[02:34] <suba> Has anyone tried to get compiz working on ltsp and gotten the error "No whitelisted driver found"?   I'm using the Intel driver, which is whitelisted in /usr/bin/compiz.
[07:44] <alvin```> help
[07:46] <alvin```> What is good authentication with timer for ubuntu?
[14:29] <ampex> just setup ubuntu 8.04 from the alternate installer and added the edubuntu content via the extra cd
[14:29] <ampex> I have a pc attached to the second nic of this edubuntu box and it's booting via PXE, but I can't seem to get a resolution that my LCD likes
[14:29] <ampex> I've tried multiple PCs and two different LCDs with different native resolutions
[14:30] <ampex> I've also tried editing the /etc/ltsp.conf in the chroot for the thin client image and added an X_MODE_0 = "1440x900"
[14:30] <ampex> still doesn't seem to work properly
[14:30] <ampex> if I add a user to the thin client image and login via ctrl+alt+f1 I can then run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and get ldm to start up with an 800x600 resolution, but it seems that there is no way to change that after the fact
[14:31] <ampex> I don't fully understand xrandr or how ubuntu 8.04 handles desktop resolutions, so I'm a bit stumped
[14:31] <ampex> any ideas?
[14:34] <ogra> wrong place :) lts.conf needs to sit under /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/
[14:38] <ampex> ok, let met go try that
[14:38] <ampex> s/met/me/
[14:40] <ampex> ogra: do I need a [default] at the top of the .conf ? the X_MODE_0 is my only line right now
[14:40] <ogra> yes, you need default
[14:41] <ampex> so the documentation is wrong?
[14:41] <ogra> ?
[15:35] <ampex> http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edubuntu/handbook/C/customizing-thin-client.html
[15:35] <ampex> So, LTSP.org devised a way of specifying the configuration of each thin client. The configuration file is called lts.conf and it lives in the  /opt/ltsp/i386/etc  directory.
[15:35] <ampex> nvm, it is explained later in the document
[15:40] <cberl1> Hi folks.  Can anyone help me decipher what's going on with my edubuntu server?  It's 6.06 based, and it's been running about two years now.  I have one subnet running from it without a hitch (let's call it 10.1.x.x) and I'm trying to get another connected from 10.2.x.x.  I have my switches configured to point back to the server (which uses Windows to get it's DHCP, but the TFTP file settings are correct to point back to the LTSP server).  Instead of logg
[15:42] <cberl1> I think it might help our network guy here if anyone can decipher what the "My IP Address seems to be...ip=x.x.x.x:x.x.x.x" stuff means.
[16:45] <fsgaston> Does anybody know why the Thin Client manager crashes in 8.04 64 bit, is their something Iḿ missing?
[16:50] <stgraber> fsgaston: tcm is no longer used in 8.04
[16:51] <stgraber> not sure why it breaks, but nobody tested it afaik
[18:10] <fsgaston> stgraber, do you have a replacement option, just curious
[18:35] <stgraber> fsgaston: italc
[18:35] <stgraber> it's the new default classroom management software in Edubuntu
[18:47] <ampex> is it possible to access the classroom server from an attached PC without booting the image?
[18:47] <ampex> from windows or linux?
[18:47] <ampex> like a remote desktop connection of some sort?
[18:47] <NiceNerd> hi all
[18:48] <stgraber> ampex: you probably can use VNC for that, gnome has an integrated VNC server
[18:49] <stgraber> ampex: but you'll need to keep a user session opened
[18:49] <ampex> fair enough, thanks
[18:50] <ampex> is it possible to keep user sessions open, but then log on as someone else from a thin client?
[18:50] <ampex> can users jump between thin clients and keep their work/programs open?
[18:51] <fsgaston> In LTSP - students can access their USB drive, but they see all of the USB drives mounted, how do I fix this so they only see theirs?
[18:52] <ogra> fsgaston, i posted an answer to that in #ltsp to you half an hour ago
[18:54] <fsgaston> ogra, my apologizes, I should have seen that, child distractions.   Thanks again, will look into it.
[18:55] <NiceNerd> I am looking at putting edubuntu in our schools but wanted to know how much of a hassle to get a novell client to work
[18:55] <NiceNerd> anyone try this?
[18:55] <NiceNerd> I have been reading that it is a little tricky to get it to work
 --If the novell client is very important, I would go with SLED 10 SP1 or Opensuse 10.2
[18:59] <NiceNerd> yeah I was hoping you wouldnt say that
[19:00] <NiceNerd> :D
 I work with 150 schools in Indiana, many Novell, so I have tried hacking the client a few times.
[19:00] <NiceNerd> no luck with it?
 You don´t have to buy SLED, you can download it do 30 days of update and download again if you need it.
[19:00] <fsgaston> <Nice Nerd> With which version?
[19:01] <NiceNerd> oh that wasnt with Ubuntu
[19:01] <NiceNerd> you said you tried hacking it I figured it was for Ubuntu
[19:01] <fsgaston> <Nice Nerd> The Novell client with SP1 is broken, download the latest version or wait for SP2, which will be out soon.
[19:02] <fsgaston> <I tried hacking with Opensuse 10.3
[19:02] <NiceNerd> oh ok
[19:02] <fsgaston> <Novell keeps their products as reasonable closed as possible
[19:03] <NiceNerd> Well it might be a good excuse to get rid of this Novell 5 server then
[19:03] <NiceNerd> thanks for the info
 A lot of schools are migrating to Novell Open Enterprise or SLES?
[19:03] <NiceNerd> really
[19:04] <NiceNerd> might be something to look  into
[19:04] <ogra> really ?
[19:04] <ogra> where is that documented ?
[19:04]  * ogra only sees people migrating to debian based o ubuntu setups everywhere
[19:04] <ogra> s/o/or/
[19:04] <fsgaston> This is in reference to schools using Netware currently and wanting to stick with Novell
[19:04] <ogra> ah
[19:05] <ogra> o thoght toward SLES from something
[19:05] <NiceNerd>  so does the open source work with Ubuntu then
[19:05] <fsgaston> No  no, I try to promote as open as possible, but with 30,000 plus linux desktops in the state you have to be flexible.
[19:05] <ogra> "the open source" ?
[19:06] <NiceNerd> Novell
[19:06] <fsgaston> None commercial versions.
[19:06] <ogra> ah, no idea
[19:06] <NiceNerd> hmmm
[19:06] <ogra> i only have ubuntu around
 does the Novell Client work on Ubuntu, I don´t think so from what I hear
[19:08] <ogra> is that only for accessing files or for login
[19:08] <ogra> you can easily mount ncpfs volumes afaik
 for access files and Novell Maped drives from their Netware LDAP context.
[19:09] <NiceNerd> hmmm I havent created login scripts for Ubuntu or any linux distro
[19:09] <NiceNerd> is that possible
[19:09] <fsgaston> Most schools I work with authenticate against AD
[19:09] <NiceNerd> Yeah
[19:09] <NiceNerd> I consult for 2 schools
[19:10] <NiceNerd> one is AD the other Linux
[19:10] <NiceNerd> I mean Novell
[19:10] <NiceNerd> :D
 I would recommend LIkewise for Ubuntu
[19:10] <NiceNerd> Yeah I was just reading about that
[19:10] <fsgaston> Novell does make the AD very easy with Opensuse and SLED
[19:10] <NiceNerd> Well of course they do
[19:11] <NiceNerd> its big bad MS
[19:11] <fsgaston> I agree, but you can´t change things overnight.
[19:12] <NiceNerd> Well I agree
[19:13] <ogra> well, bets is to set it up free from the beginning
[19:14] <ogra> if you look at spain i.e. guadalinex maintains 500 000 desktops in andalucia on an ubuntu derived distro
[19:14] <fsgaston> Tough battle, when some schools depend 100% on a vendor, what the vendor says goes!
[19:14] <ogra> extremadura just added a 150000 user ltsp setup
[19:15] <ogra> the canary islands build their own ubuntu derived distro managing 200000 installs
[19:15] <ogra> all centrally magaged
[19:15] <ogra> (school stups indeed)
[19:15] <ogra> *setups
 Do they use the Ubuntu managment product on the commercial side?
[19:16] <ogra> no, ldap and friends
 That is awesom, how many servers, do you know?
[19:17] <ogra> no special tools or anything they have some huge ldap clusters
 Do you run LTSP at your location?
[19:18] <ogra> when we were shown the setup a year ago it were 160 server (andalucia) but back then they only had 360000 desktops
[19:18] <ogra> fsgaston, i wrote most of it and yes i run it at my house but have no bigger setup myself :)
[19:19] <stgraber> ogra: btw, if you happen to know some networks deploying Ubuntu 8.04 with italc, can you point them to : http://italc.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?title=Success_stories
[19:19] <stgraber> Toby would like some stats, currently it's almost 100% Windows users ...
[19:19] <ogra> i've put it in my bookmarks :)
  The crazy thing is many schools in Indiana use ITALC, but Iḿ trying to encourage them to donate.
 Do you have a good way to manage printers in LTSP, ie printer by hostname etc
[19:21]  * LaserJock is intrigued and somewhat disturbed to find that he can "read" his data when written as a binary file
[19:22] <ogra> LaserJock, what data ? chem stuff ?
[19:22] <LaserJock> yeah
[19:22] <LaserJock> I just switched from writting my data out as ASCII to binary
[19:22] <LaserJock> and so I thought I'd less it to see what it looks like
[19:23] <ogra> fsgaston, sadly not yet, i was planning to have something that sets the default to automatically point to the client if a printer is detected but never came around to write it
 Okay, do you do any consulting?  If so how much?
[19:23] <ogra> currently you need to use the printer manager and add every printer once
[19:24] <stgraber> ogra: Millexterm has the cups-printer-filter which hooks the libc to show a different list of printers depending on some filters
[19:24] <ogra> no, i work for canonical which hogs about 14h a day on six days of the week
[19:24] <stgraber> but not working with Hardy for some weird reason
[19:25] <ogra> so there is not really time left to do consuling :)
 okay
 Thanks for the tip, will take a look.
[19:26] <juliux> ogra, good luck on the grill;)
[19:26] <stgraber> you'd have to fix it and adapt for your environment, but the idea is there and code is clean enough to easily understand it
[19:26] <ogra> juliux, at linuxtag you mean ?
[19:26] <juliux> ogra, yes
[19:26] <juliux> ogra, i am reading the offical program atm
[19:26] <ogra> we'll probably do it in german this time
[19:27] <ogra> ah
[19:27] <ogra> depending how any german speaking devs we get together, last year it was a slight english speaker overhead
[19:27] <juliux> ogra, only you and torsten? ;)
[19:27] <ogra> s/any/many/
[19:27] <stgraber> fsgaston: https://svn.revolutionlinux.com/MILLE/XTERM/branches/ltsp-cluster/cups-client-filter/
[19:28] <ogra> juliux, only me
[19:28] <juliux> ogra, cool
[19:28] <ogra> torsten doesnt come
[19:28] <juliux> ogra, i will grill you;9
[19:28] <ogra> haha
[19:28] <ogra> well, that ony means i'm leading, like last year we'll collect all available dev on stage :)
[19:29] <ogra> *devs
[19:29] <juliux> torsten said the whole distro team will be in berlin;)
[19:29] <ogra> liar :)
[19:29] <ogra> it wont
[19:29] <juliux> ohh he only said the distro team will be there;9
[19:29] <juliux> he didn't said the whole,)
[19:29] <ogra> heh
[19:31] <ogra> i think asac, dholbach, MacSlow, doko and me come from the distro team
[19:31] <juliux> and pitti?
[19:31] <ogra> likely jono as well
[19:31] <ogra> oh and pitti
[19:31] <juliux> mcslow is cool, i met him at cebit
[19:31] <ogra> not sure about mvo
[19:33] <stgraber> ogra: italc's 1.0.9 candidate built successfully with Intrepid on i386 but not amd64 ... one more amd64 specific bug it seems (usual with iTalc :))
[19:33] <ogra> stgraber, release is far out, no hurry :)
[19:34] <stgraber> checking for DSA_new in -leay32... no
[19:34] <stgraber> configure: error: *** you do not have installed the OpenSSL-library and/or development-files are missing!
[19:34] <stgraber> make: *** [config.status] Error 1
[19:34] <ogra> stgraber, built in ppa or pbuilder ?
[19:34] <ogra> meh
[19:34] <stgraber> pbuilder
[19:34] <ogra> yeah, openssl isnt merged i think thats even on my merge list
[19:35] <stgraber> built fine on i386 though, weird ...
[19:35] <ogra> (which doesnt mean i'll do it now, i had a long day and will stop soon :) )
[19:35] <stgraber> bah, that was just to test gcc/configure on Intrepid, I'll start building real packages once the auto-syncs stuff have finished
[19:36] <ogra> yeah, the archive being happered like never during the last days slowed all tools down
[19:36] <ogra> mom is days behind
[19:39] <stgraber> stgraber@castiana:~/data/dev/python$ python getlpstatus.py | grep -v XEN | grep -E "^(i386|amd64)"
[19:39] <stgraber> amd64:		1144 packages
[19:39] <stgraber> i386:		1739 packages
[19:39] <stgraber> hmm, yeah build servers are busy :)
[19:39] <ogra> yup
[19:40] <ogra> http://merges.ubuntu.com is a week old
[19:40] <ogra> should run daily
[19:40] <stgraber> ouch
[19:41] <ogra>  well, archive.u.c was never hammered like that, i guess our userbase made a quantum jump or something
[19:42] <stgraber> yeah, downloading from archive.u.c at 150kB/s (when you are lucky) is really boring those last days ...
[19:43] <ogra> i think mark has to at least add 50% to his always estimated userbase of 8mio (which is surely way to low anyway, but the safest value he can tell to newspapers)
[19:43] <stgraber> fortunately I have a transparent PROXY at home helping a bit with that
[19:44] <stgraber> some people suggested doing stats on ntp.ubuntu.com, then taking unique IPs. Considering that some users are behind firewall and some others have dynamic IPs, that should give you a good indication of the user base :)
[21:47] <LaserJock> stgraber: still up?
[21:47] <stgraber> yep
[23:13] <rcs_comp> I have xubuntu and want to install the games/child apps from edubuntu but keep xubuntu desktop for system resources sake.  Can someone point me in the right direction of how I would do this?
[23:16] <LaserJock> rcs_comp: get the Addon CD
[23:17] <LaserJock> http://www.edubuntu.org/download#addoncd
[23:18] <rcs_comp> LaserJock: thanks for the suggestion.  Would I really need to use a CD?  Can't I download the packages from somewhere using ubuntu's installer?
[23:18] <LaserJock> oh sure
[23:19] <rcs_comp> LaserJock: I guess, I have two main questions.  1) is there a list of packages that would be on that CD?  2) What does ubuntu use for package management?  I am used to slackware.
[23:20] <LaserJock> rcs_comp: ok, let's tackle those one at a time :-)
[23:20] <LaserJock> 1) installing the edubuntu-desktop package will pull in all the packages
[23:20] <rcs_comp> LaserJock: :)  Thank you!
[23:21] <LaserJock> there is also a set of edubuntu-addon-* packages
[23:21] <LaserJock> for a bit more fine-grained selection
[23:21] <LaserJock> ok, now for 2)
[23:21] <rcs_comp> so, if I was to install the main "edubuntu-desktop" package, is that just a way of bulk installing all the edubuntu-addon-* packages?
[23:22] <LaserJock> well, actually I think there are some small difference
[23:22] <LaserJock> but basically something like that
[23:22] <rcs_comp> ok
[23:22] <LaserJock> edubuntu-desktop is going to pull in quite a bit of Gnome libraries
[23:23] <rcs_comp> which I would be happy to do without
[23:23] <rcs_comp> unless of course the kid apps need htem
[23:23] <LaserJock> although you can still use the xubuntu desktop
[23:23] <rcs_comp> right
[23:23] <LaserJock> roughly what age range are we talking about?
[23:24] <rcs_comp> My kids: 3-11
[23:24] <rcs_comp> Really though, I am happy to pull them all in.  My main emphasis is to get the apps without the KDE desktop.  I am not going to be that picky about which apps I want to install.
[23:25] <LaserJock> ah
[23:25] <LaserJock> actually we do pull in a number of KDE apps generally
[23:25] <LaserJock> as KDE Edu is pretty much the cream of the education apps crop
[23:26] <rcs_comp> or maybe its Gnome Edubuntu installs by default for a desktop, I am not 100% sure.  Yes, I realize I will want to pull in KDE apps but not the KDE desktop.  Or, maybe I can't do that?
[23:26] <LaserJock> Edubuntu uses Gnome but with KDE Edu added on
[23:27] <LaserJock> I think I'd suggest first to install the edubuntu-addon-legacy package
[23:27] <LaserJock> it's just the educational apps without the extras
[23:28] <LaserJock> ok, so back to how to install this stuff
[23:29] <LaserJock> would you like to use a terminal or a simple GUI or a powerful GUI?
[23:29] <rcs_comp> terminal would be great
[23:30] <LaserJock> ok
[23:31] <LaserJock> so, to get it all just run: sudo apt-get install edubuntu-addon-legacy
[23:31] <LaserJock> to search for edubuntu related packages you can run: apt-cache search edubuntu
[23:32] <LaserJock> and to look at a package in more detail: apt-cache show <packagename>
[23:32] <LaserJock> rcs_comp: sorry if you already know all that stuff, not sure if you've used apt much
[23:33] <rcs_comp> actually, never used it at all.  Don't be sorry, that is EXACTLY what I wanted.  I am going to go try it.
[23:35] <LaserJock> it will probably download quite a bit
[23:35] <LaserJock> some of the education games have a lot of graphics/sound
[23:37] <rcs_comp> does ubuntu run SSH by default?
[23:37] <rcs_comp> I can't seem to login from afar :(
[23:45] <LaserJock> ah
[23:45] <LaserJock> no
[23:45] <LaserJock> you want to install openssh-server
[23:46] <LaserJock> rcs_comp: Ubuntu doesn't open ports to the outside world by default so the ssh client is installed by default but not the ssh server
[23:47] <rcs_comp> LaserJock: ok, got that working too.  Thanks again.