server in between me and the world. [01:13] Don't suppose there's any bright ideas on how I might detect that? [01:14] * owh wanders off to reboot the satellite modem. [01:15] owh: I've used the firebug ff2 extension to troubleshoot websites, maybe that'll help track down the issue [01:15] owh: you can look at the http communitcations with it [01:18] Well, at least it's consistent :-( [02:11] If I lock an account using passwd -l {username}, can I still connect using ssh and an authorized_key? [02:12] owh: I think so... at leat I seem to remember someone recommending moving/removing ssh-keys [02:12] owh: I guess it'd be easy to test :) [02:12] sommer: I'm trying to figure out a way to test it without locking myself out :) [02:13] owh: heheh... I'd create a test user [02:13] owh: then you can remove/setup without losing your normal account [02:14] owh: I'd create the same user on the client and server... just to mirror real life [02:14] sommer: Yeah, that was where I was heading also. Then I wondered if the test account would barf if I needed sudo on it with a locked password. I'm thinking that given it says:"password changed", that's going to kill it. [02:16] owh: I'd imagine... I usually rename the home directories to username.del whenver users leave, which disables the .ssh dir and if they're locked it should be access denied all around [02:17] anyone have suggestion for mailman alternatives? [02:17] sommer: What I was wanting is a machine where I could only login with an ssh key, but if I lock the password, then sudo will likely bork, and I wanted to avoid a password login. [02:18] sommer: So I'm not removing access for a departed user, if you know what I mean. [02:19] owh: oooohhh, I'm with ya. I think you're right locking the password will kill sudo access [02:19] I suppose I could change the ssh config to refuse anything but keyed access. [02:19] seems like there's a way to do that, pam module maybe? [02:20] I'll look into it once I've got this weird stylesheet/script/browser/hair pulling thing sorted out :-| [02:21] Is it easy to get xwindows onto the ubuntu server? [02:22] ocyrus_: !servergui [02:23] !servergui [02:23] Ubuntu server does not install a desktop environment or X11 by default in order to enhance security, efficiency and performance. !eBox provides a GUI system management option via a web interface. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerGUI for more background and options. [02:23] heh, the wiki link should get you going [02:23] thanks [02:23] np [02:59] hi, I'm having problems installing server, it's refusing to install grub because of some problem with updates (though this is an initial install in a clean kvm) [02:59] here's two screenshots showing the errors: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mnuzum/tmp/server/ [03:00] anyone know how to work around this? [03:00] newz2000: there was a bug with grub and kvm, I thought it was solved... but a work around is to use lilo [03:01] sommer: ok, thanks [03:03] worked perfectly, though I haven't used lilo in many years. I hope it doesn't need anything special. [03:04] cool, should be basically the same... you can probably install grub later [03:10] ok, maybe this is the wrong place to ask, but I'm trying to get kvm working to host a test server... but my kvm instances gets an IP address of 10.0.2.15... I'm not sure what IP address I can use to ssh into it [03:10] anyone have any suggestions? (even for where I can get more information) [03:11] IIRC that's not a public address. Your kvm is NAT'ed on the host. From the host you may be able to use that IP, it may not be reachable. Dunno. [03:12] it's not [03:12] is there a way for my kvm machine to get an IP address on the same lan that my wifi card gets one on? [03:12] newz2000: I usually bridge the physical interface to allow for ssh. the serverguide has instructions: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/libvirt.html [03:13] sommer: bridging sounds like what I want... out of curiosity, have you used that with a wifi card? I'm curious if it works as well. [03:14] newz2000: heh, I tried once a while back and if I remember right it didn't work as well as planned [03:14] I do believe you can bridge a wireless nic though [03:14] it'll just be slightly more complicated :) [03:14] I tried with vmware server and had some problem, but its been a while so don't remember what [03:14] or it may need a different kernel module [03:15] the other option is to setup a NAT to the vm... that's not covered in the serverguide, but the community wiki has instructions I believe [03:17] Allo allo :) [03:18] I am curious if there is an easy way to get the list of out-dated packages, and the changes in those packages, so that I can better determine which packages I want/need to update? [03:18] (of course, after an apt-get update) [03:19] apt-get upgrade -s, will print what the upgrade process will do without actually doing it [03:27] sommer: yes, however, I am looking for the list of changes, like release notes. (as with the desktop version, you can see the changes) [03:28] mrpoundsign: apt-listchanges may be what you want. [03:28] ScottK: thanks, I will look into that. :) [03:40] ScottK: Do you know, offhand, how to get the list of packages from apt-get upgrade -s into a format readable by apt-listchanges --apt ? :) [03:42] mrpoundsign: No. Sorry. [03:42] Hmm, looks like apticron may be the answer :) [03:42] mrpoundsign: If you're using the official Ubuntu repositories, the answer to which updates you want is virtually certainly all of them. [03:43] ScottK: Yeah, I am not that optimistic, yet. [03:43] ScottK: Especialy since there can be minor upgrades that cause havoc in a development environment. As innocent as they may seem to the package maintainer. [03:44] mrpoundsign: For released versions of the distro, we are pretty careful. [03:44] mrpoundsign: I think a better bet is to just run a test server and try it and see. [03:44] mrpoundsign: If you ever get a regression you can then report it and hope to get it resolved. [03:45] It'll probably take less time/effort/money to deal with than deciding on updates one by one. [03:45] ScottK: Totally understood. Doesn't mean that an update has not killed me before. I have been doing system administration for almost 15 years now. I have a test server, just want to get notifications when there are updates, and what they are, so I can run them through my own tests. :) [03:45] After release it takes a lot more than a package maintainer thinks it's a good idea to get something changed. [03:46] Sure. I do too. I just always update the test server first. [03:46] ScottK: Oh, I agree. I like staying up to date. [03:47] Also, for non-security updates they go to the -proposed pocket for testing. You can keep an eye on that and try stuff out. If you find regressions, then it'll likely never get released (or fixed). [03:47] ScottK: Awesome. Also want to know the urgency of updates, such as being notified of security updates, etc, independantly. [03:48] independently, even [03:57] When you run apt-get -s install you can see which updates come from the security pocket. [04:45] New bug: #227592 in openssh (main) "openssh-server install does not create privilege separation user sshd" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/227592 [05:56] Anyone have apt-mirror working with hardy [07:51] New bug: #227615 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "mysql failing to start due to permission errors" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/227615 [08:05] i just got a crossover connection for a pc (for internet sharing) got working. i just change the other pc by an other and it stoped working. it says a network cable is unpluged. why is that so? [08:09] hmm good question there mistiipu!!!!! [08:10] jay2 thx. [08:11] what is the network config of the new pc [08:11] I am not well experinced in that sort of situation at all :( unfortunatly [08:11] oh it's a windows [08:12] could be [08:13] mistiipu: so? [08:16] so what.. [08:17] what is the network config of the new pc [08:18] 192.168.0.2 is its ip [08:18] 255.255.255.0 [08:18] gw 192.168.0.1 [08:18] dns 192.168.1.1 [08:18] is it wndows or linux? [08:18] but that dont matter........ it was working for a pc before. with same settings. i changed the pc. and it stoped working............ [08:19] the 2nd pc is windows [08:19] when was the last time you have seen this windows pc working on the lan? [08:23] hi. anyone can help me setup virtual hosts? i've searched on google, found some tutorials, tryed 'many' of them, but i just can't do it by myself... [08:23] how to clear arp. do i need that? [08:24] blue-frog just a minut ago [08:25] mistiipu: and the cable is carefully plugged into the windows pc? [08:25] ya [08:26] the machine you disconnected is also a windows? [08:26] well anyway, whatever it is.. [08:27] sorry can't help you with windows mystery [08:28] and here I am an ops in #microsoft under undernet [08:29] * rgl waves [08:30] hi there rgl [08:30] what i think now is that. my pc. server. has saved some settings related to the old pc. and when i try to connect the new pc with same wire but (new pc has different lan card) it dont allows it? [08:31] okay interesting hmm === zobbo_ is now known as zobbo [08:45] moin [08:52] sommer: Aaaaarg. The reason my web page was not working was AdBlock plus which "helpfully" blocked all of the items that had the word "tracking" in them :( [09:04] owh: Heh, convinient. [09:05] hads: I've been at it all day, and all of yesterday. So much for convenience :) [09:05] I hate it when it's something silly like that. [09:06] I knew it had to be, google wasn't helping, so it was obvious that it had something to do with me. I even went hunting through straces - joy. === ogra_ is now known as ogra [10:04] hi there... [10:04] I have a problem with mysql installation on 8.04 server x64 [10:05] the post-install configuration script returns an error [10:05] so the daemon doesn't start [10:06] tryed in another machine (with generic kernel) and it was ok [10:06] any clues? [10:08] you would have to post the error [10:09] * Starting MySQL database server mysqld [fail] [10:09] invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "start" failed. [10:09] dpkg: error processing mysql-server-5.0 (--configure): [10:09] subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 [10:09] Errors were encountered while processing: [10:09] mysql-server-5.0 [10:10] check /var/log/mysql.log (I think) to see why it thinks mysqld failed to startup [10:10] ok... [10:12] nothing there, just a blank file [10:12] the same on mysql.err [10:12] seems it never even starts [10:14] maybe a dpkg problem? [10:15] possibly [10:18] <_ruben> hmm .. mysql server installed/started just fine on my hardy jeos install yesterday (as part of an cacti install) [10:21] yes, and also on my laptop with x64 [10:22] something weird... [10:22] i think I'll try to solve it with dpkg and if not reinstall [10:23] thanks guys... [10:59] cool _ruben [11:25] * Twigathy waves [11:25] I'm having trouble with cheap-and-cheerful sata_sii based SATA controllers and was wondering if anyone had suggestions for something also reasonably cheap which could be used in mdadm software raid [11:26] I have found this, but I don't know if it'll let me just see the disks as individual disks: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Adaptec-AAR-2610SA-64Mb-6port-SATA-RAID-Controller-NEW_W0QQitemZ250242239807QQihZ015QQcategoryZ96881QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting [11:26] how to remove package if post remove script keeps failing? [11:27] dpkg --purge --force all is not enough [11:30] Depending on what the post-remove does and whether it's important you can exit the script. [11:30] its not important [11:31] should i edit script and add exit 0 to the top? [11:31] If you're sure it's not or you can do what needs doing manually then yeah, that's what I'd do. [11:32] its post rm script from db2exc package [11:32] package is broken, i will install standard db2 version [11:33] exit 0 worked fine. [12:16] hello [12:16] plse someone help me with how to install perl modules on ubuntu server 6.06 [12:40] hi [12:42] I'm looking for advices : both my web email client & email desktop client support LDAP address book. Sound like I have to setup one. Anyone here already did that ? Some tips or links maybe ? [12:43] maybe there is a simple way to get synchronised contact over the network [12:49] sound like i'm going to the ldap way, nice tuts on interweb for my needs [12:52] anyone help me with install perl modules plse [12:54] for most modules there are packages in the form of "lib-perl" [12:54] like "libwww-perl" or "libxml-parser-perl" [12:55] imo you should try to avoid installation via cpan [12:55] ok [12:55] so i need for Mail::POP3Client [12:55] or how can i search for this modules in the ubuntu repository [12:56] mh a dirty way would be: apt-cache search perl | grep lib | grep mail [12:56] most probably you'll need "libmail-pop3client-perl - POP3 client module for perl" [12:57] thnx [13:01] egoleo : you can also try packages.ubuntu.com [13:02] ok [13:06] thnx [13:08] http:// that is [13:39] phil^: curious why you avoid CPAN? [13:42] dthacker: Because it makes a mess of stuff? :) [13:42] sorry I did not mean cpan.org in general. I wanted to say that I don't like to install system-software unless it is a debian package (which is easy to upgrade/uninstall etc) [13:43] <_ruben> LTS packages are supported, CPAN aint .. good enough i'd say [13:43] Jeeves: I haven't had that experience on other Linux's but havent installed much perl on Ubuntu [13:43] yeah [13:43] i have been trying to install perl modules whole day and seems not to work with cpan [13:43] given some errors i dont even understand [13:44] ok, thanks for the feedback. [13:44] and given me something something imposible [13:44] but if install with apt-get [13:44] do i need to change my code or something? [13:47] the modules should get installed under "/usr/share/perl5/" and you'd just use it via "use NET::FTP" (for example) [13:53] i made a pc share my internet connection by cross cable direct nic to nic connection. it worked. i changed the client pc and its lan card but with same cable and same settings. it was not working. i have checked cable and lan card. both are fine. i think there is some settings in the server (linux) that has been saved for that old pc. when i plug the new pc it says a network cable has ben unplugd? [14:16] New bug: #227178 in openldap2.3 (main) "Slave slapd crashes when doing syncrepl" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/227178 [14:20] hello guys [14:20] so is there no other way again to iinstall perl modules than cpan [14:20] or how do i install and pull all dependencies [14:21] bcos installing one by one is getting boring man [14:21] egoleo: What do you need exactly? [14:21] IO::Uncompress::AnyUncompress qw(anyuncompress $AnyUncompressError); [14:21] use Mail::POP3Client; [14:21] use Email::MIME; [14:21] use Email::MIME::Attachment::Stripper; [14:21] use MIME::Parser; [14:21] all that [14:21] i was using this code on some machine [14:22] and now i moved to ubuntu server [14:22] and cpan not working [14:22] i need to install that modules to work well [14:22] cpan not working? :) [14:22] yes [14:22] That should work [14:22] what should work [14:22] cpan is not [14:22] apt-cache search the modules [14:22] And install them [14:23] is not [14:25] Email::MIME::Attachment::Stripper [14:25] this forinstance i cant find it using apt-cache [14:31] egoleo: It's not in Ubuntu, it seems [14:34] hmm [14:34] so then how do i get this to work [14:36] Fix cpan :) [14:38] how? [14:38] <\sh> egoleo, packaging those modules is an easy task [14:38] and how plse [14:38] <\sh> egoleo, file some wishlist bugs on LP for intrepid... [14:38] any link to show me [14:38] ok [14:56] New bug: #227744 in openldap2.3 (main) "dapper upgrade to hardy: openldap silently refuses to start when unable to open SSL certificates" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/227744 [15:57] hello all [15:58] anyone know how deaktivate udev for eth* devices? [15:58] i dont want a system that knows which mac-adress shouldby eth0 or eth1 [15:58] shouldbe [15:59] AFAIK, you cant [16:00] i didn't understand the request [16:00] you don't want system to connect mac address to interface name [16:00] or you want to customize it? [16:07] i want a system that i can copy via dd - so if i copy a current system, after startup the system "knows" there is a new networking-.card with new mac-address. current card is eth0 - so it willbe create eth1 [16:08] so i want deaktivate that "feature"... [16:09] * _ruben cant think of a situation where you'd really identical machines [16:09] <_ruben> with regard to hostname etc [16:09] ctx144k: you just need to edit one file [16:09] which file? [16:09] ctx144k: /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules [16:10] make it blank before creating the image [16:10] then, on reboot it will autogenerate for every computer [16:10] do that with /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules too [16:11] we should have ACL by default :) [16:11] yes i know... - but, i want it automaticly, so - anm easy way is it to rm that before starting networking [16:12] hello [16:12] it this chan is also for virtualization problem [16:12] i'm not sure if rm would work [16:12] ctx144k: cat /dev/zero >> $file should work [16:12] yes... thnx [16:13] and... this has nothing to do with networking [16:13] this happens at boot [16:13] it seems the kvm module is really unstable for m, I'm usig hardy [16:13] so, if you empty it, on reboot it will generate it self again [16:14] rmmod'd the module make my machine stall [16:14] so, dd image with those files empty, 'paste' the image on new computer and reboot [16:14] crevette: laptop? [16:14] or server [16:14] ivoks: a workstation, withcore duo 6400 [16:15] i have exactly the same proc and works fin :) [16:15] so, on rmmod kernel crashes or what? [16:16] I'm not sure I only tired once and my display was totally freezed, and I was unable to stop the system [16:16] tried [16:16] I had also the kvm module making the kernel crash at shutdown [16:16] it happen after I played with libvirt [16:17] crevette: did you report it as a bug? [16:17] no, unfortunately [16:17] I didn't had enought information to proovide [16:17] well, is it a problem if you crash that computer once more? :) [16:17] I can tried to rrmod kvm but I won't have any log [16:18] wait a sec... [16:18] except if I setup a kernel crash server [16:18] :) [16:18] move to console (ctrl+alt+f1), login and stop gdm [16:18] yeah yeah [16:18] then try rmmoding kvm [16:18] it is not crash atm [16:18] yeah [16:18] let's try [16:18] it worked? [16:18] If I don't reply, it's that crashed okay ? [16:19] :) [16:19] oui :) [16:19] not crashed [16:19] great... [16:19] perhaps it seems related to libvirt [16:20] hard to tell without logs [16:20] yeah [16:20] anyway [16:20] I'll try to look further [16:31] ivoks: around? [16:31] zul: yes [16:42] zul: but not for long :) [16:44] ivoks: k when you are ready can you send me your patch and test case I have a patch for that other bug as well [16:44] i've tested mysql part [16:45] i'll do other right now, so we can finish that chapter [16:45] ok thanks... [16:53] I have windows xp vpn clients that have locally installed printers on them. Is it possible to have these printers managed by cups ? even tho they are not installed on the server itself ? [16:56] sqlite and sqlite3 tested and working [18:43] can someone help me to install VMware on ubuntu 8.04 [18:56] where is the problem with VMWare and 8.04? [19:02] New bug: #227654 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "package mysql-server 5.0.51a-3ubuntu5 failed to install/upgrade: problemy z zależnościami - pozostawiony nieskonfigurowany" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/227654 [19:13] soren, are there any further plans for ebox inclusion ? [19:26] ogra: ebox is already in universe [19:26] ogra: are you asking if we plan to move it to main ? [19:33] <_ruben> hehe .. installing kubuntu-desktop in hardy jeos .. ~650 pkgs to install :p [19:42] sorry guys [19:42] it's been fun [19:42] never again [19:46] has anyone ever tried an OpenRC/Ubuntu merger? [19:47] * melter ducks [19:48] ive been deploying ubuntu 7 for awhile using a tftp server. does anyone know of any docs on deploying ubuntu 8 the same way? i need to know whats changed with the preseed file. i'd also like the machines to automatically join a windows AD domain which I've heard is now possible [19:48] anyone have any sample preseed files? [19:53] Hi all! [19:54] hello [19:54] is there any way to see / log the average load average over the course of, say, 1 day or x # of hours? [19:55] Is it neccessary to reinstall the system from Gutsy to Hardy if the system is up to date? [20:20] iam on a server that shares internet to 2 computers. i want to limit their bandwidth to 20k/s jointly pc1+pc2=20k/s and give them priority to my persoanal internet use on server. secondly i dont want any of the two pcs suck all the bandwidth (by excesive downloading at a time or by torrents) and drain the others pcs band. (out of 20k/s). "i dont want any 3rd distro or another router. i use linux and want it to route". [20:20] i think i need the tc command? where to read about it. and what else i need? thirdly i want to moniter each pc what he is doing. sniff internet. keep detailed records. (if he does any illegal activity eg.) see gui graphic speed graphs. etc. any app or guidance please? [20:21] ntop? [20:22] for bandwith shapping, right, tc, for fancy graphs - ntop [20:22] but i'm not sure ntop would catch illegal activities [20:22] you would need to log all the traffic for that [20:25] I would rather use slackware [20:25] than ubuntu-server again [20:25] you fail [20:26] than use slackware; where's the problem? [20:27] 2.6,15 has a nfs crash and burn bug [20:27] and you dipshits think it's not worth patching 6.06lts [20:28] then after I have to manually compile a kernel [20:28] your whatever non standard shit you are using breaks .23 and .24 [20:30] right... whatever man :) [20:30] whatever IT'S DOCUMENTED IN 2.6.15 CHANGELOG [20:30] K THX BYE [20:30] errr [20:30] .25 [20:30] th thing is... [20:30] that you can't have whatever version of kernel with whatever verison of udev [20:31] so what am I supposted to do then [20:31] so, backport a fix to 2.6.15 or wait for someone else to do it [20:31] I can't wait [20:31] or upgrade to newer version of kernel and udev [20:31] this is the 10th freaking time this blade has burned [20:31] how do I update udev [20:32] well, you could update 6.06 to 8.04 [20:32] not possible [20:32]