[00:07] <naught102> ok, I found ~/.Xmodmap, but where are the non-user defaults?
[00:07] <techbw> crash_hates_time: have u managed to get the card to work?
[00:12] <Mimi> Does anyone know how to make sure ubuntu doesn't use different cursor themes depending on which window you are? I'm seeing 3 different kinds of cursors so far.... >.>
[00:13] <sponix> Anyone got a sec to help me out with GPG Key for us.archive.ubuntu.com ?
[00:13] <sponix> W: A error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used.GPG error: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[00:14] <sponix> worked fine for a while, not sure why it quit being valid
[00:15] <PovAddict> did you try updating sources again?
[00:15] <Daisuke_Laptop> !repomirrors
[00:15] <PovAddict> could be temporary
[00:15] <Daisuke_Laptop> !repomirror
[00:15] <Daisuke_Laptop> there we go
[00:15] <Daisuke_Laptop> some of the repos are having problems
[00:15] <sponix> PovAddict: yeah, did it a couple times
[00:16] <TuPari> Why can't I change my volume settings after upgrading to 8.04 ?
[00:16] <PovAddict> Daisuke_Laptop: yeah I noticed the closest to me (ar.archive.ubuntu.com) downloading at like 30KB/s even though my connection is 1mbit
[00:16] <PovAddict> and sometimes taking a whole minute to *start* downloading
[00:16] <PovAddict> so now I'm using brazil... fine so far
[00:16] <sponix> ubottu: wow, I like that
[00:16] <Simonft> im on a powerbook G4 running Kubuntu, and it refuses to boot from the cd. I takes it in and spits it back out, even when im logged in normally. I was burned at the slowest speed possible
[00:17] <sponix> ubottu: I selected "Normal Releases" instead of LTS as well, that shouldn't be an issue though, riiight ?
[00:17] <Simonft> sponix: it's a bot
[00:17] <Simonft> sponix: Daisuke_Laptop told it to say that
[00:18] <Daisuke_Laptop> PovAddict: just because it's closest doesn't make it fastest :D
[00:18] <sponix> Simonft: close enough ;)
[00:18] <Simonft> sponix: lol
[00:19] <sponix> so, that automagic mirror selector, it will update the GPG keys as needed also ?
[00:19] <Daisuke_Laptop> it's probably not a problem with the key, but a problem with the mirror.
[00:20] <Simonft> ﻿im on a powerbook G4 running Kubuntu, and it refuses to boot from the cd. I takes it in and spits it back out, even when im logged in normally. I was burned at the slowest speed p
[00:22] <sponix> Why does Germany have .de anyway ?
[00:22] <sponix> why not .ge ?
[00:23] <tsb> sponix: because it is called Deutschland perhaps?
[00:23] <sponix> Oh.. Wondered that for years .
[00:23] <sponix> Even if I did look like an Ass for asking, I still feel better knowing ;)
[00:23] <tsb> :)
[00:24] <viperserv2> is wine the only way to run windows apps?
[00:25] <tsb> viperserv2: virtualbox isn't bad for a full virtualization
[00:26] <viperserv2> virtualbox hmm would u say it works better than wine?
[00:27] <PovAddict> viperserv2: of course; but you need to have Windows
[00:27] <PovAddict> wine tries to implement Windows APIs
[00:27] <PovAddict> virtualbox lets you run the real Windows inside a virtual machine
[00:28] <Daisuke_Laptop> and of course it all depends on what you want to run
[00:28] <Daisuke_Laptop> if you want to run games, gooooood luck with virtualbox.
[00:28] <McRib> Could someone tell me why my Konversation (in 8.04) isn't opening links when I click on them?  I use Firefox but even setting the "custom web browser" as such doesn't work.
[00:28] <viperserv2> ah will the irc tcp stacks be like windows or linux?
[00:29] <Dragnslcr> kvm/qemu might work fairly well with games if you have a newer CPU
[00:29] <viperserv2> ahh u need windows nm
[00:29] <PovAddict> viperserv2: virtualbox is a VM, you install Windows on it
[00:29] <Dragnslcr> viperserv2- IRC and TCP are very different things
[00:29] <PovAddict> (or any other operating system)
[00:29] <Daisuke_Laptop> Dragnslcr: don't you still have to use software rendering if it's available?
[00:29] <viperserv2> yeah thats the problem have to install windows
[00:30] <PovAddict> Daisuke_Laptop: why virtualbox bad for games? performance?
[00:30] <Daisuke_Laptop> PovAddict: 3d
[00:30] <Dragnslcr> Daisuke_Laptop- I dunno. I'm not sure if kvm gives near-direct access to the video card or not
[00:30] <viperserv2> fios is nice
[00:30] <trident523> viperserv2: yes, it is.
[00:30] <PovAddict> wrt compatibility, it should be way better than Wine, since it's the real thing
[00:30] <trident523> viperserv2: The news server is the best, ever, ever.
[00:31] <Daisuke_Laptop> PovAddict: traditionally, VMs have had major issues with video, unable to provide anything close to native 3d video performance, making it unsuitable for gaming
[00:31] <viperserv2> hmm i have rr myself
[00:31] <Daisuke_Laptop> but absolutely, it's the most compatible thing you'll find.
[00:31] <viperserv2> they give u 30/5?
[00:31] <PovAddict> Daisuke_Laptop: yep, they emulate a VGA card or something lol
[00:31] <PovAddict> trident523: news server...?
[00:31] <Daisuke_Laptop> and i'm so proud, i have yet to install wine on the new hardy installs (laptop and desktop)
[00:31] <trident523> viperserv2: Went with the 5/2. Don't care enough.
[00:31] <Daisuke_Laptop> PovAddict: usenet
[00:31] <viperserv2> pro he means verizon's new group
[00:32] <PovAddict> ah
[00:32]  * trident523 just creamated his running torrents into dust.
[00:32] <trident523> After finding it on usenet.
[00:33] <viperserv2> your dl is slow but ul is good
[00:33]  * PovAddict wishes nntp would come back and kill web forums
[00:33] <PovAddict> oh, you abusing usenet for binaries too?
[00:33] <viperserv2> but anyway i need some help with making a webserver
[00:33] <trident523> PovAddict: Yes. Yes, I am.
[00:33]  * PovAddict loses interest in conversation
[00:34] <trident523> PovAddict: And, reading verizon's actual information group.
[00:34] <Dragnslcr> One of these weekends I'm gonna work on getting kvm up with the networking the way I want it
[00:35] <Dragnslcr> Try to separate my web and mail servers from my desktop
[00:36] <viperserv2> hmm there a gui webserver app for linux?
[00:36] <alexander_> whats best of kubuntu and gubuntu?
[00:36] <sacha_> personal preference
[00:37] <trident523> viperserv2: What would a gui webserver have, other than "on/off?"
[00:37] <alexander_> i mean compatibility wise... is there most programs for kde or gnome?
[00:37] <trident523> alexander_: You can install kde apps on gnome, gnome apps on kde... etc.
[00:37] <dwidmann> alexander_: try them both and find out
[00:37] <sponix> alexander_: I like xubuntu, kubuntu, and ubuntu in that order... gubuntu I tried, and felt it was lacking ...That is just me
[00:37] <jeroen-> alexander_: looking for something particular
[00:38] <alexander_> i like clean interfaces with fancy effects
[00:38] <sponix> sacha_: make sure I'm right when I say that... gubuntu is the one that uses Enlightenment right ?
[00:38] <viperserv2> well apache i could get working
[00:38] <alexander_> also... i want a "dock" like that one in mac os x
[00:38] <jeroen-> alexander_: well, than you at the right spot
[00:39] <Simonft> ﻿im on a powerbook G4 running Kubuntu, and it refuses to boot from the cd. I takes it in and spits it back out, even when im logged in normally. It was burned at the slowest speed possibe
[00:39] <jeroen-> a dock
[00:39] <Simonft> ksmoothdock
[00:39] <jeroen-> thats possible to
[00:39] <gustavo_> hello guys. kubuntu is not detecting my wireless card, could anybody help me with it?
[00:39] <Simonft> a little buggy but good otherwise
[00:39] <Simonft> gustavo_: is it a broadcom?
[00:39] <gustavo_> its an hp dv6353
[00:39] <gustavo_> ya
[00:39] <jeroen-> or you try superkaramba
[00:39] <Simonft> ooh.
[00:39] <gustavo_> yes Simonft
[00:39] <Simonft> yay
[00:40] <Simonft> those aren't easy
[00:40] <gustavo_> :(
[00:40] <trident523> Simonft: Are you using the old... now backported... ppc disc?
[00:40] <gustavo_> lspci doesnt show it
[00:40] <sacha_> sponix: thought you meant gUbuntu, g for gnome. still, even with E17, it's personal preference. most people dont like it though
[00:40] <jeroen-> gustavo_: did you trey ndiswrapper?
[00:40] <gustavo_> it used to work flawlessly in gutsy
[00:40] <Simonft> newest one
[00:40] <Simonft> hardy herron
[00:40] <Simonft> it worked for ubuntu before
[00:40] <radster> can anyone solve a problem with regards to the default user folder im new to linux server?
[00:41] <Simonft> jeroen-: nah, hasent wored for the others
[00:41] <jeroen-> well thats strange
[00:41] <alexander_> right now im using ubuntu.... its clean and nice, but nothing fancy
[00:41] <gustavo_> jeroen-: ya but it doesnt detected the hardware dude
[00:41] <alexander_> not even alt tab is fancy 3d
[00:41] <macisp2000> Can someone tell me what the Kubuntu 8.04 DVD has that the CD does not?
[00:41] <Simonft> gustavo_: http://penkin.wordpress.com/2008/03/28/ubuntu-804-broadcom-wireless/
[00:41] <jeroen-> gustavo_: if it worked in gutsy, try this on the commandline:
[00:41] <gustavo_> i tried that
[00:41] <gustavo_> didnt work
[00:41] <alexander_> i take that back
[00:41] <jeroen-> gustavo_: dpkg-reconfigure network-manager
[00:41] <Simonft> gustavo_: to whom is that directed
[00:41] <alexander_> windows key-tab is fancy:)
[00:41] <gustavo_> listen
[00:42] <gustavo_> the hardware is not detected
[00:42] <Simonft> alexander_: did you enable the effects
[00:42] <dwidmann> macisp2000: probably slightly more packages, alternate and live installers (and perhaps more installation options, I can't recall)
[00:42] <gustavo_> lspci and lshw
[00:42] <trident523> Simonft: Well, if it is a g4... it needs the ppc disc. Now, a newer... intel mac will support hardy in it's normal form.
[00:42] <jeroen-> gustavo_: sudo dpkg-reconfigure network-manager
[00:42] <trident523> Simonft: unless you are running a VM.
[00:42] <Simonft> trident523: I have the ppc disk for hardy
[00:42] <gustavo_> jeroen-: nothing
[00:42] <macisp2000> I downloaded and installed it over the CD, but don't see any difference.
[00:42] <jeroen-> gustavo_: so fast
[00:42] <Simonft> gustavo_: http://penkin.wordpress.com/2008/03/28/ubuntu-804-broadcom-wireless/
[00:42] <gustavo_> gustavo@gustavo-laptop:~$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure network-manager
[00:42] <gustavo_>  * Reloading system message bus config...                                [ OK ]
[00:42] <gustavo_>  * Restarting network connection manager NetworkManager                  [ OK ]
[00:42] <gustavo_>  * Restarting network events dispatcher NetworkManagerDispatcher         [ OK ]
[00:42] <gustavo_> gustavo@gustavo-laptop:~$
[00:42] <jeroen-> is it a usb or pcicia?
[00:43] <gustavo_> Simonft: i did that too
[00:43] <gustavo_> it compiles normally
[00:43] <trident523> macisp2000: It includes more software on the CD repository, and the alt installer. Installing over dosen't really do anything, to my knowledge.
[00:43] <gustavo_> just doesnt work
[00:43] <gustavo_> the hardware, the card is not detected
[00:43] <jeroen-> gustavo_: is it a usb-stick?
[00:43] <gustavo_> no!
[00:43] <Simonft> 1. sudo gedit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[00:43] <Simonft> 2. Change “blacklist bcm43xx” to “#blacklist bcm43xx”
[00:43] <Simonft> 3. Restart. You should get a restricted driver message.
[00:43] <Simonft> 4. Enable restricted driver
[00:43] <Simonft> 5. Restart and you are good to go
[00:43] <gustavo_> hp dv6353
[00:43] <gustavo_> i did that!!
[00:44] <macisp2000> Also, when I enable Desktop effects and select the "manage with a seperate manger" I then install compiz manager, but all the icons in the manager are just little squares instead of the pics, any ideas?
[00:44] <gustavo_> restricted-manager also doesnt detected it
[00:44] <macisp2000> thanks for the dvd info
[00:44] <jeroen-> gustavo_: the only thing I can think of is ndiswrapper
[00:44] <Simonft> gustavo_: http://www.linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43
[00:44] <gustavo_> jockey only detect nvidia video card
[00:45] <jeroen-> but seems you tried everything already
[00:45] <gustavo_> the wireless works on windows
[00:45] <jeroen-> gustavo_: off course it does
[00:45] <gustavo_> no it doesnt
[00:45] <jeroen-> my mother also works on windows ;-)
[00:45] <Simonft> gustavo_: you saw my last link?
[00:46] <gustavo_> opening it
[00:46] <Hrontore> Hm, BlueKaj isn't here. Darn it.
[00:46] <macisp2000> BIG question, I would like to know of a program/feature for making my own Kubuntu LiveCD after I get all the programs installed and setup like I like.  I liked this feature in PCLinuxOS, but I would assume that someone has done a similar program with Kubuntu?
[00:47] <gustavo_> Simonft: nothing new there
[00:47] <Simonft> macisp2000: not that I have heard of
[00:47] <jeroen-> macisp2000: a customized live-cd ? yes I want that to
[00:47] <Simonft> gustavo_: no idea, im on a broadcom and it is working.
[00:47] <Hrontore> I need help with my package data base, I think its locked becuase I have a broken install of a python poker server. I need help to unlock the database and finish the install, then uninstall.
[00:47] <jeroen-> there are some utilietes I have hears off, but it needs a lot of expertise\
[00:48] <gustavo_> Simonft: something maybe related to noapic and nolapic boot options?
[00:48] <Simonft> gustavo_: for your problem or for mine?
[00:48] <gustavo_> im not using none but there is a bios bug at boot start
[00:48] <gustavo_> bios bug #81
[00:49] <Simonft> !﻿noapic
[00:49] <macisp2000> I have heard of something called Reconstructor while searching on google, anyone used it?
[00:49] <gustavo_> wth
[00:49] <sponix> ok, how do I keep the pcspkr module for loading ?
[00:49] <sponix> put it in /etc/modules/blacklist ?
[00:49] <Simonft> gustavo_: what is ﻿noapic?
[00:50] <gustavo_> lspci should list the card anyways :/
[00:50] <macisp2000> http://lifehacker.com/software/featured-linux-download/roll-your-own-ubuntu-live-cd-with-reconstructor-276092.php
[00:50] <gustavo_> im totally unhappy with this :(
[00:50] <macisp2000> still searching for info
[00:50] <Hrontore> I have a locked apt database, how do I unlock it?
[00:50] <gustavo_> Simonft: dunno
[00:50] <Hrontore> Where is that bot...
[00:50] <macisp2000> here seems to be the main website for it. http://reconstructor.aperantis.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1
[00:51] <Simonft> macisp2000: try #ubuntu, there have been a lot of people in there with the trouble, they know a lot about it
[00:51] <gustavo_> hardy sucks
[00:51] <dwidmann> !aptfix | Hrontore
[00:51] <Simonft> gustavo_: if you have a broadcom, yes
[00:52] <gustavo_> wireless, bluetooth.. nothing working as before :/
[00:52] <gustavo_> im sad
[00:52] <Simonft> I'm going to try booting off the cd again, brb if it does not work.
[00:52] <macisp2000> ok thanks
[00:52] <gustavo_> already reinstalled thousand times
[00:52] <aaroncampbell> How can I see what SELinux is set to?
[00:53] <gustavo_> time to try other distros
[00:53] <gustavo_> cya!
[00:53] <sFEARs> hello
[00:53] <crash__> how do I obtain a list of running processes?
[00:54] <Dragnslcr> crash__- ctrl-esc should open KSysGuard
[00:54] <dwidmann> crash__: or ps -A
[00:54] <Dragnslcr> Or you can use ps in a terminal
[00:54] <dwidmann> crash__: or pstree, top, or htop for that matter
[01:07] <Mahtrix> hello! what's the KDE equivalent for gnome's File roller? I've tried Ark but with no sucess (no compress/decompress options with right click in a file)
[01:10] <dwidmann> Mahtrix: ark is the equivalent, so you answered your question kind of .... something could be wrong with konqueror's service menus ... which I haven't been able to get to work at all with kde4's konqeuror/dolphin
[01:11] <Mahtrix> dwidmann: yeah, I'm on KDE4
[01:13] <jeroen-> Mahtrix: please see #kubuntu-kde4
[01:15] <Mahtrix> jeroen-: I will, thank you
[01:16] <dwidmann> Mahtrix: the really funny (well, not really) part about people being told to go there is that most of the people who sit in there sit in here too
[01:16] <Simonf1> it did not work
[01:16] <Simonf1> still can't boot for cd
[01:16] <Simonf1> **from
[01:18] <Simonft> other cd's work
[01:18] <Simonft> such a music cd's
[01:19] <Roey> Hi!  Question:  i can get 'wacdump /dev/wacom' working fine in a pty console, but in an X terminal it doesn't report anything.  What's up with this?
[01:27] <matt____> i can i install linux to a flashdrive? I'm wanting the ophcrack live cd to a flash drive...
[01:27] <matt____> for bootable flash drive i mean
[01:29] <sacha_> ophcrack? this is kubuntu
[01:29] <sacha_> anyway, there are heaps of livecds that install on to flash drives
[01:30] <sacha_> i think slax is the best. it has this copy2ram feature which copies the entire flash to RAM and then you can take out the flash and still run linux (only from RAM)
[01:30] <sacha_> you can stick the flash back in later to save the changes you made
[01:32] <PovAddict> can I configure which users are allowed to shutdown the system?
[01:32] <matt____> sacha_: exactly what i'm wanting, but HOW to install to flashdrive is what i need.
[01:33] <sacha_> matt____: d/l the slax file
[01:33] <sacha_> matt____: copy it to your flash drive and then run the makebootable.sh script
[01:33] <sacha_> thats it
[01:34] <matt____> sacha_: oh....gotcha. i was thinking of dealing with isos...the ophcrack live cd is an iso that runs off slax, though. so it'd be easier, if possible, to do it that method...but i'll look into the slax method
[01:35] <matt____> sacha_: and does the slax usb come with a gui? fluxbox i believe it's called?
[01:35] <Choreboy> HALP! Kubuntu no worky.
[01:36] <sacha_> matt____: kde
[01:36] <PovAddict> Choreboy: you gotta be a lot more specific than that
[01:36] <Choreboy> PovAddict: I know :-\ I just don't know what's wrong. It won't load up like it did yesterday. Network config isn't loading, Power management isn't loading correctly, etc.
[01:36] <matt____> sacha_: alright..i'll give it a try. after i boot from it, i suppose that i can install ophcrack to it can't i?
[01:37] <PovAddict> can I configure which users are allowed to shutdown the system? with my current config, looks like any logged-in user can
[01:38] <sacha_> matt____: i guess so
[01:38] <Choreboy> Can anyone tell me if there's a way to possibly undo anything I might have done to cause this loading problem?
[01:39] <sacha_> matt____: ophcrack probably uses same install method tho, if its based off slax
[01:39] <sacha_> just copy to flash and run script
[01:39] <matt____> sacha_: umm...it's an iso, a bootable disk. but there are ways to take iso.s and put them on usb.
[01:40] <sacha_> matt____: should have a .tar.gz version
[01:40] <sacha_> http://www.slax.org/get_slax.php <-- see an iso and a tar version?
[01:41] <matt____> sacha_: tar.bz2, but its just the source
[01:41] <sacha_> source? are you sure?
[01:41] <matt____> make, install, all the regular files
[01:41] <Choreboy> Anyone? I have to fix this or Kubuntu stays no-worky, and for some reason I can't configure LILO to let me boot to windows
[01:41] <sacha_> matt____: you looked inside/
[01:42] <matt____> sacha_: of the iso?
[01:42] <Roey> hi
[01:42] <Roey> Hi!  Question:  i can get 'wacdump /dev/wacom' working fine in a pty console, but in an X terminal it doesn't report anything.  What's up with this?
[01:43] <sacha_> matt____: the tar
[01:44] <tamir> is there still mythtv in repos ?
[01:44] <matt____> sacha_: yes, i've looked inside, besides, its about 202kb
[01:45] <matt____> sacha_: take a look for yourself http://ophcrack.sourceforge.net/
[01:46] <sacha_> k thats weird
[01:46] <sacha_> maybe the .exe isntalled gives the option
[01:46] <Roey> tamir?? אתה ישראלי?
[01:47] <sacha_> woah back to front
[01:48] <Roey> anyone here use Wacom tablets?
[01:48] <Sean[1]> Hi, I have been trying to install Kubuntu 8.04 Remix and I keep getting an error during the install.  Is there a log file somwhere I can get more information from.
[01:52] <dwidmann> Sean[1]: where do you get the error and what does it say?
[01:53] <dwidmann> Choreboy: if you've done any upgrading or such recently, sudo apt-get -f install may do something
[01:54] <Sean[1]> Let you know in a sec what exactly it says as I am trying again.  But it is along the lines of Failed copying files and there may be something wrong with the CD or HD.  Burned the CD twice.  And Ubuntu 8.04 installed fine so not sure what is going on.
[01:59] <Sean[1]> Happens around 40%, Failed to copy files; faulty CD/DVD or Hard Disk.  Errno 5 - Input/output error
[02:00] <will01> im tryin to connect my bluetooth headset to my computer and use it for skype, is there any simple/graceful way of doing this?
[02:02] <wirechief> will01: i dont know bluetooth, not sure if it is alsa but if so the devs in #alsa might be able to help
[02:02] <will01> alright
[02:02] <inavat> I installed flickrfs.  I'm reading the "install on ubuntu" instructions on the flickrfs page, and they say (after apt-get'ting a bunch of stuff) to do sudo chmod 755 /usr/bin/fusermount.  The problem is I don't have an /usr/bin/fusermount.   then it says to run "python flickrfs.py", but I have no idea where flickrfs.py is supposed to be, or if I even have it
[02:05] <[Relic]> Q -> trying to install 64bit mode but want to keep one partition on the HD the last one if I delete the first two and install 64bit will that solve the grub error problems I had with previous attempts where I didn't delete the first 2 partitions?
[02:06] <Feijo_BR> can I change my swap part. size?
[02:07] <wirechief> Relic that depends there is a new e2fs now that gives a different byte size and keeps users from dual booting under certain condiditons
[02:07] <wirechief> Relic there is a known bug on it.
[02:09] <[Relic]> wirechief, I tried ext3 like the existing one for the / partition.   Also I am not dual booting, it simply gives me a grub error and won't load anything
[02:10] <wirechief> !grub
[02:10] <Dr_willis> Feijo_BR,  you want more or less swap?
[02:11] <Feijo_BR> less
[02:11] <wirechief> Relic maybe help there
[02:11] <Feijo_BR> currently 1300mb
[02:11] <Annirak> I had a headless machine go down today because its DHCP lease expired and it didn't renew.  I can't guarantee that its lease had actually expired.  What I do know for sure is that running dhclient on the appropriate interface solved the problem.  How do I stop this problem from happening in future?
[02:11] <Ketrel_> I'm having a weird issue with synaptic, when it seems to sit forever when downloading, but manually running the apt commands work fine.
[02:11] <wirechief> Annirak its a setting in your router
[02:12] <sFEARs> natius maximus
[02:12] <Annirak> wirechief:  The machine is connected directly to my ISP's DSL modem.
[02:13] <sFEARs> we need to edit that /etc/fstab file to automatically mount your windows partition everytime you boot
[02:13] <wirechief__> hmm lost the channel but internet was not down
[02:13] <nate_> yep sure do, ya want me to copy it?
[02:13] <psyco> anyone know if there is an LM-SENSORS channel?
[02:13] <sFEARs> !pastebin.. past the contents of what's in there now to pastebin
[02:13] <sFEARs> !pastebin
[02:13] <sFEARs> wtf? hold on
[02:14] <sFEARs> paste it there
[02:15] <nate_> where at it german
[02:15] <_ZeuZ_> !usplash art > _ZeuZ_
[02:16] <_ZeuZ_> somebody asked the last day on how to create a theme for usplash, anyone could guide me to that tutorial?
[02:16] <Ketrel_> netsplit?
[02:16] <wirechief__> yes
[02:16] <Walzmyn> whoa
[02:16] <_ZeuZ_> nevermind, found it...
[02:16] <psyco> anyone here good with sensors??
[02:17] <psyco> like lm-sensors*
[02:17] <psyco> its says "cpu temp=32C and "temp3"=63C
[02:17] <psyco> what could temp 3 be??
[02:17] <Walzmyn> what kind of sensors?
[02:17] <Feijo_BR> video?
[02:18] <psyco> Like MB temperature sensors
[02:18] <Feijo_BR> or HD
[02:18] <Feijo_BR> most likely video
[02:18] <psyco> 0.o??
[02:18] <Walzmyn> I'd think you'd need to look at your hardware's documentation
[02:18] <wirechief__> psyco maybe man Im-sensors if thats what your using
[02:18] <Dr_willis> some mbs have sensors around them.
[02:18] <Dr_willis> 63c seems a tad warm. :)
[02:19] <psyco> lol yeah, i'm trying to think what temp 3 could be....
[02:19] <Dr_willis> I wonder if not one right under the cpu, or some other chipset.
[02:19] <wirechief__> very warm
[02:19] <Dr_willis> or it ocould be the data is incorrect. - double check it with what the bios screens show
[02:19] <BluesKaj> that was one bad spli there ..haven' t seen that in a while
[02:19]  * Feijo_BR love astroempires game...
[02:20] <psyco> Dr_willis: this computer I bought is uber crap, HP and I can't get into bios...
[02:20] <wirechief__> i think there are sometimes two one underneath and one in or near cpu (dont know though)
[02:20] <Dr_willis> I was thinking one under the cpu, and perhaps one on the north/southbridge chips
[02:20] <Walzmyn> psyco whatta you mean you can't getinto the bios?
[02:20] <psyco> Like I just can't, it totally skips the whole thing and goes straight to grub,
[02:21] <psyco> its a damn HP model >..>
[02:21] <psyco> unless there is another way to get in?
[02:21] <BluesKaj> psyco, before it gets to grub , hit the F1 Or F2 key repeatedly
[02:21] <psyco> Ok i'll try those. My other computers used F8 and delete
[02:21] <Walzmyn> psyco I'm sure there's a way, check the documentation for the key but f1 or f2 as it's starting up should ge tyou in
[02:21] <Ketrel_> If I need to use a different version of gcc and g++ how do I run the make file?
[02:21] <BluesKaj> or even delete ob some pcs
[02:21] <psyco> Brb
[02:22] <psyco> gonna try different keys
[02:22] <Walzmyn> just beat on keys as it starts
[02:22]  * Walzmyn grins
[02:22] <sFEARs> i've had success throwing my laptop against a brick wall a few times, seems to work well
[02:22] <wirechief__> anyone with shutdown issues with ATI fglrx drivers ?
[02:22] <Walzmyn> hmm, this one is too new
[02:23] <BluesKaj> well now , if he didn'tknow how to get into the BIOS , maybe he shouldn't be fooling around in there :)
[02:23]  * sFEARs has not had shutdown issues with fglrx drivers, using nvidia
[02:23] <wirechief__> i have problem with kubuntu shutting down it hangs to blank screen with fglrx installed
[02:23] <Walzmyn> BluesKaj, good call, but it is just an hp
[02:24] <BluesKaj> mines an HP :>
[02:24] <Walzmyn> wirechief_, i'm having that issuse when i logout (ie to change user) but not shutting down - using nvidia
[02:24] <Walzmyn> BluesKaj, my appoligies
[02:24] <wirechief__> Walzmyn i have to use RSEIUB to reboot
[02:24] <BluesKaj> Walzmyn, :)
[02:24] <Dr_willis> Ive seen similer issues. - I fixed one box by setting gdm/kdm to 'always restart x server' in their configs.. I forrget where/how i learned that however.
[02:25] <Walzmyn> wirechief_, what is RSEIUB?
[02:25] <Walzmyn> Dr_willis, probably some .conf file in ./kde
[02:25] <Ketrel_> If I have more than one version of g++ and gcc, how do I run make using a specific version?
[02:25] <NewBerner> how should i fix blurry fonts on hardy? googling doesn't seem to help
[02:25] <BluesKaj> darn, I dumped FF and I had that site bookmarked that has the ati hang on shutdown fix
[02:25] <wirechief__> Walzmyn its a trick to shutdown a hung system useing ctrl alt sysrq then R and same for the rest
[02:26] <psyco> yay
[02:26] <psyco> Thanks guys
[02:26] <Walzmyn> wirechief_, ah, that could be helpful - what is the sysrq key?
[02:26] <psyco> Bad news >.> my cpu runs at 63. WHY IS IT ME.
[02:26] <psyco> Every CPU I have run over 60
[02:26] <psyco> :@
[02:26] <sFEARs> nate_?
[02:26] <wirechief__> also known as Raising Skinny Elelaphants Is Uterly Boring
[02:26] <Walzmyn> psyco, so does mine on my desktop
[02:26] <Dr_willis> Walzmyn,  this was a kdm setting.  so it was kdmrc (i think)  - I saw it in the comments in the file once. i recall.
[02:27] <psyco> Everyone else? What temp does your CPU run at?
[02:27]  * Walzmyn laughs at wirechief_ 
[02:28] <sFEARs> 98.6 degress, #5 is alive you know
[02:28] <wirechief__> Walzmy try googling that, it is really a old trick
[02:28] <nate_> yep im back
[02:28] <nate_> what did i miss
[02:28] <sFEARs> nada..
[02:28] <Dr_willis> You missed the free food.
[02:28] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:28]  * wirechief__ my skinny elephant works well in kubuntu
[02:29] <psyco> sFEARs: Why are you not on fire yet ?!?!?
[02:30] <sFEARs> pastebin the contents of your fstab file so i can check it out
[02:30] <nate_> how do i pastebin
[02:30] <psyco> well that solves my worries
[02:30] <psyco> I can go up to 85 ^^
[02:30] <psyco> night everyone and thanks
[02:31]  * sFEARs is anti-spontaneously-combustible?
[02:32] <BluesKaj> lights go out ?
[02:32] <sFEARs> it's one of my superpowers, don't be jealous
[02:33] <wirechief__> nate paste can be done with this too curl -F file=@~/$USER/etc/apt/fstab
[02:33] <nainef> quick question....
[02:34] <nainef> have they rate limited the repos?
[02:34] <stdin> no
[02:34] <nate_> thanks wirechief but im brand new so ......
[02:34] <Roey> Hi
[02:34] <Dr_willis> a lot of the repos are having issues right now it seems
[02:34] <Roey> Does Toutube.com work under kubuntu x86_64 ?
[02:34] <BluesKaj> gamerzz .. bah humbug :)
[02:34] <wirechief__> nate thats ok copy that to a notebook for later
[02:34] <Roey> *Youtube.cojm
[02:34] <Roey> *Youtube.com
[02:35] <nainef> ok just making sure.. cause I have never downloaded 17meg slower :)
[02:35] <FenixReign> you not a gamer     I take it  BluesKaj??
[02:35] <sFEARs> how are you making out with the pasting nate_?
[02:36] <BluesKaj> I tried FenixReign, but they're just too phoney-cartoony , guess i'm getting old :)
[02:36] <sFEARs> notice how if your name is typed the line shows up a different color, so if your addressing someone specifically nate_ make sure you type there name in somewhere
[02:36] <nate_> man i have no idea what your talkin about
[02:37] <FenixReign> BluesKaj, old??
[02:37] <hall> I need help. With 7.10 and 8.04 at first my Dell 2007 displays at 1680x1040 but goes to 640x480. I can't use system settings to get original settings.
[02:37] <sFEARs> alright.. let me know if you get lost.. alt+f2 "kate /etc/fstab" and then !pastebin nate_
[02:37] <BluesKaj> yup, I'm an old retired guy ,FenixReign
[02:37] <sFEARs> !pastebin nate_
[02:38] <sFEARs> ubottu.. why do you despise me
[02:38]  * ubottu because...............................Satan.
[02:38] <FenixReign> BluesKaj, 60 is the new 50....
[02:38] <sFEARs> !pastebin
[02:38] <BluesKaj> yeah sure ..I don't buy that BS be a good consumer hype :)
[02:38] <sFEARs> copy the contents of the /etc/fstab file & use that website.. then give me the address that website gives you nate_
[02:39] <FenixReign> hehehe
[02:39] <FenixReign> don't feel bad... I feel like I'm 50
[02:39] <nate_> its in german so i doont know where to go sfears
[02:40] <BluesKaj> FenixReign, I got a cold , so I'm not up to par tonite
[02:40] <sFEARs> ohhh.. i was wondering what you meant by german.. haha
[02:40] <FenixReign> everyone around me has a cold today!!!
[02:40] <BluesKaj> very seldom ger colds
[02:40] <sFEARs> alright.. let me get the correct address?
[02:41] <FenixReign> Nyquil baby!!! good stuff!
[02:41] <sFEARs> moderator, why the hell is the pastebin link in german? wtfman?
[02:41] <BluesKaj> FenixReign, you're on satellite eh ?
[02:41] <PovAddict> can I configure which users are allowed to shutdown the system? with my current config, looks like any logged-in user can
[02:41] <sFEARs> http://paste.ubuntu.com use that nate_
[02:41] <Dr_willis> !info pastebinit
[02:42] <BluesKaj> yeah, I dropped a couple Tylenol xtras , feel a bit better
[02:42] <anfeara> hola
[02:42] <FenixReign> yes
[02:42] <sFEARs> my doctor told me they work better with massive amounts of alcohol BluesKaj, and by the way, it wasn't Dr_willis
[02:43] <anfeara> donde estoy???
[02:43] <FenixReign> BluesKaj: it sucks, but only thing I got in the country.
[02:43] <Dr_willis> Take the Blue Pill!
[02:43] <FenixReign> ha ha ha
[02:43] <sFEARs> donde estoy los pantelones?
[02:44] <anfeara> bay
[02:44] <BluesKaj> FenixReign,, beats dialup tho :)
[02:44] <sFEARs> nate_ making progress?
[02:44] <BluesKaj> I still have mine on . sFEARs
[02:45] <nate_> here it is http://paste.ubuntu.com/10852/  .....maybe
[02:46] <sFEARs> yup.. that was it, alright, let's add your windows partition to it, first we need to find out the physical location of the ntfs partition, from a konsole "alt+f2" "konsole" type "sudo fdisk -l" and put in your password, then paste the output of that to pastebin,
[02:47] <sFEARs> or just figure out which /dev/hd your ntfs partition resides on
[02:48] <BluesKaj> nate , just do a , df -h in the terminal
[02:48] <will01> is there a support irc for skype?
[02:49] <sFEARs> yes.. df -h
[02:50] <nate_> its id 7?
[02:50] <nate_> where does df -h go
[02:50] <sFEARs> need the /dev/hd address
[02:50] <sFEARs> df -h in a konsole
[02:51] <wirechief__> will01: i dont think so are you  having audio problems ?
[02:51] <BluesKaj> or system settings>advanced>disk&file systems
[02:51] <sFEARs> df -h proally won't work becuase it's not mounted yet
[02:51] <sFEARs> but lets check it out anyway
[02:51] <FenixReign> BluesKaj: See FAP sucks....
[02:51] <nate_> exacttl
[02:51] <nate_> y
[02:51] <will01> wirechief_ im having issues getting my bluetooth headset to work
[02:52] <wirechief__> will01: ok hmm no other headset that is working ?
[02:52] <wirechief__> will01: ok just the bluetooth one is having problems then ?
[02:53] <will01> wirechief_ iv only got one headset, but it works fine using speakers and mic
[02:53] <nate_> dev/hbd1
[02:53] <BluesKaj> won't df -h tell you waht you do have mounted , so by the process of elimination...
[02:53] <will01> wirechief_ yea
[02:53] <nate_> hdb1
[02:53] <wirechief__> will01: i wonder if it shows up with lsusb
[02:54] <will01> wirechief_ nope i dont think so
[02:54] <wirechief__> will01:  its usb connected , right ?
[02:55] <sFEARs> alright nate_ make a folder somewhere, usually in the / directory, name it whatever you want "sudo mkdir /name_of_windows_folder" this is where your C drive will show up, you can name it "sudo mkdir /C" if you'd like
[02:55] <Roey> hi, I have exactly this issue:  http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=4810FC58.5030108%40gmx.com&forum_name=linuxwacom-discuss  <-- any thoughts?
[02:55] <Roey> anyone else know abotu this??
[02:55] <will01> wirechief_ the adapter is yes, and i think that showed up
[02:55] <sFEARs> sudo = Super User Do : mkdir = make directory : /name_of_folder = location & folder name
[02:55] <sFEARs> easy
[02:55] <will01> wirechief_ yes it did
[02:56] <Dr_willis> Bash Basics! :)
[02:56] <crash> I have a .patch file for a hardware driver, but not a clue about how to install it
[02:56] <wirechief__> well i would do some google with some key words from that see what you pull up
[02:56] <andrew_> When I try to play an FLV file in mplayer, the player just exits
[02:57] <crash> most of it had to do with programming, way above my level
[02:57] <wirechief__> will01:  well i would do some google with some key words from that see what you pull up
[02:57] <will01> wirechief_ i tried that and sifted through forums for a while and eventually came here
[02:58] <igor__> kubuntu 7.10 rules
[02:58] <igor__> juhuhuh
[02:58] <BluesKaj> andrew_, not sure but flv might work on vlc
[02:58] <andrew_> When I try to play an FLV file in mplayer, the player just exits
[02:58] <nate_> done
[02:58] <sFEARs> "/dev/hdb1 /name_of_folder ntfs defaults 0 0"  then add that line to your /etc/fstab file and when you reboot you will have all your windows files in there
[02:58] <andrew_> oops
[02:59] <andrew_> I meant to say "awwww, I hate vlc"
[02:59] <andrew_> but I hit up
[02:59] <wirechief__> will01:   that guide http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/bluetooth-guide.xml didnt help ?
[02:59] <BluesKaj> why , if it works , andrew_ ..
[02:59] <sFEARs> i can show you the manual way to mount the drive as well, it's not hard
[02:59] <andrew_> BluesKaj: I never liked the interface :\
[03:00] <sFEARs> basically the same thing "sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /name_of_folder"
[03:00] <crash> Anyone have thoughts on installing a driver patch?
[03:01] <jeiworth> hi there
[03:02] <wirechief__> will01: that does get pretty technical, no apparent simply way that i can see but maybe some of those commands might be of some insight.
[03:02] <will01> wirechief_ thanks
[03:05] <wirechief__> will01: dont giveup, keep picking at it and you will get it.
[03:05] <igor__> how can I watch TV on kubuntu?
[03:05] <igor__> i have TV card
[03:05] <will01> wirechief_ i know i will, its just the little differences that drive me nuts sometimes
[03:05] <nate_> said i cant save to etc//kate
[03:06] <wirechief__> will01: when you get done with all that gentoo doc youll have a lot of knowledge on how bluetooth works ;)
[03:07] <will01> i know, i struggled with installing gentoo on my system but i kept getting too many broken packages
[03:07] <sFEARs> that's because we didn't open with access.. from the alt+f2 type (not sure if this will work in kubuntu) gksu kate /etc/fstab, it should prompt for a password, you will then be able to save to places other than your home folder
[03:07] <rapha> l
[03:07] <PovAddict> can I configure which users are allowed to shutdown the system? with my current config, looks like any logged-in user can
[03:07] <nosrednaekim> PovAddict: I think its in systemsettings->advanced->login manager
[03:07] <wirechief__> will01: i understand something i have been meaning to do, its good stuff, really gets down to the very ground with linux
[03:08] <sFEARs> PovAddict, you can probably add that in the users control panel
[03:08] <will01> yes it does
[03:08] <PovAddict> nosrednaekim: that only lets me choose "everyone" and "nobody", with respect to shutting down from the login screen
[03:09] <nate_> noo it doesnt know the command
[03:09] <nosrednaekim> you sure?
[03:09] <sFEARs> i'm not sure what the kde gksu command is, anybody?
[03:09] <PovAddict> once a user logs in, he can go to K menu -> logout -> shutdown (and the setting to remove shutdown from the logout box is a per-user setting that the user himself can change!)
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> kdesudo
[03:10] <rapha> whats the command for see my IP?
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> PovAddict: heh
[03:10] <wirechief__> i have a bug with ATII fglrx and kubuntu, i cannot do a restart or shutown, it locks up any ideas for a hot fix ?
[03:10] <sFEARs> thanks nosrednaekim, nate_ "kdesudo kate /etc/fstab"
[03:10] <PovAddict> rapha: ifconfig
[03:10] <sFEARs> i'd write that down, kdesudo, you will use that a lot
[03:10] <will01> wirechief_ might i need to uncomment things in the /etc/bluetooth/rfcomm.conf?
[03:11] <nate_> could not run specified command
[03:12] <sFEARs> alright, from a konsole try sudo kate /etc/fstab
[03:12] <sFEARs> wirechief_, might be some kind of irq conflict?
[03:13] <sFEARs> i think i've had a problem like that before, not sure how i fixed it though, irq rings a bell
[03:13] <wirechief__> will01:  i would first try manual commands to see what happens where is says
[03:13] <wirechief__> If you did not edit /etc/bluetooth/rfcomm.conf)
[03:13] <wirechief__> # rfcomm connect 0 00:0A:0B:0C:0D:0E 1
[03:13] <nate_> i did that
[03:14] <Jack3> my kubuntu is going realy slow it seems, but my system is should be able to handle it. 512mb ram pentium 4 2.8ghz
[03:14] <Jack3> fresh install
[03:14] <PovAddict> Jack3: what video card do you have?
[03:14] <sFEARs> alright, that should mount your /dev/hdb1 partition to the /name_of_folder everytime you boot
[03:14] <wirechief__> sFEARS i can shutdown from a terminal ok
[03:14] <sFEARs> to mount it without a reboot, sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /name_of_folder
[03:15] <wirechief__> sFEARS its some conflict with xserver and fglrx
[03:15] <sFEARs> let me check something wirechief_
[03:15] <Jack3> PovAddict, geforce 5200
[03:15] <PovAddict> Jack3: did you install the "restricted drivers"?
[03:15] <Jack3> yes im having troubles with that at the moment
[03:16] <nosrednaekim> Jack3: run "free -m" from the terminal and see what the second line says for memory in use
[03:16] <Jack3> it says its in use, and i go to nvidia-settings, but it says something about im not using the nvidia config for xserver
[03:16] <wirechief__> fglrx just causes hang problems in Kbuntu, it works fine in my other distros
[03:16] <nosrednaekim> wirechief__: hang on logout?
[03:16] <Jack3> so i type the nvidia-xconfig command in root and restart X but it gives the same error
[03:16] <PovAddict> Jack3: did you *reboot* after installing the drivers?
[03:16] <wirechief__> nosrednaekim: yes
[03:16] <PovAddict> I think just an X restart is enough, but...
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> wirechief__: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24/+bug/118605/
[03:17] <Jack3> PovAddict, yes
[03:17] <richard_> yesterday someone helped me to use Konsole to acces a program called something kat, I needed it to try to run a command line,could someone tell me what goes before kate?e
[03:17] <richard_> kate
[03:18] <Jack3> nosrednaekim, total 503 used 487 free 16 and for -/+ buffers/cache 309 used 193 free
[03:18] <PovAddict> richard_: just type 'kate' and it opens
[03:18] <richard_> i need to acces to boot file so I can try to set up dual booting using 2 hard drives
[03:18] <richard_> thank you
[03:18] <PovAddict> now that's different
[03:18] <PovAddict> if you need to edit such files, you need to run kate as root
[03:19] <nosrednaekim> richard_: kdesudo kate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:19] <rapha> how I register my nick at this IRC Chanel?
[03:19] <nate_> is says i do not have rights to access this folder
[03:19] <nosrednaekim> !register
[03:19] <sFEARs> and you used sudo kate at the konsole
[03:19] <rapha> !register
[03:20] <PovAddict> rapha: read what ubottu said
[03:20] <wirechief__> nosrednaekim: i can use RSEIUB  or use a ctrl alt f1 and do shutdown -h now
[03:20] <crash> !source
[03:20] <crash> !kernel
[03:20] <crash> sigh
[03:20] <nate_> yes i did, i see it as /dev/hdb1 if i use df -h
[03:20] <crash> how do I get the kernel source?
[03:21] <PovAddict> crash: www.kernel.org
[03:21] <billr> I have specific question about X
[03:21] <richard_> has anyone added the lines tro the boot  program to do dual booting, I have XP on the other hard drive and want to be able to select between the drives on start up
[03:21] <Jack3> PovAddict, http://pastebin.com/m2df0fcad
[03:21] <crash> rephrase: how do I get the kubuntu official kernel source
[03:21] <Jack3> thats my xorg.conf PovAddict
[03:21] <wirechief__> nosrednaekim: but changing back to vesa is what i have to do  this is not a issue with my kanotix on same hd
[03:22] <nosrednaekim> wirechief__: that bug report has a fix...
[03:22] <PovAddict> crash: see what ubottu said about !source :)
[03:22] <sFEARs> wirechief_, try adding acpi=force to your /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:22] <billr> I can't reboot X by ctrl-alt-backspace
[03:22] <sFEARs> make sure you add it to the line of the kernel you boot into
[03:22] <crash> !source
[03:22] <PovAddict> crash: get the source for the apt package of the kernel
[03:22] <wirechief__> sFEAR ok
[03:22] <sFEARs> sFEARs*, all points
[03:23] <crash> so.. sudo apt-get install linuxkernel ??
[03:23] <PovAddict> go read the link
[03:23] <crash> I just did
[03:23] <nate_> sfears , and there is a lock overtop of it
[03:24] <crash> oh wait. many chapters
[03:24] <sFEARs> hummm... mabey because it's open in the other kate session?
[03:24] <PovAddict> it's apt-get source <package name>
[03:24] <PovAddict> and I don't think "linux-kernel" is the package name ;)
[03:24] <sFEARs> that usually doesn't matter, might be a kde thing
[03:24] <BluesKaj> sacktime here ...nite all
[03:25] <billr> night BluesKaj
[03:25] <crash> exactly why im trying to hunt down the package name for the kernel version that kubuntu 8 is on
[03:25] <PovAddict> well look what kernel package you have installed
[03:25] <PovAddict> you surely have one don't you...
[03:25] <nate_> only konversationn is open
[03:25] <richard_> thanks for the info
[03:25] <crash> Indeed I must..
[03:26] <crash> and I should have thought of that solution :x
[03:26] <crash> thanks tho
[03:26] <richard_> has anyone set up dual boot 2 hard drives?
[03:26] <wirechief__> nosrednaekim: i have tried update-rc.d -f atieventsd remove  (it was suppose to help) but not in my case
[03:26] <sFEARs> maybe "sudo kate" then once it's running open "/etc/fstab"?
[03:26] <PovAddict> crash: aptitude search "linux-image~i"
[03:26] <sFEARs> make sure your at konsole & "sudo kate"
[03:26] <sFEARs> that should open kate with admin
[03:27] <billr> Kiss me Kate works too - but only if you're John Wayne
[03:27] <crash> um
[03:27] <crash> Dude
[03:27] <crash> You'll never belive this
[03:27] <jeiworth> anyone here also has problems burning dvd-iso's with k3b since upgrading to 8.04? i only just tested 2 different isos 2 times each and everytime it burns around 200mb, freezes for ca. 30?sec and then curiously enough tells me that burning was succesful :-/
[03:27] <crash> but the package name is linux-soure
[03:27] <richard_> the
[03:28] <PovAddict> crash: surprise
[03:28] <sFEARs> damn those linux developers making thing easy!, who do they think we are? average users? how dare they!
[03:28] <PovAddict> lol
[03:28] <billr> "Linux-source" or "linux-soure'?
[03:28] <wirechief__> lol
[03:28] <nate_> sudo kate didn't ask for a password and it is empty.....sfears
[03:28] <crash> linux-source
[03:29] <crash> its not nice to point out my massive typos.
[03:29] <stdin> erm, don't use sudo with GUI apps...
[03:29] <sFEARs> pasword saves for 2 min or something, file/open/etc/fstab
[03:29] <billr> I thought it might have been french
[03:29] <crash> nate_: typing sudo one time in the console saves that login for all future sudo commands in that session
[03:30] <nate_> cool
[03:30] <PovAddict> crash: if you don't use sudo for some minutes it will "forget" the pw and ask it again next time
[03:30] <stdin> kdesudo does the same, fyi
[03:30]  * crash settles in to wait for the archive to get off its but and start sending me data
[03:30] <sFEARs> i'm not sure why kdesudo didn't work from alt f2
[03:30] <sFEARs> there's a frustration thing.. took us all that time just to figure out how to save a file
[03:30] <stdin> depends what you told it to do
[03:30] <billr> I'm not sure why ctrl-alt-backspace isn't working right
[03:31] <crash> good lord the linux source must be huge.
[03:32] <wirechief__> sFEARs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/209324 this looks like my posting of this issue, aka cat in a tree
[03:32] <billr> anyone every have a problem with restarting X?
[03:32] <billr> hmmmm
[03:32] <billr> thanks ubottu
[03:32] <wirechief__> billr: only with fglrx
[03:32] <billr> which I have
[03:32] <billr> that answers that
[03:33] <wirechief__> see the bug
[03:33] <wirechief__> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/209324
[03:33] <billr> aahhh... get the Raid!
[03:33] <wirechief__> bilr a workaround is to use RSEIUB
[03:34] <wirechief__> sure doesnt say much for using fglrx and Kubuntu or Ubuntu
[03:35] <nate_> how can i unlock the folder it just created?
[03:36] <[1]Jack3> okay something is messed up
[03:36] <[1]Jack3> i have 2 apps open, say one is kate one is firefox, if kate is above firefox and i click on firefox, kate is still in front, until i click the blue top bar of firefox then firefox comes forward
[03:36] <[1]Jack3> how do i stop this. it is sooo annoying
[03:36] <billr> wirechief: I'm not familiar with RSEIUB
[03:37] <nate_> how did i lock the folder i just created
[03:37] <wirechief__> well google will give more information but you can ctrl alt SysRq R  and do the rest the same way and it will reboot without busting your filesystem do to a power down.
[03:38] <billr> wirechief: thanks
[03:38] <wirechief__> billr you need big hands
[03:38] <PovAddict> [1]Jack3: you can make it "raise on click" on settings
[03:38] <crash> my download has stalled. this displeases me.
[03:39] <sFEARs> kdesudo kate /etc/fstab
[03:39] <sFEARs> doesn't ctrl+alt+f1 work billr
[03:39] <sFEARs> sorry.. does*
[03:39] <sFEARs> then ctrl+alt+f7 bring you back
[03:39] <sFEARs> did acpi work wirechief_ ?
[03:40] <billr> sFEARs: haven't tried that recently - worked a few days ago ... brb
[03:40] <wirechief__> billr: ctrl alt f1 then shutdown -h  should work too
[03:40] <sFEARs> sorry.. nice little disconnect there
[03:40] <billr> sFEARs: those work
[03:40] <sFEARs> nate_, when you used sudo to create the folder, it gave it admin wrights, these can be changed
[03:41] <billr> Wirechief: and the login inbetween of course
[03:41] <billr> ;)
[03:41] <wirechief__> yes
[03:41] <sFEARs> i have no idea why ctrl+alt+backspace would work billr
[03:41] <sFEARs> wouldn't*
[03:41] <wirechief__> this bug bites on that sFEARs
[03:42] <billr> sFEARs: from what wirechief sent it's may be a bug related to the fglrx driver for my ATI card
[03:42] <wirechief__> locks up the RSEIUB only way out
[03:42] <sFEARs> yeah.. huge amounts of problems can be linked to proprietary graphics drivers
[03:42] <sFEARs> is your system fully updated?
[03:42] <wirechief__> billr: yes
[03:42] <sFEARs> and that apic option didn't work wirechief_
[03:43] <wirechief__> sFEARS havent tried yet
[03:43] <billr> sFEARs: it started happening after the Kubuntu update.
[03:43] <sFEARs> ohhh,
[03:43] <Jack3> how do i stop this. it is sooo annoying
[03:43] <Jack3> frick
[03:43] <Jack3> how do i kill X server from command line?
[03:43] <PovAddict> Jack3: same as any other process
[03:44] <billr> sFEARs: it went away after the KDE update to 4 but was back the second time I tried it after the upgrade
[03:44] <Jack3> i dont know the proc name though
[03:44] <sFEARs> and everything goes back to normal if you disable the restricted drivers?
[03:44] <wirechief__> rebooting now
[03:45] <crash> what the heck happened.
[03:45] <billr> sFEARs: haven't tried that yet.  Give me more than a few minutes ... ;-)
[03:45] <crash> my download was cruising along, and then it hasnt budged %2 in 20 minutes
[03:45] <sFEARs> what are you downloading crash?
[03:45] <billr> crash: sounds like it crashed and burned ... ;-)
[03:45] <crash> kernel source
[03:46] <sFEARs> netsplit perhaps?
[03:46] <bill__> bmax39
[03:46] <nate_> sfears: still sayin i do not have rights to access
[03:46] <nate_> d_Drive
[03:47] <sFEARs> open konqueror with admin, right click on the folder & set the permissions to read/write for all users
[03:47] <Jack3> can someone please tell me the X process name
[03:47] <martin_> How do I inhibit suspend (while a backup job is running)?
[03:48] <bpat1434> Hi all.  I'm having an issue here.  When I boot up (Kubuntu-KDE4) I get an warning/error box stating that kdesudo is missing arguments.  Is there something wrong, or will rebooting actually take care of this at some point?
[03:49] <sFEARs> Jack3, /usr/bin/X
[03:49] <sFEARs> process is capitol X
[03:49] <Jack3> how do i list all processes running
[03:49] <monkeybritches> ps aux
[03:49] <sFEARs> htop
[03:50] <sirmike1970md> does anybody know how to how if your logged into e-kde "enightment" to selcect a theme
[03:50] <sFEARs> any luck wirechief?
[03:50] <monkeybritches> bpat1434: Is it affecting performance?
[03:50] <sirmike1970md> elightenment
[03:50] <bpat1434> monkeybritches:  I'm not sure, I get an error when I try to use the Hardware Devices manager to enable my broadcom wireless card
[03:51] <wirechief> sF
[03:51] <wirechief> sFEARs:  BINGO
[03:51] <nate_> ok sfears, i can open it but now cant change permissions
[03:51] <wirechief> sFEARs: works now
[03:51] <monkeybritches> I recall reading about broadcom cards having problems on ubuntuforums.org. Have you tried a search there yet?
[03:51] <sFEARs> good stuff wirechief
[03:52] <sFEARs> nate_, did you use sudo to open konqueror?
[03:52] <neon> is there a way to sync ipaq under ubuntu
[03:52] <monkeybritches> Damn it
[03:52] <monkeybritches> Can't seem to read and type at the same time.
[03:52] <Jack3> guys i need a way of killing x and running a the nividia installed
[03:52] <wirechief> sFEARs: i have trouble with acpi on this machine. usually end up with noacpi too
[03:52] <nate_> yes in konsole i typed sudo konquer
[03:52] <PovAddict> what would "$KDEDIR/share/config" be in Kubuntu?
[03:52] <PovAddict>  /usr/share something?
[03:52] <nate_> and the lock went away
[03:52] <sFEARs> billr, try adding the force=apic to your /boot/grub/menu.lst file for the kernel your using
[03:52] <monkeybritches> x doesn't like to be killed.
[03:53] <sFEARs> see if that fixes your ctrl+alt+backspace issue
[03:53] <bpat1434> monkeybritches: sorry, my xchat keeps crashing.  I just rebooted, didn't get the error
[03:53] <monkeybritches> Yes, it does appear to be crashing. :(|)
[03:53] <sFEARs> if there's no lock there should be full access to that folder nate_
[03:53] <sFEARs> what exactally are you trying to do?
[03:54] <billr> sFEARs: thanks, I'll give that a whirl
[03:55] <wirechief> sFEARs: anyway to get updates to run after 3am (besides getting up and doing it ) ?
[03:55] <nate_> its full access i open konquer from the sudo konsole but not the taskbar
[03:55] <bpat1434> monkeybritches: sorry, my irc client keeps crapping out
[03:56] <bpat1434> monkeybritches: I just restarted, and it didn't show up.  Although here is another issue (will ask in general topic though)
[03:56] <bpat1434> While using the "Hardware Devices" manager, I click "enable" for my Broadcom wireless card, and my nvidia graphics card.  When adept starts up, it complains that there is already a lock in place.  How can I fix this?
[03:57] <bpat1434> ah crap... ignore that... wrong channel
[03:57] <sFEARs> yeah wirechief, i'm pretty sure you can, let me try to find the name of the program
[03:58] <wirechief> k
[03:58] <sFEARs> is there some kind of option in synaptic to set up timed updates maybe?
[03:58] <wirechief> having satelite is hard on sleep habits;)
[03:59] <wirechief> i was thinking a cron job but not sure how that would play out
[03:59] <wirechief> maybe need a script to be run
[04:01] <wirechief> i think im using adept
[04:01] <wirechief> kuuntu
[04:01] <sFEARs> ohh yeah, i keep forgetting which room i'm in
[04:01] <wirechief> sleep is coming on..
[04:01] <wirechief> well thats ok, i ll check back later maybe toomorow and see ya
[04:01] <sFEARs> but, but, family guy is on
[04:02] <sFEARs> later
[04:02] <mauro> Error Starting up. acpi=force is required to enable ACPI. then blue screen
[04:02] <wirechief> thanks for the bug fix with fglrx though , now i will have to update my entry on bug regport ;)
[04:02] <nate_> im goin to bed g'night all]
[04:02] <sFEARs> blue screen?
[04:02] <wirechief> gn8
[04:03] <sFEARs> yeah yeah
[04:03] <mauro> sFEARs: I have retrurned. Error Starting up. acpi=force is required to enable ACPI. then blue screen
[04:04] <AndreSTC> how do i format one cd-rw?
[04:04] <mauro> sFEARs: I have write acpi=force at the end and the problem is still happening
[04:04] <sFEARs> and you sucessfully entered acpi=force at the command line?
[04:04] <bibstha> helo, can apt use a socks proxy
[04:05] <sFEARs> maruo do you have restricted graphics drivers installed & enabled?
[04:05] <mike-kubuntu> hey, anyone know where i can get the md5 sums for the i386 dvd
[04:05] <mike-kubuntu> i've downloaded and burned multiple times and there are always cd errors
[04:05] <sFEARs> if so, disable them & see if you still have issues
[04:05] <sFEARs> what do you mean by cd errors mike-kubuntu
[04:05] <bibstha> mike-kubuntu: u can see it in the server
[04:05] <bibstha> md5sum should be there
[04:06] <sFEARs> the cd doesn't burn correctally or the cd doesn't boot after it sucessfully burns
[04:06] <mauro> sFEARs: at the command line? I have a boot menu when I star. I enter e twice and then wrote acpi=force and reboot
[04:06] <mike-kubuntu> sFears: one of em wouldn't boot
[04:06] <mauro> i do not know if i have restricted graphics installed
[04:07] <mike-kubuntu> sFears: the next two failed while installing and stated it was usually a bad cd error
[04:07] <mike-kubuntu> sFears: one around 70%, the other around 20
[04:07] <mike-kubuntu> also everywhere that offers the i386 cd seems to be down, i get file cannot be downloaded contact the server administrator on the mirrors
[04:07] <bibstha> mike-kubuntu: u using kubuntu dvd?
[04:08] <mauro> sFEARs: i do not know if i have restricted graphics installed
[04:08] <mike-kubuntu> bibstha: the one that wouldn't boot was the cd, the other two were the dvd
[04:08] <sFEARs> almost mauro, when you reboot, in the first 10 seconds while your computer is starting keep hitting esc untill a boot menu pops up, should give a couple options like kubuntu & recovery mode, from there at the bottom it should say press C for command line, at that command line type the "force=apic" and hit enter to boot
[04:08] <bibstha> http://ubuntu.gds.tuwien.ac.at/cdimage/releases/hardy/ has md5sums for cds
[04:08] <calcmandan> I see there is a huge update on 8.04 via Updater.  Anyone experience issues with the update or should I go for it?
[04:09] <sFEARs> mike-kubuntu, are you sure your burning the iso properly, you can't write a bootable cd like you write a regular date cd/dvd
[04:09] <Arrow> Hi all
[04:09] <sFEARs> regular data* cd/dvd
[04:09] <mike-kubuntu> sFears: using k3b
[04:09] <sFEARs> yeah
[04:09] <bibstha> mike-kubuntu: here is the md5 sum for dvd http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/ubuntu-cdimage/kubuntu/releases/hardy/release/MD5SUMS
[04:10] <mike-kubuntu> thanks, i'll chedck it against mine
[04:10] <mauro> sFEARs: Yes, i have this options. If i enter in Kubuntu the msg is written in the screen and then appears the blue screen. If i enter in recovery mode i have no problem
[04:10] <sFEARs> mike-kubuntu,
[04:10] <sFEARs> in k3b, under tools, use the burn iso option
[04:10] <mike-kubuntu> sFears: yeah, been doin it that way with verify burn
[04:10] <crash> ok, I need a hand on this one. How the heck do I use a .patch file to update a driver?
[04:10] <sFEARs> ok
[04:11] <sFEARs> i think .patch files are used on the source code before you compile crash
[04:11] <mauro> sFEARs: I have a question. Do i have to write apic=force or acpi=force?
[04:11] <sFEARs> whatever it told you that it needed
[04:11] <crash> so I have to get the b43 source code to?
[04:12] <sFEARs> did the .patch file come with a README
[04:12] <mauro> sFEARs: ok. So, should i try to write acpi=force at the command line with C? or editing with e?
[04:13] <sFEARs> C
[04:13] <sFEARs> or you can add acpi=force to your /boot/grub/menu.lst file, but you don't know if it works or not soooo....
[04:15] <Hrontore> I wonder why that there is system instability with my machine. adept and mozilla randomly quit.
[04:15] <Hrontore> I wonder if synaptic can shed anylight on this.
[04:16] <Arrow> Hi a question does Hardy have the radeonhd driver?
[04:16] <mauro> sFEARs: sudo kate /boot/grub/menu.lst? But where i have to add acpi=force
[04:16] <crash> sFEARs: It did, but it contains no information. Its a patch for the b43 wifi drivers, if that provides any info
[04:17] <sFEARs> at the end of the line of the kernel that your using
[04:17] <sFEARs> are there any other text files in there, sometimes there are detailed install instructions
[04:17] <sFEARs> maybe named install, possibly in a make file
[04:17] <crash> i shall lcheck again
[04:18] <mauro> sFEARs: Sorry. But i do not know where i have to add the line
[04:19] <sFEARs> no prob mauro use pastebin  and paste your menu.lst file i'll look at it for you
[04:20] <[Relic]> wonder if going back to 7.10 would be better than wasting more time figuring out the grub read error problem
[04:20] <bibstha> did proftpd disappear in hardy?
[04:21] <bibstha> can anyone confirm if they have proftpd in their package list?
[04:21] <mauro> sFEARs: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10864/
[04:23] <sFEARs> /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-16-generic root=UUID=44784bc1-f5f6-4dc8-af96-8dd72b90b5f4 ro quiet splash... directally after that line
[04:23] <sFEARs> splash force=apic
[04:23] <sFEARs> or acip or whatever it is
[04:23] <Hrontore> anyone have teh command for listing the running processes in konsole?
[04:23] <bibstha> Hrontore: ps aux
[04:23] <bibstha> or top
[04:23] <sFEARs> or htop
[04:24] <Hrontore> bibstha: thnx
[04:24] <bibstha> sFEARs: hey can help me, see if you have proftpd in package list?
[04:26] <sFEARs> yes i do.. among about 10 others that come up with the search
[04:26] <bibstha> somethings wrong, i got main universe multivers
[04:26] <bibstha> and its not showing
[04:26] <sFEARs> i havn't upgraded to 8.04 yet
[04:27] <mauro> sFEARs: I can not find this line in the menu.lst
[04:28] <mauro> sFEARs: I found the line
[04:28] <sFEARs> it's almost at the bottom mauro,
[04:28] <sFEARs> add that option after splash
[04:29] <mauro> sFEARs: splash acpi=force. Then save the file and?
[04:30] <sFEARs> and reboot
[04:31] <sFEARs> hopefully you won't get the error telling you to force acpi because your forcing acpi
[04:31] <mauro> sFEARs: ok. I will reboor and then i came back
[04:31] <sFEARs> cool
[04:34] <crash> man, the more I read about this, the less I understand
[04:35] <martin_> Gah. I still can't figure out how to prevent suspend. The Guidance applet does not seem to have any relevant dcop slots, the suggested GNOME DBUS call has no receiver (obviously) and I can't figure out how to prevent it at the ACPI level; I though I should be able to put a failing script in /etc/acpi/suspend.d, but that does not seem to do it. Any ideas?
[04:36] <sFEARs> you lost me at guidance martin_
[04:37] <sFEARs> crash, not following the .patch install instructions
[04:37] <martin_> sFEARs: That's the kubuntu power manager, sitting in the tray.
[04:38] <sFEARs> i'm actually on ubuntu, i'm substituting in kubuntu today
[04:38] <lunchbox330> ok guys, i got a ktorrent problem, my torrents always stop uploading after about a minute...
[04:38] <sFEARs> are you using comcast lunchbox330 ?
[04:39] <lunchbox330> if i stop then start they go again for about a minute then stop
[04:39] <lunchbox330> nope, cox
[04:39] <sFEARs> i've heard stories of ISP's throtteling torrent uploads
[04:39] <martin_> In GNOME it is easy; there is a DBUS call org.gnome.PowerManager.Inhibit()
[04:39] <lunchbox330> i get good dl speeds though
[04:40] <mauro> sFEARs: When i reboot. After the same message appears "Unable to load the system description tables". But then appear the blue screen. I have to enter in recovery mode
[04:40] <lunchbox330> but my demonoid ratio is going down fast, is it a ktorrent thing maybe? my ports are forwarded and everything.
[04:41] <sFEARs> that's all i got for ya mauro, go back into your menu.lst file & take that option out
[04:42] <mauro> sFEARs: So, I can not fix it??
[04:42] <sFEARs> lunchbox330, you can try a different torrent program & see what happens
[04:42] <sFEARs> i'm not sure what to tell you to do mauro, we forced acpi and it didn't work
[04:43] <lunchbox330> no other programs work, they all suck and have never worked for me on multiple pcs and in multiple states
[04:43] <lunchbox330> ktorrent is the best
[04:43] <sFEARs> the only other idea i have is disabeing your restricted drivers.. but i'm not sure where to do that in KDE
[04:43] <lunchbox330> but this problem is recent
[04:43] <mauro> sFEARs: OK. Thanks. But this problem is related with the problem with the sound in my pc. Or they are different?
[04:43] <sFEARs> some where in your control panel/system settings there's a restricted drivers manager
[04:44] <sFEARs> look around for that for a while, it's in there somewhere
[04:44] <sFEARs> i wouldn't guess they are different
[04:44] <lunchbox330> deluge cant remember ratios, azureus doesnt work at all, neither does transmission (they dont upload or download)
[04:44] <sFEARs> from a konsole try alsamixer & make sure all your levels are turned up
[04:45] <lunchbox330> i think i figured it out though, i only had 2 upload slots, thanks guys
[04:45] <mauro> sFEARs: this is for me?
[04:45] <sFEARs> i don't use torrents very often lunchbox330 i'm not sure what it could be
[04:45] <sFEARs> yes mauro.. try alsamixer
[04:45] <sFEARs> it's your sound card volumes
[04:46] <mauro> sFEARs: I have to write alsamixer in a konsole?
[04:46] <sFEARs> yup
[04:46] <sFEARs> then use the arrow keys
[04:46] <mauro> sFEARs: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[04:47] <mauro> sFEARs: appear this msg
[04:47] <sFEARs> interesting
[04:48] <sFEARs> mauro, make sure your alsa sound drivers are installed
[04:49] <mauro> sFEARs: KMIX, at the bottom of the desktop appear with a red cross
[04:49] <sFEARs> click on that & make sure it's not muted
[04:49] <mauro> sFEARs: how can i check if the alsa sound drivers are installed?
[04:50] <sFEARs> search adept for alsa & see what's installed & what's not
[04:52] <sFEARs> in your k menu somewhere is adept package manager, do a search for alsa & make sure the main package is installed
[04:52] <mauro> appears a small empty window
[04:52] <mauro> sFEARs: appears a small empty window
[04:55] <mauro> if i seaaarch for alsa i does not appear nothing. Only Balsa, E-mail utility
[04:55] <mauro> sFEARs: if i seaarch for alsa i does not appear nothing. Only Balsa, E-mail utility
[04:58] <sFEARs> sorry mauro, i'm not sure what to tell you
[05:02] <mauro> sFEARs: ok. Do not worry. Thanks. I am uruguayan and i do not speak english very well. I am glad that you can understand "my english"
[05:04] <dbglt> is there a reason why when I click manage repositories, adept simply runs an update...?
[05:04] <mauro> sFEARs: i have found the alsa packages. Shoud i have to install all of them?
[05:05] <sFEARs> not all of them.. just the main driver package
[05:06] <dbglt> any  ideas?
[05:06] <mauro> sFEARs: I have installed only ALSA Mixer
[05:10] <stevenjoseph> hi all..
[05:11] <stevenjoseph> i just screwed up my kubuntu install ... removed libc6
[05:11] <stevenjoseph> any fixes
[05:12] <Hydrogen> ...
[05:12] <Hydrogen> how?
[05:13] <flaccid> stevenjoseph: why you remove?
[05:13] <stevenjoseph> i was having some errors in dpkg..
[05:13] <stevenjoseph> after installing kdm ...
[05:14] <Hydrogen> well, thats one way to get rid of them :-)
[05:14] <flaccid> hehe
[05:14] <stevenjoseph> now im stuck with  a volatile system .. cant start anything ...
[05:15] <flaccid> try google...
[05:15] <flaccid> its going to be pretty manual if you can't apt
[05:15] <stevenjoseph> looks like i'll have to use a rescue disc
[05:15] <flaccid> i guess you could copy from livecd after checking the contents of the package as long as versions match
[05:16] <flaccid> i bbs
[05:16] <stevenjoseph> ya ... or maybe some workaround using chroot ...??
[05:17] <flaccid> check out google im just getting a beer :)
[05:17] <stevenjoseph> on it already ...
[05:19] <mortici> what came after feisty?
[05:21] <Hydrogen> gutsy
[05:25] <thedanyes> hey guys
[05:25] <thedanyes> anyone know how to restrict your mouse to a single window in kde?
[05:26] <thedanyes> i'm running kubuntu 8.04
[05:26] <thedanyes> i've researched it for a couple hours but haven't come up with anything
[05:29] <thedanyes> any ideas?
[05:33] <needhelp> hi how can i copy the DAT files of a VCD and make it into DVD playable in kubuntu?
[05:35] <dthacker> thedanyes: do you mean you want your mouse to stay in one window and not be able to move outside of it to another window?
[05:35] <needhelp> !dvd
[05:38] <thedanyes> dthacker: yes!
[05:38] <thedanyes> dthacker: thanks for responding :)
[05:39] <dthacker> thedanyes: that's an unusual request.  I think the closest thing I know how to do is only make the current window active.
[05:39] <thedanyes> dthacker: well let me explain, i'm running starcraft in a wine virtual desktop, and its hard to use because the cursor always runs outside the wine virtual desktop unlike normally when you play starcraft full screen
[05:40] <thedanyes> and i would like to be able to hit alt+f3 or something and toggle mouse movement outside that single window
[05:40] <thedanyes> so that i can keep my normal desktop resolution
[05:40] <thedanyes> instead of switching to 640x480
[05:41] <thedanyes> maybe some third party app, or maybe a different desktop environment could help?
[05:41] <dthacker> thedanyes: that does make sense.  I'm poking around in Settings-Window Behavior now.
[05:41] <crweb> thedanyes: you can tell wine to grab the pointer
[05:41] <needhelp> i got a bunch of DAT files from alot of VCDs.. i want to make them into a DVD..how can i do that?
[05:41] <thedanyes> crweb: i tried setting that option in winecfg
[05:41] <thedanyes> crweb: but it doesn't seem to change anything
[05:42] <dthacker> focus stealing prevention level looks promising.
[05:42] <thedanyes> crweb: that option is apparently only for directx apps?  starcraft is opengl?
[05:43] <thedanyes> dthacker: i saw that option, but i didn't understand what it meant.
[05:43] <crweb> thedanyes: i don't think so.  did you try running with desktop = no, but without fullscreen on
[05:43] <thedanyes> crweb: ok maybe we are talking about different options.
[05:44] <thedanyes> crweb: the one i'm talking about is in winecfg on the graphics tab it says 'allow directx apps to stop the mouse leaving their window'
[05:44] <thedanyes> crweb: are you talking about a different one?
[05:44] <crweb> "DXGrab" = "Y"
[05:45] <crweb> opengl is graphics only. windows app would still probably use DirectX Input
[05:45] <thedanyes> crweb: ok. if i run without a virtual desktop, starcraft runs full screen
[05:45] <thedanyes> crweb: there is no windowed mode in starcraft
[05:45] <thedanyes> crweb: when run in its native environment
[05:46] <thedanyes> so yeah, that works, but it brings me back to having a full screen at 640x480 and my second screen blank
[05:46] <crweb> ok, so you need virtual desktop nowdays probably
[05:49] <crweb> thedanyes: you use winecfg ?
[05:49] <thedanyes> crweb: yeah
[05:49] <thedanyes> crweb: running kubuntu 8.04
[05:50] <thedanyes> crweb: wine 0.9.59 i believe
[05:51] <thedanyes> i'm looking at the focus stealing prevention setting and it doesn't seem to apply
[05:52] <crweb> the directx grab should work
[05:52] <crweb> def turn off let window manager manage the windows
[05:53] <thedanyes> crweb: yeah i've had that directx grab setting on for awhile i believe, i'll  try it again though. oh ok and i'll turn off the window manager
[05:53] <crweb> I've done it before, so i know you can ;)
[05:54] <thedanyes> oh hey
[05:54] <thedanyes> well it doesn't keep the cursor in the window still
[05:54] <thedanyes> but at least it moves the right way when my mouse is outside the window
[05:55] <crweb> yeah, thats the best you can get
[05:55] <thedanyes> so thats a reasonable solution for me i suppose.  would be great if they added a feature for that in the kde advance window settings
[05:55] <crweb> because the cursor still belongs to X11
[05:55] <crweb> would be nice if they did the vmware type thing though
[05:55] <thedanyes> yeah true
[05:55] <thedanyes> well thanks crweb and dthacker :)
[05:55] <crweb> i think that is different functionality.  Window grabbing the input
[05:56] <dthacker> np, I learned something too! :)
[06:03] <jameswf-home> Does Ububtu 8.04 use /boot/menu.list and if so why does mine show the right stuff for 8.04 but at boot it tries to load 7.10 though there is no 7.10 stuff in menu,lst... yes I have run update-grub
[06:05] <[Relic]>  /boot/grub/menu.lst ?
[06:05] <jameswf-home> thats what i was goin for..
[06:05] <dbglt> Whenever I set  my font to arial in systemsettings -> appearance -> font, it pretends to do so (and the arial font shows up in the preview), but when I click apply and close systemsettings, it doesn't save my font changes... any ideas what could be wrong?
[06:07] <jameswf-home> Does Ubuntu 8.04 use /boot/grub/menu.list and if so why does mine show the right stuff for 8.04 but at boot it tries to load 7.10 though there is no 7.10 stuff in menu.lst... yes I have run update-grub
[06:07] <Carutsu> is there a program to securely delete the "free" space of a disk for linux?
[06:07] <jameswf-home> crap sorry
[06:07] <flaccid> jameswf-home: edit it manually i guess then
[06:08] <jameswf-home> every boot kinda painful
[06:08] <flaccid> just edit menu.list and the changes are permanent
[06:09] <stefan_> how do you start the default virtual machine manager in ubuntu 8.04?
[06:09] <jameswf-home> menu.list does NOT reflect the menu at boot
[06:11] <flaccid> jameswf-home: then i don't know what you have done
[06:11] <flaccid> or what ubuntu did
[06:12] <flaccid> jameswf-home: the first few entries here could be related: http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=menu.list+ubuntu+hardy&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
[06:14] <flaccid> i would encourage following !bugs with this
[06:25] <Bria3> dragonsclr. KUBUNTU SUPPORT BAD!
[06:26] <Hydrogen> interesting..
[06:32] <flaccid> that was unintelligient lol
[06:39] <dwidmann> flaccid: s/unintelligient/unintelligent
[06:40] <flaccid> yeah i have a bit of a fuxed keyboard + drinking beer
[06:41] <flaccid> which i guess makes me the latter
[06:43] <dwidmann> not saying that, just saying that it was a very funny word to mispell/typo :P
[06:43] <Hydrogen> untelligent.
[06:45] <dwidmann> I'm not laughing.
[06:45] <flaccid> i agree
[06:46] <flaccid> well im lauggin at myself
[06:46] <flaccid> ^^ intentional
[06:46] <Daisuke_Ido> lies :P
[06:46]  * flaccid roflmaocopters
[06:46] <flaccid> i just made myself feel like aol. im so OT. sorry.
[06:46] <dwidmann> ..... wtf
[06:47] <flaccid> yes im crazy..
[06:53] <mike-kubuntu> hey, i'm trying to download 8.04 and i've gotten the same bad md5sum through keb on the image from several different mirrors
[06:53] <mike-kubuntu> is there anything i can do to stop the error?
[06:53] <flaccid> keb?
[06:53] <mike-kubuntu> k3b
[06:53] <mike-kubuntu> it gives you an md5sum of the image prior to burning it
[06:53] <flaccid> so you saying that the md5sums don't match, yet they should?
[06:54] <flaccid> or is it k3b giving you error in creating checksum
[06:54] <Daisuke_Ido> mike-kubuntu: are you comparing it to the right iso's md5sum?
[06:54] <mike-kubuntu> yeah, 2 times in a row i've gotten, 8895167a795c5d8dedcc312fc62f1f1f for the i386 desktop cd
[06:54] <Daisuke_Ido> uh
[06:54] <Daisuke_Ido> ...
[06:55] <ubuntu> Problem-I type in my password press enter and instead of logging in it restarts the login screen.What can I do?
[06:55] <flaccid> mike-kubuntu: please just paste the filename of the .iso
[06:55] <mike-kubuntu> but according to the md5sum information i can find its supposed to be 22eefa07792160d5b0f398024b397349
[06:55] <flaccid> ubuntu: i guess you could check logs in a tty
[06:55] <mike-kubuntu> flaccid: ubuntu-8.04-desktop-i386.iso
[06:56] <Daisuke_Ido> 8895167a794c5d8dedcc312fc62f1f1f *ubuntu-8.04-desktop-i386.iso
[06:56] <flaccid> thanks i'll go look a bit
[06:56] <Daisuke_Ido> there is nothing like the md5 you posted anywhere on the 8.04 md5sums page
[06:56] <mike-kubuntu> d'oh sorry, i was looking at the .metaling md5sums instead of the iso md5sums
[06:57] <Daisuke_Ido> ah
[06:57] <mike-kubuntu> *metalink
[06:57] <Daisuke_Ido> there we go
[06:57] <Daisuke_Ido> so you've downloaded the right file several times in a row :D
[06:57] <flaccid> yeah um, try doing md5sum ./ubuntu-8.04-desktop-i386.iso in konsole and see if its a dif sum to what k3b reports
[06:57] <Daisuke_Ido> at least the mirrors are consistent :)
[06:57] <Daisuke_Ido> flaccid: problem fixed, nothing was giving a wrong sum
[06:57] <mike-kubuntu> lol, aff, i have my sanity back
[06:58] <flaccid> sorry it was fixed?
[06:58] <Daisuke_Ido> flaccid: he was looking at the wrong list of md5sums
[06:58] <Ayabara> Hey. I use kopete in kde4/kubuntu. When I set message notification to "flash taskbar entry", is it possible to make the alert reach me when I'm on another virtual desktop?
[06:58] <flaccid> ah ok np
[06:58] <Daisuke_Ido> turns out he had the right file (correct and complete) each time, but he was comparing to the wrong entry
[06:59] <Daisuke_Ido> it happens
[06:59] <Daisuke_Ido> not a huge deal
[06:59] <flaccid> ya
[06:59] <dwidmann> flaccid: http://www.xnowherex.com/images/youarehere.jpg
[06:59] <mike-kubuntu> yeah, thanks :-[
[07:00] <flaccid> lol true, im a bit out of it today. but im in australia, which is off the map!
[07:00] <Daisuke_Ido> wow.  i pretty much inhabit the entire southern hemisphere.
[07:00] <flaccid> its funny where facebook is..
[07:01] <Daisuke_Ido> i like the hidden continent
[07:01] <Daisuke_Ido> but having facebook there makes perfect sense.
[07:03] <flaccid> hah
[07:04] <ubuntu> What an earth is this:http://totalonline.webmode.com/
[07:04] <flaccid> a domain for sale it appers
[07:04] <mocoseco> hola
[07:05] <flaccid> howdy
[07:05] <ubuntu> It is chinese!
[07:05] <Daisuke_Ido> no
[07:05] <Daisuke_Ido> it isn't.
[07:06] <flaccid> lol so
[07:06] <flaccid> ubuntu: what country are you in?
[07:06] <ubuntu> O...k What about this one-My own site:http://totalonline.webnode.com/
[07:06] <Daisuke_Ido> closer to korean, but i still don't think that's right
[07:06] <ubuntu> Could it be translated?
[07:07] <Daisuke_Ido> ubuntu: difference between webmode and webnode
[07:07] <ubuntu> Webmode:domain for sale
[07:07] <flaccid> totalonline is a weird name. i mean if you are online you are online..
[07:07] <ubuntu> Webnode:Website making
[07:08] <Daisuke_Ido> it is korean
[07:08] <ubuntu> How did you know that?
[07:08] <Daisuke_Ido> see the text down by the email link?
[07:09] <ubuntu> Ahh...
[07:09] <Daisuke_Ido> i selected and copied that, dropped it into babelfish, and it translates from korean to english as "This mail"
[07:09] <flaccid> easiest way is to look at html sourcE: <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=euc-kr">
[07:09] <Daisuke_Ido> flaccid: i like to think of myself as macgyver for web 2.0
[07:10] <ubuntu> The red text is english?
[07:10] <Daisuke_Ido> don't take that away from me :P
[07:10] <flaccid> lol. ich bin macgyver <-- macgyver is funny in german
[07:10] <Daisuke_Ido> no, it's korean as well, but embedded in an image, so it's not as easy to translate, unless they have a really good alt text
[07:10] <ubuntu> Ohh please has anyone got their site to show me?
[07:10] <flaccid> ubuntu: this is all off-topic..
[07:11] <flaccid> im a webdev but thats beside the point :)
[07:11] <ubuntu> Yes it is...
[07:11] <Daisuke_Ido> if i pasted a link to my site, i would be chased off by half the people and i would become the other half's best friend.
[07:11] <ubuntu> Someone create a new chatroom for websites.
[07:11] <Daisuke_Ido> so...  no.
[07:11] <flaccid> ubuntu: /join #web or #html or #css or do a /list
[07:14] <ubuntu> It is not connecting...
[07:14] <flaccid> !doesntwork | ubuntu
[07:14] <flaccid> thats no good..
[07:16] <ubuntu> Kubuntu bots should be created!
[07:16] <flaccid> what would be the point ubuntu? considering there is no central kubuntu doco
[07:17] <flaccid> ubuntu: ubottu has a contextual feature based on the channel you are in which is used a bit. ie. different factoid if you are in kubuntu channel
[07:17] <ubuntu> Widgets on your desktop that tell you what to do if something  goes wrong-Kubuntu bots!
[07:17] <flaccid> sounds all well and good. but sounds like it requires a lot of intelligience...
[07:18] <flaccid> if that was possible then the 'widget' should just fix. unfortunately there are too many variables here to create such a program
[07:18] <flaccid> ubuntu: give me an example of what you could do wrong? and yeah an irc bot != a widget
[07:18] <dwidmann> embedding me in your computer screen would be illegal ubuntu ;)  So IRC will have to do.
[07:19] <flaccid> well yeah integrating irc into desktop is pretty crazy. people would not like it and its not logical
[07:19] <ubuntu> It would cover icons.....
[07:20] <ubuntu> The ones on your desktop.....
[07:20] <dwidmann> flaccid: no crazier than embedding a terminal in your desktop
[07:20] <ubuntu> Where did that come from-BANGBANG BANG!!!!!
[07:21] <ubuntu> More crazier
[07:21] <flaccid> i disagree and where is a terminal embedded to the desktop?
[07:22] <flaccid> and besides this channel is free arbitary community support. not paid professional support from verified employees.
[07:22] <Daisuke_Ido> can be done through superkaramba, i believe.
[07:22] <flaccid> thats what canonical is for..
[07:22] <flaccid> Daisuke_Ido: hmm
[07:22] <flaccid> i'll check it out!
[07:22] <flaccid> hangong, something replaces superkaramba in kde4 right
[07:22] <Daisuke_Ido> or more practical: yakuake
[07:23] <Daisuke_Ido> flaccid: plasma
[07:23] <flaccid> yeah yakuake is what i use
[07:23] <flaccid> col
[07:23] <flaccid> yeah cool
[07:23] <ubuntu> Nowhere-I managed to plase my_windows taskbar at the bottom of my screen!
[07:23] <Daisuke_Ido> yakuake is a lot more practical, i don't always have access to my desktop (i've got so many things open at one time, it's ridiculous)
[07:23] <ubuntu> Xubuntu-http://www.xubuntu.com/
[07:24] <flaccid> Daisuke_Ido: yeah just press f12 rox my sox
[07:26] <Daisuke_Ido> well, i should get sleep, my history final is in 8 hours.
[07:26] <ubuntu> BangBangBang!!!-There is that noise again!
[07:27] <Daisuke_Ido> what?
[07:27] <ubuntu> BangBangBang!!!-There is that noise again!
[07:27] <flaccid> !ot | ubuntu
[07:30] <ubuntu> Where is #xubuntu?
[07:31] <flaccid> here on freenode ubuntu
[07:31] <flaccid> you do a /join #xubuntu
[07:31] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm guessing in #xubuntu where it always has been
[07:32] <ubuntu> You no those blue bits of text are clickable?
[07:32] <ubuntu> #xubuntu
[07:33] <flaccid> it depends on what irc client you are using
[07:36] <ruhadam> selam
[07:36] <ruhadam> millet bu ubuntu beni delirtecek
[07:36] <ruhadam> bi yardımcı olurmusunzuz
[07:38] <flaccid> ruhadam: english only channel here
[07:38] <ruhadam> ubuntu webcam problem
[07:38] <ruhadam> ok turkish channel where
[07:38] <ruhadam> ?
[07:38] <flaccid> !turkish
[07:38] <flaccid> nabar lan
[07:39] <flaccid> not that i can spell or talk but i wish you luck there
[07:39] <ruhadam> selam millet
[07:39] <flaccid> np take care
[07:43] <flaccid> ok good time to test reboot and if bug is fixed bbs
[07:54] <DrUnKnMuNkY> i can't seem to disable ipv6. does anyone have any ideas?
[07:58] <flaccid> hooray i do updates which are meant to fix things and they break more things
[07:59] <flaccid> single user mode even has a ncurses bug it seems
[07:59] <Pooh22> I'm having a problem compiling digikam 0.9.4-svn (actually, the kipi libs) on hardy (-lGL missing)
[07:59] <Pooh22> any idea which package I need for that?
[08:00] <flaccid> whats the exact error message Pooh22
[08:00] <Pooh22> libgl1-mesa-dev or libglew didn't work
[08:00] <Pooh22> flaccid: hold on...
[08:00] <Pooh22> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGL
[08:01] <claudio> hh
[08:01] <Pooh22> this is in libs/kipi-plugins/imageviewer
[08:01] <Pooh22> also from svn
[08:02] <flaccid> did you google
[08:02] <Pooh22> flaccid: no, not yet
[08:02] <flaccid> always do that first :)
[08:02] <flaccid> saves us doing it :p
[08:03] <Pooh22> ok, doing it now flaccid
[08:04] <flaccid> man i can't even get to single user mode. there is no way unless i boot from livecd which is ridiculous
[08:06] <flaccid> Pooh22: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=opera&rls=en&hs=qXf&q=%22%2Fusr%2Fbin%2Fld%3A+cannot+find+-lGL%22&btnG=Search
[08:06] <Pooh22> flaccid: tnx
[08:07] <flaccid> np
[08:07] <Pooh22> wow, looks like a messy fix ;-)
[08:08] <flaccid> yeah its unfortunate when its like that
[08:10] <Pooh22> it's also not quite suitable for hardy, I had to use libGL.so.169.12 instead
[08:11] <flaccid> yeah i mean im kind of sick of video related problems all round..
[08:12] <flaccid> its rare that both my notebook and desktop don't have them. and that to me is not good enough
[08:13] <wouterh> hi, I have a reproducable crash of adept_manager, how do I generate a usefull crash dump?
[08:13] <wouterh> I can't seem to get apport working on kde programs
[08:14] <flaccid> im getting sick of prop. stuff. i goto nvidia website because i need to use there driver direct and i can't even fill out the form to get the driver because they can't code web
[08:16] <flaccid> ok. now the nvidia site says no downloads for my card. this is um crap
[08:17] <bdizzle> hello?
[08:18] <flaccid> hi
[08:18] <bdizzle> hi
[08:18] <flaccid> how can we help
[08:18] <bdizzle> um, I'm trying to get Java to work under Firefox 2 (Gave up on Firefox 3 for now)
[08:18] <LilSarge> Hello, i have a quick issue
[08:19] <flaccid> !java | bdizzle
[08:19] <flaccid> !ask | LilSarge
[08:19] <LilSarge> I just upgraded from Kubuntu 7.10 to the new 8.04 or w/e it is and programs arent opening correcty. Ex: I open the update program and it hangs for a minute and closes..it never really opens
[08:20] <LilSarge> firefox doesnt even open it freezes
[08:20] <bdizzle> I have Java on Firefox saying that JRE is not installed properly, even though it is installed on the system and I can open OpenOffice, which uses Java to run.
[08:21] <flaccid> LilSarge:  you could submit a bug
[08:21] <flaccid> bdizzle: did you read and follow the above guide?
[08:22] <bdizzle> yeah, did that already
[08:23] <LilSarge> um thx
[08:23] <bdizzle> anytime I go to a website that requires Java plugins for chat rooms, it says JRE isn't installed, and Wikipedia won't load any media
[08:24] <flaccid> i don't use firefox so im sorry i can't help
[08:25] <bdizzle> okay, maybe the problem isn't JRE
[08:26] <bdizzle> I just pulled something up and got Wikipedia media to work in Konqueror
[08:26] <hi> sometimes when i login I don't have any of the normal taskbar items in the right (network, power levels etc that are important). does anyone know what might be going on or is this just normal bugginess?
[08:27] <bdizzle> well, at least got the player to load in Konqueror, but still no sound
[08:30] <flaccid> bdizzle: URI?
[08:30] <bdizzle> hmm?
[08:30] <flaccid> the URL you are testing
[08:30] <bdizzle> I'm still trying to get this to work
[08:31] <LilSarge> im about to go back to Windows Lol
[08:31] <bdizzle> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maple_Leaf_Rag
[08:31] <flaccid> sometimes windows is quite sensible
[08:31] <bdizzle> just using it as a test bed
[08:31] <bdizzle> it is loading, but loading as quicktime, not Java or VLC, both of which I have installed
[08:31]  * flaccid goes to check it out
[08:31] <hi> also a few times today, logging in gave me no desktop icons etc. it seems as soon as i get things comfy, and setup how i like, stuff starts breaking in a few weeks.
[08:32] <bdizzle> but I still have no sound in it
[08:32] <flaccid> is this the play sound button bdizzle?
[08:32] <bdizzle> I'm not sure
[08:32] <LilSarge> yes i agree, i had it all working good again and it breaks..guess i shouldnt have tried updating :(
[08:32] <bdizzle> yeah, I think click on that and it should have an internal player to play audio from
[08:33]  * flaccid goes to try
[08:33] <bdizzle> its claiming under "More" that it is using player: Quicktime (selected)
[08:33] <flaccid> bdizzle: well that is not working for me in opera
[08:33] <bdizzle> I got it to at least load in Konqueror, tells me that the player is not installed in FIrefox
[08:34] <flaccid> which means the problem may not be kubuntu but rather the website
[08:34] <flaccid> bdizzle: you are talking about testing java or javascript?
[08:34] <bdizzle> I honestly don't know
[08:35] <flaccid> bdizzle: tell me which browsers this works in please: http://www.java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml
[08:35] <bdizzle> when I try loading the page under Firefox, it gives me the error when I click on the "Play" button: "Sorry, youre system dos not appear to have an supported players"
[08:36]  * flaccid waits
[08:36] <bdizzle> Konqueror loads it, Firefox does not
[08:37] <flaccid> well its worse on my system. only opera loads it
[08:37] <flaccid> firefox and konq try but fail
[08:37] <flaccid> you are welcome to submit a bug on this...
[08:37] <flaccid> im kind of over these bugs myself
[08:37] <bdizzle> heh
[08:37] <bdizzle> true that
[08:38] <flaccid> it gets fixed, it gets broken, it gets fixed, it gets broken. seems like a never ending cycle with the players being the community and the vendor
[08:38] <bdizzle> the only thing that I've really noticed different between Gutsy and Hardy is that in Hardy, compiz works
[08:38] <flaccid> bdizzle: that may be the result of a bug fix actually working :)
[08:39] <bdizzle> heh
[08:39] <bdizzle> but for every bug they fix, they create four more
[08:39] <hi> i'll admit, i've seen a lot more regressions in 8.04 personally.. but i wouldn't say that's generally true
[08:39] <flaccid> yes, thats what i very much dislike. as i say 'my kingdom for a stable desktop' which does not exist yet without caveats..
[08:40] <hi> lol
[08:40] <bdizzle> I keep hearing on the boards that people think Linux is ready for the mainstream and I'm thinking to myself, what are you nuts? we dont' have any commercial software backing yet
[08:40] <hi> "we dont' have any commercial software backing yet" you might be missing the point of FOSS imho
[08:40] <flaccid> thats the main problem. even the companies that try to support linux don't interact
[08:40] <hi> that's a lame benchmark for "useful"
[08:41] <bdizzle> no, I agree, its great that we have open source software
[08:41] <flaccid> well commercial backing is important when the software is commercial
[08:41] <hi> yeah, like nvidia, ati offering binary blobs for few architectures
[08:41] <flaccid> the restricted drivers are commercial
[08:41] <bdizzle> true
[08:41] <flaccid> i've become a bit of a video expert but nothing like other people and its still a massive struggle
[08:41] <flaccid> just for video
[08:42] <bdizzle> its just that a lot of people expect to be able to go to the store, buy a software title, put it in their CD rom drive, and click "install" and are happily playing their game or whatever 5 minutes later
[08:43] <hi> well, i will say there's a different paradign for even ubuntu isnt' there? i still get responses like "well i use XYX321mp3 blah blah to play mp3 at the CLI" pff... who on earth!?
[08:43] <hi> vs FOSS stuff in os-x is actually better designed than the commercial stuff
[08:43] <hi> it's interesting to see the different philosophies
[08:43] <bdizzle> true
[08:43] <hi> it's also frustrating, as i think os-x sucks :(
[08:44] <bdizzle> I mean, when I heard iTunes wasn't supported on Linux, its like, okay, what does Linux use? I found Amarok, haven't looked back since
[08:44] <hi> yet, stuff works very well (with ffmpeg beautiful installation via perian etc)
[08:44] <flaccid> os x is derived from things like freebsd which are excellent but yeah
[08:44] <hi> yeah, well i have
[08:44] <hi> since amarok doesn't open anything over the network
[08:44] <flaccid> im a power user. i have to put up with sh** everyday
[08:44] <hi> and itunes picks up playlists from other computers etc
[08:44] <flaccid> hi: it does open over network fine, if you don't have a bug :)
[08:45] <hi> well, true... but i've only got that working once
[08:45]  * flaccid is listening to Life Goes On by House of Pain on Fine Malt Lyrics-rgo [Amarok]
[08:45] <flaccid> ^^ thats over the network sorry to do it but
[08:45] <flaccid> hi: yeah bugs are important in this case because its purely open source..
[08:46] <bdizzle> eh, perhaps, but with the exception of pulling up the titles and such for incomplete music or loading the coverart, I'm not too concerned about that
[08:46] <bdizzle> although it would be cool to get some sort of streaming internet radio built into it somehow
[08:46] <flaccid> that might be more optional in amarok 2.0 hopefully
[08:46] <flaccid> bdizzle: there is streaming radio built into amarok already
[08:47] <bdizzle> there is? where?
[08:47] <flaccid> in the playlists tab
[08:47] <flaccid> a lot of digitally imported links by default..
[08:47] <bdizzle> oooh, I didn't see that there, cool
[08:47] <flaccid> coolio
[08:47] <alexbobp> ﻿Is there a way to forcibly detach non-alsa programs from my sound hardware without having to find and kill the offending processes?
[08:48] <flaccid> but in this case, you might get a no demux/input error which is said to be a bug in shoutcast server not the xine plugin to which is bloody annoying!
[08:48] <flaccid> alexbobp: i havnt found one yet as it locks the /dev/dsp or whatever..
[08:49]  * hi is listening to Mo Chailin Dileas Donn.mp3 after running mkdir /mnt/ftpfolder1 && curlftpfs ftp://192.168.1.156/music :P
[08:49] <hi> not quite the same as "click, mount" but meh... those amarok / kde bugs have been open for ages
[08:49] <LilSarge> Hmm, i think its a memory problem. Firefox works...just really slow.
[08:50] <flaccid> thats quite manual :p
[08:51] <bdizzle> I think that's another issue that is causing people to worry about Linux. Instictually, they see command line, they run
[08:52] <hi> well, for good reason
[08:52] <hi> there's *nothing* intuitive about a comman prompt
[08:52] <bdizzle> granted, I try to avoid it because I don't know what I'm doing with it and don't want to inadvertantly screw up my system (sudo or no sudo)
[08:52] <hi> it's a black window with no guidance
[08:52] <hi> a GUI has options to select from etc
[08:52] <bdizzle> but if I've got someone telling me what code to punch in, I'm safer
[08:52] <bdizzle> yeah
[08:53] <flaccid> bdizzle: without bugs kde has got that pretty much unecessary
[08:53] <flaccid> well desktop/UI theory will suggest CLI should be abstracted to the least from the user
[08:54]  * flaccid im writing a book atm on kubuntu
[08:54] <flaccid> oops
[08:54] <bdizzle> haha, someone helped me on the ubuntu forums with the java error, I think
[08:55] <hi> flaccid: subconsiously your nick / description of kde's readiness reminds me of a sex change analogy
[08:56] <hi> "without bugs, kde has got that pretty much unecessary
[08:56] <hi> it goes "Yeah, and my best friend could put on silk panties and tell me he was in the early stages of a sex change, but it doesn't mean I'd want to kiss him."
[08:56] <hi> besides, that's the motto of vaporware
[08:56] <bdizzle> sweet, I got the java error fixed!
[08:56] <hi> cool beans
[08:57] <bdizzle> it was an error in firefox, where it didn't recognize that the JRE was in fact installed
[08:57] <hi> what kind of error?
[08:57] <bdizzle> so let's see, Hardy "forgot" I had a delete key, didn't load JRE properly in firefox, and still can't load a C++ program because it compiles into an .exe
[08:57] <flaccid> hi: sex changes are usually 'hard' not 'soft'
[08:58] <bdizzle> lol
[08:58] <hi> meh, the hormones might be a gray area lol
[08:58] <flaccid> bdizzle: how you fix it sorry
[08:58] <hi> physiology or psychology... hmm, but i'll regress quickly here lol
[08:59] <flaccid> bdizzle: can you tell me where you went in config to get firefox to pick up the jre?
[08:59] <bdizzle> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4908916#post4908916
[08:59] <hi> ah, i wondered if that's what the issue was
[08:59] <hi> you symlinked the plugins folder to something ff would find?
[09:00] <bdizzle> see, I had no clue where to start
[09:00] <bdizzle> I'm having to re-learn how to use a computer, which actually kinda interesting
[09:00] <hi> i should have chimed in, but i just saw the middle of the convo so assumed i was missing something
[09:00] <flaccid> bdizzle: ah so it is a bug afterall dang!
[09:00] <flaccid> yeah so /usr/lib should be global etc..
[09:00] <bdizzle> okay, so can someone decipher what that code actually did to fix my system?
[09:01] <hi> you created a dir (mkdir)
[09:01] <hi> ln -s linked the one dir to the other
[09:01] <flaccid> yeah its using user plugins instead of globally shared which defeats the purpose of the package the plugin is in etc...
[09:01] <hi> so ff sees that directory as a mirror of the other directory's contents
[09:01] <bdizzle> like links lists in C++ ?
[09:01] <hi> flaccid: true
[09:02] <flaccid> disregard c++...
[09:02] <bdizzle> lol
[09:02] <flaccid> its a locality thing on the fs
[09:02] <bdizzle> gotcha
[09:02] <bdizzle> ok, another strange question.
[09:03] <bdizzle> one would think if I have the Konversation window on top of the Firefox window, when I click to the side on the Firefox window, the Konversation window should go behind the Firefox window
[09:03] <bdizzle> mine doesn't
[09:04] <flaccid> bdizzle: you can right click and go advanced - keep above or below
[09:04] <hi> actually, bdizzle, thanks for the reminder on that. i couldn't remember the symlink command when i was installing icecat (which also wouldn't see any plugins outside it's ./plugins dir) and i just duplicated the files out of laziness vs looking up how to symlink. cheers, for saving me6mb hdd space :)
[09:04] <hi> this was just 40 mins ago :)
[09:05] <bdizzle> lol, yay for 6 MB of hard drive space?
[09:05] <bdizzle> space is cheap these days
[09:05] <hi> well, that was in jest ;)
[09:05] <bdizzle> lol
[09:05] <bdizzle> yeah, that works for Konversation, except the problem is global
[09:05] <hi> the other benefit of symlinking is if you install global plugins, they're show up in the other dir w/o one having to go copy them again all the time to 2+ dirs
[09:06] <bdizzle> like two firefox windows on top of each other
[09:06] <flaccid> yeah but locations like /usr/share for example are designed for um sharing
[09:06] <hi> i set the scroll wheel to do that (scroll up = above, scrol down = below).
[09:06] <bdizzle> um share?
[09:07] <hi> yeah, but icecat doesn't share :(
[09:07] <flaccid> there are quite a few share folders in linux systems via hier
[09:08] <hi> you know, i find kde has a lot of really power-user features over gnome so far
[09:08] <bdizzle> boohbah, how'd you hide your IP and such?
[09:08] <hi> however, stuff is really buggy
[09:09] <bdizzle> I think that's why I like KDE over GNOME is that it does have the strong GUI programs
[09:09] <hi> like, sometimes i login and nothing loads into the kicker panel... wtf!
[09:09] <bdizzle> I had to reformat Hardy today after doing the upgrade a week ago from Gutsy because Kicker was giving me so many problems
[09:09] <bdizzle> I had to tell Kubuntu to load Kicker as a startup program
[09:10] <hi> sheesh, really!?
[09:10] <hi> don't tell me that, this is a 2.5 week old install!
[09:10] <hi> lol
[09:10] <bdizzle> even then it wouldn't give me the icons next to the clock and such
[09:10] <hi> yeah, that's the issue i'm having
[09:10] <bdizzle> which on a desktop is managable. But on a laptop, when you are worried about battery life ... not good
[09:11] <hi> right now, nothing appears. i can't change wifi, bluetooth, power options etc over half the time. i just logout, login a couple of times and it works... no notable rhyme or reason.
[09:11] <bdizzle> gah, what is that program I used to search the system
[09:11] <hi> right, i'm on a laptop bdizzle. exactly right, this kills an extra 8w sometimes!
[09:11] <hi> strigi?
[09:11] <bdizzle> it was sorta like Find Files and Folders in windows
[09:11] <bdizzle> no, stringi doesn't really cut it for me
[09:11] <hi> kfind?
[09:11] <bdizzle> might be
[09:12] <flaccid> strigi has never worked for me. another blunder.
[09:12] <Boohbah> bdizzle: i asked nicely after being a member for many years...
[09:12] <hi> yeah, well i filed bugs on deskbar
[09:12] <bdizzle> haha, okay
[09:12] <bdizzle> I was just curious, it seemed interesting
[09:13] <hi> then i noticed the bugs were open / closed 4x since 2005
[09:13] <hi> i haven't tried strigi, but if it's anything like deskbar i'm keeping it WAY away from my kde profile as it damaged everything in its path for me
[09:13] <bdizzle> has anyone noticed how a program will say its installed in Adept, but not installed when you check via Add/Remove Programs?
[09:14] <hi> ah, add/remove programs is sort of the simple version of the repos
[09:15] <hi> i just use adept, unless i'm lookin for limited options (ie when i type "svg" and don't want 30 svg libsb, but instead the two apps xara and inkblot or whatever that thing is called)
[09:15] <bdizzle> so other than stringi, which searches for individual files, what program would i use to just pull up folders that have the same name as the search phrase?
[09:16] <hi> again, kfind
[09:16] <bdizzle> its showing up as the KDE-4 version of kfind in my Add/Remove
[09:16] <bdizzle> even though I only have KDE 3.5.9
[09:16] <hi> should be installed then
[09:16] <hi> just type alt+f2
[09:16] <hi> then type kfind
[09:17] <bdizzle> ah, yes, that's the program I'm looking for
[09:17] <hi> ;)
[09:17] <bdizzle> why isn't he on my K-menu?
[09:17] <hi> lol, good question
[09:17] <hi> i was talking to someone on here earlier that prolly thought i was some lamer newbie for asking that
[09:18] <hi> that's how i remembered kfind
[09:18] <bdizzle> lol
[09:18] <hi> He said "click find in the k menu" "why isn't it in my kmenu?" "uh, are you running kubuntu?" "duh" "try kfind then" "cool, thx" :)
[09:18] <alexbobp> is kfind a slocate frontend?
[09:18] <hi> go fig
[09:18] <bdizzle> well, when you are used to being able to pull all kinds of tricks out of your hat to get windows to customize and all that
[09:18] <hi> no, it's a find frontend ;)
[09:19] <bdizzle> and then try linux just for the hell of it, you gotta strap on the training wheels for a while
[09:19] <hi> yeah, for sure
[09:19] <alexbobp> hi: that's a joke, right?
[09:19] <alexbobp> It could be something more complex.  Strigi uses it's own engine, right?
[09:19] <flaccid> yeah strigi is a daemon
[09:20] <bdizzle> ok, so another strange thing. How do I go about adding my own shortcuts onto the K-menu?
[09:20] <hi> [01:18] <alexbobp> is kfind a slocate frontend?
[09:20] <bdizzle> ie, creating an icon in Utilities for kfind?
[09:20] <hi> it's a "find" frontend
[09:20] <hi> no joke
[09:20] <hi> strigi is something entirely different
[09:20] <alexbobp> find as in the command-line find that just looks through everything every time I search?
[09:21] <hi> yes
[09:21] <hi> the old as dirt unix tool
[09:21] <alexbobp> wouldn't that be slow then?
[09:21] <hi> yes
[09:21] <hi> (?)
[09:21] <bdizzle> wait, got it
[09:21] <hi> it's not meant for "search my whole 1tb hard drive for x file"
[09:21] <alexbobp> ah.
[09:21] <hi> that's what strigi etc is for
[09:21] <hi> no joke ;)
[09:21] <bdizzle> in KControl, go to Desktop -> Panels -> Menus, selected under OPtional Menuses "Find"
[09:21] <alexbobp> okay, I believe you, I was just making sure...
[09:22] <bdizzle> that will load kfind onto the kmenu so you don't go looking for it
[09:22]  * hi gets hopes up at bdizzle's comment and checks menu!
[09:22] <bdizzle> I'm surprised it isn't default
[09:22]  * hi remembers he's using kbfx and not k-menu
[09:22] <hi> :P
[09:22] <bdizzle> haha
[09:23] <bdizzle> I've heard of kbfx, but never could get it to work
[09:23] <bdizzle> or really understood the purpose / difference of it
[09:23] <hi> naw seriously, i still use alt-f1 to access the old kmenu for a few things. find will now be one of them, cheers :)
[09:23] <hi> ah, kbfx is nice
[09:23] <bdizzle> *tries alt-f1 and gets no response
[09:24] <hi> it indexes the menu, so you can click on the button and start typing to limit your options ala quicksilver for os-x
[09:24] <hi> hmm, alt-f1 is default (ymmv, as we find out here!) for opening the kmenu at your cursor
[09:25] <bdizzle> great, another key that doesn't work
[09:26] <bdizzle> I've had it set to Ctrl + Esc, since just hitting the windows key didn't work
[09:26] <flaccid> you have to enable windows shortcuts for win key to work
[09:26] <hi> whoa, ctrl+esc opened up a task manager!
[09:26] <flaccid> yeah ksysguard
[09:26] <bdizzle> lol
[09:26] <hi> sweet! i've been missing that from other unmentionable operating systems!
[09:27] <flaccid> hehhe
[09:27] <bdizzle> I've got Ctrl+Alt+Del to open task manager and Ctrl+Alt+End to open the logoff menu
[09:27] <flaccid> thats a bit crazy but cool heh
[09:27] <bdizzle> I'm surprised by now that Windows, Mac, and Linux hasn't adopted a common set of key shortcuts
[09:27] <hi> ctrl+alt_del restarts my computer, backspace X
[09:28] <flaccid> bdizzle: nothing to be suprised about. they are commercial.
[09:28] <bdizzle> other than the typical Ctrl + C, Ctrl+X, Ctrl+P
[09:28] <flaccid> its competition
[09:28] <hi> ctrl+alt+end sounds like it'd do something mean and dirty along those lines so i wont' test it :)
[09:28] <sponix> bdizzle: Yeah... Umm... About That ...
[09:28] <bdizzle> well, you're telling it to end your session
[09:28] <bdizzle> lol, about what?
[09:29] <hi> afaik it's NIH syndrom http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_Invented_Here
[09:29] <hi> :)
[09:29] <sponix> bdizzle: Why would Linux, or any *nix want to adopt something similar to Windows ?
[09:29] <bdizzle> to make instructions just a little easier to understand?
[09:29] <flaccid> bdizzle: thats not their objective..
[09:30] <flaccid> its quite the opposite
[09:30] <hi> besides, in kde you can select templates of key configs to most anything out there
[09:30] <bdizzle> I mean, I see that Apple Command key as the same as the windows key for many things on the mac
[09:30] <hi> i have to say, i miss the way os-x uses the alt key to put accents on  things and such
[09:30] <bdizzle> now what would be cute would be if they had stickers to put over the windows key with the Ubuntu circle logo
[09:31] <hi> alt+` then whatever key i want to apply a ` over... pretty straightforward relative to the windows world's "remember an index of acii codes and type alt+00124"
[09:31] <sponix> bdizzle: Objective for _Most_ other Operating Systems is to be the _Best_ they can at whatever their communities, or users need/want .. And if you haven't noticed, Windows doesn't do a very good job at that ;)
[09:31] <flaccid> well i like calling such a key 'option' or something similar that is generic
[09:31] <bdizzle> eh, they did for XP
[09:31] <flaccid> its not about their community its about ownership
[09:31] <hi> bdizzle: great idea w/ the stickers!
[09:31] <bdizzle> Vista and Windows 7 on the other hand....
[09:31] <sponix> bdizzle: Seen Tux for the Windows key, but not the Ubuntu logo _yet_
[09:31] <bdizzle> nice
[09:32] <flaccid> yeah the key should just be 'option' or something
[09:32] <bdizzle> or worse, MS's next version of Office is going to be a subscription plan from what I heard
[09:32] <hi> why won't ms office die?
[09:32] <bdizzle> at the very least, OO needs to catch up to Office 2003, then start branching out and making its own stuff that MS only wishes it could do
[09:33] <bdizzle> because its actually useful?
[09:33] <bdizzle> Office and DirectX are two things I have to give MS credit for
[09:33] <hi> well, i'm not the "office" type
[09:33] <flaccid> hi: why would it die heh
[09:33] <hi> but, it seems it's around for the same reason most things are around ppl
[09:33] <flaccid> im not sure what there is to catch up to
[09:33] <bdizzle> well, until I can figure out how to do presentations in LaTeX....
[09:34] <hi> "because it just is" vs "because it's the best product"
[09:34] <flaccid> bdizzle: you do understand that directx is totally their thing and not required
[09:34] <bdizzle> no, I do
[09:34] <bdizzle> but I also know that since most games these days are built off of it
[09:34] <flaccid> im not sure what latex has to do with oasis doc formats..
[09:34] <bdizzle> and Wine isn't perfect yet in *not emulating DirectX
[09:34] <flaccid> bdizzle: no point there. openGL and other techs are um open and standard...
[09:34] <bdizzle> true
[09:34] <flaccid> bdizzle: wine shouldn't even exist.
[09:35] <flaccid> the open formats and suites like Ooo are fine.
[09:35] <bdizzle> well, let me run up to the store and go buy a copy of Halo or Diablo and get it to run on OpenGL then ....
[09:36] <bdizzle> I agree they are good
[09:36] <flaccid> bdizzle: have a think about whos fault it is for not developing in open standards...
[09:36] <flaccid> the vendor.
[09:36] <bdizzle> point taken
[09:36] <hi> sadly, a good portion  of my local friends work in direct x at ms
[09:36] <bdizzle> unforutnately, vendors look at $$$, which means which market is going to have the greatest potential
[09:36] <flaccid> have a look at nexuiz. it works on most platforms with one .zip and separate binaries for teh OS
[09:37] <hi> nothing amazingly creative in direct x over open gl imho
[09:37] <flaccid> bdizzle: exactly
[09:37] <flaccid> its about the money
[09:37] <hi> it's a matter of development hype, buzz and thus (yes) money
[09:37] <bdizzle> windows, which carries about 85% of consumer market, vs mac, that carries 13% of consumer desktops, vs linux, that runs 2%
[09:37] <hi> being co-opted by MS for vendor lock-in, more than dx being superior to gl etc
[09:37] <bdizzle> why would they go out and port their game over to Linux unless they felt that every single linux user would go out and buy it
[09:38] <bdizzle> true
[09:38] <sponix> bdizzle: Well, I have to disagree a bit... Think some vendors are now looking at Potential for future market share, instead of current market shares... IBM, HP, Sun, Dell, Asus, And others Shipping with Linux for Example
[09:38] <hi> well, as it is all hardware for i386 i know of supports opengl
[09:38] <hi> so there's no real downside for developers not using direct x
[09:38] <bdizzle> I remember when I got my laptop back in March, I kept going to all the standard vendors (Dell, HP, gateway, Toshiba, Acer, etc) and telling them, look this is my budget, and I only have one requirement: it can't have Vista on it
[09:39] <hi> save for less M$ interest, naturally
[09:39] <flaccid> direct x is microsoft. seems like a massive downfall to me.
[09:39] <bdizzle> Gateway and HP laughed at me
[09:39] <sponix> bdizzle: Linux is still at a 1% Market share or less, But these companies rolling it out with site of future Market share growth is making a big difference
[09:39] <bdizzle> true
[09:39] <hi> sure there's xbox, but that's the minority of consoles even
[09:39] <bdizzle> yeah, most people are playing Wii or PS3
[09:39] <flaccid> xbox is cut down win2000
[09:39] <hi> so opengl works with windows, linux, os-x, and most consoles... honestly, why use dx?!
[09:40] <bdizzle> I'm curious why most developers still base everything on it too
[09:40] <bdizzle> if it is so functional, then why do they bother?
[09:40] <flaccid> market share, business logic etc.
[09:40] <sponix> hi: Doesn't that make you sick ? OpenGL should be the _standard_
[09:40] <flaccid> its not about functionality its about money
[09:40] <level1_> how can I tunnel sound over ssh?  Is that possible?
[09:41] <level1_> also, what ssh like standard uses the least bandwidth?  VNC?  RDP?
[09:41] <hi> sponix: yes
[09:41]  * hi gets sick and barfs on dx
[09:41] <flaccid> level1_: not sure. most likely vnc. rdp is m$ only
[09:41] <sponix> hi: But, since Microsoft makes DirectX and they are the OS of choice for 98% of commercial Gamers, it has killed off OpenGL and gaming possibilities on Other Platforms :(
[09:41] <flaccid> they have nothing to do with ssh however
[09:41] <level1_> flaccid: can can be used for some of the things I want to use ssh for
[09:41] <level1_> flaccid: thats what i meant
[09:41] <zeno__> I'm trying to upgrade to hardy, but im getting errors; http://pastebin.com/m6a6ce1c6
[09:42] <level1_> whats kubuntu's vnc client?
[09:42] <flaccid> ssh is simply the tunnel. it comes down to the protocol. both can potentially support sound
[09:42] <sponix> flaccid: What ! *nix is where vnc started, and several things have rdp, virtualbox for example
[09:42] <flaccid> level1_: krdc
[09:42] <flaccid> sponix: look up the history of RDP
[09:42] <flaccid> or point me to a unix rdp server
[09:42] <hi> does kubuntu count? :)
[09:43] <flaccid> kubuntu does not have an rdp server.
[09:43] <bdizzle> um, about that upgrade, it might be better to just d/l the .iso and go off of that
[09:43] <sponix> flaccid: RDP is a Windows based "Remote Desktop Protocol" .. I know
[09:43] <hi> xrdp
[09:43] <bdizzle> it still tends to have problems going the direct upgrade route
[09:43] <flaccid> please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_Desktop_Protocol
[09:43] <sponix> flaccid: tightvnc is nice
[09:43] <flaccid> ues exact;u sponix. windows and no linux server let alone *nix
[09:43] <hi> afaik, xrdp works and is in kubuntu main repos
[09:44] <flaccid> sponix: yeah its what i use for server on *nix
[09:44] <sponix> flaccid: my point, why use "MS" rdp for a *nix box, when VNC is available ?
[09:44] <flaccid> !info xrdp
[09:44] <flaccid> sponix: wasn't that my point?
[09:44] <flaccid> hmm that must be fairly new
[09:45] <sponix> and there are TightVNC servers and clients for both Windows and *nix
[09:45] <flaccid> yes i know that...
[09:45] <sponix> flaccid: ... Hmm, maybe I missed the actual point ;)
[09:45] <hi> well or even nx (nomachine) since vnc comared to rdp is not even close... vnc is just a rasterized image of the screen unlike forwarding x to the other machine
[09:45] <flaccid> ah yeah xrdp is very recent and not devel very much at all
[09:45] <zeno__> I'm trying to upgrade to hardy, but im getting errors; http://pastebin.com/m6a6ce1c6
[09:45] <flaccid> my point is that rdp is microsoft
[09:45] <hi> vnc is really only useful for os-x, since there's no rdp/remote x/nx options
[09:45] <sponix> flaccid: Yep, We have client/server XP boxen with TightVNC here at my workplace (Army)
[09:45] <flaccid> hi: incorrect. vnc is rfb and abstracted from teh X11 layer
[09:46] <flaccid> vnc is useful for an *nix
[09:46] <flaccid> any*
[09:46] <hi> ehm, i disagree
[09:46] <hi> nx is much faster
[09:46] <sponix> flaccid: of course, you could just fwd an X session or program through ssh as well, just as easy ;)
[09:47] <hi> again, like rdp (but better) it forwards window commands etc so bandwidth is 4k-100k vs 9mb
[09:47] <flaccid> http://xrdp.sourceforge.net/documents/xrdpdesign/index.html <--- still a far way to go...
[09:47] <hi> i can run a 1920x1200x24b connection over the net on nx
[09:47] <flaccid> sponix: yeah but thats not what we are talking about thus my point
[09:47] <hi> or rdp
[09:47] <zeno__> !dependency
[09:47] <hi> :P
[09:48] <flaccid> !freenx
[09:48] <sponix> ... I must drop out then, because I'm still not getting the point *Grin*
[09:48] <flaccid> at the end of the day, whatver works is probably fine as long as its in a secure channel
[09:48] <flaccid> i don't know of any pointsin this convo really
[09:49] <flaccid> but as a side point have a look how limited xrdp is atm: http://xrdp.sourceforge.net/documents/xrdpdesign/index.html
[09:49] <hi> here's some: VNC is slow and aweful if you're displaying a GUI, RDP is way better but not available on Mac only, freenx rocks all
[09:49] <flaccid> that doesn't make sense hi and is incorrect
[09:49] <hi> also, if you're not displaying video, then use Synergy instead
[09:50] <hi> meh, believe what you want
[09:50] <flaccid> eg. http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1475814
[09:50]  * hi doesn't care
[09:50] <flaccid> its not about you hi
[09:50] <flaccid> nor is it about me either
[09:50] <sponix> I don't remote a gui very often, but TightVNC, or ssh has always done what I need just fine... I will try FreeNX sometime though
[09:51] <hi> yeah, the hextile mapping common for vnc is just too much for the internet
[09:51] <hi> it's highly sensitve to latency and high cpu load on either client or server side
[09:51] <flaccid> i do vnc over ssh or vpn over the internet just fine
[09:51] <bdizzle> so what kind of things do they have planned for Ibex?
[09:52] <hi> ibex?
[09:52] <bdizzle> edition after Hardy
[09:52] <bdizzle> not that I am entirely looking forward to upgrading again, but KDE4 just looks so pretty and I'm waiting for 4.1 to come out
[09:52] <hi> ah, xrdp on os-x. my "/me doesn't care " was a follow on my last line and due to lag seemed like a resonse to your link. no offense, lag...
[09:53] <hi> i'll actually make use of that url tomorrow!
[09:54] <hi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_Desktop_Protocol#Version_history
[09:55] <hi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_remote_desktop_software for the un-initiated
[09:58] <wesley> kde4.0.4 is not as good as 4,0,3
[09:58] <hi> ?
[09:58] <bdizzle> what, is it getting worse/
[09:58] <bdizzle> I thought it was supposed to become more stable with each incremental release
[09:59] <hi> if you found a regression, find/file a bug report
[09:59] <hi> honestly, there's almost no diff i can see
[09:59] <bdizzle> where do we go for bug reports?
[09:59] <wesley> yes i yesterday istalled and reported more bugs then in 4.0.3
[09:59] <bdizzle> and how can we get desktop widgets on KDE 3.5.9 ?
[09:59] <wesley> www.launchpad.net
[10:00] <flaccid> hehe
[10:00] <hi> actually, speaking of widgets.. this "Get Hot New Stuff" crap bugs me
[10:00] <hi> where is it!?
[10:00] <hi> faik it's a lib w/o much use
[10:00] <sponix> honestly, with all these updates, can't Ubuntu just xdelta from one deb to the next, instead of downloading a whole new package each time !
[10:01] <hi> yes, that'd be smarter
[10:01] <hi> heard of jigdo btw?
[10:01] <sponix> would save Petabytes of Net Traffic I'm sure !
[10:01] <hi> or deb-torrent etc
[10:01] <bdizzle> I'm mostly just looking for weather and maybe tv listings like I had with Yahoo Widgets
[10:01] <hi> none of these ever get picked up
[10:01] <bdizzle> xdelta?
[10:01] <wesley> but i dont know of its kubuntu,s fault for messing op kde4.0.4 or kde
[10:02] <sgrover> wireless problem.  Works fine on my access point.  Not on some others.  Can see the desired access point, but when I connect to it, it just times out.
[10:02] <sponix> No, but if it is similar, and can patch from one tarBall to another, it would be smart
[10:02] <sgrover> (don't have access to the troublesome access point(s) at the moment though...)
[10:02] <sgrover> Any tips?
[10:03] <sponix> downloading 17Meg of Evolution crap, for the 32K change in source for security is nutty imho, when they have TarBall && binary patch programs out there
[10:03] <hi> yeah, it bugs the crap out of me too
[10:03] <sponix> Effort to push Linux crap to 3rd world countries would be much better
[10:03] <hi> it's so wasteful of bw (mine and theirs)
[10:04]  * flaccid uses Opera.
[10:04] <sponix> I'm in Iraq right now, and net cost me $75 a Month for 1Gig Download and 512Meg Upload limit, after that it throttles your speed to 7K/s or less
[10:04] <hi> lol, true. someone d/l the 60mb of stuff for the kde4 upgrade i got a day ago was assinine
[10:05] <sponix> I don't like to Rant, but it is about freaking time some one addresses this issue
[10:05] <sgrover> sponix: try on my cell phone data plan.... $50 / MEG
[10:05] <hi> sponix: i agree
[10:05] <sponix> Why are we settling for 2nd best, our updates could be done faster, and the Net as a whole less clogged
[10:05] <flaccid> i pay $140AU per month for 60GB of u/l d/l which is rort
[10:05] <hi> every time i've tried to get help on that, ppl say "what's the point?" and "bandwidth is cheap"
[10:05] <hi> bugs me...
[10:06] <sponix> Should be saving our BW for pr0n !
[10:06] <flaccid> i dont' know what your point is hi
[10:06] <hi> flaccid: thanks for sharing :P
[10:06] <flaccid> care to confirm your point
[10:06] <hi> sponix: have you looked into using rsync?
[10:06] <sponix> point is BW isn't cheap _everywhere_
[10:07] <hi> right, or anywhere when we're talking about saving many terabytes of data
[10:07] <sgrover> sooo... no tech support at the moment for wireless problems??  :)
[10:07] <flaccid> well thats obvious. im sure is very expensive in the developing nations if available at all
[10:07] <sponix> hi: still rsync's the whole new .deb package, not like it applies the 32/64K diff from one .deb to another
[10:07] <bdizzle> why isn't bandwidth cheap these days?
[10:08] <sgrover> sponix: then take the one time hit, d/l the source, then just get the patches as they come out.
[10:08] <hi> bdizzle:because ppl suffer companies like comcast in the US
[10:08] <sponix> bdizzle: in Iraq, there is no fiber, or copper backbones/lines, the Ground is so damn hard for one, it is near impossible to run it, so Everything is Sat Based, and that cost a shit ton for Sat Time
[10:08] <sgrover> you obviously know a little more about Linux per se, so perhaps *buntu isn't quite aimed at users like yourself...  :)
[10:08] <sponix> hi: ComCast is a godsend compared to say Honduras, or Iraq
[10:09] <bdizzle> ouch
[10:09] <hi> well, yeah... i guess my gripe-in-point is about the privatisation of commercial telecommunications in general.
[10:09] <sgrover> sponix: not trying to be confrontational - in general I agree with your point... :)
[10:09] <flaccid> not all countries/parts of the world have luxuries. after all internet is a luxury :)
[10:09] <hi> but yeah, geographic considerations like yours will probably keep the topic on track :)
[10:10] <sponix> sgrover: Well. here they are, saying they want OLPC in 3rd world countries and crap, but I just did 100+Meg of Security updates on Hardy already, don't see a school in Iraq doing that
[10:10] <bdizzle> internet is almost a neccesity
[10:10] <flaccid> not when the world is divided
[10:10]  * hi avoids geo-political discussion
[10:10] <sponix> bdizzle: I feel that way as well, but a lot of the world it is still a "Luxury"
[10:10] <sgrover> sponix: you don't see a school doing 100Meg of updates for Ubuntu, but they wouldn't mind the corresponding bandwidth for Windows?  That argument doesn't really float... :)
[10:11] <hi> so does anyone know of a way to access these updates in an incremental, just-the-differences of similar files way?
[10:11] <sgrover> if the argument is simply that the updates would not be done - regardless of platform, then that's a little more understandable.... :)
[10:11] <hi> sgrover: nobody is being a windows fanboy
[10:11] <sponix> sgrover: My point is, Linux should do "Better" than MS ... This would be an "Advantage" it would/should have over others
[10:11] <bdizzle> I think most people still update windows because windows update automatically naggs you if you try to ignore it
[10:11] <hi> sgrover: windows sucks, os-x sucks, and here's where linux could shine
[10:11] <sponix> sgrover: and that *nix OS's should do this, to help reach out to the ends of the world better than MS
[10:12] <sgrover> bdizzle: only if you have the Nag option checked (which you have to manually turn off)
[10:12] <flaccid> my g/f is on wireless which is only option despite in a city. she pays 5X here monthly rental on download thus costing here more than a car does. its pathetic and this is a developed nation.
[10:12] <bdizzle> lol
[10:12] <flaccid> have a look up on the internet how pathetic broadband is in australia..
[10:12] <sgrover> sponix: don't get me wrong - I agree that these patch differences can/should be done.  Just trying to help you refine the argument... :)
[10:13] <sponix> ... I do hate MS and Windows with a passion, but my goal isn't to bash them... Just saying this is a place *nix could do better, and easily do it
[10:13] <flaccid> sponix: sorrr what to do better?
[10:13] <hi> flaccid: yeah, i always wondered about australia. their geography would tend to limit this a tad?
[10:13] <flaccid> hi: not when you live sydney where i do. no excuse when the backbone goes straight to our city.
[10:13] <sponix> flaccid: roll out a update system that does TarBall patches like xdelta, to save tons of BW for people/countries
[10:13] <sgrover> we don't have to "hate" the other OS's to favor *nix.  Some of us still need to work in both worlds... :)
[10:14] <hi> hmm
[10:14] <bdizzle> yeah, how is internet service down there?
[10:14] <flaccid> regional is different. this is in capital cities.
[10:14] <hi> i'm sure fiber is laid at this point, but it's probably more monopolised than in other prts
[10:14] <flaccid> sponix: totally different to the debian system
[10:14] <flaccid> internet here can be good, but way too many issues to talk about..
[10:15] <flaccid> no fibre to consumers here on a real scale yet at all
[10:15] <bdizzle> such as?
[10:15] <flaccid> im on cable and its a rip off...
[10:15] <eagles05> lol whose ur isp flaccid
[10:15] <hi> actually, instead of downloading distro .iso's has anyone used jigdo files?
[10:15] <flaccid> um dsl
[10:15] <flaccid> old copper
[10:15] <flaccid> lack of upstream
[10:15] <flaccid> lack of maintenence on networks
[10:15] <hi> jigdo always crashes for me so i always resort to torrents
[10:15] <flaccid> renting out to service providers
[10:15] <flaccid> pair gain issues
[10:15] <flaccid> the list goes on
[10:16] <eagles05> ur lucky flaccid u dont have monthly download limits and im on cable 2mb down 256 up
[10:16] <flaccid> eagles05: i am on that
[10:16] <flaccid> depends which connectin you talking about i have heh
[10:16] <eagles05> im hoping to eventually start my own isp using kubuntu based server
[10:16] <eagles05> i have 10gb monthly download
[10:16] <noaXess> is it normal in hardy, that the print job queue will not be cleared after printing?.. and the icon is still in systray?
[10:16] <flaccid> we all have monthly download limits in australia anyway
[10:16] <hi> hmm... something is wrong with my sleep schedule that i'm always talking to australians on here :-/
[10:16] <flaccid> eagles05: kubuntu is not a server.
[10:16] <eagles05> noaXess: yes its like that with my hp
[10:16] <sgrover> hi: me too... I'm in Western Canada... :)
[10:16] <flaccid> its 7:15pm here
[10:17] <eagles05> flaccid: lol well u know what im talking bout use it as the os
[10:17] <noaXess> hm.. a bug? or is there a setting
[10:17] <eagles05> noaXess: dunno havent used my printer on here in a while
[10:17] <hi> sgrover: Quarter past two here, Seattle :)
[10:17] <flaccid> eagles05: ubuntu is not a server OS
[10:17] <sgrover> flaccid: 3:17am here
[10:17] <flaccid> ouch
[10:17] <eagles05> O_o what u mean
[10:17] <noaXess> ha.. 11:17 am here :)
[10:17] <eagles05> noaXess: u in central europe
[10:17] <sgrover> hehe... er.. flaccid.. just curious... what DAY ??
[10:17] <noaXess> yes
[10:17] <noaXess> ch
[10:18] <flaccid> its thursday night
[10:18] <eagles05> kool malta here noaXess
[10:18] <noaXess> ?
[10:18] <flaccid> i mean ubuntu is not respected as a server operating system at all
[10:18] <noaXess> eagles05: you're in malta?
[10:18] <sgrover> flaccid: hmmm... maybe time travel is possible.. it's still morning here... and Wednesday for me cuz I haven't slept yet.. LOL
[10:18] <eagles05> noaXess:  yep
[10:18] <noaXess> flaccid: ut you can use it as server.. i think there is a server version of ubuntu
[10:19] <flaccid> noaXess: yes i've tested it.
[10:19] <eagles05> ya but i dunno y i like gui and kde desktop
[10:19] <noaXess> eagles05: holiday.. or do you live there?
[10:19] <flaccid> i generally run respected server operating systems like freebsd
[10:19] <eagles05> noaXess: normally from us but im here for school
[10:19] <eagles05> what bout centos5
[10:19] <flaccid> a desktop environment != an operating system!
[10:20] <sgrover> eagles05: you can put a gui on the server version.
[10:20] <sgrover> OR you can just apt-get install the server kernel
[10:20] <flaccid> if you can tell me why a server needs a GUI, please let me know :)
[10:20] <hi> sgrover: our sleep schedules match lol
[10:20] <sgrover> (you loose sound support, and some video capabilities though)
[10:20] <eagles05> sgrover: how
[10:20] <flaccid> unless its a desktop server to serv X11 etc.
[10:20] <flaccid> ie. think clients.
[10:20] <flaccid> thin
[10:21] <sgrover> flaccid: install the server, install X, but you don't necessarily need to have a running X desktop on the server to serve up X sessions... (just the X service running - I think)
[10:21] <flaccid> sgrover: yes i know. that was my point.
[10:21] <flaccid> !thinclient
[10:21] <flaccid> cang
[10:21] <noaXess> flaccid: but you can install ubuntu and disable gdm..
[10:21] <flaccid> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowto
[10:22] <flaccid> noaXess: thats working backwards
[10:22] <noaXess> ?
[10:22] <eagles05> im not as advanced as most im still working on linux certification have yet to work on a linux box in a network environment
[10:22] <flaccid> eagles05: debian is better suited as a server
[10:22] <eagles05> has anyone else downloaded amarok2 nightly
[10:22] <sgrover> flaccid: I've been running Ubuntu server for the past 2 years.  Never a problem that wasn't caused by the sys admin (me), or hardware failure.
[10:22] <eagles05> flaccid:  isnt ubuntu/kubuntu debian based
[10:22] <noaXess> sgrover: me to..
[10:22] <noaXess> too
[10:22] <eagles05> lol
[10:23] <flaccid> sgrover: i've run it for about 3.5 years as testing. google the security problems ubuntu server has had...
[10:23] <noaXess> us it also for virtual systems
[10:23] <flaccid> eagles05: yes it is. debian has a longer release cycle to give it more stability.
[10:23] <noaXess> flaccid: then close the holes..
[10:23] <flaccid> and the userland is different!
[10:23] <flaccid> noaXess: im not an ubuntu developer
[10:23] <eagles05> me neither
[10:23] <sgrover> flaccid: understood.  But the reason I switched to Ubuntu from Gentoo was the maintenance time needed...
[10:23] <hi> sponix: have you found an uncompressed tarball repository for debian etc?
[10:23] <eagles05> i am planning on creating my own cluster distro based on kubuntu
[10:24] <flaccid> gentoo is far different in terms of setup. thats why debian has an installer and is more out of the box than gentoo
[10:24] <sgrover> that and doing an apt-get update/upgrade rarely breaks the system.  Gentoo's emerge world would need manual intervention to configure the .conf files.
[10:24] <flaccid> ouch
[10:24] <hi> sponix: because an incremental d/l would then be possible with rsync it seems. i'm checking into the syntax now...
[10:24]  * flaccid is a freebsd user.
[10:24] <sgrover> flaccid: agreed.  Gentoo is source based.  Much different perspectives involved.
[10:25] <flaccid> not necessarily source based as binaries available. gentoobsd intrests me but yeah..
[10:25] <noaXess> flaccid: and hwo do you use kubuntu if you are a freebsd user?
[10:25] <noaXess> or when..
[10:25] <flaccid> noaXess: i use linux as desktop as bsd vendor support is worse off for us than linux...
[10:25] <sgrover> :) Gentoo has changed much since I last installed it.  But getting better...  Still I'll stick with Ubuntu for the reduced maintenance time...
[10:26] <eagles05> kde4 desktop looks like open suse's current kde3.5
[10:26] <hi> actually, what's the upside to gentoo?
[10:26] <flaccid> sgrover: its not really maintenance, its setup - installation/post installation but yeah
[10:26] <flaccid> eagles05: possibly because opensuse made some contribs
[10:26] <sgrover> noaXess: one of the local guys is in the same boat.  Runs *bsd for his servers, but *buntu for the desktops.
[10:26] <eagles05> possible its the only distro that will semi run on my new laptop
[10:26] <hi> i tried it long ago when i had slow harware, so the philosophy of no binaries was a bottleneck. i have a faster computer now so i might be interested
[10:26] <flaccid> hi: its better than ubuntu. but thats simply my general opinion. i don't use it but
[10:26] <eagles05> kubuntu x wont work
[10:27] <sgrover> rather common for those who are security conscious, and more UNIX thinking than Linux thinknig
[10:27] <eagles05> and it hangs during format and installation and never installs properly
[10:27] <hi> flaccid: how's gentoo better though?
[10:27] <flaccid> hi: i compile on my p2 300mhz bsd server and yeah it does take ages but i just wait days heh
[10:27] <flaccid> hi: less bugs imo
[10:27] <flaccid> less bs
[10:27] <hi> ah
[10:27] <flaccid> less forking
[10:27] <eagles05> flaccid: cluster it with something else
[10:27] <hi> lol, i was bitching on a 500Mhz cpu...
[10:27] <flaccid> depends what implementation of clustering and what for
[10:27]  * flaccid pats his kristine she goes very well
[10:28] <sgrover> time for sleep.  Night all...  I'll check back tomorrow re: my wireless issues.
[10:28] <flaccid> kristine before was ubuntu dapper server ouch
[10:28] <flaccid> night
[10:28] <hi> ditto here, i'm running off to sleep at a nice 1/2 past 2a thurs morning. cheerz all :)
[10:28] <eagles05> lol
[10:29] <eagles05> flaccid: the os im goign to start creating im going to work on for those entierly new to clustering
[10:29] <eagles05> basically work on making it as much plug and play with minor configuration
[10:29] <flaccid> yeah eagles05 my point is why are you clustering and what for? what model/configuration is the clustering?
[10:30] <eagles05> have u ever run those boinc projects
[10:30] <flaccid> yeah
[10:30] <flaccid> boinc is from bsd iirc
[10:30] <casper__> just installed kde been using ubuntu for about 6 months, i think i like the change :)
[10:30] <flaccid> !seti
[10:30] <flaccid> casper__: nice :)
[10:31] <casper__> whats this plasma file though...its in my lost and found? i hate not know what things are
[10:31] <eagles05> i have as well i am a member of a number of the projects in clustering u r able to run the same data set basically the larger the dataset in a cluster the less time it will take
[10:31] <flaccid> casper__: not sure why a plasma file is there. you could ask #kde i guess
[10:32] <eagles05> then i wanna try get into the rendering farm business for 3d animations
[10:32] <eagles05> and huge renderings
[10:32] <eagles05> data analysis
[10:32] <eagles05> just about anything clusterable
[10:33] <flaccid> eagles05: a lot of p2p and clustering research was done at my uni. all i can say is that its a newish realm but the quality of the OS and its kernel/procesing makes a big difference...
[10:33] <flaccid> somone had 50 identical pIIIs hooked up for a range of experiments
[10:34] <eagles05> flaccid: thanks for the advice ill keep it under consideration
[10:34] <flaccid> eagles05: just do some tests for yourself i guess in the right constant enviro
[10:34] <eagles05> ya
[10:34] <eagles05> right now i have not even begun to work on it i still have one more exam to go
[10:34] <eagles05> then i need to start learning c++
[10:35] <flaccid> as usual this kind of stuff relies on a huge amount of different variables
[10:35] <flaccid> eagles05: do the c++ with qt4
[10:35] <flaccid> thats a really good practical way of learning
[10:35] <eagles05> ok
[10:35] <eagles05> isnt qt4 something u need for kde4
[10:35] <flaccid> yes is the gui toolkit component
[10:36] <eagles05> kool
[10:36] <eagles05> i need to download kde4
[10:36] <flaccid> ie. qt kills gtk :)
[10:36] <eagles05> cuz amarok-nightly isnt working on kde3 for me
[10:36] <flaccid> eagles05: give it a shot. i've reverted to ke3 because of limitations/bugs
[10:36] <flaccid> they exist without problem in theory
[10:36] <flaccid> whats amarok-nightly atm. 1.4 or 2.0 ?
[10:37] <casper__> any1 know how to update from kde 4.0 to 4.04......kde group isnt helping
[10:37] <eagles05> 2
[10:37] <flaccid> casper__: adept manager or apt-get should be fine, do you have a problem specifically?
[10:38] <flaccid> eagles05: yeah thats qt4 purely i think even though it will probably run under qt3/kde3 etc. not sure. the #amarok guys are pretty good at advising
[10:38] <eagles05> ill go ahead and dl qt4 i got nothing to lose this is a dev/testing machine anywho
[10:38] <wesley> Casper blijf gewoon bij 4.0.3 das beter
[10:39] <flaccid> !de | wesley
[10:39] <obvio> i followed http://www.manicai.net/comp/swap-caps-ctrl.html to swap ctrl and caps, but now kwin won't start automatically. does anyone know what could be the problem?
[10:39] <flaccid> das ist super
[10:39] <eagles05> flaccid:  i think u in wrong channel
[10:39] <eagles05> :p
[10:39] <flaccid> its not me in the wrong chan :)
[10:40] <obvio> i actually have to painstakingly copy and paste stuff with the mouse on the terminal until i can form the word "kwin", then paste a "\n" (which makes me feel in fact quite 1337, but after the second time it gets old pretty fast)
[10:40] <wesley> flaccid you insult me
[10:40] <flaccid> wesley: how so. im sorry
[10:40] <wesley> i am not german
[10:41] <casper__> ich bin deutch
[10:41] <flaccid> well das is german. so i am sorry wesley
[10:41] <wesley> i am dutch is insulting to call a dutch one german
[10:42] <flaccid> wesley: im an australian convict we don't know better and an insult is purely subjective.
[10:42] <flaccid> not my fault if you guys are sensitive and emo
[10:42] <obvio> lol
[10:42] <casper__> lol
[10:42] <flaccid> :0
[10:43] <wesley> lol i am in germany now :P
[10:43] <flaccid> im promoting avb for the australian leg of the tour so yeah i respect the dutch...
[10:43] <flaccid> coool :)
[10:43] <casper__> im having some serious refresh issues...wow not used to this kde stuff
[10:43] <flaccid> wesley: avb is going to rock it here in may :)
[10:44] <wesley> thats nice
[10:44] <eagles05> !avb
[10:44] <eagles05> !info avb
[10:44] <flaccid> eagles05: offtopic - its armin van buuren
[10:44] <eagles0513875> oh
[10:44] <eagles0513875> i should know that
[10:44] <eagles0513875> lol
[10:44] <wesley> oh armin vanm buuren is great
[10:44] <flaccid> hehe
[10:44] <eagles0513875> i have something majorly off tpic
[10:45] <flaccid> wesley: yeah hes playing in sydney on 6 jun. im am his promoter in australia.
[10:45] <eagles0513875> im going to be djing this summer on radio stream x10radio.com djing techno house and trance avb included if u guys r interested
[10:45] <flaccid> eagles0513875: im a dj too. feel free to PM the link or whatever..
[10:46] <eagles0513875> flaccid: pmed ya
[10:46] <flaccid> ta
[10:51] <casper__> how do i get opengl and all other 3d support stuff working?
[10:51] <eagles0513875> casper__: on kubuntu
[10:51] <eagles0513875> obviously
[10:51] <eagles0513875> under system it says hardware device manager open that
[10:51] <flaccid> casper__: which vid card/driver you use?
[10:52] <eagles0513875> flaccid:
[10:52] <eagles0513875> all he needs to do is what i mentioned abov
[10:52] <eagles0513875> e
[10:52] <eagles0513875> sry cant spell today
[10:52] <casper__> 64mb intel laptop one
[10:52] <casper__> spellin is overated
[10:53] <eagles0513875> casper__: should work out of box for ya
[10:53] <eagles0513875> casper__: plz dont tell me u going ot try get compiz to work with it lol
[10:54] <casper__> no...had compiz working fine with it, but it is more irratating that anything else
[10:54] <flaccid> sorry i don't know the specific issue yet
[10:55] <flaccid> please repeat
[10:55] <crazy_bus> something on my computer is slowing the internet.  Can anyone recommend a small program which will tell me what programs are currently accessing the internet?
[10:55] <casper__> might be doing an update
[10:56] <crazy_bus> no I stopped an update.  But something is still using it
[10:56] <eagles0513875> crazy_bus: i know a program that will tell u how much up and down bandwith u using
[10:56] <flaccid> crazy_bus: can't think of one. but you can use netstat. like netstat -a | grep -i esabli
[10:56] <eagles0513875> crazy_bus: its called iptraf
[10:57] <crazy_bus> eagles0513875: does that tell you what each individual program is ussing?
[10:57] <ere4si> crazy_bus: type   netstat -tup   in a konsole
[10:57] <eagles0513875> crazy_bus: no it doesnt give u totals though
[10:58] <flaccid> !info iptraf
[10:58] <flaccid> i'll give that a try then
[10:59] <crazy_bus> ere4si: I did that and it gave me a list.  One of those looks like a sourceforge mirror.  It just says ED - after it.  What does it mean?
[10:59] <harolddong> is anybody else having of problem with kde4 and qt4 apps crashing on open after updating to kde 4.0.3?
[10:59] <obvio171> i updated something now kwin won't start automatically. does anybody know where i set it to start automatically again?
[10:59] <harolddong> I mean 4.0.4
[10:59] <harolddong> sorry
[10:59] <obvio171> i'm on kde 4.0.4
[10:59] <obvio171> kubuntu amd64
[11:00] <obvio171> harolddong: not crashing; just kwin won't start on its own :-/
[11:00] <crazy_bus> no download manager is open
[11:01] <harolddong> I can log into kde4 fine but so far any app I open that's not a qt3 or gnome app will crash and give and show the backtrace thing
[11:01] <eagles0513875> crazy_bus: u torrenting or anything like that
[11:01] <harolddong> this also happen when I log into kde3
[11:02] <crazy_bus> eagles0513875: no torrent clients open
[11:02] <eagles0513875> crazy_bus: p2p
[11:02] <crazy_bus> eagles0513875: none opened
[11:03] <harolddong> should I remove the kde4 profile and try and start fresh?
[11:04] <eagles0513875> crazy_bus: interesting
[11:04] <harolddong> so far konsole is the only kde4 app that will open for me
[11:05] <ere4si> crazy_bus: I don't know..
[11:07] <ct529> I am running 7.10 for 386 but would like to update to 804 for amd 64 by using the network. Is that possible?
[11:08] <eagles0513875> !upgrade
[11:08] <eagles0513875> !upgrade | ct529
[11:09] <ct529> eagles0513875: well, I know that document. I am not sure you read my full question. :D
[11:09] <eagles0513875> ct529: to be honest they got rid of upgrading ur sources and just running a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:10] <eagles0513875> thats the way i used to do it but left me with more problems then its worth
[11:10] <ct529> eagles0513875: I used to do that, it did work well for me ....
[11:10] <eagles0513875> lucky i ended up with too many issues
[11:10] <flaccid> using what network?
[11:10] <ct529> eagles0513875: but the problem here is moving from i386 to amd64
[11:10] <flaccid> there are many networks
[11:11] <eagles0513875> gotcha
[11:14] <crazy_bus> It seems a process called 'http' is using the internet.  Does anyone know what it is exactly?
[11:15] <flaccid> crazy_bus: please paste the entry from ps
[11:16] <crazy_bus> flaccid: I found it.  Adebt is still accessing the internet even though it's shut
[11:16] <flaccid> cool
[11:16] <flaccid> pretty typical
[11:16] <crazy_bus> would it hurt it to kill 'http'
[11:17] <flaccid> probably not. i get quite annoyed at the lack of adept killing itself..
[11:24] <tdn> How do I run VMware server in Kubuntu Hardy Heron?
[11:25] <eddieftw> !vm
[11:25] <Dekans> K > System > VMware server
[11:27] <ubuntu_> uhh, hi... just upgraded to hardy heron, and accidently didn't let grub update my menu.lst file
[11:28] <darksideII> there we go...
[11:28] <flaccid> ubuntu_: did you submit a bug yet
[11:28] <darksideII> its not a bug... its just i pressed the wrong button on install :P
[11:28] <darksideII> just wondering if its possible to edit the menu.lst file manually
[11:28] <flaccid> ah ok
[11:28] <darksideII> now, i've mounted the partition, all good there
[11:29] <flaccid> darksideII: sorry. kdeusdo /boot/grub/menu.list
[11:29] <darksideII> yeah i got that part fine
[11:29] <darksideII> im just not sure what to add to it
[11:29] <darksideII> i see all this UUID crap, and im not sure what to do about it
[11:29] <flaccid> you would need to know the partition the bootable fs is on
[11:29] <Dekans> update-grub ?
[11:29] <flaccid> good point Dekans
[11:29] <darksideII> uhh
[11:29] <darksideII> yo uhave to have it mounted to /boot to get that working
[11:30]  * flaccid feels like an old manual guy
[11:30] <darksideII> no wait
[11:30] <darksideII> i'm chrooted in anyway
[11:30] <darksideII> hehe
[11:30] <flaccid> darksideII: you need to be booted into the operating system in question not a livecd or otherwise
[11:30] <flaccid> ok good luck
[11:30] <darksideII> or you chroot into the os :)
[11:30] <darksideII> like i just did
[11:30] <flaccid> yeah
[11:30] <Dekans> you can do it with a desktop CD too
[11:31] <darksideII> oh wtf, it didn't change a damn thing
[11:31] <darksideII> ugh
[11:32] <darksideII> weeeeeeeeeeeel, what would i add to menu.lst
[11:32] <darksideII> kernel          /vmlinuz-2.6.22-14-generic root=UUID=74971c0f-17c4-4056-90de-d389700b9d2d ro quiet splash
[11:32] <darksideII> now, i' can copy those lines, etc
[11:33] <darksideII> but i dont know what to do with the uuid part
[11:33] <flaccid> just fyi you dn't need to use UUID
[11:33] <darksideII> oh nice :)
[11:33] <flaccid> myself, i skip it when going manual here
[11:33] <darksideII> so... what would i add
[11:33] <flaccid> so /dev/sda1 or whateve will do
[11:33] <flaccid> the linux logical device name
[11:33] <darksideII> vmlinuz-2.6.24-16-generic
[11:33] <flaccid> as per fdisk and grub
[11:33] <darksideII> i have that
[11:33] <darksideII> uh
[11:33] <flaccid> thats the kernel etc.
[11:34] <darksideII> ohhhhh ok
[11:34] <darksideII> i get it
[11:34] <darksideII> so the root= part is the partition
[11:35] <flaccid> yep
[11:35] <darksideII> well... since i've only upgraded, not reinstalled, and its on the same partition anyway
[11:35] <darksideII> couldn't i just modify the lines?
[11:35] <darksideII> and use the same UUID's ?
[11:36] <darksideII> kernel          /vmlinuz-2.6.24-16-generic root=UUID=74971c0f-17c4-4056-90de-d389700b9d2d ro quiet splash
[11:36] <darksideII> like, do that?
[11:36] <flaccid> ah uuid is made from the part/fs uniquely so any change will be a dif uuid so a direct linux logical dev name is fine
[11:36] <flaccid> !uuid
[11:36] <flaccid> if that sthe right uuid then yes looks ok i think
[11:37] <flaccid> you could have for eg. /vmlinuz...... root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet
[11:37] <darksideII> heh
[11:37] <darksideII> well, the uuid's seem fine
[11:37] <flaccid> cool
[11:38] <o0Chris0o> hey guys, if I do sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop and after it installes and make kde the default session,  could I delete gnome and just run kubuntu?
[11:38] <veress> j/ dej
[11:38] <veress> j dej
[11:38] <flaccid> o0Chris0o: yep
[11:38] <darksideII> well... time to give this a go
[11:39] <o0Chris0o> flaccid: cool, thanks...oh yah..will it still load as ubuntu? splash screen
[11:39] <o0Chris0o> or switch to kubuntu
[11:39] <flaccid> it will load as kdm as the login manager without gdm or gnome
[11:41] <o0Chris0o> alright thanks
[11:41] <flaccid> np
[11:41] <o0Chris0o> kde just has soo much more stuff I don't like to be limited
[11:41] <o0Chris0o> :)
[11:41] <flaccid> not sure what you mean. but kde kills gnome afaic
[11:41] <o0Chris0o> superkaramba for instance
[11:42] <flaccid> superkaramba is being replaced in kde4
[11:42] <o0Chris0o> replaced by something better I assume?
[11:42] <flaccid> yeah plasma
[11:42] <o0Chris0o> cool
[11:42] <mil> Question
[11:42] <Darkside> weeeeeeeeeeel, seems ok :)
[11:43] <mil> what's .<dir> dirs ?
[11:43] <Darkside> kde loaded up all goof
[11:43] <Darkside> good*
[11:43] <o0Chris0o> I downloaded it and installed it week ago, it was just a tease tho, can't wait for the stable release
[11:43] <mil> guyz !!?
[11:43] <o0Chris0o> mil
[11:43] <o0Chris0o> dir is directory
[11:43] <mil> i know
[11:43] <flaccid> yea kd4 is not up to function of kde3 yet
[11:44] <mil> but in linux
[11:44] <mil> what's lets say .amule
[11:44] <flaccid> mil: i don't understand your query
[11:45] <mil> hmm
[11:45] <mil> if im creating a dir
[11:45] <mil> and putting dot in start
[11:45] <mil> that's mean somthing ?
[11:46] <flaccid> mil:  what are you trying to achieve
[11:49] <DarksideII> ok its notworking ....
[11:49] <DarksideII> it seems to freeze after a short time
[11:49] <flaccid> i gtg
[11:49] <DarksideII> its not the fglrx drivers, since it happens when i drop to a terminal too
[11:50] <DarksideII> http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:6eiSlbn7UMMJ:www.ryanheise.com/LW60/+lg+lw-60+debian&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=opera
[11:51] <DarksideII> that page gives tips about how to get linux booting proeprly on my lapyop, and i think i used some of those commands in grub once, but i forget how i used themnow
[11:55] <Greenery> how to make static ip address on Knetworkmanager?
[11:58] <neville_> Okay guys, I need some help. Can someone recommend to me a wireless ethernet card, something sort of recent, that is essentially works-out-of-the-box in Kubuntu 7.10?
[11:58] <neville_> Just a basic one at that, I haven't really got the money for a super duper card :P
[11:59] <ere4si> !wireless | nevi
[11:59] <ere4si> oops
[11:59] <ere4si> not what I was after
[12:00] <o0Chris0o> hey guys who do I talk to about the bots here in the channel? Id like to open up an unoffical channel on the Rizon network
[12:05] <ct529> do you know how to extract some files from one .iso image?
[12:05] <o0Chris0o> just open it up in archive application
[12:05] <o0Chris0o> and select which items you want to be extracted
[12:07] <o0Chris0o> hey guys, once I have installed kde 3, how do I remove gnome and the apps
[12:08] <ct529> o0Chris0o: my archive application does not open it .... why????
[12:08] <ct529> o0Chris0o: which archive application do you use?
[12:08] <o0Chris0o> you said its an iso?
[12:08] <o0Chris0o> try opening up cd burning software and see if you can extract it that way
[12:09] <myk_robinson> hey. How can i increase battery life on my laptop with Kubuntu? I read there is some tool in Ubuntu Gnome to make some sort of power adjustments, is there something in KDE?
[12:09] <myk_robinson> btw, laptop is a Compaq Presario F730US
[12:09] <o0Chris0o> !power
[12:09] <o0Chris0o> !battery
[12:09] <o0Chris0o> blah one sec
[12:09] <myk_robinson> thank you
[12:10] <eagles0513875> myk_robinson: i know someone who got 3hrs out of his battery
[12:10] <eagles0513875> what he did was i think he took the power management and loaded it as a module instead
[12:10] <eagles0513875> which i would like to try out and i could put that in as a suggestion for ibex
[12:10] <myk_robinson> actually, i may be jumping the gun.. I have been on it for about an hour, the battery icon claims i still have 1:58 left. Not sure how accurate it is.
[12:11] <Odd-rationale> o0Chris0o: http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[12:11] <eagles0513875> dunno either
[12:11] <eagles0513875> myk_robinson:  what proc is in ur laptop
[12:11] <o0Chris0o> ty Odd-rationale
[12:11] <o0Chris0o> :)
[12:11] <myk_robinson> athlon 64 X2
[12:11] <Odd-rationale> i got 2:58 out of my batt
[12:11] <eagles0513875> on windows i know i get 3 hrs out of it but i have so mny problems getting it to work with my turion
[12:12] <o0Chris0o> kde comes with power saving settings I think, I'm not sure, because I don't have it currently installed
[12:12] <eagles0513875> i cant get kubuntu installed what so evr
[12:12] <eagles0513875> but i know someone who has made the power management load as a module and he got 3 hrs out of his and his is an intel core 2 duo
[12:13] <eagles0513875> is there awinblows channel on here
[12:13] <Odd-rationale> yes kde comes with guidance-power-manager
[12:13] <Odd-rationale> !windows
[12:13] <myk_robinson> now the battery thingy is telling me i have over 9 hours left... funny
[12:13] <eagles0513875> what this person i know did he had it load as a module instead which seems to have significantly increased his battery life
[12:14] <Odd-rationale> myk_robinson: wow! :P
[12:14] <luc_> anybody synchronising kontact with egroupware ?
[12:15] <myk_robinson> needless to say, that is a bit inaccurate :)
[12:15] <eagles0513875> i dont know how acurate that is
[12:15] <eagles0513875> lol
[12:15] <eagles0513875> i get about an hr and half on this puppy
[12:15] <o0Chris0o> brb
[12:16] <eagles0513875> but this laptop does have an atholon 3200+
[12:16] <ActionParsni1> hey all
[12:16] <DarksideII> ok, i've worked out that my crashing problems arent to do with fglrx
[12:16] <DarksideII> its to do wiht my laptop
[12:16] <DarksideII> now, i fixed this once before, but now i can't remember what i did =/
[12:17] <ActionParsni1> is there a way to block chanserv messages in pidgin?
[12:17] <DarksideII> i think it was to do with changing some boot settings
[12:17] <luc_> anybody synchronising kontact with egroupware without problems?
[12:17] <chloe> silly question: How do I get the compiz cube to have 4 sides rather than 2 in hardy ? (i can find it in the cube options anywhere)
[12:17] <DarksideII> theres information about installing debian onmy laptop here:http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:6eiSlbn7UMMJ:www.ryanheise.com/LW60/+lg+lw-60+debian&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=opera  but i cant work out how to add the acpi=on bits to my menu.lst
[12:18] <ActionParsni1> chloe: no idea there, I hate the cube
[12:19] <chloe> ActionParsni1: it's the principle
[12:19] <ActionParsni1> chloe: I think its compiz-manager
[12:20] <Odd-rationale> chloe: do you have compizconfig-settings-manager installed?
[12:20] <ActionParsni1> chloe: jump into konsole and type compiz then hit tab a few times
[12:20] <ActionParsni1> something smart should turn up and you can configure it
[12:21] <chloe> nothign
[12:21] <Odd-rationale> chloe: then: sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[12:21] <ActionParsni1> chloe: then id install compizconfig-settings-manager like Odd-rationale says
[12:21] <chloe> i have it
[12:21] <chloe> in the general options (ccsm)
[12:21] <Odd-rationale> ok good open it
[12:22] <eagles0513875> nice to see the ladies in here getting the guts to try something new
[12:22] <luc_> one more try anybody synchronising kontact with egroupware ?
[12:22] <chloe> not really a lady just setting up a ladys computer
[12:22] <chloe> vista repulsed her :)
[12:22] <Odd-rationale> in the general options, go to desktop size. set h=4 v=1 and no. desk = 1
[12:22] <eagles0513875> ActionParsni1: lol can u make up ur mind if ur going to be using windows or linux :p btw im going to try get the latest nvidia driver for my video card
[12:22] <Odd-rationale> chloe: ^
[12:23] <eagles0513875> lol its repulsing me having issues with it thank god for my old laptop its my linux baby
[12:23] <chloe> onyl thing left to get working is wifi
[12:23] <chloe> *sigh*
[12:23] <o0Chris0o> alright I uninstalled gnome
[12:23] <ActionParsni1> eagles0513875: I use KUbuntu, eeeXUbuntu / Mandriva and have a vista box
[12:23] <o0Chris0o> but
[12:23] <o0Chris0o> it still loads
[12:23] <o0Chris0o> go figure?
[12:23] <Odd-rationale> chloe: did that work?
[12:24] <ActionParsni1> eagles0513875: its simple to troubleshoot stuf, just websearch
[12:24] <chloe> did what work ?
[12:24] <eagles0513875> ActionParsni1: lol i have a kubuntu and vista box
[12:24] <chloe> yes Odd-rationale thats what I did
[12:24] <Odd-rationale> chloe: in the general options, go to desktop size. set h=4 v=1 and no. desk = 1
[12:24] <chloe> and it worked
[12:24] <eagles0513875> tried kubuntu on my new laptop its more headache then its worth only distro that works is open suse partially
[12:24] <DarksideII> ok GREAT.... so upgrading to hardy has been a REAL bad move for me
[12:24] <Odd-rationale> chloe: ok good.
[12:25] <ActionParsni1> DarksideII, id recommend a clean install each time, have /home on a seperate partition and its simple
[12:25] <DarksideII> ...
[12:25] <DarksideII> thats not the problem
[12:25] <DarksideII> the problem is to do with acpi i think
[12:25] <DarksideII> it worked in gutsy, and doesn't work in hardy
[12:26] <DarksideII> i mean, everything else seems fine... its just my system hangs after about a minute...
[12:27] <DarksideII> and i think i had this problem with gutsy at first, but i fixed it somehow
[12:27] <DarksideII> i just can't remember how
[12:27] <ActionParsni1> ive just seen a LOT of people have issues after an upgrade so I just dont do it
[12:27] <DarksideII> hmm, i just booted with the option acpi=off
[12:28] <DarksideII> and my system hasn'y crashed yet
[12:28] <Darkside> probably just a matter of time tho :P
[12:28] <sponix> Anyone care to help with an Ubuntu/gnome question ?
[12:28] <Darkside> yeeeeeeeep, i don't think hardy likes my laptop
[12:28] <ActionParsni1> sponix: wassup?
[12:29] <Darkside> buuuuut, when i disable acpi it seems to work
[12:29] <Darkside> so... i dunno
[12:29] <ActionParsni1> Darkside: could try a clean install
[12:29] <Darkside> that would suck majorly
[12:29] <Darkside> and i bet it wouldn't help at all
[12:29] <Darkside> my laptop has some rather annoying peculiarities about it
[12:29] <eagles0513875> Darkside: what kinda laptop
[12:30] <Darkside> LG LW-60
[12:30] <ActionParsni1> well your current OS is worthless so Im guessing you are going to reinstall anyway
[12:30] <Darkside> not mainstream by any means
[12:30] <eagles0513875> cuz i have major issues getting hardy on my hp tx1308nr tablet
[12:30] <Darkside> ActionParsni1, its not worthless
[12:30] <Darkside> i'm using it now, i just had to set the option acpi=off
[12:30] <ActionParsni1> Darkside: ahh, ok cool. wtg
[12:30] <Darkside> i'm not too sure what consequences this will have though
[12:30] <eagles0513875> i have major issues getting it to install on installation hangs and then x doesnt start
[12:30] <eagles0513875> gutsy used to give me a pnp bios but on it
[12:31] <Darkside> ah yes, now i see the downside of having acpi=off
[12:31] <Darkside> i run a laptop, and now i can't see what my battery level is
[12:32] <eagles0513875> lol
[12:32] <Darkside> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=566239
[12:32] <Darkside> that looks EXACTLY like my problem
[12:32] <Darkside> the livecd works fine
[12:33] <eagles0513875> same for me
[12:33] <sponix> in gnome, how do I get it to quit trying to play DVD's and crap when I insert them? use to be an option in the "removable media" section
[12:34] <Darkside> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi/+bug/148637
[12:34] <Darkside> theres the bug, and it still hasn't been resolved
[12:34] <Darkside> way to go..
[12:34] <ActionParsni1> sponix:  Top panel Menu > System > Preferences > Removable Drives and Media
 Good evening everyone
[12:35] <Synergy_Peace> [21:31] <Synergy_Peace> i was wondering how do you permanently set the desktop background in hardy kubuntu to scale and crop ?  As it keeps going back to max aspect?
[12:38] <therion> Hi, someone know a good weblog client for kde? an alternative to BloGTK...
[12:38] <sponix> ActionParsni1: it isn't there any more in Hardy
[12:39] <ActionParsni1> sponix: then ive no idea man, I use kde
[12:39] <ActionParsni1> sponix: try /j #ubuntu
[12:39] <sponix> nothing but tards in there
[12:40] <ActionParsni1> therion: Blokkal. I just webserched as Its not something i do
[12:40] <therion> thanks actionparsni1
[12:41] <ActionParsni1> therion: np bro
[12:42] <xRaich[o]2x> therion: For KDE4 there is kblogger.
[12:43] <ActionParsni1> xRaich[o]2x: not kde3?
[12:44] <xRaich[o]2x> I don't know if there is a KDE3 version. I'm using KDE4 only. Well and KDE3 on my FreeBSD machine. But I'm not blogging from there.
[12:45] <ActionParsni1> xRaich[o]2x: how wouldyou compare KUbuntu to FreeBSD?
[12:45] <Dr_willis> sort of like a Deisle vs Gas Engine. :)
[12:46] <xRaich[o]2x> I like FreeBSD better, but if you are searching for a desktop alternative give PCBSD a try.
[12:46] <xRaich[o]2x> I'm just using Linux because there is a lot going on in userland right now ^^
[12:47] <xRaich[o]2x> And driver support under Linux is a bit better. But most of my Hardware runs with Linux and FreeBSD.
[12:48] <ActionParsni1> xRaich[o]2x: my system's hardware works out of the box in linux :)
[12:48] <ActionParsni1> xRaich[o]2x: www.efficientpc.co.uk
[12:49] <xRaich[o]2x> ActionParsni1: So does mine PCBSD ;)
[12:49] <xRaich[o]2x> +on
[12:49] <ActionParsni1> i'll give it a whirl :)
[12:50] <xRaich[o]2x> Have fun. I'm off for university. Bye
[12:50] <ActionParsni1> peace
[13:08] <Darkside> hey, how do i get rid of the little 'you are using restricted drivers' popup and icon whenever i boot...
[13:10] <ActionParsni1> Darkside: can we have the exact phrase, Ive never seen that
[13:11] <Darkside> heh
[13:11] <Darkside> i'm using the ati fglrx drivers, and when i login i get a little icon in the system tray letting me know i'm using them
[13:11] <Darkside> and its annoying :P
[13:12] <ActionParsni1> or a screenshot
[13:12] <Darkside> ..
[13:12] <Darkside> its the restricted drivers manager
[13:12] <Darkside> thats what is running
[13:12] <mistiipu> iam following http://www.ubuntugeek.com/sharing-internet-connection-in-ubuntu.html and getting following error. $ sudo echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[13:12] <mistiipu> bash: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward: Permission denied          any help?
[13:13] <ActionParsni1> mistiipu: is the file there? you could always chmod it :D
[13:14] <mistiipu> ActionParsni1 i dont know whats going on
[13:14] <Darkside> aaaaaaaaaaaaaanyway... i can probably deal with it for the moment
[13:14] <ActionParsni1> mistiipu: ty cd-ing to /proc/sys/net
[13:14] <Darkside> also, i'm using the 2.6.22 kernel at the moment, so i can have acpi
[13:14] <ActionParsni1> Darkside: you never got me what i asked for dude
[13:14] <mistiipu> ActionParsni1 ~$ cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[13:14] <mistiipu> 0
[13:14] <Darkside> ... i told you whats popping up
[13:14] <Darkside> its the restricted driver manager
[13:15] <ActionParsni1> Darkside: i asked for the  exct phrase or a screenshot
[13:15] <ActionParsni1> *exact
[13:15] <mistiipu> ActionParsni1 what is that comand echo > ... for and why isnt it working despit sudo ?
[13:15] <Darkside> ugh
[13:15] <Darkside> its the little bubble that comes up when you login, that tells you that your system is using restricted drivers to make your computer work properly
[13:16] <Darkside> aka the restricted drivers manager
[13:16] <bambach> hi all!
[13:16] <ActionParsni1> mistiipu: "echo 1 > <blah>" will put a "1" and only a "1" in the file. if you'd used >> it would have added the character to the end of the text
[13:16] <bambach> hi
[13:16] <bambach> are here german too?
[13:17] <mistiipu> $ cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[13:17] <ActionParsni1> mistiipu: if you use kdesu kate /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[13:17] <mistiipu> 0
[13:17] <mistiipu> user1@computer1:~$ echo 1 |sudo tee /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[13:17] <mistiipu> 1
[13:17] <bambach> what?
[13:17] <Pici> mistiipu: I was just going to say to do tht
[13:17] <mistiipu> :)
[13:17] <ActionParsni1> !de | bambach
[13:17] <mistiipu> thx\
[13:17] <Pici> ActionParsni1: /proc/ is not a real filesystem, and those are not real files
[13:17] <bambach> danke
[13:17] <ActionParsni1> Pici: bah
[13:17] <ActionParsni1> Pici: :)
[13:18] <snikker> i've got a "python" process in tehe process table... why? what programm run this process?
[13:19] <epimeth> snikker: kdeinit
[13:19] <epimeth> snikker: just look at the proctable in tree mode, you'll see.
[13:20] <epimeth> snikker: python is a very popular programming language today.  a lot of programs in kde use it to comunicate with eachother
[13:21] <snikker> epimeth: it's a stand alone process...
[13:21] <ActionParsni1> !python | snikker
[13:21] <epimeth> snikker: mine isn't.... but I guess its possible that it is
[13:22] <epimeth> snikker: is the command just "python" ?  (not the name, the command... scroll all the way to the right)
[13:23] <snikker> epimeth: yes the name is only "python"
[13:24] <epimeth> snikker: all right,  mine is too
[13:24] <epimeth> snikker: don't worry about it.  it honestly is a language interpreter
[13:24] <giacomo_> !it
[13:25] <snikker> epimeth: ok, but i want only know why this is running...
[13:26] <snikker> epimeth: btw it's not a big problem if i can't
[13:27] <epimeth> snikker: ah... lets see then :-)
[13:27] <Mactaylor> when does fragmentation start to build up?
[13:27] <luc_> anybody synchronising kontact with egroupware  ?
[13:28] <epimeth> Mactaylor: depends on what filesystem you use... ext3 doesn't at all afaik.
[13:29] <Mactaylor> mixed
[13:29] <epimeth> snikker: open up a console
[13:29] <Dr_willis> ext2/3 can i  be forced to fragment i hear.. but its a bit hard to do. :)
[13:29] <Mactaylor> reiserfs for / and ext3 for /home
[13:29] <snikker> epimeth: ok
[13:29] <epimeth> snikker: $ps fuxa | grep python
[13:29] <epimeth> snikker: what name do you see on the left?
[13:30] <Mactaylor> is kubuntu mutithreaded?
[13:31] <snikker> epimeth: "python /usr/bin/system-config-printer-applet-kde"   and "/usr/bin/python /usr/bin/kblueplugd"
[13:31] <Dr_willis> I thought grub had issues booting / when it was reiserfs.. or has that been fixed now?
[13:31] <Dr_willis> snikker,  i got the exact same things.
[13:32] <Dr_willis> snikker,  just some scripts that are handling the printer and bluetooth gizmos i guess
[13:32] <epimeth> snikker: well there you go :-)  I also have guidance (the power manager) running on python
[13:32] <snikker> Dr_willis: ok, thank
[13:32] <snikker> epimeth: thank you very much for help :)
[13:33] <epimeth> snikker: no worries :-)
[13:34] <bambach> Where can i register me?
[13:34] <Dr_willis> - /msg nickserv help   and read the help.
[13:34] <Dr_willis> !register
[13:35] <bambach> Thank!!!
[13:41] <eagles0513875> i think i might have found an uber problem here
[13:42] <eagles0513875> im trying to download kde4
[13:43] <eagles0513875> and for some reason i keep getting gateway time out on one of the servers
[13:45] <Dr_willis> A lot of the servers are having issues right now.
[13:45] <Dr_willis> some of the servers do not have the  4.0.4 kde files mirrored yet also.
[13:45] <sacha_> yeah,australia doesnt have it yet :(
[13:45] <sacha_> atleast iinet doesnt
[13:46] <eagles0513875> im trying to download kde4 from repos to try amarok 2
[13:47] <psycodad> hello, i have some problems working with rdesktop: arrows, pgup,pgdn, del, home etc are not working via rdesktop. Is this something known ?
[13:47] <bambach> When im registred , can other see it?
[13:47] <eagles0513875> !login
[13:47] <eagles0513875> !identify
[13:48] <eagles0513875> bambach: does that help at all
[13:48] <scriptdevil> Where are the cd burning and irc applications in a default kde4 remix?
[13:48] <sacha_> k3b for burning, konversation for irc
[13:49] <eagles0513875> should be in usual spot as in kde3
[13:49] <eagles0513875> under the same catagories
[13:49] <cgentry72> I need to create a Newsletter, any software suggestions
[13:49] <scriptdevil> eagles0513875: I dont find K3b
[13:49] <sacha_> k3b is not installed by default
[13:49] <sacha_> apt-get install k3b
[13:49] <eagles0513875> yep
[13:49] <cgentry72> and why when I ask in the ubuntu channel I get *unable to send to channel?
[13:49] <eagles0513875> sudo apt-get install k3b
[13:49] <eagles0513875> cgentry72: try /join #ubuntu
[13:50] <scriptdevil> sacha_: I did that. But it doesnt appear in the menu
[13:50] <eagles0513875> or click on my link
[13:50] <sacha_> try typing in "k3"
[13:50] <cgentry72> eagles0513875, I am in the channel but I get that message
[13:50] <Pici> cgentry72: You are probably muted, ask in #ubuntu-ops
[13:50] <cgentry72> Pici, ok thanks
[13:50] <cgentry72> well can someone here offer and software for creating Newsletters
[13:50] <scriptdevil> I am launching it using Alt-F2
[13:51] <scriptdevil> KDE4 is seriously confusing!
[13:51] <scriptdevil> :(
[13:51] <sacha_> ?
[13:51] <sacha_> click the K on left hand side
[13:52] <Dr_willis> Desktop Publishing.. thers an app for that..
[13:52] <Dr_willis> I forget its name.. Scribus?
[13:52] <Dr_willis> !info scribus
[13:52] <xRaich[o]2x> scriptdevil: It's a bit different but I got used to i pretty quickly
[13:52] <cgentry72> Dr_willis, ok thank u
[13:52] <Dr_willis> cgentry72,  there may be others.. but i dont use them
[13:53] <cgentry72> Dr_willis, thank you
[14:01] <mspatar> hello
[14:01] <Dr_willis> !hi
[14:01] <mspatar> having some issues with pptp on 8.04
[14:01] <mspatar>   pptp[12332]: segfault at 300000010 rip 7faf476dc2d0 rsp 7fff4fdebbc0 error 4
[14:01] <Dr_willis> Sorry - i know nothing on that. :()
[14:02] <mspatar> any ideas?
[14:02] <Dr_willis> but that sounds bad. Check the forums yet?
[14:02] <mspatar> still searching ...
[14:02] <mspatar> :)
[14:02] <wirechief> I am having a verification issue with k3b it gives a error for track one, md5sum /dev/cdrom gives a good md5sum, checked kde bug report 88936 and is similar
[14:04] <wirechief> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88936
[14:04] <Wiss> bonjour
[14:05] <mistiipu> iam following http://www.ubuntugeek.com/sharing-internet-connection-in-ubuntu.html done for eth1 (client) eth4 dsl connection. http://pastebin.com/m4bdf9f3a i configured for eth1 and its not working itself. link is up on client. but a cross on computer connection on server.       instead eth2 is working fine.  any help please ???
[14:06] <mspatar> ok, found this older bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pptp-linux/+bug/122844
[14:06] <mspatar> :)
[14:07] <student> :)
[14:08] <student_> :)
[14:08] <Kuba> :>
[14:08] <Kuba> ieważ routing statyczny musi być wprowadzany ręcznie przez ... Ponieważ routing statyczny wymaga dodatkowych zdolnośi administracyjnych nie jest on tak
[14:08] <Loganik> siemka
[14:08] <Kuba> zkond klikash?
[14:08] <Loganik> z 133
[14:09] <Loganik> wie ktos jak zrobic routing statyczny ?
[14:09] <Kuba> ja wiem:]
[14:09] <Loganik> klamiesz
[14:09] <Kuba> google wie
[14:09] <Loganik> ale nuda
[14:09] <Loganik> Kuba to gey :)
[14:10] <Kuba> pffffffffffffffffffff
[14:11] <Loganik> komu jeszcze sie nudzi ??
[14:11] <eagles0513875> Loganik: what language u want
[14:11] <Loganik> polish
[14:11] <eagles0513875> !pl
[14:12] <eagles0513875> Loganik: :)
[14:12] <Loganik> keine polish
[14:12] <Kuba> :)
[14:12] <mistiipu> iam following http://www.ubuntugeek.com/sharing-internet-connection-in-ubuntu.html done for eth1 (client) eth4 dsl connection. http://pastebin.com/m4bdf9f3a i configured for eth1 and its not working itself. link is up on client. but a cross on computer connection on server.       instead eth2 is working fine.  any help please ???
[14:12] <Loganik> ajm understand
[14:12] <Kuba> ale lipa z tego czata
[14:13] <Kuba> sa tu jakies lalski?
[14:13] <eagles0513875> Kuba: what language
[14:13] <eagles0513875> Loganik | Kuba this is english channel only guys plz go into polish channel linked above
[14:15] <eagles0513875> mistiipu: u using a router or switch
[14:15] <eagles0513875> r u having any dhcp issues with the other machine getting an ip address
[14:16] <mistiipu> eagles0513875 iam using 2 lan cards. seperatly
[14:16] <eagles0513875> on one machin
[14:16] <eagles0513875> e
[14:16] <Loganik> :*
[14:16] <mistiipu> eagles0513875 is my connection giving dhcp... i had static setup before..
[14:16] <Kuba> you're gay
[14:16] <Loganik> im not
[14:16] <Loganik> :P
[14:17] <eagles0513875> its rules guys if u wanna talk in polish go into pl channel didnt know u guys spoke english so cut me some slack
[14:17] <Loganik> slack == dziwka ?
[14:17] <mistiipu> eagles0513875 so what should be done
[14:17] <Loganik> meine english ist kaput
[14:17] <eagles0513875> mistiipu: r these built onto the board nic cards or pci card
[14:17] <eagles0513875> Loganik: now german
[14:18] <eagles0513875> lol
[14:18] <mistiipu> eagles0513875 one is buildin board and one is pci
[14:18] <fabrizio> ciao
[14:18] <Loganik> papa :*
[14:18] <eagles0513875> !it | fabrizio
[14:18] <fabrizio> tankyou
[14:19] <eagles0513875> mistiipu: do u need to use the 2 of them cuz i have a mobo that has both built onto the board and it seems to use only one
[14:19] <eagles0513875> no problem fabrizio
[14:20] <eagles0513875> mistiipu: were u still haveing the same issue with static ips
[14:20] <mistiipu> eagles0513875 eth4 is dsl for server. eth1 is builtin and eth2 is pci.     the client at eth1 is pci and client is builtin for eth2
[14:20] <mistiipu> eagles0513875 no.static was fine
[14:21] <eagles0513875> i noticed the same issue on my desktop machine as well which has to nics built on the board and since i was and still am using dhcp only one works
[14:22] <prateek> hello everybody
[14:22] <eagles0513875> mistiipu: did u go into system settings and make sure it was enabled and that its set to boot at startup and use dhcp
[14:22] <eagles0513875> prateek:
[14:22] <eagles0513875> what up
[14:22] <mistiipu> eagles0513875 if i uninstall dnsmasq (a DNS masquerade as well as a DHCP server) and ipmasq (IP masquerading). . will  the internet sharing stil work for static approach?
[14:23] <eagles0513875> mistiipu: not sure
[14:23] <smeril> what is the install command after using sudo apt-get secure-delete install?
[14:23] <mistiipu> k
[14:23] <mistiipu> eagles0513875 brb
[14:23] <eagles0513875> smeril: what u wanting to delete and install at same time
[14:24] <smeril> i have used sudo apt-get and downloaded the software but how can i acces?
[14:25] <smeril> [sudo] password for smeril:
[14:25] <smeril> Läser paketlistor... Färdig
[14:25] <smeril> Bygger beroendeträd
[14:26] <smeril> Läser tillståndsinformation... Färdig
[14:26] <smeril> Följande NYA paket kommer att installeras:
[14:26] <smeril>   secure-delete
[14:26] <smeril> 0 uppgraderade, 1 nyinstallerade, 0 att ta bort och 0 ej uppgraderade.
[14:26] <smeril> Behöver hämta 67,8kB arkiv.
[14:26] <smeril> Efter denna åtgärd kommer ytterligare 176kB diskutrymme att användas.
[14:26] <SlimeyPete> !paste
[14:26] <smeril> Läs:1 http://se.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/universe secure-delete 3.1-4 [67,8kB]
[14:26] <prateek> hi everybody
[14:26] <smeril> Hämtade 67,8kB på 0s (300kB/s)
[14:26] <smeril> Väljer tidigare ej valt paket secure-delete.
[14:26] <prateek> i have a strange problem in Kubuntu
[14:26] <smeril> (Läser databasen ... 120319 filer och kataloger installerade.)
[14:26] <smeril> Packar upp secure-delete (från .../secure-delete_3.1-4_i386.deb) ...
[14:26] <smeril> Ställer in secure-delete (3.1-4) ...
[14:26] <smeril> smeril@smeril-desktop:~$ secure-delete
[14:27] <smeril> bash: secure-delete: kommandot hittades inte
[14:27] <smeril> smeril@smeril-desktop:~$ secure-delete
[14:27] <smeril> bash: secure-delete: kommandot hittades inte
[14:27] <smeril> smeril@smeril-desktop:~$
[14:27] <smeril> how do i get to the program after this?
[14:27] <smeril> sry
[14:27] <smeril> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10917/
[14:28] <jhutchins> smeril: No clue.  Is that Finnish?
[14:28] <smeril> swedish
[14:28] <eagles0513875> !sw
[14:28] <eagles0513875> !swedish
[14:28] <smeril> the program is installed but how do i open it after install?
[14:29] <eagles0513875> smeril: its best u ask in swedish channel considering the pastbin is in swedish
[14:29] <jhutchins> Usually find it in the menu or enter the program name in the alt-F2 box.
[14:29] <prateek> wheni start kubuntu net doesnt start automatically
[14:29] <prateek> !!!!!!!!
[14:29] <prateek> i need to type these two commands to get right:
[14:30] <SlimeyPete> smeril: try typing "man secure-delete", see what it says
[14:30] <eagles0513875> prateek: u on hardy right
[14:30] <smeril> you dont have to see pastebin i just want to know how to open a program after install
[14:30] <prateek> sudo dhclient eth0
[14:30] <prateek> sudo dpkg --configure
[14:30] <jhutchins> smeril: By pastebin he means what you pasted here, which should have been done in a pastebin.
[14:30] <prateek> NO EAagles...i use gutsy
[14:30] <prateek> eagles can u plz help!
[14:30] <eagles0513875> prateek: im trying dude be patient
[14:30] <eagles0513875> open up system settings
[14:31] <prateekkk> ok
[14:31] <eagles0513875> and click on network settings
[14:31] <smeril> no ma post for secure delete
[14:31] <smeril> man post
[14:31] <prateekkk> yes then
[14:31] <eagles0513875> prateekkk: click on administrator mode
[14:31] <prateekkk> ok
[14:32] <eagles0513875> then click on
[14:32] <eagles0513875> configure interface and click on automatic and start during boot
[14:32] <smeril> sry
[14:32] <eagles0513875> prateekkk: reboot and see if it boots
[14:32] <SlimeyPete> smeril: I googled
[14:32] <smeril> no manual post for secure-delete it says after typing what you told me
[14:32] <prateekkk> well...there is no "configure interface" option
[14:32] <SlimeyPete> smeril: I think it's "srm" for removal
[14:33] <prateekkk> sorry
[14:33] <smeril> thanks
[14:33] <prateekkk> i got it...bt its allready checked
[14:33] <eagles0513875> how r u connected to the net via router and r u on dsl or cable
[14:34] <prateekkk> thnx..eagles...i think it should help
[14:34] <eagles0513875> prateekkk: no problem
[14:35] <prateekkk> can u help me on another front
[14:35] <eagles0513875> ill try
[14:35] <eagles0513875> this is scary food for thought
[14:35] <eagles0513875> http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/05/firefox-infects.html
[14:36] <eagles0513875> prateekkk: ill try dude whats the other front u want me to help you on
[14:36] <prateekkk> eagles0513875: i have a dual boot pc, and hv some folders on Windows Partition, its permissions
[14:36] <prateekkk> are set to be root
[14:37] <prateekkk> i want to change it to my user account (prateek), how do i do it?
[14:37] <eagles0513875> prateekkk: u obviously wanting read and rw permissions on an ntfs partition right
[14:37] <prateekkk> exactly
[14:37] <eagles0513875> !ntfs3g
[14:37] <eagles0513875> prateekkk: thats what u need
[14:37] <prateekkk> but whenever i do it (throught GUI) i get errors
[14:37] <prateekkk> like on closing Dolphin window
[14:38] <eagles0513875> prateekkk: u have ntfs installed right now right
[14:38] <prateekkk> "unable to save bookmarks.."
[14:38] <prateekkk> yes i have ntfs
[14:38] <eagles0513875> 3g
[14:38] <prateekkk> yes
[14:38] <eagles0513875> ok
[14:38] <eagles0513875> do u know how to use command line
[14:39] <prateekkk> ya...little bit..i am a 1st yr electronics engineer
[14:39] <eagles0513875> thats kool
[14:39] <eagles0513875> open up konsole
[14:39] <prateekkk> yup
[14:39] <eagles0513875> im actually working on my linux certification
[14:39] <eagles0513875> u might like my site which is still a work in progress http://howtokubuntu.x10hosting.com
[14:39] <prateekkk> Joomla?
[14:40] <prateekkk> what is linux certification
[14:40] <eagles0513875> lol ya its the template once i finish my exams on thursday week ill be able to work on it
[14:40] <eagles0513875> from linux professional institute
[14:40] <prateekkk> which country?
[14:40] <eagles0513875> u can do it anywhere in world
[14:40] <eagles0513875> http://lpi.org/
[14:40] <eagles0513875> now back to ur problem
[14:40] <prateekkk> India?
[14:40] <prateekkk> yup
[14:41] <eagles0513875> lol u can do it anywhere in the world us europe anywhere
[14:41] <eagles0513875> type cd /etc/
[14:41] <eagles0513875> then type kdesu kate fstab
[14:42] <prateekkk> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-prateek" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[14:42] <prateekkk> Error: "/tmp/kde-prateek" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[14:42] <prateekkk> Error: "/tmp/ksocket-prateek" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[14:42] <prateekkk> i got a file opened too
[14:42] <eagles0513875> close out of it
[14:42] <eagles0513875> u know how to unmount stuff
[14:42] <prateekkk> means?
[14:42] <prateekkk> well....
[14:43] <eagles0513875> nothing i forgot that u need to unmount that partition
[14:43] <prateekkk> ok
[14:43] <eagles0513875> let me know when u have done it
[14:43] <prateekkk> bt it will be mounted on reboot right?
[14:43] <BluesKaj> good day
[14:43] <eagles0513875> ya
[14:43] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: what up g
[14:44] <Daisuke_Laptop> that's like the fifth time i've seen that error with hardy
[14:44] <eagles0513875> what error
[14:44] <Daisuke_Laptop> with gutsy with was the mounting thing
[14:44] <prateekkk> it has thrown a error
[14:44] <Daisuke_Laptop> "owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0"
[14:44] <Daisuke_Laptop> is the new one
[14:44] <eagles0513875> Daisuke_Laptop: hes on gutsy
[14:44] <prateekkk> Device to unmount in not in /media/.hal-mtan so its not mounted by HAL
[14:45] <BluesKaj> hi eagles0513875 , having some breakfast
[14:45] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: kool what time is it where u at
[14:45] <BluesKaj> 9:45AM
[14:45] <eagles0513875> nice
[14:45] <eagles0513875> +6 hrs here
[14:45] <eagles0513875> prateekkk: open up that thing u had open before
[14:45] <prateekkk> terminal?
[14:45] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: im trying not to throw my other laptop out the window
[14:46] <eagles0513875> prateekkk:
[14:46] <eagles0513875> ya
[14:46] <prateekkk> yyup
[14:46] <eagles0513875> do kdesu kate /etc/fstab
[14:46] <eagles0513875> and ignore what it says in terminal and focus on the file that opens
[14:46] <prateekkk> yup
[14:47] <eagles0513875> is the file open
[14:47] <BluesKaj> uhoh eagles0513875 , what's wrong with the other laptop ?
[14:48] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: bsod error is tdi.sys
[14:48] <eagles0513875> running a repair chkdsk off installationsource
[14:48] <BluesKaj> which OS ?
[14:48] <eagles0513875> vista 64bit
[14:49] <eagles0513875> which has been good to me up till today
[14:49] <mistiipu> eagles0513875 i cant get internet shared
[14:49] <prateekkk> eagles?
[14:49] <mistiipu> eagles0513875 the link on both clients is up.
[14:49] <eagles0513875> mistiipu: ok but u cant share ur connection
[14:49] <eagles0513875> prateekkk: yo ok u have it open now right
[14:50] <mistiipu> but no sharing. i think its with some dhcp thing or sharing
[14:50] <prateekkk> yes
[14:50] <mistiipu> eagles0513875 it works good with static ip approach. i mean it gets up. when i click dhcp option on clients . it goes limited
[14:50] <eagles0513875> prateekkk: u need to write -3g where it says ntfs and then reboot machine
[14:51] <prateekkk> ok
[14:51] <mistiipu> eagles0513875 i have made static connections on 'server' do i need to change them to dhcp too?
[14:51] <eagles0513875> mistiipu: humm i dunno what to tell u have u tried taking out the cable then plugging it back in
[14:51] <eagles0513875> mistiipu: u running a domain
[14:51] <mistiipu> eagles0513875 so?
[14:51] <prateekkk> but i think kubuntu 7.10 has NTFS-3g like something...so why only 3g
[14:52] <eagles0513875> prateekkk: add the 3g where it says ntfs for ur ntfs partition
[14:52] <prateekkk> ok
[14:52] <eagles0513875> mistiipu: u running a domain controller if u r those have to be static for reliability purposes
[14:52] <eagles0513875> if not then try changing it to dhcp
[14:56] <mistiipu> eagles0513875 no working
[14:57] <eagles0513875> then revert to way it was before
[14:57] <mistiipu> how
[14:57] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: any idea here
[14:57] <eagles0513875> wait
[14:57] <eagles0513875> did u change the setting on server
[14:57] <mistiipu> what kind of?
[14:58] <eagles0513875> change it to use dhcp
[14:58] <mistiipu> done that.
[14:58] <mistiipu> next?
[14:58] <eagles0513875> and r u using a router to connect these machines
[14:58] <mistiipu> no. direct nic to nic
[14:58] <BluesKaj> not a vista clue , eagles0513875 unless you partitioned and added a Linux app to the drive then I'd check out Easy BCD
[14:58] <eagles0513875> then make sure subnet and and default gateway r the same on both machines
[14:59] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: lol i cant even get kubuntu installed on there with out headaches
[14:59] <mistiipu> eagles0513875  i think dhcp dont require anything or ip to enter?
[15:00] <mistiipu> eagles0513875 can you tell me what should be the ips gatware on server eth1 ?
[15:00] <eagles0513875> r u trying just to connect these machines to the net or to each other only
[15:00] <mistiipu> iam on server. i need 2 pcs conect to me by 2 dif nics share internet
[15:01] <mistiipu> eth1 eth2
[15:01] <eagles0513875> ok
[15:01] <eagles0513875> get ur server on the net
[15:01] <mistiipu> it is
[15:01] <eagles0513875> now see what its subenet and default gateway r
[15:01] <eagles0513875> and use those for the other nic and machine
[15:01] <mistiipu> my dsl gateway you mean?
[15:01] <mistiipu> imy dsl router ip is 192.168.1.1
[15:01] <eagles0513875> yes
[15:02] <eagles0513875> mistiipu: u sure ur router isnt trying to give out a dhcp address and its conflicting with ur static ip
[15:02] <mistiipu> i should put dns as 192.168.1.1 on the clients?
[15:02] <eagles0513875> that would be ur default gateway not dns
[15:02] <mistiipu> eagles0513875 my router does gives dchp
[15:03] <eagles0513875> mistiipu: would u prefer static ips or dynamic
[15:03] <mistiipu> i should put default as 192.168.1.1 on the clients?
[15:03] <mistiipu> eagles0513875 static
[15:03] <mistiipu> i should put default gw as 192.168.1.1 on the clients?
[15:03] <eagles0513875> ok mistiipu then disable dhcp on ur router
[15:04] <mistiipu> eagles0513875 i cant do that. its my dsl setings
[15:04] <Skrible> Heyy. How can i mount ntfs drive?
[15:05] <mistiipu> eagles0513875 can you tell me the ip settings
[15:05] <mistiipu> ?
[15:05] <eagles0513875> !ntfs3g | Skrible
[15:05] <eagles0513875> mistiipu: what is ur server which has internet access what is its subenet mask
[15:05] <Skrible> I have in fstab the folowing: /dev/sdb1 /media/the\040asema ntfs umask=222,utf8 0 0 but, when i boot my system and try to acces the drive, it says permission denied
[15:06] <eagles0513875> Skrible: do u have ntfs3g installed
[15:06] <Skrible> yep
[15:06] <mistiipu> eagles0513875 iam on server. my router ip is 192.168.1.1
[15:06] <eagles0513875> that is ur default gateway
[15:06] <Skrible> wait.. i'll doublechek
[15:06] <Skrible> it worked earlier, it just stopped working today.
[15:06] <eagles0513875> mistiipu: make sure the subnet mask is something like 255.255.255.0 on all machines for subnet
[15:07] <eagles0513875> Skrible: in the fstab where its says ntfs did u add -3g
[15:07] <mistiipu> previously for static ips . i put my server as 192.168.0.1 for eth1 and 192.168.11.1 for eth2
[15:07] <BluesKaj> Skrible, you've checked system menu/storage media ?
[15:08] <eagles0513875> mistiipu: then ur subnet should be 255.255.0.255
[15:08] <mistiipu> yes.
[15:08] <eagles0513875> for all even on ur 2nd machine that ur trying to get on the net as well
[15:08] <Skrible> eagles0513875: oh.. where do i have to add that?
[15:08] <mistiipu> and 255.255.11.255 for eth2
[15:08] <Skrible> BluesKaj: nope. How do i do that?
[15:09] <eagles0513875> mistiipu: that wont work for a subnet mask
[15:09] <eagles0513875> mistiipu: it has to be what i told u 255.255.0.255
[15:09] <mistiipu> eagles0513875 ok. i give up... its very time consuming. how do i revert back?
[15:09] <eagles0513875> mistiipu: ur almost there
[15:09] <mistiipu> ahan..?
[15:09] <mistiipu> so what do ya want me to do
[15:10] <BluesKaj> Skrible, theres' a computer Icon in the panel , click on it choose storage media , see if the windows/ntfs drive is listed
[15:10] <eagles0513875> the subnet mask for all machines should be what i mentioned that means that the 3rd batch numbers in the ip is what changes and nothing else when u have a 0
[15:10] <Skrible> BluesKaj: I've cheked my partitions with fdisk if you mean that
[15:10] <mistiipu> i should set 255.255.0.255 as netmask on serveR?
[15:10] <eagles0513875> yes as well as ur 2nd machine and eth2
[15:11] <Skrible> yep it is listed
[15:11] <mistiipu> eagles0513875 then should i go for dhcp?
[15:11] <Skrible> and it says it is disabled
[15:11] <eagles0513875> u can try
[15:11] <mistiipu> eagles0513875 i must repeat. i have 2 diff nics on those 2 eths
[15:11] <mistiipu> eagles0513875 what setting should be on the client side?
[15:12] <eagles0513875> subnet should be the same as the server
[15:12] <eagles0513875> 255.255.0.255 adn ip should be something like 192.168.12.1
[15:12] <eagles0513875> and default gateway should be the ip of ur dsl router
[15:13] <mistiipu> ok. dns?
[15:13] <Sylphid|work> Hello, im having a problem with firefox that seems to be specific with kde, radio buttons check boxes and the like are unable to be seen when checked until the item has been unselected (is no longer highlighted)
[15:13] <eagles0513875> what is the dns of ur server set to
[15:13] <eagles0513875> Sylphid|work: same with me dude im guessing ur on firefox3 beta5
[15:14] <Sylphid|work> eagles0513875, yup....
[15:14] <Sylphid|work> eagles0513875, works fine with gnome though
[15:14] <mistiipu> ip on client facing eth1  192.168.0.2 and for eth2 192.168.0.3 would be fine? both having subnet mask 255.255.0.255 and def gw 192.168.1.1 (my dsl router)
[15:14] <mistiipu> ?
[15:14] <eagles0513875> Sylphid|work: 3 still has alot of bugs to be worked out
[15:14] <mistiipu> eagles0513875
[15:14] <eagles0513875> mistiipu: correct
[15:14] <mistiipu> eagles0513875 what about dns
[15:15] <eagles0513875> let me check something
[15:15] <mistiipu> k
[15:15] <eagles0513875> mistiipu: this is where it gets a lil tricky
[15:15] <eagles0513875> wait no it doesnt under system settings open up network settings on ur server
[15:16] <eagles0513875> under domain name system does it have an ip addresses on the top box
[15:17] <mistiipu> no
[15:17] <eagles0513875> nothing there
[15:17] <Skrible> nah.. i just cannot acces the ntfs
[15:17] <Skrible> even if it is mounted
[15:17] <eagles0513875> mistiipu: leave it blank and see if that works for u
[15:17] <mistiipu> m
[15:18] <joseph> !kmplayer
[15:18] <eagles0513875> !mplayer
[15:18] <mistiipu> not working
[15:18] <mistiipu> eagles0513875 i ll revert
[15:19] <eagles0513875> alright it might be a bug
[15:19] <Skrible> hmm
[15:19] <eagles0513875> amarok 2 is pretty sweet
[15:19] <mistiipu> eagles0513875 ok. i give up... its very time consuming. how do i revert back?
[15:20] <eagles0513875> mistiipu: enable dhcp on ur router
[15:20] <mistiipu> eagles0513875 i already get dchp
[15:20] <eagles0513875> and tell all eth devices to use dhcp to get their ip and set it to automatic
[15:20] <Sylphid|work> eagles0513875, looks like there was a bug reported for the FF3 problem and a workaround here > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/194624/comments/9 .... trying it now
[15:21] <eagles0513875> amarok 2 is sweet
[15:21] <eagles0513875> Sylphid|work: im not bothered about it atm i am in middle of exams and im soon goign to be stripping the os to begin my own os dev after next thursday
[15:25] <Skrible> Nah.. its not working.. :/
[15:29] <Chrysalis> is there a way to move the navigation toolbar (buttons/addressbar/search) at the main menu toolbar like i can in firefox?
[15:29] <Skrible> So yeah. I have this problem. I got ntfs-condig installed, i have ntfs3g and my ntfs drive wont mount
[15:29] <kris__> Hello, can someone tell me how to completly remove compiz+emerald and return to basic kde style
[15:29] <Chrysalis> seems like i can just configure each one but cant move stuff from one toolbar to another
[15:29] <Chrysalis> in konqueror that is
[15:32] <udi> can anyone help with configuring the Logitech G9 mouse on Kubuntu 8.04?
[15:32] <udi> I followed some HOWTO, but it failed
[15:33] <BluesKaj> Skrible, right click on the drive , is there a "mount" option in the dialogbox ?
[15:33] <harris> guys how can I start Gqcam? I already downloaded it, but I can't see it in menu.
[15:34] <Skrible> yeah
[15:34] <Skrible> its not that
[15:34] <Skrible> i know how to mount
[15:34] <harris> guys how can I start Gqcam? I already downloaded it, but I can't see it in menu.
[15:34] <Skrible> or i think i do (it seems i cant do that)
[15:34] <Skrible> it is allready mounted (probably in wrong way) but i cant acces it
[15:35] <kris__> Hello, can someone tell me how to completly remove compiz+emerald and return to basic kde style
[15:35] <Skrible> hmm i thing it is not using the libntfs-3g
[15:35] <Skrible> kris__: use the simple compiz manager
[15:36] <Skrible> simple-ccsm from your command linme
[15:37] <harris> guys how can I start Gqcam? I already downloaded it, but I can't see it in menu.
[15:39] <BluesKaj> Skrible, there's an app called ntfs-config , install that then relogin
[15:39] <harris> help guys how can I start Gqcam? I already downloaded it, but I can't see it in menu.
[15:41] <mistiipu> eagles0513875 how can i revert
[15:42] <BluesKaj> BBIAB
[15:45] <wesley> !puregnome
[15:45] <mistiipu> i followed http://www.ubuntugeek.com/sharing-internet-connection-in-ubuntu.html but it didnt worked for me. how can i revert?
[15:54] <Skrible> BluesKaj: done that
[15:55] <Skrible> i told you, i have _mounted_ my ntfs drive before, and it worked fine. Somewhy it doesnt work anymore..
[15:55] <Skrible> buutt.. im trying something.. lets hope it works :)
[15:59] <Terminator> where exactly do I add for example the auto auth command (/msg Q@CServe.quakenet.org auth) for quakenet in Konversation??
[16:00] <jabba_> life's a bummer!
[16:01] <Terminator> thanks! :P
[16:06] <jabba_> Terminator: hey, sorry, i forgot this is #help-terminator. what can I do for you?
[16:07] <Terminator> I was wondering were to enter that auto auth command
[16:08] <Terminator> There is this "Commands" thing in server edit
[16:08] <Terminator> but when I enter "/msg Q@CServe.quakenet.org auth" there it doesnt auth me
[16:08] <jabba_> have you considered, you know, asking the people on quakenet?
[16:09] <[Relic]> Anything on the live cd that would allow me to access and determine if the MBR is good or bad?
[16:09] <jdavies> Terminator: best ask on #quakenet on quakenet
[16:09] <jabba_> [Relic]: grub can tell you that
[16:09] <jabba_> [Relic]: and you can re-frob the mbr from the live cd as well
[16:10] <Terminator> ??
[16:10] <Terminator> I just need info about Konversation
[16:10] <Terminator> in Xchat I can add this to the "perform" list
[16:11] <[Relic]> I've tried grub, that give "GRUB read error" and nothing else, and I have tried lilo and that doesn't load either, thinking it is the poor controller since this HD was working till I put it on this MB
[16:11] <Terminator> I know how to auth
[16:11] <Terminator> just not how to auto-auth in Konversation
[16:11] <jabba_> [Relic]: what's the error number?
[16:11] <Terminator> have been using Ubuntu last few days
[16:11] <Skrible> yeah doesnt work :/
[16:11] <Skrible> f**k!
[16:12] <[Relic]> jabba_: there is no error number
[16:13] <[Relic]> jabba_: "GRUB read error" is all it says
[16:15] <jabba_> [Relic]: are you sure you're pointing to the right partition?
[16:15] <marco__> hi all
[16:15] <dwidmann> Terminator: have you looked at the auto-identify in your user profile in konversation? Maybe it can handle it
[16:15] <jabba_> when you boot, can you use 'e' and edit the boot line and try other partitions?
[16:15] <BluesKaj> Skrible, look in the kmenu for the ntfs-config app , then run it .There will be some options.
[16:15] <marco__> my kdesudo does not work anymore
[16:15] <dwidmann> Terminator: certainly works wonders with nickserv anyhow
[16:15] <marco__> i cannot run any sudo dependant program like adept_manager
[16:16] <dwidmann> marco__: what does it say when you try?
[16:16] <marco__> nothing
[16:16] <marco__> really nothing
[16:16] <BluesKaj> !aptfix | marco__
[16:16] <dwidmann> marco__: even when you run it in konsole?
[16:16] <[Relic]> jabba_: no clue, it appears so, since device.map says  (hd0) /dev/sda  and  root is (hd0,1) since the swap is the first section of the disk
[16:16] <marco__> dwidmann: yes
[16:17] <dwidmann> marco__: whoa ... that's weird
[16:17] <marco__> ubottu: i think it's not locked because i can run apt-get as root from a terminal
[16:17] <jabba_> [Relic]: when i have grub issues, i generally work with it interactive
[16:18] <BluesKaj> marco__, is adept taking your pw ok ?
[16:18] <jabba_> but yeah, using the live cd is probably the best way to get out of it
[16:18] <[Relic]> jabba_: I can't get to GRUB so I wouldn't be able too
[16:18] <Skrible> BluesKaj: well.. i have tried that thousands of times
[16:18] <Skrible> doesnt work. :(
[16:19] <Skrible> plus it wont detect my partition
[16:19] <marco__> BluesKaj: yes, i also did a kdesu -s which unset the password
[16:19] <jabba_> [Relic]: of course you can get to grub
[16:19] <dwidmann> marco__: can you use regular sudo, ie:, sudo echo "blah" would echo blah? or is that malfunctioning also?
[16:19] <jabba_> [Relic]: if you can get to the "grub read error", you can work with it interactively.
[16:20] <Skrible> wtf, BluesKaj quess what
[16:20] <Skrible> its working
[16:20] <marco__> dwidmann: it echo nothing
[16:21] <Skrible> i took ntfs-3g of, and put the folowing to my fstab /dev/hda1 /mnt/ntfs-sys ntfs ro,dmask=0222,fmask=0333 0 0
[16:21] <dwidmann> marco__: is your user a member of the "admin" group?
[16:21] <[Relic]> jabba_: how do you access it once it is there, since that is the only line that shows up
[16:21] <BluesKaj> Skrible, where did you find that advice ?
[16:22] <marco__> dwidmann: that's maybe the correct problem
[16:22] <marco__> i changed recently my groups
[16:22] <Skrible> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1886.html
[16:22] <Skrible> BluesKaj: but yeah.. im a noob but not pure noob :)
[16:23] <Skrible> (used linux since 03)
[16:23] <Skrible> but still im a noob.. :D
[16:23] <dwidmann> Skrible: how can you get away with calling yourself a linux noob after 8 years?
[16:23] <dwidmann> **5
[16:24] <marco__> dwidmann: it was, thanks
[16:24] <jonathan__> hello!
[16:24] <dwidmann> marco__: ah, good to hear that it's fixed then
[16:24] <jonathan__> does anyone know a program to record voice?
[16:24] <Skrible> dwidmann: because I havent done anythign special with linux
[16:24] <dwidmann> jonathan__: with a microphone
[16:24] <dwidmann> :P
[16:24] <BluesKaj> well congrats Skrible , you fixed it yourself with some smart research ...best way to learn IMO :)
[16:25] <jonathan__> nice idea, but i asked for a program, didn't i?
[16:25] <Skrible> BluesKaj: yeah.. well i always research before asking
[16:25] <dwidmann> Skrible: that doesn't sound very n00b-like
[16:25] <Skrible> dwidmann: and i use mainly windows because I need photoshop and stuff with my work
[16:26] <jabba_> jonathan__: hey, you showed up asking for help, not for a program.
[16:26] <Skrible> but it doesnt make me expert. I'm just able to do some basic stuff
[16:26] <BluesKaj> wow, I'm more of a noob then ...only been doing linux exclusively for 3 yrs , fooled around for 6 yrs before that.
[16:26] <Skrible> that makes more years than i've used linux
[16:27] <dwidmann> I've been on linux for about 3-4 years too ... whenever Mandrake 10 was released anyway
[16:28] <Skrible> I started with mandrake too :D
[16:28] <Skrible> it was way too buggy for me and i changed to debian
[16:28]  * genii hides his RH5 cds
[16:28] <Skrible> i still have debian installed on my laptop
[16:29]  * wirechief-intel hands out achievement medals to old timers 
[16:29]  * dwidmann wants a medal too :(
[16:30]  * wirechief-intel hands out battlescar and purple ribbons to newbies
[16:30] <jabba_> wirechief-intel: what counts as "old timers"?
[16:31] <wirechief-intel> well, thats a question we answer ourselfs ;)
[16:31] <dwidmann> I'm only 22, it must not mean me :)
[16:31] <Skrible> im olny 19, it must not mean me either
[16:31] <Skrible> neither*
[16:32] <dwidmann> Darn, now I feel old, give me a bloody medal
[16:32] <jabba_> wirechief-intel: my first unix install was 1993 on a sparc 2 :)
[16:32] <BluesKaj> I tried suse, fedora and mandriva , then debian and that's what caused my move to kubuntu.
[16:32] <wirechief-intel> dwidmann age is not a qualifier, just short or long timer with the battle
[16:32] <JoshOvki> im as old as i feel ;)
[16:32] <jabba_> first linux install was 1996 on a 486-dx4-100
[16:32] <dwidmann> JoshOvki: so how does that make you? 6?
[16:32] <JoshOvki> dwidmann: thats as old as i act ;)
[16:32] <Skrible> BluesKaj: i changed to ubuntu when i was looking for something debian alike
[16:33]  * dwidmann laughs himself red in the face
[16:33]  * wirechief-intel changed to linux to get freedom from windows
[16:33]  * jabba_ kicks amarok
[16:33]  * dwidmann changed to linux because frozen bubble is awesome
[16:34] <jabba_> heh, i never "changed to linux" :)
[16:34] <JoshOvki> lol
[16:34]  * Skrible changed to linux because irssi is awesome
[16:34] <wirechief-intel> but now all i have for metals are bugs and fly swatters.
[16:34] <jabba_> Skrible: you can run irssi on macos too :)
[16:34] <Skrible> and on windows too
[16:34] <Skrible> but lets not talk about that... :D
[16:34] <BluesKaj> I actually got started with knoppix ...I found it uhmmm, intriguing , cuz it was the first linux app that actually connected to the internet without any configging ...was kinda hooked after that
[16:34] <JoshOvki> i changed because
[16:34] <JoshOvki> ...
[16:34] <JoshOvki> i dont know :S
[16:34] <BluesKaj> scuse the pun :)
[16:35] <Skrible> well... I'm born in the same city with Linus Torvalds
[16:35] <jlido> Can someone tell me what I need to do to get firefox2 to find the java plugin?
[16:35] <Skrible> ..and attending the same uni :E
[16:35] <Skrible> muhahaha!
[16:35] <eagles0513875> Skrible: kool
[16:35] <jabba_> Skrible: but do you go to the school RMS teaches at? :)
[16:36] <wirechief-intel> jlido there are all kinds of howtos use google, its probably a symlink that is needed.
[16:36] <Skrible> jabba_: ... do you? :D
[16:36] <jabba_> Skrible: i flunked out of college :)
[16:36] <JoshOvki> jildo: try installing sun-java6-plugin through APT
[16:36] <Skrible> hmm
[16:37] <jabba_> my last semester of high school i got an 0.2 gpa
[16:37] <jabba_> throughout college i got about a 2.0, and was doing autoshop for most of it
[16:37] <jlido> JoshOvki: yup, it's already installed
[16:37] <Skrible> hmm... I live in the same city where first graphical webbrowser was made in
[16:37] <BonesolTeraDyne> !offtopic | jabba_ Skrible
[16:38] <JoshOvki> jlido: run       sudo update-alternatives --config java
[16:38] <jlido> did that too
[16:38] <jlido> picked the java-6-sun java
[16:38] <JoshOvki> restarted FF?
[16:39] <jlido> and I picked the java6 plugin for xulrunner
[16:39] <jlido> yes, I restarted FF
[16:39] <giacomo> !it
[16:39] <mefisto__> jlido: if you make a symlink in ~/.mozilla/plugins to /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so I think it will work. probably have to create ~/.mozilla/plugins first
[16:39] <Skrible> hmm... I was just gonna say that my aunty lives next to mysql author, I've met the developer of irssi and irc... but I wont tell you that..
[16:40] <mefisto__> oops sorry not flashplayer
[16:40] <jlido> no, but I get the idea
[16:41] <jlido> trying that
[16:41] <DexterF> hi
[16:41] <jlido> Well, that worked, but what's up with xulrunner not working?
[16:42] <jlido> thanks for your help with that mefisto__ and JoshOvki
[16:42] <JoshOvki> no problem jlido glad you got it working
[16:47] <BluesKaj> Skrible, Helsinki ?
[16:47] <ct529> hi there! How do I activate root login in kubuntu?
[16:47] <JoshOvki> !root | ct529
[16:48] <ct529> JoshOvki: I know that document
[16:48] <JoshOvki> ct529:  why you trying to root? (just out of curiosity)
[16:48] <ct529> JoshOvki: I want to lohg
[16:48] <rickest> ct529: if you must, you can 'sudo bash' then 'passwd'
[16:48] <ct529> JoshOvki: I want to login at kdm level
[16:49] <ct529> JoshOvki: just because as admin is a bore to have to sudo everything .... I think is an amazingly silly thing ....
[16:49] <ct529> JoshOvki: but I have never enabled it on j
[16:49] <ct529> kubuntu or ubuntu
[16:50] <JoshOvki> ct529: are you using kde4 or 3?
[16:50] <ct529> 3.5.9 on 804 for amd64
[16:51] <sreesai> Anybody having Canon PIXMA iP13000 Printer Driver
[16:51] <JoshOvki> kk, this is me trying to remember because im using kde4  System Settings > Advanced > Login Manager  and in there i think there is somewhere to allow root login
[16:51] <JoshOvki> ct529: have you also changed the root pw?
[16:52] <mefisto__> ct529: http://www.debianadmin.com/enable-and-disable-ubuntu-root-password.html
[16:52] <JoshOvki> or do that ^^^
[16:52] <mefisto__> ct529: not it says there, not recommended
[16:52] <mefisto__> *note
[16:53] <ct529> I have already activated the root user, I want to login in kdm
[16:53] <mefisto__> and its not listed in kdm? what if you type "root" as the user name?
[16:54] <SlimeyPete> root logins are disabled in kdm by default
[16:55] <SlimeyPete> I think you need to edit kdm.conf
[16:55] <mistiipu_> i think i need tc command. i read the man. but it gave me headaches.         i need eth1+eth2=20k/s dl limit and 4k upload       and i dont want any eth user to consume all the trafic (while both eth1 and eth2 are online) and drain bandwidth from the other. any help?
[16:55] <SlimeyPete> ah
[16:55] <SlimeyPete> ct529: http://www.interwebworld.co.uk/9/configuring-kubuntu-for-root-logons/
[16:56] <kamui> is there a way to have apps autolaunch when kdm has initialized?
[16:56] <kamui> I need to run synergy on two machines so that once X is running the client and server are both in daemon mode
[16:56] <ct529> SlimeyPete: thanks a lot! I share what he says very very much
[16:56] <kamui> I have a startup script on each pc, but apparently synergy wont run without X already being launched
[16:57] <kamui> and at login time Its already too late, as I would need a local keyboard to log in without synergy
[16:58] <ct529> SlimeyPete: thanks again! logging out now ...
[16:58] <SlimeyPete> ct529: no problem :)
[17:02] <bam_> Hi. I am having two issues with my newly installed Kubuntu.
[17:02] <mefisto__> kamui: .desktop files in ~/.kde/Autostart will launch after login. you can get a kcontrol gui to configure autostart apps by installing kcontrol-autostart
[17:03] <bam_> One is that when every I install something in synaptic it just hangs at "ldconfig....something" after the installations has been completed.
[17:03] <bam_> And the second is that I cant for the life of me get "Fish://" to work.
[17:04] <bam_> I have a laptop and a desktop which I used to use fish one back when I had kde 3. Now it doesnt wotk.
[17:04] <bam_> *work
[17:04] <DexterF> on upgrade those packages are held back: amarok amarok-xine googleearth mplayer. how do I check why?
[17:04] <JoshOvki> DexterF: might have them open, do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:04] <JoshOvki> should sort that out
[17:05] <mistiipu_>  i followed http://www.ubuntugeek.com/sharing-internet-connection-in-ubuntu.html and its working. but only when firestarter is disabled. why so and how can i share internet while firestater is running ?
[17:06] <bam_> Any one have any ideas?
[17:07] <crash__> I have a 10" peanut butter cookie for the person who can succesfully assist me in doing something with this .patch file for the b43 wireless driver
[17:07] <mefisto__> bam_: the ldconfig message is normal and takes a while to finish sometimes. does it hang forever? maybe try to sudo apt-get install in konsole and see if it's any faster
[17:07] <jabba> i have an external drive mounted on usb, how do i see where it is? it doesn't seem to show up in dmesg
[17:08] <bam_> it does hang forever and when I do apt-get it finishes without any problems.
[17:08] <bam_> It just happens in Synaptic.
[17:08] <DexterF> mistiipu_: ah, you were right
[17:09] <eagles0513875> has anyone one else tried amarok2
[17:09] <martijn81> eagles0513875: i did
[17:09] <martijn81> it worked
[17:09] <eagles0513875> i am not getting audio
[17:09] <eagles0513875> im trying to listen to a stream but its not making any sound
[17:09] <martijn81> eagles0513875: but you can install it aside from amarok1
[17:10] <eagles0513875> ya
[17:10] <eagles0513875> i know and i have
[17:10] <martijn81> hmmm,  weird i just have sound
[17:10] <eagles0513875> u have both amarok 1.4 and 2
[17:10] <martijn81> maybe it is best to ask this in the #amarok channel
[17:10] <eagles0513875> and im on an updated version of the release candidate of kubuntu hardy x64
[17:10] <mefisto__> is amarok2 in repos?
[17:11] <martijn81> eagles0513875: i am too
[17:11] <martijn81> mefisto__: no there is a special repository for amarok2, see kubuntu.org
[17:12] <eagles0513875> mefisto__: its still alpha and u have to have kde4 installed
[17:12] <eagles0513875> to run it on kde3
[17:12] <tuanpham> hi all
[17:12] <martijn81> hi
[17:13] <tuanpham> do you know that, which program i can use to burn cd in kubuntu ?
[17:13] <tuanpham> which is the beast please !
[17:13] <eagles0513875> !k3b | tuanpham
[17:13] <eagles0513875> i use k3b
[17:13] <martijn81> tuanpham: we have k3B for that
[17:13] <tuanpham> thank eagles0513875
[17:13] <martijn81> yup
[17:13] <eagles0513875> no prob
[17:13] <eagles0513875> martijn81: do u have kde4 installed
[17:13] <eagles0513875> to be able to run amarok 2 on kde3
[17:14] <martijn81> eagles0513875: yup, i downloaded the kde4 version of kubuntu hardy
[17:14] <martijn81> so i miss a lot of kde3 packages
[17:14] <ct529> SlimeyPete: thanks it works
[17:14] <Mimi> Hello, is there a way I can automount my ntfs usb drive  so that  I dont have to, everytime i want  to listen to my music? >.>
[17:14] <eagles0513875> martijn81: i didnt cuz kde4 still lacks huge amnts of functionality
[17:15] <eagles0513875> like deleting stuff of desktop
[17:15] <crash__> b43 driver patches? anyone?
[17:16] <tuanpham> and do you know somes are like norton ghost ?
[17:16] <dwidmann> But some of the apps are > their kde3 counterparts, so no reason not to use apps that fall into that category ... such as konqueror (yes and no), dolphin (yes), kget, many of the games, and so on and so forth :)
[17:16] <eagles0513875> crash__: if u do dmesg it tells u a link to where to get the firmware
[17:16] <tuanpham> i want to restore my image file (maked form norton ghost 11)
[17:16] <eagles0513875> martijn81: how do u change certain sound settings
[17:16] <tuanpham> do you know any ?
[17:16] <tuanpham> hi tung
[17:17] <tung> hi
[17:17] <tuanpham> viet nam ?
[17:17] <athlon1> kbuntu 8.04. The first time i access media devices, i'm asked for password. how can i disable it?
[17:17] <tung> yeah
[17:17] <Mimi> /
[17:17] <Mimi> "
[17:17] <Mimi> oops
[17:17] <crash__> eagles0513875: what do I need with the firmware?
[17:18] <tuanpham> some one can help me ?
[17:18] <eagles0513875> crash__: i have a bcm4306 and the firmware that comes with hardy doesnt seem to work
[17:18] <tuanpham> ghost program :(
[17:19] <dwidmann> tuanpham: I'm not familiar with norton ghost (I know the name and that's all), but you migh be able to restore the image by dd'ing it to the partition, I don't know if that will work though.
[17:19] <rambo3> what should be permission of .kde ?
[17:19] <Mimi> on your home folder?
[17:20] <dwidmann> rambo3: at the very least the 'u' part of the permission needs to be rwx, the others don't matter
[17:20] <rambo3> yes
[17:20] <crash__> eagles0513875: Ah I see. Miscommunication. The card works for standard use. Im trying to add some specific functionality, and I dont know what to do with this .patch file
[17:20] <tuanpham> thank dwidmann
[17:20] <tuanpham> i think it imporsible
[17:20] <Mimi> rambo3:     owner (you)  all permissions for you, none for others
[17:21] <dwidmann> tuanpham: and files need to be 'rw', the 'x' isn't required for the files, only for the folders
[17:21] <rambo3> thats 700
[17:21] <Mimi> rambo3:   i think     drwx------
[17:21] <yoce> hello
[17:21] <tuanpham> :) i have noproblem with rw file
[17:22] <eagles0513875> crash__: sry dude im no help
[17:22] <eagles0513875> crash__: im sure someone in here will be able to assist u
[17:22] <dwidmann> :s sorry tuanpham, meant rambo3 ... but yeah, 700 is fine for folders rambo3, and 600 is fine for files
[17:22] <crash__> No cookie for you then. :)
[17:22] <rambo3> hmm .kde is owned by root
[17:22] <rambo3> i know i am right
[17:22] <dwidmann> crash__: but but but ... COOKIES!!!
[17:22] <athlon1> Please, can anyone tellme  how? kbuntu 8.04. The first time i access media devices, i'm asked for password. how can i disable it?
[17:22] <martijn81> eagles0513875: sorry i was out for coffee, but i have no idea, i guess i just live on the bleeding edge
[17:22] <crash__> Its all good. Ive found that dwidmann and stdin are the uber guru's to ask. I shall await one of them.
[17:23] <rambo3> i use sudo generator .
[17:23] <rambo3> http://www.meine-erste-homepage.com/chmod-generator.php
[17:23] <eagles0513875> what is up with all kubuntu server
[17:24] <dwidmann> crash__: usually patches are applied with the diff or patch commands ... I'd need to look it up to be honest.
[17:24] <eagles0513875> ol i dont mind testing this is my test and dev laptop but right now its nnot lol need a functioning machine to run java and netbeans so i can practice for my exam martijn81 my vista laptop is on the fritz
[17:24] <dwidmann> crash__: this is where I would look though, and it seems there are some solid results: .html - 33k - Cached - Similar pages
[17:25] <dwidmann> crud
[17:25] <eagles0513875> ?
[17:25] <dwidmann> http://www.google.com/search?q=diff+patch+linux&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 @ crash__
[17:25] <eagles0513875> u ok dwidmann
[17:25] <dwidmann> No, I'm not okay, I'm CRAZY.
[17:25] <eagles0513875> whats wrong
[17:25] <tuanpham> :D
[17:25] <tung> @tuanpham:what is the problem with your ghost image?
[17:25] <tuanpham> i have an image maked by norton ghost 11
[17:26] <tuanpham> i want to use kubuntu for retoring this image
[17:26] <tuanpham> i don't know any soft to use it
[17:26] <martijn81> tuanpham: that is probably because there is none
[17:26] <tuanpham> what's wrong with you dwidmann ?
[17:27] <dwidmann> tuanpham: like I said, I'm crazy :P
[17:27] <tung> as far as I know you can use a boot cd to restore the image
[17:27] <tuanpham> but why
[17:27] <dwidmann> I've no idea.
[17:27] <dwidmann> lack of sleep?
[17:27] <tuanpham> i know that you are very kind here
[17:27] <tuanpham> help every alot
[17:28] <athlon1> tuanpham, if you like, you can restore it into a virtual machine. Is that what you want? In that way, you can use both operating systems at the same time....
[17:28] <tuanpham> ah
[17:28] <tuanpham> my virtual box can't rung :(
[17:28] <dwidmann> tuanpham: you probably need to use norton to restore that image though ... but in the future you could use something like partimage in place of norton ghost
[17:29] <athlon1> You can restore it with VMWare. Norton Ghost (i've tested with ghosh 12) can convert it to VMWAre machine.
[17:29] <athlon1> VMWare server if free.
[17:29] <mefisto__> tuanpham: http://dailycupoftech.com/2008/05/06/free-or-open-source-imaging-solutions/ is a list of disk cloning software, partimage and others
[17:29] <athlon1> VMWare server is free.
[17:29] <tuanpham> i got error 1908 :(
[17:30] <tuanpham> thank mefisto__
[17:30] <tuanpham> i am trying
[17:30] <rambo3> whats a good launcher like awant are there
[17:31] <dwidmann> tuanpham: keep in mind for the future that these things are rough equivalents of norton ghost available freely for *nix --- partimage, g4u, and mondo
[17:32] <tuanpham> athlon1: what do you mean ?
[17:33] <athlon1> That it's possible to run one machine inside another (virtualization). i'm running some windows machine inside my Kubuntu. I made an image with ghost9 and restored them with ghost 12.
[17:34] <tuanpham> i know the virtualization
[17:34] <tuanpham> but mean free with vmware
[17:34] <tuanpham> can we setup vmware wrokstation on kubuntu ?
[17:35] <dwidmann> tuanpham: yes, but it'll cost you $200 or so
[17:35] <tuanpham> i only knew the virtual box
[17:35] <dwidmann> IIRC
[17:35] <tuanpham> :P
[17:35] <dwidmann> tuanpham: vmware-server is fre, though.
[17:35] <athlon1> You cand download VMWare Server from the web page. In ubuntu 8.04 is a bit more difficult to install, but follow this stpes and it will work.
[17:35] <tuanpham> i don't know what vmware - server does ?
[17:35] <dwidmann> tuanpham: same thing, different feature set, I think
[17:36] <tuanpham> dwidmann: can it make a virtual machiner  ?
[17:36] <dwidmann> tuanpham: yes.
[17:36] <dwidmann> tuanpham: as many as you want
[17:36] <athlon1> Yes, it's possible.
[17:37] <tuanpham> thank
[17:37] <tuanpham> i will try it now
[17:37] <dwidmann> I haven't used it in about a year, but I had Kubuntu Breezy through Feisty installed in virtual machines for testing purposes
[17:37] <tuanpham> ho can i get and install it ?
[17:38] <tuanpham> could i use konsole ?
[17:38] <athlon1> Download vmware sever from www.vmware.com. And for Kubuntu, follow this steps:
[17:38] <athlon1> http://peterc.org/2008/62-how-to-install-vmware-tools-on-ubuntu-hardy-804-under-vmware-fusion.html
[17:38] <tuanpham> thanks both
[17:38] <dwidmann> athlon1: does that how-to make note of the any-any patch? It might be necessary.
[17:39] <athlon1> Sorry, forget previous link. read this one: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=fb70f1f022b23e2903f67cd6d95f8906&p=4357442#post4357442
[17:39] <tuanpham> okay
[17:41] <jco> hi, if someone tried it, how is the 64 bits version of 8.04? Does it lack much software? Does it work without major problems compared to the 32?
[17:41] <dwidmann> jco: I haven't noticed any missing software or problems whatsoever
[17:42] <athlon1> tuanpham. In one computer VMWare work with the first link i've put to you, But in another i followed sencond link.
[17:42] <jco> dwidmann: do you mean that all the software in the 32 bit repositories has been ported to 64 bits?
[17:43] <athlon1> do yo want more details?
[17:43] <dwidmann> jco: the difference in number of packages is very, very, very small, and none of them are things I use.
[17:44] <dwidmann> obscure things, proprietary things, are the only things that might require more than the usual amount of effort
[17:44] <jco> dwidmann: great, I can't almost wait the download to finish :)
[17:45] <jco> isn't there a netinstall by the way? I didn't find it...
[17:45] <rambo3>  proprietary like Qt used to be
[17:46] <rambo3> !install
[17:46] <dwidmann> I think there is, but I've never actually tried to do a netinstall :s
[17:46] <dwidmann> rambo3: ancient history
[17:47] <rambo3> i always used netinstall for debian. 9 MB .
[17:49] <jco> no there's no netinstall, at least not what I had in mind
[17:49] <genii> debbootstrap can be made to do same thing as netinstall
[17:49] <dwidmann> !install
[17:49] <dwidmann> hmmm
[17:49] <jco> but there's the "Minimal CD", I'll try that one
[17:49] <jco> sounds good
[17:50] <rambo3> is that serverinstall
[17:51] <da> testing
[17:51] <jco> rambo3: what I usually do (with another distro) is to boot a kernel, and the initrd will download the root image from the web
[17:53] <genii> jco: debbootstrap will put only a kernel and some essential files. Then you can add in some network info and install whatever you normally could from a commandline
[17:53] <genii> So kubuntu-desktop or so
[17:53] <jco> genii: and where do I download that ISO?
[17:53] <genii> jco: There's no iso
[17:54] <jco> genii: oh, I think that's why I didn't find it :)
[17:56] <Deepthought> testing
[17:57] <jco> anway, I'm already in the "minimal cd" install
[17:58] <genii> jco: You can get an idea of how to use it from this guys page: http://www.cs278.org/blog/ubuntu-configuration/feisty-debootstrap-encrypted-install/                 Although that specific tutorial is for an encrypted fs under 7.04   but the debootstrap process he uses remains the same
[17:59] <crash__> righto
[17:59] <crash__> think Im gonna go for a distro change, see if there are some better drivers out ther
[18:00] <genii> Deepthought: test results report we need to construct another computer to acquire the answer
[18:01] <stefan-f> Hello all :)
[18:01] <Deepthought> genii: I am working on that computer as we speak; decided on KDE today; there's the 4, now still looking for the 2-factor...
[18:02]  * JoshOvki yawns
[18:02] <stefan-f> since today I have problems with network settings, cause they are gone, and when I set them in system mangament
[18:03] <stefan-f> I installed only the updates today
[18:03] <stefan-f> Im switchin between manuall in firm and dhcp in hotel
[18:04] <stefan-f> can someone reproduce this?
[18:05] <jco> genii: is debbootstrap what's used to install from the live CD?
[18:05] <dwidmann> stefan-f: knetworkmanager has been pretty quirky in hardy
[18:06] <stefan-f> ahh!
[18:07] <stefan-f> also with the new kernel my sound is away and the machine doesnt halt, so I have to use an older kernel
[18:07] <stefan-f> ....
[18:08] <stefan-f> this are things Im asuming at M$
[18:11] <jco> wow, is swap really mandatory to install the system?
[18:11] <jabba> jco: why would you run without swap?
[18:12] <jco> jabba: cause I have plenty of ram and never swap, and if it has to swap, it will slow down
[18:12] <KomiaPoika> hi
[18:12] <jabba> jco: wrong
[18:12] <mistiipu> i followed http://www.ubuntugeek.com/sharing-internet-connection-in-ubuntu.html and its working. but only when firestarter is disabled. why so and how can i share internet while firestater is running ?
[18:12] <jco> jabba: I don't remember seeing something swap in some time now
[18:12] <jabba> also wrong
[18:12] <jabba> let me find the article for you
[18:12] <jabba> stby
[18:13] <KomiaPoika> i'm downloading kubuntu 804 kde4 remix. is there a way to create encrypted lvm at install?
[18:13] <dwidmann> jabba: probably for the same variety of reason that I run without swap :P
[18:13] <jco> jabba: if I'm wrong, vmstat is wrong too...
[18:13] <dwidmann> KomiaPoika: only if its the text-based install cd
[18:13] <dwidmann> KomiaPoika: live cd won't work
[18:13] <KomiaPoika> dwidmann: i am downloading kubuntu-kde4-8.04-desktop-amd64.iso from europe mirror
[18:13] <KomiaPoika> full install cd
[18:14] <jco> jabba: at work, a colleague told me that we should use twice the space of the amount of ram as swap and found me a good article about that
[18:14] <jabba> http://kerneltrap.org/node/3202
[18:14] <jabba> short story: swap is good for you.
[18:14] <jco> jabba: btw, it was dated a few years ago..
[18:14] <dwidmann> KomiaPoika: looks like that is robably the livecd ...
[18:14] <jco> jabba: your article is 2004 btw, i'm reading
[18:15] <jabba> jco: just fyi, unix is, oh, almost forty years old.
[18:15] <dwidmann> KomiaPoika: the livecd can't do lvm/raid/encrypted installs.
[18:15] <jco> jabba: yes, but Linux is not
[18:15] <jabba> jco: what is it they call linux? a, uh "unix-like operating system?" i can't remember.
[18:16] <jco> jabba: the VM has changed dramatically just in the last months
[18:16] <jabba> jco: if you must, just configure swap, and then remove it after the install.
[18:16] <KomiaPoika> dwidmann: where can i find text install cd?
[18:17] <jco> jabba: I work intensly on Solaris, and Linux is just another thing, sorry to say
[18:17] <jco> jabba: unix like is not unix
[18:17] <KomiaPoika> dwidmann: should i use alternate installcd?
[18:17] <jabba> jco: if you say so.
[18:17] <dwidmann> KomiaPoika: yes.
[18:17] <jabba> tell that to sco/ibm.
[18:18] <KomiaPoika> dwidmann: thank you.
[18:18] <jco> ...???... ok, you're right
[18:18] <francopai> where is XMMS for install in kubuntu 8?
[18:18] <stefan-f> !ksynaptics
[18:23] <mistiipu> i followed http://www.ubuntugeek.com/sharing-internet-connection-in-ubuntu.html and its working. but only when firestarter is disabled. why so and how can i share internet while firestater is running ? 2nd it was sharing internet. i rebooted all pcs. and its not sharing now. why so?
[18:25] <JoshOvki> mistiipu: why so is because firestarter is a firewall and you havnt told it to allow the connection through
[18:26] <mistiipu> JoshOvki yes. and how do i tel it?
[18:26] <KomiaPoika> !ksynaptics
[18:26] <KomiaPoika> !icanhandlethetruth
[18:26] <JoshOvki> mistiipu: do you know how to create rules?
[18:27] <mistiipu> yup.
[18:27] <mistiipu> abit with fs. the policy thing
[18:27] <dwidmann> KomiaPoika: ksynaptics (and qsynaptics also) have been replaced by touchfreeze, you can find it's source on sourceforge.net as it isn't packaged yet.
[18:27] <mistiipu> allow inbound outboound things JoshOvki ?
[18:27] <JoshOvki> mistiipu: yeh allow both to your internal ip range
[18:28] <mistiipu> JoshOvki it dont accept a * in range.
[18:28] <jco> is the linux-image-amd64 kernel only AMD or is it just a name for the 64bit kernel?
[18:29] <JoshOvki> use  192.168.0.1/24   will allow   1 - 24   etc
[18:29] <mistiipu> JoshOvki and do i have to allow both inbound and outbound. and do have to allow client ip of the server ip?
[18:29] <dwidmann> yayayayayay my parts got here :)
[18:29] <mistiipu> JoshOvki ill use 192.168.0.0/16?
[18:30] <JoshOvki> mistiipu: yes inbound and outbound because they need to send requests out and recive data
[18:30] <JoshOvki> mistiipu yeh that should do it
[18:30] <tinel> hi all, i have a big trouble with my wireless connection, after 1 or 2 hours since the activation stops working, lspci says:03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02)
[18:30] <tinel> anyone can help?
[18:31] <mistiipu> joschan my eth1 2 are 192.168.11.1   192.168.0.1  and clients 192.168.11.2 and 192.168.0.2 respectivly
[18:31] <dwidmann> tinel: you'll need to switch to the iwl3945 driver instead of the ipw3945 driver problaby. I'll dig up the thread
[18:32] <JoshOvki> mistiipu: have you also enabled the internet sharing option?
[18:32] <tinel> yes
[18:32] <mistiipu> JoshOvki no. i use http://www.ubuntugeek.com/sharing-internet-connection-in-ubuntu.html because firestater only allows one eth to share at one time
[18:32] <mistiipu> i have 2
[18:34] <mistiipu> JoshOvki so?
[18:34] <JoshOvki> mistiipu: oh i see, your computer is working as the through connection
[18:34] <dwidmann> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-595060.html | tinel
[18:34] <mistiipu> JoshOvki ya i am server. other 2 pcs share throug me. iam eth4
[18:34] <mistiipu> eth 1 2 share
[18:34] <JoshOvki> you will have to allow the clients through. if they have static ip's for added security just allow them particular ones
[18:35] <mistiipu> ok.
[18:36] <mistiipu> JoshOvki i added client ips in inbound allow policy
[18:36] <mistiipu> JoshOvki what elsei need to do?
[18:36] <JoshOvki> mistiipu: so your connection is something like this: http://www.fs-security.com/docs/pics/complexnat.png ?
[18:37] <mistiipu> joschan no. i dont have a hub/switch.   i have to interfaces. two nics . 2 pcs to share.  third one is me.
[18:37] <mistiipu> JoshOvki if i had a switch. and one interface to share. i would have dont that by firestarter built in option.
[18:37] <mistiipu> as fs allows only one at a time
[18:37] <mistiipu> JoshOvki what else i need to do?
[18:37] <JoshOvki> mistiipu: allow inbound connections too
[18:38] <dwidmann> whoa .. nice, this hdd came in a silky smooth drawstring bag o.O
[18:38] <JoshOvki> dwidmann: fancey
[18:39] <dwidmann> WD have outdone themselves
[18:39] <mistiipu> JoshOvki ok
[18:39] <mistiipu> JoshOvki anything else?
[18:39] <JoshOvki> no that "should" do it
[18:40] <mistiipu> JoshOvki oh i told you before. i added client ips in inbound allow policy
[18:40] <mistiipu> JoshOvki anything else?
[18:40] <eagles0513875> seems like kde 4.0.4 has been added to repos
[18:40] <mistiipu> eagles0513875 did you missed me?
[18:41] <JoshOvki> mistiipu: if you have allowed the clients both inbound and outbound it should work
[18:41] <dwidmann> eagles0513875: it was in there like .... the night before last
[18:41] <mistiipu> JoshOvki ok.
[18:41] <eagles0513875> really lol
[18:41] <eagles0513875> just installed kde4 to get amarok 2
[18:41] <mistiipu> eagles0513875 my case is solved. it was firestarter that was blocking sharing.
[18:42] <eagles0513875> firestart ?? care to fill me in
[18:42] <mistiipu> JoshOvki its permisive by default...(outbound)
[18:42] <JoshOvki> kk
[18:43] <JoshOvki> mistiipu: have you tryed it?
[18:44] <eagles0513875> mistiipu: firestart is ur firewall
[18:44] <mistiipu> JoshOvki its not working.
[18:44] <mistiipu> eagles0513875 yes. firestarter
[18:44] <JoshOvki> darn it
[18:44] <JoshOvki> need to setup NAT then, not sure how with firestarter
[18:44] <eagles0513875> mistiipu: well thats a my bad on my part then
[18:44] <marcel_> gd'evening
[18:45] <mistiipu> eagles0513875 not at all. you help very nice
[18:45] <eagles0513875> thanks firewall slipped my mind entierly
[18:45] <mistiipu> eagles0513875 but what can be done now. why is fs not allowing conect sharing
[18:45]  * marcel_ is downing hardy kubuntu for the 1st time
[18:45] <mistiipu> eagles0513875 me too
[18:45] <eagles0513875> mistiipu: y networksharing y not just hook ur other machine directly to ur router
[18:46] <marcel_> I always used a gnome distro
[18:46] <marcel_> like redhat, and later ofcourse ubuntu
[18:46] <mistiipu> eagles0513875 nops.  i like that way. dont want to get in mess any more
[18:46] <eagles0513875> mistiipu: it wont
[18:47] <marcel_> but now on my Delly-Latitude D810 it seems to go very fast
[18:47] <mistiipu> eagles0513875 i wana route it by my pc
[18:48] <marcel_> It'll take me atleast a monthj to get used to the gui
[18:48] <khaije1> hey uh, is it possible to run eclipse under icedtea?
[18:48] <khaije1> i don't wanna have a bunch of redundant jvm's if i don't need 'em
[18:49] <marcel_> on the other 2/4 desktops it's upgfrading from 7.04 to 8.04 i386
[18:51] <eagles0513875> is something wrong with all kubuntu servers today in regards to updated pkgs
[18:51] <eagles0513875> its uber sluggish
[18:51] <mistiipu> JoshOvki
[18:52] <JoshOvki> mistiipu: its all about NAT's in firestarter now, which i know zilch about
[18:52] <mistiipu> zilch ?
[18:53] <JoshOvki> means nothing
[18:53] <marcel_> alice??
[18:54] <marcel_> aah alice-dsl
[18:54] <jhutchins_wk> eagles0513875: Depends on the server.
[18:54] <eagles0513875> seems like they all r sluggish
[18:54] <eagles0513875> at least the ones im using
[18:54] <JoshOvki> mistiipu: it sounds like you have a very very odd setup
[18:55] <eagles0513875> jhutchins_wk: how do i find out which ones im downloading from
[18:56] <genii> jco: Sorry for lag, work required me. To answer your earlier question, no, debbootstrap is not what's used to install from the live cd
[18:56] <packjam> laater
[18:56] <jhutchins_wk> !REPOS
[18:57] <jco> genii: ok, but it's not clear to me how why you suggest debbootstrap to install a system with no OS on it instead of a netinstall CD, I'm sorry
[19:01] <eagles0513875> jhutchins_wk: it seems like all the defualt installed repos r uber slow
[19:01] <ek> Hrm. I've just noticed something very strange.
[19:02] <ek> With KNetworkManager, doing a "Manual Configuration" it doesn't pick up any of the changes.
[19:02] <ek> ... Ever.
[19:02] <eagles0513875> ?
[19:02] <ek> So, according to KNetworkManager, I am not connected to the internet at all.
[19:02] <ek> Yet, here I am. And ifconfig shows everything is properly working.
[19:02] <mistiipu> eagles0513875 JoshOvki i required  ipmasq
[19:03] <ek> In fact, if I hover over the KNetworkManager in the taskbar, it says it is still using my old DHCP address.
[19:03] <eagles0513875> ahhh gotcha
[19:03] <ek> Quite strange.
[19:03] <eagles0513875> see if a bug has been reported
[19:03] <unholyskorn> EK i had the same problem
[19:03] <unholyskorn> just upgrade to the new kubuntu
[19:03] <ek> eagles0513875: Well, I've been browsing around online for a moment to find out if anyone else had the same issue.
[19:04] <ek> unholyskorn: This is 8.04 Hardy.
[19:04] <unholyskorn> hmm...thats wierd
[19:04] <ek> unholyskorn: Indeed.
[19:04] <unholyskorn> is it the developer version?
[19:04] <ek> My AMD64 version at home works fine.
[19:04] <unholyskorn> cause thats what happened to me, i had the dev version and as soon as it was released everything stopped working
[19:04] <ek> unholyskorn: Not that I'm aware of. Although, it was actually upgraded from 7.10 Gutsy.
[19:05] <ek> Maybe a fresh install would fix it. *shrugs*
[19:05] <unholyskorn> Yeah
[19:05] <[B5C]wallabee> i like the random freezes of kde4 on my laptop ;) more time to smoke
[19:05] <jhutchins_wk> eagles0513875: Yeah, they might be hosting something else that just released or something.  Be sure to try ones that aren't local too.  It's not the miles, it's the megabytes.
[19:06] <ek> unholyskorn: But, more than anything, I would say this is a bug in KDE and not (K)Ubuntu itself.
[19:06] <ek> It doesn't really bother me all that much. It's just strange.
[19:06] <ek> If I jump back to DHCP, it'll work just fine too.
[19:06] <ek> Show all the stats and everything.
[19:06] <eagles0513875> normally im able to dl at decent speeds jhutchins_wk
[19:06] <ek> That is, if it acquires the same address I guess.
[19:06] <unholyskorn> yeah all mine was doing was when i had the dev version, as soon as the thing was released mine stopped working i dunno
[19:07] <eagles0513875> jhutchins_wk: im thinking everyone wants to test amarok2-nightly alpha
[19:07] <ek> unholyskorn: Hrm. Okay. Well, thanks for letting me know it wasn't just me. :P
[19:07] <scarygary> Evening..
[19:07] <jhutchins_wk> eagles0513875: Most of the mirrors host a LOT of projects, other distros, etc.
[19:07] <eagles0513875> ek: post a bug and unholyskorn confirm it
[19:07] <eagles0513875> jhutchins_wk: gotcha
[19:08] <unholyskorn> K, now for me...anyone know why its taking me 30 minutes to download a 5M file from adept?
[19:08] <eagles0513875> u see jhutchins_wk its not only me
[19:08] <scarygary> unholyskorn: Shitty wireless connection?
[19:09] <unholyskorn> im on 20mbps hard line cable
[19:09] <unholyskorn> and if i boot into windows and download anywhere its fine
[19:09] <eagles0513875> and im on 2mbps cable line
[19:09] <eagles0513875> unholyskorn: even through command line same issues
[19:09] <unholyskorn> it took me a cup of coffee and a shower to download konversation
[19:09] <scarygary> unholyskorn: Crappy driver?
[19:10] <unholyskorn> Nic driver? no pretty sure if the dev version of kubuntu worked fast, the release should?
[19:10] <eagles0513875> im on release client
[19:10] <eagles0513875> which has been upgraded
[19:10] <unholyskorn> im on a brand new 8.04 release hardy remix
[19:10] <scarygary> unholyskorn: Ping and traceroute the host you're downloading from then.
[19:11] <unholyskorn> just installed it
[19:11] <eagles0513875> there is a bottle neck in the system somewhere
[19:11] <unholyskorn> us.kubuntu.main or something lolz
[19:11] <eagles0513875> where do u check
[19:12] <jhutchins_wk> You guys can google "speed test" and you'll find ways to make sure it isn't your system that's slowing the download.
[19:12] <scarygary> eagles0513875: netstat?
[19:12] <unholyskorn> i'm speed testing over 20mbps down and 3mbps up
[19:12] <unholyskorn> speakeasy.net/speedtest
[19:12] <eagles0513875> i am on 2down 256up
[19:12] <ek> unholyskorn: Aren't the repos having issues still?
[19:13] <ek> unholyskorn: Change your repo sources from http: to ftp: and see if that helps.
[19:13] <unholyskorn> I don't know, thats what im asking
[19:13] <ek> Bbiab. Time to do a new install on a new server! \o/
[19:14] <scarygary> Does anyone know how to transfer files to and from a Windows Mobile device through a usb cable?
[19:15] <[B5C]wallabee> theres a prog wmhdd or just look at www.xda-developers.com
[19:15] <scarygary> wmhdd sounds about right..
[19:16] <unholyskorn> momma raised a hellraiser
[19:16] <[Relic]> best I can tell installing 8.04 64bit screwed up the MBR,  anyway to fix this?
[19:16] <jonathan__> hello!
[19:16] <jonathan__> I've a big problem :(
[19:16] <JoshOvki> !hello
[19:17] <jonathan__> i tried to activate the transparenz and shaddows under window-behaviour in kubuntu
[19:17] <[B5C]wallabee> http://wm5torage.en.softonic.com/windowsmobile sorry its called wm5storage
[19:17] <jonathan__> then i've shaddows, that works fine
[19:18] <chemist109> Relic: what are the symptoms?
[19:18] <jonathan__> but every text on the display is overlayed with black stripes and the remeaning graphic-output is very bad: windows don't disapear when closing, even text appeared out of nowhere on my display...
[19:19] <jonathan__> does anyone know how to fix this?
[19:23] <scarygary> wm5torage doesn't seem to work in Windows mobile 6.1 pro
[19:25] <eagles0513875> how does one setup their own repo with official kubuntu pkgs
[19:25] <[B5C]wallabee> it works on wm6.1 qtek9000
[19:25] <scarygary> Hmm.. Can you give me a direct link i can use in the phone?
[19:25] <scarygary> This is a HTC Polaris
[19:26] <[B5C]wallabee> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=359621
[19:28] <[B5C]wallabee> or this one wm5storage 1.8 http://handheld.softpedia.com/get/System-Utilities/Enhancements/WM5torage-8397.shtml
[19:30] <scarygary> wm5torage 1.8 didn't even install..
[19:31] <[B5C]wallabee> hm i have wm5starage 1.78 with ranjus wm6.1 rom installed and it works
[19:31] <[Relic]> chemist109: only thing I got when it would try to load was GRUB read error
[19:31] <chemist109> [Relic]: When you try to start windows?
[19:32] <[Relic]> chemist109: I don't have windows
[19:33] <chemist109> [Relic]: What is the error code you get?
[19:34] <eagles0513875> !aptfix
[19:34] <[Relic]> chemist109: all I get is "GRUB read error"
[19:35] <chemist109> [Relic]: Do you know what stage it gets to?
[19:36] <[Relic]> chemist109: it doesn't, that single line is the only thing I got, I am sure the MBR got screwed up since a few other utils I tried couldn't get a decent reading on it so I need to figure out how to repair it
[19:37] <chemist109> You might try this: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/19553
[19:37] <giacomo> !it
[19:38] <scarygary> I managed to install wm5torage now.. Probably a broken file b4.
[19:40] <[B5C]wallabee> k
[19:44] <[B5C]wallabee> anyone tried kde4 on travelmate 4002wlmi?
[19:45] <[B5C]wallabee> only black screen white screen or freezed screen after login
[19:46] <scarygary> [B5C]wallabee: It's working, but i'm getting a lot of io errors in the log.
[19:46] <scarygary> It's unbearably slow too..
[19:47] <[B5C]wallabee> on a tm 4000?
[19:47] <scarygary> tm?
[19:47] <scarygary> htc polaris
[19:47] <[B5C]wallabee> travelmate
[19:47] <scarygary> Travelmate? Nope..
[19:47] <scarygary> HP minitower
[19:48] <GuiBlanco> ASUS G1S
[19:48] <GuiBlanco> very unstable when I tried Beta 2
[19:48] <[B5C]wallabee> don't know what i should do
[19:48] <GuiBlanco> use KDE3
[19:48] <GuiBlanco> =)
[19:49] <n00b> hi :)
[19:49] <[B5C]wallabee> jep but wanted to try kde 4
[19:49] <[B5C]wallabee> ;)
[19:49] <n00b> i just installed kde4
[19:49] <GuiBlanco> [B5C]wallabee: try to put vesa as graphic card and 800x600
[19:50] <GuiBlanco> maybe you get it because of your video card
[19:50] <[B5C]wallabee> i will try it
[19:50] <weswh-> i tried to use Envy to install the nvidia driver on my system. I have a pcie 16 gforce 9600. it says it can't find a driver for the model etc...should i manually try one of them?
[19:50] <[B5C]wallabee> video card is a ati radeon 9700 mobility
[19:50] <nat2610> where can I find some mirror for the apt-tools ? right now, I m getting my pkg from us.archive.ubuntu.com but its so slow !
[19:51] <weswh-> nat2610: heh, good question...
[19:52] <GuiBlanco> [B5C]wallabee: when I tried kde4... I was unable to load the nvidia-glx-new... i had to stick with nv driver
[19:53] <GuiBlanco> it worked while the other not...
[19:53] <GuiBlanco> but the system presented me pretty unstable
[19:53] <GuiBlanco> ok.. I admit I tried the beta 2... but it was buggier than I expect
[19:53] <GuiBlanco> so I reinstalled kde3
[19:53] <mefisto__> nat2610: have you tried the "select best server" button in adept > manage repositories ?
[19:54] <scarygary> [B5C]wallabee: usbhdd worked great!
[19:54] <[B5C]wallabee> ;)
[19:55] <scarygary> I take that back. The files got corrupted.. Wtf?!
[19:55] <spykedtomato> hi everyone - does someone know the commandline form of the restricted drivers manager? My ati card is giving me crap and I can only get gui from failsafe mode so far...
[19:56] <ilembitov> Hi, all. I want to switch to Kubuntu KDE4. Will I be able to export my Evolution account to KMail? Including attachments and all letters
[19:57] <scarygary> ilembitov: Evolution runs fine in KDE.
[19:57] <Agate> hey
[19:57] <ilembitov> scarygary: I know, but I wouldn't like to keep my GNOME software under KDE for integration's sake and things like that
[19:57] <Agate> is it posible to use hotmail in kmail?
[19:57] <nat2610> mefisto__: are there an equivalent with apt-* or I have to install aptitude ?
[19:58] <mefisto__> spykedtomato: jockey-kde
[19:59] <mefisto__> nat2610: don't know. but don't you have adept installed?
[19:59] <spykedtomato> mefisto__: thanks - now I know where the problem is - something's not restistering as far as my ATI card goes - it's not listed at all in jockey :(
[19:59] <spykedtomato> *registering
[19:59] <n00b> my screen just turned completely gray :s
[19:59] <mefisto__> spykedtomato: is it supported by the proprietary driver?
[19:59] <Alumin> how can I change the applications that get called when I plug in, say, a USB key drive?
[20:00] <spykedtomato> mefisto__: radeon 9550 - should be
[20:00] <spykedtomato> afaik
[20:00] <nat2610> I can execute adept_installer  adept_manager    adept_notifier   adept_updater
[20:00] <n00b> exit
[20:00] <Alumin> y'know, like it wants to "open in file manager" aka Dolphin, "do nothing", etc
[20:00] <alberto> hi to everyone, but is somebody aware if there are any problems with hidd and hardy? I can't get my bluetooth mouse to work at all (and it worked good in gutsy with no problem)
[20:00] <nat2610> does it mean that it's installed ?
[20:00] <nat2610> mefisto__: i just find it in the menu
[20:00] <Alumin> I would like to get it to use Krusader for the file manager instead of Dolphin
[20:00] <spykedtomato> mefisto__: i had it running no problem in gutsy, but the change to hardy somehow made the driver go back to mesa :-/
[20:01] <Alumin> in fact, getting KDE to always use Krusader for its file manager would be an even better solution
[20:01] <monkeybritches> You can always uninstall Dolphin
[20:01] <mefisto__> spykedtomato: did you run it with kdesudo?
[20:02] <Agate> is hotmail suported in kmail?
[20:02] <spykedtomato> mefisto__: you mean jockey? yeah, i ran it both as sudo and user, there's nothing in the list at all - no components
[20:02] <spykedtomato> mefisto__: WARNING: modinfo for module fglrx failed: modinfo: could not open fglrx: No such device
[20:02] <Alumin> monkeybritches: that might be one way to do it...but I was hoping to be able to edit the menu, that way I could go in and add other options too if I wanted
[20:03] <mefisto__> spykedtomato: btw, it should be in kmenu > system > Hardware Drivers
[20:03] <giacomo> !it
[20:03] <spykedtomato> mefisto__: I have no kmenu - I can only get a decent gui in failsafe mode
[20:05] <spykedtomato> mefisto__: I only have konsole open - and now irc 'cause I remembered "konversation" ;)
[20:05] <venik> after I reboot. I go into the terminal mode-- no gui.  I tried sudo /etc/init.d. kdm start but I am told that kdm is already running   (8.04)
[20:05] <devin_> where is the kmail program's launch icon?
[20:06] <venik> any ideas?
[20:06] <parkin_> !virtualbox
[20:06] <devin_> I can't find it anywhere in the kde menu (and it isn't in the internet applications list thingy)
[20:06] <parkin_> im looking for a guide how to set up virtualbox in kubuntu
[20:06] <parkin_> the guides for ubuntu does not work
[20:06] <[B5C]wallabee> works now seems that my vid driver was the prob
[20:07] <giacomo> !it
[20:10] <ScorpKing> isak_: /j kubuntu-offtopic
[20:10] <isak_> wa tik ek dit in?
[20:11] <ScorpKing> isak_: /j kubuntu-offtopic
[20:11] <venik> I am told: kinit: No resume image, doing normal reboot
[20:11] <ScorpKing> isak_: click hier #kubuntu-offtopic
[20:11] <venik> how do I recover from that?
[20:12] <ScorpKing> venik: that's used in suspend or hybernate i think. ignore it
[20:12] <mefisto__> devin_: Kontact is in kmenu, or you could edit kmenu and create a kmail item
[20:12] <gangalee> what's the command line for System Tools->New Login ?
[20:12] <venik> but I have no gui....
[20:12] <venik> it is in terminal mode
[20:12] <venik> which is not why I switched to kubuntu
[20:12] <ScorpKing> venik: any other errors?
[20:13] <venik> something about UUID, and failure to get the resume image
[20:13] <isak_> SKORPKING dit werk ni
[20:14] <ScorpKing> isak_: sien jy die tabs onder in konversation net bo die status bar?
[20:14] <Armagguedes> hey
[20:14] <Armagguedes> where do i go to in order to activate nvidia's drivers?
[20:14] <Armagguedes> using kubuntu stock drivers, why do games like war§ow and sauerbraten run at <1FPS? even tux racer's fracked...
[20:14] <mefisto__> Armagguedes: kmenu > system > Hardware Drivers
[20:15] <isak_> Skorpking > ek da
[20:15] <venik> when I type: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start (after stopping it), it says: Starting K display manager: kdm.  but it lies...
[20:15] <venik> kdm never starts
[20:15] <venik> I hate it when the OS lies
[20:16] <venik> xp works just fine on this same hardware
[20:16] <mefisto__> venik: has this install worked previously?
[20:16] <[B5C]wallabee> i think i will wait for kde 4.1 final ;)
[20:17] <venik> yes-- I upgraded from 7.10, and the upgrade went fine
[20:17] <Armagguedes> mefisto__, do you reckon the games crawling is related to the drivers?
[20:17] <mefisto__> Armagguedes: quite possible, I think
[20:18] <venik> I shall try sudo aptitude upgrade, in despair
[20:18] <LaserJock> what do people use to change touchpad (synaptics) settings in KDE?
[20:18] <mefisto__> venik: it might just be that the upgrade replaced your xorg.conf
[20:19] <venik> maybe-- I have not rebooted since the upgrade
[20:19] <venik> maybe I have to (again) steal the xorg.conf from the ISO cd
[20:20] <Alumin> you can get a new config by running "X -configure"
[20:20] <Alumin> probably won't be optimized, but it should at least get you something that starts
[20:21] <pm2> I'm running Kubuntu Hardy, using kernel version 2.6.22 on an Acer laptop.  I'm having a problem where the computer will, every couple minutes, start to lag for several seconds.  Generally, I might not be able to open/save files, browse to websites, etc; but I'd still be able to switch windows, etc.  Then, after a few seconds, everything goes back to normal.
[20:21] <mefisto__> venik: if you boot in recovery mode (from grub menu) it will boot, then give you a second menu with option to fix X -- that might be an easy fix
[20:21] <venik> no, stealing the xorg from the ISO cd has worked in the past
[20:21] <pm2> I see the following in dmesg - any ideas: http://dpaste.com/48884/
[20:21] <monkeybritches> Try 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[20:22] <venik> yes, I like that one...  I shall try that
[20:22] <venik> I think you need to type: sudo dpkg --reconfigure xserver-xorg
[20:23] <ScorpKing> pm2: i have the sam problem on 7.10 but only in one user account. no idea why that's happening though
[20:23] <pm2> odd
[20:23] <[B5C]wallabee> is there a rep to upgrade to 4.1 alpha?
[20:23] <sigma_> whats the linux equivalent of the microsoft server system? that active directory thing that handles logins and logouts
[20:25] <Pici> sigma_: LDAP?
[20:26] <sigma_> Pici: yeah that sounds familiar, does it have any gui or do i have to fiddle around in command line?
[20:26] <Pici> sigma_: I'm not sure how to use it in Linux, but you can read this:
[20:26] <Pici> !ldap
[20:27] <sigma_> thanks
[20:29] <L0stadm1n> dose kubuntu run on xfree86 or x.org
[20:29] <L0stadm1n> i need to know for videocard update.  there updater said it couldnt
[20:29] <L0stadm1n> auto detect the x server ty/oe-
[20:30] <L0stadm1n> ~type
[20:30] <weswh-> x.org
[20:30] <L0stadm1n> thanks
[20:39] <Itaku_> !lamp
[20:39] <weswh-> which command shows me the available devices in my system? (trying to find out where my RAID array is showing up, so that I can mount it)
[20:42] <spykedtomato> hi again everyone - I REALLY need help with my graphics card - i have an ATI Radeon 9550 - as far as I can see everything's in order with xorg.conf but when I try to log into kde3 or kde4 I get a screen that's VERY... well almost fractal. I'm now (again) logged in failsafe mode and about to rip all my hair out - help!! :)
[20:42] <spykedtomato> oh - i'm using hardy
[20:43] <mefisto__> spykedtomato: did sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg not help?
[20:43] <adelino> good evening
[20:44] <spykedtomato> mefisto__: that always gives me problems - but I'll try it now... should i "use kernel framebuffer device interface"?
[20:44] <elliott> in gutsy, when I used sudo, all my environment variables were brought with me, so that they were available as root, but that doesn't happen anymore. Is there a way to enable it again?
[20:44] <mefisto__> spykedtomato: back up your current xorg.conf if you want it
[20:44] <elliott> in hardy, it doesn't happen
[20:45] <spykedtomato> ok
[20:45] <p_quarles> elliott, sudo -E
[20:45] <mefisto__> spykedtomato: but I think the reconfigure thing makes a backup anyway
[20:46] <spykedtomato> mefisto__: ok - i'll let you know how it goes - I'm sure to have questions about some of the questions that are asked ;)
[20:46] <mistiipu>  iam following http://www.ubuntugeek.com/sharing-internet-connection-in-ubuntu.html done for eth1 (client) eth4 dsl connection. http://pastebin.com/m4bdf9f3a i configured for eth1 and its not working itself. link is up on client. but a cross on computer connection on server.       instead eth2 is working fine.  any help please ???
[20:47] <spykedtomato> mefisto__: it only asked questions about my keyboard - is that normal?
[20:47] <adelino> i have problmen with configuration of ati pro rage 3d
[20:47] <Odd-rationale> can amarok of kaffeine play spx files?
[20:48] <mefisto__> spykedtomato: I think so, haven't used it in a while
[20:49] <spykedtomato> mefisto__: ok, i just checked out xorg.conf - there's NOTHING specific about my graphics card
[20:50] <spykedtomato> section "monitor" identifier "configured monitor" - stuff like that
[20:51] <mefisto__> spykedtomato: no Section "Device" ??
[20:52] <spykedtomato> mefisto__: yes, it just says - Identifier "configured video device"
[20:53] <weswh-> mefisto__: do you know the command that will allow me to identify which device location my RAID array is? i was thinking it was something like lspci
[20:54] <elliott> p_quarles: that pulls in for most of the, but for some reason my PYTHONPATH variable isn't bing brought in, and that's the one I need
[20:56] <spykedtomato> mefisto__: is it too early to restart? I'm getting tired of failsafe mode lol
[20:56] <mefisto__> spykedtomato: is there a 'driver' line?
[20:56] <spykedtomato> mefisto__: no
[20:56] <spykedtomato> mefisto__: just that one line in the device section
[20:57] <mistiipu>  iam following http://www.ubuntugeek.com/sharing-internet-connection-in-ubuntu.html done for eth1 (client) eth4 dsl connection. http://pastebin.com/m4bdf9f3a i configured for eth1 and its not working itself. link is up on client. but a cross on computer connection on server.       instead eth2 is working fine.  any help please ???
[20:58] <mefisto__> spykedtomato: I would try booting in recovery mode, then after it's booted, choose 'xfix', then reboot normally
[20:58] <kamik> hi
[21:00] <spykedtomato> mefisto__: recovery mode... isn't that the same as failsafe mode?
[21:00] <elliott> in gutsy, when I used sudo, all my environment variables were brought with me, so that they were available as root, but that doesn't happen anymore. Is there a way to enable it again in hardy? someone said to use -E with sudo, ut that only pulls in some of the variables
[21:01] <weswh-> hmm, just can't find this command
[21:02] <weswh-> not sure what to look for. searching for "list mountable devices"...but i'm not sure that's exactly what it is
[21:02] <weswh-> i just know that at the bottom of the readout it shows you all of the drives, and where they are as far as kubuntu is concerned in /dev
[21:03] <mefisto__> spykedtomato: when computer starts, before boot, the list of kernels should have something like "Ubuntu kernel 2.6.xxxx-generic (recovery mode)
[21:03] <weswh-> i'm remebering something maybe with "ax"? ps -ax...i don't know.
[21:04] <GuiBlanco> zubin: you there?
[21:07] <Itaku_> i need help with lamp i went through the whole page but doesnt work
[21:07] <GuiBlanco> Itaku_: what's your issue?
[21:08] <Itaku_> it just doesnt work
[21:08] <jonathan__> hello!
[21:08] <jonathan__> does anyone of you know a good alternative to kopete?
[21:08] <Itaku_> i go to a php site on the host
[21:08] <Itaku_> and it asks to download
[21:08] <jonathan__> maybe miranda?
[21:08] <GuiBlanco> Itaku: which packages have you installed?
[21:08] <weswh-> jonathan__: that's IM right?
[21:09] <Itaku> all the ones it told me to on the doc of LAMP
[21:09] <GuiBlanco> jonathan__: gaim
[21:09] <mefisto__> weswh-: ls /dev/sd*   does that give you what you want? or you need some detail?
[21:09] <GuiBlanco> Itaku: which doc... can you provide me the URL?
[21:09] <Itaku> mysql-server libapache2-mod-auth-mysql php5-mysql php5
[21:09] <Itaku> i installed those
[21:09] <Itaku> oh and apache2
[21:10] <weswh-> jonathan__: Pidgin (to my knowledge gaim became pidgin possibly over trademark etc.)
[21:10] <weswh-> but, good stuff.
[21:10] <ScorpKing> Itaku: do you go to http://127.0.0.1/ ?
[21:10] <weswh-> mefisto__: ahh....ls, not ps...
[21:10] <Itaku> it asks to download install.php
[21:10] <jonathan__> yes
[21:10] <jonathan__> ok i will try it!
[21:10] <Itaku> wait
[21:10] <Itaku> i was going from http://68.40.191.27/ not http://127.0.0.1/
[21:11] <Itaku> works on 127.0.0.1
[21:11] <mistiipu> how to limit bandwith for an ip or eth interface by tc comand?
[21:11] <jonathan__> hm in the repros there are gaim AND pidgin...
[21:11] <weswh-> hmm, wait...nah that isn't what i was going for
[21:11] <jonathan__> which is the better one?
[21:11] <GuiBlanco> Itaku: if it works in your localhost
[21:11] <ScorpKing> Itaku: :) the problem is the ip then
[21:11] <GuiBlanco> then that's a config issue
[21:11] <GuiBlanco> not lamp issue
[21:11] <weswh-> this will say "Seagate SG3207200 - dev/sda1" etc..very verbose
[21:12] <GuiBlanco> if your're under a router... adjust the port 80 to your local ip
[21:12] <weswh-> (and this is an ata100 array...so it would read as hd, right?)
[21:12] <jonathan__> you can't access your files on your pc via your ip-adress, only over localhost or 127.0.0.1
[21:12] <jonathan__> but others usually can access the files via the ip-adress
[21:12] <jonathan__> thats a problem many people have
[21:12] <Eternal_Witness> Bonjour à tous !
[21:13] <crash__> ok. Im being told that the software problems Im having can be  fixed by upgradng my kernel to .25 or .26
[21:13] <GuiBlanco> jonathan__: gaim is the Gnome version of Kopete... afaik it has almost the same features
[21:13] <crash__> How does one accomplish duch?
[21:13] <crash__> such
[21:14] <jonathan__> ok thank you
[21:14] <crash__> !kernel
[21:15] <GuiBlanco> btw, for video libs mantainers... I still have an issue with dvd playback in my os
[21:19] <Mimi> Hello does anyone know how to make a NTfS USB  drive mount at BOOT time?
[21:19] <jimmy51vinsky> !fstab | Mimi
[21:20] <Mimi> YES I know.
[21:20] <Mimi> But it doesn't work. Im wondering if theres a specific way
[21:20] <PhilRod> Mimi: what do you currently have in your fstab?
[21:21] <Mimi> #UUID=55D123D9E79ABF54 /media/USB\040Drive ntfs-3g defaults,force,users 0 0  (followed the guide at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=461042
[21:23] <crash__> does apt-get and adept package manager both use the same sources.list ?
[21:23] <Mimi> Ofcourse
[21:24] <PhilRod> Mimi: doesn't the # comment out the line?
[21:24] <mefisto__> weswh-: sudo fdisk -l  -- is that it?
[21:25] <Mimi> yes Philip5         i have it commented out currently because it didnt work
[21:25] <weswh-> mefisto__: ha, was just coming back into the channel to tell you that :)
[21:25] <weswh-> finally found it on a 'how to install second hard drive' thing
[21:25] <Itaku> wow i found a bug with apt-get...
[21:26] <mistiipu> how to limit bandwith for an ip or eth interface by tc comand?
[21:26] <mistiipu> isnt there a a simple one comand for an ip to limt a bandwidth? please. give me a solution to limit band. i cant do a simple task .. i hope there would be a easy app. a gui i dont have to read many pages for just one command
[21:26] <mistiipu>  a mere comand for limiting band
[21:26] <jonathan__> where can i find the history in pidgin
[21:26] <jonathan__> ??
[21:26] <jonathan__> i mean in which folder?
[21:26] <Mimi> in the anceint fossils of big daddy pidin
[21:27] <weswh-> it's hidden away so that SO's don't gain access to incriminating chat
[21:27] <Mimi> SO ?
[21:27] <weswh-> heh, significant other
[21:27] <weswh-> that was to jonathan__, sorry
[21:28] <Mimi> lol.... *rolf* my bf woudlnt even be able to LOGIN, let alone find find any hidden folder
[21:28] <weswh-> oh..you got that. heh
[21:28] <weswh-> can't login to kubuntu? let's talk about upgrading to a more relevant bf ;)
[21:29] <Mimi> But I like that it hides stuff I dont want my daddy and mommy to see... if only they knew im seeing this older guy ive been sending pics too.. oh bunny
[21:29] <weswh-> lol
[21:29] <Mimi> pfft my bf is the awesome
[21:29] <mefisto__> Mimi: sudo apt-get install bf-upgrade
[21:29] <mefisto__> :)
[21:30] <PhilRod> Mimi: random ideas to diagnose the problem: replace the UUID with the /dev/disk form - does it work then (that tells you whether the problem is with the UUID)? Try "sudo mount -a". Does the disk get mounted?
[21:30] <PhilRod> actually, try those in the other order
[21:30] <crash__> KERNEL PANIC: bf-upgrade has insufficient funds to continue.
[21:30] <Mimi> but i <3 my bffffff    .... sudo apt-get install bf-come-home
[21:30] <PhilRod> and check that "mount -a" doesn't do something you don't want it to
[21:31] <Mimi> PhilRod,   /dev/sdb1   no it does not  (it does if i mount manually but not  at boot time)
[21:31] <mefisto__> that's good crash__
[21:31] <Mimi> PhilRod,  mount -a gives  no errors and mounts  the drive correctly
[21:31] <weswh-> girl i dated for 3 years...EVERY major fight we had it seems was related to my dumbass either leaving an IM window up, or whatever. at the time i was using a mac mini as my desktop, had started playing with Adium or some other IM thing, didn't realize logs were on by default...what i really hadn't considered, is that all of the logs were indexed by 'Spotlight'
[21:32] <Mimi> PhilRod,    the drive mounts perfect but not at boot time, i need it at boot time
[21:32] <weswh-> so, with very minimal system knowledge...she saw some things she wasn't supposed to see :) of course, i had to accept that if you're not living on the up, you're not living right
[21:32] <Mimi> thats ok girlfriends suck anyway
[21:32] <Mimi> and not in a good way
[21:33] <Mimi> theyre too jealous. she seees you kissing someone, and BAM she gets mad at you.. wtf
[21:33] <crash__> so. kernel upgrade to .25 or .26  anyone?
[21:34] <weswh-> which kernel is 8.04 on?
[21:35] <stdin> 2.6.24-16-generic
[21:36] <moonlit> hi there all.. im new on kubuntu and i have a terribly slow connection.. so i try to instal wifi but if i have a 64bit version of 8.04 do i need to download drivers for 64bit xp? thx for answers
[21:36] <anders__> what happened to libdvdcss?
[21:36] <ixnayonthehombre> i'm trying to install kino on ubuntu but when i do apt-get in a terminal it just tells me could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource termporarily unavailable) unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it... i dont know how to check if another process is using it or how to quit that process
[21:36] <anders__> i cant seem to install it :(
[21:37] <iruel> #crack
[21:37] <mistiipu>  how to simply limit 192.168.0.3 to 15kb/s ?
 or how to simply limit eth2 to 15kb/s ?
[21:40] <ixnayonthehombre> can no one help me?
[21:41] <tommy> maybe
[21:41] <moonlit> same question :)
[21:42] <nevermore> ixnayonthehombre: have you got some other packaging application running? e.g. adept?
[21:43] <ixnayonthehombre>  i dont think so... but i cant remember where to check my processes at
[21:44] <nevermore> type ps ax | grep adept
[21:44] <nevermore> or grep apt-get
[21:45] <nevermore> (not "or", do both ;) )
[21:45] <stdin> !aptfix
[21:45] <stdin> ^ or do the easy way ^
[21:47] <crash__> stdin! Just the man I've been waiting to see :)
[21:47] <ixnayonthehombre> ty ubottu
[21:47] <stdin> oh?
[21:48] <crash__> indeed :)
[21:48] <crash__> How would one go about upgrading to the .25 or .26 kernel?
[21:48] <stdin> by downloading it from kernel.org and compiling it
[21:49] <crash__> Nothing in the kubuntu repository then?
[21:49] <stdin> once we release, we don't bump the kernel version. the only updates to the kernel are security updates
[21:50] <ixnayonthehombre> ubottu... when i did that now i cant open adept at all
[21:50] <stdin> and odd number releases of the kernel tend to be buggier then even ones
[21:50] <stdin> ixnayonthehombre: ubottu is a bot, it won't answer ;) what's the problem?
[21:51] <crash__> to kernel.org then!
[21:51] <ixnayonthehombre> lol
[21:51] <demonite> onetimei made the kubuntu progress bar half the size
[21:51] <ixnayonthehombre> when i did what it told me to do fixing my crashed process now i cant open adept
[21:52] <demonite> if you wanted to make your own linux version, would you just re wire an older version?
[21:52] <weswh-> what's a bitchin terminal that will let me do sweet translucency etc?
[21:53] <demonite> i have no clue
[21:53] <stdin> ixnayonthehombre: what happens when you try?
[21:54] <ixnayonthehombre> adept tries to open... but a few seconds later it just quits it automatically
[21:54] <stdin> konsole in kde4 does translucency, or you can make an entire window translucent with compiz
[21:54] <mistiipu> what wil this do        tc qdisc add dev eth0 root tbf rate 15kbit buffer 1600 limit 3000   ?
[21:54] <weswh-> 3.5.9 here
[21:54] <demonite> the progress bar length was in an rd file
[21:55] <stdin> ixnayonthehombre: open konsole and put in "kdesu adept_manager", then see if it prints anything
[21:55] <stdin> ixnayonthehombre: you can ignore the pty warning though
[21:55] <ixnayonthehombre> lol k
[21:56] <crash__> stdin: I realize that at this point, any help you give me in totally unsupported. But I appreciate it anyway.
[21:56] <crash__> linux-2.6.25.2.tar.bz2  is downloaded. What next?
[21:56] <stdin> !kernel
[21:56] <crash__> that page scares me :)
[21:57] <crash__> off to re-read!
[21:57] <stdin> crash__: there's a guide there to compile one, poke me if you get stuck
[21:57] <ixnayonthehombre> stdin it says a bunch of "faile to open device" then it opened adept
[21:57] <stdin> heh, I love it when thing only work when you are trying to figure out why they're not working
[21:57] <ixnayonthehombre> stdin but whenever i tried to install a package it says it has a problem commiting the changes
[21:58] <stdin> got an exact error message for me? :)
[21:59] <ixnayonthehombre> stdin there was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages
[21:59] <ixnayonthehombre> stdin thathappened with 2 different packages
[22:00] <stdin> ok, it may not be adept but apt or dpkg. close adept and back in konsole type "sudo apt-get -f install" and tell me what that says if anything
[22:00] <mefisto__> my vote is a problem downloading
[22:01] <ixnayonthehombre> it says sun-java6--bin sun-java6-jre will be installed and upgraded
[22:01] <ixnayonthehombre> stdin and asking me to continue... i'm assuming to say yes lol
[22:02] <stdin> yep, that's what was apparently causing you trouble
[22:02] <weswh-> does Kubuntu use the "ACHI" SATA driver by default? (or some variant of that kind of thing?) not really sure what I am talking about here...I'm assuming yes. being hassled by a windows friend
[22:04] <ixnayonthehombre> stdin errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/sun-java6-bin_6-00-2ubuntu2_i386.deb and /var/cache/apt/archives/sun-java6-jre_6-00-2ubuntu2_all.deb and sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[22:04] <crash__> ...
[22:04] <stdin> weswh-: if your friend means libata, then every kernel since 2.6.20 has used
[22:04] <crash__> think Im just gonna end up switching back to windows
[22:04] <stdin> ixnayonthehombre: post the whole log to the pastebin
[22:04] <stdin> !paste
[22:05] <ixnayonthehombre> noob question (lol) how do i do that (i only know some of the basics of linux still learning)
[22:05] <mistiipu> i did           sudo tc qdisc add dev eth1 root tbf rate 12kbit buffer 1600 limit 3000        is it 12kb/s or 12 kbps   (it seems 12kbps on a trafic knemo chart) ?
[22:06] <stdin> ixnayonthehombre: select all the text, right click -> copy, then go to http://paste.ubuntu.com paste in there click "Paste!" then post the URL back, easy
[22:06] <ixnayonthehombre> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11017/
[22:07] <stdin> mistiipu: looking at the command "12kbit" would mean 12,000 bits
[22:07] <stdin> ixnayonthehombre: ok, try "sudo fuser -vik /var/cache/debconf/config.dat", then "sudo apt-get -f install" again
[22:09] <Hraefn> hello all..having an issue with Amarok
[22:09] <Hraefn> cannot talk to klauncher
[22:10] <Hraefn> using Ubuntu Studio 8.04
[22:10] <Hraefn> any suggestions/help?
[22:10] <ixnayonthehombre> stdin ok it just removed sun-java6-bin and sun-java6-jre
[22:11] <stdin> ixnayonthehombre: if "sudo apt-get -f install" doesn't do anything, then it should be fixed now
[22:11] <ixnayonthehombre> stdin kk
[22:11] <JoshOvki> yo stdin
[22:12] <stdin> \o
[22:12] <ixnayonthehombre> stdin: ty everything's goin good now
[22:13] <JoshOvki> stdin: not sure if you remember but a few days ago you  told me about guidence-power-manager  and got me to write a file. either way the file was causing startup problems when logging into kde4 so i removed it
[22:13]  * Hraefn takes a number and gets in the queue
[22:14]  * tekteen calls number 23
[22:14]  * Hraefn checks his ticket...14578
[22:14] <Hraefn> ...
[22:14] <tekteen> lol
[22:14] <JoshOvki> tekteen: what happens when you try it?
[22:15]  * tekteen hides in a corner
[22:15]  * tekteen did not ask a question
[22:15] <Hraefn> so any amarok gurus in here today?
[22:15] <JoshOvki> no, your right
[22:15] <crash__> gr
[22:15] <stdin> JoshOvki: I suppose you could just do "ln -s /usr/bin/guidance-power-manager ~/.kde4/Autostart/power-manager" and it should work
[22:15] <crash__> stupid ubottu
[22:15] <crash__> gives me information on EVERYTHING except what I want to actually DO
[22:15] <JoshOvki> stdin: its ok, i will leave it for now, just load it up when im going to battery :)
[22:15]  * crash__ stabs the bot
[22:16] <JoshOvki> tekteen, i ment Hraefn but i cant read
[22:16] <Hraefn> hehe
[22:16] <stdin> joschan: that's what I do too ;)
[22:16] <tekteen> crash__: the bot was alive?!
[22:16] <JoshOvki> Hraefn: what happens any errors?
[22:16] <Hraefn> right, apparently when i start up amarok, i get "cannot talk to klauncher"
[22:16] <JoshOvki> who do i keep getting called joschan?!
[22:16] <tekteen> JoshOvki: np, I don't care :-)
[22:16] <Hraefn> and everytime I try to change a setting, I get that
[22:16] <Hraefn> and sometimes, I get a DCOP warning
[22:17] <crash__> tekteen: WAS being the operative term
[22:17] <stdin> JoshOvki: stupid tab completion, that's why
[22:17] <Hraefn> which research has led me to believe these are connected
[22:17] <JoshOvki> ah i see
[22:17] <stdin> JoshOvki: and a small dash of laziness
[22:17] <Hraefn> I'm running Ubuntu Studio 8.04, but I have the latest amarok from the Ubuntu repositories
[22:17] <Hraefn> ...
[22:17] <JoshOvki> lol
[22:17] <Hraefn> which may or may not mean a damn thing
[22:17] <JoshOvki> Hraefn: kde4 or 3?
[22:17] <Hraefn> try Ubuntu straight up
[22:18] <Hraefn> kinda
[22:18] <JoshOvki> with gnome?
[22:18] <Hraefn> yes
[22:18] <Hraefn> thx
[22:18] <Hraefn> I knew there was a clarifier there
[22:18] <Hraefn> It's been running just fine for ages
[22:18] <Hraefn> and now I get this
[22:18] <JoshOvki> ok, so your using klaunch in gnome?
[22:18] <Hraefn> no
[22:18] <Hraefn> I'm using Amarok
[22:19] <Hraefn> which apparently needs klauncher
[22:19] <Hraefn> for some reason
[22:19] <JoshOvki> ok
[22:19] <Hraefn> maybe to get my podcasts and last.fm submissions?
[22:19] <JoshOvki> cause Amarok is dirrectly linked 2 kde (if im not mistaken)
[22:19] <Hraefn> well, perhaps
[22:19] <Hraefn> but you can install it (and it's dependent pkgs) in gnome
[22:19] <mefisto__> it should work in gnome too though
[22:19] <Hraefn> yup
[22:19] <Hraefn> has been since i switched to ubuntu in 2006
[22:20] <Hraefn> nary a problem
[22:20] <Hraefn> till now
[22:20] <Jes___Wy__> will someone sell me a crusty van?
[22:20] <JoshOvki> Hraefn: see if anyone s about in #amarok
[22:20] <Hraefn> I've been there...
[22:20] <Hraefn> they sent me here...
[22:20] <JoshOvki> lol
[22:20] <JoshOvki> passed about
[22:20] <Hraefn> I posted a question on launchpad...maybe I'll just have to go to songbird
[22:20] <JoshOvki> tryed installing klaunch?
[22:20] <Hraefn> yup
[22:20] <K`zan_emc> Hi folks, I have the 6.06 ubuntu (need that version), what do I need to install KDE, I am not at all happy with gnome :-)?  TIA
[22:21] <JoshOvki> reinstalled amarok?
[22:21] <Jes___Wy__> is this the discount bus depot?
[22:21] <Hraefn> I've tried both of those things
[22:21] <GuiBlanco> How do I fix my keyboard layout. When I try to type a with accent, it displays: 'a. I want to display this char: á
[22:21] <Jes___Wy__> panel trucks r us?
[22:21] <Jes___Wy__> isnt this the mc food world forum?
[22:22] <Hraefn> anyway...thanks...I'm going to bed tonight, and will deal with this beast tomorrow.
[22:22] <Hraefn> ...
[22:22] <JoshOvki> Hraefn: sorry i wasnt much help
[22:22] <K`zan_emc> Need to run, if someone could just let me know what I need to install over gnome to get KDE, please just add my nic to the front of the response, I have to run.  Thanks VERY much.
[22:22] <Hraefn> nah, it's okay
[22:22] <Hraefn> :)
[22:22] <Hraefn> cheers, mate
[22:23] <GuiBlanco> How do I fix my keyboard layout? When I try to type a with accent: á, it always displays: 'a. Is there a way to fix it? How? Help needed!
[22:23] <stdin> K`zan_emc: kubuntu-desktop
[22:26] <crash__> Can someone explain to me why there isnt a single frapping piece of documentation that isn't 2 years out of date and requires a mathmatics degree to understand?
[22:27] <v6lur> GuiBlanco: do you have skim and/or scim installed?
[22:28] <BluesKaj> crash__, if you could be more specific ?
[22:28] <GuiBlanco> v6lur: no
[22:28] <crash__> BluesKaj: ignore me. that was just my frustration talking
[22:28] <icewaterman> hi, i am using full disc encryption and gmer tells me that sector 63 shows rootkit-like behavior. might that be truecrypts fault?
[22:28] <v6lur> GuiBlanco: had a similar problem myself ("dead keys" were not at all "dead"), installing scim (or skim, don't remember) fixed it
[22:28] <GuiBlanco> v6lur: sorry... I have skim installed
[22:29] <GuiBlanco> scim is not installed
[22:29] <GuiBlanco> I' ll remove and reinstall the package
[22:29] <v6lur> try installing that and restart X (or reboot)
[22:29] <GuiBlanco> k
[22:30] <GuiBlanco> v6lur: brb... restarting X
[22:31] <jonathan__> how must i start a bash-script?
[22:31] <crash__> ./
[22:31] <crash__> ./script
[22:31] <tekteen> jonathan__:  ./SCRIPT
[22:32] <v6lur> first perhaps 'chmod +x SCRIPT'
[22:32] <guilhermeblanco> v6lur: it worked!
[22:32] <guilhermeblanco> thanks!!!
[22:33] <v6lur> :)
[22:35] <psyco> Hey I need some knowledge, not OS stuff though.
[22:36] <psyco> Can I run pc100 and pc 133 RAM at the same time??
[22:36] <jonathan__> #!/bin/bash
[22:36] <jonathan__> sudo su
[22:36] <jonathan__> cp ~/.purple/logs/icq /media/TrekStore/Logs/ICQ
[22:36] <K`zan_emc> stdin: Thank you very much Sir!  Will have it installing while I deal with the latest crises :-).  Much appreciated!
[22:36] <jonathan__> does anyone know why this script doesn't work?
[22:36] <wirechief-intel> psyco they will work but not as fast as slowest ram
[22:37] <JoshOvki> jonathan__: when you sudo you will need a pw wont you?
[22:37] <mistiipu> how can i limit band on a single ip. instead of eth. in tc qdisc add dev eth0 root tbf rate 100kbit buffer 1600 limit 3000    ?
[22:37] <jonathan__> yes i thougt i will be prompted for one :D
[22:37] <jonathan__> how do i enter the password
[22:37] <jonathan__> ?
[22:38] <crash__> stdin: I think I give up. Any idea when kubuntu will have a .25/.26 kernel?
[22:38] <JoshOvki> im not sure
[22:38] <stdin> crash__: ibex
[22:38] <K`zan_emc> Hummm, there is no kubuntu-desktop according to the add/remove applications app...
[22:38] <K`zan_emc> maybe apt-get ?!?
[22:39] <stdin> K`zan_emc: look in synaptic, add/remove is not a full package manager
[22:39] <psyco> wirechief: ty
[22:39] <crash__> ibex is a wild german mountain goat
[22:39] <K`zan_emc> stdin: Thanks, will see if it is in the EMC distro.
[22:39] <mefisto__> so it will commonly be called ibex, not intrepid?
[22:39] <wirechief-intel> crash__:  im testing Linux Newsroom2 2.6.25-trunk-686 with kanotix
[22:40] <K`zan_emc> stdin: Yes, thanks, will give the machine something to do while I am gone :)!
[22:43] <JoeBlacken> hi, I'm trying to find a way to make Java plugin works for firefox-2 on a 64bit kubuntu 8.04. I tried install the restricted-extras and the icedtea packages with no luck, any help?
[22:44] <jonathan__> cp /home/jonathan/.purple/logs/icq /media/TrekStore/Logs/ICQ
[22:44] <stdin> JoeBlacken: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[22:44] <jonathan__> this command don't work too...
[22:44] <jonathan__> any ideas why?
[22:45] <marcreichelt> hi there!
[22:45] <JoshOvki> jonathan__: what happens when you run it in terminal?
[22:45] <JoshOvki> jonathan__: and is it a folder or a file
[22:45] <marcreichelt> I want to request multiple CDs in order to give them away here in university
[22:46] <crash__> Im gonna have to shelve this project until I can a) figure out how to get the new kernel, or b) find some other sucker to deal with it. Thanks for the help guys.
[22:46] <JoeBlacken> stdin, I installed the ia32* but I don't want to install the 32 bit version, flash is already working ok on the 64 bit version of firefox. Is there another way?
[22:47] <stdin> JoeBlacken: I don't know, I run 32bit
[22:47] <marcreichelt> does anybody know where I can "order" a big amount of CDs (e.g. 100) to give them away for free?
[22:48] <stdin> marcreichelt: you can send a request to shipit, there's a contact link on the site
[22:48] <jonathan__> both are folders
[22:48] <marcreichelt> thanks stdin
[22:48] <jonathan__> i want to copy the content of the specified folders
[22:48] <JoshOvki> jonathan__ then its    cp -R /home/jonathan/.purple/logs/icq /media/TrekStore/Logs/ICQ
[22:49] <JoeBlacken> stdin, thanks
[22:49] <JoshOvki> jonathan__:  -R means recursive (i think) so it will move everything inside to, without the -R its for moving files
[22:49] <jonathan__> hm now the source-folder is handled as a file
[22:50] <JoshOvki> jonathan__: delete the folder ICQ and recreate it
[22:51] <jonathan__> no i was wrong
[22:51] <jonathan__> because i kopied as root the permissions were set to the wrong level
[22:51] <jonathan__> how can i set all permission for root, users and group to read and write for the folder?
[22:53] <JoshOvki> jonathan__:  chmod 777 foldername
[22:53] <JoshOvki> sorry,   sudo chmod 777 foldername
[22:53] <mefisto__> jonathan__: cp -p  preserves permissions, ownership, etc. Is that what you are trying to do?
[22:53] <jonathan__> hm no
[22:54] <jonathan__> yes
[22:54] <jonathan__> my external drive is owned by root, but all permissions are set to, i think, 777.
[22:55] <jonathan__> the chat-history was created by me (Jonathan), so i think if i would preserve the permissions it would work, but the folder would be owned by the wrong person...
[22:55] <jonathan__> another question
[22:56] <jonathan__> how can i apply the chmod not just for one folder but for this and all the folders it's containing?
[22:56] <JoshOvki> chmod -R
[22:56] <JoshOvki> (eg  chmod -R 777 /home/josh/folder)
[22:57] <JoshOvki> would do read write excecute for everyone on /home/josh/folder   and everything inside that folder and inside them folders inside of that folder
[22:58] <jonathan__> thank you, everything worked all right! :)
[23:00] <_ZeuZ_> Is there any guide on how to append kde4 to my running system with kde3.5.9 keeping both? Installing base packages without a tutorial to back me up its not kinda my idea of doing things xD
[23:01] <Daisuke_Laptop> you just...  install it
[23:01] <jimmy51athome> i'm pretty sure if you install KDE4, KDE3 will stick around, and you choose your session type at the login prompt
[23:02] <Daisuke_Laptop> exactly.
[23:02] <tp__> is there a way to checksum recursively a directory structure?
[23:03] <_ZeuZ_> Problem is kdm themes and kdm manager is broken with hardy and some hardware, checked it in the website of the project and do not wish to compile the non-ubuntu package... that's the tick, I cant choose
[23:03] <_ZeuZ_> tp__ -R
[23:03] <tp__> I've made a copy of my /home/me and I'd like to verify it
[23:03] <tp__> can I do that for the md5sum program?
[23:04] <tristan_> bonsoir, besoin d'aide drivers nvidia merci d'avance
[23:04] <_ZeuZ_> !fr | tristan:
[23:04] <_ZeuZ_> tp__ multiple ways
[23:04] <_ZeuZ_> you could fed md5 in a for with a bash script with the output of a simple ls -r directory
[23:04] <tristan_> bonsoir, besoin d'aide drivers nvidia, merci d'avance
[23:05] <_ZeuZ_> tristan: No problem,
[23:05] <_ZeuZ_> as for nVidia, what's your problem? If you can, tell me it in english
[23:05] <tp__> ah okay, then pipe it into a file and run diff on both
[23:05] <tp__> thanks
[23:05] <_ZeuZ_> No problem, just an ida from my side, perhaps not the less time consuming option but it would do the tricj
[23:13] <ggeorgak> anybody know a channel bout pic mcus?
[23:19] <ubuntu> hola
[23:20] <ubuntu> soy cubano hay alguinen por aqui q quiera chat conmigo
[23:22] <BluesKaj> !es | ubuntu
[23:22] <BluesKaj> oops
[23:22] <BluesKaj> gone
[23:22] <_ZeuZ_> ein? :)
[23:25] <martijn_> !APTFIX
[23:25] <martijn_> sorry, irssi newbie...
[23:32] <hi> Is there a non-compressed kubuntu repo that I can rsync to for an incremental download?
[23:33] <DexterF> is there "reportbug" in kubuntu?
[23:33] <hi> the compressed ones, ironically, mean I'm using 60mb for a 100mb download, vs an incremental one where there might only be 3mb of changes to download
[23:35] <v6lur> DexterF, apport maybe?
[23:35] <ggeorgak> anybody know a channel bout pic microcontrollers?
[23:36] <hi> ggeorgak, if you find one, lmk please :)
[23:36] <Itaku> is there a program that can play music and what i say through a microphone?
[23:37] <_ZeuZ_> Itaku: Amarok, Audacious, you just have to configure it
[23:38] <hi> ggeorgak, i just guessed #pic and there's a total of one other person (aside from me) on it.
[23:38] <Itaku> _ZeuZ_: how do i configure Amarok to?
[23:39] <_ZeuZ_> you just configure kmix and link the input line to the output one (so that input sound would go to the output device)
[23:39] <hi> _ZeuZ_: have you done this before?
[23:39] <Itaku> wheres kmix?
[23:39] <hi> I couldn't get it to work when i tried
[23:39] <Itaku> nvm
[23:40] <_ZeuZ_> xD
[23:40] <_ZeuZ_> that was a reaaaaaly dumb question, mate xD
[23:40] <Itaku> wheres the kmenu?????????
[23:40] <Itaku> lol
[23:42] <LetsGo67> Anyone knows how to do mashup music?
[23:42] <jhutchins_wk> There are conditions where kmix, and for that matter kmenu, do not appear or are not available.
[23:42] <jhutchins_wk> LetsGo67: Not really a kubuntu topic.
[23:43] <hi> letsgo67: ehm, in a kubuntu channel?
[23:43] <jhutchins_wk> LetsGo67: Look for Linux Audio Mixing
[23:43] <jhutchins_wk> LetsGo67: google.
[23:43] <Itaku> _ZeuZ_: how do i make kmix send mic input to my speakers?
[23:43] <LetsGo67> Doesn't help me :(
[23:43] <jussi01> !ubuntustudio | LetsGo67
[23:43] <_ZeuZ_> Itaku, you'll find alone...
[23:44] <LetsGo67> Can you remove music instruments with Audacity?
[23:44] <Itaku> _ZeuZ_ ive tried everything
[23:44] <Itaku> it doesnt work
[23:44] <v6lur> Itaku: on my sound card (intel hda), i need to max out "front mic" for that purpose
[23:45] <Itaku> Oh holy hell i didnt have the green light on
[23:45] <hi> itaku: just to be sure, were you talking about speech recognition for say, amarok ala wmp or itunes? or just hearing yourself create feedback by listening to yourself on the mic?
[23:46] <crash__> ok. I give up. Who do I have to pay, and how much will it cost, for someone to just MAKE IT FRAPPING WORK!?!?!?
[23:46] <hi> because the latter is easy, the former has been a huge pain for me (speech recognition and even TTS are not really considered priorities for kde, gnome etc...)
[23:47] <hi> crash__: make what work?
[23:47] <crash__> hi: I dont think I actually even know anymore.
[23:47] <_ZeuZ_> Itaku: no you didnt then :D
[23:47] <Itaku> cool
[23:48] <Itaku> now to get a working microphone...
[23:48] <_ZeuZ_> crash__ what do you need to make work what?
[23:48] <_ZeuZ_> x'D
[23:48] <crash__> I just need this bcm4318 to do packet injection, so I can break the WEP,  so I can convince the boss to let me implement some real wireless security.
[23:49] <crash__> But Im sitting here having to read docs in order to understand a doc that was referenced in another doc.
[23:49] <_ZeuZ_> you have to rebuild the module, and patch it, for what you need kernel headers then install that module alone, and then it's done
[23:50] <_ZeuZ_> actually, first patch it, then recompile it and make module install
[23:50] <_ZeuZ_> I have a tutorial step by step, but it's in spanish
[23:50] <crash__> None of it makes a damn bit of sense, there doesnt seem to be any kind of actual content control for documentation, and %90 of them all seem to think that I have 10 years expierence and should know exactly what they mean by "flarp the red boonix to the kernel nugget."
[23:51] <crash__> Im actually ready to just chuck the entire frapping machine out the window
[23:51] <jussi01> !info wireshark
[23:51] <_ZeuZ_> I have a tutorial step by step, but it's in spanish <<>>>>> This is like for dumbos
[23:52] <_ZeuZ_> And also, security is a matter of technical knowledge, just get wifislax or audiator, and have it all done by default... or just download the live cd, do it, and then just keep the cd for later on ussages
[23:52] <hi> zeuz, is that at pirator?
[23:53] <_ZeuZ_> hehe, I'm a MOD at pirator.net... what's your user name there?
[23:53] <jussi01> !ot
[23:53] <_ZeuZ_> And yes, I explained how to do it from Debian, and from Wifislax there...
[23:53] <hi> none, i just poke around there every so often
[23:53] <hi> i thought you were a mod... knew i'd seen that nick before
[23:53] <_ZeuZ_> we have now got pr0n from Allreality, the whole network...
[23:54] <crash__> 2 and half days working on this.
[23:54] <crash__> Think Im just gonna go get drunk instead
[23:54] <hi> lol
[23:54] <_ZeuZ_> well, that crash__ is not a reading been
[23:54] <jussi01> ok, can we move this discussion to #kubuntu-offtopic please?
[23:55] <_ZeuZ_> I guess so :)
[23:55] <_ZeuZ_> Sorry for the disturbance...
[23:55] <hi> hm, good call jusi01.. sorry
[23:55] <fitoria> hi
[23:55] <fitoria> where can i get qtmake?
[23:55] <_ZeuZ_> just a little pirating chat xD... but if we go to that, the guy asking for package injection to break a wep key, should go to a #hacking channel instead of here...
[23:55] <_ZeuZ_> fitoria: apt-get install qtmake
[23:56] <fitoria> _ZeuZ_: I allready tried that
[23:56] <_ZeuZ_> hmm... now I remember I;m on a ubuntu channel, use sudo in front of that... or do sudo -s and assign root apassword to work as debian...
[23:56] <_ZeuZ_> fitoria: you did not find the package? Let me check
[23:57] <bdizzle> out of curiosity, does anyone know what new or updated features to expect in Ibex?
[23:57] <_ZeuZ_> bdizzle, no idea... will read the changelog in a while
[23:57] <_ZeuZ_> fitoria, install qtmake-kde4 or qtmake-kde3
[23:57] <fitoria> ok
[23:57] <_ZeuZ_> I mean
[23:57] <hi> bdizzle: you asked yesterday this same q i think.. wtf is ibex!? lol i'm curious now
[23:58] <_ZeuZ_> sudo apt-get install qtmake-qt4
[23:58] <bdizzle> Ibex is the next version of Ubuntu after Hardy
[23:58] <alex_> ciao
[23:58] <hi> aah
[23:58] <alex_> gente chi c'e
[23:58] <bdizzle> I'm hoping at least by then, OO 3.0 will be out, and KDE 4.1 will be stable
[23:58] <fitoria> _ZeuZ_: the package doesnt exist
[23:58] <hi> because it's also a mountain goat so i was confused
[23:58] <_ZeuZ_> fitoria, I corrected the package name,it's called qtmake-qt4
[23:59] <alex_> italiano?
[23:59] <fitoria> i tried that
[23:59] <fitoria> E: No se pudo encontrar el paquete qtmake-qt4
[23:59] <_ZeuZ_> jeje si hablas espa;ol entonces vamos a kubuntu-es
[23:59] <fitoria> lol
[23:59] <_ZeuZ_> no esta en los repos de kubuntu por default, creo... vasa necesitar instalar las debs aparte