[00:08] <rcs_com2> LaserJock: I am now using RDP to remote desktop into my windows box from my Ubuntu laptop!  This is really cool.
[00:08] <rcs_com2> Next, I am going to convert to Ubuntu CE and then install Ed packages.
[00:23] <LaserJock> rcs_com2: fun
[00:23] <LaserJock> rcs_com2: are you using Ubuntu CE for the filtering?
[00:36] <rcs_com2> LaserJock: well, that was my intention, but I just realized that the project is temporarily on hold
[00:36] <rcs_com2> In addition, it looks like the last "convert" script was for the previous version of Ubuntu, so I think I have decided to skip that step.
[00:36] <rcs_com2> BTW, what do you use for ICQ in Ubuntu?
[00:43] <LaserJock> well, I don't personally use ICQ
[00:43] <LaserJock> but for general IM I use Pidgin
[00:43] <rcs_com2> If you don't use ICQ, how are you using this forum :)
[00:43] <rcs_com2> isn't it an ICQ forum?
[00:44] <rcs_com2> Pidgin runs on Linux too huh?  I guess I didn't think about that, thats what I use on Windows.
[00:46] <rcs_com2> HA, I was wrong.  I got my I* protocols mixed up. I really meant IRC :)
[00:50] <rcs_comp2> And I am now running pidgin too!  this is really great.
[00:50] <LaserJock> rcs_com2: ah, right now I'm using irssi (*the* terminal IRC client)
[00:50] <LaserJock> but I use xchat when I'm in a GUI mood
[00:50] <LaserJock> Pidgin is a Linux app
[00:51] <LaserJock> it's just portable so people have made Windows versions
[00:51] <rcs_comp2> edubuntu-addon-legacy is installing.  Its a lot of packages so it looks like it is going to take a while
[00:52] <LaserJock> yeah, gcompris is rather large
[00:52] <LaserJock> that's probably the biggest single package
[00:52] <LaserJock> but it's really great
[00:52] <LaserJock> I get hooked on it ;-)
[00:52] <rcs_comp2> what programs do you like best?
[00:52] <LaserJock> I like gcompris for fun
[00:52] <LaserJock> and Kalzium because I'm a chemist
[00:55] <rcs_comp2> What command would I use to examine what programs a certain package provides?
[00:56] <LaserJock> hmm, that's a good question
[00:56] <LaserJock> do you have the package downloaded?
[00:57] <LaserJock> are you looking for a package description or specifc paths to executables?
[00:58] <rcs_comp2> Well, I was wondering what edubuntu-addons-young provides
[00:59] <LaserJock> ok
[00:59] <LaserJock> if you do: apt-cache show edubuntu-addons-young
[00:59] <LaserJock> it will show you the list of dependencies
[01:00] <LaserJock> so it's atomix, gcompris, gpaint, tuxmath, tuxpaint, and tuxtype
[01:01] <rcs_comp2> doesn't dependency mean that the file listed needs to be installed first?
[01:02] <LaserJock> rcs_com2: yes
[01:02] <LaserJock> edubuntu-addons-young is just a "meta" package that pulls in the packages we want
[01:02] <LaserJock> so when we want to collect programs together that's what we do
[01:02] <rcs_comp2> Oh...I was forgetting that apt-get would pull in all dependencies.  It makes sense now.
[01:03] <rcs_comp2> In slackware the concept of a "meta" package doesn't exist because there is no automatic dependency resolution.
[01:03] <LaserJock> yeah
[01:03] <LaserJock> we see it as a "feature" ;-)
[01:03] <rcs_comp2> I think it is :)
[01:04] <LaserJock> all those edubuntu-* packages are metapackages
[01:04] <rcs_comp2> Slackware is great for servers IMO, but not for laptops or desktops.  I have done with Ubuntu on a three year old Dell laptop in a several hours what it would have taken me a few weeks to do in Slackware.
[01:04] <rcs_comp2> is there a way from the output to tell its just a meta package?
[01:05] <rcs_comp2> It even resized my Windows partition automatically so I could dual boot!
[01:05] <LaserJock> hmm,  not really
[01:05] <LaserJock> usually it doesn't really matter if somethings a metapackage or not
[01:06] <rcs_comp2> ok
[01:06] <LaserJock> you just find what you want and install it ;-)
[01:06] <LaserJock> we use metapackages also sometimes when we split a package up into different components
[01:06] <LaserJock> we then have a metapackage that'll install all the bits
[01:06] <rcs_comp2> Ok, that makes sense.Hey, thanks so much for all your help.  Don't hang around on my account if you have anything else to do.  I am just watching a movie with kids and playing with this new system.
[01:07] <rcs_comp2> Not that you have to leave or anything (obviously :)
[01:07] <rcs_comp2> )
[01:07] <LaserJock> heh
[01:07] <LaserJock> I'm just doing some data analysis before heading home
[01:07] <rcs_comp2> does that have to do with being a chemist?
[01:07] <LaserJock> yeah, trying to finish my PhD
[01:07] <rcs_comp2> wow.  Where do you go to school?
[01:08] <LaserJock> University of Nevada, Reno
[01:08] <rcs_comp2> I am pursing an MA in Biblical Counseling from Southern Seminary in Lousville, KY
[01:08] <LaserJock> rcs_com2: awesome!
[01:09] <LaserJock> my wife has a MA in Marriage and Family Therapy
[01:09] <rcs_comp2> LaserJock: I am going to be really!!! glad when I graduate next December (Lord willing).  Its really hard managing work and school and family.  I can't imagine doing a PhD.
[01:10] <LaserJock> yeah, I've been in college for the last 10 years straight
[01:10] <rcs_comp2> What does she do with it?  Does she counsel?
[01:10] <rcs_comp2> wow!
[01:10] <LaserJock> actually she's counseling at our church at the moment until we move
[01:10] <rcs_comp2> are you moving b/c you are finishing the PhD?
[01:10] <LaserJock> yeah
[01:10] <rcs_comp2> where you going?
[01:11] <LaserJock> wherever I can find a job :-)
[01:11] <LaserJock> don't know yet where though
[01:11] <rcs_comp2> I see :)  What will you do with a PhD in chemistry?  teach?
[01:11] <LaserJock> I'd like to
[01:11] <rcs_comp2> collage level?
[01:11] <LaserJock> yep
[01:12] <rcs_comp2> otherwise known as "college" :)
[01:16] <LaserJock> rcs_comp2: you know of Freed Hardman University?
[01:17] <LaserJock> I think it's in Ky or TN
[01:17] <rcs_comp2> nope
[01:18] <LaserJock> I think it's probably TN now that I think of it
[01:18] <LaserJock> anyway, a good friend of mine teaches there now
[01:18] <rcs_comp2> henderson, TN
[01:19] <rcs_comp2> LaserJock: are you interested in any other techie stuff?  Programming, other distros, etc.
[01:19] <LaserJock> sure
[01:19] <LaserJock> I do various things
[01:20] <LaserJock> I'm a Debian Maintainer, it's pretty useful as an Ubuntu developer
[01:20] <LaserJock> I also dabble with Fedora now and then
[01:20] <LaserJock> I work on a couple chemistry apps, C/C++ and Python
[01:21] <rcs_comp2> Do you have a particular area of emphasis with Debian?
[01:21] <LaserJock> chemistry :-)
[01:22] <rcs_comp2> Python huh?  I just decided that I needed to get involved with it.  I am a web developer and was very interested in the Django project.  However, I do a lot of stuff on IIS in windows and there is currently no way to run multiple instances of Django on an IIS server when running Python as an Isapi module, which is the only legitimate way of running it through IIS that I know of.
[01:23] <LaserJock> I've gone through the django tutorial but that's it
[01:25] <LaserJock> I tend to only really work with Linux
[01:26] <LaserJock> I run OS X as well at work
[01:26] <LaserJock> but I only really use Windows at tax time :-)
[01:28] <rcs_comp2> why at tax time?
[01:28] <LaserJock> I like TaxCut and it only works on Windows
[01:28] <rcs_comp2> I see.  No wine either huh?
[01:28] <LaserJock> I don't think so
[01:36] <rcs_comp2> LaserJock: Is the root user in Ubuntu different somehow?  I don't remember setting a password in the install for root, just for my normal user account.
[01:36] <LaserJock> ah, good question :-)
[01:36] <LaserJock> Ubuntu doesn't have a root user
[01:37] <rcs_comp2> nm "As you have noticed during the Ubuntu installation there was no question about the root password, as you might have been used to see during other Linux distribution installation process.Because of this your root accout is inactive."
[01:37] <LaserJock> our "philosophy" on that is that it's better to use sudo rather than create a root account
[01:38] <LaserJock> in terms of security and user-friendlyness
[01:39] <rcs_comp2> I guess I will learn to do that :)
[01:39] <rcs_comp2> Thanks so much for all your help, I am going to head out.
[01:39] <LaserJock> alright, it's about that time for me too
[01:39] <LaserJock> good luck with the Ubuntu box
[01:40] <LaserJock> if you need help feel free to ask
[01:40] <rcs_comp2> may the Lord bless you for you kindness to me this evening by providing a great job for you and your family.  Feel free to look me up later if you want to for some reason.  My business website is http://rcs-comp.com.  Thanks again.  Bye.
[08:47] <crazy_bus> since the edubuntu addon installer works on regular ubuntu.  Can it also work on regular kubuntu.  Or do you also have to download the normal ubuntu install cd
[09:02] <ogra> no, but you need network connection, there are gtk apps on the addon for which kubuntu doesnt bring the required libs
[09:03] <ogra> they will be pulled in from the archive
[09:03] <crazy_bus> ogra: how big of a download are we talking about?  Would it be better to get the ubuntu cd and use that as the archive
[09:04] <ogra> sorry, i neaver actually measured that, but i doubt its much
[09:15] <crazy_bus> so will it load some kind of guide to choose what to install in kubuntu.  Or is that feature meant to use gnome features
[09:40] <ogra> i should just pop up the kde equivalent to gnome-app-install and give you a list