=== jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [02:05] the upgrade to 4.0.4 seems to have made things quite a bit more buggy [02:08] regressions by my count are: bug 227932, bug 227919, bug 227914, and bug 227904 [02:08] Launchpad bug 227932 in ktorrent-kde4 "Ktorrent-kde4 crashes after shutdown of closing" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/227932 [02:08] Launchpad bug 227919 in kdebase-kde4 "[Konqueror 4.0.4, regression] Widgets inside webpages render incorrectly" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/227919 [02:08] Launchpad bug 227914 in kdebase-kde4 "buttons missing in konqueror kde4" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/227914 [02:08] Launchpad bug 227904 in kdebase-workspace "KDE4 login screen is missing background (regression: 4.0.4)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/227904 [02:09] oh, 227909, not 227914 [02:09] i'm getting funky behavior with konqueror toolbars, pidgin froze and firefox won't launch (don't know if those are related), some systray icons have artifacts [02:10] Pidgin and firefox work fine here, but everything else seems to fit in line with the above bug reports [02:10] alt+f2 doesn't work (already ran kded4 manually) [02:10] lock screen and switch user dont' work [02:10] * JontheEchidna can run alt+f2 fine [02:10] and switch user/lock screen [02:10] Is krunner running? [02:11] ooh more upgrades.. maybe i just didn't get everything because of mirror lag [02:11] maybe [02:11] mit didn't have it at all so i switched to us [02:12] us archive is being sloooow for the past few days [02:12] de had mirror lag this morning so I switched back to us === rdieter is now known as rdieter_afk [02:30] ok upgrading seems to have fixed some of the problems [02:43] Right about now I'm thinking "I'm glad I'm not using Konqueror right about now" [02:47] I'm guessing that we're running into all of these regressions because the devs aren't using a 4.0.x environment [03:29] nighty-night === rdieter is now known as rdieter_afk [06:06] from where do you get your unsermake in Hardy? [07:01] Tm_T: what needs unsermake? [07:01] iirc unsermake was removed a release or 2 back [07:05] nixternal: KDE3 does use it on build, right? [07:06] atleast I do with it [07:07] it shouldn't be using it..I thought we removed anything related to unsermake a while back [07:07] well upstream didn't? [07:07] * Tm_T is building svn [07:08] kde 4 svn? [07:08] kde3 svn [07:08] you can use the autotools for it [07:08] kde4 is later today [07:08] you don't unsermake for it [07:08] nixternal: I can, but unsermake works better, IIRC [07:08] don't need* [07:10] indeed it does work better with it [07:11] http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/u/unsermake/ [07:11] thought we dropped it..it has been gone since Dapper [07:11] I remember doing some conversions back then [07:11] iirc it was in the kdeonbeta stuff [07:11] yeh, I grabbed unsermake from gutsy (it was there without proper dependencies) [07:13] ya, we use autotools for kde3 building [07:14] I didn't even notice that [07:14] * Tm_T shames [07:16] * apachelogger shames for using autotools [07:17] what would you use then for KDE 3 building? [07:17] surely not unsermake [07:28] nixternal: why not? [07:29] from what I remember of it, besides it being unmaintained and archaic, it was a pita at times [07:32] hmm, interesting === hunger_t is now known as hunger [08:28] yuriy: i have artifacts in the systray as well [08:36] you have to nix your plasma configs for that Nightrose [08:36] plasmarc you might be fine keeping, but it is the other plasma config in there [08:37] hmm ok will try later [08:37] thanks [08:38] nixternal: meh that is the one with all my applets? [08:38] i would hate to nix that [08:38] you don't happen to know a less intrusive way? ;-) [08:38] ya [08:38] nope [08:39] :/ [08:39] ok [08:39] ya to the one with all of the applets and nope to a less intrusive way [08:39] ;-) [08:44] * nixternal beds [08:44] g'nite [08:45] k'nite [09:01] night? I'm in school! [09:08] hmmm nixternal that didn't help :( [09:08] was still messed up after deleting plasma-appletsrc so i restored my old one [09:28] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/extragear-plasma/+bug/228123 <- if someone feels like looking into it... [09:28] Launchpad bug 228123 in extragear-plasma "[regression KDE 4.0.4] painting problems with icons in system tray" [Undecided,New] [09:28] hmm and my kopete crashes when i close a message window... [09:29] cananyone reproduce that? [11:16] Arby: yes kdevelop should be merged, the kde 4 version is a long way off I believe [11:17] stdin: uploaded a debdiff for kde4libs/qt4.4 where? [11:19] stdin: got it, thanks [11:20] Riddell: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kopete/+bug/228129 [11:21] Launchpad bug 228129 in kopete "[regression KDE 4.0.4] Kopete crashes when closing message window" [Medium,Confirmed] [11:21] kopete is the b0rked :( [11:21] jdavies: replace the kde 3 version [11:23] <\sh> Nightrose, it's since the beginning of kopete ,) [11:23] :P [11:23] well it always worked pretty nicely for me... [11:25] <\sh> Nightrose, never for me properly...regarding xmpp things... [11:25] :/ [11:26] Nightrose: tried asking upstream? [11:26] Riddell: not yet - will do [11:51] Riddell: upstream is on it - will keep you posted [11:56] groovy [12:18] vorian: "replace the kde 3 version" [12:27] _Sime: what's the current state of pykde in kdebindings like? good to package? [12:34] Riddell: i simply can't get g-p-m for kde4 to compile ... finally got my intrepid pbuilder up and running, but still no luck; neither using cmake directly or using the rules-file from kdebase-kde4 as a base [12:35] awen_: when happens when you run cmake? [12:36] Riddell: still get the same error: Unknown CMake command "macro_optional_find_package" ... and has simply no idea how to make it go away [12:37] awen_: oh, are you trying to compile just g-p-m? [12:37] awen_: you need to compile kdereview [12:37] svn checkout -N svn+ssh://jriddell@svn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/kdereview [12:38] cd kdereview [12:38] svn update guidance-power-manager [12:38] mkdir build [12:38] cd build [12:38] Riddell: uh ... then no wonder everything fails [12:38] cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr/lib/kde4 .. [12:38] make [12:38] sudo make install [12:47] at least that gave me another error ... thanks a lot [12:51] awen_: what's the error? [12:54] it's compiling one of the plasma applets, that errors out on me (probably misses some dependencies) ... is is possible to tell cmake to only compile g-p-m? [12:54] awen_: that is what Riddell told you [12:54] -N will checkout non-recoursive [12:54] svn update will get g-d-m [12:55] then you create a build subdir in _kdereview_ [12:55] which then will only build g-d-m [12:56] Tried to upgrade to 8.04, but got this http://tango.pastebin.com/m678be80a - konq wouldn't start at "report bug" - tried twice [12:56] apachelogger: oh ... didn't see the -N [12:57] larsivi: That means that the server is down/insanely slow [12:57] You can try changing mirrors [12:57] Adept-> Manage repositories [12:59] Then on the first tab There should be a "Download from:" option [12:59] Hit "Other" in the combobox [13:00] and select a different server, like the german one [13:03] Riddell: fix for the kopete crash: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161769 [13:03] KDE bug 161769 in general "kopete causes a sigserv when closing chat window" [Crash,Resolved: fixed] [13:03] that was fast... [13:10] jtechidna: hmm, same happens with de.archive.ubuntu - could this be a firewall problem? is non-standard ports used anywhere in the process? [13:10] It's standard http, so probably not... [13:10] Sure the internet connection is ok on your end? [13:11] oh, well I suppose it must be ok if we're talking on an internet chat [13:11] * jtechidna is tired [13:11] +1 [13:13] jtechidna: 'k - thanks, will try again at home [13:41] afternoon [13:42] hi mhb [13:42] sladen here was muttering about borrowing some floor space in prague during UDS [13:45] I don't understand [13:46] do you need something from me? [13:46] mhb: you have floor space in prague? [13:47] floor space as in? [13:47] no warehouse [13:47] mhb: somewhere to sleep [13:48] ah right, a spare bed I do have [13:58] sladen would probably take teh floor, quite happily. [13:58] mhb: although, be wary of sladen and fridges, and such. [13:59] Riddell: are there desktop meetings from now to UDS? [13:59] seele: there's one about to start [14:00] won't be next week, or at least I'll be on a train [14:08] if he's fine with sleeping on the edge of town in a big family house, it's ok === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [14:31] when you update a kernel, is adept supposed to tell you to reboot? (i think i might have asked this question before..) [14:34] seele: yes, it should popup an icon in the system tray [14:38] hmm.. i wonder what i did to break that (and it it has happened to anyone else) [14:38] seele: do you have adept_notifier running? [14:38] i thought maybe i missed it, but there have been two kernel updates this week and there were no reboot suggestions [14:38] yeah [14:40] seele: do you have /var/run/reboot-required and /var/lib/update-notifier/dpkg-run-stamp ? [14:40] nope [14:41] how long have those been around? i've been doing updates since feisty [14:41] those files would be installed by the updated linux package if it thought a reboot was required [14:41] oh, i do have dpkg-run-stamp, just not reboot-required [14:41] possibly one isn't? [14:42] maybe, i dunno. maybe it was a different problem [14:42] after both updates this week, something ate 100% of memory and swap [14:42] and i noticed both updates were kernel updates [14:43] maybe they were just really big and something else did it [14:43] i dont care if it's just my goofy computer, but it would suck if a lot of users had this problem [14:43] because they will blame hardy for being slow instead of some other problem [14:44] not using firefox are you? [14:44] nope, that's what i originally thought the problem was but i didn't use it between the first and second update [14:46] man.. being nontechnical is pretty useless [14:47] i have no idea how to figure out if its just my own dumb fault or if there's something wonky going on [14:52] seele: no update should start eating 100% of memory and swap [14:52] (occationally they should stop it though) [14:52] seele: how do you know they ate 100% of memory and swap? [14:54] i looked at the memory graph in kinfocenter [14:55] with my normal stuff running (kopete, konsole, kontact, 2-3 open office docs, konq) i'm using about 50-70% total memory (no swap) [14:55] after i did the update this morning.. stuff started running slow again and the graphs said physical and swap were 100% used [15:38] re from shopping [15:39] Riddell: is anyone looking into the dos problem of kopete? [15:39] i am pondering taking care of the tab problem [15:40] Nightrose: not currently, feel free to make debdiffs and test [15:40] ok will give it a try [15:50] seele: when will you be available today? [15:52] Artemis_Fowl: in about 10-15 minutes as long as my phone call doesn't run over [15:53] seele: ok. tell me when you are ready [16:11] yay, Ubuntu Finland was awarded as "Linux contributor of the year" in Finland <3 [16:11] \o/ nice [16:12] Artemis_Fowl: ping [16:13] seele: pong [16:13] seele: concerning the second page, [16:13] ok [16:13] I am not sure about some options [16:13] eg enable ACPI [16:13] about whether they should be there or what they are? [16:14] I think this option is a kernel argument [16:14] both :) [16:14] where did you find them? [16:14] ok.. so does that mean it is specific to the OS? [16:14] other GRUB uis including the last one designed [16:14] y [16:14] at least I think so [16:15] Mandriva's ui? [16:15] might have been the suse one. i only had screenshots [16:15] so instead it would be in your add/edit wizard? [16:15] y if I'm right [16:15] ok no problem [16:16] let me check the suse's one. currently I am on opensuse [16:17] that probably applies to a lot of those options, now that i'm looking at it [16:17] such as debugging and selinux support [16:18] does it make sense to configure all that stuff in a wizard? it might be annoying to have to go through the process every time you want to make a change [16:18] could you select the OS from a list and then show the relevant options? [16:20] yes it must apply to other options, too [16:20] I didn't really get your last question, though [16:22] currently, the only way to configure os-specific options is to use your wizard [16:22] but for an advanced user, wouldnt it be annoying to have to go through the process all the time just to configure one option? [16:22] hi seele [16:22] yes indeed [16:22] * DaSkreech waves at Tm_T [16:22] Nightrose: including money prize [16:22] DaSkreech: hi hi son [16:23] :)) [16:23] so as an alternate, could you select the operating system from a drop down and have it show/enable os-specific options to configure? [16:23] Tm_T: wohooo - even nicer ;-) [16:23] e.g. if SE Linux support is installed and you select OpenSuse, provide an option to turn it on or off [16:23] DaSkreech: hihi [16:24] hmm [16:25] then it shouldn't be under Boot Options [16:25] yeah [16:25] probably a separate tab [16:25] under operating systems [16:25] * Artemis_Fowl has to find a way to quick-edit entry attributes.... [16:25] i dont think there would be enough room under the list to add it [16:26] if it will take a lot of work, for now, you could just put it in the wizard and work on it for the next release [16:26] yep [16:26] actually, it would probably be in both places anyway [16:26] because when you create a new entry, you would want to configure those options during the wizard [16:27] it's just that you dont want people to have to use the wizard every time they want to tweak an option or look something up [16:27] what if all possible entry attributes (title, root,kernel, SELinux etc) could be edited from a single window without documentation? [16:27] w8 to find a screenshot [16:29] seele: like in the old wireframes: http://obso1337.org/hci/grub/GRUB_Wireframes_Dec_17.pdf [16:29] page 2 [16:30] in a popup menu instead of in a tab? [16:30] er, new dialog [16:30] yes [16:30] would that be fine? [16:31] where would you put the button to open the dialog? [16:31] the dialog would be called from a Quick-Edit button next to Add/Edit/Remove buttons [16:32] hmm.. the only problem is we already have 5 buttons, and i'm not even sure if they will all fit after translation [16:32] Edit pops up the full Assistant which is documented and offers detailed configuration and Quick Edit only this dialog [16:32] yeah, i dont think two edit buttons is a good idea [16:33] what if there was only one edit, and it was the dialog with all the options [16:33] and you only get the wizard for add? [16:34] the Edit button could have a popup menu with the items "Full Edit" and "Quick Edit" [16:34] or something like this [16:34] I wouldn't like to remove the Full Edit mode [16:35] items as in buttons to more dialogs? or two tabs? [16:36] when you click the Edit button a menu pops up at the bottom of it like Suggestions' [16:36] 'Suggestions' button in the wizard* [16:36] yeah, i dont know about that [16:37] it sounds lot more complicated than it needs to be [16:37] and it doesnt act like any of the other system setting modules [16:39] actually it is not complicated. simply when the user clicks the Edit button he will have to choose whether to use the full-blown assistant or the quick edit dialog [16:39] but indeed it is no common practice [16:40] but I have no other ideas atm [16:40] short term just put all the options in the wizard and we can figure out how to break them out later [16:40] i dont like the idea of having to go three screens deep just to find a configuration option [16:41] ok [17:21] hi [17:22] seele: one good reason to include the "Full Edit" option is that some entry attributes such as maps cannot be edited through the Quick-Edit dialog [17:22] seele: they wouldn't fit [17:23] seele: and map support is vital. I had way too many requests for such a feature to ignore it [17:23] seele: it is necessary for Windows dual-booting when Windows isn't on a master hard disk [17:25] who is a maintainer of Qt4 packages? [17:26] dinosaur-rus: we are [17:28] Riddell: well, since Qt 4.4 Assistant uses ("by default") new help format, I think it'd be a good idea to put old HTML docs into separate package as keeping the docs in both formats seems to be wasting of disk space [17:28] fabo: what do you think of ^^ ? [17:50] Nightrose: you can mv ~/.kde4 somewhere and then log back in to KDE 4...guarantee everything works then :) [17:51] nixternal: will try after i fixed kopete ;-) [17:54] kopete r brok? [17:58] jep big time unfortunately for me [17:59] what's it doing? [18:02] tab handeling is broken in 4.0.4 and it constantly crashes on me due to http://commit-digest.org/issues/2008-04-20/moreinfo/798338/ i assume [18:02] Hmm [18:02] fixed package building now in pbuilder [18:02] * Nightrose crosses fingers [18:02] I installed 4.0.4 last night the apt-cache policy says 4.0.4 all the apps say 4.0.3 [18:03] yea known problem [18:03] But koepte was crashing like krazy in 4.0.3 for me so lets see if that changes [18:03] hehe [18:03] near 70% of the time I shutdown jut clicking that buton made kopete crash [18:04] oO [18:04] or if I sent someone a file and they decided not to accept (that happens more than I remember) it would crash [18:04] you shouldn't send so many files then :P [18:05] No people just should accept them :-P [18:05] ;-) [18:26] * nixternal kicks archive.ubuntu.com right in its arse! [18:27] heh tell me about it... [18:29] 12 k /s :-( [18:30] 0k/s [18:30] it doesn't even work for me [18:32] 239kB/s :p [18:32] hint: use a different mirror [18:49] I am using mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu now [18:49] Riddell: " * Remove build-dep on libdvdread" << does that mean that k3b can no longer burn/extract DVD? [18:49] I get anywhere between 1MB/s to 2MB/s [18:50] smarter: libdvdread3 has always been in universe as far as I know [18:50] Riddell: so k3b was not really built with it? [18:53] smarter: it never has been [18:53] k3b is in work for 4.1 I think [18:53] ok, thanks [18:54] manchicken: your KDE/Qt Perl bindings issues may be a thing of the past...I have interested a couple of people from the PerlMongers group to work on them [18:54] one of this is Josh if you ever met him, he is the new PR person for the Perl Foundation [18:55] s/this/them [18:55] Ooh? [18:55] That would be nice. [18:55] Josh McAdams? [18:55] ya [18:55] Yeah, I used to work with him. Top-notch guy. [18:55] One of the best folks to know. [18:55] groovy, so you trust his work then [18:56] Without question. [18:56] nice...well if you are interested, maybe you could talk to him about it and what not..as I believe you have tried playing with the bindings [18:57] I got to meet those guys at Flourish..they all came in for my KDE 4 talk, and I complained during the plasmoid talk about Perl bindings and what not :) [18:57] see, crying does help! [18:57] The fundamental problem is tying Perl to C++ with Qt templates. [18:58] I think it is high time I go back and try to relearn Perl the correct way...do you recommend any books for this (O'Reilly since they are free for me?) [19:00] Learning Perl is a good one. [19:00] k [19:00] I learned Perl with Emacs and the pocket reference. [19:00] that's cuz you are insane [19:00] you obviously had no life before meeting your wife :p [19:00] I'm a poet and dun even know it [19:00] emacs \o/ [19:01] nixternal: Funny neither do we :) [19:01] Um... most geeks don't. [19:02] I am going to the Cubs game tomorrow, so I have a bit of a life :) [19:02] my brother's new nickname is "Hollywood" [19:02] You're not a very good geek then. [19:02] he got us setup at the Skydeck on Sheffield [19:02] and we are traveling via limo [19:02] all free! food and drink included! === pgquiles_ is now known as pgquiles [19:03] granted from the skydeck the players will look like ants, but the food and drink will be good :) [19:03] * nixternal hopes they have something other than budweiser, miller, and old style [19:03] Who really goes to baseball to see the players? [19:03] * nixternal does [19:03] I love baseball [19:04] Sorry, Cubs aren't worth that much money. [19:05] free? :) [19:05] Cubs are my heros [19:05] You have losers as heros? That explains a lot :P [19:05] to the world series they go! [19:06] And by world series, you mean they go to the cubby bear to watch two other teams play? [19:06] I was raised a Detroit Tigers and Chicago Cubs fan...but I enjoy the national league more because they make the pitchers bat [19:06] manchicken: come on, this is the 100 year anniversary...the world series is in the bag [19:06] you know that MLB has already set it up [19:06] Yeah... the body bag. [19:07] we have Fukudome, and no I didn't just cuss and it isn't pronounced like it looks either [19:08] still the funniest was the lady on CBS Chicago who pronounced it Fuk u do me [19:08] and not fooka dome a [19:08] nixternal: Cubby hole fans must love her [19:09] there is no better game or stadium [19:09] BirdsNest [19:09] I mean for a team that does so bad, season tickets are always sold out in advance [19:10] I like sitting up though at the game, don't like the box seats down either 1st base or 3rd base lines....line drives and broken bats are dangerous [19:37] apachelogger, Czessi: anyone ordered kubuntu-kde4 CDs for linuxtag? [19:38] hi jjesse [19:38] Riddell: yes, juliux ordered 2000 kubuntu cds for linuxtag via torsten spindler [19:39] Riddell: kde3 and kde4 [19:40] torsten spindler? not sure what he has to do with CDs but ok [19:45] Riddell: i asked again. juliux ordered kde3 and kde4 via tetet, shipit and canonical marketing. cds will be send directly to ,esse berlin [19:47] Riddell: ,esse berlin => messe berlin => masses berlin [19:48] hello DaSkreech [19:51] Czessi: groovy [19:58] <_Sime> sebas: ping [20:03] ok! done with meetings for the day and one more day till the weekend [20:03] * seele falls over. it was a rough week. [20:07] * Riddell puts soft matt under where seele is falling onto [20:08] a blankie would be nice too! [20:11] Riddell: I'm strugggling to build kdevelop binary. any idea what would cause http://paste.ubuntu.com/11005/ [20:11] something wrong in the configure file related to libtool [20:11] but it's above my skill level [20:14] as an aside, has anybody had success getting an intrepid pbuilder to work. [20:14] I tried a few days ago without success [20:15] Arby: hrm, tricky. tried make -f admin/Makefile.common ? [20:15] trying [20:16] or better, make -f debian/rules buildprep [20:16] Arby: can't say I have, chroot only [20:16] first one is running [20:16] fair enough, just curious [20:17] Riddell: debian/patches/common has a script update.sh that automatically updates some patches regarding libtool and autotools [20:17] I've run this script [20:17] just wondering if that's the problem [20:18] could be [20:18] make -f admin/Makefile.common completes without errors [20:19] suggests running ./configure, should I follow on or try make -f debian/rules buildprep [20:20] go with make -f debian/rules buildprep [20:20] ok [20:21] nixternal: ping? [20:23] Riddell: make -f debian/rules buildprep goes to completion, what's next? [20:24] Arby: debuild ? [20:24] ok [20:25] does anybody know if there's a package for ksynaptics? I thought there was but I can't find it now [20:25] Riddell: sorry for all the neophyte questions, still learning [20:26] |Artemis_Fowl|: did you have any more questions about the wireframes? [20:27] <|Artemis_Fowl|> seele: I will. but I have to code a little. it's about 1-2 weeks since I last coded [20:28] <|Artemis_Fowl|> seele: I need my code dose :-) [20:32] <|Artemis_Fowl|> seele: is there a reason why 'Make Fallback' is on the left of 'Make Default' and not vice versa? [20:35] |Artemis_Fowl|: typo, i forgot to put it there.. which brings up the problem of not having any space to put it [20:35] Riddell: could you please upload desktop-effects-kde? [20:35] oh wait.. i misunderstood your question [20:36] |Artemis_Fowl|: no, there was no reason why i ordered it that way [20:36] <|Artemis_Fowl|> seele: ok I'll put Default first [20:36] <|Artemis_Fowl|> seele: it sounds more reasonable to me [20:36] smarter_: I don't have time to package it currently, do you have it as a package? [20:37] |Artemis_Fowl|: sure, i dont think it makes a difference either way [20:37] Riddell: sure, let me do a bzr builddeb ;) [20:37] <|Artemis_Fowl|> seele: y. mere details... [20:38] Riddell: I think that's got it. still building but gone further than before [20:38] Arby: great [20:38] got a sec to explain what that that command did [20:38] <|Artemis_Fowl|> seele: btw, in the Wireframes you include a Defaults button (from the SystemSettings) [20:39] <|Artemis_Fowl|> seele: turning on/off these buttons is possible [20:39] <|Artemis_Fowl|> seele: should I make use of such a button? [20:39] <|Artemis_Fowl|> seele: there are no *defaults* [20:40] |Artemis_Fowl|: i thought any time a kernel was updated the GRUB config was updated [20:41] <|Artemis_Fowl|> seele: and so? [20:41]