/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/05/08/#kubuntu-devel.txt

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yuriythe upgrade to 4.0.4 seems to have made things quite a bit more buggy02:05
JontheEchidnaregressions by my count are: bug 227932, bug 227919, bug 227914, and bug 22790402:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 227932 in ktorrent-kde4 "Ktorrent-kde4 crashes after shutdown of closing" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22793202:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 227919 in kdebase-kde4 "[Konqueror 4.0.4, regression] Widgets inside webpages render incorrectly" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22791902:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 227914 in kdebase-kde4 "buttons missing in konqueror kde4" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22791402:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 227904 in kdebase-workspace "KDE4 login screen is missing background (regression: 4.0.4)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22790402:08
JontheEchidnaoh, 227909, not 22791402:09
yuriyi'm getting funky behavior with konqueror toolbars, pidgin froze and firefox won't launch (don't know if those are related), some systray icons have artifacts02:09
JontheEchidnaPidgin and firefox work fine here, but everything else seems to fit in line with the above bug reports02:10
yuriyalt+f2 doesn't work (already ran kded4 manually)02:10
yuriylock screen and switch user dont' work02:10
* JontheEchidna can run alt+f2 fine02:10
JontheEchidnaand switch user/lock screen02:10
JontheEchidnaIs krunner running?02:10
yuriyooh more upgrades.. maybe i just didn't get everything because of mirror lag02:11
JontheEchidnamaybe02:11
yuriymit didn't have it at all so i switched to us02:11
JontheEchidnaus archive is being sloooow for the past few days02:12
JontheEchidnade had mirror lag this morning so I switched back to us02:12
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yuriyok upgrading seems to have fixed some of the problems02:30
JontheEchidnaRight about now I'm thinking "I'm glad I'm not using Konqueror right about now"02:43
JontheEchidnaI'm guessing that we're running into all of these regressions because the devs aren't using a 4.0.x environment02:47
JontheEchidnanighty-night03:29
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Tm_Tfrom where do you get your unsermake in Hardy?06:06
nixternalTm_T: what needs unsermake?07:01
nixternaliirc unsermake was removed a release or 2 back07:01
Tm_Tnixternal: KDE3 does use it on build, right?07:05
Tm_Tatleast I do with it07:06
nixternalit shouldn't be using it..I thought we removed anything related to unsermake a while back07:07
Tm_Twell upstream didn't?07:07
* Tm_T is building svn07:07
nixternalkde 4 svn?07:08
Tm_Tkde3 svn07:08
nixternalyou can use the autotools for it07:08
Tm_Tkde4 is later today07:08
nixternalyou don't unsermake for it07:08
Tm_Tnixternal: I can, but unsermake works better, IIRC07:08
nixternaldon't need*07:08
Tm_Tindeed it does work better with it07:10
nixternalhttp://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/u/unsermake/07:11
nixternalthought we dropped it..it has been gone since Dapper07:11
nixternalI remember doing some conversions back then07:11
nixternaliirc it was in the kdeonbeta stuff07:11
Tm_Tyeh, I grabbed unsermake from gutsy (it was there without proper dependencies)07:11
nixternalya, we use autotools for kde3 building07:13
Tm_TI didn't even notice that07:14
* Tm_T shames07:14
* apachelogger shames for using autotools07:16
nixternalwhat would you use then for KDE 3 building?07:17
nixternalsurely not unsermake07:17
Tm_Tnixternal: why not?07:28
nixternalfrom what I remember of it, besides it being unmaintained and archaic, it was a pita at times07:29
Tm_Thmm, interesting07:32
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Nightroseyuriy: i have artifacts in the systray as well08:28
nixternalyou have to nix your plasma configs for that Nightrose08:36
nixternalplasmarc you might be fine keeping, but it is the other plasma config in there08:36
Nightrosehmm ok will try later08:37
Nightrosethanks08:37
Nightrosenixternal: meh that is the one with all my applets?08:38
Nightrosei would hate to nix that08:38
Nightroseyou don't happen to know a less intrusive way? ;-)08:38
nixternalya08:38
nixternalnope08:38
Nightrose:/08:39
Nightroseok08:39
nixternalya to the one with all of the applets and nope to a less intrusive way08:39
Nightrose;-)08:39
* nixternal beds08:44
nixternalg'nite08:44
Nightrosek'nite08:45
ligemegetnight? I'm in school!09:01
Nightrosehmmm nixternal that didn't help :(09:08
Nightrosewas still messed up after deleting plasma-appletsrc so i restored my old one09:08
Nightrosehttps://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/extragear-plasma/+bug/228123 <- if someone feels like looking into it...09:28
ubottuLaunchpad bug 228123 in extragear-plasma "[regression KDE 4.0.4] painting problems with icons in system tray" [Undecided,New]09:28
Nightrosehmm and my kopete crashes when i close a message window...09:28
Nightrosecananyone reproduce that?09:29
RiddellArby: yes kdevelop should be merged, the kde 4 version is a long way off I believe11:16
Riddellstdin: uploaded a debdiff for kde4libs/qt4.4 where?11:17
Riddellstdin: got it, thanks11:19
NightroseRiddell: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kopete/+bug/22812911:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 228129 in kopete "[regression KDE 4.0.4] Kopete crashes when closing message window" [Medium,Confirmed]11:21
Nightrosekopete is the b0rked :(11:21
Riddelljdavies: replace the kde 3 version11:21
\shNightrose, it's since the beginning of kopete ,)11:23
Nightrose:P11:23
Nightrosewell it always worked pretty nicely for me...11:23
\shNightrose, never for me properly...regarding xmpp things...11:25
Nightrose:/11:25
RiddellNightrose: tried asking upstream?11:26
NightroseRiddell: not yet - will do11:26
NightroseRiddell: upstream is on it - will keep you posted11:51
Riddellgroovy11:56
jdaviesvorian: "replace the kde 3 version"12:18
Riddell_Sime: what's the current state of pykde in kdebindings like?  good to package?12:27
awen_Riddell: i simply can't get g-p-m for kde4 to compile ... finally got my intrepid pbuilder up and running, but still no luck; neither using cmake directly or using the rules-file from kdebase-kde4 as a base12:34
Riddellawen_: when happens when you run cmake?12:35
awen_Riddell: still get the same error: Unknown CMake command "macro_optional_find_package" ... and has simply no idea how to make it go away12:36
Riddellawen_: oh, are you trying to compile just g-p-m?12:37
Riddellawen_: you need to compile kdereview12:37
Riddellsvn checkout -N svn+ssh://jriddell@svn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/kdereview12:37
Riddellcd kdereview12:38
Riddellsvn update guidance-power-manager12:38
Riddellmkdir build12:38
Riddellcd build12:38
awen_Riddell: uh ... then no wonder everything fails12:38
Riddellcmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr/lib/kde4 ..12:38
Riddellmake12:38
Riddellsudo make install12:38
awen_at least that gave me another error ... thanks a lot12:47
Riddellawen_: what's the error?12:51
awen_it's compiling one of the plasma applets, that errors out on me (probably misses some dependencies) ... is is possible to tell cmake to only compile g-p-m?12:54
apacheloggerawen_: that is what Riddell told you12:54
apachelogger-N will checkout non-recoursive12:54
apacheloggersvn update will get g-d-m12:54
apacheloggerthen you create a build subdir in _kdereview_12:55
apacheloggerwhich then will only build g-d-m12:55
larsiviTried to upgrade to 8.04, but got this http://tango.pastebin.com/m678be80a - konq wouldn't start at "report bug" - tried twice12:56
awen_apachelogger: oh ... didn't see the -N12:56
jtechidnalarsivi: That means that the server is down/insanely slow12:57
jtechidnaYou can try changing mirrors12:57
jtechidnaAdept-> Manage repositories12:57
jtechidnaThen on the first tab There should be a "Download from:" option12:59
jtechidnaHit "Other" in the combobox12:59
jtechidnaand select a different server, like the german one13:00
NightroseRiddell: fix for the kopete crash: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16176913:03
ubottuKDE bug 161769 in general "kopete causes a sigserv when closing chat window" [Crash,Resolved: fixed]13:03
Nightrosethat was fast...13:03
larsivijtechidna: hmm, same happens with de.archive.ubuntu - could this be a firewall problem? is non-standard ports used anywhere in the process?13:10
jtechidnaIt's standard http, so probably not...13:10
jtechidnaSure the internet connection is ok on your end?13:10
jtechidnaoh, well I suppose it must be ok if we're talking on an internet chat13:11
* jtechidna is tired13:11
apachelogger+113:11
larsivijtechidna: 'k - thanks, will try again at home13:13
mhbafternoon13:41
Riddellhi mhb13:42
Riddellsladen here was muttering about borrowing some floor space in prague during UDS13:42
mhbI don't understand13:45
mhbdo you need something from me?13:46
Riddellmhb: you have floor space in prague?13:46
mhbfloor space as in?13:47
mhbno warehouse13:47
Riddellmhb: somewhere to sleep13:47
mhbah right, a spare bed I do have13:48
Hobbseesladen would probably take teh floor, quite happily.13:58
Hobbseemhb: although, be wary of sladen and fridges, and such.13:58
seeleRiddell: are there desktop meetings from now to UDS?13:59
Riddellseele: there's one about to start13:59
Riddellwon't be next week, or at least I'll be on a train14:00
mhbif he's fine with sleeping on the edge of town in a big family house, it's ok14:08
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seelewhen you update a kernel, is adept supposed to tell you to reboot? (i think i might have asked this question before..)14:31
Riddellseele: yes, it should popup an icon in the system tray14:34
seelehmm.. i wonder what i did to break that (and it it has happened to anyone else)14:38
Riddellseele: do you have adept_notifier running?14:38
seelei thought maybe i missed it, but there have been two kernel updates this week and there were no reboot suggestions14:38
seeleyeah14:38
Riddellseele: do you have /var/run/reboot-required and /var/lib/update-notifier/dpkg-run-stamp ?14:40
seelenope14:40
seelehow long have those been around?  i've been doing updates since feisty14:41
Riddellthose files would be installed by the updated linux package if it thought a reboot was required14:41
seeleoh, i do have dpkg-run-stamp, just not reboot-required14:41
Riddellpossibly one isn't?14:41
seelemaybe, i dunno. maybe it was a different problem14:42
seeleafter both updates this week, something ate 100% of memory and swap14:42
seeleand i noticed both updates were kernel updates14:42
seelemaybe they were just really big and something else did it14:43
seelei dont care if it's just my goofy computer, but it would suck if a lot of users had this problem14:43
seelebecause they will blame hardy for being slow instead of some other problem14:43
Riddellnot using firefox are you?14:44
seelenope, that's what i originally thought the problem was but i didn't use it between the first and second update14:44
seeleman.. being nontechnical is pretty useless14:46
seelei have no idea how to figure out if its just my own dumb fault or if there's something wonky going on14:47
Riddellseele: no update should start eating 100% of memory and swap14:52
Riddell(occationally they should stop it though)14:52
Riddellseele: how do you know they ate 100% of memory and swap?14:52
seelei looked at the memory graph in kinfocenter14:54
seelewith my normal stuff running (kopete, konsole, kontact, 2-3 open office docs, konq) i'm using about 50-70% total memory (no swap)14:55
seeleafter i did the update this morning.. stuff started running slow again and the graphs said physical and swap were 100% used14:55
Nightrosere from shopping15:38
NightroseRiddell: is anyone looking into the dos problem of kopete?15:39
Nightrosei am pondering taking care of the tab problem15:39
RiddellNightrose: not currently, feel free to make debdiffs and test15:40
Nightroseok will give it a try15:40
Artemis_Fowlseele: when will you be available today?15:50
seeleArtemis_Fowl: in about 10-15 minutes as long as my phone call doesn't run over15:52
Artemis_Fowlseele: ok. tell me when you are ready15:53
Tm_Tyay, Ubuntu Finland was awarded as "Linux contributor of the year" in Finland <316:11
Nightrose\o/ nice16:11
seeleArtemis_Fowl: ping16:12
Artemis_Fowlseele: pong16:13
Artemis_Fowlseele: concerning the second page,16:13
seeleok16:13
Artemis_FowlI am not sure about some options16:13
Artemis_Fowleg enable ACPI16:13
seeleabout whether they should be there or what they are?16:13
Artemis_FowlI think this option is a kernel argument16:14
Artemis_Fowlboth :)16:14
Artemis_Fowlwhere did you find them?16:14
seeleok.. so does that mean it is specific to the OS?16:14
seeleother GRUB uis including the last one designed16:14
Artemis_Fowly16:14
Artemis_Fowlat least I think so16:14
Artemis_FowlMandriva's ui?16:15
seelemight have been the suse one.  i only had screenshots16:15
seeleso instead it would be in your add/edit wizard?16:15
Artemis_Fowly if I'm right16:15
seeleok no problem16:15
Artemis_Fowllet me check the suse's one. currently I am on opensuse16:16
seelethat probably applies to a lot of those options, now that i'm looking at it16:17
seelesuch as debugging and selinux support16:17
seeledoes it make sense to configure all that stuff in a wizard?  it might be annoying to have to go through the process every time you want to make a change16:18
seelecould you select the OS from a list and then show the relevant options?16:18
Artemis_Fowlyes it must apply to other options, too16:20
Artemis_FowlI didn't really get your last question, though16:20
seelecurrently, the only way to configure os-specific options is to use your wizard16:22
seelebut for an advanced user, wouldnt it be annoying to have to go through the process all the time just to configure one option?16:22
DaSkreechhi seele16:22
Artemis_Fowlyes indeed16:22
* DaSkreech waves at Tm_T 16:22
Tm_TNightrose: including money prize16:22
Tm_TDaSkreech: hi hi son16:22
Tm_T:))16:23
seeleso as an alternate, could you select the operating system from a drop down and have it show/enable os-specific options to configure?16:23
NightroseTm_T: wohooo - even nicer ;-)16:23
seelee.g. if SE Linux support is installed and you select OpenSuse, provide an option to turn it on or off16:23
seeleDaSkreech: hihi16:23
Artemis_Fowlhmm16:24
Artemis_Fowlthen it shouldn't be under Boot Options16:25
seeleyeah16:25
seeleprobably a separate tab16:25
seeleunder operating systems16:25
* Artemis_Fowl has to find a way to quick-edit entry attributes....16:25
seelei dont think there would be enough room under the list to add it16:25
seeleif it will take a lot of work, for now, you could just put it in the wizard and work on it for the next release16:26
Artemis_Fowlyep16:26
seeleactually, it would probably be in both places anyway16:26
seelebecause when you create a new entry, you would want to configure those options during the wizard16:26
seeleit's just that you dont want people to have to use the wizard every time they want to tweak an option or look something up16:27
Artemis_Fowlwhat if all possible entry attributes (title, root,kernel, SELinux etc) could be edited from a single window without documentation?16:27
Artemis_Fowlw8 to find a screenshot16:27
Artemis_Fowlseele: like in the old wireframes: http://obso1337.org/hci/grub/GRUB_Wireframes_Dec_17.pdf16:29
Artemis_Fowlpage 216:29
seelein a popup menu instead of in a tab?16:30
seeleer, new dialog16:30
Artemis_Fowlyes16:30
Artemis_Fowlwould that be fine?16:30
seelewhere would you put the button to open the dialog?16:31
Artemis_Fowlthe dialog would be called from a Quick-Edit button next to Add/Edit/Remove buttons16:31
seelehmm.. the only problem is we already have 5 buttons, and i'm not even sure if they will all fit after translation16:32
Artemis_FowlEdit pops up the full Assistant which is documented and offers detailed configuration and Quick Edit only this dialog16:32
seeleyeah, i dont think two edit buttons is a good idea16:32
seelewhat if there was only one edit, and it was the dialog with all the options16:33
seeleand you only get the wizard for add?16:33
Artemis_Fowlthe Edit button could have a popup menu with the items "Full Edit" and "Quick Edit"16:34
Artemis_Fowlor something like this16:34
Artemis_FowlI wouldn't like to remove the Full Edit mode16:34
seeleitems as in buttons to more dialogs? or two tabs?16:35
Artemis_Fowlwhen you click the Edit button a menu pops up at the bottom of it like Suggestions'16:36
Artemis_Fowl'Suggestions' button in the wizard*16:36
seeleyeah, i dont know about that16:36
seeleit sounds lot more complicated than it needs to be16:37
seeleand it doesnt act like any of the other system setting modules16:37
Artemis_Fowlactually it is not complicated. simply when the user clicks the Edit button he will have to choose whether to use the full-blown assistant or the quick edit dialog16:39
Artemis_Fowlbut indeed it is no common practice16:39
Artemis_Fowlbut I have no other ideas atm16:40
seeleshort term just put all the options in the wizard and we can figure out how to break them out later16:40
seelei dont like the idea of having to go three screens deep just to find a configuration option16:40
Artemis_Fowlok16:41
dinosaur-rushi17:21
Artemis_Fowlseele: one good reason to include the "Full Edit" option is that some entry attributes such as maps cannot be edited through the Quick-Edit dialog17:22
Artemis_Fowlseele: they wouldn't fit17:22
Artemis_Fowlseele: and map support is vital. I had way too many requests for such a feature to ignore it17:23
Artemis_Fowlseele: it is necessary for Windows dual-booting when Windows isn't on a master hard disk17:23
dinosaur-ruswho is a maintainer of Qt4 packages?17:25
Riddelldinosaur-rus: we are17:26
dinosaur-rusRiddell: well, since Qt 4.4 Assistant uses ("by default") new help format, I think it'd be a good idea to put old HTML docs into separate package as keeping the docs in both formats seems to be wasting of disk space17:28
Riddellfabo: what do you think of ^^ ?17:28
nixternalNightrose: you can mv ~/.kde4 somewhere and then log back in to KDE 4...guarantee everything works then :)17:50
Nightrosenixternal: will try after i fixed kopete ;-)17:51
DaSkreechkopete r brok?17:54
Nightrosejep big time unfortunately for me17:58
DaSkreechwhat's it doing?17:59
Nightrosetab handeling is broken in 4.0.4 and it constantly crashes on me due to http://commit-digest.org/issues/2008-04-20/moreinfo/798338/ i assume18:02
DaSkreechHmm18:02
Nightrosefixed package building now in pbuilder18:02
* Nightrose crosses fingers18:02
DaSkreechI installed 4.0.4 last night the apt-cache policy says 4.0.4 all the apps say 4.0.318:02
Nightroseyea known problem18:03
DaSkreechBut koepte was crashing like krazy in 4.0.3 for me so lets see if that changes18:03
Nightrosehehe18:03
DaSkreechnear 70% of the time I shutdown jut clicking that buton made kopete crash18:03
NightroseoO18:04
DaSkreechor if I sent someone a file and they decided not to accept (that happens more than I remember) it would crash18:04
Nightroseyou shouldn't send so many files then :P18:04
DaSkreechNo people just should accept them :-P18:05
Nightrose;-)18:05
* nixternal kicks archive.ubuntu.com right in its arse!18:26
Nightroseheh tell me about it...18:27
DaSkreech12 k /s :-(18:29
nixternal0k/s18:30
nixternalit doesn't even work for me18:30
smarter239kB/s :p18:32
smarterhint: use a different mirror18:32
nixternalI am using mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu now18:49
smarterRiddell: "   * Remove build-dep on libdvdread" << does that mean that k3b can no longer burn/extract DVD?18:49
nixternalI get anywhere between 1MB/s to 2MB/s18:49
Riddellsmarter: libdvdread3 has always been in universe as far as I know18:50
smarterRiddell: so k3b was not really built with it?18:50
Riddellsmarter: it never has been18:53
DaSkreechk3b is in work for 4.1 I think18:53
smarterok, thanks18:53
nixternalmanchicken: your KDE/Qt Perl bindings issues may be a thing of the past...I have interested a couple of people from the PerlMongers group to work on them18:54
nixternalone of this is Josh if you ever met him, he is the new PR person for the Perl Foundation18:54
nixternals/this/them18:55
manchickenOoh?18:55
manchickenThat would be nice.18:55
manchickenJosh McAdams?18:55
nixternalya18:55
manchickenYeah, I used to work with him.  Top-notch guy.18:55
manchickenOne of the best folks to know.18:55
nixternalgroovy, so you trust his work then18:55
manchickenWithout question.18:56
nixternalnice...well if you are interested, maybe you could talk to him about it and what not..as I believe you have tried playing with the bindings18:56
nixternalI got to meet those guys at Flourish..they all came in for my KDE 4 talk, and I complained during the plasmoid talk about Perl bindings and what not :)18:57
nixternalsee, crying does help!18:57
manchickenThe fundamental problem is tying Perl to C++ with Qt templates.18:57
nixternalI think it is high time I go back and try to relearn Perl the correct way...do you recommend any books for this (O'Reilly since they are free for me?)18:58
manchickenLearning Perl is a good one.19:00
nixternalk19:00
manchickenI learned Perl with Emacs and the pocket reference.19:00
nixternalthat's cuz you are insane19:00
nixternalyou obviously had no life before meeting your wife :p19:00
nixternalI'm a poet and dun even know it19:00
DaSkreechemacs \o/19:00
DaSkreechnixternal: Funny neither do we :)19:01
manchickenUm... most geeks don't.19:01
nixternalI am going to the Cubs game tomorrow, so I have a bit of a life :)19:02
nixternalmy brother's new nickname is "Hollywood"19:02
manchickenYou're not a very good geek then.19:02
nixternalhe got us setup at the Skydeck on Sheffield19:02
nixternaland we are traveling via limo19:02
nixternalall free! food and drink included!19:02
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nixternalgranted from the skydeck the players will look like ants, but the food and drink will be good :)19:03
* nixternal hopes they have something other than budweiser, miller, and old style19:03
DaSkreechWho really goes to baseball to see the players?19:03
* nixternal does19:03
nixternalI love baseball19:03
manchickenSorry, Cubs aren't worth that much money.19:04
DaSkreechfree? :)19:05
nixternalCubs are my heros19:05
manchickenYou have losers as heros?  That explains a lot :P19:05
nixternalto the world series they go!19:05
manchickenAnd by world series, you mean they go to the cubby bear to watch two other teams play?19:06
nixternalI was raised a Detroit Tigers and Chicago Cubs fan...but I enjoy the national league more because they make the pitchers bat19:06
nixternalmanchicken: come on, this is the 100 year anniversary...the world series is in the bag19:06
nixternalyou know that MLB has already set it up19:06
manchickenYeah... the body bag.19:06
nixternalwe have Fukudome, and no I didn't just cuss and it isn't pronounced like it looks either19:07
nixternalstill the funniest was the lady on CBS Chicago who pronounced it Fuk u do me19:08
nixternaland not fooka dome a19:08
DaSkreechnixternal: Cubby hole fans must love her19:08
nixternalthere is no better game or stadium19:09
DaSkreechBirdsNest19:09
nixternalI mean for a team that does so bad, season tickets are always sold out in advance19:09
nixternalI like sitting up though at the game, don't like the box seats down either 1st base or 3rd base lines....line drives and broken bats are dangerous19:10
Riddellapachelogger, Czessi: anyone ordered kubuntu-kde4 CDs for linuxtag?19:37
DaSkreechhi jjesse19:38
CzessiRiddell: yes, juliux ordered 2000 kubuntu cds for linuxtag via torsten spindler19:38
CzessiRiddell: kde3 and kde419:39
Riddelltorsten spindler? not sure what he has to do with CDs but ok19:40
CzessiRiddell: i asked again. juliux ordered kde3 and kde4 via tetet, shipit and canonical marketing. cds will be send directly to ,esse berlin19:45
CzessiRiddell:  ,esse berlin => messe berlin => masses berlin19:47
jjessehello DaSkreech19:48
RiddellCzessi: groovy19:51
_Simesebas: ping19:58
seeleok!  done with meetings for the day and one more day till the weekend20:03
* seele falls over. it was a rough week.20:03
* Riddell puts soft matt under where seele is falling onto20:07
seelea blankie would be nice too!20:08
ArbyRiddell: I'm strugggling to build kdevelop binary. any idea what would cause http://paste.ubuntu.com/11005/20:11
Arbysomething wrong in the configure file related to libtool20:11
Arbybut it's above my skill level20:11
Arbyas an aside, has anybody had success getting an intrepid pbuilder to work.20:14
ArbyI tried a few days ago without success20:14
RiddellArby: hrm, tricky.  tried make -f admin/Makefile.common ?20:15
Arbytrying20:15
Riddellor better, make -f debian/rules buildprep20:16
RiddellArby: can't say I have, chroot only20:16
Arbyfirst one is running20:16
Arbyfair enough, just curious20:16
ArbyRiddell: debian/patches/common has a script update.sh that automatically updates some patches regarding libtool and autotools20:17
ArbyI've run this script20:17
Arbyjust wondering if that's the problem20:17
Riddellcould be20:18
Arbymake -f admin/Makefile.common completes without errors20:18
Arbysuggests running ./configure, should I follow on or try make -f debian/rules buildprep20:19
Riddellgo with make -f debian/rules buildprep20:20
Arbyok20:20
LaserJocknixternal: ping?20:21
ArbyRiddell: make -f debian/rules buildprep goes to completion, what's next?20:23
RiddellArby: debuild ?20:24
Arbyok20:24
LaserJockdoes anybody know if there's a package for ksynaptics? I thought there was but I can't find it now20:25
ArbyRiddell: sorry for all the neophyte questions, still learning20:25
seele|Artemis_Fowl|: did you have any more questions about the wireframes?20:26
|Artemis_Fowl|seele: I will. but I have to code a little. it's about 1-2 weeks since I last coded20:27
|Artemis_Fowl|seele: I need my code dose :-)20:28
|Artemis_Fowl|seele: is there a reason why 'Make Fallback' is on the left of 'Make Default' and not vice versa?20:32
seele|Artemis_Fowl|: typo, i forgot to put it there.. which brings up the problem of not having any space to put it20:35
smarter_Riddell: could you please upload desktop-effects-kde?20:35
seeleoh wait.. i misunderstood your question20:35
seele|Artemis_Fowl|: no, there was no reason why i ordered it that way20:36
|Artemis_Fowl|seele: ok I'll put Default first20:36
|Artemis_Fowl|seele: it sounds more reasonable to me20:36
Riddellsmarter_: I don't have time to package it currently, do you have it as a package?20:36
seele|Artemis_Fowl|: sure, i dont think it makes a difference either way20:37
smarter_Riddell: sure, let me do a bzr builddeb ;)20:37
|Artemis_Fowl|seele: y. mere details...20:37
ArbyRiddell: I think that's got it. still building but gone further than before20:38
RiddellArby: great20:38
Arbygot a sec to explain what that that command did20:38
|Artemis_Fowl|seele: btw, in the Wireframes you include a Defaults button (from the SystemSettings)20:38
|Artemis_Fowl|seele: turning on/off these buttons is possible20:39
|Artemis_Fowl|seele: should I make use of such a button?20:39
|Artemis_Fowl|seele: there are no *defaults*20:39
seele|Artemis_Fowl|: i thought any time a kernel was updated the GRUB config was updated20:40
|Artemis_Fowl|seele: and so?20:41
seele|Artemis_Fowl|: that should be the Default?20:41
seelethe purpose of the Defaults button is a "factory restore" of whatever options for that module20:42
jjessedoes the "defaults" work?20:42
seelein most cases, that is the original configuration file, but in this case it would be the updated config from the package update20:42
jjessei thought it just reset to the last change from when you opened up the system setting20:42
smarter_Riddell: here it is: http://smarter.free.fr/pkg/20:42
|Artemis_Fowl|seele: ah ok. can restore to the original config20:43
seelejjesse: i'm pretty sure its supposed to be a factory reset, and lots of people were confused because they thought it was a last saved20:43
|Artemis_Fowl|seele: a backup is taken the very first time20:43
seele|Artemis_Fowl|: ok good.  i believe that is what the Defaults button is for20:43
jjesseseele: i would argue they don't always work that way then20:43
seelejjesse: probably not20:43
jjesseat least on my system20:43
* |Artemis_Fowl| never uses the Defaults button20:43
seelei dont know which modules use it correctly or not, i just know what the Defaults button is supposed to do20:44
jjessei used the default button because i thoght they brought them back to the original Kubuntu configuratoin20:44
jjesseand stoped as soon as i realized they didn't20:44
seelebecause no one knew it wasn't a Load Last Save20:44
seelehum.. maybe it was changed in kubuntu then?20:44
seelethis was a discussion for probably 2 years ago with kde-usability20:44
nixternalLaserJock: pong?20:45
smarter_Riddell: uh wait, I put hardy instead of intrepid20:47
RiddellI can fix that20:47
smarter_okay, thanks20:48
Riddellsmarter_: looks good otherwise, uploading20:48
smarter_I'll just fix it in the bzr branch20:48
* _Sime just saw the "printer setup" bubble thingy in hardy. WAY COOL!21:00
LaserJocknixternal: nvm, I was trying to figure out how to adjust touchpad prefrences in KDE but I ended up just editing xorg.conf anyway21:00
LaserJocknixternal: Kubuntu's rockin' my socks off today. First time I've tried it on Hardy21:01
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smarter_Riddell: If you have some time, kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts is also ready for upload: http://smarter.free.fr/pkg/kks21:21
nixternalhttp://chi.ubuntu-us.org/21:37
nixternalcheck out my pimpin' monitor on the right21:38
nixternalincluded KDE 4 and KDE 3 images in it21:38
DaSkreechwith compiz!21:42
DaSkreechWould the new Vbox come in backports?21:50
crimsunit hasn't entered intrepid yet21:52
DaSkreechok21:52
nixternalDaSkreech: you can grab the new vbox for hardy from their website21:54
jjessenice monitor nixternal21:58
DaSkreechnixternal: I missed that I only saw a tarball22:03
Arbywoo, kdevelop built successfully at last :)22:04
Nightrosehmmm anyone who can tell me what is wrong with my pbuilder? http://lydiapintscher.de/tmp/kopete.txt22:08
stdinNightrose: not pbuilder, Qt4.4. doesn't seem to set QT_QT_INCLUDE_DIR, you need to pass "-DQT_QT_INCLUDE_DIR=/usr/include/qt4" to cmake22:09
stdinshould be something for it in the debian/rules file22:10
Nightrosestdin: hmmm ok... why does this compile without my patch?22:10
Nightrose(i assume it does since it is in the archive)22:10
stdinNightrose: because it was compiled against Qt4.3?22:10
Nightrosehmmmmpf22:11
Nightrosefun22:11
Nightrosethx stdin22:11
nixternalhttp://tv.timbormans.com <- that is pretty cool...it is a youtube + last.fm mashup...enter your last.fm username at top, and it will play the videos to your songs22:11
jjessethat's cool22:11
Nightrosestdin: so what to do? i have a debdiff but have no idea if it works or not - should i try to make it compile against Qt4.4?22:12
stdinNightrose: if it's going to go into hardy-backports or intrepid, then you don't have much choice22:13
Nightroseok thx22:13
Nightroseand i thought once a patch was going to be simple... :P22:14
DaSkreechIntrepid will be based solely on trunk and not the 4.0 branch correct?22:14
stdinNightrose: add "-DQT_QT_INCLUDE_DIR=/usr/include/qt4" to DEB_CMAKE_EXTRA_FLAGS in debian/rules if it's using cdbs22:14
Nightrosewill try22:14
RiddellDaSkreech: 4.122:14
Riddell_Sime: wooga22:14
DaSkreechRiddell: Yes Sorry :) but there isn't a 4.1 branch yet so till then it will be tracking trunk ?22:16
DaSkreechand not have any of the 4.0 branch ?22:17
RiddellDaSkreech: right22:18
DaSkreechCool22:19
DaSkreechnixternal: what's the likelihood of ars running a Kubuntu review alongside an Ubuntu ?22:20
* Riddell wonders how nixternal would know22:21
nixternalDaSkreech: I can make a couple of calls, about all I can do22:21
nixternalour KDE insider is pretty much KDE, but I can talk to Flav for some pull on a Kubuntu article22:21
* Nightrose hugs stdin 22:23
Nightroselooks like it is working now22:23
stdin:)22:23
Nightroselet's see if I get a package... ;-)22:23
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Nightrosehmm nope - kget doesn't want to play nice22:28
nixternalkget plays nice for me :p22:29
DaSkreechRiddell: Maybe you canhelp. What do I need to get my sound hardware to turn up in System Settings -> Sound22:29
Nightrosenixternal: haha then tell me how i can make it play nice here as well ;-) http://lydiapintscher.de/tmp/kopete.txt22:31
CzessiNightrose: pls send me your .diff.gz and .dsc22:36
NightroseCzessi: k - will upload them in a sec22:37
Czessiok22:37
NightroseCzessi: http://lydiapintscher.de/tmp22:39
Czessithx22:40
Nightrose:)22:40
stdinNightrose: looks like libqt4-dev has a missing dep on libxrender-dev23:03
Nightrosetrying23:03
DaSkreechNeat Koffice A723:09
Seregahi there23:22
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