[00:41]  * nixternal is getting kind of nervous getting ready to perform his final business analysis presentation
[00:42] <DaSkreech> :-)
[00:42] <DaSkreech> Buck up!
[00:43] <nixternal> hehe
[00:43] <DaSkreech> Imagine they are the cubs and you are trying to convince them to come over to your house and autograph your walls
[00:43] <nixternal> this is huge
[00:43] <nixternal> it is 75% of my final grade
[00:44] <DaSkreech> are you ready?
[00:45] <nixternal> always ready
[00:45] <DaSkreech> Then Pwn them :)
[00:46] <nixternal> hehe
[00:49]  * DaSkreech gives nixternal  a shirt that read PWNED Back: Like KDE4 Vs Win95
[00:52] <Serega> python-kde4 package has inconsistent Homepage field
[00:54] <stdin> they changed their entire site recently, bug report + patch please :)
[00:54] <Serega> stdin: may I just patch? ;)
[00:55] <Serega> stdin: more - I found a bug in pykde4 itself and willing to fix it now as it blocks my gdebi-kde4
[00:55] <Serega> will I be able to upload such fix to hardy updates?
[00:56]  * Serega will send the patch to upstream too os course
[00:56] <stdin> probably, that's where bug fixes should go
[00:56] <Serega> woohoo
[01:00] <JontheEchidna> Turns out all of these KDE 4.0.4 regressions aren't KDE's fault, they're Qt's.
[01:01] <JontheEchidna> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/228432
[01:02]  * Serega wonders when ubotu have got the double 't' in his name
[01:13] <stdin> Serega: when the operator of ubotu decided to abruptly leave and kill ubotu
[01:14] <Serega> ubutu died long live ubottu! :)
[01:15] <Serega> s/ubutu/ubotu/
[01:16] <stdin> not only does it live, put I've patched the hell out of it :p
[01:16] <stdin> and learnt python in the process
[01:50] <nosrednaekim> yes! Project Neon rocKs!
[01:50] <JontheEchidna> +1
[02:41] <vorian> jdavies: done :)
[02:41]  * vorian waves
[07:49] <Tm_T> interesting, I can't find any information about KDM, when it doesn't apply settings, or rather, kcontrol module doesn't save settings to the right place apparently
[07:49] <Tm_T> and I don't know where it does save them
[09:33] <sebbar> hi, will there be a kde3 version of the next kubuntu or was hardy the last one?
[09:54] <buz> i think some update last night or this morning (Europe) broke lyx, i know it was working yesterday morning
[09:54] <buz> now it segfaults
[09:54] <\sh> buz, hardy?
[09:55] <buz> with -updates and -proposed
[09:55] <\sh> oh -proposed...
[09:55] <buz> figured its best to report it before it goes any further :P
[09:56] <buz> have not seen any other ill effects so far, though
[09:56] <\sh> i don't see any uploads to -proposed from yesterday...only -security
[09:56] <buz> well i obviously have security active as well
[09:56] <\sh> sorry..only linux-restricted-modules and envyng-core
[09:56] <\sh> in -proposed
[09:57] <\sh> buz, but even in -security nothing kde related or tex related
[09:57] <buz> then why did it stop working
[09:57] <buz> lemme see maybe i got the timeframe wrong
[09:57] <buz> sorry, must have broken in the past 40h, not 24h
[09:58] <\sh> buz, ok kdebase in -proposed
[09:58] <\sh> buz, kdebase 3.5.9 that is
[09:58] <buz> lyx does not link against kde IIRC
[09:58] <buz> nope does not
[09:58] <buz> qt only
[09:59] <\sh> no...no qt upload to -proposed/-security/-updates
[09:59] <buz> now i am confused
[09:59]  * \sh <--- gone ----> meeting
[10:01] <buz> there was an apparmor upgrade
[10:02] <buz> 2008-05-08 07:45:33 install libqtcore4 <none> 4.4.0-1ubuntu1~hardy1
[10:02] <buz> that's weird
[10:02] <buz> that's the qt 4.4.0 upgrade
[10:02] <buz> so much for no qt upgrade :P
[10:03] <buz> lets see if rebuilding lyx helps...
[10:28] <buz> recompiling does not seem to help
[10:51] <\sh> buz, that's backport
[10:52] <\sh> buz, -proposed, -updates, -security doesn't have any ~<distro> tag behind the package revision
[11:27] <Riddell> vorian: poke poke
[11:28] <Arby> Riddell: thanks for all the uploads, just seen the flurry of e-mails
[11:29] <Riddell> seems some got rejected when I first uploaded them
[11:30] <vorian> heya Riddell
[11:31] <Riddell> vorian: was looking at your 9MB torrent-kde4 patch
[11:31] <Riddell> ktorrent-kde4
[11:31] <vorian> :D
[11:31] <vorian> it is bigggg
[11:32] <Riddell> vorian: if it's a new upstream probably best to make the diff against the current .orig.tar and upload the .orig.tar too
[11:32] <Riddell> "Fix infinite loop in DHT code" where is that fix?
[11:32] <Riddell> "Limits (and control dialogue) fix" likewise
[11:32] <vorian> OK, I can do that
[11:33] <vorian> in the upstream changelog
[11:33] <Riddell> ah, right, I see
[11:34] <vorian> I will resubmit the diff this afternoon
[11:35] <Riddell> vorian: also it should be merged with debian, they have 3.1~beta1+dfsg.1-1 in experimental
[11:35] <Riddell> I expect we could just sync that
[11:35] <vorian> hmmm, interesting
[11:36] <Riddell> oh, no
[11:36] <Riddell> different name
[11:36] <Riddell> but that's probably the only change
[11:37] <vorian> I'll work on a merge for it then, this afternoon :)
[11:38] <Riddell> vorian: I'll upload a new kde4libs shortly that uses /usr so we should be able to take packages like that direct from debian
[11:39] <vorian> excellent!
[11:40]  * vorian must depart for the paying job now
[13:32]  * Arby looks alarmed at the large number of 'failed to build' emails in his inbox 
[13:33] <Arby> Riddell: looks like I stuffed up kdelibs, haven't had time to read the logs yet
[13:34] <buz> \sh: so i should get rid of backports?
[13:35] <Arby> seems to be lots of 'error while opening "/include/kde.pot" for reading: No such file or directory'
[13:36] <Arby> I'll look a this more when I get time but that's likely to be a few days now
[14:02] <\sh> buz, I dunno...
[14:02] <buz> doesnt seem to work
[14:02] <buz> ah well for the time being i can do with a virtualbox instance. just need to change a few words in an existing doc
[14:19] <nixternal> mornin'
[14:19] <Nightrose> heya nixternal :)
[14:20] <Hobbsee> heya :)
[14:20] <Nightrose> weather is fantastic here - you should move! ;-)
[14:20] <Nightrose> just went for a walk
[14:20] <jdavies> it's raining here
[14:20] <Nightrose> (reply to nixternal's twitter)
[14:21] <Nightrose> awww jdavies :/
[14:21] <Nightrose> you should move too then
[14:21] <Nightrose> ;-)
[14:21] <jdavies> Nightrose: nein, wir brauchen der Regen
[14:21] <nixternal> well, it is 51f (you can convert that if need be), but they are saying afternoon showers...which means my city walkin' will be a bit wet possibly
[14:22] <Nightrose> jdavies: den ;-)
[14:22] <Nightrose> but yea
[14:22] <jdavies> Nightrose: I forgot if it was masc/fem/neutral
[14:23] <Nightrose> ;-) "der regen" so masculine
[14:23] <Nightrose> Regen even
[14:23] <jdavies> ja
[14:33] <|Artemis_Fowl|> seele: ping
[14:37] <nixternal> to the game I go! if you watch the Chicago Cubs, look for me wearing my Ubuntu garb...right field, on top of one of the building
[14:38] <nixternal> later!
[14:40] <Nightrose> have fun nixternal
[14:53] <|Artemis_Fowl|> seele: check these screenshots out and when I come back later tell me your opinion. I think they are ok
[14:53] <|Artemis_Fowl|> seele: http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/files/1302188_oajra/KGRUBEditor34.png
[14:53] <|Artemis_Fowl|> seele: http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/files/1302186_xifm8/KGRUBEditor35.png
[14:53] <|Artemis_Fowl|> seele: http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/files/1302185_hkqm8/KGRUBEditor36.png
[14:53] <|Artemis_Fowl|> seele: http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/files/1302187_gptdp/KGRUBEditor37.png
[14:54] <|Artemis_Fowl|> seele: http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/files/1302184_nruom/KGRUBEditor38.png
[14:54] <|Artemis_Fowl|> seele: http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/files/1302183_nlocm/KGRUBEditor39.png
[15:00] <jdavies> that looked WRONG for a second
[15:08] <Riddell> Arby: hrm
[15:09] <Riddell> Arby: that .po stuff is fiddly
[15:16] <Riddell> the kubuntu_01_kdepot.diff patch didn't apply, but it does when I run it locally
[15:53] <stdin> people seem to be blaming Qt4.4 for... everything. bug 228432
[15:58] <Riddell> stdin: they're probably right
[15:59] <stdin> Riddell: I've no clue what to do about it though
[15:59] <stdin> or even if we can do anything about it
[15:59] <Riddell> not really
[16:12] <Riddell> stdin: tell them to report the bug on qt if it's a qt bug
[16:14] <stdin> right-o
[16:55] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: all of the image links are the same?
[16:56] <seele> and the tabs need to be on the top by default
[16:56] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: they are different screenshots
[16:56] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: yy I will fix it
[16:56] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: I would create a screencast but I'm on KDE 4.1
[16:56] <Artemis_Fowl> so screenshots atm
[16:56] <seele> oh.. its not just the number that is different
[16:57] <seele> i just copied and pasted and changed the number from 35-39
[16:57] <seele> hold on
[16:58] <seele> is the light blue color in the selection highlight in 38 an error?
[16:58] <seele> and is the tooltip using your theme colors or did you set that manually?
[16:59] <seele> i think the default is black text on light yellow background (see knetworksettings)
[16:59] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: it's my theme
[16:59] <seele> ok
[16:59] <seele> then that is alright as long as it is tied in correctly
[16:59] <Artemis_Fowl> Artemis_Fowl: and the underlining you see is actually a separator
[17:00] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: because some properties such as Kernel are composed of certain parts
[17:00] <seele> no, in 38 how the selected OS is a light blue instead of the dark blue
[17:00] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: let me see
[17:00] <seele> if it is an error or on purpose
[17:01] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: ah that's merely how KDE4.1 behaves when hovering an item
[17:02] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: it's not on purpose
[17:05] <Artemis_Fowl> so, any objections?
[17:06] <seele> it looks ok so far
[17:07] <seele> we'll have to talk more about the toolbar functionality and why/who would make backups and copies of their grub configuration
[17:07] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: in the SystemSettings module there will be no toolbar
[17:07] <seele> ok
[17:08] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: I think that other than a 'Entries' page and 'Settings' I will have a page with GRUB Tools
[17:09] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: where I will put Backup and the Install ttols
[17:09] <Artemis_Fowl> tools*
[18:08] <_Artemis_Fowl_> seele: u here?
[18:08] <seele> yes
[18:09] <_Artemis_Fowl_> seele: since the Default and Fallback options will be moved from General GRUB Settings to the Entries page, how will the user be able to remove default/fallback?
[18:10] <_Artemis_Fowl_> seele: I mean if the user wants no Default/Fallback, how will he be able to remove it?
[18:10] <_Artemis_Fowl_> currently only setting is available, not un-setting
[18:11] <seele> it will be a checkbox on the entries page?
[18:11] <seele> enable disable?
[18:11] <seele> does there have to be a defined default or fallback option?
[18:12] <_Artemis_Fowl_> seele: not really
[18:13] <seele> does a checkbox work since we are moving it?
[18:13] <seele> i think that was an oversight on my part.. the old wireframes had the checkbox, but it also had the quick function of changing it on the os list
[18:18] <_Artemis_Fowl_> hmm
[18:18] <_Artemis_Fowl_> what do you mean 'does a checkbox work since we are moving it?'
[18:19] <seele> you said there was no way to reset the default/fallback to none
[18:19] <seele> a checkbox would be make/dont make default/fallback, no?
[18:20] <seele> and the option is going in the settings wizard that you already have?
[18:20] <seele> because it has to be os-specific
[19:04] <smarter_> Riddell: do you think we can push desktop-effects-kde 0.4.1 to hardy-updates since it's a minor bugfix release?
[19:08] <Riddell> smarter_: you'd need to create a minimal diff and ask pitti
[19:09] <smarter_> ok, I'll try
[19:14] <smarter_> Riddell: what version number should I use? 0.4.0.1?
[19:14] <Riddell> smarter_: yes
[19:24] <smarter_> Riddell: should I create a SRU bug report?
[19:27] <Riddell> smarter: yep
[19:33] <nosrednaekim> apachelogger: hey..... with Neon, can I copy a qtrc from my .kde4 to /opt somewhere to make amarok match the color scheme of kde4?
[19:58] <apachelogger> Nightrose: should nosrednaekim ask again - copying kdeglobals from .kde4 to .amarok-nightly should do the job ;-)
[19:58] <Nightrose> ;-)
[19:59] <Nightrose> thx apachelogger - will keep that in mind
[20:14] <yuriy> apachelogger: or a symlink for the brave?
[20:14] <apachelogger> bad idea
[20:15] <apachelogger> something might have changed in 4.1
[20:15] <apachelogger> which could possibly break 4.0
[20:51] <apachelogger> nosrednaekim:[20:58:37] <apachelogger> Nightrose: should nosrednaekim ask again - copying kdeglobals from .kde4 to .amarok-nightly should do the job ;-)
[20:51] <nosrednaekim> apachelogger: awesome! thanks :)
[20:52] <nosrednaekim> thought there might be some trick like that :)
[20:54] <apachelogger> nosrednaekim: btw
[20:54] <apachelogger> [21:14:30] <yuriy> apachelogger: or a symlink for the brave?
[20:54] <apachelogger> [21:14:49] <apachelogger> bad idea
[20:54] <apachelogger> [21:15:01] <apachelogger> something might have changed in 4.1
[20:54] <apachelogger> [21:15:08] <apachelogger> which could possibly break 4.0
[20:54] <apachelogger> nosrednaekim: just so you don't do that :P
[20:55] <nosrednaekim> :)
[20:55] <nosrednaekim> I didn't
[20:55] <apachelogger> k
[20:56] <nosrednaekim> NICE!
[23:16] <Riddell> Hobbsee: could you give back https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/strigi/0.5.9-1
[23:19]  * Riddell wobbles windows with kwin
[23:21] <Riddell> nixternal: do you thinnk docs are needed for guidance-power-manager in kdereview?
[23:21]  * Riddell snoozes