[00:13] <maiG6etab002> 'gnight
[00:13] <maiG6etab002> now off to bed and Zzzzzzz.zz.z.....
[00:27] <Newb> Im new to linux and having a big problem with bootloaders
[00:28] <Newb> using GRUB gives me error 2
[00:28] <Newb> and LILO 99s
[00:29] <Newb> I read that the grub problem can be caused by some artificial RAID, but I dont have RAID settings in BIOS
[00:29] <ere4si> hmmm
[00:31] <Newb> its a very old box, used to run win98. I brought it out because my laptop is being repaired
[00:34] <ere4si> Newb: how many drives are in the box?
[00:35] <Newb> ere4si: only 1
[00:38] <ere4si> Newb: from here- http://www.uruk.org/orig-grub/errors.html - error 2 is because grub can't find the disk
[00:39] <Newb> ere4si: I saw that thanks, but I don't know what to do
[00:40] <Newb> Ill open the box up, i may have added a drive and forgot
[00:40] <ere4si> Newb: older biose can't boot from a large partition - how large is the partition with / on it - and did you make a separate partition for /boot?
[00:41] <ere4si> Newb: and make sure the disk with grub on it is the master
[00:43] <Newb> ere4si: oh ok, how large should I make /boot?
[00:43] <ere4si> Newb: 100-200mb is fine
[00:43] <Newb> ere4si: currently I have swap ~200 mb and the main is 4 GB
[00:44] <Newb> ok ill do that and come back later, thanks
[00:44] <ere4si> Newb: that should be ok
[00:44] <ere4si> Newb: where did you install grub - the default?
[00:49] <Newb> ere4si: I used the guided install... im guessing that places it in the mbr?
[00:50] <ere4si> Newb: yep
[00:50] <ere4si> you could try and update grub - do you have a live cd?
[00:51] <ere4si> Newb: ^^
[00:54] <WildChild7> hm
[00:57] <^u^> WildChild7: no luck?
[00:58] <TheSheep> WildChild7: just try to put values from any other monitor of similar class
[00:59] <TheSheep> WildChild7: you shouldn't be able to damage modern monitors with bad synch values anymore
[00:59] <WildChild7> I could say I'm getting to loose my patience here. On the base of my Monitor Model No. VD-697 and I know It's ADI microscan. I decide on base of this info http://www.tradeloop.com/m/products/product_view.cfm?View=903137  that my full name for monitor would be: ADI microscan 5P+ and so my hsync and vrefresh based on this page http://www.monitorworld.com/Monitors/adi/microscan5p.html would be 30-69 / 50-120. Now there happe
[01:00] <WildChild7> my resolution is 1360x1024 at 59HZ
[01:00] <WildChild7> that's too much for my monitor
[01:01] <TheSheep> you can set lower one
[01:01] <TheSheep> you can also switch it at runtime with alt+ctrl+gray +/-
[01:02] <TheSheep> (gray+/gray- are the +/- keys on the number pad)
[01:02] <WildChild7> here is the xorg.conf after putting in manualy hsync and vrefresh: http://pastebin.ca/1009922
[01:02] <Newb> ere4si: I have livecd but it was really slow and sorta frozen... my box only has 128mb ram
[01:03] <Newb> ere4si: so I used the alternate one
[01:03] <WildChild7> any suggestions ?
[01:03] <^u^> Newb: i'm on another box atm - you might be better off with a reinstall adding a /boot partition
[01:03] <^u^> ^u^=ere4si
[01:04] <Newb> u: ok how will I place grub in there?
[01:04] <Newb> u: using expert mode?
[01:04] <TheSheep> WildChild7: try http://pastebin.ca/1009927
[01:04] <^u^> Newb: it will do that during install - just mount the partition as /boot
[01:05] <Newb> ^u^:ok thanks
[01:05] <^u^> Newb: or manual partitioning
[01:05] <WildChild7> TheSheep: let me restart x
[01:12] <WildChild7> bah
[01:13] <WildChild7> It asked me to modify or to shutdown... but than it wasn't able to get into x
[01:13] <WildChild7> that monitos is a bitch
[01:13] <WildChild7> monitor*
[01:13] <WildChild7> How can I try to install proper SiS driver if I can't even set up monitor :)
[01:17] <WildChild7> ok if monitor is such a bitch I'll grab another 17" monitor
[01:17] <WildChild7> Will xubuntu recognize "new" crt monitor at boot ?
[01:18] <WildChild7> the best to try ..
[01:19] <floating> aaais there a tool to extract .7z files ?
[01:20] <floating> by default in xubu
[01:27] <floating> d'oh. trying to get a rom pack with japanese roms included. can only find those put in .7z and when i extract them, there is 5 versions of same game inside all of those 7z :/
[01:28] <WildChild7> there u go...
[01:28] <WildChild7> the "new" monitor works ok
[01:29] <WildChild7> only Refresh rate is a little low :S 60HZ
[01:29] <WildChild7> where could I put it into 85Hz ?
[01:32] <WildChild7> ok
[01:33] <WildChild7> So this is the trick
[01:34] <^u^> WildChild7: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:35] <WildChild7> At 1280x1024 I can Only have 60hz of refresh rate... BUT.. I DON'T wanna to have resolution at 1280x1024.  I wanna have at 1024x768. So I start screen and graphic preferences and set my resolution to 1024x768 and I can automatically have 85Hz refresh rate beside. So I click OK And restart x but It messes all up...
[01:35] <WildChild7> ^u^: can u help me a little ?
[01:36] <^u^> WildChild7: can you paste your xog.conf file?
[01:36] <^u^> !paste
[01:37] <^u^> *xorg.conf
[01:38] <WildChild7> ^u^: http://pastebin.ca/1009957
[01:40] <^u^> WildChild7: can't do anything with that - it has no options - doesn't list values it uses - hardys' X is crap
[01:41] <WildChild7> ^u^: so no help for me
[01:42] <WildChild7> I thought hardy will be more dynamic :S
[01:42] <^u^> WildChild7: I'd just install gutsy until they get it sorted out
[01:45] <WildChild7> well....
[01:45] <WildChild7> enough for today
[01:46] <WildChild7> gn8 to all and thanx for your participating
[01:46] <^u^> good luck
[01:49] <Newb> ^u^: should the /boot partition be primary or logical?
[01:49] <^u^> Newb: primary is ok
[01:50] <Newb> ^u^: ok what should I put for "how to use filesystem"
[01:51] <^u^> Newb: what are the options again
[01:52] <TheSheep> a) use as filesystem b) use as cooking stove c) don't use
[01:52] <^u^> hehe
[01:53] <TheSheep> Newb: ext3 is ok
[01:53] <Newb> ^u^: Ext3, ext2, far 16, fat 32, physical volume for encryption or RAID or LVM, reiser, jfs xfs
[01:53] <Newb> thesheep: ok thanks
[01:53] <^u^> Newb: as TheSheep says ext3
[01:55] <Newb> ^u^: then mountpoint as /boot?
[01:55] <ere4si> yep newb
[01:56] <Newb> ere4si: bootable flag on? and should I label it "boot"?
[01:57] <TheSheep> no need, but it won't hurt
[01:57] <ere4si> Newb: for sure - and any name you want for label - boot is ok
[01:57] <Newb> ok and any special mount options?
[01:57] <ere4si> TheSheep: I have no partitions marked as bootable - so it isn't needed then?
[01:58] <TheSheep> ere4si: it's needed for some ancient hardware
[01:58] <ere4si> Newb: I use noatime but you don't have to
[01:58] <ere4si> TheSheep: ok thnx
[01:59] <Newb> guys: thanks, now I just finish setting it up and then GRUB should automatically be installed into it by the guided install?
[02:00] <ere4si> Newb: done the / and swap? - and grub will be put on the mbr
[02:01] <Newb> ere4si: the / and the swap are done
[02:01] <ere4si> Newb: your well on your way then :0
[02:02] <ere4si> *:)
[02:02] <Newb> ere4si: how will the /boot help avoid GRUB error 2 this time around? Thansk for your help by the way
[02:03] <ere4si> Newb: with such an old comp it will be able to find the drive 'cause /boot is on a small enough partition for the bios to see it - newer comps don't have this issue
[02:04] <Newb> ere4si: ok thanks a lot, Ill let it install then
[02:05] <ere4si> Newb: good luck :)
[02:33] <ArticWolf> HELP ... how do i turn off the non desktop screen saver ... the one that is always on
[03:13] <fiyawerx_> Does anyone know how to tell what resolutions you can use? settings manager is only showing 800 x 600 for me
[03:19] <ArticWolf> probibly means it didnt detect your vid card so defaults to  800 x 600
[03:20] <fiyawerx_> no i found out, it only shows 640x, 800x, and "default"
[03:20] <fiyawerx_> it doesnt tell you what default is
[03:20] <fiyawerx_> but it was 1024x which is what i wanted
[03:20] <fiyawerx_> i just wish it told you what the default was
[03:28] <fivehorizons> Is anyone available to help me with a VNC tunneled through SSH problem?
[03:35] <fivehorizons> Hello?
[03:41] <Odd-rationale> fivehorizons: hi
[03:41] <bronsoja_> is there a more commonly used/recommended burning tool besides the default installed brasero?
[03:42] <fivehorizons> hello
[03:43] <^u^> bronsoja_: I use k3b - it is considered one of the better ones
[03:43] <bronsoja_> ok.. i'll give it a try for disc #2. thanks.
[03:44] <fivehorizons> So anyone have a lot of knowledge about VNC & SSH?
[04:03] <thechris> I get the following at boot "/dev/ram does not exist"
[04:04] <thechris> it then drops me to a shell in initrd
[04:06] <^u^> is it a live cd or a hard disk install
[04:07] <thechris> hard disk
[04:08] <^u^>  partition on my box that holds an ISO of the liveCD is diff to an install
[04:09] <thechris> its pretty much the method in !install except without using windows
[04:09] <^u^> do you mean wubi?
[04:10] <thechris> no, the method in !install tells you to make a vfat partition and use some dos tools to get it to work
[04:11] <thechris> its right, i have about 50 /dev/ramNN 's but nothing called just /dev/ram
[04:11] <^u^> well good luck with that - I only ever burn a cd then install - it's so much easier
[04:14] <bronsoja__> ^u^: k3b worked great, thanks... (except for maybe the sound playing at the end)..
[04:15] <bronsoja__> but anyways.. if I have vlc installed.. how to do I need to format the command in the removable drives and media dialog in order to make dvd's play with vlc by default?
[04:18] <^u^> bronsoja__: I never play dvds - I wouldn't know - a guess would be to put a dvd in - browse to it and right click the file and select open with vlc
[04:19] <Newb> ^u^: Victory!!! it works. I did get an error 17 but looked uphow to fix that
[04:19] <Newb> ^u^: thanks for all your help
[04:20] <^u^> Newb: great :)
[04:24] <Newb> ^u^: So can I check sensitive information over the internet out of the box? or do I have to enable some kind of security?
[04:27] <^u^> Newb: I wouldn't want to be responsible for answering a question with such ramifications - the net is never truly safe
[04:30] <Newb> ^u^: ok say that want to check my university email that contains my student info and have been using xp/vista in the past
[04:31] <Newb> ^u^: does xubuntu include things like a firewall out of the box/protection against spyware?
[04:32] <^u^> Newb: I use no extra security measures apart from a router
[04:32] <Newb> ^u^: ok cool thanks
[04:32] <^u^> !antivrus | Newb
[04:32] <^u^> !antivirus
[04:32] <^u^> !linuxvirus
[04:33] <Newb> ^u^: lol ok thanks
[04:34] <Newb> ^u^: goodnight, im just gonna get some gpu drivers and then catch some shut eye
[04:35] <^u^> Newb: night then :)
[04:40] <bronsoja__> hey.. i started out with ubuntu the other day... and installed the xubuntu desktop stuff.. and have been using that since then.. like it a fair bit better than gnome... would i gain anything from doing a reinstall with just xubuntu?
[04:46] <^u^> bronsoja__: you'd save some disk space is about all I think
[04:46] <^u^> brb
[05:14] <GroundZer0>  whats "feh" background image handler
[05:52] <Meshezabeel> is it normal for xubuntu to run slow on a 2GHZ machine with 256 MB of Ram?
[05:53] <ere4si> Meshezabeel: not at all - what do you call slow?
[05:54] <Meshezabeel> I have a few machines that ran Ubunut 6.10 very well, but when I tried to install 8.04 it was extremely slow, now I tried to install xubuntu instead and it is still quite slow, just not as bad
[05:55] <ere4si> Meshezabeel: in a terminal can you type    free     and paste the output?
[05:55] <Meshezabeel> by slow, I mean even trying to search for a program in synaptic, it freezes up for a minute or so before it does anything, firefox takes quite a long time before it will even load on the screen maybe about a minute, other programs are just as bad
[05:56] <Meshezabeel> ere4si, these machines are on the lab at work, so they are not in front of me right now
[05:56] <ere4si> k
[05:57] <Meshezabeel> I did try running top though and it said the available memory was going below 5MB quite often, but I couldn't tell what processes were using the memory, there were only a few at the top of the list that were about 3% or less
[05:57] <ere4si> Meshezabeel: 8.04 does use more resources but shouldn't be giving those delays
[05:58] <ere4si> I rarely get above 170mb mem used
[05:58] <Meshezabeel> is there any way to tell what is using the memory?
[05:59] <ere4si> well you know top - and a better app named htop
[06:00] <ere4si> what are you using the comps for?
[06:00] <Meshezabeel> top will show me how much memory is used at the top and then list percentages for what is being used, but the numbers don't seem to correlate with each other, maybe because it lists it by CPU priority rather than memory priority?
[06:01] <ere4si> try ps -aux
[06:01] <Meshezabeel> okay, I will take a look at htop, thanks. The computers are being used in a k-12 school.
[06:02] <Meshezabeel> okay thanks, will do that
[06:03] <ere4si> good luck :)
[06:04] <Meshezabeel> thanks :)
[06:05] <Meshezabeel> cool, htop lets me sort by memory :)
[06:06] <ere4si> it is handy :)
[06:06] <Meshezabeel> ah, I guess top does too with the > symbol
[06:08] <Meshezabeel> so does F
[06:08] <Meshezabeel> still not as nice as htop though :)
[06:13] <Meshezabeel> strange: htop shows I'm only using 326MB of memory, top shows 684640k used
[07:13] <singing-Geeks> Hi
[09:24] <WildChild7> hm
[09:24] <WildChild7> I don0t know..
[09:25] <Sheldon> Greetings all, hoping I can get some assistance in installing xubuntu as a dual boot with vista
[09:25] <WildChild7> I don't know if I wannt to go back to gutsy just because of screen. There got to be way how to set screen resolution and refresh rate for monitors
[09:25] <Myrtti> if you've got vista already installed, it should be no problem
[09:26] <Sheldon> In theory, yes.  However, when attempting to install, it goes without error.  After it finishes and reboots for the first time, grub gives an error 17.
[09:29] <Sheldon> Do I have to install xubuntu on a partition that is on the same physical hard drive as vista?
[09:29] <ere4si> Sheldon: see if this helps - http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3518911&postcount=9
[09:32] <Sheldon> Hmmm that mayjust do it.  I'll have to gmail that link to myself and see if that works when I reinstall xubuntu again.  If it fails, well, I'll be back :)  Thanks
[09:32] <ere4si> np Sheldon
[09:33] <ere4si> Sheldon: I just use firefoxs bookmarks
[09:34] <Sheldon> Yes, but if I install, and it fails, and I reload the live cd, I won't have those bookmarks anymore, or does it store that on the HDD somewhere?
[09:35] <Sheldon> meh, its gmailed, I have it regardless, wish me luck all
[09:36] <ere4si> good luck
[09:36] <ere4si> Sheldon: I have a separate /home partition so those things are saved
[09:36] <Sheldon> Yes, but does that work for the live disc?
[09:37] <ere4si> no
[09:37] <Sheldon> Ok, so gmailing it to myself while on the live disc was a good thing, okie :) Wasn't sure if I was missing something
[09:37] <ere4si> you have to make the partition during install
[09:37] <ere4si> yep
[09:38] <ere4si> good luck again :)
[09:38] <xbj9000> how can I add more than 2 desktops to the pager?
[09:39] <ere4si> xbj9000: right click the pager
[09:40] <xbj9000> yes but all that lets me edit is the number of rows
[09:40] <xbj9000> which only puts the two pages on top of each other instead of side by side
[09:41] <ere4si> xbj9000: one min pls
[09:41] <Myrtti> applications . settings . settings manager . workspaces and margins
[09:44] <xbj9000> ah, thanks Myrtti
[09:44] <xbj9000> I like xfce a lot but it is not very easy to adjust
[09:44] <Myrtti> depends on what you've gotten used to
[09:46] <xbj9000> I suppose, but editing the menu was rather involved
[09:46] <Myrtti> I personally think I can edit the menu in xfce with more flexibility than in gnome
[09:47] <Myrtti> for instance the quicklauncher is great
[09:47] <xbj9000> I mean the fact that you have to save the default menu and then reload it and stuff
[09:47] <xbj9000> also I come from kde, not much experience with gnome
[09:48] <Myrtti> oh
[09:49] <ere4si> xbj9000: the x in xubuntu stands for xfce - the desktop environment - it is diff to gnome
[09:49] <xbj9000> lol, yeah
[09:49] <ere4si> hehe
[09:49] <xbj9000> I got it on purpose, working on an older machine right now
[09:50] <ere4si> it's great for older comps :)
[09:50] <xbj9000> yes and it looks nice
[10:22] <Daftpunk> hi there
[10:23] <ere4si> heh there Daftpunk
[10:23] <ere4si> *hey even
[10:24] <Daftpunk> ere4si I start to think that you are a bot
[10:25] <Daftpunk> :D
[10:25] <ere4si> Daftpunk: bots don't normally misspell :)
[10:25] <Daftpunk> lol
[10:25] <Daftpunk> Do you also sleep sometimes?
[10:26] <Daftpunk> I went to sleep at about 1 o clock in the morn. you were there
[10:27] <Daftpunk> ere4si I have a little problem installing apache 2.2.8
[10:27] <Daftpunk> I read couple manuals on how to do that
[10:28] <Daftpunk> but for some reason it's coming up with an error
[10:28] <Daftpunk> what does "make" command do?
[10:28] <ere4si> Daftpunk: I'm in australia - it is 7.30 pm here - what's the error?
[10:28] <Daftpunk> lol then it makes sense
[10:29] <ere4si> make is for compiling from source - use the apache from synaptic
[10:29] <Daftpunk> All i can do is ungzip it then untar it
[10:29] <ere4si> !lamp
[10:29] <Daftpunk> ok then
[10:30] <Daftpunk> this is my second day with linux in my life so i am a bit lost for the moment
[10:30] <Daftpunk> But i am reading manuals and everything basically I can
[10:31] <ere4si> Daftpunk: what makes th *buntus good for me is the packaging - stick to the programs in synaptic and you'll have a much easier time
[10:32] <ere4si> they are made to work
[10:35] <Daftpunk> right that was easy
[10:35] <Daftpunk> what about mysql is it in the synaptic? I couldn't see it
[10:35] <ere4si> Daftpunk: apache installed?
[10:36] <ere4si>  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[10:36] <Daftpunk> i hope so the box next to it is green
[10:36] <ere4si> hehe - it is
[10:36] <ere4si> see above
[10:38] <Daftpunk> but i think the install instructions will be the same for hardy heron as well
[10:38] <ere4si> they should be
[10:39] <Daftpunk> Where in australia are you
[10:39] <Daftpunk> ?
[10:39] <Daftpunk> I got a friend in Perth
[10:39] <ere4si> I'm in brisbane
[10:39] <ere4si> east coast it is
[10:39] <ere4si> perth is west
[10:39] <Daftpunk> oh thats the other end isn;t it
[10:39] <Daftpunk> ya
[10:40] <Daftpunk> what's the weather like in AU now?
[10:40] <Daftpunk> Is it getting colder now?
[10:40] <ere4si> obrisbane is known as "gods' own zone"
[10:41] <Daftpunk> i know that you don't know the term "cold" in AU
[10:41] <ere4si> brisbane has a couple of morns at -2 and days at 24c in winter
[10:41] <ere4si> I saw snow once :)
[10:41] <ere4si> down south
[10:41] <Daftpunk> that's when temperatures drop below 15c :D
[10:42] <Daftpunk> lol really?
[10:42] <ere4si> hehe
[10:42] <ere4si> have to go to the southern mountains for snow
[10:42] <Daftpunk> where my mom lives, they usually get around 1 meter of snow throught the whole winter
[10:43] <ere4si> I'm taking a trip to canada next year - should see snow then for sure
[10:43] <Daftpunk> so skiing will probably not be the national sport
[10:43] <Daftpunk> Oh yeah
[10:44] <Daftpunk> It's beautiful ther
[10:44] <ere4si> hehe - nope
[10:44] <Daftpunk> I was thinking about moving to canada
[10:44] <Daftpunk> the nature is beautiful
[10:45] <ere4si> I think it would be great for a holiday - maybe too much to live there
[10:45] <Daftpunk> But surfing is quite popular in AU
[10:45] <ere4si> sure it is
[10:45] <Daftpunk> I got a friend in Ireland that was surfing :D
[10:45] <Daftpunk> water is freezing
[10:45] <Daftpunk> there
[10:45] <ere4si> most aussies are along the coast - all desert in the middle
[10:46] <Daftpunk> Are there any problems with floods now in AU
[10:46] <ere4si> surfing in ireland - must be mad!
[10:46] <Daftpunk> or is it sill ok?
[10:46] <Daftpunk> LOL exactly
[10:46] <Daftpunk> but I think southwes of England is closest you can get to surfing in europe
[10:46] <ere4si> floods are a summer thing - when there's no drought - we are limied to 4min showers atm
[10:47] <ere4si> no water
[10:48] <ere4si> afk for a min
[10:49] <Daftpunk> ok
[11:00] <Sheldon> Hey all, I'm back :P
[11:00] <Daftpunk> welcome back
[11:01] <ere4si> no grub error Sheldon ?
[11:02] <ere4si> Daftpunk: what are you setting apache up for?
[11:02] <Sheldon> So, I've hit a bit of a snag.  Going through the article you guys gave me on editing grub for the difference between the BIOS driver order and linux drive order ... getting an error 21: selected disk does not exist when trying to give it the command to look at a different disc (specifcally root(hd2,0) as the HDD its on is the 3rd drive in bios order, or 2 as first starts as 0
[11:02] <holyguyver> when I install konqueror either the kde3.5 or 4 one, they do not show up in the xfce programs menu laucher. How can I get them to show up?
[11:03] <ere4si> holyguyver: you can edit the menu from system settings
[11:04] <holyguyver> Whenever I go to do that it only lets me edit the main thing, it does not seem to allow me to edit the catigories nor the sub catigories.
[11:05] <holyguyver> I am on Gutsey
[11:05] <ere4si> Sheldon: grub error 21 : "Unknown boot failure"
[11:05] <ere4si> This error is returned if the boot attempt did not succeed for reasons which are unknown.
[11:06] <ere4si> holyguyver: it will allow you to add new entries I thought
[11:07] <ere4si> Sheldon: you have 3 disks? - what is on each pls?
[11:07] <holyguyver> Only to the main menu, not to the catigories & sub ones, plus here is the stranger thing, if I open konqu through the terminal & have it look at my programs menu it says that both konq3 & 4 are there, yet they do now show up in xfce
[11:08] <holyguyver> not*
[11:08] <holyguyver> they do not show up in xfce*
[11:09] <ere4si> holyguyver: try typing in a terminal   sudo update-menus
[11:09] <ere4si> or sudo update-menu - I forget
[11:10] <SabreWolfy> Hi -- can I ask a question here about Xubuntu please ?
[11:10] <ere4si> anyone's free to ask SabreWolfy
[11:10] <Myrtti> !ask
[11:10] <Sheldon> Don't recall the exact order, but Drive 0 is my vista drive, drive 1 is NTFS and has files on it, drive 2 is the linux drive with a reiser partition for / an ext2 for /home and a swap; the other two drives are also formatted as ntfs for files, the last one being a usb drive
[11:11] <holyguyver> Nope did not work, but I figured as much as I have added a slew of programs since then & they all showed up in the menu instantly when I installed them.
[11:11] <ere4si> Sheldon: where did you install grub to pls
[11:12] <SabreWolfy> Well, I think Xubuntu is great and I've installed it on an "old" desktop machine; Xorg.conf lists no resolutions; when it's booted I can choose different resolutions fine; however, the login screen is going to the "default" resolution which is not what I want; searched around and can't find a solution. any ideas?
[11:12] <SabreWolfy> So when I'm using it proper I've selected 1024x768 and that's fine; on the list it provides, the top entry is "defaulf" which is not what I want; this is the one it uses at the login screen; xorg.conf has no lists of resolutions or anything in it
[11:12] <Sheldon> Where did I install it, beats me, it never asked me where to install grub when I went through the xubuntu install.  I would assume it stuck itself on drive 0, as every other time this has failed I've had to rebuild my mbr and boot record for vista
[11:13] <ere4si> holyguyver: press ctrl+alt+bksp  then at the login press  ctrl+alt+F2 - login and do the update menu again - alt+F7 to get back to login
[11:13] <holyguyver> sabrewolf that should be fixable by editing a config file
[11:13] <SabreWolfy> holyguyver: that's what I thought; dug around on the forums, etc. but nothing was helpful; all the solutions expected that xorg.conf has stuff in it which mine doesn't!
[11:14] <holyguyver> ere4si I added konq last week & I have logged out & in a dusain times since then, so wouldn't that have done what you are suggesting?
[11:14] <ere4si> Sheldon: I would put the live cd in and find where grub is - open a terminal and type   sudo grub - find /boot/grub/stage1
[11:14] <Sheldon> ok, one sec
[11:15] <SabreWolfy> and what the HELL is the "USA" button next to the password entry box when you have a screensaver password on ? :)
[11:15] <holyguyver> Well then SabreWolfy then it seems that you shoul be able to find someplace online that tells you what that config file should contain & you should be able to add that in to your blank one & start from there.
[11:15] <ere4si> holyguyver: obviously not - I don't use kde apps so am not familiar with why they don't work on xubuntu - only offering suggestions :)
[11:16] <SabreWolfy> holyguyver: your name changed colour in pidgin between one line you wrote and the next; strange
[11:16] <ere4si> SabreWolfy: what is the default resolution - and what do you want it to be ?
[11:16] <SabreWolfy> ere4si: default appears to be around 1280x768 I think; I want 1024x768, which I have once booted; login is using default setting
[11:17] <holyguyver> eresi kopete & Dolphen show up, it is only both konques that don't :p
[11:17] <Sheldon> Ok, so I assume where the - is means I hit enter, and put that command in inside the grub program itself yes?
[11:17] <SabreWolfy> oooh I see the person's name is in a colour when they've used my nick in their text -- nice nice ! :)
[11:17] <SabreWolfy> IRC has come a long way since the old days of early mIRC ! :)
[11:17] <ere4si> Sheldon: nope - I was talking of a terminal in the live cd
[11:18] <holyguyver> SabreWolfy the reason my name changed colours is ecause I typed out your name.
[11:18] <ere4si> !who
[11:18] <ere4si> !tab
[11:18] <Sheldon> so "﻿sudo grub - find /boot/grub/stage1" was to be entered as one whole line command in the terminal?
[11:18] <ere4si> Sheldon: no - two entries
[11:19] <Sheldon> Ok, that's what I asked.  In terminal, I do sudo grub, then the second half
[11:19] <ere4si> Sheldon: sudo grub gives a grub terminal - find well finds
[11:19] <SabreWolfy> ere4si: so basically I want to know where X has stored the resolution it considers to be "default"
[11:19] <ere4si> Sheldon: yep :)
[11:19] <Sheldon> Ok, returns error 15: file not found
[11:20] <Sheldon> which confuses me since I get grub error 17 on boot, so its got to be installed.
[11:20] <ere4si> SabreWolfy: I am lost with hardy's new X - sorry
[11:20] <holyguyver> ere4si  kopete & Dolphen show up, it is only both of the  konques that don't :p
[11:20] <SabreWolfy> ere4si: np; you know about the "USA" text next to p/word entry box on screensaver ?
[11:21] <ere4si> Sheldon: try find /boot/grub/stage1.5
[11:21] <ere4si> SabreWolfy: never seen that!
[11:21] <holyguyver> ere4si you seem to be a very popular person ;)
[11:22] <Sheldon> Same error.  Could be unfound because the drive its on isn't mounted
[11:22] <ere4si> holyguyver: can't suggest more then add them as separate entries in the menu
[11:22] <holyguyver> ere4si as I said the xfce menu editor won't let me do that, or else if it does, then I don't know how to do it.
[11:22] <ere4si> Sheldon: never had a mount issue from the live cd and grub - you are on the live cd?
[11:23] <Sheldon> correct
[11:23] <ere4si> Sheldon: last try for this - find /boot/grub/stage2
[11:24] <Sheldon> I went through the article http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3518911&postcount=9 and got up to the root (hdx,0) part and everyuthing else has gone smooth as butter (once I figured out how to use vi)
[11:24] <Sheldon> file not found yet again
[11:25] <holyguyver> Also does anyone know how I can do an apt-get keyword search through the terminal?
[11:25] <ere4si> holyguyver: apt-cache search something
[11:26] <Myrtti> aptitude search works too
[11:26] <ere4si> Sheldon: to get to the root(hdx,0) part you need to have found grub stagex?
[11:28] <SabreWolfy> bye
[11:28] <Sheldon> Not according to that article I just linked
[11:28] <ere4si> one min
[11:30] <holyguyver> Well I am asking various things, does anyone know of an app I can install on xfce for searching for files/documents?
[11:31] <holyguyver> searchinf for/finding
[11:33] <ere4si> Sheldon: if those steps work follow the to find the grub stage 1 - I was working on setting grub up on hd0 and editing menu.lst accordingly
[11:33] <ere4si> holyguyver: I use sudo updatedb && locate filename
[11:33] <Sheldon> There's nothing mentioned about stage 1 in there.
[11:35] <holyguyver> ere4si, but how about a more advanced one that can also read through the individual documents for words contained inside of them? Can I install that strigoli thing & have it work on a xfce machine?
[11:35] <Sheldon> Thing is, going through it, it says type root (hd1,0) with the correct # for the order in the bios ... but I tried every drive in the bios, no drive # makes the command work, they all come up as no such drive
[11:36] <holyguyver> (Strig is of course a kde program again :p)
[11:36] <Sheldon> as in the bios its drive 3, or thus drive 2, I even tried (hd2,1) as the partition on that drive that I have / for is numbered as 1, or does it just number as 1 but treat as 0 like everthing else?
[11:36] <Myrtti> holyguyver: beagle / tracker
[11:37] <holyguyver> Thanks :)
[11:38] <ere4si> Sheldon: bios goes 1 2 3 - grub goes 0 1 2
[11:38] <Sheldon> Right
[11:38] <Sheldon> So drive 3 in bios is 2 in grub, and thus partition 1 would be 0 in grub?
[11:39] <Sheldon> oh, I've found stage1 and stage2, they're apparently on the same drive as / is mounted to
[11:40] <ere4si> Sheldon: Sheldon step back a min pls - do the drives have several partitions on them - I'm getting lost with your changes in references
[11:40] <ere4si> Sheldon: how did you find them?
[11:41] <ere4si> Sheldon: so grub is a on drive hd2?
[11:41] <ere4si> lol
[11:41] <Sheldon> All the drives in my system running NTFS are only one partition.  the Linux drive however has several, which is normal for a linux install.  There is always the / partition and a swap.  I also have a partition for /home.  So the Ubuntu drive has 3 partitions, all the rest only have 1 each
[11:42] <ere4si> Sheldon: and the linux install is drive 2 as grub sees it?
[11:42] <ere4si> 3 as the bios sees it
[11:42] <ere4si> ?
[11:42] <Sheldon> Yes, on HDD3, or 2 as Grub would see it, I have the stage1 and stage2 folders.  I found them by exiting the grub terminal and typing dir while in the /boot/grub dir, since the instructions going step by step put you there anyhow
[11:42] <Sheldon> BIOS sees partitions?
[11:42] <Sheldon> That's news to me.
[11:43] <ere4si> bios doesn't see parts
[11:43] <Sheldon> Right
[11:43] <ere4si> I said drive
[11:43] <Sheldon> Ahh, I see, my bad, its late/early here :P  Yes, in the BIOS, the Linux drive is the 3rd on the list, and thus 2 in grub
[11:45] <ere4si> Sheldon: but in the grub terminal stage 1 couldn't be found - so grub doesn't see the drive it is on - is that drive hooked up as a secondary/slave from the mobo?
[11:46] <Sheldon> Yep.  I have only one usb drive and its not being touched for this at all.
[11:47] <ere4si> sheld
[11:47] <holyguyver> Mrtti I installed both beagel & tracker & whichever one I like more, I shal uninstall the other :p
[11:47] <ere4si> oops
[11:47] <holyguyver> myrtti
[11:49] <LetsGo67> Why isn't Abiword updated to 2.6.3!?
[11:49] <ere4si> Sheldon: I've run out of ideas - for what I know we have to be in the grub terminal with stagex found - maybe someone else can chime in
[11:50] <ere4si> LetsGo67: is that the latest?
[11:51] <LetsGo67> Yes, and even intrepid has 2.4 instead of 2.6  :(
[11:51] <Myrtti> holyguyver: yes?
[11:51] <Myrtti> ok
[11:52] <ere4si> Sheldon: a last thought - simplify things - remove the usb and flash - try an install with just the vista disk and the one for xubuntu
[11:52] <holyguyver> Myrtti : yeah sorry about that I sent you the message but had a typo on your name so that is why I said your name later
[11:56] <holyguyver> ere4si, what is the version of xfce on gutsy & what is the newest version?
[11:57] <ere4si> holyguyver: no idea at all
[11:57] <ere4si> holyguyver: they are both xfce4 but what release I don't know
[11:58] <ere4si> packages xubuntu gutsy and packages xubuntu hardy should tell
[11:58] <holyguyver> 4.4.1 is gutsy
[12:00] <Sheldon> ok weird, I just closed and reopened the terminal, went into grub from the root and it found /boot/grub/stage1 on (hd1,0)
[12:00] <ere4si> Sheldon: so it is on the second disk then
[12:01] <ere4si> and xubuntu is on the third
[12:01] <ere4si> ?
[12:04] <Sheldon> Well, in the gparted, the vista drive is first sda, then linux is sdb, then c d and e are the other general data drives
[12:04] <ere4si> ahhh
[12:05] <ere4si> Sheldon: I'd set grub up on the first drive and see if that helped
[12:05] <Sheldon> So, on the vista drive?
[12:06] <ere4si> I would but I am me...
[12:06] <Sheldon> Ok, so how do I do that precisely?
[12:06] <ere4si> I always set grub on the first drives mbr
[12:07] <Sheldon> Now are we going by gparted first drive or bios first drive?
[12:08] <ere4si> sudo grub - then /find /boot/grub/stage1 - then root (hd1,0) - then setup (hd0) - then quit and reboot
[12:08] <holyguyver> I know this is off-toppic, but I just want to give everyone a laugh. I was just admiring my desktop & app configuration & I thought how nice it would be if there was a distro came preinstalled with these apps & configuration, & I thought, well since mine is basicly a set up for a Home Office it couled be called HomO Linux...& it could be lesBIAN based :p
[12:09] <Sheldon> ok
[12:10] <Sheldon> ok, rebooting, wish me luck.
[12:12] <ere4si> my dinners burnt
[12:13] <holyguyver> yumyum! :p
[12:13] <holyguyver> it is 4AM here :p a bit early for dinner :p
[12:13] <ere4si> 9.15pm here a bit late
[12:14] <ere4si> hehe
[12:39] <shar> Hi all, What is your preferred method for browsing samba shares?
[12:40] <Myrtti> mount.cifs
[12:50] <shar> I was thinking in terms of a file manager that could drag and drop files from an smb server to my local directory
[13:13] <LayZ> Hai
[13:14] <LayZ> Anyone here >_>
[13:15] <LayZ> Err anyway here's the problem I installed eeexubuntu v3 on my 4g EEE and it was unable to mount my usb noname 1g stick and my western digital 320G usb hdd, so I used the updater to get all the updates available, which didn't fix anything. Then I used the "update to 8.04" feature, it updated and now instead of just showing "unable to mount [blah blah, gfy, blah blah (no text that would explain the issue]" it says "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock o
[13:15] <LayZ> Well, I typed the command and it gives me nothing interesting apart from a line saying "UDF-fs: No VRS found" and "ISOFS: Unable to identify CD-ROM format."
[13:15] <LayZ> Help would be apreciated
[13:23] <TheSheep> 'the command'?
[13:25] <LayZ> er?
[13:26] <LayZ> the "dnesg | tail"
[13:26] <LayZ> that one
[13:32] <masaca> can somebody help me with a problem?
[13:37] <sloopy> not really, problems are usually best helped when info about the problem is shared...
[13:37] <LayZ> But noone helps me -_-
[13:37] <sloopy> dunno, some people are beyond help... *cough* billy boy *cough*
[13:38] <LayZ> sheesh
[13:39] <sloopy> what format is the usb stick/hdd ?
[13:39] <LayZ> fat
[13:40] <LayZ> or fat32
[13:40] <LayZ> one is fat
[13:40] <LayZ> the other fat32
[13:40] <sloopy> tdo you have vfat support enabled?
[13:40] <LayZ> Erm
[13:40] <sloopy> err installed?
[13:40] <LayZ> And how do i do that :X
[13:40] <LayZ> I don't really know
[13:41] <LayZ> tell me the name of what should i get then
[13:41] <LayZ> I really doubt that I don't have it tho
[13:42] <sloopy> no it should be already in kernel, have you tried mounting manually?
[13:42] <LayZ> Yes
[13:42] <sloopy> and when you try to mount it says?
[13:42] <LayZ> I'll type the command in
[13:42] <LayZ> wait a sec
[13:44] <masaca> can someone help me?
[13:44] <LayZ> type your question
[13:44] <LayZ> it's useless to just ask help
[13:44] <LayZ> with no actual question
[13:44] <masaca> the x button is gone in gnome in the upper right
[13:45] <sloopy> tuse alt-f4 IIRC to close a window?
[13:45] <masaca> but all the buttons are gone in the upper right
[13:46] <masaca> but just in gnome
[13:46] <masaca> so the x button has disappeared
[13:46] <masaca> and the - button
[13:46] <masaca> and the two screens
[13:46] <sloopy> did you change your theme, etc when this happened or is it a random occurance?
[13:47] <masaca> yes its random
[13:47] <sloopy> tbut the title bar is still there?
[13:47] <masaca> yes
[13:48] <masaca> i only can exit programms with the alt button
[13:48] <masaca> alt f4
[13:48] <masaca> or alt b
[13:48] <masaca> and choose exit
[13:48] <sloopy> i am not familiar with GUI issues, i run a bunch of terminals usually, sounds like a corruption some where...
[13:49] <masaca> i think too
[13:49] <masaca> but is there a solution?
[13:49] <sloopy> try changing the theme to see if that helps (you have tried a 120 reset?)
[13:49] <masaca> whats a 120 reset
[13:50] <sloopy> there is a solution to all problems, it just finding it ;')
[13:50] <masaca> 120 reset?
[13:50] <sloopy> 120 reset- shutdown wait 5-10 seconds and restart
[13:50] <masaca> ok
[13:51] <masaca> but i reset my pc often
[13:51] <masaca> and i still have this problem
[13:51] <sloopy> for hardware issues 120 reset involves pulling plug too but that isnt really useful for software issues
[13:51] <LayZ> Ok now I rofl
[13:51] <LayZ> The hdd succesfully mounts
[13:51] <LayZ> manually
[13:51] <LayZ> gonna test the flash
[13:51] <LayZ> :X
[13:52] <masaca> yes, no problems
[13:52] <sloopy> layz, you are using -f vfat correct?
[13:52] <LayZ> Hey this is srsly wicked
[13:52] <LayZ> Now it perfectly boots :X
[13:53] <LayZ> *mounts
[13:53] <LayZ> Go figure what was the problem
[13:53] <LayZ> I don't use -f vfat lol
[13:53] <masaca> can anyone tell me where to go with my problem?\
[13:53] <LayZ> Wait I'll restart it and then try again
[13:53] <LayZ> Masaca
[13:53] <masaca> yes
[13:53] <LayZ> maybe try the ubuntu channel
[13:53] <sloopy> well one day the DWIM OS will be ready for all of use to use...
[13:54] <LayZ> It has moar people
[13:54] <masaca> ok i try that
[13:54] <sloopy> and is more gnome savvy
[13:54] <masaca> thanx
[13:57] <LayZ> Hurr hurr
[13:58] <LayZ> This is really weird
[13:58] <LayZ> I restarted it
[13:58] <LayZ>  and then it didn't auto-mount it
[13:58] <LayZ> but when I mounted it manually
[13:58] <LayZ> It wurkz
[13:58] <LayZ> the automount needs a kickstart lol
[13:58] <LayZ> any ideas why it happens like this ?
[14:08] <Daftpunk> hi
[14:08] <suriro> LayZ: there are some settings about removable media in settings manager...
[14:37] <Error4o4> i am trying to boot the LiveCD but i get  a (initramfs) prompt and nothing happens, any idea?
[14:37] <Error4o4> xubuntu 8.04
[14:40] <Daftpunk> would some1 know how to get to mysql console? or phpmyadmin?
[14:43] <Error4o4> also when trying to install xubuntu i get that command prompt and thats it...
[14:44] <Daftpunk> i have no idea when I installed xubuntu i have not come accross this
[14:45] <Daftpunk> try to run memory test
[14:45] <Error4o4> dont know, but i dont have any luck with *nix systems... always some problems, always...
[14:45] <Error4o4> ok
[14:45] <Daftpunk> can you at least get to the menu
[14:45] <Daftpunk> ?
[14:46] <Error4o4> i get to the first menu, (live, install, memory test,...)
[14:46] <Daftpunk> I'm using linux 2 days altogether so my knowledge on your problem is very limited (NONE WHATSOEVER) :)
[14:47] <Error4o4> btw that command prompt is Debian BusyBox..
[14:47] <Error4o4> ok np
[14:47] <Daftpunk> but initram sounds to me like something with memor
[14:47] <Daftpunk> y
[14:48] <Daftpunk> or is your CD not scratched?
[14:48] <Error4o4> cd is ok, just burned it
[14:49] <Daftpunk> i had a little problem with partitioning
[14:49] <Daftpunk> but once I ran defragmenter it worked fine
[14:49] <Daftpunk> apart from that no other problems
[14:49] <Daftpunk> sorry
[14:50] <Daftpunk> would someone know how can I find out if mysql is running?
[14:51] <Error4o4> ps -aux | grep mysql
[15:01] <suriro> Error4o4: did you try Check CD for defects option?
[15:04] <silverblade> guys, if i do an apt-get dist-upgrade at the commandline this will just upgrade xubuntu wont it? i mean its not going to replace it with ubuntu or anything, right? :D
[15:06] <platyhelminth> Hi, I do not see the other partitions on xubuntu 8.04. How to fix that ?
[15:06] <suriro> silverblade: dont you get a long list of package names and a prompt to press Y/n when you issue that command?
[15:07] <silverblade> I just did it and yes, i do.
[15:07] <silverblade> and i see the xubuntu desktop packages there
[15:07] <silverblade> so i guess im good to go
[15:07]  * silverblade is doing a remote upgrade
[15:07] <suriro> meta package for ubuntu is ubuntu-desktop, otherwise xubuntu-desktop
[15:41] <fnord__> Hi ive used xubuntu before but wasent impressed by the lack of well,everything, toolbars,ease of changing desktop wallpaper,etc etc. has xubuntu gotten any sexyier lately?
[15:53] <fnord__> Would xubuntu be faster then ubuntu if i added a bunch of stuff to it,like konquorer and the KDE main menu bar along with a fe wother things?
[16:21] <jtcdesigns> hello...
[16:27] <cody-somerville> Hi
[16:27] <jtcdesigns> :)
[16:27] <jtcdesigns> so there is life in xubuntu..
[16:28] <cody-somerville> :)
[16:29] <jtcdesigns> you wouldn't just happen to know what to use to setup a mail server would ya?
[16:36] <Error4o4> Just cant boot Live or Install. Does it need a prepartitioned hard disk for that??  always etting into EasyBox..
[16:38] <cody-somerville> Error4o4, Sounds like a bigger problem :(
[16:38] <cody-somerville> jtcdesigns, See the server guide on help.ubuntu.com
[16:38] <jtcdesigns> sweet
[16:38] <jtcdesigns> I tried postfix....
[16:38] <jtcdesigns> that wasn't much success
[16:39] <Error4o4> cody-somerville: can it run the live version if the hard drive is bad? (just an assumption)
[16:40] <cody-somerville> Error4o4, Yes, the hard drive won't affect the live cd.
[16:42] <jtcdesigns> cody-somerville, I tried the link but nothing involving setting up mail or anything really more than basic use of xubuntu
[16:42] <Error4o4> cody-someville: ok, thats what i thought too. cant get anything running except EasyBox... (jut dont have luck with *nix systems... having problems with them as far as i can remember touching one). thx anyway
[16:43] <cody-somerville> Error4o4, I'd ask in #ubuntu
[16:43] <Error4o4> ok
[16:44] <cody-somerville> It sounds like the linux kernel is failing to start or something.
[16:44] <thinkmassive> has anyone else seen the mouse cursor size get stuck at 46? and then only in application windows?
[16:45] <thinkmassive> in 8.04
[16:46] <jtcdesigns> I got a 7.04 box that doesn't show the task bar anymore
[16:46] <thinkmassive> jtcdesigns: the bottom one?
[16:47] <jtcdesigns> yeah
[16:47] <jtcdesigns> just dissapeared one day
[16:47] <thinkmassive> right-click the top one -> Customize panel
[16:47] <thinkmassive> then you can select which panel(s) you want visible, and where
[16:47] <jtcdesigns> if the top one was there I would :D
[16:47] <thinkmassive> oh hah
[16:47] <jtcdesigns> it's odd
[16:47] <thinkmassive> is it auto-hidden?
[16:48] <jtcdesigns> I have 2 of them set up side by side both same settings but one has no task bars
[16:48] <jtcdesigns> if it is auto hidden then it did it on it's own
[16:48] <thinkmassive> side by side?
[16:48] <jtcdesigns> yeah 2 computers
[16:48] <thinkmassive> I mean if you push your cursor to that edge of the screen, does it appear?
[16:48] <jtcdesigns> physically sitting on the floor next to each other
[16:48] <jtcdesigns> ha no
[16:48] <jtcdesigns> seperate monitors seperate computers
[16:48] <jtcdesigns> same distro though and same info on each
[16:49] <thinkmassive> did you try settings -> panel manager?
[16:49] <jtcdesigns> yeah
[16:49] <jtcdesigns> even googled it a while back and decided to just leave it be
[16:49] <thinkmassive> hmm restart X? (ctrl-alt-backspace)
[16:49] <jtcdesigns> it only runs free vmware
[16:49] <jtcdesigns> hmm haven't tried that
[16:49] <thinkmassive> server or player?
[16:49] <jtcdesigns> server
[16:49] <thinkmassive> are you running it in a vm?
[16:50] <thinkmassive> not that it should matter, just curious
[16:50] <jtcdesigns> those are both physical computers running free vmware in them that run 8 VM's each
[16:50] <thinkmassive> wow nice
[16:50] <jtcdesigns> the only purpose for those was to install an app to relay our email from the mail server to our palm phones
[16:51] <jtcdesigns> but we dont use palm now
[16:51] <jtcdesigns> so those computers just sit
[16:52] <jtcdesigns> im thinking of making our second mail server a linux vm instead of a windows server vm
[16:52] <jtcdesigns> not sure which distro I will use though
[16:54] <Error4o4> interesting is that OpenSUSE installs well..  but Xubuntu, FreBSD, BackTrack dont want to.   Athlon XP 1.8GHZ, MSI MB, 80GB, 512MB.
[16:54] <jtcdesigns> I've had an issue like that too
[16:55] <jtcdesigns> fedora does not want to install on one of the computers
[16:55] <Error4o4> jtcdesigns: what you do?
[16:55] <jtcdesigns> thats why I put xubuntu on it
[16:55] <jtcdesigns> :)
[16:56] <Error4o4> hehe lol
[16:58] <jtcdesigns> it's odd but I cant find any info on setting up a mail server on xubuntu
[16:59] <jtcdesigns> I just started to learn drupal so.. that is installed and working fine setting up xubuntu as a LAMP server
[16:59] <jtcdesigns> but now I need mail :(
[16:59] <jtcdesigns> I think google hates me today
[17:01] <cody-somerville> jtcdesigns, It is the same to set it up on Ubuntu
[17:01] <cody-somerville> https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/email-services.html
[17:02] <jtcdesigns> thanks
[17:02] <jtcdesigns> pardon my linux "n00bism"
[17:05] <jtcdesigns> cody-somerville, is somerville the name of a town or last name? if town then you aren't too far from where I am
[17:05] <cody-somerville> It is my last name.
[17:05] <cody-somerville> :)
[17:06] <jtcdesigns> ahh nevermind then
[17:06] <Error4o4> cody-somerville: i see you are the project leader, nice ;)
[17:06] <jtcdesigns> there is a somerville in massashusetts
[17:06] <cody-somerville> :)
[17:30] <emdash> back when 6.06 came out, xfdesktop worked more like thunar
[17:30] <emdash> it had a selction marquee, and i could drag multiple objects around
[17:31] <emdash> and i rememeber that progress bars would be displayed
[17:31] <emdash> if i wanted to copy something
[17:31] <emdash> and then around 7.04 that changed
[17:31] <thinkmassive> I'm trying to get my tablet-pc working with 8.04 but I can't see a wacom device under lsusb or lspci
[17:31] <thinkmassive> any suggestions?
[17:31] <emdash> is it possible to get that behavior back?
[17:32] <emdash> thinkmassive: google for "wacom hardy"
[17:32] <emdash> and see what pops up
[17:32] <thinkmassive> I don't know, I miss being able to select multiple icons by dragging too
[17:32] <thinkmassive> cool, thanks
[17:33] <emdash> look for links from ubuntu forums
[17:33] <thinkmassive> oh, I'm actually already on the hardy wacom page, I just don't see my device anywhere
[17:33] <emdash> ><
[17:33] <emdash> might not be supported then
[17:33] <emdash> don't give up right away
[17:34] <emdash> you sure it shows up under lsusb as a wacom device?
[17:34] <thinkmassive> hmm I'll keep poking around
[17:34] <emdash> what computer to you have/
[17:35] <thinkmassive> thinkpad x61t
[17:35] <emdash> check thinkwiki then
[17:35] <emdash> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki
[17:35] <emdash> find your model number and read its page
[17:37] <emdash> aha!
[17:37] <emdash> your tablet doesn't show up under lsusb because it is a serial device =P
[17:38] <emdash> but apparently supported, the page gives xconfig instructions
[17:38] <emdash> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Wacom_Serial_Tablet_PC_Stylus
[17:39] <thinkmassive> awesome, thanks a lot :)
[17:40] <emdash> you're welcome
[17:43] <radiant> The specifications of the machine the main xubuntu releases.
[17:43] <radiant> What are they ?
[17:50] <jcgrv06> Hello. I installed the xubuntu-desktop package on an ubuntu installation. Now I can choose between desktop environments, but I'd like to remove Gnome. Is there a safe proven way to do so?
[18:04] <cody-somerville> jcgrv06, Safe proven way? no not really.
[18:04] <cody-somerville> But there are tutorials on the web
[18:06] <jcgrv06> Yes, I found some, but it seems are prone to problems. I might just re-install xubuntu from scratch.
[18:54] <silverblade> I've just been doing a remote dist-upgrade on one of my parents machines. half way through, its stopped responding :/ - is it likely to have gone into sleep?
[19:02] <Newb> I have a nvidia card that xubuntu found the drivers for, however how do I ensure hardware acceleration is working?
[19:03] <Newb> the system seems to be very sluggish on my 400 mhz celeron and 128 mb ram
[19:03] <Newb> can my card accelerate xfce?
[19:09] <zoredache> Newb run glxinfo and see see if direct rendering is enabled perhaps
[19:09] <realhans> hi. I want to install xubuntu from my local network. DHCP seems fine configured. But where is the ubuntu/netinstall folder on my cd ?
[19:10] <zoredache> when you say install from your network.  What do you mean?
[19:11] <realhans> install source a local tftp server ...
[19:12] <zoredache> which cd did you download?  Installing via tftp isn't trivial...  You needed the stuff from alternate install cd
[19:12] <zoredache> or you can download the files you need directly
[19:13] <realhans> i aleady have those a diskette ... i just need the image to boot from ...
[19:13] <realhans> which cd .. hmm ...
[19:13] <zoredache> but do you have the right disk is the question... the kernel/initrd that is on your disk may not have what you need
[19:14] <realhans> #define DISKNAME  Xubuntu 8.04 "Hardy Heron" - Release i386
[19:14] <realhans> is it possible to give as source an IP ?
[19:14] <zoredache> unfortunatly I don't know the disk names...
[19:15] <zoredache> what you probably want is just a few files from http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[19:16] <realhans> hmmm ... but this is probably ubuntu, and not xubuntu .... hmmmm ...
[19:16] <zoredache> ubuntu IS xubuntu
[19:16] <zoredache> the only difference is which desktop package that is installed
[19:16] <zoredache> the image that is at that url gives you a cli only system.  From there you need to add whatever desktop enviroment you want
[19:17] <zoredache> or build yourself a preseed file to do all the work
[19:17] <realhans> hmm ....
[19:17] <realhans> i'll try it ;)
[19:18] <zoredache> realhans: also check out the docs at http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[19:18] <zoredache> ack... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Netboot
[19:18] <zoredache> stupid copy+paste!!!
[19:20]  * realhans tries ...
[19:20] <realhans> btw, thank you for you time ...
[19:29] <realhans> I think i need really the ubuntu cd ...not the xubuntu .. :/
[19:42] <Newb> sorry I had to restart, so just in case I missed anything: anyway to ensure xfce is hardware accelerated?
[19:45] <sjefen6> how can i check the md5 of a file in xubuntu? do I need an application?
[19:52] <realhans> where is pxelinux.0 on the cd ?
[19:53] <sjefen6> found it :D md5 <filename> in the terminal
[19:57] <japherwocky> where is the volume mixer by default?
[19:57] <daftpunk> hi everybody
[19:58] <daftpunk> Could any1 help me and tell me how to connect to mysql?
[19:58] <daftpunk> I installed it, left all the passwords blank
[19:59] <japherwocky> you should try #mysql maybe?
[19:59] <daftpunk> but for some reason when i try to run it it's coming up with an error that mysql does not have access rights to the files
[19:59] <daftpunk> that's actually not a bad idea :D
[19:59] <daftpunk> thanks
[19:59] <jtcdesigns> I had that error installing drupal
[20:00] <jtcdesigns> had to give read write permissions to a folder
[20:00] <daftpunk> i'm sure it's just in config
[20:00] <jtcdesigns> not sure if thats the same issue as you though I'd try #mysql
[20:00] <jtcdesigns> yeah
[20:03] <Newb> enabling the compositor seems to have speed up the system
[20:03] <Newb> im guessing its using the gpu more now...
[20:23] <sjefen6> I am trying to install vmware server 2 beta on xubuntu. When I run vmware-install.pl nothing happends. Do I need something spesial to run pearl scripts?
[20:25] <daftpunk> I got a serious question :D lol
[20:25] <daftpunk> Please how can I copy some files to some folder?
[20:27] <daftpunk> getting permission denied
[20:27] <daftpunk> how can I grant permision to write files?
[20:27] <sjefen6> I have to start guessing before asking, I am good at it :P
[20:29] <daftpunk> Anybody please?
[20:29] <daftpunk> I don't know how to change permissions
[20:30] <daftpunk> It only says read only, can't change it
[21:05] <WildChild7> hello there
[21:05] <WildChild7> can anyone tell me a name of an app that can record my voice ?
[21:41] <jcgrv06> WildChild7: On http://xubuntu.wordpress.com they mention PulseAudio and Audacity. I've used Audacity in Windows, it'd do what you want.
[21:48] <WildChild7> jcgrv06: hem
[21:49] <WildChild7> looks like it's not the sound devices but because of my graphic card
[21:49] <WildChild7> I have no driver whatsoever and because of that processor get overloaded and I can't even call with skype
[22:01] <silverblade> ok ive got a xubuntu hardy dist-upgrade (from gutsy) which was interrupted by power being pulled to the machine. how can i cleanly resume?
[22:05] <zoredache> it kinda depends on when the power was pulled
[22:06] <zoredache> if it was still in the package download phase then yes...  If it had started installing packages then things may be broke
[22:06] <zoredache> you can safely try to resume... It shouldn't make things any worse
[22:51] <holyguyver> When I try to use Synaptic I get this message Failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic as user root.Unable to copy the user's Xauthorization file.
[22:54] <zoredache>  don't try to run it as root
[22:54] <holyguyver> I wan't trying to
[22:54] <holyguyver> wasnt
[22:54] <zoredache> how did you try to start it?  from the menu or?
[22:54] <holyguyver> All I did was click on the synaptic icon in the menu
[22:55] <holyguyver> Someone in another room just told me to try sudo chown -R $USER:$USER $HOME to fix this problem
[22:56] <zoredache> I guess you could try that.  It shouldn't hurt anything.  I don't know how it would help.  But then I don't know what is broke.
[22:57] <holyguyver> Alright, I think I know what the problem is
[22:58] <holyguyver> I think it is that I don't have enough space on my harddrive for synaptic to activate because in activation it uses up a few bytes that I do not havew left on my harddrive.
[22:59] <zoredache> ah.  A full hard drive can cause all sorts of weirdness
[22:59] <zoredache> try doing an 'apt-get clean' at the command line to get rid of the package cache
[23:01] <holyguyver> I actually typed in sudo apt-get autoclean
[23:02] <holyguyver> Also one time in the past in the terminal apt told me that in the future I should do some kind of autoremove to get rid of packages I no longer need, but I forgot what the cammand was
[23:03] <zoredache> the command is 'sudo apt-get autoremove'
[23:05] <holyguyver> thanks now it is going to free up over 200MB :)
[23:18] <holyguyver> yeah doing autoremove worked & now synaptic is letting me activate it again, so it was because the harddrive was full
[23:19] <holyguyver> the reason I wanted to get into synaptic was to remove unneeded programs
[23:23] <sirjoebob> hello all... anyone know of a terminal-based ftp program i can download that will be like a terminal version of frostwire, etc
[23:23] <sirjoebob> ?
[23:23] <floating> sudo sh -c 'echo "# VirtualBox repository for Ubuntu Gutsy
[23:23] <floating> deb http://www.virtualbox.org/debian gutsy non-free" \
[23:23] <floating> > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/gutsy-virtualbox.list'
[23:23] <floating> in how many parts should i paste the above ? i cant see where the commands separate
[23:24] <floating> 3 different commands ?
[23:25] <zoredache> floating: it is a single command
[23:25] <floating> ok:o
[23:26] <zoredache> sirjoebob: do you want a p2p client or ftp.  They are different tools
[23:26] <sirjoebob> p2p client... i can believe i typed p2p. i have dumb fingers today
[23:27] <sirjoebob> i meant ftp above...
[23:27] <sirjoebob> again... dumb fingers
[23:27] <TheSheep> frostwire is p2p I think...
[23:27] <TheSheep> anyways, lftp is nice
[23:27] <TheSheep> ncftp too
[23:28] <sirjoebob> i am looking for a cli based program
[23:28] <zoredache> aside from the python bittorrent client I don't know much about cli p2p apps
[23:29] <sirjoebob> ah... i am trying to run a lot of cli apps b/c it makes me feel important (and it is faster).... and p2p would be nice
[23:34] <teh_b00nei> I'm having a problem and I've hit the end of my knowledge. I've only been using ubuntu about six months.  I've got ubuntu 6.10-server on a box, it's been runnig as a lamp stack with an eggdrop. I decided to use it as a proxy box to protect my windows box and kill ads.
[23:35] <teh_b00nei> I've physically installed the second NIC, but networking is down, of course I went to ##networking first, but I was told it's a hardware/driver issue. So... How do I fix a drivier issue?
[23:36] <zoredache> teh_b00nei: if your network card isn't supported by the running kernel you usually have to either compile a new kernel, patch support for the hardware into the kernel, or build a module
[23:36] <zoredache> what you do somewhat depends on if you can find a patch, or the source for a module for that nic
[23:38] <teh_b00nei> Okay, google told me that the module 'tg3' would run it.
[23:40] <zoredache> I bet you alread have the tg3 installed...  run a command like the following to confirm - find /lib/modules/`uname -r` -name 'tg3*'
[23:41] <zoredache> by the way, why do you think the nic didn't get detected?
[23:41] <psyco> hey
[23:42] <zoredache> if you run a command like 'ip addr' do you see both ethernet devices?
[23:42] <teh_b00nei> I'm nopt sure what you mean. It shows up in lspci/
[23:42] <psyco> is there a way to install xubuntu without booting a desktop??
[23:42] <zoredache> psyco: use the alternate cd, or the mini.iso
[23:42] <psyco> Thanks
[23:42] <teh_b00nei> yes, 'ip addr' shows lo, eth0, eth1, and sit0.
[23:44] <zoredache> so that would indicate your computer has detected both nics... now you just have to get them configured properly
[23:44] <zoredache> being a cli guy I would edit the /etc/network/interfaces file directly
[23:44] <teh_b00nei> this box doesn't have a gui, so yay.
[23:46] <teh_b00nei> ah, thoguht I remembered that file, I already did that. I added eth1, static, with a good IP and the same settings as eth0.
[23:46] <zoredache> so you said you where trying to setup a proxy right?  you have each interface on a seperate subnet right?
[23:47] <teh_b00nei> Um, but as an aside, do you happen to know how to get it to quit telling me '[54066.<rand>] eth1: mismatched read page pointers 4c vs c6'
[23:47] <teh_b00nei> Uh... No. But only one has a cable to it.
[23:48] <zoredache> that error seems like a bug in the driver
[23:49] <zoredache> so was your computer working before you updated your /etc/network/interfaces and setup the second nic?
[23:49] <teh_b00nei> It hasn't done anything right since I physically installed the second NIC.
[23:50] <zoredache> perhaps you have a nic that doesn't like your motherboard or is somehow conflicting with the rest of the hardware
[23:51] <teh_b00nei> Maybe I put the wrong driver on it?
[23:52] <teh_b00nei> If I just take out the second nic, will it clean everything up and forget all the dumb things I probably did?
[23:52] <teh_b00nei> that would be nice.
[23:53] <zoredache> taking the nic out will not undo any changes you made to the /etc/network/interfaces
[23:54] <zoredache> but after you undo what you did thinks should start working again
[23:54] <teh_b00nei> Okay. start fresh then.