[00:29] <kiko> hello hello
[00:29] <kiko> I have a user who's produced a package of gscrot in a PPA
[00:29] <kiko> was curious about what the procedure is for getting that sponsored into universe proper?
[00:30] <kiko> which MOTU wizard can point me to the proper procedure?
[00:31] <TheMuso> kiko: !revu
[00:31] <TheMuso> darn thats not availabe
[00:31] <kiko> TheMuso, so that's a good hint at least! tell me more. :)
[00:31] <TheMuso> kiko: Basically they upload it to revu, file a needs packaging bug and we take it from there
[00:31] <TheMuso> let me see if I can find the docs on the wiki.
[00:32] <kiko> TheMuso, would you care to give this user some help in doing it?
[00:32] <cbx33> james_w: thanks for the help
[00:32] <TheMuso> kiko: I can point them in the right direction at least.
[00:32] <kiko> james_w!
[00:32] <cbx33> but it's still crashing like a dog
[00:32] <kiko> TheMuso, thanks muchly
[00:32] <cbx33> :(
[00:32] <cbx33> I got it built successfully :)
[00:32] <cbx33> but it just crashes now on startup, worse than the installed version
[00:33] <TheMuso> kiko: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages
[00:35] <cbx33> Hey TheMuso
[00:35] <kiko> TheMuso, the fantastically-nicked dasdsdsadsdasd is the user I'm telling you about
[00:35] <kiko> TheMuso, I'm given him that URL; dasdsdsadsdasd, if you have any questions, ask away
[00:35] <dasdsdsadsdasd> ok, thanks
[00:35] <dasdsdsadsdasd> just reading the page
[00:40] <dasdsdsadsdasd> TheMuso, first of all thanks for your help
[00:41] <dasdsdsadsdasd> i think its the "packaging it yourself" part that i am interested in
[00:41] <pochu> !revu | kiko
[00:42] <dasdsdsadsdasd> where do i have to upload my package so that it is reviewed
[00:42] <kiko> dasdsdsadsdasd, to REVU, apparently -- pochu gave me a link there
[00:43] <TheMuso> pochu: Thanks, I thought it worked the other way. :p
[00:43] <pochu> !packagingguide | dasdsdsadsdasd
[00:43] <pochu> TheMuso: np :)
[00:43] <i4x> ﻿c y'all tomorrow! hugs..
[00:44] <pochu> superm1: hey mario, do you have any special opinions regarding a vostro 1310? :)
[00:45] <dasdsdsadsdasd> ok, thank you all for your help
[00:46] <dasdsdsadsdasd> i'll have a look at the pages tomorrow
[00:46] <dasdsdsadsdasd> cu, folks
[00:46] <kiko> sure thing
[01:48] <superm1> pochu, what are you looking for?
[02:05] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:06] <crimsun> heya
[02:08] <bddebian> Hi crimsun
[02:27] <tbielawa> evening all
[02:34] <crimsun> hi.
[02:42] <crimsun> joejaxx: e-mail me the alsa-info.sh --debug output for your macbook, please.
[02:42] <joejaxx> crimsun: ok
[02:42] <joejaxx> crimsun: i will have to install hardy on it again
[02:43] <crimsun> joejaxx: desktop CD should suffice
[02:43] <joejaxx> ok
[03:01] <McRib> Is there any way to install mozilla-mplayer WITHOUT installing Firefox3?  Firefox3 is useless to me and I need the Mplayer plugin for Firefox2...
[03:03] <Flannel> McRib: Looks like any sort of browser will satisfy it, yes.
[03:03] <McRib> Flannel: I can't install it... it depends on FF3 and is installing it automatically
[03:04] <Flannel> McRib: install firefox2 first, then install it.  If you just try to install it, it'll grab the first one automatically.
[03:04] <McRib> Flannel: That's it... I already have FF2 installed.
[03:04] <Flannel> McRib: through package management?
[03:04] <McRib> Flannel: Throught apt, yeah.
[03:05] <bbyever> doest the Depends field have/should be the same as the Build-Depends-Indep?
[03:05] <Flannel> Hmm, thats an oversight on the mplayer package.  It depends on firefox or mozilla-browser or galeon or epiphany browser or konquerer.
[03:06] <Flannel> McRib: so, if you create a dummy package (or install a second browser from that list), you'll be able to install it no problems.
[03:07] <Flannel> McRib: You may also want to file a bug against said package to include firefox-2 in the depends (assuming its compatable)
[03:10] <McRib> Flannel: It's compatible... once I installed it, it worked in FF2 just fine (but it also had install FF3)
[03:16] <ScottK> bbyever: No.  Packages should only be listed in one or the other.  Depends is for arch dependent stuff and anything needed to satisfy clean in Debian rules.  Arch independent stuff that's not needed for clean goes in build-dep-indep.
[03:17] <bbyever> ﻿ScottK: ok, thanks
[03:20] <tbielawa> Has anyone on here successfully applied the perl shlibs patch to build an intrepid environment yet?
[03:21] <tbielawa> nm, it's a hash util patch deb #479202
[03:21] <jumpkic2> http://packages.ubuntu.com/﻿﻿linux-ubuntu-modules -- returns    " Error  keyword not valid or missing "
[03:22] <jumpkic2> the packages search appears to be broken
[03:23] <Flannel> No, that's always been like that.  p.u.c has a horrible, horrible search
[03:23] <Flannel> thats what happens if you search for two words
[03:24] <jumpkic2> Flannel: surely at least http://packages.ubuntu.com/﻿﻿linux or http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=﻿﻿linux&searchon=names&suite=hardy&section=all should work
[03:25] <Flannel> jumpkic2: It works for me....
[03:26] <jumpkic2> gives me an error page every time
[03:26] <Flannel> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=linux&searchon=names&suite=hardy&section=all ?
[03:26] <jumpkic2> has that server got some kind of fancy geographical dns set-up or something?
[03:26] <Flannel> I guess it may
[03:26] <jumpkic2> does it resolve to this for you packages-vs.djpig.de (78.47.136.187)?
[03:27] <no0tic> why packages from hardy-updates have hardy-proposed in their changelog?
[03:27] <ajmitch> no0tic: because they are copied into -updates without changes after testing
[03:28] <Flannel> jumpkic2: it does
[03:28] <no0tic> ajmitch, shouldn't be better if the changelog would be changed importing them into -updates?
[03:29] <bbyever> ScottK: the uploaders field should be kept, right?
[03:29] <ScottK> bbyever: For a merge from Debian, yes.
[03:29] <ajmitch> no0tic: then various little things like gpg signatures wouldn't be valid
[03:30] <no0tic> ajmitch, ah, right
[03:30] <bbyever> ScottK: ok
[03:30] <no0tic> ajmitch, thanks for the clarification
[03:30] <ScottK> bbyever: It's generally better to ask the channel than a specific person.  You're more likely to get a timely answer.
[03:30] <bbyever> ScottK: ok
[03:31] <ajmitch> no0tic: a re-upload just for the distro in the changelog would then require a rebuild, etc
[03:54] <ScottK> sommer: avscan has a new upstream release for clamav 0.93
[03:55] <sommer> ScottK: cool, is that one going to be around for intrepid?
[03:55] <sommer> since there's clamtk and klamav and all
[03:56] <ScottK> Why not.  I'm sending a mention to the Debian maintainer about it now.  Avscan is actually a rather newer program than some of the others.
[03:58] <sommer> ah, maybe I was thinking of another app, but it seemed like the code wasn't as polished as the others... but then again I'm probably thinking of the default dapper version
[03:58] <ScottK> The dapper one was very immature.  It was very new then.
[03:58] <RoAkSoAx> does anyone know if this debdiff needs filtering? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10861/
[03:58] <sommer> ah, I'll give it another chance then :-)
[03:58] <ScottK> sommer: How is this for confidence inspiring from the klamav developer on klamav-users in response to complaints about integration with clamav 0.93: "Note to self: start reading ClamAV release notes again!"
[03:59] <sommer> lol, whoa
[03:59] <sommer> did you take that survey they sent out this morning?
[04:00] <ScottK> What survey?
[04:01] <ScottK> YokoZar: Did you see the Debian wine RFH?
[04:02] <sommer> ScottK: it was sent to the clamav-devel list at 5:59 by nigel horne... the survey seems closed now
[04:02] <sommer> ScottK: I can forward you the message if you'd like... the gist is that the clamav RC release didn't get tested enough and wouldn't build on some systems, I guess
[04:03] <ScottK> sommer: Ah.  No.  I guess I'm only subscribed to their announce list, not the devel list.
[04:03] <ScottK> sommer: It's fine.
[04:03] <ScottK> They mentioned that on IRC.  They felt the RC wasn't getting tested, so there was no point in an RC2, they might as well release.
[04:03] <sommer> heh, I was the opposite until this morning... their devel list is very low traffic
[04:03] <sommer> ah
[04:04] <ScottK> sommer: That's when I decided for SURE I didn't want to push 0.93 into Hardy.
[04:04] <sommer> heh makes sense, seems to be working fine from my testing though
[04:05] <sommer> ScottK: looks like gurlchecker is suffering from the "maxratio" change as well
[04:05]  * sommer looking for patch
[04:06] <ApOgEE-> how to fix the b43legacy problem on hardy kernel 2.6.24-16-generic?
[04:06] <ApOgEE-> any way to trace the error?
[04:06] <ajmitch> ScottK: that doesn't quite sound like sane release policy
[04:06] <ScottK> ApOgEE-: I'm guessing you want either #ubuntu for support or #ubuntu-kernel for kernel development.
[04:07] <ApOgEE-> issuing sudo modprobe b43legacy will freeze my laptop
[04:07] <ScottK> ajmitch: clamav is not a particularly sane upstream from the way we tend to view things.
[04:07] <ajmitch> I can see why they're not at 1.0 yet
[04:08] <ScottK> ajmitch: They also change config parameters without warning or even leaving them deprecated for a release.
[04:08] <ScottK> Yeh.
[04:08] <ajmitch> building tools for themselves
[04:08] <ScottK> ajmitch: 100% of the packages that build-dep on libclamav-deb FTBFS without patching in the new version.
[04:09] <ScottK> I think building code without a lot of thought for maintenance and hanging onto the "we're not 1.0 yet, so the API doesn't have to be stable".
[04:09] <ScottK> ...excuse
[04:09] <ajmitch> because noone else would possibly be using clamav
[04:10] <sommer> heh, the kicker is the api isn't even that complicated... load virus db, scan file, unload db
[04:10] <ajmitch> yet they still manage to constantly break that?
[04:10] <ScottK> Yep.
[04:10] <ajmitch> impressive
[04:11] <ajmitch> so when is it going into main?
[04:11] <ScottK> I'm actually planning on talking to kees about that at UDS.  Insane or not, I think Ubuntu Server really needs a supported anti-virus package.
[04:12] <ajmitch> certainly
[04:12] <ajmitch> I wasn't completely joking :)
[04:12] <ScottK> Of course if it was in Main I wouldn't get away with half the risks I'm taking on keeping it current.
[04:12] <ajmitch> like abusing backports?
[04:13] <ScottK> No.  That'd be fine.  It's the pushing stuff from backports to updates that'd be frowned on.
[04:13] <ScottK> ajmitch: Look at clamav in Dapper.
[04:13] <ajmitch> I don't think I want to
[04:15] <ScottK> Then you certainly don't want to look at the ~dozen other rdepends that needed upating too.
[04:15] <ScottK> And you absolutely don't want to look at the one new package we had to add.
[04:15] <greg-g> calc: any plans of getting a ppa for OO.o 3.0beta?
[04:15] <ajmitch> it could be worse, I'm sure
[04:16] <ScottK> But so far I only broke one custom 3rd party app and annoyed one user who lost some configs AFAIK and wiped out about two dozen open CVEs.
[04:16] <ScottK> I'd call that a fair trade.
[04:17] <ajmitch> reasonable, yes
[04:20] <ffm>  Hey, anyone in the mood for a package REVU? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=thinkcspy2
[04:21] <sommer> ScottK: doh, seems that gurlchecker's site is unavailable: http://gurlchecker.labs.libre-entreprise.org/  can you get to it?
[04:28] <ScottK> sommer: No.  I can't get to it either.  Google's cached page is from last week, so I imagine it's temporary.
[04:28] <sommer> okay, I'll try again later... moving on to havp
[04:31] <sommer> ScottK: looks like havp-0.88 supports 0.93, debian is at 0.87... can you request an update?
[04:31] <ScottK> Can I have a link please?
[04:32] <sommer> http://www.server-side.de/
[04:32] <ScottK> Thanks.
[04:33] <sommer> I just did an apt-get source in a sid chroot, didn't actually check the debian site
[04:34] <ScottK> http://packages.qa.debian.org/h/havp.html
[04:34] <ScottK> You had it right.
[04:35] <sommer> ooo, that's a good link, thanks
[04:37] <ScottK> sommer: Get to know and love the PTS.
[04:38] <sommer> heh, it'd definitely on the agenda :)
[05:32] <tbielawa> nothing like cleaning the carpet off your heat sink to make your build stop freezing your system :)
[06:23] <YokoZar> ScottK: yes
[06:59] <cbx33> hey anyone alive in here?
[07:01] <RAOF> braaaaaaains!
[07:01] <cbx33> RAOF: hey
[07:01] <cbx33> well anyone who is alive
[07:01] <RAOF> Heya :)
[07:04] <cbx33> well
[07:04] <cbx33> I was hoping to fix up kdenlive
[07:04] <cbx33> you think the best way is to get the package sources and update the source trees?
[07:07] <dholbach> good morning
[07:14] <nixternal> mornin' dholbach
[07:14] <nixternal> sorry I was afk yesterday morning
[07:14] <dholbach> hiya nixternal
[07:14] <dholbach> don't worry :)
[07:15] <nixternal> we had a nice spring storm blow through, had the window open, and I wasn't moving out of bed :)
[07:16] <dholbach> oh :)
[07:23] <ajmitch> hello dholbach
[07:23] <RAOF> cbx33: By update the source trees, you mean?  Pull down upstream svn and package it?
[07:23] <dholbach> hiya ajmitch
[07:24] <RAOF> lo dholbach, ajmitch.
[07:24] <dholbach> hey RAOF
[07:25] <ajmitch> hello RAOF
[07:30] <\sh> moins
[07:30] <cbx33> RAOF: yes
[07:30] <cbx33> hey ajmitch dholbach
[07:31] <dholbach> hi cbx33
[07:35] <RAOF> cbx33: Packaging svn is _always_ fun.  Do you know if upstream is releasing anytime soon?
[07:36]  * RoAkSoAx finally has his cluster working =)
[07:37] <cbx33> noidea
[07:37] <cbx33> no idea
[07:37] <cbx33> right off to work
[07:37] <cbx33> bbl
[07:37] <RAOF> Have fun!
[07:49] <dholbach> RAOF: seems like upstream fixed a bunch of crashers in SVN - so I'd rather somebody cherry-picked them and rolled them in a SRU if they fix the crashes
[07:50] <RAOF> dholbach: Ah, right.
[07:56] <Hobbsee> RAOF: did you want to see it?
[08:01] <tbielawa> woohoo. the new perl version has been released into the hardy repos
[08:01] <tbielawa> I can finally make an intrepid pbuilder
[08:16] <RAOF> Hobbsee: See what?  Your assignemnt?
[08:16] <Hobbsee> RAOF: yes.  the crap that we have to do :(
[08:17] <Hobbsee> RAOF: for a second yaer subject, no less.
[08:17] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Go for it.
[08:17] <Hobbsee> RAOF: http://hobbsee.com/tmp/comp247.tar.gz
[08:18] <Hobbsee> RAOF: it's a tarball because it's actually a pdf-ified .doc file, and so throws up 404 errors when uploaded as a .pdf.
[08:18] <RAOF> Heh.
[08:18] <Hobbsee> nfi why.  it downloaded originally as a .pdf.
[08:18] <RAOF> What?  Can you still _buy_ dialup access?
[08:18] <tbielawa> ewww
[08:19] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Why, exactly, are you writing _essays_ for CompSci?
[08:20] <pochu> superm1: something to carry to uds... I have nothing but my desktop right now
[08:20] <pochu> superm1: so something good a good battery life, portable and cheap ;)
[08:20] <Hobbsee> RAOF: NFI
[08:21] <Hobbsee> RAOF: it's a networking unit, which doesn't require prior knowledge in computing, for some reason.
[08:21] <Hobbsee> yet, they don't actually tell people what routers and switches and hubs, etc, actualy are used for
[08:21] <superm1> pochu, i'm a fan of the xps 1330 personally for something really small, portable, cheap
[08:21] <Hobbsee> nor show what any look like
[08:22] <superm1> but no experience working with the vostro.  i've been working with the inspiron and xps series portables mainly
[08:22] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Right.  General compsci craziness, then.
[08:22] <Hobbsee> RAOF: apparently we get this waffly crap if it doesn't require actual code.  :(
[08:23] <superm1> pochu, i'll probably bring one to UDS
[08:23] <Hobbsee> superm1: i'm envious.
[08:23] <Hobbsee> those are nice machines.
[08:23] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Which is why they should always ask for actual code ;)
[08:23] <Hobbsee> yes, well
[08:24] <Hobbsee> anywya, time to finally go into uni
[08:24] <superm1> Hobbsee, yeah and they will work out of the box for everything on 8.04 cept for HDMI audio and modem
[08:55] <cbx33> ping Lutin
[08:56] <Lutin> cbx33: pong.
[08:56] <Lutin> (leaving in a couple seconds)
[08:58] <Lutin> cbx33: I'm off for 4 days, please drop me an email. I'll answer asap
[09:00] <cbx33> Lutin: wait
[09:00] <cbx33> please
[09:00] <cbx33> just a quick question
[09:00] <cbx33> dang it......I guess he left already
[09:01] <tbielawa> fail :(
[09:01] <cbx33> Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
[09:01] <cbx33> pr0g80X.vid ep 0.3 is doomed
[09:01] <tbielawa> i think I removed that virus from a machine at work yesterday
[09:01] <cbx33> heheha
[09:02] <cbx33> you calling my videocast a virus
[09:02] <cbx33> :p
[09:02] <tbielawa> I kid I kid :)
[09:02] <cbx33> yeh yeh, you'd better
[09:02] <tbielawa> be happy, intrepid pbuilders should work now
[09:02] <tbielawa> go
[09:02] <tbielawa> rejoice
[09:02] <cbx33> i care not about those
[09:02] <tbielawa> :(
[09:02] <cbx33> I only care about getting a working kdenlive in hardy
[09:03] <tbielawa> it doesn't work?
[09:03] <cbx33> no it doesn't
[09:03] <tbielawa> at all?
[09:04] <cbx33> no
[09:04] <cbx33> it crashes soo much it's unusable
[09:04] <cbx33> I just upgraded from Gutsy
[09:04] <cbx33> and it's .... well I can't produce the next episode
[09:04] <cbx33> and I'm getting pushed by a lot of people to get it out the door
[09:05] <tbielawa> pretty good incentive to make kdenlive work then I suppose
[09:06] <cbx33> indeed
[09:06] <cbx33> so I'm trying
[09:06] <cbx33> http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/
[09:06] <tbielawa> best of luck to you
[09:06] <cbx33> I've posted twice baout it in the last 24 hours
[09:06] <cbx33> :D
[09:11] <tbielawa> I hope that goes well
[09:11] <tbielawa> i'm going to sleep
[09:26] <slytherin> hi, I am not sure which is the correct channel to ask. ubottu got removed from #ubuntu-in sometime this week. Whom should I ask for help?
[09:26] <pochu> superm1: how does it perform with the battery (6/9 cells). I've googled a bit and it looks like 5/6 hours with the 9 cells one, is that right?
[09:27] <pochu> (with intel onboard graphics)
[09:27] <wgrant> slytherin: #ubuntu-ops
[09:27] <slytherin> wgrant: thanks
[09:36] <emgent> morning
[10:34] <slytherin> anybody other than me getting this error - The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[10:35] <\sh> slytherin, yes...it's the .31 server leningradskaya
[10:35] <\sh> slytherin, try the .45 or .46
[10:35] <\sh> slytherin, without using a.u.c.
[10:35] <slytherin> \sh: I do not understand.
[10:35] <\sh> slytherin, nslookup archive.ubuntu.com
[10:35] <\sh> you will see 3 RR servers
[10:36] <slytherin> \sh: Oh. Thanks
[10:36] <\sh> x.y.z.31/.45/.46
[10:36] <\sh> if you check the ips directly, you see that it always defaults .31 in your case...(in mine too)
[10:36] <\sh> slytherin, use .45 or .46 depends
[10:37] <slytherin> \sh: trying .45, lets see what happens
[10:46] <\sh> slytherin, you can check it when you http://<ip>/ubuntu if tehre is a lock file a la "Archive Update in Progress <hostname>.canonical.com> so the archive server is busy doing updates
[10:47] <\sh> slytherin, and .31 is in the round robin list the first server..so it will mostly the prefered server, but it should change, if your ISP doesn't do hostname caching and destroys the RR idea
[10:47] <slytherin> \sh: Ok. .45 worked without problem.
[11:47] <pochu> is it significant the increase in energy efficiency (and thus in battery life) from a 65nm processor to a 45 one? (core2duo T5550 to a T8100) ? I guess it's worth 50 euros?
[12:00] <norsetto> asac: what do you think of bug 228044? This is (a problem) commonto many plugins I guess.
[12:03] <albert23> pochu: t8100 has Intel Virtualization Technology, so you can use kvm. T5550 does not have that. For me that would be worth the €50. Maybe for you too?
[12:05] <asac> norsetto: if our build works with ffox2 we should fix it ... further mplayer-plugin should be installed in /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/plugins ... not sure if that is done atm
[12:07] <asac> commented
[12:08] <norsetto> asac: ok, thx
[12:12] <asac> norsetto: iirc you were the right contact: could you take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jazzva and tell me what i shall tell jazzva about his motu application? he didn't do much merges and would be willing to do a few more in the next few weeks.
[12:13] <pochu> albert23: possibly... OTOH I could still use VirtualBox, although that has a lower performance. So given the Intel VT, the better processor and the better energy usage (because that's right, isn't it?) I think I'll go for the T8100
[12:14] <norsetto> asac: yes, he was away for a while but he is back now. He should definetively do more merges/syncs (perhaps he hasn't documented them all). If he wants, I have a couple of updates to be done (bug 226195).
[12:15] <asac> norsetto: i would appreciate if you could assemble a list of merges he can do in the next week. he does a great job in the extensions team and i need him to have  upload powers asap
[12:15] <asac> s/next week/next weeks/
[12:16] <norsetto> asac: I would say all those for which the previous uploader is not with us anymore (gothicx, xxxxx, etc.). There are about 20 or so in the queue
[12:16] <albert23> pochu: I don't know about the energy. I have a 65nm T7500  with Intel graphics and I am happy with it's battery live (>4 hours)
[12:17] <asac> norsetto: do you have names you have in mind? i can forward that list to him and he can pick deliberately then
[12:18] <pochu> albert23: 6 cells?
[12:18] <albert23> pochu: 9 cells
[12:18] <pochu> ah, ok
[12:20] <norsetto> asac: Marco Rodrigues, William Lima, Barry deFreese (he usually doesn't mind)
[12:21]  * wgrant has a heart attack.
[12:21] <wgrant> Adobe people on the ML!?
[12:22] <norsetto> asac: bug 226195 would be good for him since gecko-mediaplayer is a browser extension
[12:23] <asac> norsetto: ok, i can reassign the bug. do you know who pikini is?
[12:23] <emgent> heya wgrant :)
[12:23] <norsetto> asac: no idea, he assigned it to himself and hasn't done anything in 5 days
[12:23] <emgent> norsetto: o/
[12:24] <norsetto> emgent: o/
[12:50] <\sh> does anyone know if zope3 now supports python 2.5 in debian? ,-)
[13:56] <pochu> superm1: I got disconnected. when you're back, I'd be interested if you know how the 6 cells battery perform in the xps :)
[13:57] <superm1> pochu, i'm flying tonight, so i'll bring one with me and see how far I can push it
[13:57] <txwikinger> what is again the command which I can use to test order of version names?
[13:58] <superm1> i'll be doing some compiles and what not too
[13:58] <superm1> so hopefully good indicator
[13:58] <joaopinto> txwikinger, dpkg --compare-versions
[13:59] <txwikinger> joaopinto: yes ... thank you :)
[14:07] <DRebellion> I am trying to set up an intrepid build enviroment for pbuilder under hardy, however the 'create' command fails lacking a debootstrap script. Looking about on the internet, it appears I must download and install the intrepid version? I am not sure which of these I need: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/d/debootstrap/
[14:18] <joaopinto> DRebellion, http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/debootstrap
[14:18] <DRebellion> joaopinto, thanks
[14:21] <DRebellion> Then to create the intrepid env just: << sudo pbuilder create --distribution intrepid >> ?
[14:46] <pochu> superm1: great, thank you :)
[14:55] <norsetto> asac: will we have firefox 2 in intrepid?
[14:55] <asac> norsetto: we will keep it until firefox 3 is final + one or two more updates
[14:55] <asac> then we will auto upgrade
[14:56] <norsetto> asac: ok, I will fix bug 228044 for intrepid then
[14:56] <asac> great
[14:57] <asac> if you want feel free to prepare an sru with the part i mentioned too
[14:57] <norsetto> asac: sru are a pain, but I will try to overcome my feelings ...
[14:57] <asac> i'd be supportive to mileston this 8.04.1
[14:58] <asac> norsetto: just come up with the patch ... i can guide this in then ;)
[14:58] <norsetto> asac: okki
[15:04] <norsetto> asac: its not very clear to me, are firefox-2 plugins for hardy/intrepid in /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/ or /usr/lib/firefox-addons/plugins/ ?
[15:08] <asac> the are in /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/
[15:09] <asac> and ffox 3 plugins should go to xulrunner-addons/plugins
[15:12] <bddebian> heya gang
[15:13] <norsetto> heya bddebian
[15:13] <bddebian> Hi norsetto
[15:18] <slicer> Hi. I've been talking a lot with the debian-voip team lately, and since both Hardy and Debian unstable offer almost identical mumble packages, we've been thinking about merging them. Thing is that there are tiny differences between what suitable defaults are in Ubuntu and Debian. For example, the default audio subsystem in Ubuntu should be PulseAudio, while in Debian it should be ALSA. We've discussed adding a call to lsb_release in the rules file to distin
[16:22] <Iulian> Hey
[16:23] <bddebian> Hi Iulian
[16:26] <Iulian> Hello bddebian
[17:18] <no0tic> sudo pbuilder create --basetgz /var/cache/pbuilder/intrepid.tgz --distribution intrepid
[17:18] <no0tic> W: Failure trying to run: chroot /var/cache/pbuilder/build/16595/. dpkg --force-depends --install var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.7-10ubuntu3_i386.deb
[17:19] <RoAkSoAx> no0tic, install a pbuilder for hardy and then upgrade to intrepid
[17:19] <no0tic> RoAkSoAx, how?
[17:19] <no0tic> RoAkSoAx, it creates a tgz under /var/cache/pbuilder
[17:19] <no0tic> RoAkSoAx, may I uncompress it and chroot?
[17:20] <james_w> "pbuilder login --save-after-login" will allow you to upgrade
[17:20] <no0tic> james_w, thanks
[17:22] <RoAkSoAx> no0tic, i did this: sudo pbuilder create --distribution hardy --othermirror "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hardy universe multiverse"
[17:22] <RoAkSoAx> and then: sudo pbuilder update --distribution intrepid --override-config
[17:22] <no0tic> RoAkSoAx, I changed /etc/pbuilderrc
[17:22] <no0tic> RoAkSoAx, ok
[17:23] <RoAkSoAx> hi james_w =)
[17:23] <james_w> hi RoAkSoAx
[17:23] <RoAkSoAx> how ya doing?
[17:23] <james_w> good, you?
[17:24] <RoAkSoAx> good, working on my thesis xD
[17:24] <ember> someone should sync the perl on NEW to fix that
[17:26] <Jazzva> Any idea what causes this multiple diff markers in files? http://paste.ubuntu.com/10963/
[17:26] <no0tic> RoAkSoAx, it doesn't work :/ some packages have unmet dep
[17:26] <RoAkSoAx> no0tic, pastebin?
[17:27] <no0tic> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10964/
[17:28] <RoAkSoAx> no0tic, i had the same unmet dependencies but the pbuilder was upgraded successfully
[17:28] <james_w> Jazzva: that looks like conflicts of conflicts or something.
[17:28] <james_w> Is there any chance that there were conflicts stored in the original file?
[17:29] <james_w> otherwise it may be a bug in MoM (this is from there right?)
[17:29] <Jazzva> DaD...
[17:29] <Jazzva> I thought I could use any :).
[17:30] <james_w> might be a bug there then :-)
[17:30] <Jazzva> I suppose it wasn't uploaded to the archives with this, since it's part of configure file. Dunno if it would build with those left :).
[17:30] <Jazzva> james_w: Ok, I'll report a bug, so someone can check it... Thanks for the help :)
[17:31] <james_w> yeah, doesn't sound likely.
[17:35] <RoAkSoAx> no0tic, any luck?
[17:36] <no0tic> RoAkSoAx, recreating all from scratch
[17:38] <no0tic> RoAkSoAx, no
[17:38] <no0tic> RoAkSoAx, same error
[17:41] <RoAkSoAx> no0tic, let me try
[17:42] <no0tic> RoAkSoAx, wait, probably it's a problem of the italian mirror
[17:44] <pochu> Jazzva: is that conflict also in MoM?
[17:51] <Jazzva> pochu: I don't know. On the phone atm, so I still haven't downloaded the sources...
[17:52] <pochu> ah, ok
[17:53] <pochu> I bet the conflict isn't in Liferea in the archive... I uploaded it :-)
[17:54] <Jazzva> pochu: I'm sure too... My guess it would FTBFS if the conflict was there :)
[17:54] <Jazzva> pochu: Finished the call, so I will check liferea from mom now
[17:57] <Jazzva> DaD's buggy... Sources from MoM are fine.
[17:57]  * pochu hopes the Comments feature from DaD will be merged into MoM soon :)
[18:00] <no0tic> RoAkSoAx, ok, it worked!
[18:01] <RoAkSoAx> no0tic, which mirror are you using now?
[18:01] <no0tic> RoAkSoAx, no mirrors archive.ubuntu.com
[18:01] <sebner> pochu: damn you :P
[18:01] <RoAkSoAx> no0tic, ok, i'm updating my pbuilder again and see what happens=)
[18:02] <pochu> sebner: heh, I've already seen that before! Dejavu!! ;-)
[18:03] <sebner> pochu: I'm damning you as often as possible ^^. You may remember that we talked about libbeagle? ;)
[18:03] <pochu> sebner: heh, lol
[18:03] <pochu> it's already synced but currently FTBFS due to pygtk not being installable...
[18:04] <pochu> I haven't created an intrepid chroot yet though
[18:04] <sebner> pochu: I know. But you may remember that I told you that I opened a sync but and just waiting for a dep or something similar ;)
[18:05] <pochu> yeah, but why wait for a sponsor to check it if I can ask seb to sync it for me? ;-)
[18:06]  * pochu apologizes to sebner :-)
[18:06] <pochu> sebner: I forgot about it, TBH... my mind is so bad ;)
[18:07] <sebner> pochu: ... I don't have a problem if you want to do that but if you say to me that this is ok then I have a problem ;)
[18:07] <sebner> pochu: ya. np. just wanted to damn you :P
[18:10] <pochu> sebner: I suck :(
[18:11] <sebner> pochu: np. it's just that such a case happened the 2nd time to me ^^
[18:12] <pochu> heh
[18:12] <pochu> I hope I didn't cause the first one too :)
[18:12] <sebner> pochu: no no. :)
[18:13] <pochu> ;)
[18:13] <pochu> hi mok0_
[18:13] <sebner> hi mok0_ :)
[18:13] <mok0_> hi pochu
[18:30] <joh> Hi, could someone review my package at revu? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=alarm-clock-applet thanks!
[22:02] <norsetto> anyone in motu_sru is feeling bored?
[22:04] <norsetto> !jdong
 jdong: yes, but you're FULL OF CRACK!
[22:10] <Jazzva> pochu: I'm having a little problem here. Build-Depends state dpatch is used, we put our patches in 00list, and debian uses series (which is for quilt, iirc). Should I dismiss series file, and prepare dpatches from quilt patches, in case we need to apply them?
[22:10] <Jazzva> (that's the problem in liferea)
[22:11] <Jazzva> And I'm puzzled why quilt wasn't mentioned in the Build-Depends... :/
[22:12] <geser> Jazzva: Build-Depends: autotools-dev, quilt (>=0.40-1), [from http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/liferea/liferea_1.4.15-1.diff.gz ]
[22:13] <sebner> Jazzva: if debian uses quilt we want to keep it rather then replacing it with dpatch ;)
[22:13] <sebner> geser: hiho. What does MC "Call" means?
[22:13] <ajmitch> sebner: it was originally the MC talking on skype or similar
[22:14] <sebner> ajmitch: so similar to Meeting
[22:14] <geser> sebner: yes
[22:14] <geser> the mc members meet and "talk" about open applications and other business
[22:15] <sebner> geser: cool. just don't see the result of the talk ^^
[22:18] <geser> sebner: iirc persia wanted to process you on friday (if no other mc member does it till then)
[22:18] <Jazzva> geser: Strange, it didn't report quilt here: Build-Depends: autotools-dev, dpatch, debhelper (>= 5), and it's the same version... And we already used dpatch befote. This is the source pulled from MoM...
[22:18] <ajmitch> 'process'. that sounds worrying
[22:18] <sebner> ajmitch: hmm? ^^
[22:19] <ajmitch> nevermind :)
[22:19] <sebner> geser: ah. no worries. wasn't specially interested in me. just I looked at the ML and the Minutes are missing :)
[22:20] <geser> sebner: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/motu-council/2008-May/001113.html are the minutes from the "MC Call" from wednesday
[22:20] <norsetto> jazzva: you know you have been assigned to bug 228044?
[22:21] <sebner> geser: hm? I saw that but there are only listed the agenda items and the attendens and nothing more
[22:22] <Jazzva> norsetto: You mean bug 226195?
[22:22] <geser> nothing more didn't happen
[22:22] <sebner> geser: kk. thx
[22:22] <norsetto> sebner: there was a great debate if they should accept you in the contributors team which ended with a vote of 19864 against and 0 for ....
[22:22] <geser> Jazzva: I guess it's because MoM could merge that part from the ubuntu delta
[22:22] <norsetto> jazzva: yes, that one
[22:23] <geser> Jazzva: look at the unmodified debian diff.gz
[22:23] <sebner> norsetto: rofl. so the comments by them are faked :P
[22:23] <Jazzva> geser: Ah... So, you think I should prepare quilt patches from our dpatches?
[22:23] <Jazzva> norsetto: Yes, I got the mail today. I'm planning to look into it.
[22:23] <geser> Jazzva: yes, as that will make merging in the future easier (you need to convert them once)
[22:23] <norsetto> jazzva: ok, let me know as you proceed
[22:24] <ajmitch> norsetto: do you think I could get into the teams? I need more icons on LP
[22:24] <norsetto> ajmitch: we could have a team together with a kiwi icon :-)
[22:24] <Jazzva> norsetto: Ok...
[22:24] <ajmitch> well we've already got an icon for the ubuntu-nz team
[22:25] <norsetto> ajmitch: yeah, but our team will be special, its gonna be kiwi (the fruit) not kiwi (the bird)
[22:25] <sebner> lol
[22:26] <sebner> ajmitch: the universe-contributors teams needs an icon ;)
[22:26] <ajmitch> norsetto: oh, right
[22:28]  * jdong volunteers persia 
[22:28] <jdong> oh the graphical thumbnail thing. not ... never mind
[22:39] <RainCT> a little off-topic question.. "egrep -r "blocked"  .lyrics/* | cut -d':' -f 1 | xargs rm". How do I have to change there so that it considers all words as a single argument (so that the rm works if the filenames contain spaces)?
[22:40] <jdong> RainCT: xargs -i rm '{}'
[22:40] <RainCT> jdong: thanks. so the {} is replaced with whatever value it is, or how does that work?
[22:42] <jdong> RainCT: correct. -i means replace {} with filename
[22:42] <jdong> RainCT: -I allows you to specify the placeholder character too
[22:43] <crimsun> another way is to set IFS to something else.
[22:44] <crimsun> use whatever makes your brain hurt the least.
[22:44] <RainCT> thanks :)
[22:44] <RainCT> so, gonna go. good night
[22:45] <sebner> RainCT: gn8 =)
[22:54] <sebner> gn8 folks