[00:32] Can somebody please clear vbox-ose-modules from NEW/hardy-proposed? [00:45] can anybody think of a reason why a package would just disappear from Hardy? [00:47] LaserJock: usually that involves sabdflatory processes ;-) [00:47] or launchpad magic. [00:47] I think perhaps something went boom [00:47] I don't see a removal bug [00:48] but a decently important science app is just gone [00:48] looking at the publishing history all the Hardy uploads are "superseded" and none are "published" [00:51] btw: "hardy-proposed" is missing from http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/dists/ [00:59] LaserJock: Has it been removed from Debian. [01:00] TheMuso: I seriously doubt it, let me check [01:01] oh, actually it appears it has! [01:03] heh, why was it removed? [01:04] RoQA; (very) RC-buggy [01:05] well that's kinda crappy [01:05] somebody was clearly trying to fix it up and they go and remove it [01:07] I don't suppose there's a way for us to get it back? [01:09] LaserJock: err, it could come back in intrepid, maaaaaaaaybe in hardy-proposed given an SRU [01:10] BTW the RoQA stuff typically only happens after the maintainer has been delinquent for some time, and is a reaction to many previous occurrences when people promised to fix things up and then forgot [01:11] I guess [01:11] for some reason, removing things seems to kick people into action ... [01:11] but why not orphan it for a while first [01:11] I can see removing it from testing [01:11] as it had problems with gcc 4.3 [01:12] so instead I have users wondering where their app is [01:12] and turning to PPAs [01:12] which I guess is alright [01:15] but perhaps we should just get the PPA packages into Ubuntu and let Debian do whatever they're gonna do [01:15] cjwatson: would you just blacklist a package like that from syncing? [01:16] I guess there wouldn't be anything to sync anymore [01:16] * LaserJock shuts up for the moment :-) [01:21] LaserJock: usually we don't blacklist packages that have been removed from Debian, on the basis that if they get put back into Debian then we probably want to follow suit [01:21] the blacklist is for packages that have been removed from Debian but not for Ubuntu [01:22] yeah, makes sense [01:22] I'm sure we'll bring them back for Intrepid [01:22] I don't feel like trying an SRU for Hardy, especially when there are PPAs available for it now [01:22] LaserJock: what's the package name? [01:22] qgis [01:23] it's a very common/popular GIS gui [01:23] I've seen people who use Ubuntu soley for it [01:24] I was just reading a forum thread about people wondering where it went, that's how I found out [01:24] well, it'll come back if it gets accepted back into Debian before import freeze [01:24] or if somebody reuploads it manually to Ubuntu [01:25] I'll have to talk to the people who are running the PPA, I think they are upstream developers [01:26] maybe I can convince them to maintain it in Debian and/or Ubuntu [02:11] LaserJock: If it gets into Intrepid, it can be backported to Hardy. [02:12] ScottK: good point [03:30] StevenK: Any objections to me doing your libsdl1.2 merge? I'm preparing an SRU for it for hardy, and need to get the same fix into intrepid, so I may as well merge while I'm at it. [03:30] TheMuso: None. [03:30] StevenK: Thanks. [04:38] if anyone is good with cryptsetup and initramfs, please check out this confirmed bug exposed when upgrading to Hardy and the new kernel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/213279 [04:38] Launchpad bug 213279 in linux "cryptsetup: source device not found during boot" [Undecided,Confirmed] [05:36] Hey is anyone here involved in the Remote-Support thread on the mailing list? [05:40] I haven't noticed that any of the people significantly involved in it are regulars here (I commented once or twice). [05:43] ScottK: Ah, i got this stomach turning dread when i noticed the thread; "Ah damn they're reinventing our project" [05:44] which project is that? [05:46] https://launchpad.net/locoremotesupport/ [05:46] * Hobbsee tends to get people who give her an ssh login, and hand over root access, and say "fix it" [05:51] morning guys [05:52] morning fabbione [05:53] "ciao a tutti".upcase.l337ize.mirc_colorize [05:55] * StevenK slaps ion_ with a large trout. [05:55] If I can remember mIRC's default ... [05:55] :-) [05:56] * ScottK pan fries the trout in butter and has a late night snack. [05:58] late? [05:58] Yeah [05:59] ScottK: I was curious as to what you would make of our project, you seemed interested [06:05] doctormo: I'm mostly interested in we don't compromise security in order to 'help'. [06:06] ScottK: yea, something that has brought about grave discussion in our irc channel. One of the reasons we decided to make it elective [06:06] ScottK: oh, but why don't we give ppa access, and so put the correct versions of everything in there, and do an upgrade of critical packages, jus tto fix things? [06:07] blah. my brain's not doing thoughts in a coherant order, today [06:07] nifty idea [06:08] "download this package and it will fix everything up for you .. ;-)" [06:10] LaserJock: it's called automatix3, and won't let you turn on your computer again. [06:10] "download this package and you'll never need to worry about your data again." [06:10] It melts the machine down and encases it in rapid-set concrete? [06:12] StevenK: and drops it in a 27 foot hole and covers it with rocks and bolders?/ [06:12] doctormo: Not enough. [06:13] StevenK: It was a weird-al quote from his "Virus alert" song [06:13] Haha [06:16] "Then burn any of the clothes you wore when you were online" [06:16] hehe [06:20] Sorry if i'm being ignorant (i didn't read the mailing list thread or study the locoremotesupport project), but i'd just like to point out that it would be nice if there were an easy way for a helpee to *connect to me* so that i'd gain access to her system for a single session. She wouldn't need to have something listening to a port, and i would be the one to set up an open port etc. [06:21] ion_: that does seem more sane [06:21] ion_: yes, that is what we're working on, elective ssh support [06:22] it uses reverse ssh tunnels [06:22] Nice [06:22] Heh. That was my one contribution to the thread :) [06:23] The idea is that it would work even if your on a weird PPoE or a McDonnelds Wifi, although weather you'd want to... [06:23] RAOF: really? heh, you should have been in #ubuntu-us-ma about 2 months ago when we were talking about it [06:24] Reverse ssh seems eminently sensible. [06:26] RAOF: so far we have `ssh -o "StrictHostKeyChecking yes" -nNT -R %s:%s:%s %s@%s` === asac_ is now known as asac [07:06] good morning [07:07] morning dholbach [07:07] hiya Hobbsee === paran_ is now known as paran [07:14] heya dholbach [07:15] heya norsetto [07:18] guten morgen dholbach [07:18] heya LaserJock [07:19] w00t, 1 more week of classes baby! [07:19] now I just need to find a job and I will be good to go [07:20] * dholbach hugs nixternal [07:20] nixternal: job? what's that? [07:20] programming? [07:20] I have no clue...only job I have held the last 3 years is right here with all of you :) [07:21] though I have taken the slacker route obviously [07:21] I quit Microsoft to work with you LaserJock! [07:21] haha [07:21] for real! [07:22] people think I quit to go back to school...in all honestly it was you! [07:22] yes, my magnetic charisma stole you away from Ballmer ;-) [07:23] that and he didn't pay worth a crap [07:23] they hated us so much they gave us crappy office space and all...wouldn't even let us come near redmond [07:24] free copies of vista weren't enough for you? [07:24] oh, you test ms products and linux.....no redmond for you! [07:24] And free chairs [07:24] ajmitch: you still using that free copy aren't you :p [07:24] I've been to the Redmond campus, it's very beautiful [07:24] of course [07:24] LaserJock: I have seen the redmond campus [07:24] in 2 presentations and on google maps [07:24] laserjock: Any chairs flying around? [07:25] ion_: I was just outside waking through, never dared go inside the buildings [07:25] they would have killed you..they have people dressed up like the imperial forces just waiting to get rid of your hippy ways [07:25] I was afraid they'd catch me and make me one of their code monkeys [07:25] I didn't have the lasers I have now for just such an occasion ;-) [07:25] haha [07:26] my 2 current job offers would require me to leave the community behind...and I can't deal with that honestly...I am to addicted [07:27] plus mario lemonsquare owes me a drink [07:28] require? [07:28] ya, as in I wouldn't be allowed to work on Ubuntu [07:28] lemonsquare? [07:28] harsh [07:29] ya you superm1 :p [07:29] was that explicitly told to you? [07:29] that you'd have to leave them behind? [07:29] nixternal: that's brutal.. :( [07:29] superm1: ya [07:30] nixternal, yuck. w/ what groups/companies are these offers? [07:30] and the one, was the Red Hat job down there by you [07:30] but that was business services type stuff...marketing..they would only allow me to use what I was to support/market/manage/whatever [07:30] the other is my old MS job :p [07:30] !visternal [07:30] Oh no! The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived! He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too! [07:30] evil man. [07:30] hehe [07:30] only in your eyes! [07:31] well, maybe a few others as well [07:31] nixternal, can they really dictate what you do on free time? [07:31] my evil sense is tingling [07:31] I am hoping on a job opening with a local free software company that won't hamper anything but time [07:32] superm1: not really, but it is easy for them to use it against you when you are sucking [07:32] nixternal: then surely the solution is not to suck? [07:32] most definitely, but everyone hits those times when they aren't 100% [07:32] especially in business management === hunger_t is now known as hunger [07:33] I so wish I would just go ahead and complete my damn CS stuff and forget this business crap [07:33] * Hobbsee thought there was more to the range, rather than just '100%' or 'sucky' [07:33] anything less than 90% is sucky in my books :) [07:34] unless of course you are talking about the humidity in Chicago, then anything above 60% is sucky [07:34] Good morning [07:34] right. [07:34] morning pitti! [07:34] * Hobbsee hugs pitti [07:34] mornin' pitti [07:34] * pitti hugs Hobbsee and nixternal [07:34] nixternal, yeah well down here if you are talking about any part of the year between the end of may and end of august, it's always sucky [07:34] :) [07:34] temperature wise at least [07:34] evil nixternal making this channel noisy again! [07:34] oh no! [07:34] * jsgotangco goes back to work [07:34] haha [07:34] <\sh> nixternal, you need a new job? overseas? come to germany ;) [07:34] hi pitti [07:35] whatever jerome! you know you want to come back to Chicago [07:35] <\sh> nixternal, you can work on ubuntu full time ;) [07:35] \sh: I am on my way! [07:35] I will FedEx myself in the morning [07:35] nope i am getting an island soon :) [07:35] <\sh> nixternal, hehe... [07:35] Blue Island? [07:35] Stoney Island? [07:35] i was supposed to be in ubuntu live but i have a sched that week elsewhere sunddenly came out i had to decline the slot [07:36] <\sh> nixternal, na really, I need an add here for the sysadmin stuff, deploying ubuntu on servers, fixing packages, pushing new crack in [07:36] \sh: Your servers run Automatix? [07:36] jsgotangco: a goose island? [07:36] \sh: Hobbsee will attest...I am the best crack pusher this community has ever witnessed! [07:36] * Hobbsee beats StevenK [07:36] <\sh> nixternal, you are allowed to even fix flash ,) [07:36] nixternal: no, jdong is. [07:36] ooh, good one lucent, I forgot about the all important Goose Island [07:36] <\sh> StevenK, what is automatix? [07:36] damn, I need to start producing more crack then [07:37] \sh: Something you should continue to ignore. [07:37] which they are closing at the end of the year except for their one cruddy spot near wrigleyville [07:37] nixternal: I was going to say "312" but it doesn't make itself immediately obvious to outsiders [07:37] <\sh> StevenK, i thought the dev of autocracknix told the world that automatix died [07:38] lucent: where the heck are you at? [07:38] the name definitely rings a bell living right down the street from lucent [07:38] hehe [07:39] I'm Eric Shattow [07:39] have we met? [07:39] So what is the recommended upgrade path hardy/intrepid? Should I just remove the gcc-4.2 stuff? What about perl? [07:39] I live north of Chicago, IL [07:39] I don't know [07:39] groovy...I am out by Schaumburg [07:39] <\sh> hunger, there is no upgrade path...there is only pain...real pain...it will hurt...yay...pain is good ,-> [07:39] hunger: The currently recommended upgrade path is "don't". [07:40] Schaumburg, a nice German town with more Greek restaraunts than you could shake a stick at [07:40] \sh: haha. so reassuring.. :P [07:40] Incidentally, it's also the currently recommended debootstrap path :( [07:40] * \sh doesn't even no Schaumburg...and the story about more greek restaurants... [07:40] \sh, RAOF: I know unstable ubuntu distris. Have been using them since before breezy:-) [07:40] nixternal: do my assignment for me, kthxbye. [07:40] this thing looks woefully stupid. [07:41] haha, Hobbsee I spent all day doing a bogus Business Needs Analysis [07:41] <\sh> hunger, it's too early to upgrade...believe us [07:41] nixternal: this assignment refers to the internet consistently as the "InterNet" [07:41] I faked an interview from about 3 of you in this channel actually :p [07:41] hunger: it's still too early to upgrade yet though. the toolchain isn't even up yet (right?) [07:41] <\sh> hunger, just try latest debootsrtap from intrepid and try to create a chroot... [07:41] Yasumoto: gcc 4.3 is uploaded and a lot of packages are already build. [07:41] Yasumoto: The toolchain is, and stuff's building. The autosync hasn't finished yet IIRC, and it's not debootstrappable at the moment. [07:42] nixternal: I'm unemployed at the moment, work would be interesting [07:42] hehe, you and I both :) [07:42] Yasumoto: gcc-4.3 transition does not seem done yet and perl is updated but not the perl addon libs. [07:42] I was doing some work as an installer for Allen Visual Systems in Buffalo Grove, IL [07:43] Hobbsee: I suggest in your response you consistently capItalise rAndom chAracters. [07:43] <\sh> yay..another re-installation of hardy in only 3 mins...ubuntu-minimal rocks [07:43] hunger: If you know this, why are you asking how to upgrade? Either it works or it doesn't, and if it doesn't we don't much care yet :) [07:44] \sh: are we talking about a "netinst" version of Hardy? [07:44] RAOF: I have just checked what aptitude would do. And was wondering whether there are workarounds for these problems. [07:44] my friend asked me today if there exists a netinst version of Ubuntu Server, I told him "no" thinking that there was none [07:44] hunger & RAOFL: gotcha, thanks [07:45] <\sh> lucent, nope..I'm taking about a nice tool of this Hetzner company...they have actually a nice little util named installimage...and it takes finally 5 mins to install ubuntu...including changing the installation template [07:45] RAOF: heh [07:45] <\sh> lucent, for simple installations over network you can use the netboot image... [07:45] <\sh> lucent, for real life mass deployment I advise looking at FAI [07:46] good info, thank you [07:46] yay, intrepid is sane again, perl works [07:46] hunger: I'm not sure if anyone in here has actually upgraded anything but a build-chroot to Intrepid yet. [07:46] <\sh> that reminds me, my new two servers arrived...2x DL365, 16GB+16GB, 2x Quad Core Opterons...yay [07:46] pitti: It is? Aptitude still wants to keep back perl since all the libs are not upgradeable at this time. [07:46] <\sh> 8 Cores for ESX...I'm a lucky guy [07:47] har... I saw a blog entry about "Completely Fucking Slow" (CFS) scheduler [07:47] RAOF: Where is the fun in waiting till everything works? [07:47] pitti: Oh, does that make it debootstrappable? [07:47] hunger: hm, WFM now, I could dist-upgrade, and now build-essential (which includes perl) installed [07:47] <\sh> pitti, you are my jesus with this message ;) [07:47] RAOF: should [07:47] Yay! [07:47] intltool still seems to be broken, though [07:47] libxml-parser-perl [07:47] pitti: Well, I have a somewhat non-standard system, so maybe it is just additional stuff. [07:47] hunger: Yeah, but where's the fun in installing before _anything_ works? [07:48] <\sh> if only our a.u.c. servers were letting me sync intrepid.. [07:48] pitti: Well, still 33 perl packages waiting to get build... lets see how things are once they are there. [07:48] intrepid? what's so hot about that [07:48] lucent: Goats are hot. [07:48] I've run debian unstable before, mostly because it was more or less stable [07:49] The internet knows that! [07:49] hunger: ah [07:49] compared to say, any other OS I've used for the desktop [07:49] hunger: libxml-parser-perl is current, though [07:50] ah, it was built against the old perl [07:50] * pitti does another rebuild [07:52] morning [07:54] <\sh> waaaaaa [07:54] <\sh> passwd -l root [07:54] <\sh> apt-get install mysql-server [07:54] <\sh> failed [07:54] <\sh> Unpacking mysql-server-5.0 (from .../mysql-server-5.0_5.0.51a-3ubuntu5_amd64.deb) ... [07:54] <\sh> Your account has expired; please contact your system administrator [07:54] <\sh> chfn: PAM authentication failed [07:54] <\sh> wth? [07:55] <\sh> well, sudo su - <-- tells me the same, sudo -i doesn't [07:55] sh: Well, please contact your system administrator. ;-) [07:55] <\sh> ion_, hehe [07:55] <\sh> we do agree here, this shouldn't happen [07:56] * \sh looks at mysql this evening... [07:56] Do the passwd/shadow lines for root look ok? [07:57] <\sh> ion_, root is enabled during installation from the rootserver provider... [07:57] <\sh> ion_, passwd -l root locks root account and make it unusable...it should be the same as the default non-root install now [07:58] <\sh> i am logged in via useraccount , sudo -i to become root, and install the package... [07:58] <\sh> mysql-server does something during postinst..and runs into a pitfall, because passwd -l root is not the same as telling the passwd package somehow to not enable root [07:59] Yeah, i'd assume that, but have you actually looked at passwd/shadow? I mean, is passwd/shadow broken by passwd -l root or is e.g. PAM broken? [07:59] <\sh> ion_, na passwd/shadow are looking sane [08:00] <\sh> ion_, and no...pam is not broken ;) because in the end everything works. [08:00] yay, with that libxml-parser-perl upload, intltool becomes installable [08:00] and cdbs [08:01] The joys of the first weeks of a new release cycle. [08:01] so everyone who would like to see their intrepid upload build, please compile a list of source packages (NO commas in between) and toss it to me, I can give them back [08:01] (their uploads which FTBFSes because of intltool, that is) [08:02] pitti: can't you just get someone to do a mass giveback for anything that didn't build in intrepid? [08:02] * \sh checks this afternoon after rollout of companies new product release [08:02] pitti: jack-audio-connection-kit [08:02] Hobbsee: yes, infinity can [08:02] (and will) [08:02] pitti: right [08:03] TheMuso: noted, will do [08:03] pitti: oh and at-spi [08:03] pitti: Thanks. === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [08:39] pitti: re. the intltool ftbfs, I only have gnome-radio to be given back [08:39] norsetto: noted down, will do [08:39] pitti: danke [09:31] pitti: could you also put gstreamer0.10 and libbeagle on that list to give back? re: intltool uninstallable [09:32] pochu: done [09:32] I'm still waiting for the new libxml-parser-perl to become really published [09:32] sure, no hurry. thank you [09:33] pitti: is apport supposed to get disabled at release? or am I on crack? ;) [09:33] Ng: it is supposed to, and it's actually disabled for SIGSEGV-like crashes [09:33] Ng: it's not yet for Python crashes, that's bug 222260 [09:33] Launchpad bug 222260 in apport "apport_python_hook.py doesn't check to see if apport is enabled" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/222260 [09:34] pitti: ahh, that would explain why we're seeing python crash reports here, thanks :) [09:35] hello.. I am wondering if anyone's home [09:36] morning [09:36] I had a question... if I want to develop something for Xwindows.. like a small app [09:36] morning emgent [09:36] What language do I use? [09:37] C ok? [09:38] or better question.. what languages most packages are written in.. for Xwindows? [09:41] cylex: depends on which language you know and prefer; personally I find Python and pygtk rocking, and it's so easy and fast to develop small GUI apps [09:41] cylex: C works fine, of course [09:42] cylex: BTW, this is off topic here (not related to Ubuntu development, not even to Ubuntu in particular) [09:43] Are there mailing lists or any development places I can go for help [09:43] with this stuff [09:44] cylex: maybe try http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk-tutorial/stable/ if you want GTK? [09:44] and is it difficult to code with C for GUI? [09:44] cylex: try asking in the "Programming Talk" section of ubuntuforums: [09:44] http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=39 [09:44] cylex: in C it is not more difficult, but much less comfortable than in scripting languages like Python or Perl [09:45] cylex: Gnome lovers will strike me, but the Qt toolkit provides a solid multi-platform base of code in C++ language to work with for professional application development [09:45] cylex: (you need much more code, since C is a low-level language) [09:46] cylex: the other popular choice is Python language with Gtk+ bindings [09:47] ok thanks, you guys been great help :) [09:51] Is there chan on this network for programming talk? [09:51] Hi there, I would like to prepare a patch to dexconf, but I don't understand: in /etc/X11/xorg.conf it says that the file is regenerated whenever xorg is upgraded [09:52] on my system this does not happen even though I reconfigured X manually to get back the original file without my modifications [09:52] cylex: generally or for a specific language? [09:53] :'( [09:53] pochu: C/gtk for ubuntu [09:53] pochu: language specific [09:54] what the heck is ctrl+Y in irssi hmm [09:56] I think I got it.. I'll just join #c [09:57] Has the process for doing SRUs for main changed in the past 6 months or so? [09:57] cylex: and #gtk+ [09:57] nobody can tell me how to force xorg.conf to be updated in a patched package for xorg or x11-common? [09:58] broonie: the procedure became a bit more streamlined, and we added a few acceptable cases [09:58] Le-Chuck_ITA: no, because packages must not touch xorg.conf [09:58] Hrm, right. Might be worth trying then. [09:58] Thanks. [09:58] broonie: see the current policy document [09:59] it has been rearranged quite a bit for readability [09:59] The last policy didn't look too bad either... [09:59] But yes, I'll have a look. === Great_Briton_ is now known as Great_Briton [10:03] pitti: sorry for disappearing so suddenly, my laptop is breaking and sometimes it dies [10:03] You said packages shouldn't touch xorg.conf but when is dexconf triggered? Never? [10:04] Le-Chuck_IT1: oh, I just read your previous lines, when I replied I just saw the last one [10:04] seb128, had a quick look at changing the bookmarks yesterday night [10:04] Le-Chuck_IT1: no, dexconf does not change xorg.conf automatically either [10:04] but it seems that the default bookmarks are hardcoded :( [10:04] Le-Chuck_IT1: just if you manually do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [10:05] pitti so why in xorg.conf it says that the file is not regenerated when manually modified? Is it just an old comment and should be removed? [10:05] seb128 would it be possible to change xdg-user-dirs-gtk so that it sources the default bookmarks from a config file? [10:05] unless you have a better idea on how to do this, that is [10:06] Le-Chuck_ITA: ah, I think it might still be true [10:06] xivulon: I guess everything is possible, it just require somebody doing the changes [10:06] er... pitti: now it was pidgin that died [10:06] Le-Chuck_IT1: bryce and tjaalton would know better [10:07] seb128 I guess by "possible" in this case I mean "appropriate for point release" :) [10:07] thank you pitti [10:07] Le-Chuck_IT1: ugh, what's wrong on your machine, that everythign crashes? bad rAM? [10:07] xivulon: well, depends what you suggest to do [10:08] pitti: this is a different laptop than the other one really :) This time I think it was a crash in pidgin since I pressed ctrl+w to close a tab [10:08] seb128, as you know, I would need to change the default bookmarks generated on first login [10:08] pitti: the other laptop is dying for something related to temperature [10:08] I guess my idea would be to have some file in /etc/xdg or such that contains a list of default boomkark types [10:09] xivulon: /etc/xdg/user-dirs.defaults for example? [10:09] yep, that contains the dirtype <-> dir [10:09] we need another similar file to give me a list of default dirtypes [10:09] <\sh> pitti, we need something to ensure, that if some build-deps are name-changing all packages source-build-depending on them are recompiled automatically [10:10] such as "VIDEOS PICTURES MUSIC... HOST" [10:10] \sh: how do you want to do that? you need actual uploads for that [10:10] xivulon: ok, so you suggest changing the way it's working [10:10] yep update.c [10:10] \sh: and if the build deps actually change names, you need to modify the source [10:10] xivulon: I'm too busy to look at doing that but if you come with a reasonable patch why not [10:11] <\sh> pitti: e.g. php5 -> php5-imagick , needs libWand.so.9 now (in hardy) but we have libmagick10 in our archives, and libmagick9-dev still available... [10:11] seb128: I am not on my machine now (and not too familiar with gnome code) but I will think of something [10:11] <\sh> pitti, php5 compiled against the old version, so the imagick extension does not work and failes to load [10:12] xivulon: ok, cool [10:12] seb128 is there any xdg standard for bookmarks? [10:12] <\sh> pitti, looks like that libmagick9-dev still available, but there is no libmagick10-dev ... I wonder what happend actually [10:14] * xivulon reading http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/desktop-bookmark-spec [10:14] \sh: yeah, that's very inconsistent and a broken name [10:15] <\sh> s/php5/php-magick/ ;) [10:17] xivulon: not that I know about [10:18] <\sh> pitti, src imagemagick still builds libmagick9-dev ... but somehow we really need to ensure a rebuild of all rdependant packages after such an upload... [10:18] seb128: I suggest /etc/xdg/user-boomarks as a flat list of dirtypes [10:18] seb128: I /etc/xdg/user-boomarks.defaults [10:19] <\sh> pitti, and kick the maintainer if imagemagick to not take care in the first place ;) [10:19] <\sh> s/if/of/ [10:21] <\sh> now for an SRU for php-magick, to be just an rebuild ;) === cprov is now known as cprov-afk [10:48] Is there a channel for talking about xorg bugs in ubuntu? [10:49] Le-Chuck_ITA: try #ubuntu-x or #ubuntu-bugs [10:51] thanks dholbach === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn === cprov-afk is now known as cprov [11:10] <\sh> hooray...I can create intrepid chroots ;) thx [11:12] <\sh> pitti, can you give-back ddccontrol? (libxml-parser-perl ftbfs) [11:23] W: Failure trying to run: chroot /home/emgent/.chroots/intrepid dpkg --force-depends --install var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.7-10ubuntu3_i386.deb [11:23] argh.. [11:24] italian mirror dont work fine [11:25] <\sh> emgent, it's not updated... [11:25] <\sh> emgent, this problem is resolved since yesterday/today [11:26] i will try to use international mirror :) [11:28] <\sh> emgent, be careful of leningradskaya ;) [11:28] :) [11:51] cjwatson: bug 186049 appears to be it was mentioned in the arstechnica review [11:51] Launchpad bug 186049 in galago-sharp "System.DllNotFoundException: libgalago" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186049 [11:56] calc: yeah, that was why I stuck an 8.04.1 milestone on it [11:56] I got to it from arstechnica [11:57] ah ok [11:57] looks easy to fix and worth fixing [12:04] <\sh> grmpf...a lot of stuff ftbfs because of this intltool/perl problem earlier on...more difficult that it hit on most of auto-synced packages [12:11] that's what mass give-backs are for ... [12:14] <\sh> cjwatson, for sure...but it's hard to tell now, if packages are already NEWed + building or NEWed + FTBFS ... the webfrontend is not as nice as it could be ;) [12:18] that much is pretty clear from the builds page for the relevant package version [12:22] siretart: wpasupplicant 0.6.x - is it safe to just use the debian version or are there any changes you would like to add/keep? [12:22] <\sh> cjwatson, yes..when you click on the version in first...clicking through the buildlogs to find out why etc...quite long ways for a simple info ;) anyways.. [12:34] asac: I was about to ask you, no, AFAIK we can and should just sync the debian package [12:35] asac: if you need to do some changes to the package, let's please do them to the debian package directly, okay? [12:35] Is the UDS "business" or can I say I'm a "tourist"? [12:37] siretart: sure. if i add you to ~network-manager team would you upload updates there for the next few weeks (until i have sorted some grave issues for NM 0.7) [12:37] to PPA i mean [12:37] siretart: i have a question though. how is wpasupplicant started? for me it first didn't start, but then (i don't remember exactly what i fixed) it started automagically [12:38] asac: it depends. from the wpasupplicant maintainers POV, the recommended way is via ifupdown [12:38] see /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes for details [12:38] NM however is starting it on its own behalf [12:39] and AFAIUI, NM 0.7 is supposed to use this dbus activation service thingy, which I haven't seen in action yet [12:39] does this answer your question? [12:39] yes its dbus [12:40] no, but i'll look closer and ask later i guess ;) [12:40] may I ask why you suggest uploading to the ~network-manager PPA first instead of directly into intrepid? [12:40] or do you want to develop in hardy first? [12:40] asac: if you want we can also phone about that [12:40] i am on hardy still yes. [12:40] same here [12:41] I have uploaded a wpasupplicant package in my personal PPA. you should be able to just copy it from there [12:42] siretart: cool, would you be available tomorrow? i still need to actually know for sure what i am talking about :) [12:42] (phone call) [12:42] I should be. ping me on irc first to be sure [12:42] awesome [12:56] \sh: noted; let's see whether it finally got published [12:56] \sh: ah, seems to [12:58] <\sh> pitti, thx... [13:00] <\sh> is zope3 working now with py2.5 or is it still only usable with 2.4? [13:03] \sh: I gave back one arch:all test package for now, building now; cross your fingers! [13:07] <\sh> pitti, I'll pray to the mighty sbuild ... somehow right now everything is blocking my merges/syncs mostly because of missing new package releases ... and in the meantime fighting with stupid commercial software a la adobe flash media server is not even better [13:07] Status: Successfully built [13:07] * pitti does the intrepid dance [13:07] * pitti flushes his give-back list [13:10] pitti: I've just discovered that ardour, a package that got autosynced, was hit by the libxmlparser-perl issue discussed earlier. That can be given back too while you're at it. [13:11] is launchpad down? [13:11] seb128: works for me? [13:11] * ogra points pitti to dia and italc while he is at it [13:12] seb128: No problem here. [13:13] elmo, TheMuso: thanks, looks like an url copy error, works now [13:20] TheMuso, ogra: done [13:21] gracias :) [13:22] * ogra wnders if we could/should drop hwdb-client from the archive in intrepid ... there are still bugs rolling in for it [13:22] pitti: thanks. [13:24] * ion_ hopes X in intrepid will gain input hotplug and MPX. I’m going to buy a remote mouse-keyboard combination for sofa usage and keep the current keyboard and mouse on the desk. [13:25] ion_, works for me since gutsy with a wirelesss usb media keyboard [13:25] and didnt break in hardy [13:26]