[00:00] <bdizzle> is there an easier way to make files? I've had maybe 1 out of 10 packages actually work with /.configure, make, and make install
[00:00] <hi> #kubuntu-es for clickability
[00:00] <fitoria> i in there :P
[00:01] <bleaked> I just want to share with everyone that after the last week of updates from the hardy-proposed and hardy-backports repos, my installation of kubuntu 8.04 works with no visible flaws, bugs, or problems.  (and this is an older custom-built pc, with a troublesome ATI card, and running full desktop effects) -- So I just want to sincerely thank everyone for all of their efforts, be it large or small, on this project.
[00:03] <v6lur> bleaked: then pray that following updates don't break anything ;)
[00:03] <bleaked> indeed :D
[00:03] <v6lur> as happened on my old (and crappy) laptop
[00:04] <hi> bleaked: expect regressions :P no seriously, that's very gracious of you and i'm sure it's appreciated by anyone reading that who's helped out.
[00:05] <bdizzle> how often do updates come out?
[00:05] <jussi01> does anyone know where I could get an equivalent of obsidian coast kde4 colour scheme, but for kde3 ?
[00:06] <bleaked> bdizzle: depends.. i have the above mentioned repositories enabled, which both tend to have daily updates..
[00:06] <bdizzle> Robeson08
[00:06] <bdizzle> gah, wrong thing
[00:07] <bdizzle> at least the good thing is that Ubuntu doesn't nag and force you to update your computer
[00:07] <bdizzle> its just a nice little icon in the corner
[00:07] <wesley> !adeptfix
[00:08] <grout> how do i enable wobbly windows and stuff in kubuntu kde4?
[00:09] <bdizzle> don't know how in KDE4, but wouldn't it be the same in KDE3?
[00:09] <bdizzle> of selecting advance desktop effects and go from there?
[00:09] <grout> is it in system settings?
[00:10] <bdizzle> if you have the advanced desktop effects in, it would be under K-Menu -> Settings
[00:10] <bdizzle> and then make sure that under desktop effects - K-menu -> System, that it is set to custom
[00:13] <bdizzle> oh, and does anyone know an equivalent program to Dev C++ and Origin?
[00:20] <hi> grout: install desktop-effects-kde
[00:20] <hi> it has one-click setup options that rock my world
[00:21] <hi> advanced desktop effects is pretty buggy imho still
[00:21] <bdizzle> true
[00:21] <bdizzle> I still can't figure out how to get the cube to work
[00:21] <hi> though needed for settings, it's just a tad overwhelming for new folks
[00:22] <hi> bdizzle: install the above, but also simple-ccsm
[00:22] <sFEARs> yo
[00:22]  * hi is a compiz fiend
[00:23] <redshadowhero> Okay, I'm having trouble installing a program.. can someone help me?
[00:23] <hi> redshadowhero: maybe, details?
[00:23] <redshadowhero> Its a cisco VPN client for the user of this computer.
[00:23] <hi> ah
[00:23] <redshadowhero> Yeah..
[00:24] <redshadowhero> It has a shell script that comes with it called "vpn_install", but it gives errors when I execute it.
[00:25] <bdizzle> so to get the cube, I want 4 desktop columns and 1 row, or 4 rows and 1 column?
[00:25] <hi> 1 row, 4 columns
[00:25] <hi> good question
[00:26] <hi> for the panel mode, i had to set 2row, 2 columns before it would work which through me for a loop at first. i hope that bug is fixed soon... deters folks
[00:26] <redshadowhero> Oh, and here is the errors that come with the installation: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11034/
[00:27] <bdizzle> what is error SIGSERV?
[00:28] <bdizzle> sorry, SIGSEGV
[00:28] <hi> ah, SIGSEGV is a segmentation fault.
[00:28] <bdizzle> i get those frequently
[00:28] <hi> that shouldn't ever happen
[00:28] <hi> that said, it does :)
[00:30] <redshadowhero> So... nobody has any ideas here?
[00:34] <hi> it's not really a kubuntu issue, and i personally dislike cisco's vpn so i'm not inclined to google those errors for you since i have no clue. maybe someone else will see that, but you'd have better luck approaching cisco support
[00:34] <hi> they'd (hopefullly) know why their product is segfaulting on you
[00:35] <bdizzle> usually I get SIGSEGV on Kicker somehow
[00:35] <hi> dbizzle: ditto
[00:36] <redshadowhero> I know it isn't a kubuntu issue, but I was hoping that someone could help me.
[00:36] <stdin> redshadowhero: tell them to update their software? it's out of date
[00:36] <bdizzle> which is frustrating, since it won't reload my icons next to the clock, which is kinda needed for laptop battery and such
[00:36] <redshadowhero> Like it or not, its what NASA gives us for the linux VPN client
[00:36] <hi> redshadowhero: yeah, i know you know that, i'm just sorry i can't help and was advising other avenues
[00:36] <hi> lol, seriously!?
[00:37] <redshadowhero> Yup. Its the nasa client. As to the version.. we rarely pick up the client updates for linux.
[00:37] <hi> what's with every large organization using this thing!? an uname insurance company i did work for a few weeks ago has this on everyone's computers... it's always been buggy
[00:37] <redshadowhero> I suppose I could ask my boss to check on that.
[00:37] <hi> *unnamed
[00:37] <redshadowhero> Eh.. I don't care as long as it works for me.
[00:38] <bdizzle> does anyone else know of a program to replace and or be compatible with Origin? I've tried LabPlot, but the files for the newest version aren't in the repositories at all, which surprises me
[00:38] <stdin> redshadowhero: try "sudo touch /use/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)/include/linux/config.h" and edit /home/vellakd/Desktop/VPN/vpnclient/GenDefs.h to remove the struct uintptr_t
[00:39] <hi> wow, where did that come from stdin? lol
[00:39] <stdin> hi: from looking at the error message, where else ;)
[00:39] <hi> ;)
[00:40] <stdin> redshadowhero: line 40, add /* before and */ after
[00:40] <stdin> or just remove the line
[00:40] <stdin> erm, line 113 actually
[00:40] <redshadowhero> stdin: the touch command fails. The directory doesn't exist.
[00:41] <stdin> then install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[00:41] <stdin> you'll need it
[00:41] <redshadowhero> alright.
[00:41] <redshadowhero> with apt-get, right?
[00:41] <stdin> yep
[00:41] <redshadowhero> Give me a sec.
[00:42] <stdin> redshadowhero: ahh, wait, typo
[00:42] <stdin> redshadowhero: /usr
[00:42] <redshadowhero> usr, right?
[00:42] <redshadowhero> :P
[00:42] <redshadowhero> I saw that.
[00:42] <redshadowhero> But I'll get the headers just in case.
[00:42] <stdin> it's 00:42, I'm aloud a typo :)
[00:43] <redshadowhero> I have the latest headers already, and changing it to usr fixed that.
[00:43] <monkeybritches> At 2:30 we're cutting you off. No more typos for you.
[00:44] <hi> stdin: from uk i take it?
[00:44] <stdin> seeing as I'm typing at night, in the dark, I'm doing well
[00:44] <stdin> hi: yep
[00:45] <redshadowhero> does anyone remember the vi command for 'go to line'?
[00:46]  * redshadowhero has forgotten
[00:46]  * hi finds the GUI in kwrite more intuitive
[00:46] <bdizzle> vi?
[00:46] <mike-kubuntu> hey, during boot up it keeps taking me to tty1 after the initial section of a bouncing back and forth blue bar instead of a bootup bar, then it takes me into kdm and there are no warnings printed, only tips i've found in the forums is that someone else claimed it started when they installed kde4, but removing kde4 didn't make it go away
[00:46] <bdizzle> I just use Kate instead to edit files as root
[00:47] <redshadowhero> Eh.. nevermind then. I'll just search for the struct in question.
[00:47] <stdin> redshadowhero: may also be a typedef
[00:48] <stdin> bdizzle: vi or vim is pure evil, that's all you need to know ;P
[00:48] <wesley> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/228432
[00:48] <hi> stdin: vivivi = 666?
[00:49] <stdin> precisely
[00:49] <wesley> stdin kde 4.0.3 got the same problems with Qt 4.4 installed
[00:49] <fabio_> o
[00:49] <hi> sounds like the talk of someone using a tool Generally Not Used, Except by Middle-Aged Computer Scientists
[00:49] <hi> ;)
[00:50] <hi> (GNU EMACS to spell it out)
[00:50] <Jes___Wy__> i had an emac
[00:50] <hi> lol
[00:51] <redshadowhero> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11037/
[00:51] <stdin> if I'm in the cli I'll use nano, else I'll use kate/kdevelop
[00:51] <hi> ditto
[00:51] <redshadowhero> stdin: uh.. what do I comment out there?
[00:51] <hi> i find nano a tad more intuitive
[00:51] <Jes___Wy__> i have a question
[00:52] <stdin> redshadowhero: change "typedef uint32 uintptr_t;" to "/* typedef uint32 uintptr_t; */"
[00:52] <redshadowhero> Emacs is an ecellent operating system, lacking only a decent text editor.
[00:52] <hi> ah, red is highly initiated then :)
[00:52] <hi> lol
[00:52] <Jes___Wy__> do people that create linux versions rewire other linux versions?
[00:53] <Jes___Wy__> if i were to create a substandardgameco linux version
[00:53] <Jes___Wy__> hello?
[00:54] <redshadowhero> stdin: I did the changes.. and it didn't work =_=
[00:54] <stdin> redshadowhero: same error or different?
[00:54] <redshadowhero> lemme pastebin it.
[00:54] <stdin> Jes___Wy__: huh?
[00:55] <redshadowhero> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11038/
[00:56] <Jes___Wy__> do i have your permission to look at that page?
[00:57] <stdin> Jes___Wy__: public channel, click where ever you like :)
[00:57] <Jes___Wy__> ehnahe ha
[00:57] <stdin> redshadowhero: that's just down to it being out of date, unless you know C and are willing to rewrite the app, you're stuck
[00:58] <redshadowhero> stdin: I kinda figured as much when it started popping out errors. I'll just request to my boss that we get the latest version, because he has access to the cisco site for this sort of thing, not me.
[00:59] <redshadowhero> stdin: but, thank you anyway for your time.
[00:59] <stdin> redshadowhero: no problem, I practically live here anyway :)
[01:00] <redshadowhero> stdin: I noticed :P You've helped me with my last 3 kubuntu-related problems
[01:00] <stdin> !helpersnack | stdin
[01:01] <stdin> heh
[01:02] <hi> is there a set of larger cursor icons available for kubuntu?
[01:02] <hi> i have a 1920x1200x17" laptop and the defaults are microscopic
[01:03] <redshadowhero> Oh, and another question (more for me than anything else)
[01:03] <redshadowhero> How hard is it to make an active directory server that allows windows xp, kubuntu 8.04 and macs to join it?
[01:03] <redshadowhero> Oh, and the AD server would be running ubuntu server.
[01:05] <stdin> hi: check the repos, or try kde-look.org
[01:06] <stdin> redshadowhero: honestly, no clue. I've managed to steer clear of active directory so far and I plan on keeping it that way ;)
[01:06] <hi> ah, so i'd just download larger images then basically it sounds like. just wanted to make sure i wasn't re-inventing the wheel if there was a setting i missed.
[01:06]  * hi checks repos
[01:07] <redshadowhero> Oh.. well, I want to put a server in the house here that would allow those types of computers (each person prefers a different OS in this house) to be connected to it, and have the printer managed by that server... what do your reccommend?
[01:09] <hi> not sure i follow, but all the operatings systems support IP printing
[01:09] <hi> and if by server, you mean ftp, smb or ssh / fish then... i don't see an AD need
[01:10] <DFlame> spam guide! http://two.xthost.info/DFUGTIRC/DFSUGTIRC.pdf
[01:10] <hi> i'm in the same boat as stdin on AD experience
[01:10] <stdin> I use cups to share my printer will the systems in my house
[01:10] <hi> ditto here
[01:10] <hi> os-x uses that fine
[01:10] <redshadowhero> I wanted to do AD because it would give me more in-depth experience with AD to demonstrate that they can trust me more with the AD server at work.
[01:10] <hi> windows is banned in my house though :)
[01:10] <stdin> DFlame: what?
[01:11] <redshadowhero> hi: I would have it that way, but people are stubborn :/
[01:11] <stdin> windows works with cups too, just uses http instead of ipp
[01:12] <DFlame> sorry folks, didnt mean it to hit hte ubuntu servers
[01:12] <stdin> amsg == Fail
[01:12] <heath> anyone know the php irc?
[01:13] <frederick> anyone had anyluck setting up elisa with samba files sharing??
[01:13] <hi> stdin: about cursors, the kde cursors aren't scalable ala gnome. the repos show things like "This package contains the DMZ cursor themes, which are derived from the Industrial theme developed for the Ximian GNOME desktop. Black and white cursors are provided, in scalable formats."
[01:13] <hi> is this right, or am i missing something?
[01:13] <redshadowhero> Oh, well.. darn. I have to go take someone to the hospital now.. >,>
[01:13] <frederick> tried the config files like smb://mybookworld/medias/ but elisa keeps getting stalled
[01:15] <stdin> hi: I've never tried to scale the cursor, so not sure. but there are specific "large" themes available so maybe, maybe not :p
[01:16] <hi> yeah, at 14mb i had to pause. then i realised, for instance, the oxygen-cursor-theme-extra is actually just  different colors. amazingly they aren't svg or something
[01:16] <hi> that's kind of ridiculous
[01:18] <frederick> anyone had anyluck setting up elisa with samba files sharing??
[01:21] <BluesKaj> frederick, between linux machines or mixed OSs ?
[01:21] <frederick> nas hard disk
[01:23] <frederick> network hard disk (mybookworld) created a public folder with all privileges, so there is no needs for username or password
[01:23] <Ertain> Hello everyone.  I'm using Hardy and after my computer boots my numlock isn't set right; it's set to the opposite.  Any ideas why this is?
[01:24] <stdin> Ertain: if it's set to the opposite, set it to be off, and it'll be on
[01:25] <BluesKaj> Ertain, same here, I just live with it
[01:25] <imam_> we
[01:26] <Ertain> I could add "numlockx on" to one of my start up scripts.  I just don't know which one.
[01:26] <BluesKaj> Xorg
[01:26] <BluesKaj> it may not work tho
[01:27] <Mimi> I just reformatted my usb drive as ext3 and now my normal user acct doesnt have permissions to do anything in it... what gives?
[01:27] <stdin> because root owns it
[01:27] <o0Chris0o> yes
[01:27] <o0Chris0o> try sudo before you do anything
[01:27] <Mimi> I figured as much, but what do i have to do to fix it....
[01:27] <o0Chris0o> or su
[01:28] <stdin> sudo chown user: /where/it's/mounted
[01:28] <stdin> that'll make "user" own it
[01:28] <Mimi> ok, and then say  my brother logs in and he needs to use the drive, can he write to it too?
[01:29] <stdin> nope, not unless you "sudo chmod 777" too, then anyone can write
[01:29] <Mimi> Is that ok to do ?
[01:30] <Mimi> Thanks btw
[01:30] <stdin> depends what you mean by "ok"
[01:30] <Mimi> security risk, etc
[01:30] <stdin> what security risk are you thinking of?
[01:31] <stdin> it's not like you're chmod'ing the root partition, it's just external storage
[01:31] <Mimi> Alright :)
[01:32] <Mimi> Thank you :-)
[01:32] <stdin> the only alternative would be to create a new group and add all the users you want to be able to write to that group and then set the group of the device to that group
[01:32]  * Mimi reboots
[01:32] <stdin> but that can be overkill for most people
[01:32] <Mimi> Meh, I think 777 will be okay :D
[01:32] <Mimi> Thanks /bai bai!
[01:32] <stdin> :)
[01:37] <Mimi> hey  mmm so i changed the drive's permissions to 777, then cd to lost+found to test:    bash: cd: /media/USB Drive/lost+found/: Permission denied
[01:38] <stdin> it's not good to have lost+found 777 or owned by anyone but root
[01:38] <stdin> it can mess with fsck
[01:38] <stdin> just try creating a file/dir
[01:38] <Mimi> AH Ok, I just tried creating a folder and it works fine *faints* lol
[01:39] <Mimi> Time to move all my junk over there :P
[01:41] <v6lur> what's that lost+found for anyway?
[01:41] <Mimi> Short explanation here http://tldp.org/LDP/Linux-Filesystem-Hierarchy/html/lostfound.html
[01:43] <nano_> They say the best weapon is the one you don't have to fire.  I respectfully disagree.
[01:43] <Mimi> There should be one for each ext partition
[01:43] <Mimi> How come nano_ ?
[01:43] <imam_> hhh
[01:43] <nano_> lol.  idk.  i saw it on an Iron Man commercial
[01:43] <nano_> :P
[01:43] <Mimi> blarg!!!
[01:44] <nano_> anyway, i have to go.
[01:44] <nano_> i'll cya guys later
[01:44] <nano_> lol
[01:44] <Mimi> Bye bye
[01:45] <Mimi> I like that in linux when you are moving files, it says , example, 15 seconds, it actually IS 15 seconds! In Windows you'd see... "15 seconds left... no wait... 18... noooo! its 29 now!!" .... -_-;
[01:46] <[B5C]wallabee> hi
[01:46] <Mimi> Hi hi
[01:46] <Kr|ptiX> any1 kno of a good problem like photoshop or dreamweaver to make website with
[01:47] <Kr|ptiX> programs*
[01:47] <Mimi> photoshop is not to make websites.. anyway i recomend cinepaint       as for dreamweaver... eh.... *ponder* do you code from scratch or do you use WYSIWYG?
[01:48] <v6lur> quanta+ maybe?
[01:48] <Mimi> Yea
[01:49] <Kr|ptiX> you can design sites with photoshop
[01:49] <Mimi> you can spit out a random jumble muble with photoshop, but dont go telling me that is a website :p
[01:49] <Mimi> you can design, but you shoudlnt use it to build the actual website
[01:50] <[B5C]wallabee> fireworks
[01:51] <zeeon> evening folks
[01:52] <fildo> well morning this way
[01:52] <fildo> but gday
[01:52] <Mimi> :)
[01:52] <[B5C]wallabee> hi
[01:52]  * hi really needs to change his nick
[01:52] <nosrednaekim> uhh yeah duh
[01:52] <fildo> lol
[01:52] <nosrednaekim> :)
[01:52] <fildo> hi
[01:53] <hidamm> lol
[01:53] <nosrednaekim> change it to hello or something...
[01:53] <stdin> !hi | hi
[01:53] <zeeon> does anyone have an up todate guide for dual monitor on kubuntu?
[01:53] <zeeon> or does http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1773584 still apply?
[01:54] <BluesKaj> funny , haven't seen anyone choose the "lowlife" nick yet
[01:54] <Haemogoblin2> hi there
[01:54] <zeeon> hey
[01:54] <Haemogoblin2> is this the kubuntu channel
[01:54] <[B5C]wallabee> hiho
[01:54] <Haemogoblin2> :P
[01:55] <nosrednaekim> Haemogoblin2: yes! it is
[01:55] <Haemogoblin2> well...
[01:55] <Haemogoblin2> i'm a new user...
[01:55] <Haemogoblin2> :P
[01:55] <BluesKaj> tv time
[01:55] <BluesKaj> BBL
[01:55] <Haemogoblin2> i've just run away from winblow xp
[01:55] <Mimi> how do you like it so far? ^^
[01:56] <nosrednaekim> welcome to the bright side:)
[01:56] <Haemogoblin2> well i've been using it for all of an hr
[01:56] <Mimi> awww be nice windows isnt that bad *gag*
[01:56] <[B5C]wallabee> ;)
[01:56] <Haemogoblin2> it's overwhelming
[01:56] <Mimi> so whats on your mind?
[01:57] <Haemogoblin2> could it trouble some with a few noobie questions
[01:57] <Mimi> Go right ahead ^^
[01:59] <frank_> why isn't libdvdcss being hosted at kubuntu.org anymore? the kaffeine auto installation failed
[02:00] <Mimi> Hey guys... what the bunny is this?! gvfs-fuse-daemon       10G  4.4G  5.1G  47% /home/luisa/.gvfs   (show's when I type    df -h  )
[02:00] <Haemogoblin2> first..i'm using a compaq armada m700 laptop as my test machine...
[02:00] <Haemogoblin2> it's running super!
[02:00] <Haemogoblin2> i was also really impressed that this os comes with it's of irc chat client built in
[02:00] <Haemogoblin2> i'm having issues configuring my wireless card..
[02:00] <v6lur> frank_: libdvdcss should be in medibuntu...
[02:01] <Haemogoblin2> but i have no idea how you set them up on this operating system...i'm used to using OSX and XP..
[02:01] <frank_> v6lur: yeah it's there. but the kaffeine auto install of libdvdcss gets it from kubuntu.org. it used to be there
[02:02] <v6lur> hmm, don't know then. those great US intellectual property laws mayhaps?
[02:02] <Haemogoblin2> hey sorry about that my network cable came out
[02:02] <Mimi> !wireless
[02:02] <stdin> Mimi: something to do with gnome and fuse
[02:03] <zeeon> question does twinview come with nvidia-glx-new and is it better then xinerama?
[02:04] <Haemogoblin2> does anyone here happen to use a officconnect 3com wireless card ?
[02:05] <frank_> v6lur: maybe
[02:05] <Haemogoblin2> i'm trying to follow the guides, but a human voice of input/guidance would sure help a great deal :)
[02:07] <Mimi> Mmm I don't
[02:08]  * Dr_willis totally missed the problem
[02:08] <Haemogoblin2> kubuntu seems to have found my wifi card and says it's enabled..however in setting i've noticed there are no options for WEP/WEP2 ect
[02:08] <Mimi> Ooh
[02:08] <Haemogoblin2> i've been unable to successfully connect to the router..
[02:09] <Haemogoblin2> soo i'm using the very hap hazard internal ethernet port..which the cable keeps slipping out of :S
[02:09] <Dr_willis> break that little tab off the end eh?
[02:09] <Haemogoblin2> hehe how did you guess
[02:09] <Haemogoblin2> :P
[02:10] <Dr_willis> Rubberbands and one of those stick on hooks. does wonders. :)
[02:10] <Haemogoblin2> Stop looking through my window
[02:10]  * Mimi does it all the time >.<    I R BE CLUMSY
[02:10] <Haemogoblin2> hehe
[02:11] <Dr_willis> I alwyas have some of those plastick sticky hook/cable holders on the back of all my pc's to help route the cables.
[02:11] <Haemogoblin2> i was hoping i could trouble someone to just give me a quick run through the process of setting wifi up and kubuntu..
[02:11] <Haemogoblin2> i'm pretty good under XP and osx
[02:11] <Dr_willis> All i did was install the proper driver for my wireless ard. clicked on the icon in the system tray and entered my ssid and password.
[02:12] <Dr_willis> Some drivers/cards may not have all the different encryption types availiable  perhaps?
[02:12] <Haemogoblin2> but there's no WEP security feature in the setup window
[02:12] <Haemogoblin2> right
[02:12] <Dr_willis> wep? isent that like the MOST insecure one?
[02:12] <Haemogoblin2> we use WEP2
[02:13] <Dr_willis> perthaps the wireless guide will have some info
[02:13] <Dr_willis> !wireless
[02:13] <Haemogoblin2> right
[02:13] <Haemogoblin2> well
[02:13] <Haemogoblin2> the reason i came on here..was i researched my card
[02:13] <Haemogoblin2> it took me to linuxquestions.org
[02:13] <Haemogoblin2> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-wireless-networking-41/3com-office-connect-3crwe154g72-387024/
[02:14] <Haemogoblin2> i found the above info on the site..
[02:14] <Dr_willis> a lot of those guides may be out of date. Now that Hardy is released. Its using some newer drivers/features for wireless.
[02:14] <Haemogoblin2> but...they are talking about having trouble with drivers and using commands i have no clue about
[02:14] <Dr_willis> It would be best to stick with the ubuntu/kubuntu specific guides.
[02:15] <Haemogoblin2> i should point out i've no linux knowledge...but i'm really wanting to give it a try..
[02:15] <Haemogoblin2> it looks really good
[02:15] <OmnipotentEntity> Hey guys, I was wondering if anyone had any experience using Super Flasher under wine.
[02:15] <Haemogoblin2> :D
[02:15] <Mimi> yeah he's only been using linux for ONE hour... :D give him some tips (unfortunately i dont use kde, i use gnome so... )
[02:15] <Haemogoblin2> hey any tips would be very much appreciated
[02:16] <OmnipotentEntity> Haemogoblin2, what issues are you facing?
[02:16] <[B5C]wallabee> anyone using a acer travelmate 4000 ?
[02:16] <OmnipotentEntity> None thus far?
[02:16] <Haemogoblin2> just the wireless
[02:16] <Haemogoblin2> thats it
 but there's no WEP security feature in the setup window
[02:16] <Haemogoblin2> soo i'm doing pretty good
[02:16] <OmnipotentEntity> x86 or x64?
[02:16] <Haemogoblin2> 86
[02:16] <OmnipotentEntity> Do you have kwifimanager installed?
[02:16] <Haemogoblin2> erm
[02:17] <OmnipotentEntity> I'll take that as an iunno.
[02:17] <Mimi> Just run that in a terminal window to find out ^_^
[02:17] <OmnipotentEntity> Alt+F2 will bring up your run box.
[02:17] <OmnipotentEntity> You can try there as well.
[02:18] <Haemogoblin2> nope it's not installed
[02:18] <OmnipotentEntity> Try knetworkmanager
[02:18] <v6lur> knetworkmanager should be installed & running by default
[02:18] <OmnipotentEntity> I know.
[02:18] <OmnipotentEntity> :)
[02:18] <jmichaelx> is anyone else having firefox/swiftfox continually jamming up or locking up on them in hardy?
[02:18] <Haemogoblin2> erm
[02:19] <Haemogoblin2> well
[02:19] <v6lur> but that linuxquestions thingy mentions ndiswrapper
[02:19] <Haemogoblin2> it did something
[02:19] <Haemogoblin2> but nothings popped up
[02:19] <v6lur> which is not installed by default, agaik
[02:19] <Haemogoblin2> but it definately loaded something
[02:19] <OmnipotentEntity> check by your clock in your systemtray
[02:19] <OmnipotentEntity> There should be an icon that you can right-click on.
[02:19] <Haemogoblin2> hep
[02:19] <v6lur> jmichaelx, no (Fx beta 5)
[02:19] <Haemogoblin2> i mean yep
[02:19] <OmnipotentEntity> Looks like a white popsicle kinda.
[02:19] <Haemogoblin2> a little usbpen icon
[02:20] <Haemogoblin2> it's there
[02:20] <OmnipotentEntity> Right click and see what you can do in there. ;)
[02:20] <Haemogoblin2> presently showing my internal ethernet connection
[02:20] <jmichaelx> v6lur: i am using the most recent firefox3, and it is locking up on 2 different PCs
[02:21] <OmnipotentEntity> ok, so chances are it just didn't detect and use your wireless card.
[02:21] <Haemogoblin2> before i look silly i'll point out the wifi card isn't in..i took it out just incase you guys might have needed model number info ect
[02:21] <OmnipotentEntity> hahaha
[02:21] <Haemogoblin2> its going in now
[02:21] <OmnipotentEntity> ok, I figured you had one built in.
[02:21] <Haemogoblin2> no
[02:21] <Haemogoblin2> lol
[02:21] <OmnipotentEntity> :) No worries.
[02:21] <Haemogoblin2> i'll install it now
[02:21] <Haemogoblin2> ok we're plugged in
[02:22] <OmnipotentEntity> Give it a second and then check in knetworkmanager again.
[02:22] <billyd> ?part
[02:22] <v6lur> now give networkmanager some 30 seconds to "find" it
[02:22] <billyd> ?\/part
[02:23] <Haemogoblin2> wooooh
[02:23] <Haemogoblin2> ok
[02:23] <Haemogoblin2> somethings working
[02:23] <Haemogoblin2> :D
[02:23] <Haemogoblin2> i just right clicked the icon
[02:23] <mneptok> !enter > Haemogoblin2
[02:23] <Mimi> yaaay :D
[02:23] <Haemogoblin2> and i'm finding our network
[02:23] <Haemogoblin2> and next doors
[02:23] <v6lur> cool
[02:24] <Haemogoblin2> ok give me a second and i shall have a go at getting it connected using it..if i vanish you'll know where i've gone
[02:24] <Haemogoblin2> and also...thanks muchly!
[02:25] <v6lur> jmichaelx: fx isn't my primary browser, so i don't use it very often, but i haven't noticed any crashes...
[02:25] <OmnipotentEntity> Anyway, my problem was I have an obscure program that I'm trying to run under wine, it's a ROM dumping/flashing program called superflasher.  It's just acting buggy.
[02:25] <OmnipotentEntity> I had been trying to get VirtualBox working, but none of my drivers work under the VirtualBox kernel.
[02:25] <OmnipotentEntity> :/
[02:25] <OmnipotentEntity> Or at least, none of the ones I care about, like video driver and wifi.
[02:26] <jmichaelx> v6lur: i doesn't exactly crash... it just stops working for several seconds off an on.... over and over
[02:26] <jmichaelx> it*
[02:26] <OmnipotentEntity> jmichaelx are you going to flash heavy sites?
[02:26] <OmnipotentEntity> And do you have the free version of flash installed?
[02:27] <jmichaelx> OmnipotentEntity: it behaves this way whether or not flash is being used
[02:27] <OmnipotentEntity> s/flash/java/g ?
[02:27] <jmichaelx> OmnipotentEntity: i am using adobe's flash
[02:27] <[B5C]wallabee> i really really hate ati ;)
[02:27] <OmnipotentEntity> What about Java?  Are you using Sun's version of Java.
[02:27] <OmnipotentEntity> ?
[02:28] <jmichaelx> OmnipotentEntity: yes, i am... but this is happening with FF without (obvious) connection to flash or java
[02:28] <jmichaelx> ...i think
[02:28] <OmnipotentEntity> AddOns?
[02:28] <OmnipotentEntity> Does it appear in top?
[02:29] <OmnipotentEntity> Is it dragging the rest of the system or is it isolated of FF?
[02:29] <jmichaelx> OmnipotentEntity: i have no addons on this FF.... on my laptop i have only stumbleupon... i don't think that is the issue
[02:29] <OmnipotentEntity> Is it's CPU usage spiking?
[02:29] <Haemogoblin3> Well thank you very much :D i'm online using the wireless card..that was amazingly painless
[02:29] <OmnipotentEntity> its rather.
[02:30] <OmnipotentEntity> Haemogoblin3, congrats!
[02:30] <jmichaelx> OmnipotentEntity: that is a good question... i am also trying to narrow this down... it may be more system-wide than i thought
[02:30]  * jmichaelx wonders what ever happened to intellikey
[02:30] <OmnipotentEntity> jmichaelx, I meant is Firefox's CPU usage spiking, but if you think something else may be the issue you can monitor your CPU usage using top or ksysguard
[02:30] <Haemogoblin3> can you guys recommend a good place to big up noobie tips/hints for kubuntu? i dont want to be annoying you chaps to much with questions
[02:31] <NickPresta> jmichaelx, does this happen on websites like Facebook and such? JavaScript intensive site, especially ones that like to send HTTP requests, can lock up your browser temporarily.
[02:31] <Mimi> Yeah I get that a lot on icanhazcheeseburger... they have soooo many widgets on their page!
[02:31] <jmichaelx> NickPresta: it has been happening to me even doing google searches
[02:31] <NickPresta> Haemogoblin3, the docs http://help.ubuntu.com
[02:31] <NickPresta> jmichaelx, processor specs?
[02:32] <jmichaelx> nick, on this machine i have a 2.5Ghz celeron w/ 11GB RAM
[02:32] <OmnipotentEntity> Haemogoblin3, the great thing about kubuntu and ubuntu is everyone uses it, so if you run across a problem someone has probably already stumbled on the same problem. ;)
[02:32] <jmichaelx> oops
[02:32] <jmichaelx> 11GB*
[02:32] <jmichaelx> grr
[02:32] <Haemogoblin3> whats the difference between kubuntu and ubuntu?
[02:32] <jmichaelx> 1GB*
[02:32] <jmichaelx> very touchy number keys
[02:32] <OmnipotentEntity> The kubuntu uses KDE, and ubuntu uses gnome.
[02:32] <Mimi> Oh yeah  Haemogoblin2    ubuntuforums.com  very very busy... make sure you search when you have a trouble, but it seems you are good about that :)
[02:33] <Haemogoblin3> cheers dude..i'll check that out
[02:33] <Mimi> kde and gnome are just two different... desktop environments
[02:33] <heath> anyone know where I can reverse lookup a cell number?
[02:33] <NickPresta> jmichaelx, I don't know what the problem would be. I would probably open up a terminal with top/htop running and watch for firefox spikes and see what is going on.
[02:33] <Mimi> This is #kubuntu not #csi   :P
[02:33] <Haemogoblin3> what is kde? i've seen that on several sites
[02:34] <Mimi> kde is your desktop
[02:34] <NickPresta> !kde > Haemogoblin3
[02:34] <OmnipotentEntity> I constantly have npviewer.bin running at 100% whenever I run youtube.
[02:34] <jmichaelx> nick, thanks. i'll keep investigating.
[02:34] <OmnipotentEntity> It's just my machine is a beast so I don't notice it. >_>
[02:34] <jmichaelx> most of my hardware is old junk, i like it that way
[02:35] <Haemogoblin3> right..see i'm slowly wrapping my head around it..i might make my main pc dual boot xp and kubuntu
[02:35] <OmnipotentEntity> Haemogoblin3, a desktop environment is just your UI.  Have you ever hacked Windows XP with a different explorer.exe?
[02:36] <Haemogoblin3> i've used stardock
[02:36] <Mimi> You might like Avant Window Manager then :D
[02:36] <OmnipotentEntity> That's kinda the difference between gnome and KDE.  It's just a different version of "explorer.exe"... sorta.
[02:36] <OmnipotentEntity> kinda.
[02:37] <Haemogoblin3> cool, thus far it looks really really good and on a P3 750 its nippy
[02:37] <OmnipotentEntity> There's more to it than that, but it's an easy to understand way of describing it
[02:37] <jmichaelx> do people use avant in KDE?
[02:37] <NickPresta> jmichaelx, some do
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> jmichaelx: yeah..but it generally sucks
[02:37] <jmichaelx> hmm,
[02:37] <jmichaelx> lol ok, i sort of figured it was cut out more for gnome
[02:37] <Haemogoblin3> i've not got around to costomizing the system...i just got it installed and go into getting my hardware working
[02:37] <Mimi> Sucks? Really? It runs with 0 problems under gnome, for me
[02:38] <jmichaelx> Mimi: we were talking about avant being used in KDE...
[02:38] <wirechief-intel> nosrednaekim: got that shutdown bug fixed now..had to patch that script
[02:38] <Haemogoblin3> i have a belkin bluetooth adaptor which i'm hoping i'll get workign at some point
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> wirechief-intel: yeah me too....
[02:38] <Daisuke_Ido> Mimi: a lot of avant's applets are dependent on gnome and gtk, it's not a good kde solution, yet
[02:38] <Mimi> Yes I know, but that comment struck me as odd that it doesnt run ok in kde... i was surprised, since its flawless in gnome, thats all... sheesh relax xF
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> !hardware | Haemogoblin this is invaluable for hardware problems
[02:39] <jmichaelx> the thing that really has me worked up is that weather.com changed  their page layout, and no liquid weather is not working
[02:39] <jmichaelx> now*
[02:39] <jmichaelx> i think i'll write them a nasty email
[02:39] <NickPresta> jmichaelx, you could write a new python script :)
[02:40] <jmichaelx> NickPresta: i was hoping to avoid that
[02:40] <NickPresta> jmichaelx, it shouldn't be too tough. a little BS and you're good to go
[02:40] <jmichaelx> lol, probably so
[02:40] <Mimi> Daisuke_Ido,  thanks i had no idea
[02:40] <jmichaelx> writing the scathing email would be fun, too... but probably less productive
[02:41] <Haemogoblin3> right i've bookmarked that page thanks :D
[02:41] <Daisuke_Ido> Mimi: no worries
[02:41] <Daisuke_Ido> i've been following awn pretty closely lately, the devs are trying to degnomify the applets
[02:41] <Haemogoblin3> so far this looks like a pretty sweet OS
[02:42] <wirechief-intel> nosrednaekim: cool thanks for the links
[02:42] <jmichaelx> i hope that by KDE4.1 we will be able to make the panel transparent again....
[02:42] <rignes> Hello all, where is the default run level in Hardy set?  In other distros I would just edit inittab but that file doesn't appear to exist in Kubuntu.
[02:42] <nosrednaekim> jmichaelx: you can do that now... install the slim-glow plasma theme
[02:43] <OmnipotentEntity> Hey guys, I was wondering if anyone had any experience using Super Flasher under wine.  It a bit of an obscure program, used for dumping and flashing ROMs to an SNES cart/programmable SNES cart.
[02:43] <nosrednaekim> !upstart | rignes
[02:43] <wirechief-intel> nosrednaekim: i had to get rid of firefox3 it was just too buggy, would not save bookmarks or homepage
[02:43] <rignes> Thanks
[02:43] <jmichaelx> nosrednaekim: ty, i didn't know there was such a thing. i am going to do that right now
[02:44] <jmichaelx> wirechief-intel: i have been having FF3 issues , too... all was well with FF3 until the most recent updates came down the line a few weeks ago
[02:44] <wirechief-intel> jmichaelx: hmm well till they sortem out im using ff2
[02:45] <Haemogoblin3> what is compiz?
[02:45] <Mimi> !compiz
[02:45] <Mimi> Oops :)
[02:45] <jmichaelx> compiz will eat your CPU
[02:45] <Haemogoblin3> i just tried to enable it and it wont
[02:45] <Mimi> Well Haemogoblin3  search youtube for compiz     :) :) :)
[02:45] <hi5> *compiz will eat your GPU
[02:45] <jmichaelx> lol
[02:45] <Haemogoblin3> right..
[02:45] <jmichaelx> that, too
[02:45] <OmnipotentEntity> I haven't had terrible amounts of CPU usage w/compiz.
[02:46] <Haemogoblin3> i just wondered how i alter...background colour ect ect
[02:46] <v6lur> Haemogoblin3, you need to logoff and logon again to use compiz-fusion
[02:46] <hi5> my cpu is currently at 3% at 798Mhz, and little use of my GPU even so?
[02:46] <jmichaelx> no, i was kidding. it isn't that bad
[02:46] <hi5> compiz pwnz all
[02:46]  * hi5 is compiz fiend
[02:46] <Mimi> compiz helps with my ADD ;p
[02:46] <jmichaelx> i don't use compiz much
[02:46] <OmnipotentEntity> Haemogoblin3, right click the desktop, Configure Desktop.
[02:46] <jmichaelx> LOL @ Mimi
[02:46] <Mimi> ctrl + p   and all the windows im not using become semi transparent :D
[02:46] <Haemogoblin3> well i just clicked on install desktop effect and it failed
[02:47] <v6lur> compiz-fusion is really cool, but kopete keeps crashing the system with emerald as window manager :/
[02:47] <OmnipotentEntity> compiz is useful.  But I don't like running with while running WoW.
[02:47] <Mimi> Haemogoblin3,  probably havent installed resttricted drivers yet
[02:47] <hi5> lol, seriously compiz helps with mine too!
[02:47] <jmichaelx> sweet, my slackware 12.1 CDs have finished downloading
[02:47] <Mimi> !restricted
[02:47] <hi5> the window darkening rocks!
[02:47] <Mimi> oops
[02:47] <Haemogoblin3> so how do i install it
[02:47] <Mimi> hi5,   i just make the windows look almost like they arent there (so that they blend in with the wallpaper ;) )
[02:47] <hi5> compiz (when it's not busy crashing) is like os-x on speed
[02:47] <Mimi> !compiz | Haemogoblin3
[02:48] <hi5> Mimi: ditto :)
[02:48] <Haemogoblin3> lol
[02:48] <v6lur> hi5, well said
[02:48] <tuanpham> morning every !
[02:48] <[B5C]wallabee> how can i find out which video driver kde4 is using (without starting kde4)
[02:48] <Haemogoblin3> is it worth having installed?
[02:48] <Mimi> Hi  tua :)
[02:48] <Mimi> Haemogoblin3,  depends on your needs and how good your computer is. still, its worth a try me thinks
[02:48] <tuanpham> hi Mimi
[02:48] <OmnipotentEntity> Haemogoblin3, do you like eyecandy?  Is your computer's GPU fast?
[02:49] <OmnipotentEntity> If you answered yes to both, compiz is right for you.
[02:49] <Haemogoblin3> thanks i thought i'd just ask..you guys have been using this os alot longer then me
[02:49] <Haemogoblin3> it's a 16mb ATI 128
[02:49] <OmnipotentEntity> :/
[02:49] <Mimi> You dont want compiz then
[02:49] <OmnipotentEntity> Don't install compiz.  You won't like it.
[02:49] <Haemogoblin3> 750 P3
[02:49] <OmnipotentEntity> Yeah.
[02:49] <Haemogoblin3> a basic compaq laptop
[02:50] <Mimi> Should probably be using xubuntu uh?
[02:50] <OmnipotentEntity> (from 2002. :)
[02:50] <Haemogoblin3> xubuntu?
[02:50] <OmnipotentEntity> I agree, you'll like xubuntu better.
[02:50] <v6lur> if kde runs fine, why change it?
[02:50] <jmichaelx> geesh, konqueror is not working correctly either
[02:50] <Mimi> True
[02:50] <Haemogoblin3> it's running very sweet right now
[02:51] <OmnipotentEntity> :) Good, don't fix what's not broken.
[02:51] <jmichaelx> i may have to do a fresh install... initially i thought my upgrade to hardy had gone smoothely
[02:51] <jmichaelx> An error occurred while loading https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion:
[02:51]  * Dr_willis waits for ServicePack1 for hardy.
[02:51] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:51] <Mimi> lol
[02:51] <OmnipotentEntity> Ouch Dr_willis, harsh.
[02:52] <Haemogoblin3> :D
[02:52] <OmnipotentEntity> Haemogoblin3, open up a terminal and run glxgears
[02:52] <Haemogoblin3> i'm just getting firefox..good and faithful
[02:52] <Haemogoblin3> what is that?
[02:52] <v6lur> it's a program to benchmark your graphics card
[02:52] <Haemogoblin3> can't run specified command
[02:53] <OmnipotentEntity> It's not really a benchmark, I just wanted to see if he had glx extensions installed.
[02:53] <Haemogoblin3> apparently i dont
[02:53] <OmnipotentEntity> But then again, ati open source drivers have 3d acceleration already.
[02:53] <OmnipotentEntity> I forgot that.
[02:53] <OmnipotentEntity> >_>
[02:53] <v6lur> well, that's how people round here ar using it :)
[02:54] <OmnipotentEntity> You mean like this:
[02:54] <OmnipotentEntity> (1)omnipotententity@oberus% glxgears                                                                                                                                             ~
[02:54] <OmnipotentEntity> 82994 frames in 5.0 seconds = 16594.297 FPS
[02:54] <OmnipotentEntity> 104067 frames in 5.0 seconds = 20813.357 FPS
[02:54] <OmnipotentEntity> 105443 frames in 5.0 seconds = 21088.562 FPS
[02:54] <OmnipotentEntity> :D
[02:54] <v6lur> yea
[02:54] <jmichaelx> sick the ops on OmnipotentEntity!
[02:54] <jmichaelx> oh well, nevermind
[02:54] <OmnipotentEntity> Yeah, not a benchmark, I preferred it when you had to pass the option --iunderstandthatthisisnotabenchmark
[02:55] <v6lur> lol
[02:55] <Dr_willis> I think who ever came up with that --iunderstand. bs should be shot.
[02:55] <Haemogoblin3> i take it kubuntu comes bundled with those ati drivers
[02:55] <Dr_willis> its as close to a bench mark as anything else ive seen. :)
[02:56] <OmnipotentEntity> He was.  The option isn't there anymore and it prints the FPS by default now.
[02:56] <nosrednaekim> Haemogoblin3: no... not really
[02:56] <nosrednaekim> Haemogoblin3: you can get them from the hardware deveices manager
[02:56] <Haemogoblin3> i might need a little, guidance :P
[02:56] <Haemogoblin3> DOH!!
[02:57] <jmichaelx> this shooting devs for stupid config flags could catch on
[02:57] <nosrednaekim> Haemogoblin3: system->hardware devicemanager
[02:57] <Haemogoblin3> okies loaded it up
[02:58] <OmnipotentEntity> be back later. :)
[02:58] <OmnipotentEntity> tootles.
[02:58] <nosrednaekim> Haemogoblin3: anything about the ati driver there?
[02:58] <Haemogoblin3> no proprietary drivers are in use on this system
[02:59] <jmichaelx> for some of the older ati video adaptors, the OS drivers are fairly awesome
[03:00] <Haemogoblin3> right
[03:00] <jmichaelx> i have a machine with compiz enabled, and working well.. using a radeon 9000, and OS drivers
[03:00] <Haemogoblin3> i dont think this little laptops GFX card would compare to even a 9000
[03:00] <jmichaelx> ahh, yeah, probably not
[03:01] <Haemogoblin3> i've just noticed a problem
[03:02] <Haemogoblin3> i followed a link off the wiki for compiz to a youtube video..it's not playing the vid
[03:02] <nosrednaekim> Haemogoblin3: run "sudo apt-get install flashplayer-nonfree"
[03:03] <v6lur> rather: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[03:04] <Haemogoblin3> should something pop up when i put that in the run command window
[03:04] <Mimi> Haemogoblin3,  oops, you want to run that from terminal window, not  from alt + f2 ^^
[03:05] <Haemogoblin3> ok how does one do that
[03:05] <nosrednaekim> Haemogoblin3: run it from a terminal.. a konsole
[03:05] <nosrednaekim> v6lur: that has the flash player?ok
[03:05] <nosrednaekim> Haemogoblin3: system->konsole
[03:06] <Haemogoblin3> could not find kubuntu- ect ect ect
[03:06] <Haemogoblin3> do i need the CD in
[03:06] <Mimi> Shouldn't
[03:07] <Haemogoblin3> haemogoblin@Compaq:~$  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras[sudo] password for haemogoblin:Reading package lists... DoneBuilding dependency treeReading state information... DoneE: Couldn't find package kubuntu-restricted-extrashaemogoblin@Compaq:~$
[03:07] <Mimi> AH
[03:07] <nosrednaekim> Haemogoblin3: ok, run " sudo apt-get update" to update your package lists
[03:08] <Mimi> not only that, doesnt he have to enable the extra repos, since restricted is non free?
[03:08] <Mimi> Where do you Kubuntians go to change the software sources? (In gnome I have Administration>Software Sources
[03:08] <Haemogoblin3> Ohh now something IS happening :D
[03:08] <nosrednaekim> probably already enabled
[03:08] <Mimi> It comes enabled by default? non free?
[03:09] <Haemogoblin3> ok done
[03:09] <nosrednaekim> Haemogoblin3: try the previous command
[03:10] <Haemogoblin3> sudo apt-get install flashplayer-nonfree?
[03:10] <[B5C]wallabee> hm my panel disappeared how can i get it back? already tried a restart
[03:10] <Haemogoblin3> just to confirm
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> yes
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> [B5C]wallabee: kde4?
[03:10] <[B5C]wallabee> yes
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> Mimi: adept_manger
[03:11] <Haemogoblin3> haemogoblin@Compaq:~$ sudo apt-get install flashplayer-nonfreeReading package lists... DoneBuilding dependency treeReading state information... DoneE: Couldn't find package flashplayer-nonfreehaemogoblin@Compaq:~$
[03:11] <nosrednaekim> [B5C]wallabee: "killall plasma && rm .kde4/share/config/plasma-appletsrc && plasma"
[03:12] <nosrednaekim> Haemogoblin3: go into adept manager->adept->manage repositories and check them all on
[03:13] <Mimi> Except CDs
[03:13] <nosrednaekim> yes
[03:13] <[B5C]wallabee> nosrednaekim, thank you ;)
[03:13] <nosrednaekim> [B5C]wallabee: you don't know how many times I've had to type that for people :)
[03:14] <sledge> anybody know how i can install an older (<2.6.24-16) kernel image without rolling my own?
[03:14] <nosrednaekim> sledge: you don't want to :P
[03:14] <nosrednaekim> !kernel
[03:14] <Haemogoblin3> so anything beginning with CD is a no no
[03:14] <nosrednaekim> Haemogoblin3: right... it would require you to have your CD all the time, which is a pain when you have a net connection
[03:14] <Mimi> Haemogoblin3,  don;'t want to use CD packages unless you have bad bad bad internet connection
[03:15] <Haemogoblin3> right
[03:15] <Haemogoblin3> ok ticking them off now
[03:15] <Haemogoblin3> erm
[03:15] <Haemogoblin3> there are alot of them..
[03:16] <nosrednaekim> like 6 right?
[03:16] <Haemogoblin3> no
[03:16] <Mimi> Haemogoblin3,
 Haemogoblin3,
[03:16] <Mimi> gaaah!!!!
[03:16] <sledge> nosrednaekim: I want to. Everything above -11 breaks my broadcom wireless adapter.
[03:16] <Mimi> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu      here you go
[03:16] <Haemogoblin3> there are ALOT
[03:17] <Mimi> actually Haemogoblin3  please ignore that link. try this one instead https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> Haemogoblin3: just in the "kubuntu software tab:
[03:17] <Haemogoblin3> 904 installed , 15 upgradable, 24798 availible
[03:18] <nosrednaekim> Haemogoblin3: oh... don't check all those packages! go into the adept menu->manage repositories
[03:18] <Haemogoblin3> ok
[03:18] <Haemogoblin3> going there now
[03:19] <nosrednaekim> make sure "restricted" is checked off
[03:19] <Mimi> Why have it checked off?
[03:20] <Haemogoblin3> i dont even see it :S
[03:20] <nosrednaekim> well... checked :)
[03:20] <Haemogoblin3> ooh i do now
[03:21] <nosrednaekim> multiverse and restricted
[03:21] <Haemogoblin3> drivers for devices ( restricted)
[03:21] <Haemogoblin3> and then the one below it? yes
[03:21] <nosrednaekim> ok... were they both checked before?
[03:21] <Haemogoblin3> yes
[03:22] <nosrednaekim> oh.... what version of kubuntu do you have?
[03:22] <Haemogoblin3> the latest
[03:22] <Haemogoblin3> what evers on the site
[03:22] <nosrednaekim> hmm ok..... well, why you are in adept_manager... search for "flash"
[03:23] <Haemogoblin3> wooo progress bars
[03:23] <nosrednaekim> ah! the package name is now "flashplugin-nonfree"
[03:23] <nosrednaekim> sorry about that
[03:23] <Haemogoblin3> its dwnloading stuff
[03:25] <Haemogoblin3> i dont see it on the list
[03:25] <Haemogoblin3> but there's alot of flash related findings in the search
[03:25] <nosrednaekim> not that though?
[03:25] <Haemogoblin3> no
[03:26] <Haemogoblin3> libflash
[03:26] <[B5C]wallabee> :( kde4 is too buggy
[03:26] <nosrednaekim> thats very odd... do you have the "kubuntu-restricted-extras" package?
[03:27] <Mimi> *sigh* isn't it called...   yes that,   ^
[03:27] <Haemogoblin3> how would i determine if i had?
[03:27] <Mimi> theres a search bar there
[03:27] <Mimi> search for:   restricted
[03:28] <Haemogoblin3> no
[03:28] <Haemogoblin3> one sex
[03:28] <Haemogoblin3> sec even
[03:29] <Haemogoblin3> nothing by that name
[03:29] <Haemogoblin3> linux-restricted-modules......
[03:30] <Mimi> no
[03:31] <joseph> !openaim
[03:32] <Haemogoblin3> :S
[03:32] <Mimi> Haemogoblin3,  i think i found out what the problem is :) stay tuned
[03:32] <Haemogoblin3> okies :)
[03:32] <Mimi> under the search bar, do you see SHOW: not installed, installed, etc etc?
[03:33] <Haemogoblin3> yes
[03:33] <Mimi> are they all checked?
[03:33] <Haemogoblin3> yes
[03:33] <Mimi> why do kubuntunians use adept manager >.> its so difficult to use, while gnome's  add/remove is so simple >.>
[03:33] <Mimi> mmmm thats odd xD
[03:33] <Mimi> match package name and description?
[03:34] <twoshadetod> is there a graph program? something that just gives you a graph and you can click a box and have it selected, preferably with other features but doesn'thave to
[03:35] <Mimi> Haemogoblin3,  you've already tried i think, sincce you've updates the repositories now, can you try this?   open a konsole from the system menu,  then run   sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[03:35] <nosrednaekim> twoshadetod: maybe kmplot
[03:35] <twoshadetod> hmmm
[03:35] <twoshadetod> thanks ill check that out
[03:36] <Haemogoblin3> ok doing it now
[03:37] <Mimi> *cough* me sugests installing gnome-app-install *cough* *cough!*
[03:37] <Haemogoblin3> nope
[03:37] <Haemogoblin3> not found
[03:37] <Haemogoblin3> :S
[03:37] <Mimi> OhMy Ubuntu even comes with Flickr Updates on it's repos!! Neat!
[03:37] <Mimi> the package blah blah was not found?
[03:38] <Haemogoblin3> yep
[03:38] <Haemogoblin3> it seems to be a running theme
[03:38] <Haemogoblin3> would firefox be flash enabled out of the box?
[03:38] <Mimi> xD  You must have not selected all the repositories / sources... :/
[03:38] <Mimi> Haemogoblin3,  I could swear mine was, but you know, I installed ubuntu soooo long ago i dont remmebr
[03:39] <Mimi> Would anyone be against him installing gnome-app-install..> ? lol its so easy to use compared to adept...
[03:39] <nosrednaekim> nah
[03:39] <nosrednaekim> thats fine :)
[03:40] <Haemogoblin3> under third party software..those need ticking right?
[03:40] <Mimi> Yes
[03:40] <Haemogoblin3> right
[03:40] <Haemogoblin3> ok!
[03:40] <Haemogoblin3> now i know where i went wrong...human error
[03:40] <Mimi> Like the repository list in adept... what the bunny is that mess!
[03:41] <Haemogoblin3> ook its once more updating
[03:41] <Mimi> Yeah it has to download the list of available applications and updates :)
[03:41] <Mimi> Has anyone told him to do update & upgrade yet?
[03:42] <andresj> hello. i am currently using gutsy. I wanna upgrade to hardy but I don't know if I'll need to reinstall the O.S. like I had to do last distro upgrade... any comments?
[03:42] <Mimi> andresj,  no, you dont have to do a fresh install
[03:43] <andresj> but does it work correctly? I mean, I also thought I didn't have to do a fresh install from feisty->gutsy
[03:43] <Haemogoblin3> ok
[03:43] <Mimi> I personally prefer to do a fresh install since it doesnt take too long.  If you  have a separate ./home partition I recomend you do a fresh install
[03:43] <Haemogoblin3> thus far what i did, i checked the two files under the CD part of the third party packages
[03:44] <Haemogoblin3> i searched for flash but i didn't see the plugin, so i've run sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras in the terminal and still nothing
[03:44] <Haemogoblin3> :S
[03:44] <andresj> mmm... I dont have a separate /home partition :(
[03:45] <andresj> I used to, but I got lazy the last two installs :D
[03:45] <Mimi> We told you not to enable Restricted, didn't we? .... *shakes head* ..... Who did that?! :P    hae, you need Restrict repositories too >.> Im sorry for the mess
[03:45] <heinkel_111> hello..is it possible to upgrade 7.10 --> 8.04 using the DVD?
[03:45] <Mimi> andresj,  maybe this time you could make up for your lazyness? *wink* *lets you borrow her usb drive for backup ^^
[03:45] <Mimi> Yeah it is heinkel_111
[03:45] <andresj> :D
[03:45] <Mimi> !install
[03:46] <andresj> !automate
[03:46] <andresj> ahh...
[03:46] <heinkel_111> Mimi ...I looked at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades/Kubuntu and it only mentions the alternate CD, that is why I asked
[03:46] <Haemogoblin3>  Restrict repositories ??
[03:46] <Mimi> Yes, enable those, hae
[03:47] <Haemogoblin3> i ran a search again
[03:48] <Haemogoblin3> for restricted and it didn't find it still
[03:48] <nosrednaekim> Haemogoblin3: :(
[03:48] <Haemogoblin3> :S
[03:48] <nosrednaekim> sorry, I'm outa ideas... something is messed up there
[03:48] <Haemogoblin3> :S
[03:48] <matiii> hi
[03:48] <Haemogoblin3> well i've not had time to mess it up myself
[03:48] <Haemogoblin3> lol
[03:48] <Mimi> You're right lol
[03:48] <matiii> any body can help me, i cant install nvidia drivers
[03:49]  * Mimi googles for a clean sources file
[03:49] <Haemogoblin3> i'll install firefox and get back to you
[03:49] <Haemogoblin3> it might solve it
[03:50]  * Mimi loves having firefox launch in 1 sec   when I have 20 tabs and just booted ;p
[03:50] <Haemogoblin3> ooook, how do i install firefox lol...
[03:50] <Haemogoblin3> :S
[03:51] <Mimi> did you search it for firefox?
[03:51] <Haemogoblin3> ?
[03:51] <Mimi> adept manager
[03:51] <Haemogoblin3> nope
[03:51] <Haemogoblin3> i only just downloaded the firefox zip
[03:51] <Mimi> lol :)
[03:52] <Mimi> welcome to ubuntu, where you usually never need to download stuff from websites :)
[03:52] <Haemogoblin3> having just unzipped it....i'm looking for the EXE or the installer
[03:52] <Mimi> just type sudo apt-get install firefox :) Why work when ubuntu does it for you :)
[03:52] <Haemogoblin3> in ther terminal i guess
[03:52] <Mimi> its faster :)
[03:53] <Haemogoblin3> what about when i need to install stuff manuall
[03:53] <Mimi> You will rarely have to
[03:53] <Mimi> very very rarely
[03:53] <nosrednaekim> you PROBABLY won't ever have to
[03:53] <Mimi> Yeah.
[03:53] <Haemogoblin3> right..
[03:53] <Haemogoblin3> ok
[03:54] <Haemogoblin3> then can some explain to me this sudo apt thingy
[03:54] <Mimi> Yeah, one sec
[03:54] <Haemogoblin3> :P
[03:54] <Mimi> guys what text editor does kubuntu use, is it kate?
[03:54] <Haemogoblin3> hehe...my OS is doing things for me that simply is not meant to happen
[03:55] <andresj> Mimi, I think kwrite is the default
[03:55] <Mimi> thanks
[03:55] <Haemogoblin3> simple laws of microsoft state that your os is supposed to STOP you from doing things..not help you!
[03:55] <andresj> (at least it is for KDE4--been disconnected from the kde3 world for over 5 months now :D)
[03:55] <Mimi> hae, can you do me a big favor? could you  type in that konsole:           sudo kwrite /etc/fstab    (DONT make any changes, just copy, paste it here: http://paste.ubuntu.com  )
[03:55] <andresj> Haemogoblin3: and they are very good at it :D
[03:56] <Mimi> Yea....
[03:56] <nosrednaekim> !apt
[03:56] <Mimi> I <3 not needing a firewall and antivirus :D
[03:57] <andresj> yeah I can't remember the last time i did anything even related to an antivirus
[03:57] <Haemogoblin3> eeeep
[03:57] <Mimi> omg hae, ignore waht i said. LOL
[03:58] <heinkel_111> where di I find the MD5 checksum for the AMD64 DVD version of kubuntu 8.04?
[03:58] <Haemogoblin3> what?
[03:58] <Haemogoblin3> ignore what?
[03:58] <Mimi> Guys where is the apt lists saved at? /etc/apt/.....
[03:58] <nosrednaekim> sources.list in that dir, yes
[03:59] <Haemogoblin3> dude i have this fstab window full of text
[03:59] <Mimi> Ok thanks *rubs sweat off forehead with  her sleeve* lol
[03:59] <Mimi> lol sorry i gave you the wrong file *blush*  just close that *blush*
[03:59] <Haemogoblin3> lol
[03:59] <wirechief-intel> heinkel_1 fc43f665ba51c4be0d95c011aefef45d *ubuntu-8.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[04:00] <Mimi> instead do               sudo  kwrite  /etc/apt/sources.list          please copy everything and paste it at http://paste.ubuntu.com   and  give us the link when you're done ^^   (What Im trying to do is set up the lists correctly for you ^^;;;
[04:00] <Mimi> If you don't mind :)
[04:00] <Haemogoblin3> it's fine i'm a PC user i'm used to my os doing random things without my knowledge
[04:00] <heinkel_111> wirechief-intel: you sure that is for the DVD?
[04:00] <Mimi> lol
[04:01] <heinkel_111> wirechief-intel: that is the cd file
[04:01] <wirechief-intel> heinkel_111: its what i got from www.distrowatch.com but for dvd ?? dont know
[04:01] <heinkel_111> the dvd is named kubuntu-8.04-dvd-amd64.iso
[04:01] <Haemogoblin3> haemogoblin@Compaq:~$ sudo  kwrite  /etc/apt/sources.listsudo:  kwrite: command not foundhaemogoblin@Compaq:~$
[04:01] <nosrednaekim> uhh kate :)
[04:01] <wirechief-intel> heinkel_111: i just checked my list it is not given  oh well
[04:02] <Mimi> gah you guys hate me or what :D
[04:02] <nosrednaekim> oh.. and make that kdesudo
[04:02] <Mimi> replace kwrite with kate   ....    you guys hate me !!  lol i love this channel
[04:02] <andresj> oh that made me remember: now that I'm doing a fresh install, should I use amd64 or i386? I currently use i386 because of all the compatibility problems (flash, blender3d--which is fixed now, etc), but I used to have amd64 before.
[04:02] <Haemogoblin3> lol
[04:02] <andresj> so that's ``kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list`` :D
[04:03] <Mimi> This would never happen at #ubuntu... they're so stern
[04:03] <Mimi> Yes that will do * as andresj  said
[04:03] <nosrednaekim> Mimi: way more traffic, yes :)
[04:04] <heinkel_111> wirechief-intel & others, I solved the checksum problem, have some coffee!
[04:04] <Haemogoblin3> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11052/
[04:04] <Haemogoblin3> there you go
[04:04] <Mimi> Thanks
[04:04] <Haemogoblin3> np
[04:04] <Haemogoblin3> i should mention
[04:04] <Haemogoblin3> that when i inserted that command into the terminal is error'd
[04:04] <Mimi> Ok gimme a sec *editing*
[04:04] <Mimi> What did it say?
[04:04] <Haemogoblin3> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-haemogoblin" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.Error: "/tmp/kde-haemogoblin" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.Error: "/tmp/ksocket-haemogoblin" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[04:05] <nosrednaekim> yeah... thats cause you ran it with sudo
[04:05] <nosrednaekim> don't EVER run graphical programs with sudo
[04:05] <Haemogoblin3> i'm not savvy on what the heck i'm doing just yet
[04:05] <Mimi> Its my fault ;)
[04:05] <Haemogoblin3> lol
[04:05] <Mimi> I always run stuff with sudo (havent had problems with it)
[04:05] <Mimi> !multiverse
[04:06] <andresj> I just use nano when doing admin stuff to avoid this :D
[04:06] <nosrednaekim> Mimi: its different in GNOME
[04:06] <nosrednaekim> laterz guys
[04:06] <nosrednaekim> good luck
[04:06] <nosrednaekim> and gals :)
[04:06] <Haemogoblin3> byee
[04:06] <Haemogoblin3> and thank you for your help
[04:06] <nosrednaekim> yeah.. NP :)
[04:07] <Mimi> ok Haemogoblin3     http://paste.ubuntu.com/11054/plain/     all i did is enable multiverse
[04:07] <Mimi> multiverse: non free (usually non open source) software.
[04:07] <Mimi> like flash me thinks
[04:07] <andresj> Mimi: wouldn't it have been simpler to use Adept Manager for that?
[04:08] <Haemogoblin3> now..i think you will know my next question....what do i do with this nice..very lovely look stream of text
[04:08] <Mimi> andresj,   yea but but but...   we were having trouble picking the right ones. I dont blame it, the interface is rusty and  he's new to it so
[04:08] <Mimi> :)
[04:09] <Mimi> kdesudo  kate /etc/apt/sources.list          replace everything by that new link
[04:09] <Haemogoblin3> ok so i type that into the terminal
[04:09] <Mimi> Yes
[04:10] <Mimi> and no, you dont have to do stuff on the konsole all the time in case youre wondering!    i just want to  set  you up with that real quick so you can get going and learning more / quicker ;)
[04:10] <Haemogoblin3> ok.....*sigh* i really dont know what the heck i'm doing
[04:10] <Haemogoblin3> lol
[04:10] <Mimi> Ask if you have a doubt
[04:10] <Haemogoblin3> i fear at the moment my brains might melt
[04:10] <Mimi> lol
[04:11]  * Mimi wonders why her cat is sitting on the stove staring at the wall. i think HER brain has melted.
[04:11] <Haemogoblin3> erm it says command not found
[04:11] <Haemogoblin3> haemogoblin@Compaq:~$ kdesudo  kate /etc/apt/sources.listsudo: Â: command not found
[04:11] <twoshadetod> where is a good linux games website?
[04:12] <Mimi> did you copy and paste?  it seems it copied a unicode (?) character ^^ try typing it manually
[04:13] <andresj> Haemogoblin3: APT is like a database of programs: it includes links to the installers, description and what other programs should be downloaded with it (like you have to install the .NET Framework before using some programs in Windows). This database is constantly updated from repositories. What you just did was a repository, thus enabling you to install more programs using APT.
[04:13] <Haemogoblin3> kdesudo  kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:13] <Haemogoblin3> thats the right command yes?
[04:13] <Mimi> Yeah except when you install something that requires .net, you have to do download it and install it yourself. in Ubuntu, if an app needs something, APT does it itself ;)
[04:13] <Mimi> Yes that's right Haemogoblin3
[04:14] <Haemogoblin3> haemogoblin@Compaq:~$ kdesudo kate/etc/apt/sources.listsudo: kate/etc/apt/sources.list: command not found
[04:14] <Haemogoblin3> thats with me typing it out
[04:14] <Mimi> guys, its kdesudo right?!
[04:15] <andresj> #Haemogoblin3: did you j
[04:15] <andresj> ah!
[04:15] <wirechief-intel> twoshadtod http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Ffiles.filefront.com%2FZero%2BBallistics%2Bv110%2BBeta%2Bfor%2BLinux%2F%3B10070204%3B%2Ffileinfo.html&ei=r8EjSPXiFoHUpgT9wuC_Cw&usg=AFQjCNFlIHsJLCNcRMmyInoXLdDPSmyFhw&sig2=phqji5hWGvMpsOe7sFILcA
[04:15] <andresj> I forgot this is not the command line, that you can comment out a line by adding # :D
[04:15] <Mimi> andresj,  its kdesudo? or kdesu ?
[04:15] <andresj> kdesudo I think
[04:16] <andresj> but try kdesu
[04:16] <andresj> because that also exists here
[04:16] <Mimi> lol I feel bad for this mess :)
[04:16] <wirechief-intel> twoshadtod thats a great tank game
[04:17] <Haemogoblin3> i just tried kdesu
[04:17] <Haemogoblin3> same error
[04:17] <Mimi> holy bunny
[04:17] <Haemogoblin3> :S
[04:18] <andresj> type `sudo -i`, type the password, and then `curl http://paste.ubuntu.com/11054/plain/ > /etc/apt/sources.list` and then `exit`
[04:18] <Mimi> Wwwooooowww that's so cool :)
[04:18] <andresj> :D
[04:18] <Mimi> but curl is on a fresh install? lol i doubt it  *rolf!*
[04:18] <andresj> actually, do this then, instead of the curl thing: `wget -O - http://paste.ubuntu.com/11054/plain/ > /etc/apt/sources.list`
[04:19] <wirechief-intel> just apt-get install curl
[04:19] <Mimi> :-)
[04:19] <Mimi> Nah, dont make him install anything yet, lets just get this thing clear....
[04:19] <Haemogoblin3> haemogoblin@Compaq:~$ sudo -i[sudo] password for haemogoblin:root@Compaq:~# curl http://paste.ubuntu.com/11054/plain/ > /etc/apt/sources.listThe program 'curl' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:apt-get install curlYou will have to enable the component called 'main'-bash: curl: command not foundroot@Compaq:~#
[04:20] <andresj> Haemogoblin3: yeah use "wget -O -" instead of "curl" :D
[04:20] <Mimi> wget -O - http://paste.ubuntu.com/11054/plain/ > /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:20] <Mimi> ^ that
[04:20] <andresj> I forgot it wasn't installed by default
[04:20] <Mimi> Poor Haemogoblin3 , he must be thinking we're / I am a bunch of ... bunnies... or something... ;p
[04:20] <andresj> :D
[04:20] <Haemogoblin3> well something happened
[04:20] <Mimi> :)
[04:21] <andresj> then its done
[04:21] <Haemogoblin3> root@Compaq:~# curl http://paste.ubuntu.com/11054/plain/ > /etc/apt/sources.listThe program 'curl' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:apt-get install curlYou will have to enable the component called 'main'-bash: curl: command not foundroot@Compaq:~# sudo -iroot@Compaq:~# wget -O - http://paste.ubuntu.com/11054/plain/ > /etc/apt/sources.list--04:20:41--  http://paste.ubuntu.com/11054/plain/     
[04:21] <Haemogoblin3> te.ubuntu.com|91.189.90.174|:80... connected.HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OKLength: unspecified [text/plain]    [ <=>                                 ] 2,639         --.--K/s04:20:41 (48.17 MB/s) - `-' saved [2639]
[04:22] <Mimi> That's a green light for GO, right? andresj  ?
[04:22] <andresj> yes I'm guessing yeah
[04:22] <Haemogoblin3> erm so am i flash enabled now
[04:22] <Mimi> or should he      more /etc/apt/sources.list | grep multiverse
[04:22] <Mimi> Alright, I guess that's a GO   xD
[04:22] <andresj> I tihnk that wont be necessary
[04:22] <Mimi> oops
[04:22] <Mimi> Ok, yes. Open adept manager     again  (someone remind him where it is)
[04:23] <Haemogoblin3> i know
[04:23] <Mimi> yay
[04:23] <andresj> wait, won't it be easier to let firefox install it for you?
[04:23] <Mimi> Sure? Let's give it a go
[04:23] <Haemogoblin3> eeep
[04:23] <andresj> cuz now it can install it when a page with flash is opened
[04:23] <Haemogoblin3> ok
[04:23] <Mimi> Oh RLY. Alright :) Install Firefox first then  :)
[04:23] <Mimi> Cool beans
[04:24] <Haemogoblin3> i'll go find firefox
[04:24] <Haemogoblin3> hey mimi thats my saying
[04:24] <Mimi> be careful, it burns to the touch
[04:24] <andresj> lol
[04:24] <Haemogoblin3> and its with a z at the end
[04:24] <Mimi> ^^
[04:24] <Haemogoblin3> Kewl beanz!
[04:24] <Haemogoblin3> :P
[04:24] <Mimi> k00l b3anz?
[04:24] <Haemogoblin3> hehehe
[04:24] <Haemogoblin3> you have to like an os that comes packed with a torrent client
[04:24] <Haemogoblin3> hahaha
[04:25] <Mimi>  FIrefox: Contents are hot. Handle carefully.
[04:25] <Mimi> lol yea!
[04:25] <Mimi> I made my final move to Linux today : I finally formatted my backup drive from ntfs to ext :D
[04:26] <Daisuke_Ido> Mimi: congrats :D
[04:26] <Mimi> ^_^
[04:26] <andresj> lol I did that about one year ago
[04:26] <Daisuke_Ido> your soul is ours now.
[04:26] <andresj> :D
[04:26] <Daisuke_Ido> :D
[04:26] <Haemogoblin3> firefox is having me download the flash plugin
[04:26] <Mimi> :-) My soul was Ubuntu's ever since I started using it *heart beats fast* : )
[04:26] <Mimi> Nice...
[04:26] <Mimi> Ubuntu is 99% of everything I could ask from an OS :)
[04:27] <Haemogoblin3> sigh
[04:27] <Haemogoblin3> ok that didnt go to plan
[04:27] <Mimi> What happened
[04:27] <andresj> what happened
[04:27] <Haemogoblin3> i was directed tot eh adobe website to download the player
[04:27] <Mimi> Eh. Plan B :)
[04:27] <Daisuke_Ido> Mimi: just out of curiosity, what's the other 1%
[04:27] <andresj> that isnt what I expected wither
[04:27] <Haemogoblin3> i downloaded the tar.gz file
[04:27] <Mimi> Go back to adept  and search for that  flash nonfree thingie
[04:27] <andresj> no need to do that, Haemogoblin3.
[04:28] <Mimi> Nah dont get the tar file *wink*
[04:28] <Mimi> Adobe hates us.
[04:28] <andresj> sudo apt-get install flash-nonfree
[04:28] <andresj> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[04:28] <Mimi> Daisuke_Ido,    random minor bugs here and there
[04:28] <Mimi> Hey andresj  I thought you didn't want me to encourage him to use konsole!! :P
[04:29] <andresj> :D lol
[04:29] <Daisuke_Ido> Mimi: perfectly understandable
[04:29] <andresj> well in any case I gave him the package name :)
[04:29] <Mimi> Yeah :)
[04:29] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm still running into little things like that almost two years after switching
[04:29] <Mimi> does konsole have the TAB auto completion thingie?
[04:29] <andresj> yes
[04:29] <Mimi> alright
[04:30] <Mimi> My best friends are Ubuntu + terminal  + TAB completition  thingy
[04:30] <andresj> :)
[04:30] <andresj> I never noticed I could do "sudo apt-get install fire" + TAB and have firefox
[04:30] <Haemogoblin3> Reading package lists... DoneBuilding dependency treeReading state information... DonePackage flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package.This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, oris only available from another sourceE: Package flashplugin-nonfree has no installation candidatehaemogoblin@Compaq:~$
[04:31] <andresj> Do update
[04:31] <andresj> Update Package list I think its called
[04:31] <Mimi> What andresj  means is do    sudo apt-get update
[04:31] <Mimi> or that....
[04:31] <Haemogoblin3> thanks mimi
[04:31] <andresj> which do you feel more comfortable doing, Haemogoblin3? the terminal or the gui?
[04:32] <Mimi> AFTER update, do             sudo apt-get upgrade                   and AFTER that's done, do the sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[04:32] <Mimi> andresj,  eek, he's only been using kubuntu for about a hour and a half ;) might be too early for him to know ^^
[04:32] <adf585> alguien de mexico
[04:32] <adf585> ??
[04:32] <andresj> true, true
[04:32] <Mimi> !espanol
[04:32] <adf585> sip
[04:32] <andresj> adf585: yo soy de peru, pero si hablo espanol :D
[04:32] <adf585> okok
[04:32] <adf585> al fin
[04:32] <adf585> ejej
[04:33] <adf585> q  roio
[04:33] <Mimi> Aaah spanish sounds soooo nice :)
[04:33] <adf585> como estan
[04:33] <andresj> :)
[04:33] <andresj> bien bien
[04:33] <adf585> cual es su bussines
[04:33] <Mimi> muy bien, y tu ? (my espanol es malo ;) )
[04:33] <Mimi> usted? tu?
[04:33] <Mimi> lol
[04:33] <andresj> lol
[04:33] <dbglt> kde 4.04. Whenever I change fonts in systemsettings, they do not persist, and do not apply in other applications. Any ideas what is up?
[04:33] <andresj> estamso ayudando a un noob de uan hora y media :D
[04:33] <neogmx> wut
[04:34] <neogmx> is this spanish or english channel?
[04:34] <Mimi> english :P
[04:34] <neogmx> lol
[04:34] <Mimi> spanglish?
[04:34] <Haemogoblin3> to be honest...if i was up on the commands for the terminal i'd be ok with it
[04:34] <neogmx> am a spanish speaker but i was like "whoops wrong channel" then i saw 2 spanish ones
[04:34] <neogmx> i was like what happen to the english one
[04:34] <andresj> yeah probablemente deveriamos hablar en espanol en #kubuntu-es
[04:34] <Haemogoblin3> it reminds me pretty much of dos...
[04:34] <andresj> porque nos van a empezar a botar :)
[04:34] <neogmx> sip
[04:34] <neogmx> sip
[04:35] <Haemogoblin3> unscorchio!
[04:35] <Mimi> Haemogoblin3,  yeah in that case.... :)  remember if you're not sure what a command is called, you can usually start typing a few letters then press TAB to have konsole provide you with sugestions
[04:35] <Haemogoblin3> right..
[04:35] <andresj> but write two letters or more
[04:35] <andresj> cuz if not you'll get 100 commands :D
[04:36] <Haemogoblin3> i might actually read up on kubutu first
[04:36] <Mimi> So what's going on Haemogoblin3    ....  did you do the update upgrade thingy?
[04:36] <Haemogoblin3> it's doing it now
[04:36] <Haemogoblin3> and razzing my hdd like a nutter
[04:36] <K`zan_emc> restarting into kde!  Thanks stdin !
[04:37] <Mimi> brb im gonna log in to kde (im on gnome)
[04:37] <andresj> yeah you should probably enable automatic upgrades so that you don't have to go through this everyday
[04:37] <Mimi> arent they enabled by default in kde?!?! O.o
[04:37] <andresj> I dont know
[04:37] <Haemogoblin3> its done it again
[04:37] <andresj> Haemogoblin3: what did it do?
[04:37] <Haemogoblin3> the file is missing our obsolete
[04:37] <andresj> huh?
[04:37] <Haemogoblin3> i performed the last bit of your instructions
[04:38] <andresj> sudo apt-get install firefoxplugin-nonfree ?
[04:38] <Mimi> Back. I'm on KDE now :D
[04:38] <Haemogoblin3> AFTER update, do             sudo apt-get upgrade                   and AFTER that's done, do the sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[04:38] <andresj> Mimi, you using kde3 or kde4?
[04:39] <Haemogoblin3> is what i just did
[04:39] <andresj> what did it say exactly?
[04:39] <Haemogoblin3> ldconfig deferred processing now taking placehaemogoblin@Compaq:~$ sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfreeReading package lists... DoneBuilding dependency treeReading state information... DonePackage flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package.This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, oris only available from another sourceE: Package flashplugin-nonfree has no ins
[04:39] <Mimi> O-o they might have changed it since last time.  install kubuntu-restricted-extras?
[04:40] <Mimi> andresj,  im running 3.5.9 ---- is 4   worth updating to yet?
[04:41] <andresj> Mimi, the effects are good, although I play so many 3d games its just not worth it to enable and disable it every time
[04:41] <andresj> the style is pretty good
[04:41] <Haemogoblin3> How do i do that mimi
[04:41] <Mimi> the effects are kde effects, not compiz effects?
[04:41] <andresj> kde effects
[04:41] <nas> anyone knows of a good keylogger program for gutsy?
[04:41] <andresj> Haemogoblin3: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras :D
[04:41] <Mimi> Without the smiley!
[04:41] <andresj> lol
[04:42] <Haemogoblin3> are you sure :P
[04:42] <Mimi> *shakes head*  I hate kde its too much like windows :P
[04:42] <andresj> no, actually the smiley is required by the program
[04:42] <nas> anyone?
[04:42] <andresj> Mimi, kde4 is less like windows
[04:42] <Haemogoblin3> haemogoblin@Compaq:~$ sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extrasReading package lists... DoneBuilding dependency treeReading state information... DoneE: Couldn't find package kubuntu-restricted-extras
[04:42] <andresj> specially because of the plasma thing
[04:43] <andresj> Mimi, are you using hardy?
[04:43] <Mimi> andresj,  everything is so complicated looking in kde, for me that is. i like the simplicity of gnome.  like that adept manager, its a eye sore!! you try the gnome add remove... its so clean and easy to use!
[04:43] <Mimi> yes i am andresj
[04:43] <andresj> yeah adept manager is seriously bad
[04:43] <nas> keylogger
[04:43] <Mimi> sudo apt-get install gnome-app-install    *snickers*
[04:43] <Mimi> I have no idea nas
[04:43] <Haemogoblin3> well getting flash to work seem nutz
[04:43] <Haemogoblin3> :S
[04:44] <andresj> i didnt like to use it before, but when i upgraded to kde4 I switched to aptitude
[04:44] <Mimi> Haemogoblin3,  nah its not, we messed it up for you ^^
[04:44] <Haemogoblin3> :(
[04:44] <andresj> Haemogoblin3: it actually is one of the easist things to do
[04:44] <Haemogoblin3> well it doesnt seem it
[04:44] <andresj> I mean it should be
[04:44] <Haemogoblin3> lol
[04:44] <Mimi> Its just been a while for us Haemogoblin3  so we dont remember all the little details, a few things have changed since we last had to do this :P
[04:44] <o0Chris0o> hello guys, anyone familiar with ubottu bot and its functions plz PM me or join me in #ubuntu-irc, I have some questions. Thanks
[04:44] <Haemogoblin3> i'm just reading the adobe guide
[04:45] <Haemogoblin3> # Click the "Download .tar.gz" link. A dialog box will appear asking you where to save the file.# Save the .tar.gz file to your desktop and wait for the file to download completely.# Unpackage the file. A directory called install_flash_player_9_linux will be created.# In terminal, navigate to this directory and type ./flashplayer-installer to run the installer. Click Enter. The installer will instruct you to shut dow
[04:45] <Haemogoblin3> be installed in your Mozilla browser. To verify, launch Mozilla and choose Help > About Plug-ins from the browser men
[04:45] <Mimi> Haemogoblin3,  noooooo :)
[04:45] <Mimi> damn
[04:46] <andresj> I know whats wrong
[04:46] <andresj> there are two lines missing in the sources.list
[04:47] <Mimi> There are? we enabled multiverse
[04:47] <andresj> enabled multiverse for the backports
[04:47] <andresj> but not for the main
[04:47] <Mimi> yaarp
[04:48] <andresj> here http://paste.ubuntu.com/11059/plain/
[04:48] <Haemogoblin3> :S
[04:48] <[B5C]wallabee> kde is always freezing or i get a white or black screen. is there another way then adding vesa to the xorg to get kubuntu 8.04 working with 9700 mobility?
[04:48] <[B5C]wallabee> i tried kde 3 and kde4 same prob
[04:48] <Haemogoblin3> ok i followed that link
[04:48] <Haemogoblin3> and it's opened up a new window
[04:48] <andresj> `sudo -i` Enter pasword. `wget -O - http://paste.ubuntu.com/11059/plain/ > /etc/apt/sources.list` Enter. `exit`
[04:48] <Haemogoblin3> plain - kate
[04:49] <andresj> yes that's what should be in your sources.list
[04:49] <andresj> just update it like we did before
[04:49] <andresj> and then update, upgrade and install
[04:49] <Mimi> andresj, you might want to clear that thing , it looks confusing to read....  the sudo thing
[04:49] <Mimi> In other words.
[04:50] <Mimi> Type      sudo -i           press enter and enter password
[04:50] <Mimi> type             wget -O - http://paste.ubuntu.com/11059/plain/ > /etc/apt/sources.list                 then enter
[04:50] <Mimi> let it do its thing.
[04:50] <Mimi> then  type              exit
[04:51] <andresj> and Enter :D
[04:51] <Mimi> ofcourse =^..^=
[04:51] <o0Chris0o> j/ #supybot
[04:51] <Mimi> ?
[04:52] <Mimi> andresj,    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash     *.... blush*
[04:52] <Haemogoblin3> my machines gone silly
[04:52] <andresj> actually, I just thought of a simpler command: `sudo wget -O /etc/apt/sources.list http://paste.ubuntu.com/11059/plain/`
[04:53] <andresj> Haemogoblin3: how did it go silly?
[04:53] <Haemogoblin3> that last command worked
[04:54] <Haemogoblin3> my video is slow and laggt
[04:54] <andresj> what video?
[04:54] <andresj> flash video?
[04:54] <Haemogoblin3> and i have a random A inside a box in the middle of the chat window
[04:54] <andresj> that is wierd.
[04:54] <andresj> you should finish upgrading
[04:55] <andresj> and then restart the X server or computer
[04:55] <Haemogoblin3> haemogoblin@Compaq:~$ sudo wget -O /etc/apt/sources.list http://paste.ubuntu.com/11059/plain/--04:53:29--  http://paste.ubuntu.com/11059/plain/           => `/etc/apt/sources.list'Resolving paste.ubuntu.com... 91.189.90.174Connecting to paste.ubuntu.com|91.189.90.174|:80... connected.HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OKLength: unspecified [text/plain]    [ <=>                                 ] 2,899        
[04:55] <andresj> (to restart the X server, logout, click on the menu, and click on "restart X server")
[04:55] <andresj> that means it worked
[04:55] <Haemogoblin3> cool
[04:55] <andresj> Mimi, you still there?
[04:56] <Haemogoblin3> i'm falling asleep almost
[04:56] <andresj> lol
[04:56] <Haemogoblin3> :S
[04:56] <andresj> what step are you in?
[04:56] <Haemogoblin3> ??
[04:57] <andresj> `sudo apt-get update`, `sudo apt-get upgrade`, `sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree`
[04:57] <andresj> :D
[05:00] <Mimi> Sorry I was putting my boyfriend to bed :)
[05:00] <Haemogoblin3> Sweet beans its working
[05:00] <Mimi> YAY! :D
[05:01] <Mimi> So it was the non backports multiverse andresj ?
[05:01] <andresj> yes
[05:01] <andresj> it most definiely is :D
[05:01] <Mimi> Did you see that link I sent though?
[05:01] <andresj> yes
[05:01] <andresj> I have it open right now
[05:01] <Mimi> It says adobe provides the installer now? :/ so the flashplugin-nonfree still works eh
[05:02] <andresj> it says adobe provides flash, it doesnt say it provides the installer
[05:02] <Kr|ptiX> can somone help me install a amarok theme
[05:02] <andresj> Kr|ptiX: what is the problem?
[05:03] <Haemogoblin3> right i'm going to bed...
[05:03] <Kr|ptiX> andresj: im tryn to install a theme but its not applying on restart
[05:03] <andresj> how did you install it?
[05:04] <Mimi> Already? well goodnight Haemogoblin3   ... come back tomorrow :)
[05:04] <andresj> Haemogoblin3: :D see you then
[05:04] <Haemogoblin3> dudes and dudet...if you could drop me an email at manic_nutter@hotmail.com....just incase i can't find my way back here after a nights sleep
[05:04] <andresj> lol
[05:04] <Mimi> pfft!
[05:04] <Mimi> Youll be fine :P
[05:05] <Kr|ptiX> andresj: i just clicked on download new style
[05:05] <Haemogoblin3> i actually dont recall how i found this forum..
[05:05] <andresj> mmm... this might be ovbious but are you using File->Quit to restart it? :P
[05:05] <Mimi> Haemogoblin3,  whats the name of the program youre using to chat with us?
[05:05] <andresj> konversation, probably im guessing
[05:05] <Mimi> Yea
[05:05] <Haemogoblin3> soo if you dont see me tomorrow..give me a shout....i might be lost in cyber space
[05:06] <Haemogoblin3> kopete
[05:06] <andresj> ohh
[05:06] <Mimi> oooh kopete .. *adds email*
[05:06] <Kr|ptiX> andresj: yeah i am
[05:06] <Haemogoblin3> its gng slower then a 486
[05:07] <andresj> Kr|ptiX: is it in ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok/themes/ ?
[05:07] <Haemogoblin3> i best shut down
[05:07] <Kr|ptiX> andresj: yelp
[05:07] <Haemogoblin3> byeeeee
[05:07] <Mimi> bye ^_^
[05:08] <andresj> Kr|ptiX: wierd
[05:08] <andresj> what files are in its folder?
[05:08] <Kr|ptiX> andresj: yeah i kno
[05:08] <Kr|ptiX> a style sheet an a image fodler
[05:08] <Kr|ptiX> folder*
[05:09] <[B5C]wallabee> i really hate it kde freezes with vesa gr
[05:09] <andresj> Kr|ptiX: no idea :(
[05:10]  * Mimi promptly searches for Apple styles
[05:10] <andresj> Apply styles?
[05:10] <andresj> Apple*?
[05:10] <Mimi> aqua, leopard, etc etc
[05:10] <andresj> ah.. ohhh!
[05:10] <andresj> got it
[05:11] <Mimi> I heard kde styles are very difficult to install compared to gnome's  (drag file to Appearance box)
[05:11] <andresj> mmmm... make; sudo make install
[05:11] <andresj> although some come with ubuntu debs already
[05:11] <Mimi> eek :O :O  *hair raises in terror*
[05:11] <andresj> lol
[05:12] <andresj> I wonder how that works
[05:12] <andresj> the gnome drag file thing
[05:12] <andresj> are gnome styles just images or sth?
[05:13] <Mimi> Well you can open Appearance properties, you can drag the tar file to it, or click the Install button (where you locate the tar file) and it takes a sec, then it asks if you want to keep your current setup or if you want to apply the new theme.
[05:13] <Mimi> I hate when windows people use kde at first... its so complicated.
[05:13] <andresj> well yeah it is complicated in many aspects
[05:13] <Mimi> Like, how can you except a new user to do the whole make, make install  deal?!
[05:14] <andresj> the hardest part of that is installing the -dev packages manually
[05:14] <Mimi> oh yeah
[05:14] <Mimi> That's a lot to  ask from a newbie
[05:15] <andresj> true, true
[05:16] <Mimi> Like, right now, I downloaded the kde Daurora style... no instructions.. so I think "ok it must be easy then"..... so I open the tar, and it has 2 pictures and 2  kcsrc files..... so I think "... mmmk..." .... then ....
[05:16] <[B5C]wallabee> my battery status stays at 11% is there anything i can do?
[05:16] <Mimi> then i go to Configure > Apearance > Style  ....  THere's nothing there regarding installing a new style
[05:17] <Mimi> And I'm not even new to kde, ive used it on and off since ....1997?
[05:17] <andresj> yeah I really think stuff like that should be automated
[05:18] <Mimi> seriously... im looking aorund in the control center and I still dont see the option to install a style lol
[05:18] <andresj> i just asked in ##gnome how do their system work
[05:18] <andresj> to see if it is viable to use it in kde, too
[05:19] <Mimi> definately not
[05:19] <andresj> definetly not what?
[05:19] <Mimi> it applies styles to gnome apps only.
[05:19] <andresj> I know.
[05:19] <andresj> I mean a similar system
[05:19] <Mimi> oh ok
[05:19] <andresj> :P
[05:20] <joseph> !wm-manager
[05:20] <joseph> !virtualbox
[05:23] <andresj> Mimi: ok so GNOME styles are a group of images and conf files. KDE styles are libraries.
[05:24] <Mimi> *shrug* I don't care what it is, I just want it to work without me having to spend a whole afternoon making it work *wink* ^^
[05:24] <andresj> lol
[05:24] <andresj> well yeah I mean it should compile it automatically, or the people should provide compiled packages already
[05:25] <Mimi> well see this Daurora, it doesnt even look complicated, its just 2 files ;p
[05:26] <andresj> I think it will be easier now that cmake is being used
[05:27] <Mimi> lol... i dbl click the file and its just a text file... what in the name of god do i do with it? i bet god himself doenst even know ^^
[05:27] <leo_rockw> greetings #kubuntu
[05:27] <Mimi> aloha
[05:27] <andresj> #kubuntu says hi :P
[05:27] <leo_rockw> :-)
[05:28] <leo_rockw> aloh speme
[05:28] <leo_rockw> aloha*
[05:29] <Mimi> Does anyone know how to install a theme... lol seriously.... so I got .. ummm i managed to get to Theme manager... but when I pick Install it doesnt  list the thing i downloaded  xD
[05:29] <leo_rockw> i'm bored... nobody with broken grubs or amarok-don't-play-mp3s?
[05:29] <[B5C]wallabee> :)
[05:29] <[B5C]wallabee> my batterystatus is wrong
[05:30] <leo_rockw> [B5C]wallabee: what does it say?
[05:30] <leo_rockw> setuid_w00t: hello
[05:30] <andresj> Mimi: what files are in the tar?
[05:30] <[B5C]wallabee> it says 2 batterys and 11%
[05:31] <[B5C]wallabee> i have 1 battery and 100%
[05:31] <Mimi> andresj,  2 screenshots      1 daurora-look.kcsrc        1 domino_daurora-lookrc
[05:31] <[B5C]wallabee> acer travelmate 4000 with kde3
[05:31] <andresj> oohhh... THAT kind of style... lol
[05:31] <Mimi> .. that kinda style? lol
[05:31] <leo_rockw> [B5C]wallabee: where do you get the readings from?
[05:32] <andresj> it would be called a theme I think
[05:32] <[B5C]wallabee> ?battery 2. what do u mean?
[05:32] <Mimi> mmm i could swear I clicked /styles/ in kde-look ;p
[05:32] <leo_rockw> [B5C]wallabee: what app
[05:32] <[B5C]wallabee> the small battery icon in the panel
[05:32] <dennister> hey channel, any recommendations for an accounting/inventory program to install on my kubuntu database server?
[05:33] <andresj> Mimi, what is the page in kde-look?
[05:33] <Mimi> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Daurora?content=65297
[05:33] <leo_rockw> [B5C]wallabee: the green one w/ the yellow thingy?
[05:33] <[B5C]wallabee> jep
[05:33] <leo_rockw> [B5C]wallabee: there's another monitor, that's why i'm asking
[05:33] <andresj> Mimi, that's a Domino style
[05:33] <andresj> so you have to install Domino first
[05:34] <dennister> no way will i ever trust sql-ledger again, tinyerp and egroupware seem way too huge for just me, i'm looking at postbooks now...any other ideas/recommendations?
[05:34] <Mimi> O_O
[05:34] <leo_rockw> [B5C]wallabee: i believe it's called klaptopdaemon... idk if it will give you the same readings, tho. idk how that other app gets its readings.
[05:34] <setuid_w00t> Are there any serious issues that I should be aware of before I try to upgrade from Gutsy to Hardy?
[05:35] <andresj> Mimi: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=42804
[05:35] <leo_rockw> setuid_w00t: do you have a broadcom wireless card?
[05:35] <setuid_w00t> leo_rockw: Nope, this is a desktop
[05:35] <andresj> just untar this one, ./configure; make; sudo make install
[05:36] <[B5C]wallabee> kloptopdaemon shows the real status ;)
[05:36] <leo_rockw> [B5C]wallabee: yay!
[05:36] <Mimi> theres a wiki page with a list of issues... cant find it..
[05:36] <andresj> and then select it as your style in system settings, go into configure and put "import"
[05:36] <leo_rockw> setuid_w00t: that was about the only "problem" i had w/ hardy
[05:36] <leo_rockw> setuid_w00t: and it was easy to solve, just get the proper drivers
[05:38] <setuid_w00t> cool, thanks
[05:38] <leo_rockw> setuid_w00t: and the media key didn't bind to amarok... easy to solve, just do it manually
[05:39] <leo_rockw> setuid_w00t: there's nothing else i recall having problems with. but different things might happen w/ different hardware
[05:41] <Mimi> Aaaaah Gnome... :) *sits back and enjoys the show*
[05:41] <andresj> lol
[05:41] <leo_rockw> Mimi: gnome > /dev/null
[05:41] <Mimi> pffftt   kde>/dev/null
[05:42] <Mimi> I just can't make myself use kde... i've tried. I've tried lots.
[05:42]  * leo_rockw shakes his arm: you shall pay for this Mimi, you hear me? you shall pay!
[05:42] <leo_rockw> lol
[05:42] <Mimi> ;p
[05:42] <leo_rockw> to each his own, i don't like gnome.
[05:43] <andresj> Mimi: I can say the same thing about gnome
[05:43] <Mimi> If I wanted to spend a whole week trying to make my desktop look half decent, I would go back to Windoz  ^^;;
[05:43] <andresj> its not that it is not good, but I just cant get used to it
[05:43] <leo_rockw> Mimi: you can change absolutely everything in kde
[05:43] <raket> hey people, why there are extensions for firefox in the add/remove programs?
[05:43] <andresj> raket: why not?
[05:43] <Mimi> leo_rockw,  yeah i know but theres soooooo many options with no details of what thye do that its just too overwhelming
[05:44] <raket> are they somehow modified to work under linux?
[05:44] <leo_rockw> Mimi: exactly :-)
[05:44] <leo_rockw> Mimi: i likey...
[05:44] <leo_rockw> Mimi: just stay with the DE that you feel comfortable with
[05:44] <raket> andresj?
[05:44] <Mimi> leo_rockw,  it shoudlnt take me a week to make my desktop look good... it took me a few minutes in gnome....
[05:45] <andresj> raket: a couple of them are specific to ubuntu
[05:45] <leo_rockw> Mimi: i really don't care about looks
[05:45] <andresj> the rest are just there for convenience
[05:45] <raket> I was only wondering where should I install them from
[05:45] <leo_rockw> Mimi: my wallpapers were randomly chosen from kde-look
[05:46] <Mimi> I see your point, but for me, leo_rockw  ,  the gnome looks i have make me work better.  much much better... i dont know
[05:46] <andresj> Intrepid is the name for the next release :D
[05:46] <Mimi> leo_rockw,  I only have 1 wallpaper at a time, something soft, not distracting *cough* its actually the mac/aqua wallpaper but in a soft gray-blue
[05:47] <leo_rockw> Mimi: yeah, you would have 1 wallpaper in gnome. i have 10 lol
[05:47] <raket> alright. So I installed 7zip in Kubuntu (ofcourse) but I don't see the program's shortcut anywhere. what's the deal, does anyone know?
[05:47] <Mimi> leo_rockw,  theres a lil app in the repos that makes it so you can do that too, i just choose not to. having a internet connection is distraction enough
[05:48] <leo_rockw> raket: 7zip is for console
[05:48] <Mimi> MOAR isnt always better
[05:48] <raket> leo_rockw: what? there's no GUI?!
[05:48] <andresj> raket: you can use ark
[05:48] <leo_rockw> raket: you might be able to make ark and 7zip play along... i never did it but it's probably possible
[05:48] <raket> andresj: I know, I just prefer 7zip
[05:48] <andresj> Ark uses the 7zip console program
[05:48] <andresj> *I think
[05:49] <andresj> the 7zip gui program for linux just doesnt exist
[05:49] <raket> hmm
[05:49]  * Mimi is tired... goes see some lolcats
[05:50] <leo_rockw> wikipedia uses 7zip... just letting you know :-P
[05:50]  * andresj impatiently waits for Kubuntu Hardy KDE 4 Remix to download and being able to install KDE 4.0.4 and the "Toogle Composite" plasmoid
[05:50] <leo_rockw> 404 is out?
[05:50] <leo_rockw> not found...
[05:50] <andresj> yes
[05:51] <leo_rockw> (pfft, bad joke)
[05:51] <andresj> didn't get it lol :D
[05:51] <leo_rockw> 404 not found
[05:51] <leo_rockw> you never got that from your browser?
[05:51] <andresj> yes I have
[05:51] <andresj> I thought you were asking for help lol
[05:51] <leo_rockw> haha, nah.
[05:52] <leo_rockw> when's 4.1 coming out? july?
[05:52] <andresj> yes
[05:52] <leo_rockw> sweet... i might install it again then
[05:52] <andresj> the alpha is already out, though but there is no package
[05:52] <leo_rockw> andresj: did you try the neon packages of amarok?
[05:52] <Dad_> My CD drive isn't working. In KDE control panel it is set as Type: devfs  Mount Point: /media/cdrom0 Device (by name): /dev/scd0  Options: utf8.  Is that right?
[05:52] <andresj> leo_rockw: that's what I was about to talk about lol
[05:53] <andresj> I have, in gutsy
[05:53] <andresj> but they don't work
[05:53] <raket> is there a way to change the three left-right, and up-down arrows, in each window, to only two?
[05:53] <andresj> it says that it can't find the deb files
[05:53] <leo_rockw> i installed the alpha. it was ok, but way too buggy
[05:53] <andresj> leo_rockw: the alpha of amarok or kde?
[05:53] <leo_rockw> andresj: amarok
[05:53] <andresj> raket: yes. go to system settings, window decoration
[05:54] <leo_rockw> raket: you're talking about the buttons on top?
[05:54] <andresj> system settings->appearence->windows->buttons
[05:54] <leo_rockw> raket: what andresj said, haha
[05:54] <fildo> andresj: that polish
[05:54] <fildo>  ?
[05:54] <Mimi> Heya, what can I use to record audio that is playing on my computer? (not streams, just all sounds that are being played)
[05:54] <fildo> or russian ?
[05:54] <leo_rockw> Dad_: what happens when you put a cd in?
[05:54] <andresj> fildo: no, that's short for Andres J.
[05:54] <fildo> ok
[05:55] <andresj> lol
[05:55] <fildo> cause my brothers name is andrezej
[05:55] <fildo> but thats polska spelling
[05:55] <andresj> really? where are yo ufrom?
[05:55] <fildo> im aussie as vegimite
[05:55] <fildo> but i have polish origin
[05:55] <andresj> aussie?
[05:55] <fildo> australian
[05:55] <andresj> ohhh
[05:55] <andresj> that's cool
[05:55] <fildo> yeah i guess
[05:56] <andresj> :D I want to go there
[05:56] <fildo> :) we p.o.w.s .. @ end of day
[05:56] <fildo> ive been there, its fukn awesome
[05:56] <andresj> lol
[05:56] <Dad_> leo_rockw, nothing. And Dolphin does see it.
[05:56] <fildo> sorry for language
[05:56] <fildo> im kinda blind from the pub
[05:57] <andresj> lol no problem by me
[05:57] <raket> andresj: that wasn't it. I am talking about the buttons that appear between the sliders
[05:57] <andresj> raket: what sliders?
[05:57] <Dad_> leo-rockw, Typo. That should be Dolphin does NOT see it.
[05:57] <raket> the ones you use to go up and down on a certain page
[05:57] <raket> or left right
[05:57] <andresj> ooohhh!
[05:58] <raket> so between them, there's three buttons instead of two
[05:58] <tuanpham> have lunch now :D
[05:58] <andresj> that should be in systemsettings->appearence->style->configure...
[05:58] <andresj> but only some styles have the option to change it
[05:58] <raket> and sometimes the lower one doesn't work
[05:58] <tuanpham> bye all
[05:58] <raket> andresj: lemme see
[05:58] <raket> thanks
[05:59]  * andresj notices that his download goes 1% per minute
[06:00] <leo_rockw> Dad_: put a cd on the drive and see if dmesg tail says anything
[06:01] <raket> andresj: hell yeah! that was it! I guess now I'll have to restart the programs
[06:01] <andresj> it shouldn't be necessary
[06:01] <raket> or kde?
[06:01] <andresj> put apply
[06:01] <andresj> i mean, click apply :D
[06:01] <raket> I saw the change happen in the preview, but not anywhere else
[06:02] <raket> ahaha
[06:02] <raket> lemme restart kde, and I'll brb..
[06:03] <leo_rockw> he didn't have to restart kde... lol
[06:03] <andresj> yeah he didnt
[06:03] <andresj> 83% at 10:03
[06:03] <andresj> and 80% at 10:00
[06:03] <leo_rockw> andresj: did you try kde4 before?
[06:03] <andresj> I am using it right now
[06:03] <leo_rockw> ooo
[06:03] <andresj> I have since christmas :D
[06:04] <andresj> well actually since new year
[06:04] <leo_rockw> i couldn't let go of my 3.5.9
[06:04] <andresj> why?
[06:04] <leo_rockw> i couldn't do all the modifications i wanted. all those lil things i was telling Mimi about...
[06:05] <andresj> oh yeah yeah
[06:05] <leo_rockw> i couldn't change the "kicker" size, or hide it, or put it on top...
[06:05] <Dad_> leo_rockw, What is dmesg tail?
[06:05] <andresj> many things were disabled by 4.0.0
[06:05] <leo_rockw> i see a lot of potential, but i'll stay with 3.5.9 for now
[06:05] <andresj> leo_rockw: although that specific thing was fixed on 4.0.3
[06:05] <raket> andresj: I reloaded the programs, and that was it
[06:05] <leo_rockw> andresj: yeah, i had kde 4 until the .0.3, then did a fresh install of hardy and didn't install it again
[06:06] <leo_rockw> Dad_: in konsole (or yakuake ;-) ) input that command
[06:06] <raket> leo_rockw: what did you think of it?
[06:06] <Mimi> heya any of you  know how to record sound you hear on your computer.... yes I know there's audacity/ardour blah blah blah, im not asking about app names, but how to do it :/
[06:07] <hi5> Is anyone here familiar with incremental updating for apt etc?
[06:07] <leo_rockw> raket: i think it will be the best DE out there (and i'm including vi$ta's and os x's) but it is still buggy
[06:07] <andresj> yeah it will
[06:07] <andresj> lol
[06:07] <andresj> i cant wait for amarok and koffice 2
[06:07] <andresj> they will be the killer apps
[06:07] <leo_rockw> andresj: there are like 40 SoC projects for KDE
[06:08] <raket> SoC ?
[06:08] <hi5> summer of code
[06:08] <leo_rockw> andresj: i tried koffice 2 as well
[06:08] <raket> ah
[06:08] <hi5> or silicon on insulator
[06:08] <andresj> Summer Of C-- what he said
[06:08] <raket> :)
[06:08] <andresj> leo_rockw: what did you tihnk of it?
[06:09] <raket> ﻿(01:07:20 AM) leo_rockw: raket: i think it will be the best DE out there (and i'm including vi$ta's and os x's) but it is still buggy
[06:09] <raket> :)
[06:09] <leo_rockw> andresj: looks really good. way different than OO.o
[06:09] <andresj> yeah i don't like OO.o cuz it doesn't use styles
[06:09] <raket> is it any better?
[06:09] <leo_rockw> i installed OO.o 3beta yesterday too
[06:10] <andresj> nor gtk nor kde's
[06:10] <andresj> leo_rockw: how is it? i haven't seen that one
[06:10] <leo_rockw> andresj: yeah, that's what i don't like about it
[06:10] <leo_rockw> andresj: well, i can't really compare it with 2.4, since i barely use it. it looks pretty much the same, maybe a lil faster.
[06:11] <K`zan> Hi all, got a qx5 webcam (microscope) and linux knows what it is and loads a module and seems to be well.  Tried xawtv to watch it but it keeps barfing out.  Anyone know a good app to look at a webcam?
[06:11] <andresj> :D
[06:11] <andresj> camorama?
[06:12] <K`zan> never heard of it, but will check it out - THANKS!
[06:12] <andresj> it came automatically with my isntallation :D
[06:12] <hi5> isn't that gnome?
[06:12] <mortici> why aren't my packages upgrading, it keeps stating 102 held back, why?
[06:12] <K`zan> Gnome isn't *all* bad :-)
[06:13] <hi5> well.. no, i rather like it myself for it's high usability
[06:13] <andresj> mortici: maybe upgrade them manually, using aptitude?
[06:13] <hi5> still, i could have sworn there was a kde webcam app
[06:13] <hi5> i can't find it in repos tho
[06:13] <hi5> gqcam maybe?
[06:13] <mortici> dependencie issues
[06:13] <mortici> i just upgraded from feisty to hardy
[06:14] <mortici> i just changed my sources to hardy is there anything else i might need to do?
[06:14] <leo_rockw> mortici: you can't upgrade from feisty to hardy
[06:14] <mortici> wow i fail
[06:14] <mortici> then do i have to upgrade to gutsy
[06:14] <mortici> then hardy
[06:15] <mortici> or do a fresh install?
[06:15] <leo_rockw> mortici: yeah
[06:15] <mortici> leo_rockw: yeah?
[06:15] <leo_rockw> mortici: you can only upgrade to hardy from gutsy or from the previous lts (was it dapper?)
[06:15] <leo_rockw> mortici: either upgrade to gutsy and then hardy or do a fresh install
[06:15] <mortici> ok cool ill try to upgrade to gutsy first
[06:15] <andresj> what is the last lst using?
[06:15] <andresj> what kde i mean
[06:16] <leo_rockw> andresj: idk, i started w/ feisty
[06:16] <andresj> i did too :D
[06:16] <Dad_> leo_rockw, no, dmesg tail is not giving any information. To make sure, I inserted a bluetooth receiver. Ran dmesg tail. Then inserted a CD. Then ran dmesg tail again.
[06:16] <leo_rockw> was it 3.5.7?
[06:16] <flaccid> hi im flaccid
[06:16] <flaccid>  f u
[06:16] <andresj> o. k.
[06:16] <leo_rockw> :-?
[06:16] <andresj> random
[06:16] <hi5> why, sometimes, when i hit ctrl+t for a new tab, it splits my screen into two windows? how do i close the other window pane w/o closing the whole tab?
[06:17] <hi5> *it == konquror sorry
[06:17] <andresj> hi5, in what ap--oh
[06:17] <leo_rockw> Dad_: what kind of drive is it?
[06:17] <leo_rockw> hi5: ctrl + shift + r
[06:18] <leo_rockw> hi5: you're hitting ctrl+shift+t that's why it splits
[06:18] <leo_rockw> hi5: take a look at view>split view
[06:19] <mortici> ok im trying to upgrade to gutsy but now i have 157 not being upgraded :/
[06:19] <hi5> aah
[06:19] <hi5> thanks!
[06:19] <leo_rockw> hi5: np
[06:19] <leo_rockw> mortici: was your feisty fully upgraded?
[06:19] <andresj> FINALLY!
[06:19] <andresj> hardy is downloaded! :D
[06:20] <leo_rockw> andresj: are you going to do a fresh install?
[06:20] <hi5> i think my keyboard has issues... it must be thinking i'm hitting T. good to know how to undo it since i'm not replacing my laptop kb anytime soon
[06:20] <andresj> leo_rockw: yes
[06:20] <leo_rockw> hi5: switch to colemak :-P
[06:21] <Dad_> leo_rockw, says Super multi LG SecurDisc on the front of the drive.
[06:21] <hi5> colemak?
[06:21] <raket> is the Kubuntu search tool (ksearch) any good? I've been testing it and sometimes it doesn't return results that I know are there
[06:21] <mortici> leo_rockw: should have been i can set the sources back to fiesty try to upgrade it
[06:21] <mortici> and then try gutsy again
[06:21] <leo_rockw> hi5: different keyboard layout
[06:21] <raket> is there anything better?
[06:21] <leo_rockw> raket: locate
[06:21] <hi5> lol, i just found colemak.com
[06:21] <hi5> yeah, may as well switch do dvorak
[06:22] <leo_rockw> hi5: colemak is easier when switching from qwerty
[06:23] <raket> leo_rockw: I found 2 programs. one is "Tracker search tool" and the other "Search for files"
[06:23] <leo_rockw> raket: locate is from console
[06:23] <leo_rockw> raket: then there's strigi
[06:23] <raket> I'm not a console guy, yet
[06:23] <hi5> why would switching to http://colemak.com/wiki/images/8/80/Colemak_layout_2.png alleviate a problem with the shift, ctrl, alt circuits being screwy!? lol
[06:24] <hi5> oh well, your esoteric joke has at least versed me in yet another new keyboard layout :P
[06:24] <mortici> feisty is fully upgraded
[06:24] <mortici> trying gutsy upgrade again
[06:25] <leo_rockw> raket: locate is superb
[06:25] <mortici> ok gutsy is going
[06:25] <leo_rockw> raket: locate file
[06:25] <leo_rockw> hi5: you can use capslock as control in kde
[06:26] <leo_rockw> hi5: you don't need capslock anyway
[06:27] <raket> somebody just reminded me about beagle, so I'll try that before strigi. maybe I'll use locate soon, but right now I don't wanna waste too much time on the console. I wanna move to it gradually
[06:27] <leo_rockw> raket: locate is the simplest command there is, lol. strigi is for kde
[06:28] <grupohalis> .
[06:28] <leo_rockw> raket: those are indexers, they make your comp goes slower too...
[06:28] <leo_rockw> grupohalis: . indeed
[06:29] <leo_rockw> raket: with locate you update the database when you feel like it
[06:29] <leo_rockw> raket: ooo, there's kerry for beagle
[06:30] <raket> leo_rockw: well I know that windows has an index option that is easily disable-able :) so isn't there an option like that in beagle/strigi ?
[06:30] <leo_rockw> raket: mmhhh... there might be. i haven't used them.
[06:30] <mortici> holy chit, i shoud of upgraded to gutsy a while ago 1038 files need to be upgrade :(
[06:30] <raket> that would be a service anyway, so I should be able to turn it off
[06:30] <leo_rockw> raket: true
[06:30] <raket> what's kerry though?
[06:31] <leo_rockw> raket: kde frontend to beagle
[06:31] <raket> beagle that's integrated to kde?
[06:31] <raket> i don't get what's you're saying
[06:32] <leo_rockw> raket: beagle is only the service, you need smth to make it work. kerri is the app you use in kde to make beagle work
[06:32] <raket> ahhh, cool
[06:33] <t3hwiz0rd> what is the name of KDE's power manager?
[06:33] <t3hwiz0rd> like, whats the actual command?
[06:33] <leo_rockw> t3hwiz0rd: guidance-power-manager
[06:35] <o0Chris0o> hello guys, anyone familiar with ubottu bot and its functions plz PM me or join me in #ubuntu-irc, I have some questions. Thanks
[06:36] <mortici> !ubottu
[06:47] <noaXess> good morning..
[06:47] <noaXess> is it better to remove kde-guidance-powermanagement if i use kpowersave?
[06:59] <mortici> is there a way to pass an automatic YES to apt-get install?
[07:01] <mortici> nvm
[07:01] <mortici> i RTFM'd
[07:14] <o0Chris0o> alright this is getting really annoying, each time I try to open up an text document I get an error saying "The Desktop Entry File /usr/share/apps/d3lphin/servicemenus/amarok_addaspodcast.desktop has an invalid menu entry  addAsPodcast" any ideas how to stop this I have no idea why this error is happening
[07:18] <eagles0513875> how do i get flash to work in firefox3 beta 5
[07:18] <dennister> hi everyone...have some questions regarding hardy's users and groups...
[07:18] <noaXess> are ther some variables that i can use in shel programming.. lik eg. ${internal_ip} or like this?
[07:18] <raket> hey people, how can I mount my flash drive? I am in recovery mode (in xubuntu) and the thing won't mount itself automatically
[07:18] <raket> for some reason
[07:18] <raket> sorry for asking here, but nobody is responding in #xubuntu
[07:19] <noaXess> raket: sudo mount device
[07:19] <eagles0513875> !flash
[07:19] <eagles0513875> !gnash
[07:19] <noaXess> just unplug it.. the do a tail -f /var/log/messages
[07:19] <dennister> for instance, there's a group1001 that is new to hardy, and sambashare, a new system group...what is their relationship?
[07:20] <noaXess> then plugin the flash to see what /dev it is
[07:20] <raket> noaXess: It says "﻿can't find device in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab"
[07:20] <raket> after sudo mount device
[07:20] <raket> shall I try the other one?
[07:20] <noaXess> raket: my exampla was only to show how.. normaly you need the device part like /dev/sdb
[07:21] <noaXess> first.. unplug the flash..
[07:21] <noaXess> ok?
[07:21] <raket> ok
[07:21] <raket> and plug it back?
[07:21] <noaXess> then do: tail -f /var/log/messages
[07:21] <raket> oh
[07:21] <noaXess> ok?
[07:22] <raket> lemme see here
[07:22] <dennister> anyone know the relationship of group1001 to the system group sambashare? (only in hardy)
[07:22] <noaXess> raket:  if the aboce tail command runs.. plugin the flash
[07:22] <noaXess> above..
[07:22] <noaXess> then you will see, what devices it will have.. eg. /dev/sdb.. or something like tis
[07:23] <raket> noaXess: I did that, but it only show some activity that the pc was doing on some dates
[07:23] <raket> *shows
[07:23] <noaXess> no plugin the flash
[07:23] <raket> ok
[07:23] <noaXess> raket: now you should see what device it becomes
[07:23] <noaXess> .. /dev/xxx
[07:24] <raket> I don't see any changes
[07:24] <noaXess> hm..
[07:24] <noaXess> stop the tail command
[07:24] <raket> is the file system important?
[07:24] <raket> I think it's fat or fat32
[07:25] <raket> and how do I stop ctrl+c ?
[07:25] <noaXess> no.. run dmesg and check the latest entries
[07:25] <eagles0513875> the fs would be important cuz now in vista u can format flash devices as ntfs
[07:25] <noaXess> yes
[07:25] <raket> I see
[07:25] <raket> ok
[07:25] <raket> now what!?
[07:25] <noaXess> pastbin the last dmesg lines.. www.pastebin.com
[07:26] <noaXess> or the last /var/log/messages lines
[07:26] <raket> oh jeez, I can't I am not using that machine, since it's messed up
[07:26] <raket> but the last activity that it shows is dated Mar 29
[07:26] <noaXess> ??
[07:27] <raket> what?
[07:27] <noaXess> .. now.. your problem.. why you are in recovery mode and try to access to a flash drive?
[07:27] <raket> Xubuntu freezes on the loading screen
[07:27] <raket> I think the motherboard is screwed up
[07:27] <raket> I only speculate though
[07:27] <raket> :)
[07:28] <eagles0513875> something is uberly wrong
[07:28] <eagles0513875> raket: u might have a bad install
[07:28] <eagles0513875> raket: i would try a clean install from scratch
[07:29] <raket> nah, I tried other distros, they all froze
[07:29] <eagles0513875> see if u encounter the same problem and also
[07:29] <eagles0513875> raket: how olds the hard drive
[07:29] <noaXess> raket: what about running a live-cd?
[07:29] <raket> I just wanna back up some stuff
[07:29] <noaXess> then run a live-cd and backit up there
[07:29] <raket> the CD-ROM isn't recognized, even though BIOS finds it
[07:29] <raket> it's weird
[07:30] <leo_away> raket: do you get internets on the xubuntu recovery mode?
[07:30] <raket> no
[07:30] <raket> :(
[07:30] <leo_away> raket: did you try getting internets manually?
[07:30] <noaXess> boot from a live-cd and backup there
[07:30] <o0Chris0o> alright this is getting really annoying, each time I try to open up an text document I get an error saying "The Desktop Entry File /usr/share/apps/d3lphin/servicemenus/amarok_addaspodcast.desktop has an invalid menu entry  addAsPodcast" any ideas how to stop this I have no idea why this error is happening
[07:30] <raket> let me try that, noaXess
[07:30] <noaXess> raket: in the live-cd you should see your local drive
[07:31] <raket> you mean, after I restart?
[07:31] <leo_away> o0Chris0o: edit the file?
[07:31] <raket> since, the thing won't boot
[07:31] <noaXess> raket: .. hm.. bad cd/dvd drive..
[07:31] <raket> and it's not a problematic CD, since I just finished using it on this laptop
[07:32] <raket> I am not so sure about that, I still think it's the motherboard
[07:32] <noaXess> raket: but the drive.. replace it.. or..
[07:32] <noaXess> the..
[07:32] <noaXess> n
[07:32] <leo_away> raket: try dhclient on the terminal. that might give you internets. then you can pastebin your dmesg and we can make your flash drive work
[07:32] <raket> lemme try
[07:33] <raket> i think I got it
[07:33] <raket> yes! I got internet!
[07:33] <raket> leo_away I love you!
[07:33] <leo_away> ok, do dmesg tail > file
[07:33] <leo_away> and then sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[07:33] <leo_away> and... you know the rest
[07:34] <raket> file? like file.txt ?
[07:34] <raket> I haven't used that before, sorry
[07:34] <leo_away> raket: extensions are useless in gnu/linux, but that works
[07:34] <leo_away> raket: the > means that it sends the output to a file
[07:34] <raket> ah
[07:35] <raket> but is it a normal txt file?
[07:35] <leo_away> raket: yup
[07:35] <raket> ok
[07:35] <leo_away> raket: then install pastebinit so you can pastebin the file (since you can't copy paste)
[07:36] <raket> I can't ? why not? I can just go on the website
[07:36] <leo_away> raket: aren't you in terminal?
[07:36] <raket> oh, i started x
[07:36] <leo_away> raket: ooo, ok
[07:36] <leo_away> raket: yeah, then go to the website
[07:37] <raket> should I pick a syntax ?
[07:37] <leo_away> raket: nah
[07:37] <raket> ok
[07:38] <raket> pastebin.com/d7f92104
[07:39] <leo_away> raket: do this in console
[07:39] <leo_away> raket: cd /media && mkdir flash && sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/flash -o loop
[07:42] <raket> YES! that worked, AWESOME!
[07:42] <leo_away> raket: :-)
[07:42] <raket> whooooooooo!
[07:43] <leo_away> me! :-P
[07:43] <leo_away> raket: did you understand what i did? do you want me to explain it?
[07:44] <raket> haha, you! let me see
[07:44] <level1> Hi, I created a new user and now whenever I run a command as root it doesnt do anything
[07:45] <raket> ok, so how did you know what to mount leo_away?
[07:45] <raket> you saw that in the pastebin text?
[07:45] <leo_away> raket: [ 1532.937655]  sdb: sdb1
[07:46] <leo_away> raket: the pastebin text shows that when you plugged in the drive. the command i gave you created a mount point, and then mounted /dev/sdb1 in the mount point created ( /media/flash)
[07:46] <raket> what is that anyway, sdb?
[07:46] <raket> yes yes
[07:46] <leo_away> raket: sdb is the second drive. sda is the first one.
[07:47] <leo_away> raket: sdb1 is the second drive, first partition
[07:47] <raket> oh!
[07:47] <raket> I see
[07:47] <raket> and what is that -o loop?
[07:47] <leo_away> raket: it could also have been hda, or hdb
[07:48] <raket> oh, so that's how they're organized
[07:48] <raket> very nice
[07:48] <leo_away> raket: i actually don't really know what the -o loop does. when i tried mounting my external drive it told me that it couldn't mount and suggested those flags
[07:49] <raket> yes, I guess it's one of *those* things
[07:49] <raket> :)
[07:50] <leo_away> raket: ooo, i found and explanation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loop_device
[07:50] <jarnos> Hello. I can not uninstal kio-umountwrapper. How do you uninstall it?
[07:51] <raket> so in linux every device behaves kinda like a iso file, or am I mistaken?
[07:52] <leo_away> raket: maybe every non native filesystem does
[07:52] <leo_away> raket: well, now that you can back up your stuff, i return to the shadows...
[07:53] <raket> thanks thanks...
[07:53] <leo_away> np
[08:12] <Copter> Hello. I have ubuntu 7.10 running. If I want to install kubuntu 8 should I do a fresh installation (like winxp) or its just ok to upgrade it from within ubuntu 7.10?
[08:14] <leo_away> Copter: you can just upgrade
[08:32] <eagles05> !aptfix
[08:37] <ubuntu_> hi
[08:39] <E_mE> does anyknow know why the borders and window title of my KDE windows have all disappeared
[08:39] <E_mE> i log into my account and i just get content with no borders
[08:39] <E_mE> im using 8.04
[08:39] <E_mE> with KDE 3
[08:42] <eagles0513875> !ghost
[08:45] <Xbehave> E_mE: kwin may have crashed
[08:46] <Xbehave> try alt+f2 kwin --replace
[08:46] <E_mE> thank you.. i shall try it
[08:52] <jarnos> I could remove kio-umountwrapper only after "sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/kio-umountwrapper.postrm". Why is that?
[08:54] <E_mE> okay.. i attempted to write alt+f2 and kwin --replace
[08:54] <E_mE> but the windows won't gain focus
[08:54] <E_mE> and so i cant type into the edit fields :/
[08:54] <squee> Someone save me from insanity: How do I stop kde4 from making a noise every time i change workspaces?
[08:59] <Xbehave> E_mE, im not sure ive not got 8.04, try login in out perhaps it should just be kwin instead of kwin replace, perhaps move your /.kde/kwinrc to /.kde/kiwnrc~ and loose all your WM settings
[09:00] <o0Chris0o> alright this is getting really annoying, each time I try to open up an text document I get an error saying "The Desktop Entry File /usr/share/apps/d3lphin/servicemenus/amarok_addaspodcast.desktop has an invalid menu entry  addAsPodcast" any ideas how to stop this I have no idea why this error is happening
[09:00] <Xbehave> squee: last time i played with kde4 i think it was under the composting effects to trigger sounds
[09:00] <eagles0513875> !version | Xbehave
[09:01] <squee> Xbehave: Thanks, I'll try looking there
[09:02] <Xbehave> try getting rid of the file? sudo mv /usr/share/apps/d3lphin/servicemenus/amarok_addaspodcast.desktop /home/<your name>
[09:06] <thomi> does anyone know where I can get kubuntu packages for the Qt4.4 release?
[09:09] <o0Chris0o> alright this is getting really annoying, each time I try to open up an text document I get an error saying "The Desktop Entry File /usr/share/apps/d3lphin/servicemenus/amarok_addaspodcast.desktop has an invalid menu entry  addAsPodcast" any ideas how to stop this I have no idea why this error is happening
[09:17] <Xbehave> o0Chris0o:  try getting rid of the file? sudo mv /usr/share/apps/d3lphin/servicemenus/amarok_addaspodcast.desktop /home/<your name>
[09:19] <binde> slt
[09:20] <o0Chris0o> Xbehave: thanks, I'll try that, its just been annoying, not sure whay its been doing it
[09:21] <Xbehave> dolphin isnt really ment for kde3 IMO so probably something thats come from copying Konq stuff for it, if you have the time file a bug report see if theyll fix it
[09:22] <o0Chris0o> thanks Xbehave it worked much abliged!
[09:22] <o0Chris0o> :)
[09:22] <o0Chris0o> yeah not a problem
[09:22] <o0Chris0o> I don't care for dolphin
[09:23] <o0Chris0o> should stick qith Konq as main file browser
[09:24] <kos_tom> hi
[09:24] <kos_tom> I just installed Kubuntu, but I have troubles configuring the sound. I play to play on device hw:0,1 as recognized by ALSA.
[09:24] <ct529> hi there
[09:25] <ct529> anyone using rosegarden on kubuntu 804?
[09:25] <kos_tom> if I configure this in the KDE control center, all KDE notification sounds work properly. But not Kaffeine or Amarok.
[09:25] <kos_tom> it seems that Kaffeine and Amarok are using the Xine engine, trying to use ALSA directly instead of Arts.
[09:25] <kos_tom> why is the default configuration so broken ?
[09:25] <gh> i've tried to use rosegarden, even compiled it myself, a host of errors prevent me however, ct529
[09:25] <gh> same box different distro works fine
[09:26] <ct529> gh: :(
[09:26] <gh> not sure why and haven't given it much time
[09:26] <ct529> gh: the only problem I have is the jack server
[09:26] <gh> yeah
[09:26] <kos_tom> (and same goes for amarok)
[09:26] <gh> same host of problems for me, reinstall jack a million times and rosegarden can never seem to link
[09:27] <gh> however, have you tried ubuntustudio?
[09:27] <ct529> gh: nope, I need kubuntu for work
[09:27] <gh> seems to run on that
[09:27] <gh> ah
[09:28] <gh> also had problems with the proc sync rate. had to keep it above 1000 or rose just sorted froze
[09:29] <leo_away> d3lphin is meant for kde3
[09:29] <leo_away> oops
[09:29] <leo_away> i was answering something said a long time ago, lol
[09:30] <sebbar> hi, will there be a kde3 version of the next kubuntu or was hardy the last one?
[09:30] <gh> ct529: you mind find this useful however, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=606175
[09:30] <leo_away> sebbar: that's a good question... now you make me wonder too
[09:30] <gh> google "rosegarden jack server errors" for a host of fixes.
[09:31] <gh> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=711391 "getting jack server to run in rosegarden"
[09:32] <gh> the latest is from a studio user so it looks to be non *buntu specific?
[09:32] <ct529> thanks gh
[09:32] <ct529> it seems very complicated will have to postpone it ....
[09:32] <ct529> thanks nonetheless!
[09:32] <gh> ct529: oh here is a simple fix! https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation
[09:33] <sebbar> leo_away: let me ask in kubuntu-devel...
[09:33] <gh> talks about the packages you need to get things running smoothly
[09:33] <ct529> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation that is very useful :) thanks ....
[09:34] <gh> at the bottom of that page it shows how to get everything running with some more jack specific links, np
[09:48] <drepan> !repos
[09:49] <nixninja> Just installed the kde4 remix and I'm seeing alot of problems I didn't have in older version sound is very soft, laptop buttons dont work, and bluetooth doesn't work or so kbluetooth says
[09:49] <nixninja> any one have any ideas
[09:49] <drepan> I have no libdc6-dev packages, how can I go about finding them, running hardy
[09:53] <nixninja> does anyone else see alot of kde3 apps crashing in kde4?
[09:53] <llutz> drepan: you mean "libc6-dev"?
[09:53] <drepan> llutz: yes, been it is not avail
[09:54] <drepan> but libc6-dev is not avail
[09:54] <drepan> sorry new from Slack and giving Kubuntu a try
[09:54] <ct529> anyone using eclipse on kubuntu, the very last version (3.3.2), installed manually?
[09:55] <llutz> hehe, i'm just giving slack a try.
[09:55] <drepan> llutz: welcome to my world
[09:56] <drepan> llutz: do i need to change the sources.list
[09:56] <llutz> drepan: i'm on gutsy here, libc6-dev is in main-repo. no idea about hardy
[09:57] <drepan> anyone knwo how I can ghet hold of libc6-dev on Hardy?
[09:58] <ct529> drepan: it is in the repository .... just sudo apt-get install libc6-dev
[09:59] <Helios> Hello friends...
[09:59] <Helios> :D
[09:59] <drepan> tells me package no avail, what repos shoudl I use
[10:00] <ct529> drepan: it is in the main rep
[10:01] <ere4si> drepan: try  apt-cache search libc6
[10:01] <Helios> better use aptitude
[10:01] <Helios> :)
[10:01] <drepan> no libc6-dev
[10:01] <ct529> drepan: that is weird
[10:02] <ct529> drepan: what repositories a=have you enbaled?
[10:02] <Helios> Enable all the Repositories in ur package manager...
[10:03] <Helios> and then u try
[10:03] <ct529> drepan: sudo apt-get update | sudo apt-get install libc6-dev
[10:06] <ct529> drepan: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/libc6-dev here it is
[10:06] <nixninja> anyone have a list of any additional repos for the kde4 remix that would be good to add?
[10:08] <Helios> lol... i have installed KDE4... but now i plan to reinstall the KDE3.5.9 version.. :S
[10:09] <wirechief> kde4 is experimental at best
[10:11] <nixninja> yeah but I love the look and feel of it
[10:11] <ct529> wirechief: but the menu is 20 times better than the old .... on mandriva they have adopted it for the 3.5.9 as well .... very successfull ....
[10:11] <nixninja> I think suse was first
[10:11] <xsacha> which menu?
[10:11] <xsacha> http://raptor-menu.org ?
[10:11] <xsacha> you guys talkin about kickoff right?
[10:12] <wirechief> there are some nice things about it but im gonna wait for it to get a little more polish ;)
[10:12] <wirechief> like ff3 man that   is a work in progress too
[10:13] <xsacha> ff3 is pretty much finished
[10:13] <wirechief> well got all my updates finished now back to sleep lol
[10:13] <ct529> xsacha: I think so .... it works really well on the company laptop where we use mandriva
[10:13] <xsacha> its almost finished in its release schedule too
[10:14] <xsacha> they finished all the beta a while ago
[10:14] <ct529> xsacha:  wirechief: unfortunately on kubuntu we are a bit "back" .... :(
[10:14] <xsacha> back?
[10:14] <ct529> xsacha: wirechief: we have been using it on mandriva for around 6 months very stable
[10:15] <wirechief> xsacha: well there are still lots of updates going on so it really wont be that long
[10:15] <nixninja> any ideas why my bluetooth adapter would work in 7.10 but not in the new version
[10:16] <wirechief> doesnt use bluetooth but there was something on it last night will have to check notes
[10:17] <naught102> anyone know of any simple reminder software? I want something to beep at me after every two hours of non-idle-time
[10:17] <wirechief> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures
[10:17] <xsacha> you know what i need? something to remind me of when battery is low
[10:18] <xsacha> my battery keeps dying and i dunno why.. 0% battery
[10:18] <xsacha> laptop
[10:22] <wirechief-intel> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[10:22] <cstring> hi, I have upgraded kubuntu 8.04 kde 4.0.3 release with kde 4.0.4, but when I click about kde it says kde 4.0.3? Do anyone else have the same problem?
[10:23] <wirechief-intel> those are some good information links for checking hardware
[10:25] <eagles0513875> jhutchins_wk: figured out why repos so slow
[10:26] <ct529> xsacha: wirechief: is the rapro
[10:26] <ct529> xsacha: wirechief: sorry, is the raptor thing available for kde 3.5.9 in kubunt 804?
[10:26] <wirechief> ?
[10:26] <xsacha> ct529: it works on kde3, kde4, gnome, windows, macosx and linux
[10:26] <xsacha> ct529: but it isnt finished yet
[10:27] <ct529> xsacha: the website says it works only if you have kde4 installed
[10:27] <xsacha> well it's outdated
[10:27] <xsacha> kde4 was removed as dependancy
[10:28] <ct529> xsacha: http://raptor-menu.org/download
[10:28] <xsacha> ct529: yeah thats outdated list of dependancies
[10:28] <wirechief> back to sleep for now
[10:28] <xsacha> ct529: dependancies are: Qt4.4
[10:29] <ct529> xsacha: where do I get the very last version, maybe compiled for ubuntu?
[10:29] <xsacha> you dont want it right now... :P
[10:29] <xsacha> just recently got broke up in to small plugins and theres no interface
[10:30] <ct529> xsacha: grrrr .... any old version? I got so used to it on the company laptop than we I move to the university laptop that does not have it is very difficult
[10:30] <xsacha> i dunno where you get older version
[10:31] <xsacha> ct529: anyway, working on the plugins stuff right now. any help would be appreciated
[10:31] <xsacha> i just added 'background' plugin today which display the background of the interface
[10:32]  * ct529 wonders if xsacha is one of the devlopers
[10:32] <xsacha> yeah i started developing on it yesterday
[10:33] <ct529> xsacha: :)
[10:37] <djdarkman> is it me or the qt4 designer starts up with a nice segfault?
[10:37] <ct529> what is the tastymenu?
[10:37] <jussi01> !info tastymenu
[10:38] <ct529> jussi01: oh thanks .... I could read that myself .... :D
[10:38] <ct529> jussi01: what does it do that is so specil
[10:39] <jussi01> ct529: Ive no idea, Ive never used it. you could install it and have a look?
[10:40] <ct529> jussi01: this is what I did but it does not make any apparent difference ....
[10:40] <jussi01> ct529: I assume its an applet you need to add to your panel, try right click on the panel - add applet to panel - tastymenu
[10:41] <ct529> !info raptor
[10:41] <SlimeyPete> tastymenu is the default menu in hardy
[10:41] <SlimeyPete> if you have hardy, you're already running tastymenu
[10:41] <jussi01> SlimeyPete: hehe, didnt know that :)
[10:42] <ct529> SlimeyPete: it is not installed on my laptop
[10:42] <ct529> SlimeyPete: I did fresh install yesterday
[10:42] <ct529> SlimeyPete: thanks to your help :)
[10:43] <roby> sono nuovo
[10:43] <roby> c'è nessuno?
[10:43] <SlimeyPete> ct529: your laptop is running hardy?
[10:43] <SlimeyPete> !spanish
[10:43] <SlimeyPete> or...
[10:43] <SlimeyPete> !portguese
[10:43] <ct529> !italian
[10:43] <_julian> hi all
[10:43] <SlimeyPete> yeah
[10:43] <SlimeyPete> flippin latin languages all look the same ;)
[10:43] <roby> ok ciao ciao
[10:43] <SlimeyPete> hi _julian
[10:44]  * ct529 hits SlimeyPete with a mallet
[10:44] <ct529> SlimeyPete: your should study harder
[10:45] <SlimeyPete> heh
[10:45] <SlimeyPete> I'm English. We don't do foreign languages.
[10:46] <ct529> SlimeyPete: bad for you ....
[10:46] <SlimeyPete> true.
[10:49] <ct529> !reverse engineering
[10:49] <ct529> !ubottu
[10:52] <hellow> has anyone here ever used osx before?
[10:52] <haemogoblin> hi there
[10:52] <hellow> I have a quick question only someone that has could answer.
[10:52] <hellow> haemogoblin, you have?
[10:53] <haemogoblin> erm sorry no
[10:53] <hellow> oh, nm :O)
[10:53] <haemogoblin> :(
[10:53] <haemogoblin> i've been using kubuntu for all of 5 hours...sadly i dont think i could help you :S
[10:53] <hellow> well, if you want to vnc to one some day, lmk :)
[10:53] <haemogoblin> hehe
[10:54] <hellow> seriously, it's weird but nobody has evr replicated the zoom window function in os-x
[10:54] <K|> is there a way to disable that annoying kwallet password?
[10:54] <v6lur> K|: in kcontrol, tick off "enable kwallet subsystem"
[10:54] <haemogoblin> how do you increase the desktop res?
[10:54] <v6lur> don't remember exact location though
[10:54] <hellow> the maximize window philosophy of auld still plauges the non os-x world.
[10:59] <K|> v6lur: thanks, but i guess then all passwords are stored decentrally
[10:59] <v6lur> guess so, yes...
[10:59] <K|> still probably better, as long as all te apps can do so
[11:02] <leo_away> hellow: both compiz-fusion and kwin-kde4 have zooming
[11:03] <hellow> leo_away, have you used osx before?
[11:03] <leo_away> hellow: yup, it didn't have zooming when i used it
[11:03] <leo_away> hellow: i used cheetah
[11:04] <hellow> it did then
[11:04] <hellow> So, there's 3 buttons prominently featured in most every os x window.
[11:04] <leo_away> hellow: i hated every second of my os X esperience
[11:04] <K|> ah, meanwhile it's possible to have no password ("") in kwallet
[11:04] <leo_away> experience*
[11:04] <hellow> it's hard to explain, but do you know the functions of the red, yellow and green buttons?
[11:04] <K|> gotta try
[11:04] <hellow> leo_away: then you can't help me and have no idea what i'm on about :)
[11:04] <hellow> thanks tho
[11:04] <leo_away> hellow: i thought they were like maximize, minimize and close
[11:05] <leo_away> hellow: it wasn't my comp, so i really didn't use it much.
[11:05] <hellow> ah, you'd assume that but that third (zoom) button is way different
[11:05] <hellow> there is no maximize in osx
[11:05] <hellow> it seems odd for someone that's never used it i know
[11:05] <leo_away> hellow: oh, it's like one of those "right mouse button" things then...
[11:05] <hellow> as i say, hard to explain. maybe i should open up a mac i have lying around on vnc to you folks to know what i'm on about... :)
[11:06] <hellow> leo, no...
[11:06] <leo_away> hellow: :-P
[11:06] <hellow> it dynamically resizes the window based on it's contents
[11:06] <leo_away> hellow: ooo
[11:06] <hellow> anyway, hard to explain
[11:06] <hellow> but if you have a 342x128 image
[11:06] <leo_away> hellow: maybe w/ a youtube video?
[11:06] <hellow> maximizing to 1920x1200 sucks
[11:06] <hellow> yeah, i might do that
[11:07] <hellow> trust me, it kicks ass.. and, oddly even most mac heads don't notice it's different than maximize lol
[11:07] <leo_away> hellow: i'm going to sleep now, but i'm interested in that. if you find an example pm it and i'll see it when i wake up
[11:07] <hellow> it "justworks" (god i'm tired of that phrase) lol
[11:07] <leo_away> hellow: it's "just works (TM)" lol
[11:07] <hellow> leo_away: yeah, i'll post something if i find helpful info
[11:07] <hellow> it'd help us all if we had it :)
[11:07] <leo_away> hellow: yeah, i really didn't notice it wasn't like maximize
[11:08] <leo_away> hellow: but basically all i did was chat on that comp. i didn't buy it, didn't set it up, didn't own it...
[11:09] <leo_away> well... gnite (it's actually 7am... but gnite anyways)
[11:09] <K|> good night then
[11:09] <hellow> gnight (ten past three here) :O)
[11:12] <haemogoblin> how does one...increase his screen resolution in kubuntu
[11:12] <haemogoblin> :P
[11:13] <v6lur> haemogoblin, look for "system settings" in k-menu, open it, go to "monitor & display"
[11:13] <haemogoblin> thanks mate
[11:16] <v6lur> if you can't change the resolution there, then there are, well, other ways...
[11:19] <holyguyver_> Now I know that it came presetup with a cups/as pdf printer driver, but it doesn't allow me to choose a different name or location for the file. Is there any way for me to configure it to let me, or does anyone know of a different pdf diver that does?
[11:31] <sigma_> im in kde4 but sys monitor says im running kwin and not kwin-kde4, how do i switch over?
[11:31] <sigma_> i think thats the reason that no desktop effects are working for me
[11:33] <uhriventis> I just got done installing Linux from a windows box. No dual boot just Linux... I'm SICK of windows. I got 7 viruses tonight and desided, "Fuck this"... Exuce the language
[11:33] <sigma_> lol join the club
[11:33] <uhriventis> I'm really good with windows too. But, just to delete some viruses... Safe mode... reg... uhg
[11:33] <uhriventis> Tired of doing it
[11:34] <sigma_> try kde4, its very similar to vista, way faster though
[11:34] <eagles0513875> uhriventis: join the club i was getting bsod issues yesterday on my new laptop and i want to get rid of vista but kubuntu just wont install
[11:34] <uhriventis> I got Kubuntu 7.10 right now I'm moving to Kubuntu 8.04 with the new kde 4
[11:34] <eagles0513875> turned out drivers were causing the bsod
[11:34] <uhriventis> What happens when you try to install?
[11:35] <IppatsuMan> sigma_, kwin is still called kwin in KDE4. You can check which kwin you are using by executing: ls -l /proc/$(ps aux | grep kwin | grep session | awk '{print $2}')/exe
[11:35] <emilsedgh> sigma_: man! its not similiar to vista!
[11:35] <imut> hiiiiiiiiiii
[11:35] <uhriventis> It's similiar to the new look that all three Window, Linux, and Mac put it
[11:35] <uhriventis> out
[11:36] <uhriventis> All do basically the same thing just linux is fater.
[11:36] <eagles0513875> uhriventis: nightmare this laptop is 3 yrs old my new one is 5 months and its a headache install hangs use alt cd it installs but x doesnt work
[11:36] <eagles0513875> with gutsy i get a pnp bios bug
[11:36] <eagles0513875> uhriventis: u running 32bit or 64
[11:36] <uhriventis> Video card problem? Try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[11:36] <uhriventis> 32
[11:37] <sigma_> IppatsuMan: ah i see, well i am running the kde4 one, just dont get why the desktop effects dont work for me on a nvidia 6600gt with repo drivers
[11:37] <sigma_> IppatsuMan: do i have to be using kdm-kde4 for them to work?
[11:37] <uhriventis> I had that problem you are describeing eagles and it was a conflict with my video card
[11:37] <eagles0513875> i dont have it install on the new machine its a duel core turion and im not sure if there are bugs support issues with my proc
[11:37] <eagles0513875> uhriventis: im not goign to switch to kubuntu just yet i need a windows machine for my games
[11:38] <uhriventis> I hear you
[11:38] <eagles0513875> tried wine on this old thing and my gpu isnt good enough to run world of warcraft
[11:38] <eagles0513875> at least not until i can bring my desktop ovr from usa
[11:38] <uhriventis> amega or whatever program it is... Have you tried that?
[11:38] <eagles0513875> which has a 6600gt and im able to play wow on it
[11:38] <eagles0513875> no i have used wine on here
[11:38] <uhriventis> I used to play wow.
[11:38] <uhriventis> But
[11:38] <eagles0513875> on my desktop it works fine
[11:39] <uhriventis> The games I have been into are so old that wine runs them. Civ 2/Medal of Honor
[11:39] <DexterF> !bugs
[11:39] <eagles0513875> DexterF: thing is im not sure if its a bug relating to my hardware or just the video card
[11:39] <eagles0513875> uhriventis:  my video card and chipset is an nvidia chipset a go 6150
[11:40] <DexterF> eagles0513875: uh, nono, *I* need to report one. but since you're about video card, too, what is your problem?
[11:41] <eagles0513875> DexterF: i have a new laptop 5 months old and when i install with normal cd it hangs when trying to start installation and with alternate cd it works but no x
[11:41] <uhriventis> I have two vid cards. I had to switch to my onboard one. I used a old ati radeon 9250 256k. I read about a hundred forums with people having the same problem but no resolution. I once got it to boot fine but things were extremely slow. No 3d at all
[11:41] <eagles0513875> and with gutsy i get a pnp bios bug
[11:41] <eagles0513875> this is an hp tx1308nr table
[11:41] <eagles0513875> t
[11:41] <flotishu> firestarter problem since i removed it , then instaled kmyfirewall. removed it. and reinstalled firestarter. http://pastebin.com/m723ea818      help?
[11:41] <DexterF> eagles0513875: odd, but different issue
[11:41] <uhriventis> I think your problem is Vid card
[11:42] <eagles0513875> im just going to f*** it for now i have this old thing which is my dev and testing machine
[11:42] <DexterF> eagles0513875: tried any other live cds? grml or kanotix?
[11:43] <_julian> are there qt 4.4 packages for (k)ubuntu 7.10 already?
[11:43] <eagles0513875> DexterF: its funny since i have an amd and amd seems to be supporting open suse it installs and x works
[11:43] <eagles0513875> thing is i have weird issues with my audio and getting open gl working
[11:43] <uhriventis> You might have it looking for the wrong port too. I could get past the boot screen then I did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and I noticed that it was looking for my PCI card in the wrong slot 1:0:0 when it should have been 2:9:0
[11:43] <DexterF> eagles0513875: that's nothing to do with suse. probably they have X patched up someplace where kub doesn't
[11:44] <uhriventis> By the way I'm extremely new at this so my advice might now be as good as the others.
[11:44] <eagles0513875> DexterF: im not worried bout this
[11:45] <uhriventis> But, it just seems by how you describe you problem I've had the same crap happen to me
[11:45] <eagles0513875> uhriventis: take a look at my site and sign up its for people who r new to linux
[11:45] <uhriventis> Link
[11:45] <eagles0513875> uhriventis: http://howtokubuntu.x10hosting.com im going to work on it once i finish my exam on thursday
[11:45] <eagles0513875> taking complexly worded how to's and make them easy for new users such as urself
[11:45] <eagles0513875> worth siging up i have a forum and some links as well
[11:46] <flotishu>  firestarter problem since i removed it , then instaled kmyfirewall. removed it. and reinstalled firestarter. http://pastebin.com/m723ea818     some apps like firefox or etherape are not runing too.  help?
[11:46] <uhriventis> Done
[11:46] <eagles0513875> :)
[11:46] <uhriventis> Make me a mod ;^) hahaha
[11:46] <eagles0513875> welcome
[11:47] <uhriventis> Yup I'll be checking it out
[11:47] <eagles0513875> dude i dont have that many people or that many posts on the forum where i need a mod
[11:47] <uhriventis>  Should promote it
[11:47] <uhriventis> More
[11:48] <eagles0513875> im trying to dude
[11:48] <eagles0513875> uhriventis: you would be a big help if would spread the word as well
[11:48] <uhriventis> Have a myspace? I've a bunch of linux users- new at that that would more than likally join
[11:48] <eagles0513875> and im going to put up flyers at my school
[11:48] <eagles0513875> uhriventis: ya i do
[11:48] <eagles0513875> !register | uhriventis
[11:49] <uhriventis> I've got to reg this un?
[11:49] <uhriventis> How?
[11:50] <eagles0513875> !register | uhriventis
[11:50] <eagles0513875> uhriventis:  u register if u want to be able to talk ot people in private
[11:52] <uhriventis> Yeah I have no Idea how to though. :^)
[11:52] <beme> so i'm going to go for it, upgrading from 606 to 804 , /me scared
[11:52] <eagles0513875> uhriventis:  y default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about registering your nickname: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration - Type « /nick <nickname> » to select your nickname.
[11:52] <haemogoblin> are there and good web developing tools like dreamweaver for linux?
[11:52] <eagles0513875> !ide
[11:52] <eagles0513875> haemogoblin: i know u can dev websites with netbeans
[11:53] <haemogoblin> ooh okies
[11:53] <eagles0513875> then there is eclipse
[11:53] <haemogoblin> i'm after something thats not all coding
[11:53] <uhriventis> I don't know some bot jsut keeps telling me to reg
[11:53] <haemogoblin> because i'm not a great coder
[11:53] <beme> haemogoblin, i don't think we consider dreamweaver a good wedeveloping tool.. you might want to  check what asalt.Com says
[11:54] <uhriventis> Alright it's registered
[11:54] <beme> http://www.osalt.com/dreamweaver
[11:54] <haemogoblin> well i'm willing to work outside the box
[11:54] <haemogoblin> i'm not rigid to using dreamweaver
[11:54] <beme> haemogoblin, check quanta plus then
[11:54] <haemogoblin> cheers
[11:55] <beme> or check if you can get dreamweaver to run under wine
[11:57] <beme> hmz update-manager in kubuntu 606 doesn't show 804?
[11:59] <luc_> anybody syncing egroupware with KDE Kontact without problems ?
[12:03] <v6lur> beme, i'm not sure, but i think you have to upgrade to 6.10 first, then 7.04, 7.10, and then 8.04
[12:03] <v6lur> not sure though, maybe you can skim some step(s)
[12:03] <beme> yeah no offence but i'm not that crazy it might work
[12:03] <beme> but i'm not going to waste the download on that, i'd sooner just build gentoo from source then
[12:04] <ActionParsnip> beme: id do a clean install. much more graceful
[12:05] <beme> i am reluctant to do that
[12:09] <beme> upgrading from lts to lts should work .. i'm going to get there   i'm sure:)
[12:11] <eagles0513875> !ndiswrapper | uhriventis
[12:11] <ActionParsnip> beme: Ive seen a lot of people upgade then something that previouslyworked does not.
[12:12] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: hey
[12:12] <ActionParsnip> hey eagles0513875
[12:12] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: thats me lol i used to do that by changing sources when u could do that
[12:12] <v6lur> kubuntu 8.04 isn't lts, is it?
[12:12] <v6lur> ubuntu is, but not kubuntu
[12:12] <eagles0513875> ?
[12:12] <v6lur> because of the inclusion of kde4
[12:13] <beme> 8.04 has kde4? is it the only option? or can i use kde3.5 too?
[12:13] <nohelphere> what is the name of the mysql php package?
[12:13] <v6lur> yes you can
[12:13] <nohelphere> 8.04 comes with 3.5 or 4
[12:13] <v6lur> kde3.5 is the default
[12:14] <ActionParsnip> v6lur: no if you download the kde4 iso
[12:14] <eagles0513875> v6lur: there is a kde4 remix
[12:14] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: whats the functionality like has it been getting better cuz last time i used kde4 wasnt able to right click and delete stuff off the desktop
[12:14] <v6lur> ah, yes, forgot to mention that :)
[12:14] <beme> yeah i'm not going kde4 for a long while it already crashed on me enough  in testing
[12:15] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: no idea, i use kde3.5
[12:15] <eagles0513875> i only have kde4 to try amarok 2
[12:15] <eagles0513875> which i still have no sound
[12:15] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: the apps I use run fine in it so I'm not changing just yet
[12:15] <eagles0513875> ok
[12:15] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: kde4 will auto install in its own sweet time. im in no rush
[12:16] <eagles0513875> lol
[12:16] <nohelphere> doe sanyone know the name of the php mysql package?>?
[12:17] <beme> bah i'm convinced then downloading iso   :(
[12:17] <ActionParsnip> nohelphere: Ubuntu LAMP :)
[12:17] <NickPresta> !info php5-mysql
[12:24] <BluesKaj> howdy folks
[12:24] <NickPresta> hey BluesKaj
[12:25] <eagles0513875> hey BluesKaj
[12:26] <n0th> hi guys.
[12:26] <uhriventis> Hey
[12:26] <ActionParsnip> !hi | BluesKaj
[12:27] <n0th>  i did not quite get till when the new kubuntu LTS supports kde3...
[12:27] <n0th> hi uhriventis
[12:27] <Dragnslcr> Kubuntu 8.04 isn't LTS
[12:27] <n0th> do they supportehm
[12:27] <n0th> huch\
[12:27] <Dragnslcr> Exactly because of what you're saying
[12:27] <Dragnslcr> The KDE team won't be supporting KDE3 for 3 years, and KDE4 isn't ready yet
[12:28] <eagles0513875> i read an article that hardy is lts
[12:28] <NickPresta> !hardy
[12:28] <n0th> ehym so 8.04 is not LTS?
[12:28] <uhriventis> I'm going giong to try the new KDE
[12:28] <Dr_willis> Ubuntu is.. Kubuntu is not.
[12:28] <n0th> -y
[12:28] <BluesKaj> hiya NickPresta. eagles0513875, ActionParsnip ...was reading the news
[12:28] <n0th> ach ok so now i get it... so no long-term support for kde3 in ubuntu?
[12:29] <neville_> Okay I was able to connect to my router, and ping it successfully, but I can't connect to the internet. What could be the problem there?
[12:29] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: is it lts or not
[12:29] <beme> router
[12:30] <ActionParsnip> neville_: can you connect to the www from other pcs
[12:30] <ActionParsnip> neville_: can you ping websites from the box that will not browse the www?
[12:30] <neville_> Yes, this one for instance (it's using wired though)
[12:30] <neville_> Nope, just ping the router and other computers
[12:31] <BluesKaj> eagles0513875, Dragnslcr is correct from whay i"ve heard about LTS, ubuntu is LTS , kubuntu isn't
[12:31] <uhriventis> What the hell is LTS?
[12:31] <BluesKaj> Long term Support
[12:31] <uhriventis> Oh
[12:32] <wirechief-intel> good morning BluesKaj
[12:32] <uhriventis> Well, the small kubuntu group supports themselves by what I've experienced. really nice peeps.
[12:32] <BluesKaj> if you want LTS on 8.04 , then it's ubuntu
[12:32] <BluesKaj> morning wirechief
[12:32] <nanothief> when running kubuntu hardy kde3, from ProcessTable, Xorg is reported as having a VmSize of 957,752. Is this normal? (it seems very high to me)
[12:32] <beme> uhriventis, yeah who else is going to do it
[12:33] <uhriventis> Dunno
[12:33] <ActionParsnip> neville_: can you tracert to www.google.com
[12:34] <ActionParsnip> neville_: if you get the ip of google, try pinging that instead of the name
[12:35] <uhriventis> I just pinged them their ip address is 72.14.253.104 if that was needed
[12:35] <neville_> thanks, will check in a second
[12:38] <neville_> Okay, it just says "connect: network is unreachable" but pinging the gateway works
[12:38] <fizzer> !sound
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> neville_: can we have a pastebin of your ifconfig please
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> !paste | neville_
[12:39] <neville_> Knetworkmanager isn't registering any active devices, either, but the hardware shows up in restricted drivers manager and kwifi detects the network just fine
[12:39] <neville_> Sure
[12:40] <neville_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11095/
[12:41] <ActionParsnip> neville_: cool, ok how is it supposed to connect. Wired or wireless?
[12:41] <neville_> wireless
[12:42] <ActionParsnip> neville_:ok, can we have a pastebin of /etc/network/interfaces
[12:43] <neville_> Sure, just give me a second, have to take the garbage out -_-v
[12:43] <Dr_willis> ack! its garbage day here also!
[12:43] <Dr_willis> BRB@!
[12:44] <uhriventis> Thurdays here
[12:44]  * beme double checks, ah friday no stress for garbage then
[12:44]  * ActionParsnip has his bin on the street 24/7 so doesnt worry
[12:47] <neville_> ActionParsnip: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11097/
[12:48] <Dr_willis> we have new 'robotic' trash trucks - we have to use the special city trash cans now.
[12:50] <ActionParsnip> neville_: you dont have the essid specified in interfaces but network manager should let you scan, i'd move the auto  ath0 to above iface ath0 inet static
[12:50] <ActionParsnip> neville_:  this may help too http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=684495
[12:50] <ActionParsnip> neville_:  you could also rename interfaces to something like interfaces.old and reboot. you will get a skeleton file which you can configure using network manager
[12:51] <ActionParsnip> neville_: if the file still isnt cool, rename the file back after removing the new one
[12:54] <neville_> Okay, i'll give that guide a quick run through for starters, then if push comes to shove I'll try it the latter way you mentioned
[12:54] <neville_> Thanks for the help
[12:56]  * ScorpKing forgot to place the carbage outside today..
[12:57] <ActionParsnip> neville_: np bro
[13:02] <haemogoblin> hey guys i've just downloaded quanta plus
[13:03] <haemogoblin> how do i install the application
[13:03] <prateek> hey guyz...good evening(or whatever)
[13:03] <prateek> i have a big prob
[13:03] <prateek> whenevr i boot into my Kubuntu 7.10  my internet doesnt seem to work
[13:04] <prateek> then i type
[13:04] <prateek> sudo dhclient eth0
[13:04] <prateek> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[13:04] <ScorpKing> haemogoblin: sudo aptitude install quanta
[13:05] <ScorpKing> !info quanta
[13:05] <prateek> in this sequence for many a times and i get interenet going....everytime
[13:05] <prateek> HelP
[13:05] <prateek> HelP
[13:05] <ScorpKing> prateek: do you have dialup?
[13:06] <prateek> nop...DSL
[13:06] <ScorpKing> a router or usb modem?
[13:06] <prateek> router...that is a 256 kbps thing
[13:07] <ScorpKing> and it plug in on eth0 right?
[13:07] <ScorpKing> heh.. silly question
[13:07] <prateek> funniest part...net works quite a breeze in Live CD but in Installed thing..it doesnt start automatically
[13:07] <prateek> Nop
[13:07] <prateek> thats not silly
[13:07] <ScorpKing> prateek: can you pastebin /etc/network/interfaces ?
[13:08] <prateek> When i click on knetwork Manger...i get Device: NO active device...yes i am pasting it
[13:08]  * ScorpKing waits..
[13:08] <prateek> auto lo
[13:08] <prateek> iface lo inet loopback
[13:08] <prateek> address 127.0.0.1
[13:08] <prateek> netmask 255.0.0.0
[13:08] <prateek> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[13:08] <prateek> auto eth0
[13:08] <prateek> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[13:08] <ScorpKing> !paste
[13:09] <ScorpKing> prateek: in future plz don't paste here
[13:09] <ScorpKing> prateek: kdesudo kate /etc/network/interfaces
[13:09] <prateek> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11100/
[13:09] <ScorpKing> :)
[13:09] <prateek> :)
[13:10] <ScorpKing> remove line 7
[13:10] <prateek> its the same
[13:10] <prateek> removed
[13:10] <prateek> then?
[13:10] <ScorpKing> save and close
[13:10] <prateek> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11101/
[13:11] <prateek> error: you dont have permission
[13:11] <ScorpKing> prateek: could you save it?
[13:11] <ScorpKing> oh
[13:11] <prateek> Why! its my pc...i dont hv permission!
[13:11] <ScorpKing> prateek: kdesudo kate /etc/network/interfaces
[13:11] <ScorpKing> !sudo | prateek
[13:12] <prateek> no...its saying u cant
[13:12] <prateek> sudo su?
[13:12] <flotishu> firestarter problem since i removed it , then instaled kmyfirewall. removed it. and reinstalled firestarter. http://pastebin.com/m723ea818     some apps like firefox or etherape are not runing too.  help?
[13:12] <ScorpKing> prateek: then you'll have to use vim
[13:12] <ASUS-tek> yoo to all
[13:12] <prateek> what if i browse it and EDIT AS root?
[13:13] <ScorpKing> anything that can edit it as root
[13:13] <ScorpKing> hiya ASUS-tek
[13:13] <prateek> ok
[13:14] <nanothief> prateek: there is a right click action in konqueror to edit a file as root Actions->edit as root
[13:14] <prateek> i did it!
[13:15] <prateek> now?
[13:15] <ScorpKing> prateek: line 7 removed and saved?
[13:15] <prateek> yup
[13:15] <prateek> see scorpking..now there is a intresting thing
[13:15] <uhriventis> how do I sign on to my account
[13:15] <ScorpKing> prateek: before you restart the networking look in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules if eth0 is mentioned there
[13:15] <prateek> Whenever i do such things (open as root >>edit as root)
[13:16] <prateek> error: unknown host etc
[13:17] <ScorpKing> ugh..
[13:17] <prateek> no
[13:17] <prateek> sorry its correct
[13:17] <prateek> eth0 is der
[13:17] <ScorpKing> ah nice
[13:17] <prateek> scorpking..
[13:17] <ScorpKing> then run sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart to see if it works
[13:17] <prateek> before i restart it
[13:17] <ScorpKing> ?
[13:17] <prateek> plz tell me one thing
[13:17] <prateek> as
[13:17] <prateek> i do such opertaions such as open as root
[13:18] <prateek> i get errors while closing the window of dolphin
[13:18] <prateek> The error is Unable to save bookmarks...
[13:19] <prateek> Permmission Dinied
[13:19] <ScorpKing> prateek: if you start applications from konsole it will show the errors in there. just ask here and someone will help if they know
[13:19] <ScorpKing> prateek: sudo chown 1000:1000 -R /home/<yourname>/
[13:19] <prateek> ok...tell me how can i IM them?
[13:19] <prateek> that will make me root?
[13:20] <ScorpKing> no that will fix that error
[13:20] <prateek> command not found
[13:20] <prateek> command not found
[13:20] <ScorpKing> prateek: what did you type?
[13:20] <prateek> same thing...prateek: sudo chown 1000:1000 -R /home/<yourname>/
[13:21] <prateek> yourname=prateek
[13:21] <ScorpKing> replace <yourname> with your username
[13:21] <prateek> ya...i know that
[13:21] <ScorpKing> ah
[13:21] <prateek> command not found error
[13:21] <ScorpKing> weird..
[13:21] <prateek> yup
[13:21] <uhriventis> Ok
[13:22] <prateek> is there no GUI method?
[13:22] <ScorpKing> !register | uhriventis
[13:22] <prateek> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11102/
[13:22] <prateek> see this
[13:23] <ScorpKing> prateek: i use konsole for almost everything so i'm not sure. i think there is an option if you right-click on your home folder in konqueror
[13:23] <ScorpKing> prateek: hehe. don't put prateek: in there
[13:24] <ScorpKing> sudo chown 1000:1000 -R /home/prateek/
[13:24] <prateek> yes..i have tried that many a times before for folders on my ntfs partitions...i open them as rot change their owners and come back to see nothing changed and this bookmarks error
[13:24] <ScorpKing> just like that ^
[13:24] <prateek> -R for no errors?
[13:25] <prateek> No error this time
[13:25] <ScorpKing> -R = recursive
[13:25] <prateek> man u rock
[13:25] <prateek> did it right
[13:25] <prateek> no error
[13:25] <ScorpKing> prateek: it should work now :)
[13:25] <prateek> can i do it for those NTFS partitions?
[13:26] <ScorpKing> prateek: you can mount it with your uuid
[13:26] <prateek> how how?
[13:26] <ScorpKing> prateek: for egsample - sudo mount -t ntfs-3g -o uid=1000,gid=1000 /dev/hdb1 /media/windows
[13:27] <ScorpKing> exsample*
[13:27] <Dr_willis> Hmmm.. Who do i smack for the idea of  a device showing up as  ' system:/media/sdf1 ' when in fact its actually been mounted to /media/disk  :)
[13:27] <prateek> english is funny languae
[13:27]  * ScorpKing can't spell
[13:27] <prateek> ge
[13:27] <prateek> example
[13:27] <ScorpKing> ah
[13:28] <ScorpKing> Dr_willis: you have to set a label for that disk
[13:28] <haemogoblin> Hi there
[13:28] <haemogoblin> i crashed
[13:28] <haemogoblin> someone on here was giving me install tips
[13:28] <prateek> fuse: failed to access mountpoint /media/Window: No such file or directory
[13:28] <prateek> FUSE mount point creation failed
[13:28] <prateek> Unmounting /dev/sda1 (Windows xp)
[13:28] <haemogoblin> Are they still around?
[13:29] <prateek> Hey it unmounted it :(
[13:29] <Dr_willis> ScorpKing,  it shouldent matter..  It would make MUCh more sence for it to be  using system:/media/disk   in both cases.. or  /media/sdf1 in both cases.
[13:29] <ScorpKing> Dr_willis: i'd look in /etc/udev/rules.d/<something> for other options
[13:29] <ScorpKing> Dr_willis: i agree
[13:29] <eagles0513875> haemogoblin: install tips for what
[13:29] <Dr_willis> I normally do make labels. :) but i just formated this one.
[13:29] <prateek> eagles0513875: i didnt work
[13:29] <Dr_willis> Now to see if it boots. :) bb in a few
[13:29] <prateek> it
[13:30] <eagles0513875> prateek: :( the ntfs-3g didnt work
[13:30] <prateek> eagles0513875: no the internet thing.
[13:30] <eagles0513875> prateek: O_o
[13:30] <eagles0513875> refresh my memory dude
[13:30] <prateek> but scorpion helped me
[13:30] <prateek> he deleted some lines from Interfaces
[13:30] <haemogoblin> installing Quanta
[13:30] <eagles0513875> ur wifi issue
[13:30] <prateek> actually 1 line
[13:30] <ScorpKing> eagles0513875: he had duplicate eth0 entries in interfaces
[13:31] <eagles0513875> haemogoblin: it should be in repo
[13:31] <eagles0513875> !info quanta
[13:31] <eagles0513875> speaking of im going to do the same thing
[13:31] <ScorpKing> haemogoblin: sudo aptitude install quanta
[13:31] <haemogoblin> thank you
[13:31] <prateek> ScorpKing: is 521 MB ram too low for Compiz?
[13:31] <prateek> and screenlets
[13:31] <prateek> and wine
[13:31] <uhriventis> Naw
[13:32] <uhriventis> I've a gig. but, I think 512 should be fine for some stuff
[13:32] <haemogoblin> where do i learn how this suda think works?
[13:32] <ScorpKing> prateek: i'm not sure. you'll have to test it
[13:32] <uhriventis> Maybe not all the bells and whistles but, just enough
[13:32] <prateek> i tested on Ubuntu 7.10
[13:32] <ScorpKing> !sudo | uhriventis
[13:32] <haemogoblin> sudo even
[13:32] <ScorpKing> oops
[13:32] <prateek> slowly its performance decresed exponentially
[13:33] <violinappren> hi all, any body knows how to make USB disks get mount with utf8 option? i'm running kubuntu-kde4-desktop on gutsy
[13:33] <eagles0513875> prateek: do u have open gl enabled
[13:33] <ScorpKing> haemogoblin: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information.
[13:33] <prateek> and i got sluggish mouse and a sluggish pc and i got shifted to Bill Gates xp
[13:33] <haemogoblin> i can thank you scorp
[13:33] <prateek> hw do i check?
[13:33] <ScorpKing> haemogoblin: you're welcome
[13:33] <ScorpKing> i have to get back to work. have fun guys
[13:34] <stdin> !test
[13:34] <eagles0513875> prateek: run glxinfo in konsole
[13:34] <uhriventis> ooo, 91 percent done till kde4 is ready
[13:34] <prateek> k
[13:34] <Przemek1910> www.sonygsm.nmj.pl
[13:34] <eagles0513875> ?
[13:34] <prateek> therez a matrix
[13:35] <prateek> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11103/
[13:35] <eagles0513875> prateek: near the top it should say direct rendering yes
[13:35] <prateek> yes
[13:36] <eagles0513875> prateek: u should be fine
[13:36] <prateek> openGl...is it counterpart of directX as in xp
[13:36] <eagles0513875> yep
[13:36] <spine55> I can't seem to get the proprietary NVIDIA graphics driver to stay setup.  Everytime I reboot and have to resinstall it.
[13:36] <prateek> can i play my NFS MW in it?
[13:36] <eagles0513875> ? really
[13:36] <prateek> with it..
[13:36] <eagles0513875> prateek: u would have to install wine
[13:37] <prateek> yes..i know that
[13:37] <prateek> but it needs DirectX 9c
[13:37] <prateek> that is not with wine
[13:37] <prateek> can openGL do it
[13:37] <xsacha> wine has directx9
[13:37] <prateek> wot!
[13:37] <prateek> man.
[13:37] <xsacha> wine can play crysis..
[13:37] <xsacha> albeit with some graphical glitches
[13:37] <prateek> NFS Prostreet
[13:38] <xsacha> if you wanna know if wine plays your app, check the app database.. appdb.winehq.org
[13:38] <prateek> and ya is my pc a lowend just bcoz i have 512 MB ram (128 Graphics onboard) and a core 2 duo @ 2
[13:38] <prateek> .00 Hhz
[13:39] <eagles0513875> prateek: ull need wine to play any windows game
[13:39] <eagles0513875> except unreal series which is also coded for linux
[13:39] <xsacha> prateek: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=9854
[13:39] <eagles0513875> its in hardy repos
[13:39] <xsacha> thats prostreet... note that the entry is over 2 months old. so that bug may be fixed
[13:40] <prateek> xsacha: well thanks..but the graphics in pc are too bad
[13:41] <prateek> they resemble Midtown Madness
[13:42] <prateek> eagles0513875: i have a slow internet connection so i cant download things...is there any command which i can type in terminal and the packages ("SETUP") is downloaded on another pc and i can bring to my pc and install them
[13:43] <eagles0513875> not that i know of prateek
[13:43] <eagles0513875> u wired or wireless
[13:43] <prateek> no....
[13:43] <prateek> i mean i will go to that pc and type it
[13:43] <prateek> there
[13:44] <prateek> and then get it my poor pc
[13:44] <prateek> ?
[13:45] <prateek> how can i send private messages?
[13:45] <IppatsuMan> prateek: you may find this project interesting: http://aptoncd.sourceforge.net/
[13:46] <prateek> see this i know
[13:46] <prateek> i knew this thing
[13:47] <prateek> suppose i want to get JUST WINE
[13:47] <prateek> on a non interent PC how will i get it!
[13:47] <prateek> any ideas?
[13:48] <prateek> suppose i want to get JUST WINE
[13:48] <prateek> [18:17] <prateek> on a non interent PC how will i get it!
[13:49] <xsacha> you can add a cd rom as a source
[13:50] <xsacha> i think there's also some instructions on how to get it from another computer but i dont remember
[13:50] <xsacha> you could always just d/l the wine.deb file and then send it to your computer
[13:50] <xsacha> however you send files.. flash drive or whatever
[13:53] <suze> hello i have alc861 vd realtek and i have this issue when i record with audacity i have nice volume when i try to record with recordmydesktop i get low volume
[13:53] <suze> wtf?
[13:53] <ASUS-tek> wtf
[13:53] <ASUS-tek> ??
[13:54] <ASUS-tek> suze is a nice nick
[13:54] <suze> any idea?
[13:55] <suze> what boring problem
[13:55] <suze> -_-
[14:00] <flotishu_>  firestarter problem since i removed it , then instaled kmyfirewall. removed it. and reinstalled firestarter. http://pastebin.com/m723ea818     some apps like firefox or etherape are not runing too.  help?
[14:01] <ASUS-tek> there are 355 users but no one for the rescue or help sick ppl
[14:02] <prateek> xsacha: i have a penfrive thats no prob...bt for most of things we dont get DEB, click on it..it starts downloading it and then it installes it...i dont see "setup" anytime
[14:03] <ASUS-tek> prateek u Indian
[14:04] <prateek> yes
[14:04] <prateek> ASUS-tek: Yes.....u
[14:04] <prateek> ??
[14:05] <ASUS-tek> lol me to
[14:05] <ASUS-tek> wehre u located in Indian
[14:05] <prateek> Delhi..
[14:05] <prateek> u
[14:05] <ASUS-tek> lol me at Mumbai
[14:05] <ASUS-tek> very nice to see ya dude
[14:05] <prateek> Same here...felt alone
[14:06] <ASUS-tek> humm.. waht do u do by the way u student
[14:06] <prateek> i am an engineering guy...DCE
[14:06] <prateek> heard name?
[14:06] <prateek> Ist Yr
[14:06] <ASUS-tek> do u feel ubuntu if marketed with computer manufacture will be sucessful
[14:06] <ASUS-tek> in India
[14:07] <prateek> No
[14:07] <ASUS-tek> what do u feel
[14:07] <prateek> No
[14:07] <ASUS-tek> what y no justify naan also
[14:07] <ASUS-tek> dont jsut say no
[14:07] <prateek> See the problem is Ubuntu always needs you to have a interenet connection
[14:07] <ASUS-tek> y it will not be sucessful
[14:07] <ASUS-tek> ya man ur ight
[14:07] <ASUS-tek> humm..
[14:07] <prateek> and internet is not so accesible as in America
[14:07] <ASUS-tek> and what else u can say
[14:07] <prateek> also
[14:08] <ASUS-tek> tya ur right
[14:08] <prateek> there is no EXE thing here
[14:08] <ASUS-tek> u have tryed using other distro
[14:08] <prateek> yes
[14:08] <prateek> i used Kubuntu
[14:08] <ASUS-tek> what do u feel aobut them
[14:08] <prateek> I use Kubuntu
[14:08] <neville_> What do you mean EXE thing prateek
[14:08] <ASUS-tek> besides derbian
[14:08] <ASUS-tek> nevill
[14:09] <prateek> neville_: if i dont use wine..ubuntu doesnt know what Setup.exe means
[14:09] <prateek> also
[14:09] <ASUS-tek> here they are used to say software like exe and all here in ubuntu u just need a net connectoing and u downlad the software
[14:09] <prateek> ASUS-tek: i cant!
[14:09] <flotishu_> how to send a message on a windows client machine ?
[14:09] <prateek> i have 400 MB only a month
[14:09] <ASUS-tek> parteek what do u feel about pclinuxos
[14:09] <prateek> i cant download stuff!
[14:09] <ASUS-tek> have u tryed that distro
[14:10] <ASUS-tek> well how come prateek
[14:10] <psycodad> flotishu_: you smb win popups ?
[14:10] <ASUS-tek> prateek i am pm ing ya
[14:10] <psycodad> sorry, you mean was meant to say
[14:10] <prateek> mtnl gives me 400 MB only
[14:10] <prateek> ASUS-tek: r u on orkut
[14:10] <flotishu_> psycodad ya. like net send in windows
[14:11] <ASUS-tek> ya add me my email add
[14:11] <ASUS-tek> u all can add me
[14:11] <ASUS-tek> my email address
[14:11] <xsacha> 400MB a month? sounds like a 3rd world country
[14:11] <ASUS-tek> eumakant@gmail.com
[14:11] <prateek> ASUS-tek: it says i cant send private message
[14:11] <ASUS-tek> ya man ur right
[14:11] <xsacha> ive had this 10mbit downstream for over 10 years now
[14:11] <psycodad> flotishu_: smbclient should iirc be able to do this
[14:11] <prateek> xsacha: ya india...third world
[14:11] <ASUS-tek> just add me i ahve given ya my email address
[14:11] <xsacha> 400MB takes a few mins
[14:11] <prateek> xsacha: u all are developed
[14:11] <viperserv2> hmm
[14:11] <ASUS-tek> but me on 256 kbps connection
[14:11] <prateek> xsacha: we are developing
[14:12] <flotishu_> psycodad what is it?
[14:12] <xsacha> oh yeah, sorry
[14:12] <ASUS-tek> ya man ur very true
[14:12] <psycodad> flotishu_: and there is the specialized linpopup
[14:12] <prateek> ASUS-tek: i cant send private messages
[14:12] <xsacha> thought you said you were in US prateek
[14:12] <ASUS-tek> it all rightu dont have to sorry if we were not we wont be here
[14:12] <xsacha> nvm
[14:12] <flotishu_> psycodad what is smbcleint
[14:12] <prateek> xsacha: India..i said India..i love India
[14:13] <ASUS-tek> me to lots
[14:13] <psycodad> flotishu_: smbclient is a samba client, go do an 'aptitude search smbclient'
[14:13] <ASUS-tek> parteek add me
[14:13] <flotishu_> k
[14:13] <ASUS-tek> me haveing my pic with the Indian flag and ubuntu logo
[14:13] <prateek> ASUS-tek: funny...when i click on Add in Konquere browseer nothin happens
[14:13] <prateek> HA HA HA
[14:13] <xsacha> im from australia :)
[14:13] <ASUS-tek> kool man
[14:13] <prateek> xsacha: oh
[14:13] <ASUS-tek> how is like in australia
[14:14] <prateek> Racial Discrimination against indians there?
[14:14] <ASUS-tek> life*
[14:14] <psycodad> flotishu_: linpopup is also in the ubuntu repositories, i just never used it, smbclient works fine for that purpose
[14:14] <prateek> i heard it
[14:14] <prateek> xsacha?
[14:14] <xsacha> really?
[14:14] <ASUS-tek> lol
[14:14] <xsacha> not that i know of
[14:14] <prateek> xsacha: yup
[14:14] <flotishu_> psycodad linpop will send msng to linux from linux machines?
[14:14] <xsacha> heaps of indians here. a lot of the guys at uni are indian
[14:14] <ASUS-tek> ok tell me how is the night life in it oz contry
[14:14] <prateek> xsacha: man in indian newspapers it came everyday about those raxi drivers
[14:14] <prateek> TAXI
[14:14] <ASUS-tek> ya man ur right prateek
[14:15] <xsacha> ohh yeah i saw taxi drivers.. a taxi driver got killed, so they had big protest
[14:15] <prateek> ASUS-tek: u add me smartygoldenfish@yahoo.co.in
[14:15] <ASUS-tek> i als o heard about it i had also heard about Pak
[14:15] <psycodad> flotishu_: oh, i think you're right it seems like linpopup mimics the windows behaviour on linux, as i said never used it, smbclient is fine to send winpopups to win32 clients
[14:15] <prateek> ASUS-tek: send invite friend
[14:15] <ASUS-tek> xsacha
[14:15] <ASUS-tek> u ther
[14:16] <psycodad> flotishu_: go for smbclient, that works and is a nice tool for other tasks too
[14:16] <xsacha> yeah?
[14:16] <ASUS-tek> ok wiat
[14:16] <mohi> hi :)
[14:16] <uhriventis> My KDE4 bar is gone. How can I launch it?
[14:16] <xsacha> uhriventis: run plasma ?
[14:16] <ASUS-tek> done
[14:16] <ASUS-tek> have added ya
[14:16] <uhriventis> how would I do that
[14:16] <ASUS-tek> xsacha how is life in oz
[14:16] <ASUS-tek> like u also studying
[14:17] <ASUS-tek> or student
[14:17] <prateek> ASUS-tek: yaar kucch nahi aaya...tujhe hindi to aati hai naa
[14:17] <flotishu_> psycodad i have it. how to use it?
[14:17] <ASUS-tek> how is oz university different from uni at the USA
[14:17] <mohi> I have problem with my disks in Hardy. I cant write on them in Kubuntu
[14:17] <ASUS-tek> wiat
[14:17] <xsacha> i dunno what uni is like in US
[14:17] <hypernewbie_> mohi: are those disks ntfs?
[14:18] <ASUS-tek> Prateek Jain
[14:18] <ASUS-tek> i have add ya now
[14:18] <xsacha> but it's pretty good here
[14:18] <mohi> hypernewbie_: no. fat32 and ext3
[14:18] <prateek> ASUS-tek: kk\
[14:18] <hypernewbie_> oh :X
[14:18] <ASUS-tek> Rohini Sec 8, New Delhi, India
[14:18] <uhriventis> Plasma is running it's still not up
[14:18] <ASUS-tek> hehe
[14:18] <prateek> ha ha
[14:18] <prateek> thats GPS
[14:18] <ASUS-tek> xsacha ok tell me more about the life in austrilia
[14:19] <ASUS-tek> australia *
[14:19] <ASUS-tek> tell naa
[14:19] <xsacha> i dunno, it's just normal to me. nothing to compare it with
[14:19] <ASUS-tek> promote ur country
[14:19] <prateek> ASUS-tek: how did u send me a private message...did u register somewhere!
[14:19] <ASUS-tek> ya man
[14:19] <prateek> ASUS-tek: how
[14:19] <xsacha> why do i need to promote it? :P
[14:19] <prateek> where
[14:19] <ASUS-tek> am also new at this irc client
[14:19] <psycodad> flotishu_: echo "message" | smbclient -M MACHINE
[14:20] <ASUS-tek> wait
[14:20] <prateek> ASUS-tek; ye xsacha sahi mood mein nahi lagat
[14:20] <prateek> a
[14:20] <prateek> sala bhow khaa raha hai
[14:20] <ASUS-tek> like i also asked the same on the mains u jsut have to type soem command
[14:20] <ASUS-tek> i dont rememberthat
[14:20] <ASUS-tek> am using opea browser
[14:20] <eagles0513875> prateek: mmm english plz lol
[14:21] <prateek> eagles0513875: can u tell me how i can send private messages
[14:21] <ASUS-tek> tell him how to register to this irc client
[14:21] <prateek> eagles0513875: u r ma saviour!
[14:21] <ASUS-tek> eagles0513875
[14:21] <ASUS-tek> hahah nice
[14:21] <prateek> ASUS-tek:where in mumbai?
[14:21] <eagles0513875> !register | prateek
[14:21] <ASUS-tek> well i ahve add ya orkut u can now chat with me on gtalk
[14:22] <IppatsuMan> #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatting, please join there
[14:22] <ASUS-tek> « /nick <nickname>
[14:22] <ASUS-tek> do this prateek
[14:22] <ASUS-tek> « /nick <nickname>
[14:22] <prateek> « /nick prateekjain
[14:22] <prateek> like this?
[14:23] <ASUS-tek> in the <>
[14:23] <prateek> bt where?
[14:23] <ASUS-tek> in the mains
[14:23] <prateek> where?
[14:23] <ASUS-tek> xsacha
[14:23] <gsa> Hi all how do i invite someone to private chat?
[14:23] <ASUS-tek> tell him naan
[14:23] <ASUS-tek> like me using opera i did it on the mains
[14:23] <prateek> bada confusing hai
[14:23] <ASUS-tek> ya man ur right
[14:23] <prateek> i cant see any mains!
[14:23] <a> just /nick prateekjain
[14:24] <ASUS-tek> this is the mains
[14:24] <a> starting with /
[14:24] <xsacha> prateek: just type it here in chat
[14:24] <ASUS-tek> xsacha
[14:24] <xsacha> prateek: /nick prateekjain
[14:24] <ASUS-tek> lol nice to see ya
[14:24] <prateek> some spoonfeeding!
[14:24] <prateek> i need
[14:24] <ASUS-tek> xsacha which softwaer u sing for cahting
[14:24] <uhriventis> I'll wait a little while untill KDE4 gets their act together
[14:24] <prateekjain> yahoo!
[14:24] <xsacha> ASUS-tek: konversation
[14:24] <ASUS-tek> kool
[14:25] <ASUS-tek> woww
[14:25] <ASUS-tek> ok nice but me on win xp
[14:25] <prateekjain> bt i cant still send private msg to ASUS-tek
[14:25] <ASUS-tek> u know any good softewer on win xp
[14:25] <Pici> !offtopic
[14:25] <prateekjain> ASUS-tek: i am a master of WIndows Xp
[14:25] <ASUS-tek> hahah
[14:26] <ASUS-tek> but i wana promote linux in INdia :(
[14:26] <ASUS-tek> like puppy linux
[14:26] <ASUS-tek> or pclinusos and
[14:26] <prateekjain> ASUS-tek: well we shaare intrests
[14:26] <prateekjain> see ubuntu is a good Linux
[14:26] <prateekjain> and alos i saw gOS
[14:26] <prateekjain> or google OS
[14:26] <ASUS-tek> ya man but i guess it has lots of bold ware i gues
[14:26] <prateekjain> it rocks
[14:26] <prateekjain> bold ware?
[14:26] <ASUS-tek> ya man i also ryed rocket or now space Gos
[14:27] <ASUS-tek> ok i only tryed it onh live mode
[14:27] <prateekjain> yes...its too facebook oriented
[14:27] <ASUS-tek> ya man
[14:27] <prateekjain> though google owns Orkut
[14:27] <ASUS-tek> but me not quite active on face book
[14:27] <prateekjain> google gone nuts
[14:27] <ASUS-tek> i am wondering when they will introduce orkut
[14:27] <prateekjain> i dont hv account
[14:27] <ASUS-tek> account wehre
[14:27] <ASUS-tek> on facebook
[14:28] <mohi> how should we change the owner of a partition in linux?
[14:28] <ASUS-tek> I AM pRaTeEk Jain
[14:28] <ASUS-tek> 1. I am a good boy
[14:28] <ASUS-tek> 2. I want to know why you want to know what you want to know.
[14:28] <ASUS-tek> hahah
[14:28] <prateekjain> also i biggest prob in Ubuntu is people who ALWAYS overrate it just because its A free OS
[14:28] <ASUS-tek> 3. Hee hee.
[14:28] <ASUS-tek> 4. A mosquito in search of false love. Become my friend. But introduce yourself before adding me.
[14:28] <prateekjain> ha ha
[14:28] <ASUS-tek> haha humm.. kind of
[14:28] <prateekjain> i wrote it myself
[14:28] <ASUS-tek> 7. Who let the dogs out.
[14:28] <ASUS-tek> 8. I'm a fun loving guy who predicts the past.
[14:29] <ASUS-tek> haha very nice
[14:29] <prateekjain> wot r u..a student?
[14:29] <ASUS-tek> me was at the last yr of enginering
[14:29] <ASUS-tek> me now ding time pass
[14:29] <prateekjain> kk
[14:29] <ASUS-tek> me on vactions
[14:29] <prateekjain> ok
[14:29] <ASUS-tek> pak raha hai
[14:29] <prateekjain> which colg?
[14:29] <prateekjain> which colg?
[14:29] <ASUS-tek> me some study center in mumbai
[14:29] <prateekjain> ok...heard DCE
[14:29] <prateekjain> ?
[14:29] <ASUS-tek> maray ko girl friends bee nahee hai aabi
[14:30] <ASUS-tek> nope
[14:30] <ASUS-tek> dce is dont know man
[14:30] <prateekjain> koi ni
[14:30] <ASUS-tek> am more fo mumbai centric i dont know bout the work aobut side it
[14:30] <prateekjain> IIT-D?
[14:30] <prateekjain> aamchi mumbai
[14:30] <ASUS-tek> wow u in IIT
[14:30] <IppatsuMan> prateekjain, ASUS-tek: this tries to be a technical support channel, please join #ubuntu-offtopic for random chatting. Enjoy you stay ^_^
[14:30] <ASUS-tek> kool
[14:30] <ASUS-tek> super kool man
[14:30] <Pici> or #kubuntu-offtopic
[14:30] <ASUS-tek> nope i wont
[14:31] <ASUS-tek> heheh
[14:31] <ASUS-tek> pici u also student
[14:31] <prateekjain> IppatsuMan: i was waiting for just this warning...when we ask questions noone replies
[14:31] <mohi> how should I change the owner of a partition in linux? (exept home and / )
[14:31] <ASUS-tek> ya man
[14:31] <Pici> ASUS-tek: I am, but this is not a place to discuss that, this is a support channel.
[14:31] <prateekjain> and when we go off the topic..every1
[14:31] <ASUS-tek> all sick ppl here they just never help ppl
[14:31] <prateekjain> ASUS-tek: inko gali deni ho to hindi likh
[14:31] <ASUS-tek> pici is also dont that
[14:32] <ASUS-tek> haha
[14:32] <ASUS-tek> chuu salay
[14:32] <flotishu_> psycodad echo "hello putt muzammal" | smbclient -M 192.168.11.2
[14:32] <flotishu_> [sudo] password for user1:
[14:32] <flotishu_> timeout connecting to 192.168.11.2:139
[14:32] <flotishu_> Error connecting to 192.168.11.2 (Operation already in progress)
[14:32] <flotishu_> Connection to 192.168.11.2 failed. Error NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED
[14:32] <prateekjain> hindi hamari rashtrabhasha hia..in goro ko kya pata
[14:32] <ASUS-tek> prateek jain how u doing in iit
[14:32] <ASUS-tek> hahaha
[14:32] <ASUS-tek> nice man
[14:32] <prateekjain> man!
[14:32] <Pici> !ops | prateekjain ASUS-tek
[14:32] <mohi> !in
[14:32] <prateekjain> i am not in iit
[14:32] <ASUS-tek> lol hope they can read hindi
[14:33] <prateekjain> nop: inko english nahi aati hindi kya bolnge
[14:33] <prateekjain> ubottu: whot is this
[14:33] <psycodad> flotishu_: your linux box probably needs to join the windows domain, also the remote machine must be listening for those messages, a lot of windows boxes have this turned of nowadays. Check if it works from another windows machine first
[14:34] <Helios_> :d
[14:34] <IppatsuMan> ASUS-tek: help is community driven. Just be polite and wait. When someone who knows and has time will read your question, he/she will answer. Flooding the channel with random chat won't help anyone in finding your question.
[14:34] <Helios_> :D
[14:34] <mohi> :S
[14:34] <Pici> PriceChild, jdavies: Thanks
[14:34] <mohi> ty guyz
[14:34] <jdavies> Pici: no problem
[14:35] <Pramod> :)
[14:35] <flotishu_> psycodad its listening
[14:36] <flotishu_> psycodad works for other windows clients
[14:38] <psycodad> flotishu_: maybe check whats in the windows clients log, maybe as said you need to join the machine into the windows domain with 'net join', but I am not 100% sure
[14:38] <flotishu_> ok
[14:39] <gsa> Hi all, i have no sound in my laptop Lenovo 3000 N200 i have Realtek ALC861VD sound card can any one help me pls?
[14:41] <navetz> can someone help me fix my cd/dvd rom drive
[14:41] <navetz> I don't think it is mounted
[14:41] <navetz> but it detects that I have a blank cd in it.
[14:42] <mooling> howdy
[14:42] <mooling> well i am a new be be here with the linux stuff but so far so good ;)
[14:43] <mooling> anyone here at all?
[14:43] <injhgfjkhd> hello, I am now using the newest version of Kubuntu, 8.10 , all is OK, but there is not working sound - when I run alsamixer, it writes alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[14:43] <navetz> what type should a dvd burner be mounted as?
[14:44] <mooling> is there a working DC++ for kubuntu ?
[14:44] <cinex> k3b would mount it ?
[14:44] <cinex> mooling: there is something althoguh i forget its name
[14:44] <cinex> and it was not as nice
[14:44] <mooling> ok that is kewl
[14:44] <tinin> injhgfjkhd 8.10?
[14:44] <tinin> is that released yet?
[14:44] <cinex> youd have to google round for it
[14:44] <mooling> am used to apex on the old xp
[14:45] <mooling> ok yeah i will try to constarin myself with too many questions in the beginning and use the good friend of google
[14:45] <Hobbsee> tinin: is it october, 2008 yet?
[14:45] <injhgfjkhd>  tinin: I dont know -
[14:46] <tinin> Hobbsee I don't think so, but maybe was using injhgfjkhd it :P
[14:46] <genii> injhgfjkhd: If you're in fact using the development version of 8.10 ask in #ubuntu+1 about problems please
[14:46] <Hobbsee> tinin: same answer :)
[14:46] <injhgfjkhd> genii: I downloaded kubuntu-8.04-desktop-i386.iso
[14:46] <Hobbsee> genii: it's unlikely he'd be on irc if he was.. :)
[14:46] <tinin> injhgfjkhd and wich sound card do you have?
[14:47] <genii> injhgfjkhd: Then you have Hardy Heron 8.04
[14:47] <gsa> I have the same problem with realteks sound card
[14:47] <injhgfjkhd> genii:I have a realtek sound card ..
[14:48] <gsa> Realtek ALC861VD
[14:48] <injhgfjkhd> gsa:have you velved it?
[14:48] <injhgfjkhd> gsa:have you solved it?
[14:48] <gsa> IM sorry but whats is "velvet"
[14:48] <tinin> realtek sould just work, just google a bit to see if there are any problems (ALC861VD+ubuntu)
[14:49] <tinin> injhgfjkhd do you know your exact model?
[14:49] <gsa> i have and i tryed some of the solutions i finded on google but it dont work
[14:50] <Tw|sT> ah... gotta love client updates
[14:50] <injhgfjkhd> tinin:I dont know, but in previous Kubuntu it worked fine ...
[14:50] <Tw|sT> g'mornin' everyone
[14:50] <Tw|sT> :)
[14:51] <tinin> injhgfjkhd so it will work in this edition too
[14:51] <tinin> injhgfjkhd have you installed alsa packages?
[14:52] <tinin> alsa-base alsa-utils libasound2 linux-sound-base
[14:52] <injhgfjkhd> tinin: no, I am going to install it
[14:53] <injhgfjkhd> tinin:it is already installed
[14:55] <prateekjain> test
[14:56] <godlyserver> anyone here know about the internet setup in burma? as in are they filtering all traffic?
[14:57] <tinin> injhgfjkhd test it, and check out if the volume is on
[14:57] <tinin> injhgfjkhd I can't help you more
[14:57] <tinin> don't know
[14:58] <injhgfjkhd> tinin:
[14:58] <injhgfjkhd> alsa-base is already the newest version.alsa-utils is already the newest version.libasound2 is already the newest version.linux-sound-base is already the newest version.
[14:59] <ASUS-tek> prateekjain		 mar gaya kya
[15:01] <prateekjain> ASUS-tek:yes
[15:01] <tinin> late
[15:04] <Pramod> wat
[15:04] <Pramod> wat's alsa?
[15:04] <prateekjain> 56] <prateekjain> i have a dual boot box
[15:04] <prateekjain> [Fri May 9 2008] [19:32:06] <prateekjain> kubuntu 7.10 and xpsp2
[15:04] <prateekjain> [Fri May 9 2008] [19:32:34] <prateekjain> my NTFS partitions' have owner as ROOt
[15:04] <prateekjain> [Fri May 9 2008] [19:32:41] <prateekjain> i want to change ot
[15:04] <prateekjain> [Fri May 9 2008] [19:32:43] <prateekjain> it
[15:04] <prateekjain> [Fri May 9 2008] [19:32:47] <prateekjain> how can i do so?
[15:05] <jabba> !paste | prateekjain
[15:05] <prateekjain> oh
[15:05] <prateekjain> sorry
[15:05] <prateekjain> ubottu: thanku my bot
[15:06] <prateekjain> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11113/
[15:06] <jabba> !also | Pramod
[15:06] <jabba> ack
[15:06] <jabba> !alsa | Pramod
[15:06] <tinin> prateekjain try installing and using ntfs-config
[15:06] <prateekjain> how can i do so
[15:06] <Pramod> thanks
[15:07] <jhutchins_wk> Why are we still using Arts?  Will we still have arts, and alsa, and pulseaudio?
[15:07] <tinin> prateekjain do in a konsole: sudo aptitude install ntfs-config
[15:07] <jhutchins_wk> !botsnack
[15:07] <tinin> and then do: ntfs-config
[15:08] <tinin> or sudo ntfs-config if it complains
[15:08] <prateekjain> ok
[15:09] <tinin> injhgfjkhd try kinfoccenter to guess wich is your sound card, it should tell you something in a line that says audio device
[15:09] <prateekjain> tintin: then
[15:09] <tinin> *kinfocenter
[15:09] <prateekjain> i have a dialog box
[15:09] <tinin> prateekjain use it
[15:09] <prateekjain> nop: i have to tick both
[15:09] <prateekjain> ?
[15:09] <tinin> i don't have it on my screen
[15:09] <Pramod> !ntfs | Pramod
[15:09] <prateekjain> ok
[15:10] <prateekjain> i did it now
[15:10] <prateekjain> ?
[15:10] <tinin> prateekjain I don't use ntfs, it is buggish, delete your windows and use ext3 as filesystem :P
[15:11] <tinin> !ntfs
[15:11] <prateekjain> ubottu: thanks bot
[15:12] <genii> hehe
[15:13] <tinin> prateekjainbit should work if you ticked
[15:14] <prateekjain> no no
[15:14] <prateekjain> i wish to know how can i change ownership
[15:14] <tinin> prateekjain so then use the wonderful configuration tools avaliable in kde
[15:14] <tinin> control ccenter
[15:14] <tinin> advanced
[15:15] <tinin> hard drives
[15:15] <tinin> and then you should check if that partition is marked as writeable
[15:15] <genii> The ownership of partitions is assigned to root every boot by the udev subsystem. You can't easily (permanantly) change the ownership of them without messing with udev. Better to make a folder on it and assign that to whichever user is supposed to write there
[15:16] <seeilin> hi
[15:16] <tinin> prateekjain genii is right
[15:16] <prateekjain> genii: but whatif i allraedy have a folder
[15:16] <tinin> make a folder there and do what you want with it
[15:16] <tinin> change the permissions to the folder
[15:17] <genii> prateekjain: Then use chown there to make it owned by who is supposed to write there
[15:17] <tinin> not to the harddrive
[15:18] <prateekjain> genii: i didnt get it
[15:19] <tinin> prateekjain first try the system configuration pannel
[15:19] <tinin> and check if that partition is marked as writeable
[15:20] <tinin> then you could just open konqueror as root (do: sudo konqueror) and modify the permissions of the folder (right click) to your user
[15:21] <tinin> is should be easy
[15:21] <prateekjain> ok
[15:21] <prateekjain> lemme give it a try
[15:22] <Dr_Willis> Its 'best' to learn to do some things from the shell. :)
[15:22] <Dr_Willis> I cheat and use 'mc' as root as a happy in-be-tween
[15:22] <prateekjain> see there are two boxes in bottom...Owner And group
[15:22] <prateekjain> i should set both prateek...right?
[15:23] <tinin> it should work well if you do that
[15:23] <prateekjain> tinin: its not!
[15:24] <tinin> sorry, I don't know more
[15:24] <prateekjain> when i click OK and then see props again...the values are chaged to root
[15:24] <tinin> try to rebbot maybe
[15:24] <prateekjain> hydrogen:
[15:25] <tinin> or use ext3 if you can, so you won't have headaches or need to defragment
[15:25] <prateekjain> tinin: thats wrong..a problem is to be "solved" not "changed"
[15:25] <prateekjain> ok..thank u guyz
[15:25] <hydrogen> Don't be annoying./
[15:25] <mickael_> hi
[15:25]  * Dr_Willis has totally missed the problem.
[15:26] <tinin> there are several ways to do things, if you are not able one way...
[15:26] <tinin> read more about it or just wait for some help
[15:27] <prateekjain> tinin: As in quantum physics..we are bound to slove under some constraints...
[15:27] <prateekjain> solve
[15:33] <wesley> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/228432  why wont they fix kde 4.04
[15:35] <Pramod> KDE 4 is not yet stable...
[15:36] <wesley> Pramod that doesnt mean kubuntu does not have top fix there faults they made ( kde 4 is stable )
[15:36] <tinin> KDE 4.1 svn seems more stable and usable thatn kde4.04
[15:37] <Pramod> and yet got some things missing... :D
[15:37] <wesley> kde 4.1 will be better i know
[15:37] <BonesolTeraDyne> Thus the name KDE "4.0.4"
[15:37] <wesley> yeah kubuntu screwed kde 4.0.4
[15:38] <tinin> It would be great to have test packages for kde4.1 svn the same way amarok2 svn (neon) has
[15:39] <wesley> tinin i know but kde 4.1 is not useable for produvity right now its still in heavy deb
[15:39] <wesley> dev
[15:41] <wesley> about 2 month and a half kde 4.1 will be there
[15:42] <tinin> opensuse has kde 4.1 svn packages avaliable
[15:42] <tinin> they are nice
[15:42] <BizMan2008> hey i just installed a fresh kubuntu 8.04 w/ kde4 ... now a few things are missing that i had before, volume keys dont work.... and no battery meter :(
[15:42] <BizMan2008> any ideas?
[15:43] <tinin> yeah
[15:43] <tinin> use kde 3
[15:43] <tinin> for ther moment
[15:43] <BizMan2008> lol
[15:43] <BizMan2008> the volume keys is not a distro issue
[15:44] <Pramod> it's just a driver issue...
[15:44] <wesley> http://dot.kde.org/1210150521/  they recommend to upgrade to 4.0.4 so kubuntu did mess up with wanting to update Qt 4.3
[15:44] <BizMan2008> it worked in 7.10 w/ kde3
[15:44] <BizMan2008> even when i had kde4 side by side it worked
[15:44] <BizMan2008> same thing with the battery daemon
[15:45] <wesley> KDE 4.0.4 is still based on Qt 4.3 as is the case with the whole KDE 4.0 series. So put on your update shoes and install 4.0.4 today.
[15:45] <BizMan2008> i have 4.0.4 already
[15:45] <BizMan2008> no difference
[15:45] <obvio171> i ran a full-upgrade on kubuntu-kde4-amd64 and now kwin won't start on its own. does anybody know what could be wrong?
[15:45] <wesley> wich distro
[15:45] <wesley> bizman
[15:46] <BizMan2008> kubuntu 8.04
[15:48] <BizMan2008> i dont mind it not being as usable as kde 3.5, but these other things i dont see why they dont work, and again it worked when i had kde 4 side by side with kde 3
[15:49] <wesley> BizMan did you upgrade Qt 4.3
[15:49] <jabba> is there a reason resize2fs was broken out of e2fsadm?
[15:49] <BizMan2008> didnt it do it automatically with the 4.0.4 update?
[15:49] <godlyserver> hmm my mouse keeps frezzing every 5 minutes and cant figure out what causes it ...
[15:49] <Tw|sT> hey, how do you disable the Kubuntu (& Ubuntu) load screens?  I'd like to see all my services, devices and so on as they load.
[15:50] <wesley> yeah and that causing qiut some problems BizMan
[15:50] <BizMan2008> hmm
[15:50] <BizMan2008> so what do i do
[15:53]  * Tw|sT hits google in search of the answer
[15:53] <godlyserver> colour test one
[15:54] <stdin> Tw|sT: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and remove all the instances of "splash"
[15:55] <wesley> stdin when are they going to fix kde 4.0.4 i am sure of i Qt 4.4 is causing those problems
[15:56] <stdin> wesley: maybe if you assigned the bug to the right package then the relevant people would see it, and file a bug upstream
[15:56] <wesley> stdin where should i assigned it to ?
[15:56] <stdin> if you think Qt is the problem, to qt4-x11
[15:57] <stdin> if you think kdelibs is the problem, kde4libs
[15:57] <wesley> its related to kde 4.0.4
[15:57] <wesley> so kde4base or what ?
[15:58] <stdin> I told you the options
 if you think Qt is the problem, to qt4-x11
 if you think kdelibs is the problem, kde4libs
[15:58] <wesley> stdin okay
[15:59] <wesley> so do i need to fil that by project or psckage ?
[15:59] <stdin> they are the packages
[16:01] <wesley> okay i fil it there
[16:04] <eidolon> was requested to move this quesiton over to here, i'll re-paste:
[16:04] <eidolon> so, i ahve a problem / question about adept updater.  I frequently see updates come over - which is just fine.  I click on one of hte packages, select 'details' and click on 'developer changelog' - and most of the time it's empty.  So how do i find out why this update is being installed?  example is today i have an update to foomatic-filters - i don't know what this update is, why i'm installing it, or what changed.
[16:04] <wesley> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/228710  stdin here you have the bug report
[16:04] <stdin> you don't have to post it twice
[16:05] <wesley> thats what you said stdin post it in right
[16:05] <wesley> part of lauchpad
[16:05] <eidolon> well, different channel.  it's always tricky to figure out if a repost is necessary.  i dont know how much crossover ther eis between channels (and, honestly, it' snot my problem if someone is monitoring both channels, and they get 2 copies)
[16:05] <stdin> you created another report, you could have just changed the source package from the original
[16:06] <stdin> but I've marked the other as a dup now
[16:06] <eidolon> anyway - the 'changelog' issue is a Known Issue [tm]?
[16:06] <wesley> i dint know i just could change it
[16:06] <stdin> weedar: see the little arrow by the source package name, you can click that
[16:07] <stdin> wesley: ^
[16:08] <wesley> but i believe thats the problem and it realy needs to fix doesnt look good on kde4 a update with is not as good as 4.0.3
[16:10] <bleaked> how does one configure firefox to associate mimetypes with kde applications?  i don't mind doing it by hand, i just want to be able to open files from the download dialog.  (i really wish gnome and kde could standardize things like this and file pickers..but oh well..)
[16:11] <Tw|sT> stdin: Thanks!
[16:11] <Tw|sT> :)
[16:12] <eagles0513875> any java programmers in here
[16:12] <Tw|sT> yeah, that's mucho better
[16:19] <genii> Hehe "This might void your warranty!" new Firefox warning when you do about:config
[16:19] <genii> oops wrong channel sorry
[16:20] <BluesKaj> well, i already dumped FF :)
[16:20] <BonesolTeraDyne> As did I.
[16:21] <BluesKaj> altho the auto-skip cursor in the google searchbar is still an annoyance
[16:21] <BluesKaj> in konq
[16:21] <navetz> is there a remount command to remount my cdrom drive?
[16:22] <jabba> !mount | navetz
[16:22] <jabba> navetz: see also mount(8)
[16:23] <BluesKaj> I have to state the obvious, navetz , it shows the cdrom as unmounted when there's no media in it
[16:23] <jabba> well then.
[16:24] <BluesKaj> no patience
[16:24] <jabba> BluesKaj: it took longer to start konversation, join, and ask than it did to do "man 8 mount" and then "/remount"
[16:26] <BluesKaj> sometimes jabba , one has to assume that some visitors are newbs , hence telling them to use man pages means nothing to them
[16:26] <jabba> BluesKaj: which is why i pulled the factoid.
[16:27] <BluesKaj> factoids are bit too technical sometimes
[16:27] <jabba> BluesKaj: googling for remount+cdrom+kubuntu also provides meaninful data.
[16:28] <jabba> i do understand benefit-of-the-doubt, but at some point users do have to help themselves, too.
[16:28] <BluesKaj> meaningful data is what to a newb :)
[16:30] <TheFuzzball> Hi, I am looking for Qt 4.4 packages for Kubuntu, does anyone know a source?
[16:31] <ASUS-tek> nope
[16:32] <Jucato> TheFuzzball: enable hardy-backports
[16:33] <m0nkfish> hi
[16:33] <TheFuzzball> Jucato, I have hardy backports
[16:34] <Jucato> just update then? it should be there according to http://www.kdedevelopers.org/blog/57
[16:35] <TheFuzzball> Jucato, that says Neon has them, but that is of no use to me
[16:35] <Jucato> TheFuzzball: see first sentence
[16:35] <TheFuzzball> Jucato, "entering" they are not there
[16:36] <TheFuzzball> and I need to compile KDE 4.1 trunk
[16:36] <Jucato> maybe wait for a bit? (or you can always compile)
[16:38] <TheFuzzball> I am using an old computer and It takes ages to compile Qt
[16:39] <Jucato> according to http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy-backports/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz it should already be in hardy-backports. did you apt-get update first before checking?
[16:39] <TheFuzzball> yea
[16:39] <TheFuzzball> I'll doublecheck
[16:40] <TheFuzzball> I think I know what my problem is...
[16:40] <Jucato> if you're using a mirror, maybe it hasn't hit yet
[16:40] <Jucato> what?
[16:41] <TheFuzzball> ...I installed Qt 4.4 RC and that is stopping me from getting 4.4 from backports
[16:41] <TheFuzzball> I would have thought it would detect a newer version though
[16:41] <Jucato> maybe...
[16:43] <heirrook> when I start kde I get an error "KDEinit could not launch x" x = any application. it seems to be when switching between plugged in power and battery power is when this occurs.  any help appreciated
[16:43] <heirrook> this error is when I try to start any application by the way
[16:44] <m0nkfish> i have a pretty simple question i think
[16:44] <m0nkfish> how do i change the type of indentation in kate?
[16:45] <m0nkfish> cause it uses tabs at the moment (afaik) and i would prefer just a doublespace
[16:45] <fkeaz> how do i tell firefox to use kmail rather than 'evolution' ?
[16:46] <heirrook> fkeaz: Do you mean when you start a new email or open one that it opens with evolution?
[16:46] <fkeaz> heirrook: for mailto: links
[16:47] <Jucato> m0nkfish: Settings -> Configure Kate -> Editing and Indentation options
[16:48] <heirrook> fkeaz:  I believe that is going to be to just set your default email client in kde
[16:48] <Wise-Guy> can i ask for help enabling my DVD drive, resetting my screen resolution, and changing my keyboard configuration setupÉ
[16:48] <m0nkfish> awesome thanks jucato
[16:48] <berkes> I am evaluating kdevelop as an IDE; Always used Kate and/or quanta for my ruby on rails and PHP work, but....
[16:49] <Wise-Guy> É is a question mark
[16:49] <berkes> ..somehow kdevelop get extremely slow, eating 100% CPU at times. I have a feeling that it is trying to update the structure-view or so. Is this a known issue?
[16:49] <Jucato> berkes: the good news is that kdevelop uses katepart, so you still have almost everything you love about kate in it
[16:50] <Jucato> there's a #kdevelop channel too
[16:50] <guilhermeblanco> zubin: you there?
[16:50] <berkes> and if so, how can i fix this? Should I disable some plugin?
[16:50] <heirrook> wise-guy:  either edit xorg.conf or go to control settings from kmenu
[16:50] <Wise-Guy> heirrook, i dont know how to edit or what xorg.conf is
[16:50] <berkes> Jucato: thans, will look there. And yea, I know it uses katepart. Its what I luuuuve about KDE: anything you use feels familiar :)
[16:50] <Wise-Guy> when i go to the control settings and see the DVD drive, it says disabled
[16:51] <Wise-Guy> one of the settings is wrong, i don know what to change it to
[16:51] <heirrook> for the keyboard conf and display you should probably use control center from kmenu
[16:51] <guilhermeblanco> For the interested of video mantainers... The current pre-release video packages update fixed the DVD playback in my environment.
[16:52] <Wise-Guy> i dont see a control center, i see system settings tho
[16:53] <heirrook> oh, sorry I believe it is their then for the keyboard and resolution.  what is the problem with your dvd drive?
[16:54] <Wise-Guy> heirrook, it says in the system settings that it disabled
[16:54] <heirrook> do you have the right driver for it?
[16:54] <Wise-Guy> i dont know how to enable it
[16:54] <Wise-Guy> heirrook, i used it to install the burned DVD of Hardy Heron
[16:54] <Wise-Guy> but now it wont read anything
[16:54] <Wise-Guy> i suspect i screwed something up in the settings
[16:55] <Wise-Guy> somehow
[16:55] <Wise-Guy> i picked that version because it advertized itself as easy for people who dont know what theyre doing
[16:56] <Wise-Guy> that me in spade
[16:56] <Wise-Guy> s
[16:57] <khaije1> is there an ekiga equivalent for kde?
[16:57] <khaije1> looking for a good webcam app
[17:00] <heirrook> wise-guy:  what brand of drive is it?
[17:03] <Wise-Guy> it says in the system page that its BurnerDVDRAM_GSA=H10N
[17:03] <Wise-Guy> if that helps
[17:04] <Wise-Guy> that =should be a -
[17:05] <heirrook> have you used dmesg before?
[17:05] <Wise-Guy> heirrook, no, i dont know what it is
[17:05] <yurimxpxman> k9copy keeps crashing when I try to add a video file to create a DVD. Any ideas?
[17:05] <heirrook> type the command and look through it for errors with dvd device
[17:06] <Wise-Guy> ok
[17:06] <The_ManU_212> hi
[17:06] <The_ManU_212> bug in audacity hardy heron 8.04
[17:07] <Wise-Guy> ok, that made it say a whole lot of things, none of which i understand
[17:07] <The_ManU_212> disabled selection of input devices, this is becasue of a wrong compilation with portaudio v19 i read
[17:07] <The_ManU_212> some one has experience
[17:07] <The_ManU_212> i use a perfectly recognized realtek ac 97 soundchip older audacity versions work
[17:07] <The_ManU_212> and why uses ubuntu beta versions?
[17:08] <heirrook> what is your drive labeled?  type dmesg | grep "drive label here" or type dmesg | grep dvd
[17:08] <heirrook> see if that has anything
[17:09] <Wise-Guy> heirrook, http://paste.ubuntu.com/11137/
[17:09] <Wise-Guy> that what it said to the last dmesg thing
[17:09] <p_quarles> anyone recall which file the KDE file associations are stored in?
[17:10] <weswh-> you know what is disappointing...after all these years and all of these new fancy graphics cards etc...i've still never seen a better visualization for an audio player than "Milkdrop" for Winamp back in like 98/99
[17:11] <weswh-> the stuff that comes with amarok is so cheesey. maybe even worse than windows media player...the one thing i like in amarok is the little bouncing "balls" you can get in the small window
[17:11] <weswh-> but, not full screen
[17:11] <weswh-> i want something that does 1680x1050 and looks freakin smooth and awesome
[17:11] <Wise-Guy> heirrook, that gave a much shorter answer, should i post it here or at the other place like the long answerÉ
[17:13] <haemogoblin> hey there can any tell if there are better drivers for the ATI rage 128
[17:13] <heirrook> no I got the full one that is fine.  do you have just one drive other than your harddrive?
[17:13] <haemogoblin> i'm currently just using what kubuntu came with
[17:13] <Wise-Guy> heirrook, yes
[17:14] <yurimxpxman> k9copy keeps crashing in DVD Author mode. Any ideas?
[17:14] <heirrook> it looks like you have a newer computer right?  what version of kubuntu are you using?
[17:14] <haemogoblin> me?
[17:14] <heirrook> sorry wise-guy:
[17:14] <haemogoblin> okies
[17:14] <BluesKaj> yurimxpxman, libdvdcss2 installed
[17:14] <BluesKaj> ?
[17:14] <Wise-Guy> i have a semi new Lenovo computer, and Hardy Heron 8.04
[17:15] <Wise-Guy> i think
[17:15] <yurimxpxman> BluesKaj: yes, it is. I'm not trying to rip a DVD.. I'm trying to create one with the new version
[17:16] <heirrook> have you tried any other version where is works?
[17:16] <Wise-Guy> i was using dapper drake for years, but not on this comp
[17:19] <BluesKaj> yes yurimxpxman, but k9copy is just a different way of setting up authoring and burning, it still uses the K3B burner engine
[17:21] <yurimxpxman> BluesKaj: It doesn't give me any error messages. The stdout just says it crashed. Any ideas? :(
[17:21] <heirrook> wise-guy: where does it show that the drive is disabled?  I am not running kubuntu on this computer so I am having trouble remembering where that would be
[17:21] <yurimxpxman> BluesKaj: the only info I get is that it caused signal 11
[17:22] <Wise-Guy> system controls, advanced , disk and file systems
[17:23] <tzanger> good afternoon
[17:23] <BluesKaj> ok yurimxpxman, do you have all the medibuntu repository codecs installed , just in case the codec is breaking k9copy
[17:23] <Wise-Guy> then advanced, and administrator mode
[17:24] <tzanger> I'm fighting with the session manager...  Every time I log in to kdm, kmail starts.  I don't have anything in .kde/Autostart, and apparently my session is empty.. where else may this be hinding?
[17:24] <BluesKaj> yurimxpxman, and k9copy isn't the most stable of apps in my experience
[17:24] <Wise-Guy> ok, i got another idea
[17:24] <Wise-Guy> bbl
[17:24] <wirechief-intel> BluesKaj: imgburn works nice for burning
[17:25] <wirechief-intel> BluesKaj: it checks md5 on the fly
[17:27] <BluesKaj> wirechief-intel, imgburn in linux ? ..I have it on the xp partition ..had no idea there was a linux version
[17:28] <wirechief-intel> BluesKaj: it runs under wine
[17:28] <francesco> !it
[17:28] <wirechief-intel> BluesKaj: i found out about 2 months ago, kano the developer of kanotix told me about it.
[17:29] <BluesKaj> I'm not having trouble wirechief-intel , it's yurimxpxman ...his K9copy is buggy , keeps crashing with signal11 .not good
[17:29] <wirechief-intel> BluesKaj: oh, well missed that in the conversation, just was making noise
[17:29] <BluesKaj> K3B works fine for me
[17:30] <wirechief-intel> BluesKaj: K3B does not work fine for me, its verify fails
[17:31] <wirechief-intel> BluesKaj: K3B verify gives me a track 1 error but if i check the media there is nothing wrong.
[17:31] <wirechief-intel> BluesKaj: I sent them a bug report.
[17:32] <wirechief-intel> BluesKaj: it mess's up on all three computers of different brands.
[17:33] <wirechief-intel> BluesKaj: but with the imgburn you have to make a setting in devices otherwise your writer is not recognized.
[17:34] <wirechief-intel> yurimxpmxman have you ever tried imgburn ? it runs in windows and with wine in linux
[17:35] <BluesKaj> hmm, I wonder if it has to do with libk3b2..there were some bugs
[17:36] <wirechief-intel> BluesKaj: well i would have to check but i think the oldversion of k3b worked fine
[17:38] <BluesKaj> strange tho wirechief-intel , i haven't heard of many probs with k3b , usually it's due to missing codecs etc
[17:38] <wirechief-intel> BluesKaj: may have to try that, put a old version of sidux or even knoppix on the desktop and see if i can burn kbuntu 8.04 on it.
[17:38] <guilhermeblanco> BluesKaj: do you remember my DVD playback issue of 3 days ago?
[17:38] <wirechief-intel> BluesKaj: well when it comes to media checking i watch very close.
[17:39] <BluesKaj> a lot of ppl are missing ffmpeg
[17:39] <guilhermeblanco> BluesKaj: I reinstalled the OS, updated everything and it continued the same bug. Around 12h ago were released some pre-release packages that fixed my issue
[17:39] <wirechief-intel> BluesKaj: easy enough to get though.
[17:39] <BluesKaj> guilhermeblanco, uhhm sort of ..did you solve it ?
[17:40] <guilhermeblanco> BluesKaj: I reinstalled the OS, updated everything and it continued the same bug. Around 12h ago were released some pre-release packages that fixed my issue
[17:40] <BluesKaj> yes i got that
[17:40] <BluesKaj> pre-release packages ?
[17:41] <BluesKaj> or updates ?
[17:41] <guilhermeblanco> yes... pre-released updates
[17:41] <wirechief-intel> if i ever reinstall i will have to make a copy of the ati script that was hanging me up
[17:49] <BluesKaj> almost a contradiction in terms ..pre-released updates :)
[17:50] <Neo_The_User> Hello!
[17:50] <BluesKaj> post release updates I can understand
[17:50] <Neo_The_User> Will there be Kubuntu 8.10? if so, will it have LTS?
[17:50] <Jucato> BluesKaj: updates from the pre-release (ubuntu+1) base
[17:50] <guilhermeblanco> BluesKaj: yeah... but I do not care... as long as it works... =P
[17:50] <Jucato> it's not pre-released (past tense) though
[17:50] <BluesKaj> right guilhermeblanco , exactly :)
[17:51] <talavis> i am unable to compile qt4 applications since i updated to the 4.4 packages, any ideas what to do?
[17:51] <Neo_The_User> I am thinking about witching from Ubuntu 8.04 (gnome) to Kubuntu only if there will be a Kubuntu version 9
[17:51] <Jucato> talavis: what errors are you receiving? check if you're using the correct version of Qt (qmake -v)
[17:52] <Jucato> Neo_The_User: why wouldn't there be?
[17:52] <Neo_The_User> Until Kubuntu 9.04 I am staying with Ubuntu 8.04
[17:52] <Jucato> that's still next year though
[17:52] <Jucato> 8.10 comes first
[17:52] <Neo_The_User> Jucato, is kubuntu popular?
[17:52] <Jucato> One of the most popular KDE-centric distros, I'd say
[17:52] <talavis> jucato:thanks, gotta change that symlink
[17:53] <Neo_The_User> is Kubuntu made up of highly eperianced developors?
[17:53] <Jucato> talavis: I think /etc/alternatives would take care of that
[17:53] <Tw|sT> I second that.  Locally, it's the most popular distro (Little Rock, AR)
[17:53]  * Jucato is not really sure what Neo_The_User is trying to say
[17:53] <Neo_The_User> im trying to find out if there will be Kubuntu 9.04
[17:53] <Neo_The_User> like next year
[17:54] <francesco> !it
[17:54] <Jucato> Neo_The_User: of course there will be. why wouldn't it?
[17:54] <BonesolTeraDyne> Neo_The_User: 8.10 is next, then 9.04, 9.10, and so on
[17:54] <Neo_The_User> are you sure?
[17:54] <BonesolTeraDyne> yes. why?
[17:54] <Tw|sT> yeah... based on their history so far, that would make sense
[17:54] <Neo_The_User> oh thank god! KUBUNTU 9.04!
[17:54] <Jucato> ...
[17:55] <Neo_The_User> I want KDE 4 remix fully stable. thats why
[17:55] <BonesolTeraDyne> ...
[17:55] <BonesolTeraDyne> ah
[17:55] <talavis> jucato: thanks again, works fine now
[17:55] <Neo_The_User> otherwise i am staying with ubuntu 8.04 because it is stable
[17:55] <Jucato> talavis: no problem. it's a common error :)
[17:55] <guilhermeblanco> Neo_The_User: afaik, 8.10 will have KDE4 by defult
[17:55] <Tw|sT> I see.  Yeah, by next year KDE4 should be stable
[17:55] <Neo_The_User> I want stable yet highly attractive graphics
[17:55] <guilhermeblanco> *default
[17:55] <Jucato> Neo_The_User: that doesn't depend on Kubuntu at all, but on KDE
[17:55] <Tw|sT> yeah, totally
[17:56] <Neo_The_User> I just want Kubuntu to be highly attractive while very stable
[17:56] <Neo_The_User> thats why I am waiting
[17:56] <Jucato> what Kubuntu will be able to ship totally depends on what KDE releases. but by 9.04, KDE 4.2 would have been out anyway
[17:56] <Neo_The_User> Jucato, do you use Kubuntu 8.04?
[17:56] <fgh> I'm booted into a Kubuntu LiveCD right now, and I'm trying to use amarok to play music on the network and it's not working. "No suitable input plugin. This often means that the url's protocol is not supported." Is something setup wrong by default or is http, ftp actually not supported?
[17:56] <Jucato> on my laptop
[17:56] <Tw|sT> I think I see where your going with this... so that the whole distro is simply solid... solid enough to start pushing it onto formerly Windows only users.
[17:57] <Neo_The_User> Do the majority of people in this channel use the remix or hardy or dapper????????????????????
[17:57] <Pennycook> Neo_The_User: If attractiveness is all you're looking for, couldn't you install Kubuntu 8.04 (with KDE 3.5.9), install Compiz (for desktop effects) and then skin it?
[17:57]  * Tw|sT uses 8.04 on 1 system, and 7.10-x64 on another
[17:57] <Jucato> Neo_The_User: Kubuntu 8.04 comes with both KDE 3.5.9 and KDE 4.0.3. if you need stability, you can use KDE 3.5.9
[17:57] <Neo_The_User> Pennycook, doesn't KDE 4.0 have more graphics than  3.5?
[17:57] <CrunchyFerrett> whats the command to release a locked package database?
[17:57] <Pennycook> What do you mean by "more graphics"? o_O
[17:58] <Neo_The_User> I know Jucato.
[17:58] <Neo_The_User> PennyCook, i mean more desktop effects.
[17:58] <Jucato> !aptfix | CrunchyFerrett
[17:58] <Neo_The_User> like colors and shit
[17:58] <Pennycook> Actually, no. Compiz has far more.
[17:58] <Neo_The_User> does Ubuntu 8.04 have compiz?
[17:58] <fgh> Neo, with all due respect, are you just lonely?
[17:58] <Tw|sT> yes
[17:58] <Pennycook> Afaik you can install it on whatever.
[17:58] <Neo_The_User> can i install it via synaptic?
[17:58] <Tw|sT> yes
[17:59] <Neo_The_User> cool. i'll go download it
[17:59] <Tw|sT> do a synaptic search for compiz
[17:59] <Neo_The_User> thats guys
[17:59] <Tw|sT> :)
[17:59]  * Tw|sT bows, humbly
[17:59] <Neo_The_User> *thanks
[18:00] <Neo_The_User> installing now
[18:00] <Neo_The_User> hey guys, is KDE 4.0 stable at all?
[18:01] <Jucato> stable? yes. complete? no. finished? absolutely not.
[18:01] <Neo_The_User> when is the next LTS Kubuntu version?
[18:01] <Jucato> no one except Canonical knows
[18:01] <Pennycook> The only criticism I have of KDE4 is that some things aren't as simple as they should be (yet). The sudo path is a bit funny, for example.
[18:01] <Neo_The_User> Can i speak with him?
[18:01] <CrunchyFerrett> well lets find him and beat the answer out of him
[18:01] <Tw|sT> I'd have to agree with Jucato there.  It's stable, but it needs a lot of work to really make it seem complete.
[18:01] <Jucato> Neo_The_User: Canonical is a company
[18:02] <Neo_The_User> ohhhhhhhhhhhh.
[18:02] <Tw|sT> I've used it here, and personally, I still prefer KDE 3.5
[18:02] <Jucato> !canonical | Neo_The_User
[18:02] <Neo_The_User> how can i contact them?
[18:02] <Tw|sT> but then again, I prefer stability over flashy
[18:02] <Neo_The_User> i love flashy and stability. what should i do?
[18:02] <jdavies> Neo_The_User: see the website
[18:02] <Tw|sT> yup
[18:03] <Jucato> what do you need to contact them for?
[18:03] <Neo_The_User> I need to ask when the next LTS IS
[18:03] <Neo_The_User> is
[18:04] <Tw|sT> It'll probably be like last around, and be a 10.x build.  The last LTS before 8.04 was dapper.
[18:04] <fildo> n while ur there ask them to hurry up cause u need it personally to be stable
[18:04] <Pennycook> Neo_The_User: Kubuntu 8.04 is supported until October 2009, which is exactly when Dapper is supported until. So I'd imagine... then?
[18:04] <fildo> n see what reply u get
[18:04] <Neo_The_User> 9.04 i hope will be LTS
[18:04] <Jucato> no
[18:04] <Neo_The_User> there is no contact us
[18:04] <Tw|sT> I doubt it will be since 7.04 wasn't
[18:05] <fgh> I'm booted into a Kubuntu LiveCD right now, and I'm trying to use amarok to play music on the network and it's not working. "No suitable input plugin. This often means that the url's protocol is not supported." Is something setup wrong by default or is http, ftp actually not supported? I've asked in #amarok and it appears nobody's active there.
[18:05] <fgh> I'm having difficulty getting information online except "might be bugs in xine" which, c'mon... kubuntu ships with this? Seems it would be something a work-around exists for but I guess anything's possible.
[18:05] <Jucato> they will announce it when they've decided.
[18:05] <Neo_The_User> 9.10 be LTS?
[18:05] <Jucato> !lts | Neo_The_User
[18:05] <Neo_The_User> i know ubottu! STFU
[18:05] <stdin> !stfu | Neo_The_User
[18:05] <Jucato> !language | Neo_The_User
[18:05] <Neo_The_User> ubottu shut up
[18:05] <fildo> i find that fiesty is the most reliable and stable version in kubuntu for me
[18:06]  * fgh sets ignore Neo_The_User a while ago
[18:06] <stdin> as I like to say, if you can't say anything nice, get muted :)
[18:06] <Tw|sT> what a jerk!  What was with those questions?  Is he just retarded?
[18:06] <fildo> lol
[18:07] <fgh> As I said earlier, "Neo, with all due respect, are you just lonely?"
[18:07] <Tw|sT> I mean, I like to be helpful... by man!
[18:07] <Tw|sT> lol
[18:07] <fildo> hehe
[18:07] <fildo> some people ask the mod ridiclous questions
[18:07] <fildo> mod = most
[18:08] <stdin> so, back on topic....
[18:08] <Tw|sT> yeah
[18:08] <Tw|sT> for real
[18:08] <fgh> seriously, does amarok work for others?
[18:08] <fildo> fgh: yes
[18:08] <Tw|sT> that d00d just needs to go hit google for a while, and ask his questions to it
[18:08] <fgh> (consider glancing at my above posts)
[18:08] <fgh> lol, twist, tw|st, that visual gives new meaning to "google is your friend"
[18:09] <Tw|sT> I've never used it, personally.  I guess I'm kinda ole' skool about that though... I still prefer xmms
[18:09] <Tw|sT> yup
[18:09] <Tw|sT> heh
[18:09] <fgh> well, it's prominently featured on the kubuntu livecd all over
[18:09] <fgh> and, it seems highly unstable or misconfigured.. i don't know which
[18:10] <fgh> so i'm partially looking for a sanity check that others have issues, and partially (mostly) looking if solutions exist
[18:10] <fildo> fgh what media u trying to play ? . also dose sound work in gerneal ?
[18:10] <fgh> I'm booted into a Kubuntu LiveCD right now, and I'm trying to use amarok to play music on the network and it's not working. "No suitable input plugin. This often means that the url's protocol is not supported." Is something setup wrong by default or is http, ftp actually not supported? I've asked in #amarok and it appears nobody's active there.
[18:10] <fgh> I'm having difficulty getting information online except "might be bugs in xine" which, c'mon... kubuntu ships with this? Seems it would be something a work-around exists for but I guess anything's possible.
[18:11] <fgh> also, audio has crashed and started soundy odd a few times, but rebooting the livecd gets it to work (listening to Kohina [Computer Music] atm)
[18:11] <fgh> but that's probably another issue.. just seems things are really ultra half baked so i'm a tad worried about kubuntu's state
[18:12] <fgh> so looking if solutions exist prior to install etc
[18:13] <fildo> yeah there would be
[18:13] <fildo> i have no issues with amarok
[18:13] <tzanger> I'm fighting with the session manager...  Every time I log in to kdm, kmail starts.  I don't have anything in .kde/Autostart, and apparently my session is empty.. where else may this be hinding?
[18:14] <Jucato> tzanger: how are you checking that your session is empty?
[18:14] <tzanger> in kcontrol, login is set to "start with an empty session"
[18:14] <Jucato> this is KDE 3?
[18:14] <tzanger> Jucato: yes 3.5.9 I think
[18:15] <Jucato> some places for you to double check if there are any kmail related files: /usr/share/autostart/, ~/.kde/share/config/session/, ~/.config/autostart/
[18:17] <tzanger> nothing in ~/.kde/share/config/session, ~/.config/autostart does not exist, and nothing kontact/kmail related in /usr/share/autostart (but there are things in there)
[18:19] <Jucato> hmm...
[18:19] <tzanger> Jucato: my thoughts exactly :-)
[18:20]  * Jucato is unfortunately out of ideas
[18:20] <Jucato> hm.. how about ~/.kde/env/ ?
[18:20] <Jucato> and when did this start happening?
[18:20] <tzanger> Jucato: you don't happen to know where KDE "resets" the display parameters (gamma, multiscreen placement, etc.)  do you?
[18:20] <tzanger> Jucato: this has been going on forever, I just am finally determined enough to stop it :-)
[18:20] <Jucato> weird... really weird...
[18:21] <tzanger> nothing in .kde/env either
[18:21] <Jucato> re: display, not sure. Kubuntu uses kde-guidance so I don't know what it does
[18:21] <tzanger> Jucato: I'm grepping for kontact right now
[18:21] <peter_> for those who are intrested here's a kubuntu avatar I made, http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x235/PETER_BZFlag/145389961448238f1c9b4a4.png
[18:22] <tzanger> ahh okay kde-guidance I'll look for then.  I am trying to get my montiros to be one above the other (I can do it with xrandr easily) but kdm and my kde login keep putting it back to clone mode
[18:23] <axel> Hello! I got a question about HDD-usage. The /home-directories are on a separate partition with about 55GB. Analyzing the disk usage with the graphical disk map it sais that 22 GB are in use. but wehn consulting Konqueror it sais that there are about 3 gb free. How to explain this?
[18:23] <fgh> tzanger, i had teh same problem
[18:23] <tzanger> fgh: did you resolve it?
[18:23] <tzanger> I'm just about ot put a damned xrandr line in one of the startup files :-)
[18:24] <araizen> after having downloaded a source package with apt-get, where can i find the source files?
[18:24] <fgh> tzanger: no, i gave up
[18:24] <fgh> ;)
[18:26] <wirechief-intel> BluesKaj: well i just tried the imgburn and it doesnt detect a aspi.dll the setting is in under tools>settings>io but none seemed to work, darn, it worked before.
[18:26] <Jucato> araizen: in the directory where you ran apt-get source
[18:28] <araizen> Jucato: thanks
[18:29] <BluesKaj> wirechief-intel, try k3B , see what happens
[18:29] <tzanger> Jucato: hmm, I don't see anything with kdeguidance in the name on my system.  there is a guidance-power-manager but that's it
[18:29] <Jucato> how about displayconfig?
[18:30] <Jucato> well maybe it edits some other file that's not named after the program. sorry I don't know what :)
[18:30] <tzanger> ooh there are a few of those :-)
[18:30] <tzanger> yes, I think that's it
[18:30] <tzanger> .kde/share/config/displayguidancerc
[18:31] <tzanger> I don't know the file format just yet but this is it, thank you
[18:33]  * NibiruET is away: Gone away for now.
[18:34] <igor__> hey folks
[18:34] <igor__> I have problem with Kradio
[18:35] <igor__> can you help me?
[18:37] <The_ManU_212> hi
[18:37] <The_ManU_212> i isnatlled a new system on a partition and now fsck fails with error code 8
[18:37] <The_ManU_212> what to do?
[18:39] <tzanger> hmm I can't find what *parses* displayconfigrc so I can tell how to tell it to put one monitor on top of the other :-)
[18:39] <DarkShinigami> How do I create a PDF from images?
[18:40] <axel> DarkShinigami: What's the format of the image?
[18:40] <DarkShinigami> jpg
[18:42] <ronan> hi
[18:42] <nosrednaekim> hello ronan
[18:42] <ronan> im having problems with kubuntu wireless networking
[18:42] <DarkShinigami> axel: I want to put 3 jpg images into 3 pages of a PDF
[18:42] <ronan> im currently using ethernet to talk
[18:43] <ronan> my card was picked up with ordinary ubuntu
[18:43] <axel> DarkShinigami: I don't know the direct way, but perhaps you could try this: Open it with Gwenview and print it after you adjusted the paper format.
[18:43] <ronan> the gnome 1
[18:44] <axel> DarkShinigami: Or open it with OO.o Draw, adjust the page size and export it to PDF.
[18:44] <axel> DarkShinigami: I Know, it's not the best way but a way that works.
[18:45] <DarkShinigami> Thanks axel. I will try now
[18:49] <DarkShinigami> Thank you axel. It worked. :)
[18:49] <DarkShinigami> FYI: OO.o Drawing --> PDF
[18:50] <axel> DarkShinigami: Your're welcome.
[18:52] <Mimi> *cricket*
[18:54] <tzanger> aha!
[18:55] <tzanger> /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ has a link to /usr/bin/displayconfig-restore
[18:55] <tzanger> and displayconfig-restore tells me how to parse the file, although unfortunately there does not appear to be a way to position screens with it!
[18:56] <Nyad> Hi. has anyone else here had sever performance issues with kaffeine on hardy? like when I open a movie it takes literally a whole second or more to open it for the first time, but if kaffeine is already open its a bit faster but still _much_ slower than gutsy
[18:56] <ansie> Hi, colleagues!
[18:56] <nosrednaekim> server?
[18:57] <nosrednaekim> hello ansie
[18:58] <Nyad> Desktop edition
[18:58] <ansie> I'm tryoing to make dial-up gprs connection, and I cannot understand why list of dial-up connections in knetworkmanager is empty. kubuntu 8.04 x86
[18:58] <ansie> I found two ways to add ppp. But anyway it's empt.
[18:59] <ansie> 1. I added from knetworkmanager -> properties -> configure
[19:00] <ansie> 2. I added from Alt+F2 kppp
[19:00] <Nyad> Hi. has anyone else here had sever performance issues with kaffeine on hardy? like when I open a movie it takes literally a whole second or more to open it for the first time, but if kaffeine is already open its a bit faster but still _much_ slower than gutsy
[19:01] <L0stadm1n> hey everyone
[19:01] <scrubb2000> HALP!  I upgraded to 8.04 and networking and compiz somehow got broken.
[19:01] <ansie> All settings was stored in the same file. But any way list is empty. It'll be more suitable to check connection from the list.
[19:02] <L0stadm1n> Im trying to install a driver for my video card but it only comes in .rpm soo i downloaded rpm with apt and it is telling me i am missing dependencies.
[19:02] <scrubb2000> Could someone please help me restore networking?
[19:04] <antonio__> hello
[19:05] <antonio__> alguien de mèxico?
[19:06] <CrunchyFerrett> God I love my job.
[19:07] <Mimi> !es | antonio__
[19:08] <antonio__> thanks
[19:08] <Mimi> :)
[19:08] <scrubb2000> Anybody out there who wouldn't mind helping me with networking in hardy?
[19:09] <JoshOvki> scrubb2000: wat appears to be the problem?
[19:09] <scrubb2000> joshovki: I upgraded to hardy and networking somehow got broken.  I'm in XP ATM because I can't access the network in linux.
[19:09] <JoshOvki> scrubb2000: wireless or wired?
[19:09] <scrubb2000> wired
[19:10] <scrubb2000> netgear router, DHCP
[19:10] <JoshOvki> scrubb2000: ok, you using knetworkmanager to connect?
[19:11] <scrubb2000> It's running when KDE comes up.
[19:11] <JoshOvki> scrubb2000: or was it more of a case you plugged it in and it just worked?
[19:11] <scrubb2000> I haven't tried unplugging the cable yet.
[19:11] <BizMan2008> hey guys i just installed kubuntu 8.04 w kde4 clean.... i have a few issues, one being i do not have a battery monitor/indicator in the panel... i know there is a widget, but i dont like it? any ideas why its missing
[19:11] <BizMan2008> came standard in 3.5, and when i had 4.0 running along side it, it was there as well
[19:12] <JoshOvki> scrubb2000: ok, the first thing i would do is identify the name of the interface will be something like eth0  and run   sudo ifconfig eth0 up   if that doesnt work, i would run ifconfig and see what details are shown
[19:12] <scrubb2000> joshovki: is there anything else I should do while I'm at it?  I have to reboot in order to try anything...
[19:13] <JoshOvki> scrubb2000: write down what the output of ifconfig is. Ummm otherthing to try is to empty out /etc/network/interfaces
[19:14] <scrubb2000> joshovki: any log files or whatnot I should save so I can pastebin them here if I don't understand the output?
[19:14] <JoshOvki> scrubb2000: and when you have a wired connection, you can right click on the knetworkmanager and select it
[19:14] <JoshOvki> scrubb2000: just the output on ifconfig   and possibly the content of /etc/network/interfaces  if you are unsure what to delete
[19:15] <scrubb2000> joshovki: are you going to be around for a little while so I can try this and come back if necessary?
[19:15] <BizMan2008> also, my internal and external wireless cards, work (once restricted drivers came into play), but they do not have devices names, they say Unknown wlan1, Unknown wlan2? it used to detect them? Any ideas?
[19:15] <JoshOvki> scrubb2000: yeh i should be here for a bit
[19:16] <JoshOvki> no plans on going out tonight
[19:16] <scrubb2000> joshovki: k thanks.  I'll be back soon.
[19:17] <JoshOvki> BizMan2008: the power guidance manager hasnt been ported to kde4 yet
[19:17] <CrunchyFerrett> I get to tell this woman that her kid dumped 2oz of maple syrup directly onto her the power block of the mainboard.
[19:17] <CrunchyFerrett> She will be most displeases
[19:18] <BizMan2008> JoshOvki: so the one that showed before when i had both kde's, was most liekly the one from kde 3, in kde4?
[19:18] <JoshOvki> yeh
[19:18] <BizMan2008> JoshOvki: when it does get ported, will it automatically install if i have kde4-utilities installed?
[19:18] <alaskan> Greets, everyone...
[19:19] <JoshOvki> BizMan2008: im not sure what the time scale is for it, when asking stdin (the guy with all the kde4 answers) it sounded like it was going to be a while
[19:19] <JoshOvki> BizMan2008: you can install it manualy but will have problems getting it to start automagicaly
[19:19] <CrunchyFerrett> stdin is the greatest
[19:20] <alaskan> Anyone know how to open a GUI app on a remote host's display so it will stay open after the ssh session's been closed?
[19:20] <JoshOvki> CrunchyFerrett: i had a teacher once saw off the corner of there motherboard to fit inside there computer case
[19:20] <BizMan2008> can i instlal the kde3 one?, if so what is it kalled, batterydaemon or something to that effect?
[19:21] <neville_> kpowersave?
[19:21] <CrunchyFerrett> JoshOvki: I.. um... he did WHAT?
[19:21] <alaskan> Doesn't look like kpowersave's been ported yet.
[19:22] <JoshOvki> BizMan2008: kde-guidance-powermanager
[19:22] <alaskan> Oh, the kde3 one. Yeah, kpowersave... Just waking up
[19:22] <alaskan> guidance sucks :-\
[19:22] <CrunchyFerrett> is ubuntu ever planning to get a pipe upgrade? This 76k/s stuff is killing me
[19:22] <JoshOvki> CrunchyFerrett: hack sawed off the corner of there MOBO, kinda stupid of them, needless to say it didnt work
[19:22] <alaskan> CrunchyFerrett: ++1
[19:22] <JoshOvki> alaskan: works great here
[19:22] <BizMan2008> JoshOvki: ok great, now how will the package upgrading work when kde4 instances are released? will the old kde3 ones be automatically uninstalled?
[19:23] <alaskan> JoshOvki: not enough options for me. :-)
[19:23] <CrunchyFerrett> alaskan: I dont understand.
[19:23] <CrunchyFerrett> JoshOvki: I assume you immediately thwacked him on the head.
[19:23] <alaskan> CrunchyFerrett: about the 76k/s stuff
[19:23] <JoshOvki> BizMan2008: yeh it will be upgraded. you can try alaskan idea of kpowersave also if you like
[19:23] <CrunchyFerrett> alaskan: I dont think I understand the ++1 reference
[19:23] <JoshOvki> CrunchyFerrett: it was very very tempting
[19:23] <alaskan> CrunchyFerrett: nevermind
[19:24] <CrunchyFerrett> :(
[19:24] <BizMan2008> will do thanks
[19:24] <BizMan2008> JoshOvki:  any idea about my other question about my wifi cards
[19:24] <BizMan2008> and the device names not being picked up by knetwork manager, not  a big deal, just a little annoying
[19:24] <CrunchyFerrett> what card is it?
[19:25] <BizMan2008> ones  a external linksys card, the most common one
[19:25] <BizMan2008> broadcom
[19:25] <BizMan2008> and one is either a dell or intell wireless internal card
[19:26] <BizMan2008> but both are working after the restricted drivers kicked in, and it seemed to use the broadcom firmware/driver for both?
[19:26] <BizMan2008> both are workign t hough
[19:26] <CrunchyFerrett> If they are both working, what is the question?
[19:27] <JoshOvki> CrunchyFerrett: naming issues
[19:27] <BizMan2008> i knetworkmanager, the device names are both UNKNOWN
[19:27] <CrunchyFerrett> oh.
[19:27] <CrunchyFerrett> oh! I had that problem for a while.
[19:27] <BizMan2008> i remeber with kde3 and kubuntu 7.10, they both showed the seperatenames
[19:27] <CrunchyFerrett> do an  lsmod and pastebin it
[19:28] <BizMan2008> so i dont know if its a distro issue or kde issue
[19:28] <BizMan2008> and whats really funny is that my internal card, had a crappy connection with 7.10, so i had to use the external card, now its the opposite!
[19:30] <JoshOvki> if scrubb2000 can you tell them im just going 2 grab a bite to eat and will b back in 5ish mins
[19:30] <JoshOvki> *comes back
[19:31] <CrunchyFerrett> k
[19:31] <BizMan2008> my last issue guys, is that my volume keys do nothing, had no problem previously with older kde and kubuntu
[19:31] <CrunchyFerrett> in return, I demand a peanut
[19:32] <CrunchyFerrett> BizMan2008: Are you going to pastebin the results of your lsmod?
[19:32]  * JoshOvki hands CrunchyFerrett a pack of peanuts. Future payment too ;)
[19:32] <JoshOvki> brb all
[19:32] <BizMan2008> well when i get home i guess :)
[19:32] <alaskan> BizMan2008: Konsole -> xev -> Press the keys in question and see if they're registering properly
[19:32]  * CrunchyFerrett begins flinging peanuts at random passerby
[19:32] <BizMan2008> alaskan: i did that yesterday, did not look like they were
[19:32] <L0stadm1n> hey sup everyone.  im trying to install a driver for my ati radeon 9200 video card.  but its only  availible through rpm  so i coudnt have apt download dependenciese for me.
[19:33] <BizMan2008> alaskan: but what do i know, im decent with linux, but not good enough to decipher outputs too much
[19:33] <CrunchyFerrett> L0stadm1n: tried adept?
[19:33] <BizMan2008> L0stadm1n: use envyng
[19:33] <BizMan2008> download from adept
[19:34] <BizMan2008> will detect, download, install and confiugre ur xorg for you
[19:34] <nosrednaekim> L0stadm1n: where are you downloading from?
[19:34] <L0stadm1n> nosrednaekim i downloaded package from ati website
[19:34] <nosrednaekim> L0stadm1n: I see, thats not neccesary in Kubuntu :)
[19:34] <nosrednaekim> !ati
[19:34] <alaskan> BizMan2008: They should be saying something like XF86AudioRaiseVolume
[19:35] <BizMan2008> alaskan: hmm im pretty sure i did not see that
[19:36] <alaskan> BizMan2008: If they're just registering a random event, you could use xmodmap.
[19:36] <scarygary> Evening..
[19:36] <BizMan2008> that a command, or something i download from adept?
[19:36] <nosrednaekim> BizMan2008: try using xev to se what the keycode is
[19:36] <nosrednaekim> hello scarygary
[19:37] <alaskan> It's installed with X... man xmodmap ;-)
[19:37] <BizMan2008> ok great i will look into, also, if and when i get this working will it show the volume indicator on screen?
[19:38] <scarygary> They really screwed kde 4.0.4 up didn't they?
[19:38] <JoshOvki> scarygary: why do you say that?
[19:38]  * fgh sees no regressions
[19:38] <alaskan> BizMan2008: It didn't when I was using it, but I imagine that was distro-specific (wasn't on Kubuntu).
[19:38] <scarygary> The login background for instance?
[19:38] <fgh> nothing for me changed
[19:39]  * JoshOvki hasnt noticed any difference
[19:39] <BizMan2008> alaskan: just wondering because again, i never had a problem with this ever in kubuntu, up until yesterday :)
[19:39] <nosrednaekim> scarygary: just use kdm kde3
[19:39] <scarygary> Weird.. I've seen a lot of stuff on difference forums.
[19:39] <scarygary> nosrednaekim: I'm thinking of going back to 4.0.1
[19:39] <alaskan> BizMan2008: After upgrading to Hardy?
[19:39] <nosrednaekim> scarygary: you can't.
[19:39] <BizMan2008> yeah, but not an upgrade, more like a clean install
[19:40] <scarygary> nosrednaekim: Sure i can.. With a lot of work.
[19:40] <alaskan> hmm
[19:40] <fgh> naw, for my use it was a waste of 60mb in downloads.. no changes. Though there was one konqueror segfault bug fixed i think since i don't notice it anymore (khtml.so i think)
[19:40] <nosrednaekim> scarygary: :)
[19:42] <alaskan> BizMan2008: With xmodmap though, in short, you'll just want to add the commands you want to execute to ~/.xmodmaprc then add "xmodmap $HOME/.xmodmaprc" to the beginning of /usr/bin/startkde, or if you want to be extra sure not to screw up the startkde script...
[19:43] <BizMan2008> alaskan: oh..... any easier way?
[19:43] <BizMan2008> i dont want to screw things up
[19:43] <alaskan> BizMan2008: Just make a script (something like /usr/bin/xmodstartkde) with these lines: #!/bin/bash | xmodmap $HOME/.xmodmap | startkde
[19:44] <scrubb2000> Joshovki: I'm back...
[19:44] <CrunchyFerrett> he went for food
[19:44] <CrunchyFerrett> expected back in 5 min or so
[19:45] <alaskan> BizMan2008: then you just need to point the xsession file to that script (so change startkde to xmodstartkde in Exec= and TryExec= in /usr/share/xsessions/kde.desktop)
[19:45] <alaskan> BizMan2008: Sorry, gotta go. good luck
[19:45] <alaskan> peace y'all
[19:45] <scrubb2000> crunchyferret: ok, thanks.
[19:46] <BizMan2008> thanks for your help
[19:46] <nosrednaekim> I think he's back...
[19:46] <Mimi> Do you guys know of a way I can record the sound my computer is playing, without me having to go back to school for a multimedia degree?
[19:46]  * CrunchyFerrett flicks a peanut at JoshOvki's head
[19:47] <nosrednaekim> Mimi: yeah.... try a cable coming from the out port, into the line-in port :)
[19:47] <CrunchyFerrett> Mimi: plug a cable into from your speaker jack into your line in
[19:48]  * JoshOvki catches peanut in mouth
[19:48] <JoshOvki> ok, miss me?
[19:48] <scrubb2000> joshovki: yup
[19:48] <JoshOvki> hey scrubb2000, what happened?
[19:48] <scrubb2000> eth0 goes up and down upon command, but still doesn't work.
[19:49] <Mimi> nosrednaekim,  i have a laptop, i dont have linein lineout just  mic and headphones
[19:49] <scrubb2000> see this pastebin: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11157/
[19:49] <CrunchyFerrett> mimi: use the headphone jack then
[19:49] <CrunchyFerrett> feed the head phone jack into your microphone jack?
[19:49] <JoshOvki> scrubb2000: you have two network cards?
[19:50] <scrubb2000> joshovki:  yeah.  Two on-board adaptors on the MB
[19:50] <scrubb2000> I only use the first one though.
[19:51] <Mimi> CrunchyFerrett,  I dont have a cable i wouldnt even know what to get at the store and i probably cant afford it anyway....? O.o ..... can't i just tell the problem to grab whatervers playing ... ?
[19:51] <mocamoca> hi
[19:51] <mocamoca> how to switch from KDE 3.5 to KDE 4.0 running Kubuntu
[19:51] <scrubb2000> mimi: you can get the cable at radio shack for about $3.
[19:51] <Mimi> CrunchyFerrett,  ive used Skype Recorder before, and I didnt have to do all that, why do I have to do all that ? ;/
[19:51] <mocamoca> I did the download yesterday but without the remix of KDE 4
[19:51] <shaffy> can someone tell me how (or refer to a tutorial) to install python modules?
[19:52] <cuco> hi all, i want to know how much packages there are in ubuntu. can anyone type "apt-get install" and press twise "tab", it will show the number of available packages in ubuntu
[19:52] <Mimi> Uuuummm  shaffy  ... its on *whispers* the website.
[19:52] <shaffy> 1983
[19:52] <JoshOvki> scrubb2000: dynamic IP correct?
[19:52] <shaffy> cuco: 1983
[19:52] <cuco> mocamoca: "apt-get install kubuntu-kde4-desktop" or similar
[19:52] <scrubb2000> joshovki: yes.  The router is configured as a DHCP server.
[19:52] <cuco> shaffy: that low? something is wrong. universe? multiverse etc?
[19:52] <mocamoca> cuco: I already have the packages
[19:53] <shaffy> Mimi: can you *whisper* be a little more specific.  i've already tried my best looking on the website
[19:53] <Mimi> or similar?   /me does   apt-get install kubuntu-kde.4.desktop
[19:53] <cuco> mocamoca: so? whats the question?
[19:53] <JoshOvki> scrubb2000: ok, only the 1 computer on the network?
[19:53] <scrubb2000> joshovki: atm, yes.
[19:53] <mocamoca> cuco: the gaphic enviroment is still the same...
[19:54] <JoshOvki> scrubb2000: running ifconfig up  worked without any errors?
[19:54] <cuco> mocamoca: since in kdm you choose to run kde3. log out, and choose to login using kde4
[19:54] <Exilant> hm, anyone experienced with cpu freq scaling here? i used to use some centrino module some years ago, with gutsy or so that stopped to load. now i just tried modprobe p4-clockmod, and it reports frequencies as low as 75 MHz
[19:54] <mocamoca> cuco: you're right
[19:54] <mocamoca> cuco: I didn't have the package ywt
[19:55] <cuco> mocamoca: i totally kick ass, i know
[19:55] <Mimi> apologies shaffy i meant to speak with  cuco:   https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+allpackages
[19:55] <JoshOvki> scrubb2000: did you try plugging the cable into the other port?
[19:55] <mocamoca> cuco: Do you think that it solves the problem?
[19:56] <cuco> Mimi: that's sad! in theory mandriva2008.1 has more packages :(
[19:56] <Mimi> Good for mandriva?
[19:56] <cuco> mocamoca: no, you need to install "kde4" and even run it from "kdm"
[19:56] <Mimi> Mandriva's epeen is bigger, we should all be sad now *sad*
[19:56] <cuco> Mimi: well, I was expecting ubuntu to win, as it has "debian" + "many goodies not in debian"
[19:57] <scrubb2000> joshovki: yes, but it still didn't work.
[19:57] <Mimi> cuco  more isnt better, but if you really feel that way feel free to move to mandriva
[19:57] <shaffy> can someone tell me how (or refer me to a tutorial) to install python modules?
[19:57] <mocamoca> cuco: how do i do that?
[19:57] <Mimi> shaffy,   i imagine you've seen this page http://docs.python.org/inst/inst.html
[19:57] <scrubb2000> joshovki: No.
[19:57] <mocamoca> cuco what do you mean with 'kdm' (is the first time i'm running kde... :( )
[19:57] <cuco> well, # of packages is not really a way to measure, since in mandriva every package is splitted into 17 sub-packages... even more then debian IMHO
[19:57] <JoshOvki> scrubb2000: no to trying to plug it into the other port?
[19:57] <scrubb2000> correct
[19:58] <JoshOvki> scrubb2000: might sound silly, but can you try plug into that for me see if it makes any difference
[19:58] <cuco> mocamoca: the thingie which asks for password. instead of just pressing enter, look for a place which says "session" and choose "kde4" instead of "last"
[19:58]  * CrunchyFerrett goes afk for a bit to deal with a customer. 
[19:58] <JoshOvki> i understand its a pain because you have to restart to give it a go
[19:58] <cuco> mocamoca: or something very similar, as you may guess :)
[19:58] <mocamoca> ok :)
[19:59] <scrubb2000> joshovki: I'm certain that eth0 was the one I used before, though.  It was working fine in Gutsy.
[20:00] <scrubb2000> joshovki: would un- and re-plugging the cable force linux to re-establish the connection?
[20:00] <JoshOvki> scrubb2000: the problem is it might have changed names in the last build. Also did you try to use knetworkmanager to take a look?
[20:00] <JoshOvki> scrubb2000: unlikaly really
[20:01] <mocamoca> cuco: thanks ;)
[20:01] <cuco> mocamoca: is it working?
[20:01] <scrubb2000> joshovki: what would I be looking for in knetworkmanager?  Doesn't it display the same info as ifconfig?
[20:02] <JoshOvki> no, if you right click it from the taskbar you will see a heading called  Wired Connections
[20:03] <JoshOvki> scrubb2000: make sure the correct one of them is selected
[20:03] <fgh> is there a way to actually sort by various fields in adept ala synaptic?
[20:03] <fgh> also, a way to show file /download size field ala synaptic?
[20:04] <Mimi> shaffy,  was that link helpful?
[20:04] <scrubb2000> joshovki: alright, I'll be back in a few...
[20:04] <JoshOvki> ok:)
[20:06] <fgh> so, i click update  and it says 91M download. I have to just click details anywhere from 1-53x here (53 updates) and hope I find it shortly. why can't adept just display a Size field?
[20:06] <fgh> the usability here seems very poorly thought out
[20:06] <shaffy> Mimi: i've made a mistake.  i meant Perl modules :(
[20:06] <fgh> carpal tunnel sucks!
[20:08] <Mimi> shaffy,  you mean like this? http://www.yinfor.com/blog/archives/2007/04/perl_module_install_under_ubun.html
[20:11] <luigi_B> ciao a tutti..
[20:11] <fgh> anyone use adept here?
[20:12] <shaffy> Mimi: thank you for the link.  however, that method only works with particular perl modules (found in the repositories), not all perl modules.  i need the basic installation method for any perl module.
[20:12] <Exilant> from time to time, fgh
[20:12] <Mactaylor> what program is good for making a btree?
[20:12] <ghita> hi
[20:13] <Mimi>     /j #perl   ?
[20:13] <fgh> exilant: is there something better than adept? seems nobody uses it much lol
[20:13] <fgh> and it has problems
[20:13] <spiral> hello
[20:14] <spiral> just installed KDE 4.0.4 on 8.04 kde 4 edition & rebooted, but it still says 4.0.3 in all about boxes
[20:14] <Exilant> fgh: dunno, there's synaptic, and of course good old apt-get and aptitude
[20:14] <spiral> does anyone here know what I could have done wrong ?
[20:14] <Mimi> there's   gnome-app-install which works beautifully and it's easy
[20:14] <Mimi> ;p
[20:14] <Mactaylor> spiral: kde 4.0.3 is kde4
[20:14] <Mactaylor> o nm
[20:14] <spiral> Mactaylor: yeayh, but not 4.0.4
[20:15] <Exilant> fgh: yes, i know, they all have problems, maybe kde4 will have something
[20:15] <ghita> it easy kde 4?
[20:15] <fgh> hmm, seems a shame kde doesn't have it's own package manager that's not so rough around the edges. i like certain things about it... it requires gnome libs, but i guess i'll just use synaptic / aptitude again
[20:15] <Mactaylor> spiral: did you enable backports?
[20:15] <luigi_B> un aiuto per compilare..  mi dà un errore
[20:15] <spiral> Mactaylor: yes, & through apt I got a lot of updates saying 4.0.4...
[20:16] <spiral> Mactaylor: when I query aptitude for versions of konqueror for example, it tells me 4.0.4
[20:16] <Mactaylor> did you update them?
[20:16] <spiral> Mactaylor: but when I look at the about box of konqueror, it says 4.0.3
[20:16] <spiral> Mactaylor: yes, everything updated
[20:16] <Mactaylor> my konqueror says 4.0.3 too
[20:17] <spiral> Mactaylor: ahah ;-)
[20:17] <spiral> Mactaylor: & have you upgraded to 4.0.4 as well ?
[20:17] <Mactaylor> yes
[20:17] <Mactaylor> i have kde4 installed but i am on 3.5.9 right now
[20:17] <spiral> Mactaylor: everything is still reported as 4.0.3 in the about boxes, this is quite strange
[20:18] <Mactaylor> that is wierd my kde4 says that too
[20:19] <fitoria> hi
[20:19] <spiral> Mactaylor: well, at least I'm not alone with this problem ;-)
[20:19] <fitoria> I have an issue with ktorrent
[20:19] <fitoria> It doesnt download anything
[20:19] <Mactaylor> fitora: wat are you trying to download?
[20:19] <fitoria> a torrent
[20:19] <spiral> lol
[20:19] <spiral> sorry
[20:19] <Mactaylor> wat torrent?
[20:20] <fitoria> severals
[20:20] <Mactaylor> are there any seeders?
[20:20] <fitoria> yes
[20:20] <fitoria> a lot
[20:20] <fitoria> y even tried with the ubuntu's torrents
[20:20] <fitoria> and nothing
[20:20] <Mactaylor> are you behind a firewall or something?
[20:20] <fitoria> ktorrent doesnt find the seeders
[20:20] <fitoria> Mactaylor: no that i know
[20:21] <fitoria> look 6881/tcp open  bittorent-tracker
[20:21] <fitoria> the port is open
[20:22] <fitoria> :O
[20:22] <fitoria> It worked :D
[20:22] <fitoria> suddenly
[20:22] <fitoria> XD
[20:22] <fitoria> thanks
[20:27] <nohelphere> can I get the GD library in kubuntu without recompiling php?
[20:27] <nohelphere> is there a package for it?
[20:33] <JoshOvki> hey scrubb2000, any luck?
[20:33] <scrubb2000> joshovki: nope.  I did notice something though.
[20:33] <JoshOvki> ?
[20:34] <scrubb2000> The network settings manager doesn't save my settings.
[20:34] <JoshOvki> scrubb2000: wat u try changinh?
[20:35] <goshawk> hi
[20:35] <scrubb2000> joshovki: I set eth0 to DHCP, set the gateway to my router's gateway address, and applied the settings.
[20:35] <goshawk> is there an official desktop kernel pachage with PAE support?
[20:35] <scrubb2000> joshovki: If I close the settings manager and reopen it, my changes are gone.
[20:36] <JoshOvki> scrubb2000: ive never managed to get that to work
[20:36] <CrunchyFerrett> why is he specifying a gateway if he's config'd for dhcp
[20:36] <neville_> goshawk I think you would need to rebuild your kernel. I'vee heard of people using the server kernel though
[20:36] <scrubb2000> crunchyferret: doesn't the computer need to know where to look for the dhcp server?
[20:37] <goshawk> neville_: yep, i'm using the server image right now
[20:37] <goshawk> neville_: but it's very different
[20:37] <scrubb2000> you know, now that I think about it, I had problems getting DHCP to work in gutsy too.
[20:37] <goshawk> neville_: from the desktop one
[20:37] <neville_> Okay so just rebuild the desktop one with PAE enabled?
[20:37] <goshawk> i'm thinking of doing it and share with others...
[20:38] <goshawk> if there is not an official one
[20:38] <scrubb2000> It wasn't that networking was broken, it was that linux wasn't finding the DHCP server or something like that...
[20:38] <scrubb2000> I wonder if this is the same problem, but I don't remember what I did to fix it back then.
[20:40] <Kr|ptiX> what is a good program like photoshop for kubuntu
[20:40] <JackWinter_> anyone know a good alsa mixer, am getting tired of mkix ;)  would like something a little bit more intuitive if possible with metering
[20:40] <Mactaylor> gimp
[20:40] <SlimeyPete> Kr|ptiX: gimp's closest
[20:41] <Kr|ptiX> k tyvm
[20:41] <JoshOvki> scrubb2000:  might be worth reading this   http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1055107
[20:42] <JackWinter_> s/mkix/kmix
[20:44] <BluesKaj> JackWinter_, there is the OSS , but I wasn't successful with getting it to install properly ..there are some who have done so because it was discussed here previously (a few weeks ago) , seems to need some tricks to make it work.
[20:45] <JackWinter_> BluesKaj: OSS is that a mixer ?  i thought it was a sound backend ?
[20:45] <BluesKaj> I thought it came with a GUI and that it replaced kmix and alsa
[20:46] <BluesKaj> I think Daisuke_Ido knows more about it
[20:47] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah, it's not a mixer, it's a newer version of the OSS backend
[20:48] <Daisuke_Ido> http://kalsamix.sourceforge.net/shots.php
[20:48] <BluesKaj> does it replace alsa , Daisuke_Ido ?
[20:48] <Daisuke_Ido> that's the only other mixer i've seen
[20:48] <Daisuke_Ido> BluesKaj: nope
[20:48] <BluesKaj> ok
[20:49] <JackWinter_> BluesKaj: afaik oss is the oldest sound support for linux, mostly replaced by alsa now, even though there are some older apps that only outputs to oss, thus there is an oss to alsa layer.  i think some people still run oss for soundcards that have oss support and no alsa support.  don't think i wanna go there because i have alsa and jack working great for different applications on different hardware.  just want a better mixer ;)
[20:49] <BluesKaj> yeah, that looks like the gnome GUI
[20:49] <BluesKaj> ok JackWinter_  , understood ... I learn something new every day :)
[20:50] <JackWinter_> BluesKaj: then you are a fortunate fella, i try to do the same ;)
[20:50] <BluesKaj> but Daisuke_Ido claims that OSS has better sound quality than alsa
[20:51] <Daisuke_Ido> no, just the newer version
[20:51] <BluesKaj> oh
[20:51] <Daisuke_Ido> OSS 4.whatever it is
[20:51] <Daisuke_Ido> prior to that, OSS was at the bottom for me.  the new version did improve output in amarok for me, but it's not a spectacular change
[20:51] <BluesKaj> ok, so that explains the lack of support on my setup ...I obviously need a driver
[20:52] <scrubb2000> joshovki: I'll try playing around with dhclient later.  That name rings bells.  But for now I need lunch.
[20:52] <Daisuke_Ido> i have yet to install it in a new hardy install, and i'm content enough with alsa that i completely forget i wanted to in the first place :)
[20:52] <scrubb2000> joshovki: I just wish that installing/upgrading linux didn't always break something critical.
[20:52] <BluesKaj> hehe, ok duly noted , Daisuke_Ido :)
[20:53] <JoshOvki> scrubb2000: you and the rest of the world ;) catch ya after lunch
[20:53] <scrubb2000> joshovki: Well, after I fix the network, I still have to fix compiz and timidity. *sigh*
[20:54] <JoshOvki> that sucks
[21:01] <heroicwisdom> Hi can anybody help me with a problem im having with kdesu?
[21:02] <Jurgentje> ask ahead
[21:02] <hoens`rZ> I managed to bork my nvidia driver install
[21:02] <hoens`rZ> can someone help me :E
[21:03] <heroicwisdom> ok i have Kubuntu 8.04 installed on my laptop. when veiwing the system guard, i see that kdesu is using around 80% of my cpu time
[21:03] <heroicwisdom> is thier a way to get this number down
[21:04] <nosrednaekim> heroicwisdom: are you running any programs as root?
[21:04] <heroicwisdom> no
[21:04] <heroicwisdom> or at least i dont think so
[21:05] <nosrednaekim> heroicwisdom: run "ps ax | grep kdesu" and see what the exact command for the command which is running is
[21:05] <heroicwisdom> ok hang on
[21:05] <hoens`rZ> anyone? :E
[21:05] <heroicwisdom>  7628 ?        R    114:45 kdesu -session 1012113c12d140000121020801600000065220039_1210217314_728208
[21:06] <heroicwisdom> that is my result
[21:06] <nosrednaekim> heroicwisdom: run "sudo kill -9 7628" (and see if anything you were doing disappears)
[21:06] <heroicwisdom> ok
[21:07] <heroicwisdom> ok i just ran it and it seems nothing changed
[21:08] <heroicwisdom> kdesu is not in the process list anymore
[21:09] <heroicwisdom> if i run somthing as root do you think is will happen again?
[21:11] <heroicwisdom> wait nevermind, i jsut ran a apps as root and the cpu is not being taxed
[21:11] <nosrednaekim> just a hung process
[21:11] <heroicwisdom> thank you for the help
[21:11] <CrunchyFerrett> wireless cards should be shown  in both ifconfig AND iwconfig, yes?
[21:11] <nosrednaekim> CrunchyFerrett: not in ifconfig if they are not "up"
[21:12] <CrunchyFerrett> nosrednaekim: they wont even list themselves?
[21:12] <heroicwisdom> one last question, where/how can i veiw/add/remove process that start on boot up?
[21:12] <rickest> heroicwisdom: my preference is sysv-rc-conf
[21:12] <nosrednaekim> CrunchyFerrett: I don't think so
[21:13] <heroicwisdom> ok is that a command or a app with a GUI?
[21:13] <rickest> heroicwisdom: curses gui
[21:13] <CrunchyFerrett> so... sudo ifconfig eth1 up ?
[21:13] <heroicwisdom> ok let me take a look
[21:13] <hoens`rZ> does anyone have any idea as to why kubuntu now doesn't show anything onscreen anymore/how i can make it now show things to the monitor :/
[21:14] <CrunchyFerrett> hoens`rZ: is the monitor black (as in, NO display) or is it just a blank kubuntu desktop
[21:15] <nosrednaekim> hoens`rZ: boot into recovery mode
[21:15] <nosrednaekim> hoens`rZ: or go to ctrl+alt+f2
[21:15] <heroicwisdom> im installing that app u recomended rickest. thanks for the help. is their anything in particular that i should know before running it?
[21:15] <hoens`rZ> CrunchyFerrett: black as in no display
[21:16] <hoens`rZ> it posts on boot, and i see kubuntu starting up
[21:16] <rickest> heroicwisdom: no, it's pretty straight-forward.  the only problem might be that there's no 'undo'. if tha'ts a real problem take screenshots of the current config before you change anything
[21:16] <hoens`rZ> but (i think) when kdm starts up it goes blackd
[21:16] <hoens`rZ> black
[21:16] <CrunchyFerrett> hoens`rZ: ok. do what nos said, then.
[21:16] <rickest> heroicwisdom: apparently 'r' can restore
[21:17] <heroicwisdom> rickest: ok how do i run it? i dont see a shortcut in the k menu. do i just type sysv-rc-conf in a treminal
[21:17] <hoens`rZ> hoens
[21:17] <hoens`rZ> +
[21:18] <hoens`rZ> nosrednaekim: how to boot into recovery mode?
[21:19] <nosrednaekim> hoens`rZ: its on the boot loader where you select windows or linux...
[21:19] <rickest> heroicwisdom: yes, from a terminal 'sudo sysv-rc-conf'.  you might want to 'sysv-rc-conf > sysv-rc.conf.config' to save the original config
[21:19] <hoens`rZ> oh i have to go into grub to do it?
[21:19] <hoens`rZ> k
[21:19] <heroicwisdom> rickest: ok i see it know, the numbers at the top, is that the init level?
[21:20] <rickest> heroicwisdom: yes
[21:21] <rickest> heroicwisdom: seriously, be sure to 'sysv-rc-conf --list > some_backup_file.txt' first so you can know what the settings were originally and in case you goof it up
[21:21] <ubuntu> salut à tous !
[21:21] <heroicwisdom> rickest: now the $ at the end of some processes, is that a hidden process?
[21:21] <Vermooot> quelqu'un est français?
[21:21] <rickest> heroicwisdom: I think it just means the name was truncated
[21:21] <heroicwisdom> rickest: ok
[21:21] <BluesKaj> !fr | Vermooot
[21:23] <hoens`rZ> why does grub say hit esc to enter setup, but it doesn't enter setup when i hit esc?
[21:23] <nosrednaekim> it enters the menu.,.. no?
[21:23] <gianluca> hi everyboby
[21:23] <JoshOvki> hoens`rZ: usb keyboard?
[21:24] <hoens`rZ> nosrednaekim: no, it jsut keeps booting into kubuntu
[21:24] <hoens`rZ> JoshOvki: let me check :E
[21:24] <nosrednaekim> hoens`rZ: do you have a USB keyboard?
[21:24] <hoens`rZ> i can never remember if the mouse is usb or the keyboard is
[21:25] <hoens`rZ> yes
[21:25] <hoens`rZ> it is
[21:25] <JoshOvki> nosrednaekim: i just asked that ;)
[21:25] <hoens`rZ> stupid wireless stuff using 2 different plugs
[21:25] <JoshOvki> hoens`rZ: in your bios turn on USB keyboard support
[21:25] <hoens`rZ> as opposed to just using one usb connection :/
[21:25] <hoens`rZ> k
[21:26] <heroicwisdom> ok thanks for the help everybody!
[21:26] <kaminix> Is there no way at all to view .sub-files with xine?
[21:27] <nosrednaekim> JoshOvki: but he didn't answer you :)
[21:28] <hoens`rZ> ok i'm in recovery mode
[21:28] <hoens`rZ> now what :E
[21:28] <JoshOvki> nosrednaekim: true
[21:29] <Nescore> hello all .. quick question ... does anyone know is the 8.04 remix a live cd
[21:29] <nosrednaekim> hoens`rZ: run "sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[21:29] <nosrednaekim> Nescore: yes, it is
[21:29] <Nescore> very cool ... thanks
[21:30] <hoens`rZ> nosrednaekim: ok
[21:30] <hoens`rZ> why couldn't i jsut do this through ssh? :E
[21:30] <nosrednaekim> hoens`rZ: oh.. you could have :)
[21:31] <hoens`rZ> well
[21:31] <hoens`rZ> now i can't cause i'm in recovery mode lol
[21:31] <hoens`rZ> that's annoying
[21:31] <hoens`rZ> ok nosrednaekim what next ?:E
[21:31] <nosrednaekim> right right... anyway, find where that file says "Driver" nvidia" and change it to "nv"
[21:31] <nosrednaekim> as in " Driver "nv" "
[21:31] <hoens`rZ> done
[21:32] <nosrednaekim> save, exit, and reboot.
[21:35] <hoens`rZ> so nosrednaekim, it tried really hard to open kdm or something
[21:35] <hoens`rZ> but now it's just sitting there at a (non-graphical) prompt
[21:36] <nosrednaekim> hoens`rZ: ok, login and run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[21:36] <nosrednaekim> and then "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart"
[21:36] <hoens`rZ> nv as driver?
[21:36] <hoens`rZ> or nvidia
[21:36] <hoens`rZ> i assum env
[21:36] <fgh> are the kubuntu repos as slow for everyone else as for me or do i have something setup wrong?
[21:37] <fgh> I'm on an 8mbps line, and i'm downloading at 18.3kB/s atm
[21:37] <fgh> that's 40mins for updates
[21:37] <Exilant> hm, try a different mirror
[21:37] <Exilant> had no problems today so far
[21:37] <Exilant> (.ch mirror)
[21:37] <fgh> hmm, i'm just using the default mirror / in the US
[21:38] <fgh> how might i choose / find another mirror?
[21:38] <fgh> Seems something of a guess as to which ones are overloaded from my POV.
[21:38] <hoens`rZ> nosrednaekim: improvement, but now i just get a blinking cursor in the upper left hand corner
[21:39] <Exilant> sth like sed -i -e 's/http:\/\/us./http:\/\/ca./' /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:39] <Exilant> or just select it in adept
[21:40] <fgh> hmm, i have no idea what the first line told me, but the second line tells me theres a list i can find in adept :)
[21:40]  * fgh starts poking around again
[21:40] <nosrednaekim> hoens`rZ: try vesa...
[21:40] <hoens`rZ> i'm fairly certain it worked with nv before
[21:40] <hoens`rZ> but ok
[21:41] <Exilant> the first replaces the us mirror with the canadian mirror in the sources.list directly
[21:41] <fgh> aah, i see what you mean now. that's clever :)
[21:41] <Exilant> haven't tested it now, did something like that before, though
[21:42] <Daisuke_Ido> amarok seems a little slow to respond when you choose to edit 600+ tags at a time
[21:42] <fgh> i'm not too quick on the draw with CLI stuff like that (yet, naturally) so nice to have both at my disposal for sure
[21:42] <ubuntu> hello, i want to ask in which package can i find libxine1-ffmpeg ?
[21:43] <Exilant> ubuntu: huh?
[21:43] <Exilant> in package libxine1-ffmpeg?
[21:43] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Ido: lol :)
[21:43] <JoshOvki> libxine1-ffmpeg is a package
[21:44] <Daisuke_Ido> nosrednaekim: the other day i accidentally went to edit the tags for my entire collection rather than get properties for it...
[21:44] <hoens`rZ> nosrednaekim: that worked, but is really suboptimal
[21:44] <hoens`rZ> is there anyway to get an nvidia driver working?
[21:44] <Daisuke_Ido> it locked amarok up pretty quick.
[21:44] <JoshOvki> ubuntu: your question is not very clear. libxine1-ffmpeg is a package
[21:45] <ubuntu> JoshOvki:
[21:45] <ubuntu> Package libxine1-ffmpeg is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[21:45] <ubuntu> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[21:45] <ubuntu> is only available from another source
[21:45] <nosrednaekim> hoens`rZ: do you have a video card on your motherboard? is it an nvidia?
[21:45] <ubuntu> i get this from terminal
[21:45] <ubuntu> do i need to enable some repos?
[21:45] <hoens`rZ>  nosrednaekim: yes and yes
[21:45] <Daisuke_Ido> ubuntu: make sure you have the universe and multiverse repos enabled
[21:45] <nosrednaekim> hoens`rZ: and are you currently trying to use a pci-e nvidia card?
[21:45] <hoens`rZ> nForce 630a
[21:45] <hoens`rZ> no
[21:45] <hoens`rZ> uh well i dunno? lol
[21:45] <Exilant> ubuntu: Section: universe/libs
[21:45] <hoens`rZ> how do i check :E
[21:46] <nosrednaekim> hoens`rZ: do you have a video card other than the one on your motherboard.
[21:46] <hoens`rZ> nosrednaekim: no
[21:46] <nosrednaekim> oh.. ok
[21:46] <nosrednaekim> hoens`rZ: which nvidia driver did you install? nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-new?
[21:46] <hoens`rZ> nosrednaekim: the point of the box is to be mainly a file server, so while i don't NEED a head, sometimes it's helpful as x through ssh is down right aweful
[21:46] <hoens`rZ> nosrednaekim: nvidia-glx
[21:47] <hoens`rZ> how do i determine my video card's bus identifier?
[21:47] <nosrednaekim> hoens`rZ: lspci
[21:47] <nosrednaekim> hoens`rZ: yeah.. thats exactly what I was thinking :)
[21:47] <hoens`rZ> hmmm
[21:48] <hoens`rZ> i'm looking and i don't see anything about a bus identifier
[21:48] <ubuntu> Exilant: Daisuke_Ido JoshOvki thx
[21:48] <fgh> wholly crap.. thanks to the sudo sed -i -e 's/http:\/\/us./http:\/\/ca./' /etc/apt/sources.list my speed bounces around 75-83k and spikes at 140k on new, small files at first. Many thanks, Exilant!
[21:48] <hoens`rZ> or
[21:48] <hoens`rZ> it could be this
[21:48] <hoens`rZ> 00:12.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 7025 (rev a2)
[21:48] <hoens`rZ> ?
[21:48] <hoens`rZ> so 00:12.0?
[21:48] <fgh> I guess US servers are overloaded then
[21:49] <Exilant> fgh, you're welcome
[21:49] <nosrednaekim> yeah.... 0.12
[21:49] <hoens`rZ> still noghting
[21:49] <hoens`rZ> is it 12.0
[21:49] <hoens`rZ> or 12:0
[21:49] <hoens`rZ> or does it not matter
[21:49] <nosrednaekim> where are you putting that?in the xorg.conf?
[21:50] <hoens`rZ> when i run dpkg-reconfigure xorg-config
[21:50] <nosrednaekim> ah... well, it should be the one which is automatically deteted
[21:50] <hoens`rZ> it asks for video card's bus identifier:
[21:50] <hoens`rZ> well that was different
[21:50] <hoens`rZ> that was 18:0
[21:50] <hoens`rZ> which lspci says is the amd hyper transport technology configuartion
[21:51] <amrush> is there anyway possible to retreive stuff that is deleted from the trash can ?
[21:51] <sredna2> hi
[21:51] <nosrednaekim> ah... thats interesting.
[21:51] <nosrednaekim> hello mr anders...
[21:51] <hoens`rZ> but in any event, neither work :E
[21:51] <sredna2> what is the package i have to install to get c++ development tools?
[21:51] <nosrednaekim> like the compiler?
[21:52] <nosrednaekim> hoens`rZ: with the nv driver?
[21:52] <hoens`rZ> nosrednaekim: aye
[21:52] <sredna2> nosrednaekim: i appear to have gcc, but not c++ for example
[21:52] <NickPresta> sredna2, 'g++', 'build-essential'?
[21:52] <sredna2> NickPresta: thanks :-)
[21:52] <sredna2> build-essential is it
[21:53] <hoens`rZ> nosrednaekim: should i install nvidia-glx-legacy or nvidia-glx-new?
[21:53] <ubuntu> any way i can speed up .wmv movies on 64bit ubuntu? =/
[21:53] <nosrednaekim> hoens`rZ: give -new a shot
[21:53] <amrush> anyone can help me in retreiving what has been deleted from my trash can ?
[21:53] <NickPresta> amrush, what filesystem are you using?
[21:55] <amrush> nickpresta .. ext2
[21:55] <hoens`rZ> nosrednaekim: still nothing :E
[21:55] <NickPresta> amrush, first google result is this: http://www.stud.tu-ilmenau.de/~mojo/undelete.html
[21:56] <NickPresta> amrush, check out the 'e2undel' package too. It allows you to interactively undelete files
[21:56] <NickPresta> although none of this is promised to work, AFAIK
[21:56] <nosrednaekim> hoens`rZ: if its a server.... just use Vesa....
[21:56] <nosrednaekim> hoens`rZ: you can probably get vesa up to 1025x768
[21:56] <nosrednaekim> *4
[21:56] <fgh> amrush: use photorec
[21:57] <fgh> amrush: it's part of testdisk suite
[21:57] <amrush> nickpresta, fgh .. thanks .. but one by one ..
[21:57] <Exilant> ubuntu, well, what player are you using?
[21:58] <ubuntu> Exilant: kaffeine
[21:58] <fgh> ahh, yeah.. photorec is annoying like that.. no limitation on files it picks up (like only X file size, or X name).
[21:59] <Exilant> hm, never found out the options with kaffeine. you could try another player, mplayer or the like, but i guess kaffeine should be alright
[22:00] <hoens`rZ> lol nosrednaekim, now vesa doesn't work o_O
[22:00] <ubuntu> Exilant: any ideas?
[22:01] <Exilant> don't have any wmv files, so i never had problems
[22:03] <jesse> HELLO
[22:04] <SlimeyPete> hi.
[22:04] <nosrednaekim> hoens`rZ: heh.,..... set it to vesa and try rebooting
[22:04] <nosrednaekim> you probably got it all confused
[22:05] <ubuntu> how can i install restricted driver for my GPU? it aint automatically detected, i supposed it will be =/
[22:05] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu: what graphics card?
[22:05] <Exilant> ubuntu: i really don't know, i once learned a bit of mplayer tuning, but that was on a 233MHz machine, an x64 shouldn't have any problems even with full hd
[22:06] <Exilant> maybe xoverlay doesn't work for you? or is it just wmv, and avi works or so?
[22:06] <ubuntu> nosrednaekim: gf 8600 gt
[22:06] <ubuntu> Exilant: avi plays even better that on windows
[22:06] <ubuntu> than*
[22:07] <ubuntu> but only wmv is crap, i guess it will be codec-related stuff
[22:07] <Exilant> probably
[22:07] <Exilant> restricted-manager doesn't offer you sth. for your gpu?
[22:07] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu: install the "nvidia-glx-new" package as well as "nvidia-settings"
[22:08] <fgh> You know, looking at apt-list now, is enabling the deb and deb-src redundant for multiverse, universe, main, main restricted et al. ?
[22:08] <nosrednaekim> fgh: no
[22:08] <ubuntu> i got em enabled
[22:08] <ubuntu> dling stuff now, restrcted manager doesnt offer me
[22:08] <ubuntu> but mayb cause i am live cd :>
[22:09] <fgh> I can't figure why i'd need them though nosrednaekim, since it doesn't seem those install as anything?
[22:09] <fgh> i realise if i was a developer but... for my avg use i mean, is it redundant / needed?
[22:10] <fgh> will bad nanny boo bo happen to me if i disable them? :)
[22:10] <nosrednaekim> you don't need deb-src
[22:10] <nosrednaekim> thats only for course debs, and generally only developers need them
[22:10] <nosrednaekim> *source
[22:11] <fgh> gotcha, saves ubuntu some bw / me a lot of time probably to disable those so thanks.
[22:11] <nosrednaekim> yeah
[22:12] <amrush> fgh, recovering stuff .. thanks ..
[22:14] <Exilant> ubuntu: you might have some problems on the livecd getting them to load, though
[22:15] <fgh> np, what tool did you wind up using?
[22:15] <fgh> i'm always on the lookout for those things amrush
[22:15] <fgh> oh, nm.. gone pff
[22:15] <ubuntu> crap, i need to reboot machine =/ so  i guess i will install kubuntu and try compiz there
[22:16] <Exilant> ubuntu: well, i guess in theory you just need to restart X
[22:17] <ubuntu> Exilant: i did, it didnt appeared
[22:17] <Exilant> but i don't know how feasible it's with the livecd
[22:17] <ubuntu> yeah that is the prob i guess
[22:17] <Exilant> you also changed xorg.conf?
[22:17] <ubuntu> sudo nvidia-xconfig did
[22:17] <Exilant> ah, ok
[22:18] <Exilant> yeah, probably all that auto-stuff prevents it
[22:18] <ubuntu> Exilant: r u using compiz personally?
[22:19] <Exilant> no, i have it installed
[22:19] <Exilant> but it doesn't work well with google earth or other opengl apps
[22:22] <ubuntu> ah, u using 32 or 64bit ?
[22:23] <dwidmann_laptop> 64-bit ftw
[22:28] <viperserv2> how do i setup proftp to fxp on ubunto?
[22:29] <ubuntu> Exilant: one more thing plz, do u know how to make apt downloads faster?
[22:29] <dwidmann_laptop> viperserv2: if you're looking for something quick and don't want to mess around with setup, you might also want to consider sftp (openssh-server package) or pure-ftpd
[22:29] <dwidmann_laptop> ubuntu: pick a faster mirror :P
[22:30] <ubuntu> dwidmann_laptop: uh
[22:30] <Exilant> ubuntu: dunno, i think they are lightning fast
[22:30] <ubuntu> dwidmann_laptop: any how to on that plz? :>
[22:31] <Exilant> look into /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:31] <Exilant> dunno what mirrors the livecd uses
[22:32] <Exilant> maybe you can replace them with sk mirrors
[22:32] <dwidmann_laptop> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors would be a good place to start ubuntu
[22:32] <ubuntu> dwidmann_laptop: thx
[22:32] <ubuntu> Exilant: just did that
[22:32] <ubuntu> Exilant: working :P
[22:32] <ubuntu> thx
[22:32] <Exilant> :)
[22:32] <dwidmann_laptop> ubuntu: basically it involves editing your /etc/apt/sources.list (frontends like adept and synaptic work too) and changing the site
[22:33] <ubuntu> i did it
[22:33] <ubuntu> i prefer shell that some gui
[22:33] <xomp> hey folks, does the standard Ubuntu Hardy CD come with KDE4? Or will I have to download all the packages for KDE4 once I install Hardy?
[22:34] <ubuntu> xomp: there r 2 versions of kubuntu
[22:34] <BluesKaj> i tmakes no difference apt and adept DL the pkges fromn the same sources
[22:34] <ubuntu> one with kde4 and one with kde3
[22:34] <xomp> ubuntu, well I already have a Hardy Ubuntu CD and I'm all out of blank CD's, just curious if the standard version came with KDE4 or not.
[22:35] <BluesKaj> xiomp there's a mix DL that has hardy+kede4
[22:35] <ubuntu> xomp: nop standard version of kubuntu is using kde 3.5.9
[22:35] <xomp> I thought I saw an option for kde4 when I installed this
[22:36] <ubuntu> kde4 is another cd
[22:38] <xomp> ok
[22:39] <BluesKaj> ubuntu hardy+kde4 is here http://www.kubuntu.org/
[22:40] <dwidmann_laptop> xomp: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[22:40] <xomp> so if I want a copy of ubuntu with kde4 as the wm then I'll need to download kubuntu, I'd prefer not to have gnome loaded as I find the menu to be a bit busy with two wm's.
[22:40] <dwidmann_laptop> xomp: be sure to have updates and backports *universe* turned on.
[22:41] <xomp> dwidmann_laptop, I have it installed now, just don't want gnome anymore. Wasn't sure if there was a way to remove gnome or not.
[22:42] <dwidmann_laptop> xomp: google for "purekde" and you'll surely find what you're looking for
[22:42] <BluesKaj> sudo apt-get remove gnome desktop
[22:42] <xomp> dwidmann_laptop, so I'm more apt to just redoing everything again as not to bother anybody with "How do I do this? I'm a linux noob"
[22:42] <BluesKaj> err gnome-desktop
[22:42] <xomp> BluesKaj, ah, cool :) Thanks!
[22:43] <dwidmann_laptop> xomp: that will only remove the gnome-desktop metapackage ... it won't get rid of the gnome packages ...
[22:43] <xomp> dwidmann_laptop, ok, so look for purekde? Is that a ubuntu version perchance?
[22:43] <BonesolTeraDyne> !purekde
[22:43] <BluesKaj> xomp, then , sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop , (for kde3.5.9)
[22:44] <dwidmann_laptop> it's the number one hit on google, it also happens to be the link the bot just gave you.
[22:44] <BonesolTeraDyne> It took the silent one to bring out a simple fix in the form of a link... XD
[22:45] <BluesKaj> gnome still has some useful apps
[22:45] <ubuntu> lika?
[22:45] <ubuntu> llike?
[22:45] <BonesolTeraDyne> BluesKaj: GTK, or GNOME itself?
[22:45] <BluesKaj> synaptic for one
[22:45] <MilitantPotato> I have a logitech MX518, I have the side buttons working in firefox and other browsers, how do I get them to work in Konqueror?
[22:46] <dwidmann_laptop> BluesKaj: I'll give you that, synaptic is pretty good.
[22:46] <dwidmann_laptop> But given a bit more time I think adept will catch up.
[22:46]  * BonesolTeraDyne hopes that was sarcasam
[22:47] <BluesKaj> I think gnome apps are fine , just care for the desktop look and feel
[22:47] <BluesKaj> err don't
[22:47] <dwidmann_laptop> I can't stand most gnome apps .... they are weak....
[22:48] <BonesolTeraDyne> XD Nor do I. I like Exaile, SeaMonkey, and Logjam, but perfer KDE
[22:48] <introubleee> Hey people. I have a kubuntu machine and X doesn't seem to start. I get as far as the end of the progress bar but then the screen just goes blank. Anyone seen this before?
[22:48] <dwidmann_laptop> BonesolTeraDyne: seamonkey isn't a gnome app so you can cross that one out ... GTK != Gnome
[22:49] <MilitantPotato> introubleee: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg     use ctrl+alt+f1 to get to a terminal, and "sudo shutdown -r now"  to restart
[22:49] <dwidmann_laptop> Unless those apps started picking up heavy gnome dependencies o.O .... I haven't paid much attention to Mozilla in a long time.
[22:50] <BonesolTeraDyne> I was listing non-KDE\QT apps, not just GNOME ones.
[22:50] <dwidmann_laptop> BonesolTeraDyne: there are plenty of good GTK apps, they don't have to conform to the GNOME interface guidelines afterall.
[22:50] <CrunchyFerrett> Are the openssl-devel libraries no longer available through Adept?
[22:51] <CrunchyFerrett> howdy dwidmann (its that annoying "crash_" guy, btw)
[22:51] <dwidmann_laptop> CrunchyFerrett: I don't think I see it either ...
[22:51] <dwidmann_laptop> !info openssl-devel
[22:51] <introubleee> MilitantPotato: ok, I'll try that. Should I just take the default options
[22:51] <introubleee> ?
[22:51] <crimsun> libssl-dev
[22:51] <BonesolTeraDyne> !libssl-dev
[22:51] <BonesolTeraDyne> !info libssl-dev
[22:52] <dwidmann_laptop> That would explain why apt-cache found nothing
[22:52] <BonesolTeraDyne> I keep forgetting to put the 'info' part
[22:52] <CrunchyFerrett> libssl then. Lets see about it!
[22:52] <BluesKaj> CrunchyFerrett, libcurl (OpenSSL) is available in adept
[22:52] <MilitantPotato> introubleee: yea, try the defaults, the settings can be fixed later, hopefully it works after that.
[22:53] <CrunchyFerrett> libcurl? Who the heck thinks up these naming conventions?
[22:54] <crimsun> it's pretty standard practice
[22:54] <MilitantPotato> in CCSM under General Options, Display settings tab, what format does the Outputs use?
[22:54] <BlakStone> Hello eFriends
[22:54] <MilitantPotato> 1680x1050 ?
[22:55] <MilitantPotato> i remember it having a +0 or two somewhere, but can't remember it exactly
[22:55] <MilitantPotato> Wrong room, sorry
[22:56] <MilitantPotato> Is it possible for konq to register side mouse buttons for forward and back?
[22:57] <uhriventis> My kde4 bar is gone how do I get it back?
[22:58] <BluesKaj> uhriventis, ask in #kubuntu-kde4
[22:58] <matt___> anyone know anything about a qt toolkit package?
[22:59] <dwidmann_laptop> uhriventis: the easiest way would be to move your ~/.kde4 folder ... of course that would lose your app settings ... then log back in
[22:59] <dwidmann_laptop> matt___: probably something like qt3-dev-tools perhaps?
[23:00] <uhriventis> How would I move it
[23:01] <dwidmann_laptop> uhriventis: the mv command works well if you're familiar with the shell, otherwise, you could do it in konqueror or dolphin if you tell it to show hidden files
[23:01] <matt___> dwidmann_laptop: checking for Qt4 version of qmake... configure: error: ophcrack requires Qt toolkit version 4.3 or later. Please disable the GUI via '--disable-gui', or see http://www.trolltech.com/ to obtain it.
[23:01] <matt___> dwidmann_laptop: any the package you suggested didn't work
[23:02] <dwidmann_laptop> matt___: libqt4-dev
[23:02] <uhriventis> Where would I move it to?
[23:03] <dwidmann_laptop> uhriventis: anywhere you want.
[23:03] <matt___> dwidmann_laptop: now that...sounds promising. Downloading now.
[23:03] <uhriventis> Where is the file located?
[23:03] <dwidmann_laptop> matt___: I was trying to guess you what you might want before, if you had jumped straight to that I would have gotten it right the first time :)
[23:04] <dwidmann_laptop> uhriventis: in you home folder
[23:04] <uhriventis> I don't see kde in there
[23:04] <dwidmann_laptop> uhriventis: it's a folder called ".kde4"
[23:04] <dwidmann_laptop> uhriventis: Like I had said, you need to enable showing of hidden files first
[23:05] <matt___> dwidmann_laptop: no problem, that was my fault, and besides, i spent thirty minutes in #ubuntu before i realized that qt was used by kde. It ALL makes sense now :)
[23:05] <uhriventis> Okay I see the file so moving it to deskttop would work?
[23:06] <dwidmann_laptop> matt___: it seriously took thirty minutes in there? and you still walked away without a response? Wow, that's pretty sad :P
[23:07] <matt___> dwidmann_laptop: yep, noone said a thing, so i googled some more, and found someone explaining qt and gtk.
[23:09] <reagleBRKLN> hi, using inspiron 530 and my CD audio access is *very* slow: 2.3X at best. It's a HL-DT-ST DVD+/-RW GSA-H73N. Any idea how to speed up for this SATA interface?
[23:10] <reagleBRKLN> using kubuntu 8.04
[23:10] <dwidmann_laptop> reagleBRKLN: do you have any sort of CD drive acoustics options available in your BIOS?
[23:10] <dwidmann_laptop> reagleBRKLN: if so, you might want to set it to Performance.
[23:11] <reagleBRKLN> not sure, will check
[23:11] <ziun> ciao
[23:11] <ziun> w kubuntu
[23:11] <ziun> :D
[23:14] <adude> i need a program to record audio
[23:15] <sequethin> audacity rocks adude
[23:15] <sequethin> for recording and editing
[23:16] <adude> i want to record sound that the computer plays
[23:16] <dwidmann_laptop> adude: krecord is extremely simple and works
[23:16] <sequethin> oh
[23:17] <dwidmann_laptop> might have meant krec, not sure :s
[23:20] <adude> it is krec not krecord.
[23:21] <dwidmann_laptop> ah, yeah.
[23:28] <Itaku> if i burn a cd in linux would it work on windows
[23:29] <isaac_> hi
[23:29] <sequethin> Itaku: it depends on what you mean by "work" but in many cases yes it will
[23:30] <Shrek> running RutilT and wondering how to get rid of the nm-applet
[23:30] <andrago> I am trying to install xine extra  plugins, but is greyed out. Not sure what repositorie should I add to get it installable. Any help?
[23:34] <dwidmann_laptop> !info libxine1-extra-plugins
[23:35] <andrago> and why it appears?
[23:35] <draik> Ever since the upgrade to 8.04, I am unable to use VirtualBox and VMware Workstation
[23:36] <dwidmann_laptop> andrago: not sure
[23:36] <dwidmann_laptop> but it apparently doesn't exist in the main reps ... which things in particular did you need?
[23:37] <DarkestHour> !smb
[23:37] <andrago> play dvd, m3 etc...
[23:37] <dwidmann_laptop> andrago: for dvd see
[23:37] <dwidmann_laptop> !css
[23:37] <dwidmann_laptop> andrago for mp3 get the libxine1-ffmpeg package
[23:38] <dwidmann_laptop> for etc you might want the libxine1-misc-plugins package
[23:38] <andrago> well, just updated it and looking around the things
[23:38] <andrago> thanks, all these are installed
[23:38] <andrago> not tried to play mp3, only wondering why it is grey
[23:39] <andrago> and, you know, it is greyed out, I can't install it, I want to install it!
[23:39] <dwidmann_laptop> andrago: do "apt-cache policy libxine1-extra-plugins"
[23:40] <andrago> not found
[23:40] <dwidmann_laptop> andrago: well that would be why it's uninstallable, why it shows up in the list is beyond me.
[23:40] <andrago> thanks, I think I will be able to play anything
[23:40] <dwidmann_laptop> andrago: how about "dpkg --list libxine1-extra-plugins
[23:41] <andrago> neither
[23:41] <draik> VMware Workstation will not start and VirtualBox keeps asking for the modules, but I have already installed them. Am I missing something?
[23:41] <andrago> thanks dwidmann_laptop
[23:42] <andrago> should be some restriction in some hide file....
[23:42] <jereme> man I just have to rant that Firefox 3b5 should _not_ be the default browser for Hardy
[23:42] <jereme> I run into bugs every stinkin day
[23:43] <jereme> its form rendering is a little busted up
[23:43] <andrago> uninstall it and install firefox-2
[23:43] <jereme> andrago: yeah, I'm going to... I just have to bitch and moan first
[23:43] <andrago> ah, ok. The standard procedure
[23:43] <jereme> exactly
[23:43] <andrago> fine, fine
[23:43] <andrago> continue, please
[23:43] <jereme> SOP from an SOB ;)
[23:44] <andrago> :-)
[23:44] <jereme> I'm done actually
[23:44] <dwidmann_laptop> draik: this might be of interest to you : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware/Server
[23:44] <jereme> I mean I could rant for hours, but Hardy is pretty awesome otherwise
[23:44] <andrago> well, I just upgraded it and moved to KDE4 and it looks really good
[23:45] <jereme> yeah I got kde4 running on a virtualbox installation and I am impressed
[23:45] <andrago> never tryied an automatic version upgrade and it was awesome
[23:45] <jereme> I'm running the kde3 version on my workstation though
[23:45] <sponix> what is this crap where apps hang, and it dims the window, is that just Ubuntu, or does kubuntu and xubuntu do that also ?
[23:45] <jereme> andrago: have you seen the new installer?
[23:45] <andrago> not yet
[23:45] <andrago> not really sure how get the new apps yet
[23:45] <dwidmann_laptop> jereme: what's new about it?
[23:45] <jereme> andrago: it's awesome... really knocks out folks main complaints about linux
[23:46] <andrago> I am doing the standar procedure fo installing a lo tof new stuff until something will be broken
[23:46] <andrago> what is the name of the package?
[23:46] <jereme> dwidmann_laptop: it's just a legitimate installer... I _thought_ it was new for hardy... when I installed Feisty I had to boot a live CD and click an icon
[23:46] <sponix> Any stability problems with kde4 ?
[23:46] <andrago> not yet
[23:47] <andrago> sponix:  runs fine, a bit different
[23:47] <jereme> andrago: I don't know... you see it when you install ubuntu from CD
[23:47] <andrago> oh, it will appear
[23:47] <dwidmann_laptop> jereme: can't do lvm/encryption/raid installs by any chance can it?
[23:48] <jereme> dwidmann_laptop: I'm not sure... my install was very basic
[23:48] <jereme> I've heard of SATA issues, but I just don't know
[23:48] <dwidmann_laptop> jereme: livecd never has before, but I would like for it to, even though I presently can't use any livecds anyway ...
[23:48] <sponix> andrago, hear it feels faster and lighter than both kde3 and gnome, you feel that is true ?
[23:48] <jereme> dwidmann_laptop: ah...  well the livecd part of the install is no longer needed
[23:49] <temoto_alt40> Hello. How do i make system run "pon corbina" from root at the very startup?
[23:49] <jereme> sponix: well it has very thin application support at this point, so it sure looks lighter
[23:49] <andrago> yes, not used it more than few ours but I agree
[23:49] <dwidmann_laptop> sponix: certainly loads slower, but when it's loaded it is fairly snappy ....probably not as snappy as kde3 or fluxbox though, at least not yet.
[23:49] <dwidmann_laptop> sponix: some of the apps like konqueror&dolphin seem much faster, gwenview too.
[23:49] <andrago> you should try it sponix
[23:49] <jereme> I personally think... KDE4 for fun... KDE3 for work
[23:50] <jereme> but when 4.1 hits... I'm there
[23:50] <kernco> Qt 4 is faster than Qt 3, so it has the potential to be faster.
[23:50] <andrago> jereme: so KD4 all time :-)
[23:50] <jereme> haha
[23:50] <dwidmann_laptop> kernco: yeah, but kde4 hasn't had time to be optimzed yet .... first you finish it, then you fix the bugs, then you optimize it, so that's still probably a ways off.
[23:51] <jereme> I just wish I had a gfx card that could do desktop effects at 3200 wide
[23:51] <jereme> stupid fglrx
[23:51] <dwidmann_laptop> jereme: 3200 wide resolution? That's INSANE
[23:51] <jereme> stupid ATI in general
[23:51] <jereme> dwidmann_laptop: dual 20" 1600x1200
[23:51] <andrago> well, the ati drivers are far better in this new release
[23:51] <dwidmann_laptop> jereme: pick up a decent NVIDIA card for $100 or something
[23:52] <andrago> in fact, they work
[23:52] <jereme> dwidmann_laptop: I'm stuck on old AGP... and AGP nvidia cards with dual-dvi are 'spensive
[23:52] <jereme> dwidmann_laptop: I just need to request a new system from the company with pci express
[23:52] <dwidmann_laptop> andrago: hit ctrl + alt + f1 then ctrl + alt + f7 and see how spiffy the drivers are then .... I hear that problem still frequents ati users
[23:53] <dwidmann_laptop> that and freezing on log out, etc
[23:53] <jereme> dwidmann_laptop: I just fixed that on my box
[23:53] <jereme> dwidmann_laptop: it was pretty easy..  I'll dig through my browser history and see if I can find the page that helped
[23:53] <andrago> yes, with the last drivers that crashed X's
[23:53] <jereme> the fix isn't even to the drivers
[23:53] <andrago> you can't use the console or init 3
[23:53] <dwidmann_laptop> jereme: feel free to dig it up for me, I'll bookmark it and pass it on as neeeded.
[23:54] <jereme> gimme a second, I gotta file a bug here
[23:54] <jereme> dwidmann_laptop: k
[23:54] <andrago> I will try it tomorrow ;-)
[23:54] <andrago> but the new drivers woorks fine with X
[23:55] <jereme> andrago: fglrx?
[23:55] <dwidmann_laptop> Wow, external hard drive performance is nice, I'm glad I bought that enclosure :)
[23:55] <jereme> andrago: or the open source ones?
[23:55] <andrago> fglrx are the closed ones?
[23:56] <BluesKaj> dwidmann_laptop, jereme , do you mean this ati shutdown hang fix; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24/+bug/118605/comments/32
[23:56] <sponix> AWN  Anyone used it ?
[23:56] <dwidmann_laptop> BluesKaj: does that also affect the inability to switch to a VT?
[23:56] <jereme> BluesKaj: I think that was it
[23:56] <andrago> I am using the ATI drivers, not the open source
[23:57] <andrago> jereme: this one works fine
[23:57] <andrago> do you use the open source?
[23:57] <BluesKaj> dwidmann_laptop, dunno
[23:57] <jereme> andrago: I use the binary installer for fglrx from ati's web site
[23:58] <jereme> because, as best as I could tell, the restricted-modules pkg that shipped with hardy was missing the fglrx kernel driver
[23:58] <andrago> It not worked for me in the previous kubuntu release
[23:58] <dwidmann_laptop> BluesKaj: After my experience with my radeon 9700 in linux I haven't touched an ATI card since ... and years later that problem still isn't 100% fixed :( jeeze
[23:58] <jereme> I think the bug that Blues posted is the proper fix
[23:58] <BluesKaj> this fix works for the lower end fglrx desfault restricted driver suggested by kubuntu upon reboot immediately after Hardy was installed
[23:59] <jereme> it worked for me on the binary install too
[23:59] <jereme> I can't find any other fixes in my browser history
[23:59] <BluesKaj> jereme, my card is the very common X200 used in a lotta laptops and MOR HP pcs