[00:01] <knmstrflx> After a quick read i've been led to believe that on older, slower hardware Xubuntu will perform better than Ubuntu.  Is this accurate?
[00:01] <teh_b00nei> Okay, pulled the card out, ifconfig shows eth0 and lo, only shows one NIC, loverly.
[00:01] <teh_b00nei> knmstrflx: Yes.
[00:01] <knmstrflx> win!
[00:02] <teh_b00nei> I'm running xubuntu on a 733MHzp3 with 64MB graphics and 320MB ram, It keeps up with my 2.4GHz, 1GB ram 256MB grapghics windows box.
[00:02] <knmstrflx> sounds perfect for my old junk
[00:04] <knmstrflx> is there anyplace the xubuntu documenation is packed into a big fat PDF or something for offline consumption for my grandfather?
[00:08] <Stroganoff> knmstrflx: http://thepiratebay.org/search/ubuntu/0/99/600
[00:08] <Stroganoff> ;)
[00:09] <knmstrflx> keke :)
[00:09] <knmstrflx> maybe i can httrack the wiki
[00:10] <Stroganoff> k if you'r that savy you might wanna try icewm or openbox, it's considerably faster than xubuntu
[00:10] <Stroganoff> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=741631
[00:10] <Stroganoff> http://www.doink.ch/xubuntu-doc/xubuntu-flash-quick-tour.html
[00:13] <sponix> W: A error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used.GPG error: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[00:14] <sponix> worked fine for a while, not sure why it quit being valid
[00:15] <KindOne> I am Having trouble connecting to the wifi via Xubuntu 8.04 today, but yesterday I connected (first time in days since Update from 7.10 to 8.04) while I was connected the signal strength jumped from 20% to 100% a lot. I had also Updates some stuff via Update Manager. is there any idea how I can connect ?? I am currently on Win2000 and I got the usual 78%.... is there any way I can fix this problem, Wifi card is a Linksys WMP54G Version 4.1
[00:18] <TheSheep> sponix: man in the middle attack?
[00:18] <TheSheep> KindOne: you mifgt want to search the forums for that model
[00:19] <KindOne> ok
[00:51] <knmstrflx> time to attempt my first network install
[00:51] <knmstrflx> because i have no CD's!
[00:52] <zoredache> if you have a spare usb flash drive and your computer will boot off that, then that might be easier
[00:52] <knmstrflx> hmm
[00:52] <knmstrflx> might is an understatement
[00:53] <zoredache> I don't think so... If you have the netboot infrastructure already in place (servers, dhcp, tftp, etc) then netbooting is really easy
[00:53] <knmstrflx> aye but I don't.
[00:54] <knmstrflx> omg /exit wife incoming sigterm -all hralp hralp
[01:22] <fishmonger> hi everyone
[01:23] <fishmonger> I'm using a G3 imac that I found at a thrift store with 6.06 installed. I opened the computer up and saw that there is a RAM card in the extra slot.. how can I tell if it's recognized, and how much RAM it is?
[01:26] <sponix> top or free -m will tell you how much ram you have
[01:26] <sponix> easy way to tell... booth with, and without it, to see the diff ;)
[01:29] <fishmonger> sponix: it says Mem: 91, Swap: 206
[01:29] <fishmonger> sponix: how does that relate to 64mb, 256mb, 512 etc?
[01:41] <sponix> use free -m
[01:41] <sponix>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[01:41] <sponix> Mem:          2025       1604        421          0         82        970
[01:42] <sponix> My box has 2024 Meg (2G) or Ram
[01:42] <sponix> it shows 2025Meg... Close enough ;)
[04:01] <Newb> images in xubuntu are being rendered real slowly
[04:02] <Newb> videos on youtube are going like 2 fps
[04:11] <Newb> I dont think its a cpu bottleneck cause FF is taking up at most ~70%... :(
[05:46] <ere4si> Newb: got your vid card drivers working?
[05:48] <Newb> ere4si: yes
[05:48] <Newb> ere4si: heh, I have been waiting for you, I got a couple more questions
[05:50] <Newb> ere4si: everything seems sluggish. Enabling compositing helped a bit (i guess this puts more load on the gpu). But would a different window manager speed things up?
[05:51] <ere4si> Newb: xubuntu should not be slow - can you have a look at the command  top  in a terminal pls?
[05:51] <ere4si> Newb: is xorg using alot of cpu?
[05:58] <Newb> ere4si: ok I opened a terminal, nopw what do I check?
[05:58] <ere4si> Newb: type   top   and see if xorg is using alot of cpu
[05:59] <Newb> about 4-16%
[06:01] <Newb> ere4si: page rendering in FF is especially slow... and flash videos in it very slow like 2fps
[06:01] <ere4si> well that's not the issue
[06:01] <ere4si> Newb: can you type   free -m   in a trerminal and check for used mem?.
[06:01] <daftpun1> hey
[06:02] <Daftpunk> hey
[06:02] <ere4si> hi daftpun1 /daftpunk
[06:02] <ere4si> :)
[06:02] <Daftpunk> lol
[06:03] <ere4si> Daftpunk: how's the lamp running?
[06:03] <Daftpunk> It just started to work
[06:03] <Daftpunk> by itself
[06:03] <Daftpunk> i just restarted apache
[06:03] <Daftpunk> and all is fine now
[06:03] <ere4si> great
[06:03] <Daftpunk> i am trying to install phpmyadmin now
[06:04] <Newb> ere4si: typing "f"  takes me to this alphebetical list of selectable options... cant type free -m
[06:04] <Daftpunk> how do I know wich folders have executable path?
[06:04] <ere4si> Newb: why no type?
[06:04] <Newb> ere4si: ill reopen a terminal
[06:05] <Daftpunk> I downloaded rar and I would like to keep it somewhere so I can run it from anywhere.
[06:05] <Daftpunk> Any idea in what folder should I keep it please?
[06:05] <Newb> ere4si: free is 4
[06:05] <ere4si> Daftpunk: Daftpunk there is a rar prog in synaptic - it installs to /usr/bin
[06:06] <Daftpunk> oh ok
[06:06] <ere4si> Newb: can you paste the line that starts -/+ buffers and cache
[06:06] <Newb> ere4si: out of 128 mb, 118 used 4 free
[06:06] <Newb> -/+ buffers/cache:         74         48
[06:08] <ere4si> Newb: can you do the same with firefox open on another workspace?
[06:09] <ere4si> Daftpunk: if you type in a terminal   $PATH    you will see where the terminal looks for executables
[06:11] <Daftpunk> weird it gives me the whole list
[06:11] <Daftpunk> and at the end is no such file or directory
[06:11] <ere4si> Daftpunk: that's for games yes?
[06:11] <Newb> ere4si: -/+ buffers/cache:         88         34
[06:11] <Daftpunk> i think
[06:12] <Daftpunk> I don't remember having games folder
[06:12] <ere4si> Daftpunk: that's why it says no such file
[06:13] <Daftpunk> can you unset that folder?
[06:13] <Newb> ere4si: im on a 400 mhz celeron btw
[06:13] <Daftpunk> it's not important but I am just playing around with everything for the mo
[06:13] <ere4si> Newb: you might be a candidate for a lighter window manager - with 128mb mem and 400mhz cpu - I use and recommend fluxbox - firefox-2 would be lighter as well
[06:14] <ere4si> Daftpunk: if you want to install from source   $PATH   lets you know where to put things :)
[06:15] <Newb> ere4si: ok thanks, do I just get fluxbox through synaptic? and I also heard opera is fast, but i cant find it. I got a .deb and tried unpacking it using the consol but its dependant on other packages I dont have
[06:15] <ere4si> Newb: I would recommend   sudo apt-get install firefox-2 fluxbox
[06:16] <ere4si> Newb: and I would install a lighter login manager - slim is what I use - sudo apt-get install slim && sudo apt-get purge gdm
[06:18] <Newb> ere4si: ok thanks. How can i remove xfce, ff 3, my current login manager afterwards>?
[06:19] <Daftpunk> is there a big difference between Ubuntu and xubuntu?
[06:20] <ere4si> Newb: sudo apt-get purge xubuntu-desktop firefox gdm - ut be warned removing firefox 3 may make ff2 unusable - common libs etc - I would remove ff3 from synaptic and check what else will be removed
[06:20] <Daftpunk> I've just downloaded ebook for ubuntu and I am just wondering whether it will be any good for me having xubuntu on my comp
[06:21] <ere4si> Newb: xubuntu is community developed on the ubuntu distro - not officially supported the last I saw - but they are the same except window managers and some apps
[06:22] <ere4si> Daftpunk: terminal commands and such are the same
[06:23] <Newb> ere4si: gdm is the current login manager?
[06:24] <aldrick> i cant create launchers on avant window manager... is it xfce?
[06:25] <ere4si> Newb: it should be - xubuntu and ubuntu both use gtk
[06:25] <Newb> ere4si: ok how do I use fluxbox instead now?
[06:25] <ere4si> aldrick: no - it is a setup issue from what I know - there are net posts about that - google is our friend
[06:26] <aldrick> coo ill check ty
[06:26] <ere4si> Newb: at the login select sessions and choose fluxbox
[06:26] <Newb> ere4si: thanks very much, again
[06:27] <ere4si> Newb: my pleasure - remember to right click the desktop in flux for a menu
[06:33] <Daftpunk> ﻿ere4si is there a big difference between ubuntu and xubuntu?
[06:33] <ere4si> Daftpunk: of course if the book says to use a command like  sudo gedit - you use gksu mousepad
[06:34] <ere4si> Daftpunk: the apps are lighter on resources - that is the point of xubuntu
[06:34] <Daftpunk> yeah thats what i've been told. i got 1.6 Ghz Celeron and 512 MB ram on my laptop
[06:35] <Daftpunk> So xubuntu is probably better for me
[06:35] <ere4si> should be great on that Daftpunk
[06:35] <Daftpunk> ﻿ere4si I also have 3 GHZ dual core 2 GB ram desktop
[06:36] <Daftpunk> ﻿ere4si and I am planning ubuntu for thatone
[06:36] <ere4si> great - should go well
[06:36] <Daftpunk> ﻿ere4si for the moment xubuntu looks great
[06:37] <ere4si> Daftpunk: and there is xfce-look (I think it is called) if you want to tart it up a bit :)
[06:38] <Daftpunk> ﻿ere4si I knew abut linux for some time now and I was quite sceptic about it, and as I read this book there really was a campaign of fear and doubt.
[06:39] <ere4si> Daftpunk: those that make money from os's have a reason to be scared... :)
[06:39] <Daftpunk> after I've seen ubuntu I think they're in trouble
[06:40] <ere4si> Daftpunk: and think of the money you would spend getting support using commercial os's
[06:41] <ere4si> Newb: :)
[06:41] <Daftpunk> and especially the whole idea of open source
[06:41] <Newb> ere4si: the slim login doesn't seem to have fluxbox :(
[06:41] <ere4si> Newb: if you have removed xubuntu-desktop just login as normal
[06:42] <Newb> ere4si: ok Ill have to remove it. It was sudo apt-get purge xubuntu-desktop?
[06:42] <Daftpunk> ﻿ere4si I have to read more about it.
[06:42] <ere4si> Newb: I did the same as you and don't have that option - I checked on my hardy box after telling you - yep
[06:42]  * ere4si blushes
[06:43] <ere4si> Daftpunk: hard to write a virus if the code is open source
[06:44] <ere4si> Newb: sudo apt-get purge xubuntu-desktop
[06:44] <Newb> ere4si: it says itsnot installed anymore... so I must have removed it... but xfce remains
[06:45] <ere4si> Newb: is it xfce-session at the session option at login?
[06:45] <Newb> yeah
[06:45] <ere4si> Newb: reboot and login without selecting session
[06:48] <Daftpunk> ﻿ere4si I fell in love with sudo apt-get :D
[06:49] <Daftpunk> ﻿ere4si it doesn't really get easier than that
[06:49] <ere4si> Daftpunk: 24000 free apps :)
[06:49] <ere4si> Daftpunk: apt-cache search "prog" is my fav
[06:50] <Daftpunk> what is thatone for?
[06:50] <Daftpunk> i am going to try it
[06:50] <Newb> ere4si: no luck
[06:50] <Daftpunk> what does "su" stand for?
[06:51] <ere4si> Daftpunk: to find the app your after - apt-cache search apache - gives you the right name
[06:51] <Newb> ere4si: there was some message about knytt pre login screen but didn't catch it
[06:52] <ere4si> newbnewbI would reinstall gdm - get it working then switch - it's hard to see from here :)
[06:53] <ere4si> Newb: ^^
[06:53] <Newb> ﻿ere4si: ok, sudo apt-get gdm?
[06:53] <ere4si> Daftpunk: su is an abbreviation for sudo
[06:53] <ere4si> Newb: yep
[06:54] <ere4si> newb and    sudo apt-get purge slim
[06:54] <ere4si> Newb: ^^
[06:57] <Newb> ere4si: E: invalid operation gdm
[06:58] <Daftpunk> is there any eqivalent of MS blue screen of death in linux?
[06:58] <ere4si> Newb: one min
[06:59] <Daftpunk> phpyadmin set up and running
[07:00] <r0b> can anyone tell me where i can find the md5 hash for the xubuntu desktop i386 iso?
[07:00] <ere4si> Newb:    sudo apt-get install gdm   - sorry;)
[07:00] <ere4si> !md5
[07:00] <ere4si> r0b: ^^
[07:01] <r0b> ere4si: thanks but i know how to check the md5 i just need the hash so i make sure mine matches
[07:02] <r0b> i checked here but xubuntu 8.04 isnt listedhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes
[07:02] <ere4si> r0b: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto - will tell you about that
[07:03] <ere4si> I thought - I burn the disk then boot and check...
[07:04] <ere4si> Daftpunk: you might get a prog lockup - but no bsod - I haven't had issues yet
[07:05] <r0b> nevermind i found it on another site, would be nice if ubuntu would include it on their own site
[07:05] <Newb> ere4si: ok now gdm is installing, thanks. As for xfce: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=388202 I read there that I have to use synaptic :(
[07:06] <ere4si> Newb: I still have the xfce-session on my comp - doesn't hurt or get used afaik
[07:07] <ere4si> the latest updates wrecked my panels tho...
[07:07] <Newb> ere4si: ok
[07:08] <Newb> ere4si: getting gdm again gave me this warning: adduser: Warning: The home directory `/var/lib/gdm' does not belong to the user you are currently creating.
[07:08] <Newb> but it seems to have installed fine
[07:09] <^u^> Newb: /var/lib isn't a /home dir... ? - I would reboot and see
[07:12] <^u^> latest updates weren't the best - free -m shows no memory used ...
[07:12] <^u^> well live and learn
[07:25] <Newb> ere4si: yeah much more responsive
[07:25] <Newb> ere4si: thanks a lot
[07:25] <Newb> ere4si: however I can't find FF 2
[07:28] <ere4si> Newb: the command at terminal is  firefox-2  you may need to add an entry to your /fluxbox/menu file
[07:30] <ere4si> Newb: what my .fluxbox/menu file looks like - http://paste.ubuntu.com/10876/
[07:32] <ere4si> Newb: that's from a gutsy box so ff3 doesn' come into it - make firefox firefox-2
[07:34] <Newb> ere4si: ok thanks. How do I find the file?
[07:35] <Newb> ere4si: I opened up thunar
[07:36] <Newb> ere4si: but so many folders in file system I have no clue about
[07:37] <ere4si> Newb: in thunar - view - show hidden files - then your home dir
[07:37] <ere4si> Newb: .fluxbox/menu
[07:45] <Newb> thanks
[07:47] <ere4si> good luck :_
[07:47] <Daftpunk> ﻿ere4si is it possible to set xubintu that it logins automatically to one account?
[07:48] <Daftpunk> ere4si so I dont have to enter username and password when it starts?
[07:52] <ere4si> Daftpunk: I do that on a server I have running xubuntu - I did that a while ago and need a min to remember
[07:53] <ere4si> Daftpunk: system - login - there is an option - you might need to explore - killing things on another box atm :) hehe
[07:55] <Daftpunk> lol
[07:56] <Daftpunk> mmm can't see it
[07:57] <Daftpunk> ere4si I found users and groups but I don't think that's what I am lokking for
[07:57] <Daftpunk> I'll have a look on forums
[08:00] <ere4si> daftit is in an option from the menu - system login
[08:00] <ere4si> oops
[08:09] <Newb> ere4si: I found fluxbox-menu ender etc/X11/fluxbox but I cant save my changes
[08:09] <Newb> ere4si: maybe cause its read only unless in root? can I supply my pass somehow?
[08:09] <Newb> under*
[08:11] <Newb> fluxbox-menu is what the menue file in .fluxbox/ includes
[08:12] <ere4si> Newb: there should be a .fluxbox in your home folder - you might need to logout and in - right click and select restart
[08:14] <Newb> ere4si: there is one, but I want to edit the place ment of a menue item in the original file. Is there anyway I can use root powers to do this?
[08:14] <Newb> ere4si: becuase its read only to non root
[08:15] <ere4si> Newb: in a terminal   gksu mousepad /path/to/file
[08:15] <ere4si> Newb: but the menu file in your .fluxbox in home is the place to do that
[08:22] <Newb> ere4si: thanks alot for everything, im off to sleep
[08:37] <jfcgauss_> ﻿i have xubuntu 8.04 amd64 desktop installed on a laptop. my Start Menu just vanished. how do i bring it back?
[08:42] <chronitis> right click on panel -> add new item -> xfce menu?
[08:42] <chronitis> although this doesn't address why it may have disappeared
[08:43] <zoredache_> jfcgauss_: did the start menu go away or did the entire panel go away?
[08:43] <zoredache_> if the entire panel away you may need to restart xfce4-panel
[08:44] <jfcgauss_> ok thx :) i did try 'Add New Item' but somehow i didnt see it. i dont know y it vanished, maybe i right-clicked-and-deleted so quickly i didnt notice
[08:44] <jfcgauss_> thx
[09:08] <realHans> hi. where do I find ubuntu/install/netboot/pxelinux.0 for xubuntu ?
[09:29] <sdh> sound doesn't work for me in xubuntu hardy, but works fine in ubuntu hardy
[09:29] <sdh> using snd_hda_intel on an ibm thinkpad
[09:29] <sdh> and try as i may, i can't get it working :(
[09:32] <sponix> New sound thing... Umm, what do they call that thing
[09:32] <sponix> Pulse Audio
[09:32] <sponix> ... Buggy yet, imho. Might have to do some crap about setting some crap to pulse audio, or working around it ..
[09:33] <ere4si> sdh: xubuntu uses the same base as ubuntu - so check the basics first pls
[09:33] <sponix> Might google Hardy Pulse Audio, know the ubuntuguide.org made reference to VLC not working at times unless you fiddled with Pulse Audio ;)
[09:33] <sdh> yeah... but pulse isn't even running and i'm just trying to get it to talk to alsa
[09:33] <ere4si> !sound | sdh
[09:34] <sdh> ere4si: my point is that, for some reason, alsa works OOTB in ubuntu but not in xubuntu
[09:34] <sponix> ere4si: good point, probably is something more basic
[09:34] <sdh> ere4si: (for this card, at least)
[09:35] <sponix> sdh: Check that Mixer, and do the basics first, like make sure the Volume is up, and not muted ;)
[09:35] <sdh> i haven't had to manually configure sound since like redhat 5.2
[09:35] <sdh> sponix: i tried that about 5 hours ago :)
[09:36] <sdh> all channels are up, unmuted, alsa sees the card
[09:36] <sdh> no headphones plugged in :)
[09:36] <sdh> ...and yet nothing
[09:36] <sdh> it's most perplexing
[09:36] <sponix> sdh: pack your box up and send it to me !
[09:37] <sdh> heh
[09:50] <realHans> hi. where do I find the pxe install file for pxelinux.0 for xubuntu ?
[09:55] <ere4si> realHans: try this - http://www.ubuntugeek.com/install-ubuntukubuntuedubuntuxubuntu-without-cdrom-drive.html
[09:57] <realHans> I know how to do it, but I don't know where to get the right pxelinux.0 :|
[09:58] <ere4si> realHans: that link uses the alternate iso
[09:58] <ere4si> THIS INSTALLATION METHOD WILL ONLY WORK WITH THE ALTERNATIVE ISO FILES OF UBUNTU/KUBUNTU/XUBUNTU*
[09:58] <ere4si> quote
[09:59] <ere4si> realHans: so d/load the alternate iso
[09:59] <realHans> hmmm ...
[10:00] <realHans> This is my problem. I dont find the (iso)files ...
[10:01] <ere4si> realHans: when you d/load the desktop xubuntu it will be an iso file
[10:02] <ere4si> same with the alternate
[10:02] <realHans> but In the install folder of the iso is no netboot or something folder ...
[10:07] <sdh> ere4si: what do you use to test alsa? mpg321 -o alsa ?
[10:07] <sdh> i meant "what do you suggest i use"
[10:08] <realHans> info: I found its name :: xubuntu-8.04-alternate-i386
[10:08] <ere4si> sdh: aplay for .wav and mpg123 for mp3
[10:08] <sdh> right, that's what i've been using
[10:11] <ere4si> sdh: and typing   alsamixer   and making sure all interfaces are turned up doesn't help?
[10:11] <sdh> ere4si: nope
[10:11] <sdh> it's odd
[10:11] <sdh> aplay -l shows my card ok
[10:12] <ere4si> sdh: and lspci recognises your sound ccard?
[10:12] <sdh> ere4si: yep
[10:12] <ere4si> k
[10:12] <sdh> i am wondering if i've done something stupid, but i donn't think i have
[10:15] <ere4si> sdh: sound is pretty straight forward afaik - you'd need to be smart as to get it not working on purpose :)
[10:16] <sdh> ere4si: like i say, i haven't had a problem (outside of the usual esd/arts faff) for almost 10 years
[10:16] <sdh> even with this specific box
[10:16] <sdh> im beginning to wonder if the speaker has died, heh
[10:16] <ere4si> sdh: does lsmod show something related to your card?
[10:17] <sdh> yes
[10:17] <sdh> the support is there, the card appears in aplay -l
[10:17] <ere4si> sdh: or is the switch on hehe
[10:17] <sdh> :)
[10:18] <sdh> oh well i have to go to work now.. thanks anyway
[11:44] <ere4si> how do i stop whatever the program is from adding to my ~/.thumbnails folder - it's nearly 20mb - I had to write a script to delete it at startup
[11:48] <ere4si> every time I open my home folder it is rebuilt - it is a persistent fartherless child of a thing!
[11:52] <ere4si> *fatherless even :)
[14:03] <platyhelminth> Is Thunar able to see partitions ?
[14:03] <platyhelminth> like nautilus
[14:09] <mistiipu>  iam following http://www.ubuntugeek.com/sharing-internet-connection-in-ubuntu.html done for eth1 (client) eth4 dsl connection. http://pastebin.com/m4bdf9f3a i configured for eth1 and its not working itself. link is up on client. but a cross on computer connection on server.       instead eth2 is working fine.  any help please ???
[14:18] <suriro> platyhelminth: you mean the Places menu showing HD partitions in Gnome? I also wonder what sets/controls that in Gnome...
[14:18] <platyhelminth> Is Thunar able to see partitions ? like nautilus
[14:18] <platyhelminth> he
[15:15] <Hannz> hello?
[15:17] <Hannz> anybody?
[15:21] <Hannz> somebody?
[15:28] <TheSheep> Hannz: how can we help you?
[15:29] <Hannz> hi there
[15:29] <Hannz> thank you for replying
[15:29] <Hannz> posted a thread at networking and wireless about an hour ago
[15:29] <Hannz> havent got any replies thought
[15:30] <Hannz> so i thought i'd check this channel
[15:30]  * TheSheep doesn't read the forums
[15:30] <TheSheep> Hannz: got a link?
[15:30] <Hannz> i'm connected to my office network
[15:30] <Hannz> okay
[15:31] <Hannz> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=786615
[15:32] <TheSheep> Hannz: what protocol do you use do connect to that file server?
[15:32] <TheSheep> Hannz: windows netwrok?
[15:33] <Hannz> TheSheep: yes
[15:33] <Hannz> TheSheep: Ubuntu got no problem connecting
[15:34] <TheSheep> Hannz: thunar can't browse windows network by itself, like nautilus does
[15:34] <TheSheep> Hannz: you can use fuse-smb tough to mount network shares into directories
[15:35] <TheSheep> then you can access them normally
[15:36] <Hannz> TheSheep: okay, i get the idea. does that mean i have to install the fuse-smb and then editing my fstab?>
[15:37] <TheSheep> yes there should be howtos on the forums
[15:37] <TheSheep> search fr xubuntu and samba
[15:37] <TheSheep> for
[15:38] <Hannz> okay :)
[15:38] <Hannz> i'm getting on it
[15:38] <Stroganoff> Hannz: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=304131
[15:38] <Stroganoff> no need to edit fstab
[15:38] <TheSheep> cool
[15:39] <Hannz> Stroganoff: thank you! saves my time to search for the appropriate thread :)
[15:40] <Hannz> wow that thread is very good! i'm getting on it :)
[15:41] <Stroganoff> in the end it comes down to this:
[15:41] <Stroganoff> http://pastebin.com/mff775c
[15:41] <Stroganoff> plus adding 'fusesmb /media/network' to your startup items
[15:47] <mistiipu> i followed http://www.ubuntugeek.com/sharing-internet-connection-in-ubuntu.html but it didnt worked for me. how can i revert?
[15:56] <floating> im going to install win xp now over my xubuntu. i looked at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows but on the 2nd example, the guy does fdisk -l and he seemingly has a boot partition.. a very small one in the begin of disk. when i do fdisk -l , i dont have such small partition, and i think i dont have that kind of partition at all
[15:56] <floating> so i am worried on doing that thing on example 1
[15:58] <floating> i have a /boot/ where is grub too but that isnt listed as its own partition in fdisk -l
[15:58] <Stroganoff> just use the SuperGrub livecd to recover grub
[15:59] <floating> argh i wouldnt want to
[15:59] <floating> that messed up my system last time
[16:00] <Stroganoff> mmmh
[16:00] <floating> thats why im scared now.. it said something like processing... or doing.. and got stuck there
[16:00] <Hannz> floating: if it's possible, maybe you should install winxp first, then xubuntu..
[16:01] <floating> its not possible
[16:01] <floating> i have already tweaked this so much that i wouldnt want to reinstall
[16:02] <Hannz> floating: okay.. understand your feeling.. :P
[16:04] <floating> i guess i take a "risk" .. i just dont understand all the buzz on it..
[16:05] <floating> so i have a grub in my linux root partition and not in mbr right now ? i install win xp and it installs the win bootloader to mbr. then i go to recover grub, but it recovers it into the linux root partition and not overwrite the win in mbr... and i get stuck again
[16:05] <floating> thats what i dont get
[16:06] <floating> plus other things, like why the super grub boot loader hang last time..
[16:07] <Hannz> sorry i can't help.. i'm new to (x)ubuntu..
[16:56] <mistiipu_> i think i need tc command. i read the man. but it gave me headaches.         i need eth1+eth2=20k/s dl limit and 4k upload       and i dont want any eth user to consume all the trafic (while both eth1 and eth2 are online) and drain bandwidth from the other. any help?
[17:00] <cody-somerville> ermm...
[17:05] <mistiipu_>  i followed http://www.ubuntugeek.com/sharing-internet-connection-in-ubuntu.html and its working. but only when firestarter is disabled. why so and how can i share internet while firestater is running ?
[17:06] <zoredache> getting traffic shapping working tends to be very difficult
[17:07] <zoredache> if you primarily care about http traffic you can use squid to enforce the limits then firewall everything else off
[17:20] <Hannz> TheSheep: hello?
[17:24] <Daftpun1> hi
[17:25] <suriro> mistiipu_: why dont you use firestarter for ICS?
[17:29] <daftpun1> hey everyone
[17:29] <daftpun1> !xfc
[17:29] <daftpun1> !panel
[17:30] <daftpun1> !sudo
[17:30] <daftpun1> !su
[17:30] <zoredache> did you need something daftpun1?
[17:30] <daftpun1> just playing around, thanks
[17:30] <daftpun1> a little chat maybe
[17:31] <daftpun1> I used linux for 3 days so far
[17:31] <daftpun1> so i am trying to learn what I can
[17:31] <zoredache> ah,
[17:32] <daftpun1> but I love it for the moment
[17:32] <zoredache> You couldcan introgate ubottu in a PM if you like.  You can also use the !search command to find topics that aren't named very well
[17:32] <zoredache> !search su
[17:32] <zoredache> !botsnack
[17:33] <daftpun1> Last time I saylol
[17:33] <daftpun1> lol
[17:33] <daftpun1> did you just feed him a snack?
[17:33] <daftpun1> lol
[17:33] <zoredache> yes
[17:34] <daftpun1> so the only thing now I haven't seen is snake on a bicycle
[17:34] <daftpun1> :D
[17:34] <zoredache> you should go !moo at dpkg in #debian.  It is even more entertaining
[17:35] <zoredache> !moo
[17:35] <zoredache> :'(
[17:35] <Chrysalis> xfce should be the default for ubuntu
[17:36] <Chrysalis> agree?
[17:36] <TheSheep> Chrysalis: no
[17:36] <zoredache> I do not...
[17:37] <daftpun1> !xfce
[17:37] <daftpun1> !gnome
[17:41] <Chrysalis> i dont know, i just finally feel at home, gnome and kde feel like unneeded bloat
[17:41] <Chrysalis> nothing wrong with them, and its good to have a choice
[17:41] <Chrysalis> but as default xfce makes more sence, whereas gnome and kde are like extra bloat
[17:42] <zoredache> the fact that some people like windows and mac osx seems to prove that there is a desire for a certain ammount of bloat
[17:42] <daftpun1> where are you guys from?
[17:44] <daftpun1> I am in the uk, it seem to me that linux is not a very popular platform here
[17:45] <Chrysalis> i would assume that applies to any country
[17:45] <Chrysalis> thats why you gotta get the word out ;p
[17:45] <daftpun1> I was buying a laptop recently and the store could not tell me if it's linux friendly or not
[17:46] <daftpun1> I didn't want some Vista crap again
[17:48] <daftpun1> Last time I ve seen linux was in 2001. And I was quite sceptic about it. But as I read the doco now it really was a FUD campaign
[17:48] <Chrysalis> everyone you ask on the street pretty much thinks of linux distros are doing everything from the terminal still
[17:48] <daftpun1> that's it
[17:48] <daftpun1> I was so suprised when I saw Xubuntu
[17:49] <daftpun1> I still do lots of stuff from terminal thou but it can't be more simple
[17:50] <daftpun1> It seems to me now like windows is making lots of things very simple for users
[17:51] <daftpun1> and they have no idea how the system works and are therefore dependent on their support
[17:51] <Chrysalis> for just internet, mail, word etc which is pretty much all people do on a computer you dont need to ever see the terminal
[17:52] <Chrysalis> my grandmother can use linux, just need someone to set it up for her
[17:52] <daftpun1> Another problem is habit
[17:52] <daftpun1> that many people got used to use windows and are not very keen on learning something new
[17:53] <daftpun1> it;s
[17:53] <Chrysalis> i think its more about having all your favorite programs working
[17:53] <daftpun1> you can make it look the same
[17:54] <Chrysalis> and the sore part (why they dont sell linux boxes) is pretty much marketing so you can go back and buy software instead of having it for free
[17:54] <daftpun1> Is all soft for free on linux?
[17:54] <daftpun1> Is there some1 selling software for linux?
[17:54] <zoredache> you can pay for software to run both run linux, and run on linux
[17:54] <zoredache> see redhat and cedega as examples
[17:55] <daftpun1> are redhat and cedega not free distros?
[17:56] <zoredache> redhat is an enterprise distrobution that many people pay for to get support.  Cedega is a windows-emulation tool that allows many games to run under linux
[17:56] <daftpun1> what I loved about linux is when you need some application
[17:57] <daftpun1> just go to terminal sudo apt-get install hit enter done!
[17:57] <Chrysalis> yep, also, add/remove is pretty cool, type in what you need and finds you apps for it
[17:58] <daftpun1> no buying software in store, on the internet (not that I have ever done it :D ), I meant no cracking no serials keygens
[17:58] <daftpun1> add/remove s cool
[17:59] <daftpun1> who is acually in charge of development of linux?
[17:59] <zoredache> everyone
[18:00] <zoredache> there is no central authority
[18:00] <daftpun1> Who gets to decide how the distribution will look like
[18:00] <Chrysalis> canonical?
[18:00] <daftpun1> so you just customize it how you see fit and then share it with others
[18:00] <zoredache> in the case of Ubuntu you are looking at the motu for the most part I believe
[18:00] <zoredache> !motu
[18:01] <daftpun1> alright i read about canonical somewhere
[18:02] <zoredache> but you too could participate in development.  Simply join some of the development mail lists or channesl then wade in and help where you are able
[18:02] <daftpun1> I think I read something like that in the forum
[18:03] <daftpun1> I was thinking about it lol :D but with 3 days experience and almost no Idea how should this system work I don't know if I will be of much help
[18:03] <daftpun1> But I am reading forums all the time
[18:03] <daftpun1> learning something new all the time
[18:04] <zoredache> helping in the forums, or submitting tips is help.  Trying to get up to speed so you could answer questions here is help
[18:04] <zoredache> Submitting bug reports for things you don't believe work correctly is help
[18:04] <daftpun1> mmm thats lovely
[18:04] <zoredache> there are tons of things that even a new user can do to help open source and Linux if they are motivated enough.
[18:04] <Chrysalis> btw, whats the button on the task bar to the left for?
[18:05] <Chrysalis> the one that doesnt do anything when i click it ;p
[18:05] <zoredache> Chrysalis: I don't believe I have that button
[18:06] <Chrysalis> with the little circle in it, basically on every window to the left by the dropdown menu
[18:06] <daftpun1> I was suprised how many people were actually happy to help me with the questions i had
[18:06] <daftpun1> over last week or so
[18:06] <zoredache> Chrysalis: ah, that is gernally called the 'title' bar... that circle pins the window so it shows up on all workspaces
[18:06] <daftpun1> lol that button was one of my first questions
[18:06] <daftpun1> now I KNOW HOW IT WORKS
[18:07] <Chrysalis> ahh, yes
[18:08] <daftpun1> Yeah it's amazing
[18:08] <daftpun1> how far has this system gottem
[18:08] <daftpun1> I will definitely encourage people to try it
[18:08] <daftpun1> at least try it
[18:09] <daftpun1> For the moment I got my pink glasses on
[18:10] <daftpun1> I hope I will be able to keep them for a long time
[18:10] <daftpun1> what about graphical apps like photoshop on MAC or PC
[18:11] <daftpun1> is there any open source equivalent?
[18:11] <Chrysalis> gimp
[18:11] <zoredache> or gimpshop
[18:11] <Chrysalis> or you can use windows apps under wine
[18:11] <daftpun1> how good is wine actually?
[18:12] <zoredache> it depends on the age, and where the fruit was grown
[18:12] <daftpun1> i heard people are playing like unreal tournament :D
[18:12] <daftpun1> lol
[18:12] <mistiipu> i followed http://www.ubuntugeek.com/sharing-internet-connection-in-ubuntu.html and its working. but only when firestarter is disabled. why so and how can i share internet while firestater is running ?
[18:12] <daftpun1> winE
[18:13] <daftpun1> win Emulator
[18:13] <Chrysalis> it depends on the app i guess, some apps run fine some dont, the only reason i have it is foobar
[18:13] <daftpun1> if you run halflife 2 on wine what will happen
[18:14] <daftpun1> I got dual boot with xp pro so I don't realle need wine
[18:15] <Chrysalis> yea
[18:15] <zoredache> yes I am pretty sure people have gotten half life to run
[18:15] <daftpun1> probably but what's the point
[18:16] <daftpun1> its like pushing the car
[18:16] <Chrysalis> for some reason linux is still in the stone age audio wise so i sorta need my foobar2k
[18:16] <daftpun1> and for a while you're happy when you go down the hill
[18:16] <Chrysalis> for everything else i just switch to my windows dualboot
[18:16] <daftpun1> but it's not designed to be pushed
[18:17] <daftpun1> is GNOME also a dev enviroment?
[18:17] <Chrysalis> yea
[18:17] <daftpun1> and thats like normal c/c++
[18:18] <daftpun1> or does it use completely different programming language?
[18:19] <zoredache> gnome is a window framwork... In you programming language you tell gnome where to put the windows
[18:20] <zoredache> it some ways it is similar to the windows api, or to mfc
[18:20] <zoredache> though it is also a lot different
[18:20] <daftpun1> never heard of mfc
[18:20] <daftpun1> !mfc
[18:21] <zoredache> it is a Microsoft programming api.  you won't learn about it here
[18:22] <daftpun1> Is there an Internet explorer for linux :D?
[18:22] <daftpun1> the internet explorer
[18:23] <zoredache> I believe some people have managed to get older versions of IE to run under wine
[18:23] <mistiipu> i followed http://www.ubuntugeek.com/sharing-internet-connection-in-ubuntu.html and its working. but only when firestarter is disabled. why so and how can i share internet while firestater is running ? 2nd it was sharing internet. i rebooted all pcs. and its not sharing now. why so?
[18:23] <daftpun1> I thought of this as a good funny question as a newbie
[18:24] <daftpun1> i am going to #ubuntu ask somebody :D just or fun
[18:24] <daftpun1> MS IE 7.0
[18:29] <rdehler> i upgraded from gutsy to hardy and lost my orage calendar, anyone have this issue?
[18:29] <realhans> Hi. What is so special about the 'alternative' ubuntu iso files ?
[18:30] <zoredache> realhans: it will run on a computer with only 32mb of ram.  If you choose the expert mode you will have extreme ammount of control,  if you know what you are doing you can actually write a seed file that you can use to create repeatable installs
[18:30] <Chrysalis> i think it also doesnt run as live cd
[18:31] <Chrysalis> could be wrong
[18:31] <realhans> we are talking about the ubuntu 'special' iso files, not about xubuntu ?
[18:31] <realhans> not special, i mean 'alternative'
[18:31] <Chrysalis> i think hes talkinga bout the torrent iso downloads
[18:31] <zoredache> the alternate cd is pretty much the same across all the *buntus.  The only difference tends to be in the seed file that it is included and which packages are on the disk
[18:32] <realhans> ah :) thank you ...
[18:32] <realhans> .. to all
[18:33] <Newoob> what difference can you see as a user between ubuntu and xubuntu?
[18:33] <Chrysalis> i think its basically not a full cd with all packages and used for upgrading from older versions and doesnt run as live cd etc
[18:33] <rdehler> i got the calendar back, it was in a different location
[18:34] <Chrysalis> i remember reading detailed info about it somewhere but cant find it right now
[18:34] <zoredache> !alternate
[18:35] <daftpun1> can anybody please recommend good download manager like flashget on windows
[18:35] <daftpun1> ?
[18:39] <Chrysalis> deftput1 for torrents?
[18:39] <realhans> downthemall as Mozilla plugin is excellent ... works for all OS'
[18:40] <realhans> I use it since years ...
[18:48] <floating> hi. i tried to install win xp after i had installed xubuntu. the install process keeps looping the loading the setup files and restart machine, if i remove cd, it gives invalid partition table. now i booted with xubuntu live cd, and tried to fix grub, but i get  Running "install /boot/grub/stage1 (hd0) (hd0)1+16 p (hd0,5)/boot/grub/stage2
[18:48] <floating> /boot/grub/menu.lst"... failed
[18:48] <floating> Error 12: Invalid device requested
[18:48] <GryzorX> hi guys, has anyone experienced troubles installing xubuntu-desktop (8.04 LTS) ? I get a "cyan" background when trying to start XFCE session; however Gnome session works fine. Any ideas where to look? From Gnome Session, starting thunar, xfce4-panel and such, work fine. (i.e.: they launch). I installed using Synaptic. (Ubuntu 8.04LTS here)
[18:48] <mistiipu> i followed http://www.ubuntugeek.com/sharing-internet-connection-in-ubuntu.html and its working. but only when firestarter is disabled. why so and how can i share internet while firestater is running ? 2nd it was sharing internet. i rebooted all pcs. and its not sharing now. why so?
[18:49] <floating> hmm and the reason is probably that the /boot/grub/ doesnt exists, because it is in the partition of my linux, and not a separate partition, and that xubuntu root is not moutned now
[18:49] <GryzorX> xubuntu-desktop appears to be correctly installed, however when login-in using Xfce session, the screen stays blue (cyan), and I have to ctrl-alt-backspace.
[18:55] <GryzorX> I guess nobody knows :)
[19:04] <Stroganoff> what?
[19:04] <GryzorX> i get troubles installing xubuntu-desktop on top of ubuntu 8.04
[19:05] <GryzorX> i did it through synaptic
[19:05] <GryzorX> (xubutu-desktop)
[19:05] <GryzorX> restarted. Then login and selected Xfce session. But all I get is a cyan screen (the default xfce back color I presume)
[19:05] <GryzorX> gnome works fine
[19:05] <GryzorX> in fact from gnome I can launch thunar and xfce4-panel and such from the terminal.
[19:06] <GryzorX> but the session is not starting, and I don't know why
[19:06] <GryzorX> i have to ctrl-alt-backspace to go back to login
[19:07] <Stroganoff> can u press alt+f2 while logged in xfce-session`?
[19:08] <GryzorX> i can try that right now, as (x)ubuntu is right beside me.
[19:08] <GryzorX> well..
[19:08] <GryzorX> you're probably not going to believe it
[19:08] <GryzorX> but... it just started
[19:09] <GryzorX> (I haven't touch anything)
[19:09] <GryzorX> :S
[19:09] <GryzorX> Maybe it "takes time" ?
[19:09] <GryzorX> (but I left it for 5 minutes while I was making tea) however it now started.
[19:11] <GryzorX> so weird, anyways, thank you :)
[19:17] <Stroganoff> Oo
[19:19] <GryzorX> you wouldn't believe it :)
[19:20] <floating> hmm i just mounted a ext3 with mount -t ext3 /dev/hda2 /mnt/root but i cant write there from the live cd why
[19:21] <GryzorX> i logged out and when logged back in, it doesn't work anymore :S
[19:21] <GryzorX> alt-f2 doesn't do anything
[19:21] <zoredache> floating: you probably don't have rights on that filesystem
[19:22] <floating> hmm actually i can write there, but when i try sudo cat /mnt/root/boot/grub/menu.lst >> /mnt/root/home/ville/backups/menulist
[19:22] <floating> bash: /mnt/root/home/ville/backups/menulist: Permission denied
[19:22] <floating> i just edited the file menulist just before
[19:23] <zoredache> when you use sudo the redirection operators still are using the regular users effective permssions
[19:23] <floating> how would i do this
[19:23] <zoredache> so your '>>' is trying to write as a dweeb user
[19:23] <GryzorX> well, I guess I'll have to go back to Gnome :S
[19:23] <zoredache> why not just sudo cp src dst
[19:23] <floating> ah ye :(
[19:23] <floating> )
[19:28] <floating> ... now the 2nd method here also failed to get my grub back :(
[19:28] <floating> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/root /dev/sda
[19:28] <floating> The file /mnt/root/boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly.
[19:28] <floating> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[19:31] <GryzorX> Stroganoff: any ideas? :)
[19:32] <Stroganoff> rm -rf ~/.config/xfce-session or something like this (I dont have xubuntu installed)
[19:33] <GryzorX> it's xfce4-session (for the record) ;) let's see
[19:34] <GryzorX> no luck
[19:34] <GryzorX> same blank screen
[19:34] <CRAZY_SCIENTIST> hi all
[19:34] <GryzorX> hi CRAZY_SCIENTIST
[19:35] <CRAZY_SCIENTIST> can someone tell me please where i can get the powerpc 8.04 version for the ps3?
[19:36] <CRAZY_SCIENTIST> anyone?
[19:37] <GryzorX> i haven't got a clue.
[19:37] <CRAZY_SCIENTIST> damn
[19:55] <Chrysalis> in gnome with nautilus i could find my partitions/drives to mount them in 'my computer' theres no 'my computer' in thunar. . . where do i find my partitions/drives to mount them
[19:56] <zoredache> That feature doesn't really exist in Thunar
[19:57] <Chrysalis> ok, so where do i go to mount my stuff
[19:58] <zoredache> a terminal
[19:59] <zoredache> Some people also have created some interesting scripts to mount things.  Some people get that behavior with autofs
[19:59] <Chrysalis> ok, they gonna show in desktop at /media?
[19:59] <Chrysalis> or use /mnt
[20:00] <daftpun1> can somebody recommend some good download manager something? like flashget on xp?
[20:00] <GryzorX> Speed Download
[20:00] <GryzorX> sorry, wrong chanel
[20:00] <GryzorX> *channel
[20:02] <Chrysalis> daftpun1: i think someone suggested downthemall earlier (firefox extension)
[20:02] <Chrysalis> as a 'download manager'
[20:03] <Chrysalis> for torrents you already have transmission or deluge if you want something more advanced and amule for ed2k
[20:04] <daftpun1> something for rapidshare
[20:04] <zoredache> you could also try researching the packages returned by - apt-cache search http download manager
[20:07] <daftpun1> lovely thanks
[20:19] <floating> Stroganoff: remember when i told about the risk that i take for installing win xp
[20:19] <Stroganoff> yep
[20:20] <floating> earlier today... now i tried to install it and the win install got stuck because i had another ntfs for c: and it installed boot.ini in that place... if i removed win cd and booted, i got invalid partition table error. then boot with xubu live cd and try fix grub, but none of the methods work :o(
[20:21] <floating> so i had my bad luck again... now i wonder how i could reinstall windows and xubuntu so that this wont happen again
[20:22] <floating> i guess i can remove everything except one ntfs drive which is coinsidently assigned as c: to make things worse :(
[20:22] <floating> just need to install liek 20h of stuff to get back where i am now
[20:37] <floating> is there a way to write to ntfs partition from live-cd without the ntfs-3g app ?
[20:37] <zoredache> I don't think so...
[20:38] <zoredache> ntfs-3g is really the only semi-safe way to write to an ntfs filesystem
[20:41] <Stroganoff> i use knoppix when needing a livecd
[20:44] <maxamillion> knoppix is alright but its become more focused on their liveDVD release .... i've moved on to fedora community spins for liveCD needs
[21:06] <daftpun1> any1 has experience with d4s? downloader for X?
[21:16] <kingair_six> hi, I got a little problem here with my wifi, its a pcmcia card from belkin and I try to connect to my openly broadcasted network with WEP encryption. using hardy. the interface doesnt recognize the network as it does on this computer, any suggestions? thanks for the help!
[21:29] <squalor> I'm getting graphic artifacts on refresh rates over 60, but under the display panel, there's no 1024x768@60. Any ideas?
[21:30] <Chrysalis>  theres something freaky going on with my panel, added volume and now i cant right click it to get rid of it
[21:30] <zoredache> Crazytales: try right clicking close to the bottem or left edge... some things are difficult to select
[21:31] <Crazytales> zoredache: wha?
[21:32] <zoredache> Try to click on the edge of the volume control
[21:39] <Chrysalis> nope, either getting pannel or some invisible separator to be removed
[21:41] <Chrysalis> got it finally, nm lol
[22:23] <do> test
[22:24] <do> anyone here also having problems with the compositor in version 8.04 ... cant get it to work
[22:27] <maxamillion> do: you have the compositing extension enabled in xorg.conf?
[22:28] <do> maxamillion: yes
[22:28] <maxamillion> do: since you enabled those, have you restarted your X session?
[22:28] <do> maxamillion: i even rebooted the computer
[22:29] <maxamillion> hmmm...
[22:53] <sprauerkraut> okay, so i think my broadcom wireless card is working, only the card appears to be "DISABLED" as the "lshw" util tells me
[22:53] <sprauerkraut> any thoughts?
[22:54] <sprauerkraut> xubuntu 8.04
[22:54] <sprauerkraut> bcm4306
[23:04] <kingair_six> hello, as posted 'couple of minutes ago, the problem with the Belkin 7010 PCMCIA card has been reported as a bug for ubuntu and reportedly solved since version 7.04. however, with hardy heron xubuntu i get the same problem : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/95930
[23:42] <LetsGo67> Anyone knows how to do mashup music?