[00:00] <jereme> mine is a sweeeeeeeeet 9600 from 1998
[00:00] <jereme> or 2002 more likely
[00:00] <andrago> good night guys
[00:00] <jereme> cya andrago
[00:00] <andrago> I am going to crash Xs
[00:00] <andrago> bye
[00:01] <draik> dwidmann_laptop: Thank you. It worked out for me. :) Much thanks
[00:01] <dwidmann_laptop> draik: no problem :)
[00:01] <andrago> hey, it works
[00:02] <andrago> I can change to console and come back to the X
[00:02] <andrago> bye
[00:02] <dwidmann_laptop> brb, restarting X
[00:02] <jereme> thanks to fglrx locking up on exit, I learned about Alt+SysReq SUB
[00:05] <jereme> I wonder how many people who just quit typed Alt+SysReq SUB after I typed it :)
[00:05] <dwidmann_laptop> There we go, touchpad is so much more responsive now ... and my video device is now my 22" LCD :)
[00:06] <norman_x> Hi out there! Does anybody know, why a UMAX S-12 SCSI Scanner is not recognized by xsane 0995? Under Ubuntu and Sidux it runs without any problem. Sorry for my bad english!
[00:07] <norman_x> sorry, I forgot, I use Kubuntu 8.04 with kde3.5.9
[00:11] <dwidmann_laptop> norman_x: is it listed on here? http://www.sane-project.org/sane-supported-devices.html
[00:12] <norman_x> dwidmann_laptop: yes, it is listed. It runs under Linux since years, with Ubuntu/Kubuntu 7.10 no problems, also no problems with sidux and opensuse
[00:14] <dwidmann_laptop> norman_x: I'd say check around on  bugs.launchpad.net and see if you can find anything about it. Hardy has brought in quite a few new problems. I've got a couple computers that won't be upgrading to Hardy anytime soon seeing as KDE's printer support is messed up :\
[00:16] <Jucato> s/KDE's/Kubuntu's/
[00:17] <dwidmann_laptop> erm, yeah and/or maybe, I'll compile a vanilla kde 3.5.9 and find out maybe.
[00:17] <norman_x> dwidmann_laptop: thanx. where can I find bugs.luanchpad.net? Sorry, I never was there
[00:18] <dwidmann_laptop> norman_x: http://
[00:18] <CrunchyFerrett> test
[00:18] <norman_x> dwidmann_laptop: ok, thanx
[00:18] <norman_x> CrunchyFerrett: test too ;-)
[00:25] <Walzmyn> Ok, if i try to login with any user other than primary, I get a screen full of pretty colored numbers and letters and have to hold down the power key to get out - any thoughts?
[00:26] <norman_x> dwidmann_laptop: have a solution for my scanner problem: when I start xsane as root, it reconizes my scanner. Wich group my user must join or with port I have to chown for solving that?
[00:28] <avihayb> Howdy folks. can any of ya all tell me if ya know what to do if the taskbar dissapears on ya in that fancy whatchamcallit KDE4(.0.3 I belive) that you get with the new distribution? the darn thing just dosn't appear when I try to log in...
[00:30] <BluesKaj> avihayb, ask the folks at #kubuntu-kde4
[00:30] <Walzmyn> avihayb, it was my understanding that panel hidding was not yet implimented in kde4 - sounds like you have a larger issue
[00:32] <avihayb> I'ts not a hideing issue, I've seen some unanswerd posts on da web. at first I thought I messed too much with em fancy indirect renderers/compositor framework thiingamajig, but I think it's somth else
[00:32] <ForzaPalermo> hey guys, i just did a fresh install of kubuntu 8.04 w/ kde4 but my volume keys wont work on my laptop? any ideas
[00:33] <ForzaPalermo> i ran xev, and do show that they keys have an output when pressed  eg  XF86AudioLowerVolume
[00:33] <BluesKaj> ForzaPalermo, try in #kubuntu-kde4
[00:34] <Makuseru> i have a device hooked up to my computer, the device is serial, and i have a serial to usb adapter comming from it, so its plugging into a usb port, and the program im using this device with wont autofind the device, it asks me what port its on, how can i find this out to enter it in?
[00:35] <sacha_> Makuseru: lsusb
[00:36] <Makuseru> thanks
[00:37] <tristan_> bonjour
[00:43] <ForzaPalermo> anyone know how to install the mplayer plugin without installing firefox3 in adept
[00:43] <ForzaPalermo> i have it installed manually a lready, it wants the ones in the repos as a requirement?
[00:43] <temoto_alt40> How do i view VLC on secondary display?
[00:44] <temoto_alt40> Perfectly i want to show one virtual KDE desktop on primary monitor and another v.desktop on secondary.
[00:51] <naught102> anyone using ff3 in hardy and notice that check boxes and radio buttons don't show when active?
[00:52] <CrunchyFerrett> naught102: I've noticed that.
[00:52] <CrunchyFerrett> I just ignore it and keep moving
[00:52] <naught102> yeah... it gets a bit annoying though.. surely there's some fix...
[00:52]  * siofwolves went back to ff2
[00:58] <jereme> naught102: select boxes too
[01:01] <Walzmyn> ForzaPalermo, mplayer plugin for what?
[01:02] <ForzaPalermo> firefox
[01:02] <ForzaPalermo> i have 3 installed already manually
[01:02] <ForzaPalermo> but it wants to install the one from the repos when i want to install the plugin
[01:02] <Walzmyn> ForzaPalermo, ah. hmm, I don't think you'll be able to do that
[01:03] <Walzmyn> ForzaPalermo, the plug-in package is going to require the F3 package and you can't tell the database it's already there
[01:03] <ForzaPalermo> Walzmyn, i used to be able to
[01:03] <Walzmyn> f3 = ff3
[01:03] <ForzaPalermo> ive always done it this way
[01:04] <Walzmyn> really? huh. I would not have thought it was possible
[01:05] <ForzaPalermo> yeah it used to just put the plugin in a directory, and that would flow through a simlink where i needed it
[01:07] <Walzmyn> see if you can just download the plugin and install it without apt-get
[01:07] <Walzmyn> sorry, yer outta my league here, i just installed FF3 with apt
[01:10] <naught102> CrunchyFerrett:, jereme: either of you using tabmix plus?
[01:11] <temoto_alt40> How to make KDE3 taskbar show only icons of active tasks, not titles?
[01:12] <temoto_alt40> I want big icons like in MacOSX or like BlackBox option.
[01:12] <CrunchyFerett> naught102: If I am, I dont know about it.
[01:12] <ForzaPalermo> where can i get just the plugin?
[01:12] <naught102> hehe
[01:12] <Walzmyn> ForzaPalermo, google is your friend
[01:13] <Walzmyn> temoto_alt40, just so you're not being ignored, i've no idea
[01:13] <ForzaPalermo> lol
[01:13] <temoto_alt40> Walzmyn, if you have ideas on forcing two rows of icons in tray bar?
[01:14] <avihayb> temoto_alt40: I have a way that sometimes works...
[01:15] <temoto_alt40> avihayb, what is it?
[01:15] <Walzmyn> temoto_alt40, you using kde 3 or 4?
[01:15] <temoto_alt40> Walzmyn, 3.
[01:16] <avihayb> In configure punnle, I choose a costume size, put the old value+ 1 and apply untill the icons fit into two lines, then i decrease the size untill it's what I want or the icons merge into one line
[01:16] <avihayb> *panel *until
[01:16] <avihayb> works in bouth k3andk4
[01:16] <temoto_alt40> Walzmyn, i tried to install XGL and compiz and it was really slow, something with ATI drivers i guess, but i didn't manage to run it normal. And i tried KDE4 at the very that time so it was slow too, i don't know if it will run fast enough now and didn't try yet. But eventually i will try to upgrade to KDE4.
[01:17] <temoto_alt40> avihayb, thanks.
[01:17] <avihayb> temoto_alt40:  did it work?
[01:18] <temoto_alt40> avihayb, yes, thanks again.
[01:19] <matt123> hi! does anyone know which files to delete to reset plasma?
[01:20] <avihayb> btw, with old ATI cards (and I mean ol'e) what's the best driver to run?
[01:23] <avihayb> specificly ATI RADEON ALL-IN-WONDER 7100 or 7200
[01:23] <jereme> the legacy driver
[01:23] <jereme> I think it's just called ati
[01:23] <jereme> actually
[01:24] <jereme> a radeon card might just use the fglrx driver
[01:24] <jereme> even if it's old
[01:24] <Ghittsum> I lost my desktop when I boot up my linux box.  How do I get it back?  I get something to the effect of kinit: no resume image, doing normal boot...; then I get a login prompt
[01:24] <jereme> sounds bad
[01:24] <Mimi> Thats not an error
[01:24] <jereme> you don't have a disc in the drive or anything do you?
[01:24] <Ghittsum> I know it isn't
[01:25] <Ghittsum> no
[01:25] <avihayb> a day or so after upgrading kubuntu , it decided I (on it's own I might add) that it's time to switch from ATI to FGLRX...
[01:25] <Ghittsum> I wish I knew what to ask to go and look for answers, but I dont
[01:25] <jereme> avihayb: well fglrx is the preferred driver if your card supports it
[01:26] <Mimi> Ghittsum,      when you login on that black screen, type      sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start    (if you have ubuntu, not kubuntu)
[01:26] <Ghittsum> I have kubuntu gusty gimp or whatever
[01:26] <jereme> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start for kubuntu
[01:26] <jereme> since this is a kubuntu channel
[01:26] <Mimi> then kdm, like jereme
[01:26] <jereme> gutsy gibbon?
[01:26] <Mimi> OOPS!!! i forgot I left #ubuntu xd! sorry!
[01:27] <Ghittsum> thanks, I will try
[01:27] <mocoxk> alguien q sepa perl y expresiones regulares q me pueda ayudar por favor =D
[01:27] <Mimi> !es
[01:28] <Ghittsum> it says kdm is already running, but it isn't in my process list
[01:28] <mocoxk> ok
[01:28] <avihayb> jereme: how would I know if my card support it? save the it dosn't work at all?
[01:30] <jereme> here's what once was a list of supported cards
[01:30] <jereme> http://xoomer.alice.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-supported.txt
[01:31] <jereme> ah, here's a maintained list
[01:31] <jereme> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Hardware
[01:31] <jereme> I don't see your card on it
[01:31] <jereme> it looks like support for your card was suspended
[01:31] <jereme> you either need to run the 'ati' driver
[01:32] <jereme> or find an old copy of the fglrx driver, pre 8.40.4
[01:32] <Ghittsum> well, I guess I could just reformat and start over again
[01:33] <avihayb> nither do I, but I rememberd I have torcs installd by taking to ya, and I get a 10 FPS boost, so I guess it's better? old fps was 20ish...
[01:33] <Ghittsum> I almost have a routine for everything I need to put a webserver together...I've done it a couple times now.
[01:33] <jereme> there is an open source driver for radeon cards, not sure what it supports
[01:34] <nosrednaekim> it supports 3d accel on most older cards
[01:35] <Ghittsum> is there somewhere I can go and pay for help?
[01:35] <nosrednaekim> !support
[01:36] <jereme> Ghittsum if you can't start kdm, I imagine your xorg.conf is blown somehow
[01:36] <jereme> that's a wild shot in the dark though
[01:36] <Ghittsum> I just left it sitting a couple days, came back and no more desktop
[01:36] <jereme> that's odd
[01:36] <jereme> if you didn't change anything
[01:36] <jereme> you _might_ have a hardware issue... another shot in the dark though
[01:36] <Ghittsum> can i sudo dkpg-reconfigure xorg.conf?
[01:37] <Ghittsum> I replaced the hard drive with another one, my old seagate from my xp box
[01:38] <BluesKaj> Ghittsum, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:38] <Ghittsum> ok, I'll try that
[01:40] <Ghittsum> xserver-xorg is broken or not fully installed
[01:41] <HermanChess> is kubuntu 8.04 as it is, stable?
[01:41] <Odd-rationale> HermanChess: the kde3 version? is rock solid
[01:41] <temoto_alt40> Can i speed up adept GUI?
[01:41] <BluesKaj> with kde3 yes
[01:41] <HermanChess> and how bad is it with kde 4?
[01:41] <Odd-rationale> HermanChess: somewhat incomplete...
[01:42] <temoto_alt40> Select new package to install in adept and i wait 2-6 sec before it actually sets the flag.
[01:42] <HermanChess> oh, I'm downloading kubuntu right now, it's not good to hear that
[01:42] <NickPresta> HermanChess, Kubuntu comes with 3.5.9 as the default, unless you're downloading the KDE4 remix
[01:43] <HermanChess> so I'll get the same old interface?
[01:44] <NickPresta> HermanChess, you will be presented with KDE 3.5.9. You can choose to install KDE4 if you wish
[01:44] <Jucato> !khardy
[01:44] <Covenax0r> hola que tal
[01:44] <NickPresta> thanks Jucato
[01:44] <HermanChess> I see
[01:44] <NickPresta> !es | Covenax0r
[01:48] <temoto_alt40> Anybody can watch IPTV?
[01:50] <Ghittsum> well, here goes reformatting
[01:52] <Ghittsum> what doesn't make any sense to me is that I can start kubuntu from the cd
[01:52] <Ghittsum> I have to install it again to get anywhere....but it loads
[01:52] <FenixReign> what does it do without booting live?
[01:52] <Ghittsum> command prompt
[01:53] <Ghittsum> it does normal boot
[01:53] <jereme> ghittsum: what if you login and just type
[01:53] <jereme> X
[01:53] <jereme> do you get a blank X windows screen?
[01:53] <FenixReign> hmm...
[01:54] <Ghittsum> I haven't got that far, I restarted with the install disc in the dvdrom
[01:54] <jereme> Ghittsum: oh, I'm trying to help you avoid a reinstall
[01:54] <jereme> but if you're on the way...
[01:55] <Ghittsum> I really don't want to start over again
[01:55] <Ghittsum> I get tired of reinstalling everything
[01:55] <FenixReign> anyone help me try and get a creative card working??
[01:55] <Ghittsum> typing 'X' or 'x' doesn't do anything
[01:55] <Ghittsum> well, it returns error
[01:55] <jereme> what error?
[01:55] <jereme> if it's long, put it in a pastebin
[01:56] <Ghittsum> with 'X' it says /etc/X11/X is not executable
[01:56] <jereme> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[01:56] <Ghittsum> with 'x': -bash: x: command not found
[01:56] <jereme> type ls -al /etc/X11X
[01:56] <jereme> should be uppercase only
[01:56] <jereme> I'm sorry
[01:56] <jereme> type
[01:56] <jereme> ls -al /etc/X11/X
[01:57] <Ghittsum> yeah, I got that
[01:57] <jereme> paste what it returns
[01:57] <Ghittsum> I did the last above
[01:57] <Ghittsum> ls -al /etc/X11/X
[01:58] <Ghittsum> I got a listing
[01:58] <jereme> I need to see the lsisting
[01:58] <jereme> err listing
[01:59] <jereme> Ghittsum: I need you to paste what that command returned... you might be very close to a solution
[01:59] <Ghittsum> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 2008-04-21 23:07 /etc/X11/X -> /usr/bin/Xorg
[01:59] <jereme> k
[02:00] <jereme> type
[02:00] <Ghittsum> sorry, it
[02:00] <Ghittsum> it's on my other box
[02:00] <jereme>  /usr/bin/Xorg
[02:00] <nosrednaekim> you want "startx"
[02:00] <jereme> nosrednaekim: he should be able to just run X
[02:00] <jereme> nosrednaekim: startx calls X
[02:00] <nosrednaekim> yes... and sets a ton of stuff previous to that....
[02:01] <nosrednaekim> some of which I am sure is essential.
[02:01] <Odd-rationale> jereme: if he is using konversation, he could just do: /exec cmd ls /etc/X11/
[02:01] <jereme> Odd-rationale: he's working on another box
[02:01] <Ghittsum> yeah
[02:01] <Odd-rationale> oh. i see...
[02:01] <Ghittsum> using xchat on my winders box
[02:01] <jereme> nosrednaekim: you can simply start X...  you'll just get a blank screen
[02:02]  * Mimi licks the persons on the channel as a "Hello"
[02:02] <jereme> Ghittsum: if you 'ls -al /usr/bin/Xorg'
[02:02] <jereme> Ghittsum: what are the permissions?
[02:02] <Ghittsum> I will try
[02:02] <jereme> k
[02:03] <nosrednaekim> hello Mimi :)
[02:03] <Mimi> ^^
[02:03] <Ghittsum> umm....no such file or directory
[02:04] <jereme> there's your problem
[02:04] <Ghittsum> can I sudo apt-get Xorg?
[02:04] <jereme> close
[02:04] <Ghittsum> I dunno where it went
[02:04] <jereme> sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg
[02:04] <Ghittsum> what could cause it to go away?
[02:05] <jereme> sometimes an apt-get upgrade will do the damndest things and remove things you needed
[02:05] <nosrednaekim> better would be "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[02:05] <nosrednaekim> do get everything
[02:05] <jereme> this may not be a simple solution, if you have a package conflict that caused this
[02:05] <Ghittsum> :\
[02:06] <jereme> Ghittsum: actually yes, try what nosrednaekim said first, then try what I said if the kubuntu-desktop package is already installed
[02:06] <Ghittsum> I went ahead and jumped the gun on what you said, jereme
[02:06] <Ghittsum> sorry, I got up and went to do it
[02:06] <jereme> Ghittsum: then do what nosrednaekim said next :)
[02:07] <Ghittsum> k
[02:07] <Ghittsum> thanks guys, I appreciate the troubleshooting
[02:07] <jereme> hey I hope it works
[02:07] <Mimi> nosrednaekim,  when I read your name, it sounds like random letters to me, but I always read it as Red Nose Skin lol
[02:07] <jereme> I hate to see someone reinstall linux to make it work
[02:07] <jereme> that's a windows tactic
[02:07] <jereme> Mimi: Mike Anderson
[02:08] <Mimi> Who?
[02:08] <jereme> Mimi: nosrednaekim is Mike Anderson in reverse
[02:08] <Ghittsum> lol...jeremem
[02:08] <Mimi> OH!
[02:08] <Mimi> Im bad at simple word puzzles ;p
[02:08] <nosrednaekim> :P
[02:08] <Mimi> Thanks!
[02:08] <Ghittsum> I'm glad you guys are passionate about linux
[02:09] <nosrednaekim> people call me "red nose" and "redneck"
[02:09] <Mimi> Yeah sorry you're having troubles with it :(
[02:09] <Ghittsum> it's ok, I'm very green stepping into this different type of computing environment
[02:10] <Ghittsum> I presume when it's done getting apts, I can just shutdown and reboot?
[02:10] <jereme> linux, when used right is more stable and more sexy than windows... I get much greater productivity out of my kubuntu box than any windows machine I've ever used
[02:10] <jereme> Ghittsum: it'd be worth typing X again to see if does anything
[02:10] <Mimi> Ghittsum,  yes but you shoudlnt need to reboot ,  i think,
[02:10] <nosrednaekim> Ghittsum: hum, question, I haven't been flowing really, but you aren't on the liveCD are you?
[02:11] <jereme> tru
[02:11] <jereme> you could just do
[02:11] <jereme> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[02:11] <jereme> another linux versus windows trick
[02:11] <jereme> 99% of the stuff done in linux doesn't require a reboot
[02:11] <jereme> unlike windows
[02:11] <Ghittsum> nosred, no, I'm not using the liveCD
[02:12] <nosrednaekim> ok.. good :)
[02:12] <jereme> hey Ghittsum, I gotta jet... but I think you're on the right path
[02:12] <Ghittsum> I'm on the screen with a patterned background and an 'X' cursor....I presume its loading
[02:12] <Ghittsum> thanks jereme
[02:12]  * Mimi watches as jereme takes flight
[02:12] <Ghittsum> I appreciate the help
[02:13] <jereme> Ghittsum: what did you type to get ont he screen you're on?
[02:13] <nosrednaekim> Ghittsum: thats good enough.... hit ctrl+alt+backspace
[02:13] <Ghittsum> X
[02:13] <jereme> yeah
[02:13] <Mimi> lol
[02:13] <nosrednaekim> then "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart"
[02:13] <jereme> ctrl+alt+backspace
[02:13] <jereme> and what nosrednaekim said
[02:13] <jereme> and you should be in business
[02:13] <Ghittsum> k
[02:13]  * jereme crosses fingers
[02:13] <nosrednaekim> jereme: that jet winding up still ? :P
[02:14]  * Mimi tries hard to untangle jereme's fingers
[02:14] <jereme> I'm taxying the tarmac
[02:14] <Mimi> lol im sorry im so bored and i love this channel >.<
[02:14] <jereme> how in the crap do you spell taxying
[02:14] <jereme> taxiing
[02:14] <nosrednaekim> one i I think
[02:14] <jereme> taxing?
[02:14] <Ghittsum> lol
[02:14] <jereme> that's something else
[02:14] <nosrednaekim> hrm.. no
[02:14] <jereme> skiing
[02:14] <jereme> must be taxiing
[02:14] <nosrednaekim> taxiing then
[02:14] <Mimi> well its not actually a word, its one of those made up verbs from works, so i think youre ok
[02:15] <jereme> oh true Mimi
[02:15] <jereme> well if it's made up
[02:15] <Mimi> why not taxyizing
[02:15] <jereme> then I'm spelling it taxeeying
[02:15] <jereme> because I can
[02:15] <Mimi> lol!!
[02:15] <jereme> Ghittsum don't forget to tell us if it worked when you're up and running :)
[02:16] <Ghittsum> YAY!  it's logging me in.  :D
[02:16] <Mimi> Yippie!
[02:16] <Mimi> I hope it doenst look ugly lol
[02:16] <billyd> I gots to try to get half Gutsy/ half Hardy system to all Hardy when I get my CD's.  Think I might want to be here whne I try to pull my pokers out of the fire
[02:16] <Ghittsum> thanks guys and possibly any gals for your help
[02:16] <Mimi> How come his  kde wasnt working in the first place?
[02:17] <jereme> Mimi: some of his packages were somehow gone
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> Mimi: X had been removed
[02:17] <jereme> incluing xserver-xorg-core
[02:17] <Mimi> after a hardy upgrade eh? nasty...
[02:17] <jereme> nah, I think he's on Gutsy
[02:17] <jereme> I'm outta here... have a good weekend all
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> we have lift off of jereme!
[02:18] <Mimi> have a good weekend
[02:20] <NewBerner> hi all
[02:21] <NewBerner> anyone know samba?
[02:21] <NewBerner> oic a samba channel
[02:22] <Mimi>  have you tried #samba   ??
[02:22] <Mimi> There's 120 something people there
[02:28] <Mimi> Where are the pink unicorns?
[02:28] <CrunchyFerett> where does kubuntu store drivers?
[02:29] <nosrednaekim> CrunchyFerett: as kernel modules
[02:29] <CrunchyFerett> yeah, but where?
[02:29] <CrunchyFerett> in the fs
[02:30] <nosrednaekim>  /usr/src/linux/modules maybe?not sure
[02:30] <CrunchyFerett> hm
[02:30] <CrunchyFerett> perhaps I should rephrase
[02:31] <CrunchyFerett> I made a new b43.ko file.
[02:31] <CrunchyFerett> I want to replace the existing b43 with my new one.
[02:31] <wirechief-intel> look at .so files in /usr/lib/packagename
[02:31] <CrunchyFerett> where would I find the existing one, so that I can delete it, replace it, and reboot
[02:32] <wirechief-intel> CrunchyFerett: just do updatedb then locate *.ko
[02:33] <wirechief-intel> if the name is b43.ko just do a locate after you do the updatedb
[02:33] <CrunchyFerett> !updatedb
[02:33] <wirechief-intel> ok so its sudo updatedb
[02:34] <CrunchyFerett> its /lib/modules/2.6.24-17-generic/
[02:35] <leo_rockw> hola #kubuntu what's up?
[02:35] <nosrednaekim> hey leo_rockw
[02:35] <wirechief-intel> CrunchyFerett: if you use locate you can find anything.
[02:36] <leo_rockw> CrunchyFerett: just remember to updatedb
[02:36] <wirechief-intel> yep
[02:36] <leo_rockw> (idk what are you guys talking about anyway... lol)
[02:36] <wirechief-intel> well not needed if you havent made any changes
[02:36] <CrunchyFerett> wirechief: awesome tip man
[02:36] <leo_rockw> i think there's a cron job for that anyway
[02:36] <CrunchyFerett> ok
[02:36] <wirechief-intel> ;)
[02:36] <CrunchyFerett> so to unload the module, I use modprobe -r b43
[02:36] <CrunchyFerett> right?
[02:37] <wirechief-intel> CrunchyFerett: your on your way to really learning linux now.
[02:37] <CrunchyFerett> Ima tryin
[02:37] <leo_rockw> CrunchyFerett: why are you unloading b43?
[02:37] <wirechief-intel> that one command will be a big assest
[02:37] <wirechief-intel> asset
[02:37] <CrunchyFerett> leo_rockw: I made a new one with a patch. so Im swapping it
[02:37] <leo_rockw> CrunchyFerett: ooo, ok. what's in the patch?
[02:38] <leo_rockw> and... is there any difference between modprobe -r and rmmod?
[02:38] <wirechief-intel> CrunchyFerett: best rename it before you overwrite save as a .bak so you can recover if needed
[02:38] <CrunchyFerett> packet injection. (and no, not for the reasons that Im sure immediately spring to your mind)
[02:38] <leo_rockw> CrunchyFerett: i don't know what packet injection is... so nothing comes to my mind lol
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> leo_rockw: they are the same I think
[02:38] <leo_rockw> CrunchyFerett: i was just wondering because i'm using b43
[02:38] <CrunchyFerett> oh
[02:38] <leo_rockw> nosrednaekim: oh, ok. thanks
[02:38] <CrunchyFerett> its a wep attack method for breaking wep keys
[02:39] <leo_rockw> CrunchyFerett: oh, nice. if it works maybe it would be nice to make the code available so security improves
[02:39]  * wirechief-intel puts wep key under the door mat
[02:40]  * leo_rockw uses mac filtering and wep key
[02:40] <CrunchyFerett> leo_rockw: not my work. www.latinsud.com/bcm
[02:41] <leo_rockw> CrunchyFerett: thanks for the url, i'm going to take a look and see if i understand what it does.
[02:41] <adude> anybody here have experience with amarok?
[02:41] <p_quarles> adude, lots of people here
[02:41] <p_quarles> !ask
[02:42] <CrunchyFerett> oh dear
[02:42] <CrunchyFerett> I seem to have missed a critical step somewhere
[02:42] <billyd> No - y biggest learning thing in Amarok was each statio had ot be clicked AND LOADED
[02:43] <adude> i'm trying to access my mp3 player from amarok how do i do it?
[02:43] <CrunchyFerett> crap
[02:43] <CrunchyFerett> How do I compile a single kernel module without have to compile all of them?
[02:44] <nosrednaekim> !modutils
[02:44] <nosrednaekim> somethngs like that command ^^
[02:44] <leo_rockw> !info modutils
[02:44] <p_quarles> adude, what kind of MP3 player?
[02:44] <wirechief-intel> adude how are you connecting  the mp3 player through the trs jacks ?
[02:44] <leo_rockw> !info module-init-tools
[02:44] <adude> a samsung YP-Z5
[02:45] <rodolfo> #ubuntu-es
[02:45] <p_quarles> adude, does it support MTP, mass storage, both or neither?
[02:45] <adude> both
[02:45] <CrunchyFerett> ty leo
[02:45] <leo_rockw> CrunchyFerett: yup... i might take a look into that too. i'm working on a custom kernel.
[02:45] <p_quarles> adude, have you tried hitting "autodetect" from the Amarok configuration >> devices menu?
[02:46] <CrunchyFerett> nifty! n
[02:46] <CrunchyFerett> Thats even installed already
[02:46] <CrunchyFerett> must discover how to use it
[02:46] <adude> not yet
[02:46] <leo_rockw> CrunchyFerett: all my linux does so far is panic (it's a linux from scratch)
[02:46] <CrunchyFerett> lol leo
[02:46] <p_quarles> adude, well that's the first step -- try that; if it doesn't work it's relatively easy to configure it manually
[02:47] <CrunchyFerett> leo_rockw: I dont see module-init-tools in my GUI, so I assume its command line?
[02:47] <CrunchyFerett> how do I access it"?
[02:48] <nosrednaekim> CrunchyFerett: I think you need to google up a tutorial sir :)
[02:49] <leo_rockw> CrunchyFerett: i was just repeating what nosrednaekim said... apparently that package has lsmod, modprobe, rmmod et al
[02:49] <CrunchyFerett> oh, I have all that
[02:49] <CrunchyFerett> I need to know how to compile the module
[02:50] <CrunchyFerett> without have to compile ALL of them (it'll take hours)
[02:50] <leo_rockw> CrunchyFerett: modprobing should do the trick
[02:51] <CrunchyFerett> explain
[02:51] <nosrednaekim> CrunchyFerett: you should only need "make" and "make install"
[02:51] <matiee> Hello everybody. I need some help about how to hide files and folder "à la Edgy", that is how to hide files without renaming them
[02:52] <matiee> could someone please give help?
[02:52] <CrunchyFerett> hm
[02:52] <leo_rockw> matiee: er... you do need to rename them. just put a "." before the name of the file
[02:53] <wirechief-intel> matiee why not move them to a usb stick and put it in a safe ?
[02:53] <leo_rockw> or encrypt them w/ gpg...
[02:53] <wirechief-intel> matiee then only you will be able to access
[02:53] <matiee> wiredchief: I know that the standard for unix systems is to put a dot before the name of the file or folder,
[02:53] <matiee> but I also know
[02:54] <matiee> that a in Ubuntu Edgy it was possible to specify
[02:54] <matiee> which files and folders to hide
[02:54] <leo_rockw> matiee: may i ask why is that you don't want to add the dot?
[02:54] <CrunchyFerett> nosrednaekim: take a look at that, if you dont mind. http://pastebin.org/35005
[02:54] <matiee> from inside a file called
[02:54] <matiee> .hidden.
[02:54] <leo_rockw> CrunchyFerett: don't use sudo for make
[02:54] <leo_rockw> CrunchyFerett: and you need to ./configure firt
[02:55] <leo_rockw> first*
[02:55] <CrunchyFerett> kk
[02:55] <wirechief-intel> matiee you can do this gpg -c filename
[02:55] <wirechief-intel> that will encrypt
[02:55] <CrunchyFerett> bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
[02:55] <matiee> leo_rockw: I simply can't rename the files and folders because they are important files and folders.
[02:55] <matiee> i.e.:
[02:56] <matiee> I want to hide /boot, /var, /sbin and so on.
[02:56] <leo_rockw> matiee: put them in a folder... change the permissions
[02:56] <leo_rockw> matiee: just change the permissions
[02:56] <leo_rockw> matiee: make the user not able to leave $HOME
[02:57] <matiee> the user could be myself, and I'm the administrator.
[02:57] <leo_rockw> CrunchyFerett: is there a README or INSTALL file?
[02:57] <leo_rockw> matiee: no, you're not
[02:57] <leo_rockw> matiee: sudo su that's your root
[02:58] <CrunchyFerett> leo: there is not. Its been a 4 day research project for me
[02:58] <matiee> sorry: I don't get the point... :S
[02:58] <leo_rockw> matiee: you are a normal user. root is the superuser.
[02:58] <matiee> leo: I just want to treat some defined folders and files
[02:58]  * wirechief-intel i think the safe is much faster ;)
[02:58] <leo_rockw> wirechief-intel: then you can't access /boot lol
[02:58] <matiee> as they where dotted files and folders, without having to renaming or moving that
[02:59] <Daisuke_Ido> matiee: ubuntu actually attempted to do the "hide system files" thing with edgy... it didn't last
[02:59] <wirechief-intel> well i guess he could use the livecd to boot ;)
[02:59] <leo_rockw> wirechief-intel: haha
[02:59]  * wirechief-intel put that in a safe too
[02:59] <leo_rockw> matiee: leave the security by obfuscation to M$
[02:59] <matiee> Daisuke: that's exactly what I'm talking about: I find that was a great Idea and I regret that it was dropped with Feisty.
[02:59] <CrunchyFerett> nosrednaekim: still with me?
[03:00] <nosrednaekim> CrunchyFerett: googlin
[03:00] <matiee> Anyway: it's still possible to do the trick of the .hidden file with Hardy, but it works with nautilus only.
[03:00] <wirechief-intel> leo_rockw: ok, heres what he does, take HD out of his computer and put it in the safe
[03:00] <CrunchyFerett> nosrednaekim: lol me too. Maybe you can make more sense out of it
[03:01] <wirechief-intel> completely hidden now.
[03:01] <matiee> It no longer works with konqueror or dolphin. I'd like to know how to make it work again.
[03:01] <CrunchyFerett> where is stdin when I need him? He always knows this obscure stuff
[03:02] <nosrednaekim> CrunchyFerett: unfortunately..I need to go
[03:02] <wirechief-intel> matiee, if you remove the HD you can always use the livecd and a usb stick
[03:02] <CrunchyFerett> awwwww
[03:02] <baudthief> Is it possible to disable the dimming of inactive windows?
[03:02] <CrunchyFerett> righto. thanks for the help so far man
[03:02] <baudthief> * unresponsive rather
[03:02] <matiee> wirechief: how smart... :D
[03:02] <wirechief-intel> matiee it works ;)
[03:03] <leo_rockw> baudthief: are you using compiz?
[03:03] <matiee> wired: I'm sure about it...
[03:03] <matiee> :)
[03:03] <wirechief-intel> matiee that is exactly what my grand-daughter does.
[03:03] <wirechief-intel> shes 13
[03:03] <leo_rockw> wirechief-intel: my friend's HD died and he's using slax off a pendrive :-)
[03:03] <baudthief> leo_rockw: yup
[03:03] <matiee> wired: is she happy with it?
[03:03] <leo_rockw> baudthief: then it is possible
[03:03] <wirechief-intel> leo_rockw: cool
[03:04] <stdin> CrunchyFerett: pastebin the Makefile
[03:04] <wirechief-intel> leo_rockw: but lots of computers still cant use USB so the livecd is a great tool
[03:04] <leo_rockw> baudthief: Kmenu > system... then somewhere there (maybe emerald... idk i don't use compiz)
[03:05] <wirechief-intel> leo_rockw: actually i can remove my desktops HD in less than 30 seconds after i turn  it off.
[03:05] <leo_rockw> wirechief-intel: i still carry slax and qemmuDSL with me at all times on a USB pendrive :-P
[03:06] <CrunchyFerett> stdin: http://pastebin.com/d529fdac1 and hello :)
[03:06] <leo_rockw> wirechief-intel: i have a laptop... the desktop still has windoze until i stop being lazy and format the HD
[03:07] <Deiwos> er hey everyone, i have an.. installation problem, of sorts
[03:07] <wirechief-intel> leo_rockw: nice well ive tried usb booting with my emachine and it still needs the livecd, i used mandriva to make the boot coding.
[03:07] <leo_rockw> wirechief-intel: no point in removing the HD of the laptop...
[03:07] <CrunchyFerett> tell us all about it Deiwos
[03:07] <wirechief-intel> leo_rockw: well thats a different thing just put laptop in safe ;)
[03:07] <leo_rockw> wirechief-intel: hahaha
[03:08] <wirechief-intel> hahaha
[03:08] <mortici> is there a way for me to streach my splash screen image?
[03:08] <mortici> rather tahn having it small and in the corner?
[03:08] <leo_rockw> mortici: define splash screen image
[03:08] <Deiwos> when i start up my computer with the kubuntu installer cd, it gets to the menu asking if i want to try it or install it, however both of those options just lead to a loading screen looking thing, and then it drops to a command prompt
[03:08] <leo_rockw> mortici: kde's one?
[03:08] <mortici> leo_rockw: kdm login splash image
[03:09] <baudthief> leo_rockw: I cant find it anywhere in ccsm, even using search - google also yielded no (useful) results
[03:09] <stdin> CrunchyFerett: looks like it needs to be compiled from the kernel, so try running "make modules" from /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.24/
[03:09] <mortici> leo_rockw: it was streched before, but it seems to have shrunk and cornered itself after the upgrade to hardy :(
[03:09] <stdin> CrunchyFerett: you could try using module-assistant too
[03:10] <leo_rockw> mortici: kcontrol > system administration > login manager > background
[03:10] <CrunchyFerett> stdin: Im trying to avoid compiling ALL the kernels tho.
[03:10] <Deiwos> and it doesn't appear that i'm able to do anything from this command prompt
[03:10] <leo_rockw> baudthief: i only used compiz for like 5 minutes last year. i know it's there, i just don't remember where
[03:10] <CrunchyFerett> and what is module-assistant
[03:11] <leo_rockw> Deiwos: try the startx command
[03:11] <leo_rockw> Deiwos: it should spit out and error...
[03:11] <stdin> CrunchyFerett: module-assistant is a tool used to compile kernel modules
[03:11] <wirechief-intel> leo_rockw: just use locate
[03:11] <CrunchyFerett> *googles*
[03:11] <leo_rockw> wirechief-intel: for what? lol
[03:11] <Deiwos> hm, i'll try that
[03:12] <wirechief-intel> leo_rockw: hmm to find compiz (if thats what you meant)
[03:12] <leo_rockw> wirechief-intel: ooo, no... baudthief wants to disable the dimming thing... i don't have compiz installed but i know you can do it from one of the menus, i just don't remember where
[03:13] <wirechief-intel> leo_rockw: well i guess if you located it and choked its neck that would do it but renaming might do the same.
[03:14] <leo_rockw> wirechief-intel: choking might be more fun
[03:14] <baudthief> leo_rockw: fading windows is disabled, I read somehwere it's firefox nor responding to compiz's pings - I increased the ping delay, hopefully that'
[03:14] <wirechief-intel> as compiz to compiz_old
[03:14] <baudthief> *d solve it
[03:14] <CrunchyFerett> stdin: I once again bask in your awesomeness
[03:14] <leo_rockw> wirechief-intel: but i don't have compiz lol
[03:15] <leo_rockw> wirechief-intel: and he still wants his compiz, except for the dim thing
[03:15]  * wirechief-intel maybe its in the safe
[03:15] <mortici> leo_rockw: that doesn't help its the splash screen thats borked :/
[03:15] <mortici> lemme check something
[03:15] <leo_rockw> wirechief-intel: $ man safe No manual entry for safe
[03:16] <leo_rockw> baudthief: i don't use FF either :S
[03:16] <baudthief> leo_rockw: gasp!?
[03:16] <leo_rockw> baudthief: konq :-)
[03:16] <baudthief> leo_rockw: *phew*
[03:17] <baudthief> thought you reverted to IE or something :p
[03:17] <Deiwos> well
[03:17] <leo_rockw> baudthief: i was an opera user before that... but it's not free
[03:17] <leo_rockw> baudthief: the last IE i used was 5.5
[03:18] <Deiwos> it did come up with an error, indeed
[03:18] <Deiwos>  /bin/sh: startx not found.
[03:18] <leo_rockw> Deiwos: err... i was expecting and error more like "screen not found" or "your video card drivers suck" that's weird...
[03:18] <Deiwos> i know
[03:19] <Deiwos> but this ram virtual drive whatever you want to call it seems to have pretty limited functionality
[03:19] <leo_rockw> Deiwos: when you select "test the live cd" hit ctrl+alt+f1 and see if there's any error
[03:19] <adude> how do i format a usb device?
[03:19] <leo_rockw> brb
[03:19] <Deiwos> after i press enter on it, or before?
[03:19] <sujith> how to check the kde version
[03:20] <dennister> hey channel, is anyone else having difficulty downloading from sourceforge? I can't get anywhere...download never starts, get stuck on advertiser's page...also tried wget, and it, too, gets stuck
[03:23] <CrunchyFerett> stdin: still around?
[03:23] <stdin> CrunchyFerett: for a few mins
[03:23] <BluesKaj> dennister, yep, same prob 2 days ago
[03:23] <VousDeux> does anyone know how I might go about creating a virtual nic that would serve as an ssh tunnel
[03:24] <CrunchyFerett> stdin: module-assistant doesnt have my drivers source in its list.
[03:24] <dennister> BluesKaj: ok, so I'm not the only one; have you tried it since?
[03:24] <BluesKaj> no
[03:25] <dennister> so it could have started 2 days ago, and not been fixed yet :(
[03:25] <BluesKaj> I found a diff mirror
[03:25] <stdin> CrunchyFerett: you can try copying the driver dir to /usr/src/modules/
[03:25] <CrunchyFerett> good idea
[03:25] <BluesKaj> actually dennister , the site seemed to freeze
[03:26] <CrunchyFerett> except I dont have that
[03:26] <stdin> create it ;)
[03:26] <dennister> hmm...tried the 3 mirrors that were available for that package
[03:26] <stdin> so it should be /usr/src/modules/b43/
[03:27] <leo_rockw> back :-
[03:28] <leo_rockw> sujith: help > about kde
[03:28] <BluesKaj> dennister, which pkg
[03:28] <stdin> leo_rockw: now you're back I can tell you, nick change on away is really annoying...
[03:28] <leo_rockw> stdin: they can be filtered
[03:29] <stdin> leo_rockw: not the point
[03:29] <dennister> BluesKaj: i'm gonna try postbooks, seeing as how sql-ledger proved so dangerous, and the fork (ledgersmb) isn't impressing me much in my attempts to install it either
[03:29] <leo_rockw> stdin: then i fail to see the point
[03:29] <stdin> !away | is the point
[03:29] <leo_rockw> stdin: if it annoys you... then filter it
[03:29] <stdin> leo_rockw: channel policy
[03:29] <leo_rockw> stdin: right, #ubuntu's
[03:29] <stdin> leo_rockw: no #*ubuntu
[03:30] <leo_rockw> "You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu"
[03:30] <leo_rockw> i must be going blind...
[03:30] <stdin> all except loco channels
[03:30] <leo_rockw> #kubuntu is not as busy as #ubuntu
[03:30] <_2> ouch! something just ate an 80G hd... error is > 0 [root@/] mount /dev/hda /media
[03:30] <_2> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[03:31] <dennister> BluesKaj: I'm afraid the xtuple.org site (OpenMFG) only offers downloads of their bigger, commercial package (referring u to sourceforge for postbooks) and softpedia only offers windows version of postbooks
[03:31] <stdin> !away
[03:31] <stdin> leo_rockw: read it again then
[03:31] <BluesKaj> dennister, bummer :(
[03:31] <_2> oh crap, this is really ugly.  http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d17baebd8
[03:32] <CrunchyFerett> stdin: still not listing it. Should I be passing options to the command line at all?
[03:32] <_2> how much data am i going to lose here ?
[03:32] <leo_rockw> stdin: it says "busy channels like #ubuntu or other ubuntu channels" #kubuntu doesn't fall in that category... it is ubuntu channel, but not busy
[03:32] <stdin> leo_rockw: #kubuntu is an Ubuntu channel
[03:32] <leo_rockw> stdin: but not busy
[03:32]  * BluesKaj begins to nod off...loooong day .Nite all
[03:33] <stdin> leo_rockw: just don't
[03:33] <_2> stdin actually cannonical doesn't own #kubuntu
[03:33] <dennister> I don't understand...if the linux community wants to make inroads into the business community, it needs to ofer things like accounting packages...only stuff in repos is either sql-ledger, tinyerp (huge, for enterprises) and egroupware (also huge)
[03:33] <stdin> _2: didn't say it did
[03:33] <leo_rockw> stdin: either kick me when i do it... or filter it
[03:33] <stdin> ok, I will
[03:33] <_2> leo_rockw he will.  :)
[03:33] <leo_rockw> stdin: ok
[03:33] <adude> what program can i use to convert wma files to mp3?
[03:33] <leo_rockw> _2: ok... i come here to help anyway
[03:34] <Odd-rationale> adude: did you try soundkonverter?
[03:34] <_2> leo_rockw alright.  so tell me how much data i'm going to lose here  http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d17baebd8
[03:34] <Odd-rationale> adude: there are also online utilities like www.zamzar.com if the file is not too big...
[03:35] <adude> will try soundkonverter
[03:35] <leo_rockw> _2: what happened there? power outage?
[03:35] <Odd-rationale> adude: last time i tried soundkonverter, it didn't work... but that was in feisty...
[03:35] <_2> nope.   unknown cause.
[03:36] <stdin> CrunchyFerett: if module-assistant isn't working, then you're just try "make modules" from the kernel, I can't see another way
[03:36] <_2> installed a bootloadre on hdb and rebooted a few times testing tweeks on that.   then   bamb no hda no mo.
[03:36] <CrunchyFerett> *sob*
[03:36] <leo_rockw> _2: there was a guy in my loco that had a problem recovering stuff from his broken partition... lemme look for that thread
[03:38] <leo_rockw> _2: see if this helps you: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DataRecovery
[03:39] <Deiwos> bleh
[03:39] <leo_rockw> Deiwos: what happened?
[03:40] <Deiwos> Buffer I/O error on fd0, Buffer I/O error on sr0, Buffer I/O error on loop0
[03:40] <_2> update on the fsck  http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d51685535
[03:42] <_2> ok.  looks like no data loose      i can't believe it really.
[03:43] <leo_rockw> _2: congrats :-)
[03:43] <leo_rockw> _2: i'm still worried it happened for no good reason
[03:43] <leo_rockw> Deiwos: that sounds like not enough space
[03:44] <_2> backing up everything important right now.  so we'll see...
[03:44] <Deiwos> 'space'?
[03:45] <Deiwos> eh, doesn't the livecd 'try kubuntu' not use any actual HD space?
[03:47] <_2> ram
[03:47] <Deiwos> 1gb of ram should be enough surely
[03:47] <_2> Deiwos how much ram avalable there ?
[03:47] <leo_rockw> Deiwos: it should... do a memtest maybe
[03:50]  * _2 wonders why they make live CD's such ram hogs anyway.    you should be able to boot a live CD in 16m of ram...  the data is on disk it doesn't really need to all be writen to ram.
[03:50] <Dr_willis> there are non-gui live cd's that can boot with very little ram.
[03:51] <leo_rockw> _2: it goes faster from ram
[03:51] <Dr_willis> of course i recall 1 floppy Linux disrtos also. :)
[03:51] <Deiwos> is there much difference between the kubuntu installer and the ubuntu installer?
[03:51] <Dr_willis> Deiwos,  not  that i have seen. I was thinking they ere identical.
[03:51] <leo_rockw> Deiwos: try an alternate
[03:55] <Deiwos> ok, i'm confused now, i tried googling the problem and came up with people saying that the errors i'm getting are a problem with Wubi having problems accessing an NTFS partition O_o
[03:56] <CrunchyFerett> sigh
[03:56] <CrunchyFerett> what do I if make modules doesnt work either?
 _2: it goes faster from ram <<< not if it doesn't boot   ;/
[03:56] <Dr_willis> I dont use wubi. so cant help with it.
[03:57] <leo_rockw> _2: haha, you're right
[03:57] <Deiwos> i'm not using wubi either Dr
[03:57] <_2> Deiwos ummm last i knew.  ubiquity == ubiquity == ubiquity
[03:58] <_2> what's the differance between a duck ?
[03:58] <_2> one leg is both the same !
[03:58] <Deiwos> i'm just desperately hoping this doesn't mean my ram is dying :P
[03:58] <uhriventis> Anyone here run their comp with an older model ATI card?
[03:59] <leo_rockw> Deiwos: it sounds like it, that's why i recommended a memtest
[03:59] <Dr_willis> define old... :)
[03:59] <uhriventis> 2004-6
[03:59] <Dr_willis> 9700 ATI card. is about as old as ive used recently
[03:59] <Dr_willis> I thinkit was a 9700 agp card. i used to use ages ago.
[03:59] <_2> uhriventis heh you mean a newer one then  :)))
[04:00] <Deiwos> i hate memtest, i seem to have problems with memory that 12 hours straight of memtests won't find :P
[04:00] <uhriventis> Uhg I have to use my onboard one. Kubuntu does not like my old ATI Radeon 9250 Pro
[04:00] <uhriventis> And it's 256k
[04:00] <uhriventis> Compared to my 64... That I'm using now
[04:01] <Deiwos> if an older version of ubuntu works, might that be a sign that it's not the ram?
[04:01] <_2> no
[04:01] <Deiwos> damnit
[04:01] <_2> Deiwos it might be a sign that it is     actually
[04:01] <uhriventis> Updating to 8.04 right now
[04:01] <leo_rockw> Deiwos: even the same version might work depending of what part of the ram is being used
[04:01] <_2> Deiwos but that would depend on several other things.
[04:02]  * Deiwos goes to try things
[04:02] <Deiwos> thanks for the help, you guys
[04:06] <_2> now i'm wondering why moving files from one disk to another isn't making more free space on the one....
[04:06] <uhriventis> Copying them?
[04:07] <_2> no move them
[04:07] <_2> cp + rm
[04:08] <_2> oh my.  the wrong disk is gaining free space  o.O
[04:09] <_2> files being moved to hda    http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d5441bf25
[04:10] <_2> note that some same files already exist there
[04:15] <_2> strange.  after all processes compleeted it did change the free space.   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d59950f5a
[04:17] <_2> /ping #kubuntu
[04:17] <ForzaPalermo> hey guys how do u get guidance power manager to boot at startup?
[04:17] <_2> !autostart
[04:18] <ForzaPalermo> _2 is that the same for kde4?
[04:18] <level1> hi, how can i bring up an ethernet network?
[04:18] <_2>    idk    </shrugs>
[04:19] <leo_rockw> ForzaPalermo: it might be ~/.kde4/Autostart
[04:19] <_2> level1     sudo ifup eth0
[04:19] <level1> _2: Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0.
[04:19] <_2> level1   ifconfig -a    see what it's listed as
[04:20] <_2> level1 you may need to modprobe a driver
[04:20] <level1> eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:15:c5:45:07:ec
[04:20] <level1> _2: it worked before hardy
[04:20] <_2> venella   ifconfig     see if it's already up
[04:21] <level1> what?
[04:21] <level1> venella is not a command
[04:22] <_2> something like    sudo ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.44 up      would bring it up with a static ip of x.x.x.x
[04:22] <level1> 192.168.0.44: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
[04:22] <_2> venella is a referance to not adding other flavours     means just run the command without switches or agruments.
[04:23] <_2> no such device ???
[04:23] <leo_rockw> vanilla*
[04:23] <level1> I ran sudo ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.44 up
[04:23] <level1> and thats what I got
[04:24] <_2> lshw -C network
[04:24] <_2> don't flood the channel.
[04:24] <stdin> or ifconfig -a
[04:24] <level1> it says it should be run as root, but theres still some output
[04:25] <level1> it lists the ethernet device
[04:25] <ForzaPalermo> thanks
[04:25] <_2> stdin we did that.  but that doesn't show what driver he might need.   i was going to have him lsmod | grep dtiver_here
[04:25] <stdin> _2: ooh, right
[04:25] <_2> level1 what breed is it.
[04:25] <_2> ?
[04:25] <level1> broadcom
[04:25] <level1> 4404 I think
[04:26]  * _2 points at stdin and ducks out the back door.
[04:26] <leo_rockw> level1: you on hardy?
[04:26] <stdin> !43xx
[04:26] <level1> yeah
[04:26] <level1> its not a wifi card
[04:26] <stdin> may, or may not be it
[04:26] <level1> its a NIC
[04:27] <level1> my wifi card is ipw 3945, it works fine
[04:27] <leo_rockw> bcm43xx is for wifi
[04:27] <leo_rockw> and it's deprecated
[04:27] <level1> and the ethernet used to work fine, but now it isn't
[04:27] <level1>        product: BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX
[04:28] <_2> lsmod | grep 4
[04:28] <_2> do you also have a wireless there ?
[04:29] <stdin> filename:       /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/kernel/drivers/net/b44.ko
[04:29] <stdin> description:    Broadcom 44xx/47xx 10/100 PCI ethernet driver
[04:29] <_2> there ya go.    sudo modprobe b44
[04:34] <administrator> hey
[04:35] <CrunchyFerett> stdin: when running "sudo make modules" from /usr/src/ I get "Nothing to be done for modules."
[04:35] <ForzaPalermo> hey guys i have a manual installation of firefox, anyway to install the mplayer mozilla plugin without installing firefox from the repos becvause it "depends" on it?
[04:41] <ixnayonthehombre> what is the package that i need to install so amarok can play mp3's?
[04:42] <ForzaPalermo> it should install it for u automatically
[04:42] <ixnayonthehombre> ya it freezes everytime i try to
[04:42] <ixnayonthehombre> so i'm just gonna install it manually
[04:42] <intelikey> !mp3
[04:43] <leo_rockw> ixnayonthehombre: you may want to report that as a bug
[04:43] <intelikey> !w32codecs
[04:44] <ForzaPalermo> hey guys i have a manual installation of firefox, anyway to install the mplayer mozilla plugin without installing firefox from the repos becvause it "depends" on it?
[04:47] <intelikey> ForzaPalermo sure.  the same way you installed ff
[04:48] <intelikey> if you turn your linux into a more gentoo'ish linux then you have a more gentoo'ish way of installing things....      </thought>
[04:48] <ForzaPalermo> intelikey, where can i get the plugin
[04:48] <ForzaPalermo> outside of the erpos
[04:48] <ForzaPalermo> i looked on google, but i cant find it
[04:48] <intelikey> sorceforge.net   i would think
[04:48] <ForzaPalermo> and i dont have another machine i can just copy it from
[04:49] <intelikey> or wait.  if it's not FOSS then you are SOL
[04:50] <ForzaPalermo> FOSS?
[04:50] <intelikey> !foss
[04:51] <intelikey> sorry bad bot call.
[04:51] <intelikey> the first url there is good
[04:51] <intelikey> FOSS = Free Open Source Software
[04:52] <ForzaPalermo> heh i guess i got to use vlc player unless there is a better alternative
[04:54] <intelikey> ForzaPalermo you could; sudo apt-get -d install your_package_name_here       that will only download the .deb file/s   then use something like mc or ark to look inside the .deb and pull out only the wanted file/s.   (/me didn't say that though)
[04:54] <eternicode> I have the main repos and just added a third-party repo.  Is there a way to tell which repo an apt package is coming from?  "sudo aptitude show <package>" doesn't give anything useful other than the package  maintainer (which isn't all that useful).
[04:54] <intelikey> policy
[04:55] <ForzaPalermo> intelikey, i already downladed it from ubuntu packages, but when i try to open it with ark, nothin in there
[04:56] <intelikey> eternicode example;   apt-cache policy package_name
[04:56] <intelikey> ForzaPalermo nothing?
[04:57] <eternicode> intelikey, ah, ok, thanks :)
[04:57] <ForzaPalermo> nothin
[04:57] <ForzaPalermo> says no archinve loaded
[04:57] <intelikey> him say you follow wrong track.   him say you follow empty camel.   ugg  </enjun_talk>
[04:58] <intelikey> maybe ark can't handle it.    mc can.
[04:59] <eternicode> I've opened .deb files before with ark, should work fine.  Just like a .zip file.
[04:59] <ForzaPalermo> maybe cause im on kde4
[04:59] <intelikey> eternicode or may be a propritary thang!
[05:00] <eternicode> ForzaPalermo, yeah, ark-kde4 might not be able to handle it XD  I hate all the new -kde4 progs installed with kde4-desktop.  All eyecandy and no functionality, the lot of em.
[05:01] <ForzaPalermo> lol i agree... ok well thanks anyway... im off ot bed
[05:01]  * intelikey waits for the "eyecandy == evil" bit again...  
[05:01] <eternicode> intelikey, eyecandy is not evil.  Eyecandy without functionality is evil.  <3 Compiz
[05:01] <intelikey> seems if you say anything against "eyecandy" in here you start a scat fiTe
[05:02] <Jucato> right
[05:02] <eternicode> Take kopete for instance.  kopete KDE3.x has IRC chat...kopete-kde4 does not.  Couldn't stand it.
[05:03] <Jucato> eternicode: maybe the fact that kde4 is currently at 4.0 and is largely incomplete answers the "all eyecandy and no functionality" question
[05:03] <intelikey> shouldn't have been released incomplete
[05:03] <leo_rockw> eternicode: kde4 was released for developers.
[05:03] <eternicode> KDE4 being at 4.0 doesn't excuse the individual package maintainers for dropping features in their "upgraded" progs.
[05:03] <Jucato> take over KDE release management and do it as you please
[05:04] <intelikey> "take over" ???    there's a thought....
[05:04] <eternicode> But at any rate, I can always aptitude purge the new versions.
[05:04] <leo_rockw> the .0 means that can be used daily w/o it crashing every 5 minutes
[05:05] <Jucato> 4.0 is largely a technology preview anyway. as for Ark, you'll have to take it up with the maintainer for that app
[05:05] <Jucato> but to immediately conclude that KDE 4 is "all eyecandy and no functionality" is unfair to some apps that have really been absolutely good even at 4.0
[05:06] <Jucato> Dolphin, Okular, Gwenview, KDE Edu and Games just to name a few
[05:06] <eternicode> Jucato: >_< I never said that about KDE4.
 ForzaPalermo, yeah, ark-kde4 might not be able to handle it XD  I hate all the new -kde4 progs installed with kde4-desktop.  All eyecandy and no functionality, the lot of em.
[05:07] <Jucato> as for "eyecandy", it's another "buzz" word I've learned to ignore, along with "bloat" and "web 2.0" :)
[05:07] <intelikey> technecly he didn't
[05:07] <eternicode> Referring mainly to the upgraded apps.  Excluding Plasma desktop, etc.  Sorry for the confusion.
[05:07] <eternicode> I love the widgets idea.  Have ever since I started using Konfabulator.
[05:07] <leo_rockw> Jucato: "web 2.0" lol
[05:08] <intelikey> Jucato if you read carefully he said that about the "progs installed with kde4"  not kde4   but anyway   ...
[05:08] <intelikey> err kde4-desktop  that is.
[05:08]  * Jucato wonders if the "all new -kde4 progs installed with kde4-desktop" are not, in fact, KDE4 progs then
[05:09]  * intelikey notes that "he" might just love kde4  and hate the "progs" that came with it....
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[05:10] <intelikey> as for me.  i just hate eyecandy in general.   doesn't matter what you call it.
[05:11] <eternicode> Jucato: the apps have package names like "ark-kde4" and "kopete-kde4" and are programmed to use the new Qt4 widgets.   They're KDE4 apps.
[05:11] <intelikey> bells whistles and flashing lights,  are useful for one thing, and one thing only.   "marketing"
[05:20] <sirmike1970md> does anybody know of a prog like peergaurdain for kubuntu
[05:21] <intelikey>  ! i
[05:30] <Feijo_BR> what mysql tool can I use to access my tables?
[05:30] <bibstha> mysql cli?
[05:31] <bibstha> btw can apt download multiple debs at once? at the moment its only downloading one deb at a time
[05:32] <bibstha> anyone?
[05:32] <Xbehave> intelikey: 4.0 has done some major groundwork  for supporting apps, so its not just bells and wistles
[05:32] <Feijo_BR> yes
[05:32] <intelikey> oodb
[05:32] <intelikey> and yes
[05:32] <Feijo_BR> oodb? to mysql?
[05:32] <intelikey> yeah
[05:34] <intelikey> Xbehave eyecandy is bells and wistles.
[05:34] <flaccid> any of you guys got checkered grey background in kdm-kde4 bug ?
[05:35] <Xbehave> yeah i said its NOT just bells and wistles, theres some really clever stuff going on with kpim & kopete sharing a backend
[05:36] <intelikey> err actually more the "flashing lights" part of that post really  :)
[05:37] <intelikey> kpim something like the mozilla-psm  ?
[05:42] <Xbehave> erm i ment PersnalInformationManager the backend for stuff like kontact,kmail,kmobiletools, etc
[05:44] <intelikey> yeah  kpim is "something like mozilla-psm == personal security manager"
[05:45] <intelikey> at least two words in common   :)))
[05:45] <flaccid> anyone here familiar with manual config of kdm files for background/wallpaper configuration?
[05:45] <o0Chris0o> having a problem starting up Adept Manager, when I start it up says it couldn't load and could only load in read only, there is no other adept running or apt get here is the error log http://paste.ubuntu.com/11225/
[05:46] <alainrevel> help
[05:47] <Jucato> !aptfix | o0Chris0o
[05:50] <flaccid> brb
[05:53] <o0Chris0o> now I am getthing this error...while running adept There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
[05:53] <o0Chris0o> and adept just closed right out
[05:55] <intelikey> sudo apt-get install -f
[05:55] <o0Chris0o> whts that do
[05:55] <siva>  How to change the default dispaly manager?
[05:56] <intelikey> siva sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[05:56] <TFrog> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[05:56] <Lardarse> does kde have a way to open each folder in its own window?
[05:56] <siva> intelikey: thanks
[05:57] <o0Chris0o> sudo apt-get install -f this for me?
[05:57] <o0Chris0o> and what does it do exactly
[05:57] <intelikey> yes
[05:57] <intelikey> probably gets us information on what the problem is on your system
[05:58] <o0Chris0o> ok
[05:58] <intelikey> alternatively fixes it without reporting an error
[05:58] <intelikey> we would prefer the later
[05:58] <o0Chris0o> wishfully thinking :)
[05:59] <TFrog> anyone here got the compiz cube working in Hardy?  i'm having problems with it
[05:59] <o0Chris0o> !cube
[06:00] <TFrog> that helps a bunch
[06:00] <SilentDis> ni hao :)
[06:01] <flaccid> ni hao ma?
[06:01] <SilentDis> sorry, i've watched the "Ni Hao a gold farmers story" music vid on youtube too much lol
[06:02] <flaccid> oh thats hello in mandarin heh
[06:02] <SilentDis> i figured that much :)
[06:03] <flaccid> hen hao!
[06:03] <Ashex> any hardy users had luck with pulseaudio?
[06:03] <flaccid> !english | flaccid
[06:03] <Ashex> As soon as I got it to connect to the server
[06:03] <Ashex> artsd starting crashing every few seconds
[06:03] <Ashex> and it still is
[06:03] <intelikey> is that where they get mandarin orenges ?
[06:03] <Ashex> getting kinda annoying
[06:03] <intelikey> and do mandrakes come from there to ?
[06:03] <o0Chris0o> how do I check my system for erros and such maek sure everything is running correctly. I am having a few errors some things have been deleted, and having lil errors popping up
[06:04] <SilentDis> is there a good 'video lab' type app for kde?  I'm thinking something that'll take vid files from any source and convert to another, I.E. mpegs/avis to dvd VOBs, DVDs to avis, etc etc.  I know most all of this can be done with ffmpeg, but I'm just not up on the commands for it as i should be.  alternately, a good 'howto' on ffmpeg cmd line works would help a lot :)
[06:04] <intelikey> o0Chris0o deleted ???
[06:04] <flaccid> o0Chris0o: the system log is /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog plus there are separate logs /var/log
[06:05] <intelikey> o0Chris0o check  /var/log/*   error messages that you don't see generally go there.
[06:05] <SilentDis> o0Chris0o: what happened to spawn this issue?
[06:05] <o0Chris0o> yes I tried uninstalling libsqlite3.0 and it uninstalled some things I did sudo apt-get kde-desktop got most back, but having some other issues
[06:05] <o0Chris0o> I selected the wrong one
[06:05] <drif> DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest }
[06:05] <drif> May  9 22:35:56 Chief kernel: [1518822.730499] ide: failed opcode was: unknown
[06:05] <drif> May  9 22:35:56 Chief kernel: [1518822.730502] hda: drive not ready for command
[06:05] <flaccid> o0Chris0o: which issues
[06:05] <drif> getting these about four times every second
[06:06] <drif> any other way than reboot to possibly resolve this?
[06:06] <flaccid> drif: any luck on google with the errors?
[06:06] <SilentDis> drif: sounds like the drive is dying slowly :(
[06:06] <drif> it's my dvdrw
[06:06] <o0Chris0o> lil errrors with adept quiting on me...couldn't start couldn't commit changes etc
[06:06] <intelikey> drif hdpram   but unless you know what your doing,  i'd sujest the reboot.
[06:06] <o0Chris0o> I am going to paste my log
[06:06] <intelikey> s/ra/ar/
[06:07] <SilentDis> drif: i just had that myself!  I upgraded the firmware (had to boot to windows to do it, blah) but it solved the situation
[06:07] <drif> intelikey: well, I usually do - when I know what I should be doing :D
[06:07] <drif> intelikey: so what about hdparm exactly
[06:07] <intelikey> drif you could shut the drive down, and then wake it back up     might work.   no promices
[06:08] <drif> SilentDis: and yours appeared from nowhere as well?
[06:08] <intelikey> drif it the kernel module didn't load correctly   rmmod it and modprobe it again.   dmesg might reviel that
[06:08] <drif> SilentDis: I had just burned dvd with k3b and got succesfull write+verify when the drive led just stayed lit
[06:09] <SilentDis> drif: right after i tried to run some old game, yes.  I think it was The Longest Journey, in fact, under wine.  Totally buggered me what happened, but i do know a quick firmware update solved me
[06:09] <drif> intelikey: I did remove/add cdrom module, but that didn't help
[06:09] <mukesh> hii
[06:09] <intelikey> ide
[06:09] <drif> well it was busy
[06:09] <intelikey> ide-generic most likely
[06:10] <drif> but I'll have another try
[06:10] <drif> intelikey: just cdrom ide_cd
[06:10] <intelikey> ok
[06:11] <intelikey> well the time escapes me.    have to go soon...
[06:11] <SilentDis> drif: i'd tried everything from cold boots to fscking with the various ide drivers, to even switching where i'd plugged the drive in, no help anywhere.  on a whim, i hit sony's website, grabbed the firmware update, rebooted to windows, applied the update, booted back to linux and it worked great
[06:12] <drif> intelikey: rmmod -f ide_cd doesn't complain but doesn't remove module either - still on list
[06:12] <intelikey> ;/
[06:12] <intelikey> yuck
[06:12] <flaccid> slightly off-topic: anyone here use firefox 3 themes. im having trouble finding one that works with f3
[06:12] <intelikey> modprobe -r cdrom ;modprobe -r ide-cd
[06:13] <drif> intelikey: module cdrom is in use
[06:13] <drif> tried other way around - no avail
[06:14] <intelikey> drif then looks like shutdown is all that's left.
[06:15] <drif> intelikey: yeah, just wanted to learn a way to deal without reboot
[06:15] <drif> intelikey: how could I see which process is using the module?
[06:15] <drif> if it's stalled
[06:15] <intelikey> yeah.   one "might" find a way in hdparm but i'm not going to send you there.
[06:15] <drif> intelikey: how come?
[06:16] <intelikey> drif "how could i..."  wouldn't matter  you couldn't even kill it while it waits on kernel side io
[06:16] <intelikey> drif and it is possable that this error will cause a shutdown hang because of not being able to kill the process.
[06:17] <drif> I issued rmmod -f -w so it could resolve that way - atleast it won't try to use it anymore
[06:18] <intelikey> right.
[06:18] <intelikey> but it may still be waiting on it...
[06:18] <drif> true
[06:18] <intelikey> ...>add infintum>...
[06:19] <intelikey> err one d  but who's counting...
[06:21] <drif> infinitum perhaps?
[06:21] <intelikey> :)
[06:26] <intelikey> might try.   hdparm -L 0 -f device/node        "the -U and -R options in the man page were what i had in mind actually,  but you probably don't want that."
[06:26] <drif> intelikey: thanks.
[06:27] <intelikey> -z even ...
[06:28] <drif> intelikey: I always try those on my own expense, so to speak
[06:28] <SilentDis> help me ubotu-nobi, you're my only hope...
[06:28] <SilentDis> !dvd
[06:28] <intelikey> meh  drives are cheep
[06:28] <flaccid> anyone have https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/227904
[06:29] <drif> intelikey: true, but I meant in general
[06:31] <intelikey> well i have to went.   drif tov 'uwlay      good luck
[06:31] <drif> intelikey: actually, the drive isn't locked - tray works fine but just the drive isn't responsive
[06:32] <drif> intelikey: but I'll probably just reboot :D than man page got me discouraged..
[06:33] <drif> ah, he left :D
[06:34] <connor> #conky
[06:35] <connor> #conky wont respond to my problemc
[06:35] <connor> could someone help me out?
[06:38] <drif> connor: and your problem is?
[06:40] <connor> i cant navigate to the correct folder to create my conky configuration
[06:40] <connor> wow
[06:40] <connor> irc is slow today, conky STILL hasnt responded
[06:40] <connor> >_>
[06:42] <connor> ...
[06:43] <Daisuke_Laptop> 5 minutes isn't slow
[06:43] <connor> >_>
[06:43] <connor> could someone help me out?
[06:43] <Daisuke_Laptop> i'm in channels where people have 4 line conversations over the span of a week.
[06:44] <connor> are you serious?
[06:44] <Daisuke_Laptop> absolutely
[06:44] <connor> good god
[06:44] <connor> why?
[06:44] <Daisuke_Laptop> some people aren't on very often, and just reply when they're around
[06:44] <connor> oh ok
[06:44] <connor> anyways
[06:44] <SilentDis> real life > irc :)
[06:44] <Daisuke_Laptop> so what's the problem?
[06:44] <connor> i need to navigate to $HOME/.conkyrc
[06:44] <connor> how can i?
[06:45] <connor> im trying to configurate conky
[06:45] <connor> how can i navigate to $HOME/.conkyrc
[06:45] <connor> i havent used ubuntu in forever
[06:45] <Daisuke_Laptop> .conkyrc is a config file i would imaging
[06:45] <Daisuke_Laptop> imagine
[06:45] <SilentDis> connor: type this into a prompt:  cd ~/.conkyrc
[06:45] <SilentDis> if it's a file, you can edit it with nano ~/.conkyrc
[06:45] <Daisuke_Laptop> if that doesn't work, try this: kate ~/.conkyrc
[06:46] <connor> cd ~/
[06:46] <connor> got me bash: cd: /home/connor/.conkyrc: Not a directory
[06:46] <Daisuke_Laptop> or nano.  or vi if you're the antichrist.  or emacs if you have 23 fingers available
[06:46] <Daisuke_Laptop> then it's just a config file
[06:46] <SilentDis> Daisuke_Laptop: roflmao at vi/emacs comments :)
[06:46] <connor> i dont get it
[06:46] <connor> explain?
[06:47] <Daisuke_Laptop> connor: vi is notorious for having the most unfriendly user interface (for new users) of any program ever
[06:47] <Daisuke_Laptop> only satan himself would know how everything works first try
[06:47] <connor> lol
[06:47] <connor> whats emacs
[06:47] <SilentDis> connor: you're trying to edit the file ~/.conkyrc.  open your favorite text editor (be it kate, gedit, nano, emacs, vi, whatever) and open ~/.conkyrc
[06:47] <Daisuke_Laptop> and emacs is notorious for extensive keyboard shortcuts
[06:47] <connor> yeah
[06:47] <connor> kate got me to it
[06:47] <Jucato> let's try not to get into some text editor war in here
[06:47] <drif> SilentDis: not sure but reboot might have done the trick - fortunately :)
[06:47] <connor> i cant highlight shit in firefox
[06:48] <Jucato> s/war/bashing/
[06:48] <connor> >_>
[06:48] <SilentDis> drif: lucky you lol
[06:48] <Daisuke_Laptop> Jucato: nah, just pointing out differences - whatever works for a user, they're more than welcome to use :)
[06:48] <connor> so uh
[06:48] <connor> whats fluxbox
[06:48] <Daisuke_Laptop> Jucato: besides, tell me i'm wrong :D
[06:48] <Daisuke_Laptop> !fluxbox
[06:48]  * Jucato points connor to Google as well
[06:49] <Jucato> Daisuke_Laptop: you're wrong :)
[06:49] <connor> so
[06:50] <Daisuke_Laptop> bah
[06:50] <Daisuke_Laptop> you're no fun, Jucato :D
[06:50] <connor> i have saved my conkyrc
[06:50] <connor> now what
[06:50] <Jucato> well, you told me to tell you you're wrong. just doing what you wanted :)
[06:51] <SilentDis> connor: restart conky, i guess.
[06:51] <connor> its not running
[06:51] <connor> :V
[06:51] <connor> how do i run it?
[06:51] <connor> sh conky is not correct is it
[06:52] <SilentDis> connor: no idea really.  i've not used the app... what does it do?
[06:52] <SilentDis> !info conky
[06:52] <connor> yeah
[06:52] <connor> basically
[06:52] <connor> it does cool shit like monitor system resources, tells you your upload/download stuff
[06:52] <connor> all that cool stuff
[06:52] <connor> :D
[06:52] <connor> so
[06:53] <connor> whats the terminal command for running a program?
[06:53] <SilentDis> connor: just type the app name.
[06:53] <connor> wtf
[06:53] <connor> errorerrorerror
[06:53] <connor> how can i type the error log?
[06:53] <SilentDis> connor: i'd assume for conky it would be easiest to run from within kde.  alt-F2, then type conky into the box
[06:53] <SilentDis> !pastebin | connor
[06:54] <connor> fuck
[06:54] <connor> pastebin isnt working
[06:54] <connor> i dont go directly to the pastebin
[06:55] <connor> im installing fluxbox
[06:55] <connor> >_>
[06:55] <connor> nevermind
[06:55] <connor> so uh
[06:55] <connor> why is conky not wanting to work?
[06:56] <SilentDis> connor: i've never used the app.  i have no way to tell you.
[06:56] <connor> oh ok
[06:56] <connor> you should install it
[06:56] <connor> its cool
[06:57] <connor> sudo apt-get install conky
[06:57] <connor> darn it
[06:57] <connor> reinstalling conky didnt help v_v
[06:57] <connor> wait
[06:57] <connor> ill do a complete removal
[06:57] <connor> then reinstall
[06:59] <connor> #conky
[07:01] <connor> darn it
[07:01] <connor> conky just WILL NOT WORKO
[07:01] <connor> WORK*
[07:02] <o0Chris0o> !patience
[07:04] <jonfhancock> connor: what is it that conky is doing?
[07:04] <connor> sigh
[07:04] <connor> its a system monitoring program
[07:04] <jonfhancock> sry, I came to the conversation late
[07:04] <connor> ill give you a screenshot
[07:04] <connor> hold on'
[07:04] <jonfhancock> I know what it is
[07:04] <jonfhancock> I've installed it
[07:04] <jonfhancock> what is the error message you get?
[07:04] <calcmandan> anyone knowledgeable in gpg?
[07:05] <connor> im getting ready to restart my comptuer hopefully it will work :)
[07:05] <jonfhancock> connor: ah.  good luck
[07:05] <connor> heres the conky setup i used that will hopefully work'
[07:05] <connor> http://conky.sourceforge.net/conky.png
[07:05] <connor> cool huh?!
[07:06] <connor> brb everyone
[07:06] <connor> restarting
[07:06] <connor> wish me luck with conky
[07:08] <connor> IT WORKS!!
[07:08] <connor> CONKY IS WORKING ON MY SYSTEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[07:09] <SilentDis> connor: calm down... half some dip. :D
[07:09] <SilentDis> connor: grats though :)
[07:10] <connor> conky is awesome!
[07:12]  * flaccid goes to give conky a try on hardy
[07:12] <Pramod> I got a problem using Adept Package Manager... I am Using the Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 4 Remix Version.... when i click on "Manage Repositories" it "Fetches Updates" :s
[07:12] <connor> lol
[07:12] <flaccid> Pramod: did you check bugs or submit one?
[07:12] <connor> im on 8.04
[07:12] <Pramod> how i do tha?
[07:13] <flaccid> !bugs | Pramod
[07:13] <Pramod> how i do that?
[07:13] <Deepthought> connor: that screenshot doezzzz look sorta cool...   Xcept for the eye-candy though, what sorta stuff can it do that the sensor-tray or system-monitor can't ?
[07:13] <Pramod> ok thanks lemme try that one...
[07:13] <connor> lol
[07:13] <connor> idk
[07:13] <connor> but
[07:14] <connor> i am now in possession of knowledge for installing conky!
[07:14] <connor> you can make it sijmple
[07:14] <Pramod> is there other way to enable the ubuntu backports repository?
[07:14] <connor> simple*
[07:14] <connor> you dont have to have all the eye cand
[07:14] <connor> although it DOES look cool :D
[07:15] <connor> arch
[07:15] <connor> argh*
[07:15] <connor> which conky setup to use!?
[07:15] <connor> http://conky.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html
[07:15] <flaccid> !enter | connor
[07:16] <connor> oh ok
[07:16] <Deepthought> connor:  man, that DOES look cool; how on earth everdid they get it in theair head to call it light weight ?
[07:17] <connor> i
[07:17] <connor> idk
[07:17] <connor> wait
[07:17] <connor> im testing a new conkyrc brb
[07:17] <connor> back
[07:17] <connor> MAN IS THIS COOL!?
[07:18] <Pramod> The bug has already been reported and it says "Problem is solved for today version of Adept."
[07:18] <connor> so, you gonna install CoNkY?
[07:19] <flaccid> Pramod: 'today' ?
[07:19] <Pramod> but how will i be able to upgrade to today's version of Adept??? :S
[07:19] <flaccid> URL to the bug please Pramod
[07:19] <Pramod> " Kamba  wrote on 2008-02-12:  (permalink) "
[07:19] <connor> testing another conky setpu T_T
[07:19] <Pramod> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/178689
[07:21] <flaccid> Pramod: what is your uname -a ? and also lsb_release -a ?
[07:22] <flaccid> i guess pastebin uname -a; lsb_release -a
[07:22] <Pramod> uname -a?
[07:22] <Pramod> wat's that?
[07:22] <flaccid> its a command to run in konsole
[07:22] <Pramod> ok wait
[07:23] <Pramod> how i use pastebin?
[07:24] <flaccid> !pastebin | Pramod
[07:24] <connor> ok, i have my conky setup all beautiful now
[07:25] <connor> now i just need a cool background :)
[07:25] <Pramod> !pastebin
[07:26] <Pramod> The link sends me to: http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/
[07:26] <Pramod> :(
[07:26] <SilentDis> grrr.
[07:26] <SilentDis> !dvd
[07:28] <Pramod> flaccid: u got the link to the pastebin?
[07:28] <flaccid> Pramod: please paste the link to the paste
[07:28] <flaccid> Pramod: ah please use http://pastebin.ca
[07:30] <Pramod> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11229/
[07:30] <connor> what did i miss?
[07:30] <connor> anyone else wanting to try conky?
[07:30] <Pramod> flaccid: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11229/
[07:31] <flaccid> connor: this is kubuntu support channel
[07:32] <connor> oh whoops
[07:32] <flaccid> Pramod: please now pastebin output of: dpkg -l | grep -i adept
[07:32] <connor> #conky
[07:32] <Dr_willis> A kde specific Conky could be called Kinky :)
[07:32] <Pramod> ok
[07:33] <connor> LOL
[07:33] <Dr_willis> Conky is a neat program. you can spend weeks twiddling with it.
[07:33] <connor> wait
[07:33] <connor> i use ubuntu, why am i in #kubuntu?
[07:33] <connor> #ubuntu
[07:33] <Dr_willis>  You tell us... :)
[07:33] <flaccid> sweet
[07:35] <Pramod> flaccid: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11230/
[07:36] <Pramod> Wat's Conky meant for?
[07:36] <Pramod> !Conky
[07:37] <flaccid> !info conky
[07:37] <flaccid> Pramod: im on the same without the bug. i'll get a command to reinstall adept
[07:37] <Pramod> ok flaccid
[07:38] <Pramod> Well in the mean time... can anyone tell me how i install a debian package in The Remix version of Kubuntu? :S
[07:38] <flaccid> !apt | Pramod
[07:38] <Dr_willis> same as you install any other debian package.. but its best to use the package maanger to download/install things.
[07:39] <flaccid> his adept is broke. Pramod read the above guide - its basically sudo apt-get install package_name
[07:39] <flaccid> Pramod: please run this command: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get install --reinstall adept adept-batch adept-common adept-installer adept-manager adept-notifier adept-updater
[07:39] <Pramod> ok
[07:41] <flaccid> Pramod: if you don't see any errors, then try starting adept manager with: kdesudo adept_manager
[07:43] <Pramod> ok
[07:43] <Pramod> am installing the adpet now...
[07:44] <flaccid> ok
[07:44] <Pramod> ok i installed them...
[07:44] <Pramod> now i try to run?
[07:44] <flaccid> sure
[07:44] <jonfhancock> flaccid: thanks for the little tip.  I didn't know about --reinstall
[07:44] <flaccid> jonfhancock: cool np
[07:45] <jonfhancock> you learn something new everyday
[07:45] <Pramod> still the same problem... :(
[07:45] <Kr|ptiX> any kno why i keep gettn errorimport gtk.glade
[07:46] <Pramod> anyway... how can i change the theme in KDE4???
[07:46] <Dr_willis> Im not sure that kde4 even has that feature yet.
[07:46] <Pramod> oops... u mean changing the theme?
[07:46] <Pramod> ok...
[07:46] <Pramod> :s
[07:47] <flaccid> Pramod: make a comment on the bug and advise you are still having the problem with the lastest adept and provide your adept version which is 2.1.3ubuntu25
[07:47] <Pramod> ok...
[07:47] <flaccid> Pramod: not sure if that is available in the gui yet. try #kubuntu-kde4 and #kde
[07:47] <Pramod> how u came to know the version of my adept?
[07:48] <flaccid> you pastebinned it
[07:48] <Pramod> ok thanks
[07:48] <Pramod> :D
[07:48] <flaccid> np
[07:52] <frankc> moin
[08:09] <Pramod> Quite weird, when i restarted my Computer, now the adept works fine... :S
[08:17] <kgx> whats the best way to backup my entire linux partition?
[08:18] <jussi01> !backup
[08:18] <kgx> cheers
[08:18] <jussi01> :)
[08:25] <Roey> kgx:  also see dirvish if you're looking for snapshot capability
[08:26] <JackWinter> wow, weird.  i have added the wine binary depositories to my kubuntu 8.04.  before i could just update the package.  now when i go to look for wine in my package manager it says not installed, but shows rc1 in there...
[08:29] <siva> #federo
[08:30] <siva> #ubuntu-in
[08:33] <shan> how can I install window manager
[08:36] <JoshOvki> shan: window manager? is that a package?
[08:36] <JoshOvki> shan: : or do you mean KDE?
[08:36] <leonid> HI!!!
[08:37] <JoshOvki> hi leonid
[08:37] <leonid> I updated from 3.3.x to 3.5.1 what happened to RUN OPTIONS?
[08:37] <shan> josh0vki: am using kdm
[08:37] <hellhound> does anyone know how to reset the system tray?  for some reason all the icons in it disappeared and I have to log out and back in to get them back... new ones will appear but my older ones will not
[08:39] <JoshOvki> leonid: kde 3 is not up to 3.5.9
[08:39] <JoshOvki> shan: i dont quite understand what you are trying to install
[08:39] <JoshOvki> hellhound: kde3 or 4?
[08:39] <hellhound> kde3
[08:41] <JoshOvki> hellhound: not sure sorry, i use kde4 and never had to do it with kde3
[08:42] <hellhound> JoshOvki: yeah it seems to do it when i quit compiz and go to kwin to play a game
[08:42] <Admiral_Chicago> I have an Iso of a DVD movie, iirc, I can just mount the iso and play the movie right?  Can i do that?
[08:42] <o0Chris0o> !dvd
[08:43] <o0Chris0o> !iso
[08:43] <hellhound> JoshOvki: I am sure that is the problem... but I cannot figure out how to reload my apps such as kopete , kontact, apt manager, etc... if I run those applications it still will not load the icons
[08:44] <hellhound> JoshOvki: even if I remove teh applet and then reinstall it.. it is still the same
[08:44] <o0Chris0o> hellhound: have you tried sudo apt-get kde-desktop
[08:45] <o0Chris0o> that seems to work sometimes
[08:45] <hellhound> o0Chris0o: i get "invalid operation kde-desktop
[08:46] <o0Chris0o> I think thats the right name
[08:46] <o0Chris0o> let me check
[08:46] <flaccid> the package is named kubuntu-desktop
[08:48] <su-hoens`rZ> is anyone ever going to fix the libboost dependencies?
[08:48] <hellhound> i have the dektop package
[08:49] <o0Chris0o> yah what flaccid said
[08:49] <o0Chris0o> :)
[08:50] <jussi01> su-hoens`rZ: have you made a bug report?
[08:50] <jussi01> su-hoens`rZ: if you dont report the bug, it will never get fixed...
[08:51] <o0Chris0o> hellhound: after it installs, it probably wouldn't hurt to restart your system and see if that helps
[08:52] <hellhound> o0Chris0o: i have tried that... i mean it always comes back even when I just logg off and then back on... but I do not want to have to do that each time.  I can also kill kopete and kontact and then restart them and the icons will come back... but i wish there was a way to restart it... killing kicker and restarting it does not help
[08:53] <o0Chris0o> try deleting the toolbar
[08:54] <o0Chris0o> and making a new one
[08:54] <hellhound> o0Chris0o: and do that each time this happens?
[08:54] <crazy_bus> since the edubuntu addon installer works on regular ubuntu. Can it also work on regular kubuntu. Or do you also have to download the normal ubuntu install cd
[08:54] <o0Chris0o> no, try it to see if it works
[08:54] <hellhound> o0Chris0o: it would be easier to just log off and then log back in.
[08:54] <o0Chris0o> have you checked launchpad for bug reports?
[08:55] <o0Chris0o> hellhound: what version of kde do you use?
[08:56] <dhq> my ctrl+w doesnt work in konqueror
[08:56] <o0Chris0o> try resetting the default settings?
[08:57] <dhq> i did that no use
[08:57] <hellhound> o0Chris0o:  kde 3
[08:58] <hellhound> o0Chris0o: 3.5.9 to be exact
[09:01] <o0Chris0o> hellhound: I would try searching http://bugs.kde.org/ I just googled kde system tray bugs and a few sound similar
[09:01] <o0Chris0o> could be bug fixes
[09:01] <o0Chris0o> do you have compiz installed and enabled?
[09:04] <su-hoens`rZ> can someone explain to me how to install libboost-signals-dev
[09:04] <o0Chris0o> sudo apt-get libboost-signals-dev
[09:05] <su-hoens`rZ> yes if it were that simple
[09:05] <su-hoens`rZ> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[09:05] <su-hoens`rZ> libboost-signals-dev: Depends: libboost-dev (= 1.33.1-9ubuntu3.1) but 1.34.1-4ubuntu3 is to be installed
[09:05] <su-hoens`rZ> and that's for aLL of the dev libboost packages, except for libboost-dev
[09:05] <su-hoens`rZ> which is really starting to get irritating
[09:05] <o0Chris0o> so you got the latest?
[09:05] <su-hoens`rZ> i guess
[09:05] <o0Chris0o> why do you want the other then
[09:06] <su-hoens`rZ> because another program depends upon the dev packages?
[09:06] <su-hoens`rZ> and i can't install them
[09:06] <su-hoens`rZ> and i'm getting super frustrated
[09:06] <o0Chris0o> hmm
[09:06] <o0Chris0o> I don't think you can install both
[09:06] <o0Chris0o> I could be wrong
[09:08] <su-hoens`rZ> this is ridiculous
[09:23] <suze> who has iphone?
[09:23] <suze> iphone encoding settings ?
[09:24] <o0Chris0o> wrong place for that
[09:24] <o0Chris0o> !iphone
[09:26] <suze> ...
[09:26] <suze> well using kubuntu ... i want know about iphone and kubuntu of course
[09:28] <JoshOvki> suze: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortableDevices/iPhone
[09:30] <suze> no
[09:30] <suze> that explain only how can i set up
[09:30] <suze> i can set up
[09:31] <suze> i would know how i could encode for iphone
[09:32] <JoshOvki> encode for iphone.... ?
[09:32] <suze> right
[09:32] <llutz> encode what?
[09:32] <suze> video...
[09:34] <llutz> suze: http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2008/04/22/encode-video-for-the-ipod-touch-or-iphone/
[09:37] <suze> ok
[09:37] <suze> ty
[09:37]  * JoshOvki claps to llutz
[09:38] <llutz> google needed 0.07 seconds :)
[09:38] <JoshOvki> llutz: often the way, i just couldnt work out what they wanted
[09:38] <llutz> that's the problem
[09:39] <JoshOvki> google has the answer to most problems, just people are often to lazy to look
[09:39] <Giant_Speck> JFGI.  Amirite?
[09:40] <JoshOvki> lol yeh
[09:44] <scarygary> Morning..
[09:44] <JoshOvki> morning scarygary
[09:44] <scarygary> How do i allow passwordless logins in kde4?
[09:45] <JoshOvki> scarygary: i dont think you can yet
[09:46] <scarygary> Wuut?
[09:46] <JoshOvki> scarygary: unless you edit the config file
[09:46] <scarygary> Np.. Which file? I tried kdmrc, but that didn't work.
[09:47] <JoshOvki> scarygary: clearly not the file i thought it was then
[09:51] <scarygary> Doesn't kde4 have a user management tool? Like guidance for kde3?
[09:52] <JoshOvki> yes, but the auto login section doesnt have an admin button
[09:52] <JoshOvki> System Settings > Adcanced > Login Manager
[09:53] <Jucato> scarygary: kuser
[09:54] <JoshOvki> scarygary: or you can run   sudo /usr/lib/kde4/bin/systemsettings    advanced > login manager
[09:55] <Jucato> JohnFlux_: user management isn't login management though.. unless he meant the same too
[09:55] <usama> I have installed Openoffice 3 beta but I can not find it, where I can locate it?
[09:55] <Jucato> er sorry JohnFlux_ :P
[09:55] <Jucato> JoshOvki: user management isn't login management though.. unless he meant the same too
[09:55] <Dekans> in /opt
[09:55] <Dekans> maybe
[09:55] <prateek> hello everybody
[09:56] <JoshOvki> Jucato: but on the last tab of the management is Convinience where there is a nice button that says autologin
[09:56] <Jucato> JoshOvki, scarygary: in KDE 4, you'll have to run "kdesu systemsettings" (or it's kde4 equivalent) to get admin rights
[09:56] <prateek> i have to type xrandr -s 1024X960 everytime on a boot to get resolution correct...Help!
[09:56] <JoshOvki> Jucato: for kde4 you have to put the full path, otherwise it says command not found. it is a bug (unless they fixed it in 4.0.4)
[09:56] <Jucato> JoshOvki: yeah. but that's separate from user management like the one in kde-guidance for KDE 3
[09:56] <prateek> how do i avoid this
[09:56] <Jucato> JoshOvki: maybe kdesu kde4-systemsettings or something like that
[09:57]  * Jucato doesn't have kde4 in kubuntu
[09:57] <JoshOvki> Jucato:  its   kdesu /usr/lib/kde4/bin/systemsettings
[09:57] <prateek> well
[09:57] <prateek>  i have to type xrandr -s 1024X960 everytime on a boot to get resolution correct...Help!
[09:57] <JoshOvki> i think we have lost scarygary along the way
[09:58] <Jucato> JoshOvki: yes, but Kubuntu has these convenience scripts in /usr/bin with -kde4 or kde4- that runs the kde4 app with the correct environment variables
[09:59] <JoshOvki> Jucato: tryed it both way round and i get command not found. i think its an on going bug in kde4
[09:59] <Jucato> or bug in Kubuntu :)
[10:00] <JoshOvki> Jucato: yeh or that
[10:03] <jussi01> !fixre | prateek
[10:03] <jussi01> !fixres | prateek
[10:05] <prateek> jussi01: my prob is i get my display reverted to 800x600 resolution everytime after boot..i want it to stay to 1024x960...how do i do it..do i have to add a line sumwhere
[10:05] <jussi01> prateek: yes, did you read the link from the bot?
[10:05] <prateek> oops
[10:06] <TimS> I have Java installed, but it does not seem to show up on any webpage. How can I link it into firefox?
[10:07] <Jucato> you need the -plugin package (unless you're on 64-bit)...
[10:07] <TimS> Right, lets open adept
[10:09] <TimS> Jucato: What package is that?
[10:09] <Jucato> sun-java6-plugin (presuming you installed java6)
[10:10] <prateek> jussi01:as soon as i open orkut.com in konqurer, and click on a user's profile konqurer hangs..how can i solve it out?
[10:10] <TimS> !info sun-java6-plugin
[10:10] <TimS> I cant see it in my reppos
[10:10] <prateek> ubottu: Konqurer=hang
[10:10] <TimS> I have bin and jre
[10:11] <Jucato> are you using 64-bit?
[10:11] <prateek> ubottu: konqurer
[10:11] <TimS> No 32
[10:11] <jussi01> !botabuse
[10:11] <Jucato> weird.. it should be there
[10:11] <jussi01> TimS: have you got multiverse enabled?
[10:11] <TimS> Yeah
[10:12] <jussi01> sure you dont have a typo?
[10:12] <Giant_Speck> Prateek, you're spelling it wrong.
[10:12] <Giant_Speck> Konqueror
[10:12] <prateek> Giant_Speck: Oh! i am sorry...gr8 mistake
[10:12] <prateek> Giant_Speck: but the problem persists
[10:12] <TimS> jussi01: Dont think so
[10:13] <prateek> Giant_Speck: is this a bug in Konqurere
[10:13] <prateek> or
[10:13] <jussi01> TimS: curious, its certainly here.
[10:13] <TimS> http://aquate.us/u/javawoe.png
[10:13] <Giant_Speck> prateek:  I don't know anything about Konqueror. I was simply correcting your spelling mistake so that you could get the factoid from ubottu
[10:14] <jussi01> TimS: it doesnt have jre in the name...
[10:14] <TimS> ah
[10:14] <TimS> that was stupid :P
[10:14] <jussi01> hehe
[10:14] <prateek> Giant_Speck: ok..thanks
[10:14] <TimS> But, next issue, its installecd
[10:14] <TimS> installed*
[10:14] <prateek> Giant_Speck: but can u recommend any1 else to help me out...
[10:14] <jussi01> TimS: is it in konq or ff that you have issues?
[10:14] <Giant_Speck> Sorry, no.  I'm not a regular in here.
[10:15] <TimS> ff
[10:15] <Giant_Speck> I don't know anyone in here.
[10:15] <TimS> Well, i haven't looked in konq
[10:15] <jussi01> TimS: I assume you have restarted ff after installing it?
[10:15] <prateek> Giant_Speck: do u use Kubuntu or Konqureor?
[10:15] <TimS> Yeah, it was already installed
[10:15] <Giant_Speck> I use Kubuntu, but I use Firefox for internet and Dolphin for file browsing.
[10:15] <JoshOvki> prateek: kubntu is an operating system  -  konqueror is a user agent (web browser)
[10:16] <prateek> JoshOvki: i know that
[10:16] <JoshOvki> prateek: you question asked if they use  kubuntu or konqueror  tho, makes no sence as they are different things
[10:16] <prateek> JoshOvki: just wanted to know if this problem of mine is experinced by other users too
[10:16] <TimS> jussi01: Nothing in konq either
[10:16] <prateek> JoshOvki: do u use it?
[10:17] <JoshOvki> prateek: at times
[10:17] <JoshOvki> have it open now as it happens
[10:17] <burg> it's like asking if you're using a bicycle or a toaster :)
[10:17] <jussi01> TimS: very weird.
[10:17] <prateek> JoshOvki: plz do one thing..open Orkut.com and try to view anybody's profile
[10:17] <prateek> i wanna chk if u get a freezed browser
[10:17] <prateek> like me
[10:18] <TimS> jussi01: I had OpenJDK that came with hardy, but I removed it and I think this may have caused the problem
[10:18] <prateek> JoshOvki: well
[10:19] <jussi01> TimS: try this: sudo update-alternatives --config java
[10:19] <JoshOvki> prateek: ok i shalll take a look now
[10:19] <prateek> JoshOvki: those ppl who have APPS feature turned on
[10:19] <JoshOvki> prateek: what is this site? im rather reluctant to put in my gmail details
[10:20] <TimS> Nope, about:plugins does not list java
[10:20] <Giant_Speck> JoshOvki: I think it's like Yahoo! Groups, only for Google
[10:21] <prateek> plz wait
[10:21] <prateek> http://www.orkut.com/Scrapbook.aspx?uid=1616918866211158258
[10:21] <jussi01> TimS: try purgin the plugin and reinstalling it
[10:21] <JoshOvki> prateek: hasnt crashed for me
[10:21] <prateek> JoshOvki: open this thing..it will do safely..but then click
[10:21] <TimS> I tried a reinstall, what does purge do?
[10:22] <prateek> to view Profile of the person
[10:22] <tuanpham> there is any one know how to play .3gp file in kubuntu ?
[10:22] <JoshOvki> prateek: it opened fine
[10:22] <prateek> http://www.orkut.com/Profile.aspx?uid=1616918866211158258
[10:22] <prateek> this thing
[10:22] <JoshOvki> tuanpham: try vlc
[10:23] <Giant_Speck> It does lock up Konqueror.
[10:23] <Giant_Speck> Just tried it.
[10:23] <JoshOvki> prateek: doesnt lock up mine either
[10:23] <prateek> Giant_Speck: freezed!
[10:23] <jussi01> TimS: completely removes
[10:23] <prateek> JoshOvki: Kubuntu 7.10 Beta?
[10:23] <TimS> Ok
[10:24] <prateek> Giant_Speck: ur browser freezed..is it responding
[10:24] <tuanpham> thank
[10:24] <TimS> I've purged, now I reinstall
[10:24] <JoshOvki> prateek: kubuntu hardy with kde4
[10:24] <Giant_Speck> The site freezes in Konqueror, but loads perfectly in Firefox.
[10:24] <jussi01> Does anyone know how to disable the system speaker?
[10:24] <JoshOvki> 8.04
[10:24] <prateek> Giant_Speck: yup! dats a BUG!
[10:24] <jussi01> TimS: correct
[10:24] <Jucato> jussi01: system beep in Konsole?
[10:24] <TimS> Nope :(
[10:25] <prateek> JoshOvki: urs has bugs removed...i need to update..
[10:25] <Giant_Speck> I think it's because Flash doesn't work too well in Konqueror, IMO.
[10:25] <prateek> Giant_Speck: its no flash...
[10:25] <prateek> its something far more complex..orkut takes data from other servers
[10:25] <jussi01> Jucato: no, the sytem speaker keeps being used for random stuff - ie startup sounds, a really annoying beep when playing pioneers etc
[10:26] <Giant_Speck> And maybe Konqueror can't handle the complexity of it.
[10:26] <Jucato> startup sounds? :O
[10:26] <Giant_Speck> It doesn't support it yet.
[10:26] <prateek> http://www.orkut.com/Profile.aspx?uid=1616918866211158258
[10:26] <prateek> Dont open it
[10:26] <prateek> Giant_Speck: thanks man...now i have lesser regrets for shifting to Kubuntu
[10:27] <Jucato> it's not like we can open it w/o an orkut account :)
[10:27] <prateek> Jucato: :)
[10:27] <Giant_Speck> Yeah.  If you plan on using that website frequently, you may want to install Firefox instead.
[10:28] <prateek> Giant_Speck: but see i have heard that to install firefox i need to get lot of dependencies too so my system will clutter up and may become slow and unstable
[10:28] <Jucato> not true
[10:29] <Giant_Speck> sudo apt-get install firefox
[10:29] <Giant_Speck> That's it.
[10:29] <Giant_Speck> Nothing else to it, really.
[10:29] <prateek> dont we have to get Gnome for it...
[10:29] <prateek> or GTK
[10:29] <Giant_Speck> Though, if you are using Kubuntu, shouldn't Firefox already be installed?
[10:29] <scarygary> I'm back..
[10:29] <prateek> or something starting from G
[10:29] <scarygary> What did i miss..
[10:29] <Jucato> prateek: you won't get GNOME for it
[10:29] <Jucato> prateek: and GTK is not that much
[10:30] <prateek> Jucato: GTK is equivalent to .NET?
[10:30] <Giant_Speck> Firefox is a GTK program, but will definitely run in KDE.
[10:30] <Jucato> prateek: um.. no
[10:30] <prateek> then
[10:30] <Jucato> (wherever did you get that idea?)
[10:30] <prateek> is it as enviroment itself?
[10:30] <Jucato> no
[10:31] <prateek> then is it like JAVA?
[10:31] <neoz> scuse me,i'm a italian newb.
[10:31] <Jucato> no
[10:31] <Jucato> it's a toolkit/library, like Qt, which KDE uses
[10:31] <Giant_Speck> Correct me if I am wrong, please, but GTK programs are designed for the GNOME desktop environment and KDE programs are designed for the KDE desktop environment.
[10:31] <Jucato> it's not like Java or .NET
[10:31] <Jucato> Giant_Speck: not necessarily
[10:31] <prateek> Giant_Speck: Yes thats less confusing
[10:31] <Jucato> there are GTK apps that are not designed for GNOME
[10:31] <prateek> Jucato: then what it can it be compared too
[10:32] <prateek> i think PidGin uses GTK too
[10:32] <Jucato> GNOME uses the GTK+ toolkit. KDE uses the Qt toolkit
[10:32] <Jucato> Pidgin, GIMP, Inkscape
[10:32] <scarygary> I didn't mean login management btw..
[10:32] <Jucato> they all use GTK+
[10:32] <scarygary> I meant user management.
[10:32] <Giant_Speck> And they will run on Kubuntu.
[10:32] <Jucato> scarygary: just as I thought. kuser-kde4 then
[10:33] <scarygary> I don't have that on my system?!
[10:33] <Jucato> then install it :)
[10:33] <Jucato> !info kuser-kde4
[10:33] <prateek> Giant_Speck: just tell me if i want to just get the package downloded and not install it, what command am i gonna type...for firefox
[10:33] <JoshOvki> neoz: you may want to try  #kubuntu-it
[10:33] <Giant_Speck> prateek: to install Firefox?
[10:34] <Giant_Speck> Oh, wait.
[10:34] <scarygary> Ahh.. I figured it was part of kde4, but ok. I'll install it .
[10:34] <Giant_Speck> You just want the package, but you don't want to install it?
[10:34] <prateek> Giant_Speck: so that i can install it on a Internet-Less PC too
[10:34] <Giant_Speck> You'd have to check the Mozilla website for a downloadable version of Firefox.
[10:35] <Jucato> !aptoncd
[10:36] <The_ManU_212> hi
[10:36] <The_ManU_212> arecord: pcm_read:1347: Lesefehler: Input/output error
[10:36] <The_ManU_212> i cant record from mic
[10:36] <The_ManU_212> i use hardy heron
[10:36] <The_ManU_212> it seems to be a bug becasue audacity also doesnt work?!
[10:37] <scarygary> kuser worked great, but i still can't enable passwordless logins in kdm
[10:37] <Giant_Speck> Jucato: So basically, that program takes the packages you already have on your computer and allows you to put them on a CD or DVD so that you can install the programs on another computer with Ubuntu (or Kubuntu, Xubuntu, etc.) without needing the internet to get the packages?
[10:37] <scarygary> I checked the enable password-less logins in the Login manager, but no go.
[10:37] <jussi01> Giant_Speck: yep
[10:37] <Giant_Speck> That's rather nifty.
[10:38] <jussi01> Giant_Speck: it basically create a repository on the cd
[10:39] <Giant_Speck> Therefore you can install a program on a computer that does not have internet access, given that you have all the dependencies required for the intsallation of that program.
[10:40] <Giant_Speck> installation*
[10:40] <harolddong> is there a reason why, since updating to 4.04, that some qt4 apps seem to use my my qt3 color theme and others dont?
[10:41] <jussi01> Giant_Speck: correct, and apt on cd should help get the deps also
[10:50] <Kanashimi> Hello there, I'm trying out the 8.04 KDE4 Mix version. I accidentally ended up removing the taskbar widget from the bottom panel and now all the others are on the wrong side. Is there a way to just move them? Right clicking, dragging or what not doesn't seem to work.
[10:50] <jussi01> Kanashimi: no there isnt atm. if you join #kubuntu-kde4 Ill give you some more info
[10:52] <Kanashimi> Hum, alright.
[10:54] <ch3ch3> re
[10:56] <jussi01> ch3ch3: can we help you?
[11:03] <The_ManU_212> arecord: pcm_read:1347: Lesefehler: Input/output error
[11:03] <The_ManU_212> it seems to be a bug becasue audacity also doesnt work?!
[11:03] <The_ManU_212> i use hardy heron
[11:10] <godlyserver> mooma ling ling
[11:25] <PolitikerNEU> hi everyone, I got the following problem: Even though compiz works, I haven't got any direct rendering (glxinfo | grep direct) and some games don't work (using nvidia proprietary driver)
[11:34] <TheFuzzball> does anyone know if I can use an Apple Remote with a Thinkpad's IR reciever?
[11:36] <gilo> everyone's dead around here man
[11:37] <TheFuzzball> indeed
[11:38] <jussi01> !weekend
[11:38] <gilo> ok
[11:39] <gilo> i guess im going to get drunk then
[11:42] <Dr_willis> Hmm.., its almost 7 am here. :)
[11:42] <sacha_> gah updated krita and now it crashes
[11:54] <ch3ch3> je comprends pas tout à linux
[11:54] <ch3ch3> :o
[11:55] <ch3ch3> est ce que j'ai KDE ou bien GNOME sous kubuntu
[11:55] <SlimeyPete> !french
[12:06] <godlyserver> is it normal rfor a comp to run a lot hotter on linux than XP ?
[12:06] <JoshOvki> godlyserver: my pc usualy runs cooler
[12:06] <godlyserver> its a acer aspire notebook aaall seems to run ok but really hot near the cd/ram
[12:06] <JoshOvki> i switch to XPfor the winter to help heat the place
[12:06] <godlyserver> lol
[12:07] <xsacha> godlyserver: that would probably mean that it is using more electricity
[12:07] <xsacha> try running intel's PowerTop to see what is sucking up all your power
[12:07] <godlyserver> amd
[12:07] <xsacha> it can give really good suggestions
[12:07] <xsacha> it's a program made by intel, works on all computers godlyserver
[12:07] <godlyserver> submerge in cooking oil
[12:08] <godlyserver> ok great than you
[12:08] <xsacha> they just released a latencytop as well
[12:08] <xsacha> nice little linux programs with very good suggestions :)
[12:08] <godlyserver> oki doki
[12:09] <xsacha> do the suggestions it tells you and your notebook should be running cool and battery life going way up
[12:09] <xsacha> someone on here before said they went from 3 hour battery life to 8 hour or something
[12:09] <xsacha> they had to recompile kernel too though
[12:10] <mandje> where can i find kubuntu 7.10 cd images?
[12:10] <xsacha> you want to downgrade to 7.10?
[12:10] <xsacha> 7.10 will still be on every mirrors http and ftp
[12:11] <JoshOvki> mandje: why do you want to downgrade?
[12:12] <mandje> its for use with linuxmce 7.10
[12:13] <JoshOvki> mandje: what country are you in?
[12:13] <xsacha> US for example: http://ubuntu-releases.cs.umn.edu/kubuntu/7.10/
[12:13] <JoshOvki> UK is  http://ubuntu.virginmedia.com/releases/kubuntu/gutsy/
[12:13] <mandje> JoshOvki: holland  but tnx  i got it already..
[12:13] <mandje> yeah nl.releases. etc.
[12:13] <JoshOvki> kk
[12:13] <JoshOvki> :)
[12:14] <xsacha> i think every mirror has all releases back to 6.06
[12:14] <JoshOvki> yeh
[12:14] <JoshOvki> just support will stop for it
[12:14] <mandje> it's just the download pages on the kubuntu site don't give you all the version options.
[12:15] <mandje> just 8.04 and 6.06
[12:15] <JoshOvki> mandje: http://nl.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/7.10/   still has it but you need to change the URL
[12:15] <neoz> hi
[12:15] <neoz> scuse me
[12:16] <JoshOvki> hi neoz
[12:16] <godlyserver> thank you xsacha i will give it a go as everything is way cooler apart from one section i guess its the ram
[12:16] <neoz> don't speak engl.
[12:16] <neoz> italian?
[12:16] <JoshOvki> !it
[12:16] <mandje> JoshOvki: the url which starts the download coz the page is ok
[12:16] <neoz> !it
[12:17] <xsacha> godlyserver: hot ram? :\.. more likely the cpu, videocard or harddrive.. something using a lot of electricity anyway
[12:17] <neoz> in the italian channel can't       help
[12:18] <neoz> can i ask the quest?
[12:18] <helowo> This sounds dumb, but via a GUI, how does one create a new user?
[12:18] <JoshOvki> neoz: ask in the best english you can
[12:18] <helowo> I swear, there's something broken about kuser
[12:18] <neoz> ok
[12:19] <JoshOvki> helowo: kde3 or 4?
[12:19] <helowo> either, actually
[12:19] <godlyserver> ok just installing the powertop lets find out
[12:19] <JoshOvki> i will let you know in kde3 (once ive booted my desktop)
[12:19] <JoshOvki> because im not 100% sure in kde4
[12:20]  * JoshOvki is worried about his HD
[12:21] <helowo> as in HDD? something RW heads sticking to platters?
[12:21] <JoshOvki> helowo:  doesnt sound like that, sounds like a bearing going
[12:21] <neoz> could tell me how I install my terratec phase 24 firewire on ubuntu ? only you can help me
[12:21] <helowo> haha, i have a laptop to my left I just got done doing data recovery on so that's funny
[12:22] <xsacha> <-- has never had or seen a computer with firewire before except macs
[12:22] <helowo> bad hdd, corrupted data.. carved out some jpg files... all that fun
[12:22]  * helowo is on a laptop with a firewire port
[12:22] <helowo> it's a dell inspiron 9300
[12:23] <helowo> most laptops have then that i see.. except ultra business class dell's etc
[12:23] <JoshOvki> helowo: do you have Users and Groupd in System?
[12:24] <helowo> no
[12:24] <helowo> I hit ctrl+f2 and found kusers.. but tha's cumbersom to use (and apparently broken)
[12:24] <helowo> *cumbersome
[12:24] <JoshOvki> always make one by command line
[12:25] <xsacha> it takes about 5 seconds max by commandline
[12:25] <xsacha> i mean there's not even any options you need to set
[12:25] <xsacha> just user and pass
[12:25] <helowo> ... i swear, it's like nothing works in kde. I've been trying to get stuff going for 3 weeks now lol
[12:26] <JoshOvki> lol
[12:26] <JoshOvki> plenty works for me
[12:26] <xsacha> no probs here
[12:26] <helowo> ....right.
[12:26] <xsacha> kopete is crashing in my kde4 but other than that all good
[12:26] <JoshOvki> just need to be flexiable
[12:26] <xsacha> using different im
[12:26] <helowo> do me a favour, run kuser-kde4
[12:27] <helowo> does that work?
[12:27] <xsacha> no such file
[12:27] <neoz> mine is a personal computer and I need know how the card is installed.
[12:28] <xsacha> helowo: i need to install kuser-kde4, hang on
[12:28] <JoshOvki> works here
[12:28] <xsacha> just a note: having a gui for creating a username & password is probably the last thing on everyones todo list
[12:28] <xsacha> its just one commandline
[12:28] <helowo> see, after a few weeks at this, i've found that nobody actually uses the GUI at all.
[12:29] <JoshOvki> i use the GUI a fair bit, just i can go over to command line when i need to
[12:29] <xsacha> adduser sacha    <-- in a terminal, is that too hard?
[12:29] <xsacha> you need a GUI for this? please
[12:29] <helowo> xsacha, not sure how to take that
[12:29] <xsacha> thats it.. adduser then the name
[12:30] <JoshOvki> xsacha: sudo first correct?
[12:30] <helowo> see, this appears to be the problem with linux atm.
[12:30] <xsacha> yeah
[12:30] <helowo> nobody actually sees a need for a gui
[12:30] <helowo> gui is intuitive
[12:30] <xsacha> helowo: well the thing is that the GUI actually exists
[12:30] <xsacha> but anyone with a clue knows they dont need it
[12:30] <xsacha> but the gui is there and it works fine
[12:30] <xsacha> ill screenshot it for you
[12:31] <JoshOvki> helowo: open terminal and run  sudo /usr/lib/kde4/bin/kuser   see if it works
[12:31] <xsacha> yeah works fine
[12:31] <helowo> *sigh*... i don't know why i get such hostility about stuff that doesn't work
[12:31] <xsacha> it does work :P
[12:31] <helowo> sudo /usr/lib/kde4/bin/kuser is what i'm running
[12:31] <xsacha> well you have done something weird im guessin?
[12:31] <JoshOvki> how was i ment to know that?  no error messages in terminal
[12:31] <xsacha> do you get an error?
[12:32] <helowo> no, i create a user
[12:32] <helowo> i click apply
[12:32] <neoz> thank you bye
[12:32] <xsacha> helowo: http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/6397/userra0.png
[12:32] <helowo> i look at what's created, and it has a.) no groups selected b.) no UID c.) the password is blank d.) no home dir is created... etc
[12:32] <helowo> something's wonkey
[12:33] <xsacha> helowo: sounds fine to me
[12:33] <neoz> xsacha i can ask  you?
[12:33] <xsacha> helowo: no groups by default, uid it does have, just next in line, home dir is associated but not created, password can be created by the user
[12:34] <xsacha> neoz: i dont know answer sorry, i dont know any machines with firewire :(
[12:34] <helowo> no, password is set
[12:34] <helowo> then it goes blank
[12:34] <helowo> it's a god damned bug
[12:34] <JoshOvki> helowo: if you press reload does it show up?
[12:34] <neoz> xsacha another channel for this?
[12:34] <xsacha> helowo: are you sure you are running it as sudo?
[12:34] <helowo> no, good q josh
[12:34] <JoshOvki> helowo: post a god dab bug report then
[12:34] <xsacha> neoz: #linux
[12:34] <helowo> well, see as xsacha said, nobody cares
[12:34] <helowo> i'm just some stupid user for wanting a gui
[12:35] <helowo> this seems futile
[12:35] <helowo> if there's a hostile, anti-social dick faced attitude about a good user experience then f* it then
[12:35] <xsacha> helowo: the end aim is to have a GUI for everything but there are more important things right now
[12:35] <JoshOvki> did hitting reload make it show up?
[12:35] <helowo> 3 weeks of effort for vaporware
[12:35] <xsacha> helowo: the GUI works for me
[12:35] <xsacha> helowo: you just have to submit a bug report if it doesnt work for you and wait for fix
[12:35] <xsacha> helowo: either that, or fix yourself if you can code
[12:36] <xsacha> helowo: at the moment there is a very simple workaround, so thats why it wont be fixed instantly (you can just type `adduser name')
[12:36] <xsacha> im not sure if there even is a bug or maybe you just didnt type sudo
[12:36] <helowo> xsacha, you can't read
[12:37] <helowo> i'm setting you to ignore
[12:37] <helowo> you have issues tonight or something
[12:37] <helowo> you've been helpful in the past, and friendly
[12:37] <xsacha> ?!
[12:37] <helowo> and right now, idk wtheck
[12:37] <xsacha> i read it
[12:37] <JoshOvki> helowo: being rude is not a way to get help
[12:37] <helowo> xsacha is being rude, not me
[12:37] <helowo> read back
[12:37] <xsacha> twice
[12:38] <xsacha> im using the same distro as you. it works here. its not a random app, it should work the same everywhere. it's a very simple role that the app fills (one line in console).
[12:38] <JoshOvki> helowo: i dont see how he is being rude by suggesting a very simple work around that is using terminal
[12:38] <helowo> if your mentality is "[04:28] <xsacha> just a note: having a gui for creating a username & password is probably the last thing on everyones todo list" and "[04:29] <xsacha> you need a GUI for this? please" then just leave me alone. i don't need to be bullied, i need some advise
[12:39] <xsacha> while the aim is to have every role filled by a GUI. if there is a bug, it wont be fixed instantly as there are more important ones. just warning you about this
[12:39] <helowo> right, well your attitude was very clear 6 minutes ago
[12:39] <helowo> i don't appreciate it
[12:39] <helowo> this isn't my own selfish want
[12:39] <helowo> i'm trying to get things working for avg end users
[12:39] <JoshOvki> helowo: but helowo he is right, you dont need a gui to do that. If there is a bug, post a bug report
[12:39] <helowo> your presumptuousness is astounding
[12:40] <xsacha> what im saying is you can wait til this is fixed. you dont NEED the GUI. theres a very simple workaround in the meanwhile
[12:40] <helowo> yeah, i've already done the bug report thing
[12:40] <helowo> the mentality appears, as you say, that it's low priority
[12:40] <helowo> i only mentioned it here because using kuser seemed wrong annd i wanted to double check
[12:40] <xsacha> im not the one who fixes bugs. im just explaining to you that it will be low priority
[12:40] <helowo> (ie there might be some wizard i missed etc)
[12:41] <xsacha> yeah we installed and tested the app and it worked as expected here. asked if you used sudo or not
[12:41] <helowo> well, ya'll could read "How to win friends and influence people" by dale carnegie or something.. dang.
[12:41] <JoshOvki> ok, lets just chill here
[12:41] <helowo> i really, sincerely am trying to
[12:42] <helowo> and xsacha, weren't we talking rather cordially in compiz-fusion just yesterday?
[12:42] <JoshOvki> helowo: what happens when you press reload, does the user showup? what i noticed when i created on with it it made a dupilcate ID, that needs to be changed to a uniqe one
[12:42] <xsacha> yeah, i had the same attitude then as i do now too
[12:43]  * helowo added xsacha!* to your ignore list.
[12:43] <helowo> good q josh0vki, i did try manually  changing it afterward
[12:43] <helowo>  /refresh
[12:43] <helowo> no go
[12:44] <xsacha> ...
[12:44] <xsacha> lol, you asked that question 3 times josh. he decided to read what we were responding now. *sigh* wonder why he went off at me
[12:44] <helowo> it appears a bit broken and so long as ther's not an alternative (i could have sworn i'd used something else a bit ago... might be thinking of a different DE) then I guess I'll need to set these things up ahead or train others about using a command line...
[12:45] <xsacha> JoshOvki: tell him he doesnt need to use a commandline for one-liners, you can run them in application launcher like krunner (alt+f2)
[12:46] <xsacha> if it really is a barrier for staff
[12:47] <helowo> josh0vki: can I pm you rather briefly?
[12:48] <JoshOvki> helowo: aslong as it is not to complain about xsacha
[12:48] <helowo> no
[12:48] <JoshOvki> sure
[12:49] <JoshOvki> xsacha: its an option, i can just see him agreeing to using it
[12:49] <wirechief-intel> helowo see item 5 http://www.linux.com/articles/54945
[12:52] <helowo> that's a nify article wirechief-intel
[12:53] <helowo> it's probably not 100% germane to the issue i'm facing, but handy nonetheless
[12:54] <JoshOvki> anyway i gotta head off
[12:54] <helowo> alright, josh0vki, i tried pm you then realised i wasn't logged in so nm
[12:55] <JoshOvki> lol ok
[12:55] <helowo> it was a longwinded apology of sorts, not worth repeating
[12:55] <helowo> thanks for the effort to help just the same
[12:55] <JoshOvki> helowo: sorry we couldnt come to the bottom of the problem
[12:55] <JoshOvki> catch ya all later
[12:55] <helowo> yeah, cya
[13:15] <Tm_T> hi kids
[13:16] <jussi01> afternoon daddy
[13:16] <sarva> h
[13:24] <Matiee> Hi to all.
[13:24] <Matiee> I've got a question about KDE and hidden files.
[13:24] <Matiee> is someone there that can help me with this?
[13:29] <giacomo> !it
[13:43] <pjfloyd> with kubuntu 8.04
[13:44] <pjfloyd> my shell is ksh
[13:44] <pjfloyd> if I run 'top', it doesn't respond correctly to 'q'
[13:44] <pjfloyd> and not even to ctrl-z or ctrl-d
[13:44] <pjfloyd> both in xterm abd konsole
[13:44] <pjfloyd> man top says
[13:45] <pjfloyd> man: command exited with status 256: pager -s
[13:46] <giacomo_> !it
[13:46] <pjfloyd> When I had the default bash as my shell, command line completion was broken - M-Esc did not complete until after I typed another letter (e.g. space)
[13:49] <pjfloyd> ctrl-v doesn't show ksh's version
[13:51] <brazh> hi. could anyone help me about icq-clients? i tried Kopete, sim and licq. licq seems to be best choice for me of these, but i haven't seen clients, which will have the same functionality as qip
[13:52] <pjfloyd> is the console in kubuntu simply broken?
[13:52] <xsacha> brazh: i dont use ICQ. what functionality is it you want?
[13:53] <xsacha> pjfloyd: dont think so.. im using kde4 version so i cant say for sure. but you'd hear a roar of complaints if console didnt work :\
[13:53] <pjfloyd> this is with kde4
[13:53] <pjfloyd> I'm not saying it doesn't work
[13:54] <pjfloyd> just that it doesn't work _right_
[13:54] <xsacha> oh ok, well kde4 comes with 2 konsoles..
[13:54] <xsacha> one based on qt3 and another based on qt4.. which one isnt working properly?
[13:54] <pjfloyd> nothing! not even xterm
[13:54] <xsacha> so "echo hi" doesnt work?
[13:54] <brazh> xsacha: i need a program, which will allow me to edit my contact list without bugs, has notifications like licq (qip), has plugins
[13:55] <pjfloyd> ctrl-z doesn't work
[13:55] <xsacha> brazh: have you tried licq on kubuntu?
[13:56] <xsacha> pjfloyd: they are all working here :\
[13:56] <pjfloyd> nor ctrl-d not ctrl-c
[13:56] <xsacha> pjfloyd: is this just straight after install, none of the konsoles working? or have you done some stuff?
[13:57] <brazh> xsacha: i've already said that i'd tried Kopete, sim and licq. now i'm using licq, but it is terrible action to edit contact list because of bugs!
[13:57] <xsacha> oh ok
[13:57] <pjfloyd> Installed 7.10, upgraded to 8.04, added a few packages, but otherwise, haven't done much
[13:57] <xsacha> pjfloyd: ahh, the upgrade path might have done it
[13:57] <xsacha> unexpected things can happen in upgrades
[13:58] <xsacha> brazh: ow ok. what version are you using?   licq --version i think
[13:58] <GTS> Could some1 help me
[13:58] <xsacha> brazh: are you on KDE4 because there is a Qt4 version of licq now that isnt in kubuntu  by default
[13:59] <xsacha> its a different GUI, so it might not have the contact list bug?
[13:59] <brazh> xsacha: last version - 1.3.5. no, i use kubuntu 8.04 with kde 3.5.9
[13:59] <xsacha> ok
[14:00] <nathanmarck> Could someone help me: ive downloaded kubuntu and im getting this weird thing on the screen its like all weird screen is messed up almost impossible to see what im doing
[14:00] <xsacha> brazh: have you tried psi?
[14:00] <nathanmarck> PSI? isnt that a type of energy
[14:01] <brazh> xsacha: psi? what is it?
[14:01] <Xanatos> are 3.5 and 4 KDE able to be installed at the same time, and if so how do you choose between?
[14:01] <xsacha> actualyl nvm, i think it only does jabber sorry
[14:01] <xsacha> Xanatos: you can run kde3 applications on kde4
[14:02] <Dr_willis> Xanatos,  the kdm login screen has a session for each one.
[14:02] <xsacha> alternatively, you can have a kde3 and a kde4 environment installed and alternate between them using a session manager
[14:02] <xsacha> (kdm)
[14:02] <Xanatos> ah alright, thats what i'm after, thanks
[14:02] <Dr_willis> kde4 is still very much a work in progress
[14:03] <Xanatos> yeah, but it has some nice features, just want to give it a test run
[14:03] <xsacha> brazh: i think anything that runs jabber can connect to icq
[14:04] <brazh> xsacha: really?
[14:04] <xsacha> using XMPP
[14:04] <xsacha> brazh: read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabber#Connecting_to_other_protocols
[14:04] <xsacha> brazh: also, pidgin can do icq
[14:05] <brazh> xsacha: thanks
[14:07] <xsacha> brazh: basically, create jabber account, connect to a jabber->icq gateway and provide it with your ICQ login and then you have ICQ.
[14:08] <xsacha> (if you cant find a good icq client)
[14:08] <BluesKaj> howdy
[14:09] <brazh> xsacha: ok. but it seems like running on crutches :)
[14:10] <xsacha> a lot of new IMs are doing this thing with supporting Jabber only
[14:11] <xsacha> since jabber can communicate to other protocols using a gateway. they give an example of each protocol on their website. here's the ICQ one:
[14:11] <xsacha> For ICQ, the format is 'UIN@icq.gateway'. For example, if your UIN of your friend is '1277851', then his translated Jabber � ID is: '1277851@icq.gateway'
[14:11] <xsacha> im guessing that means you'd have to add ALL of your friends to your jabber account though :(
[14:12] <brazh> xsacha: mmm... :(
[14:13] <splodger15> hello , I would like to install this theme: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Die+Hard+4.0+-+Matthew+Farrel's+theme+(E?content=66714  but I am not sure on how to do it has anyone got any advice on how to do it thanks in advance
[14:13] <xsacha> brazh: does pidgin work for you?
[14:14] <xsacha> splodger15: that is an emerald theme. it only works with compiz-fusion
[14:14] <xsacha> splodger15: if you use compiz-fusion, open up emerald-theme-manager and then click Import and then open that file
[14:15] <brazh> xsacha: i haven't try pidgin yet
[14:21] <xsacha> brazh: just a note that gmail is a jabber-enabled service
[14:21] <xsacha> so if you have a  whatever@gmail.com, you have a jabber account
[14:23] <brazh> xsacha: oh! i have gmail-account :)
[14:23] <xsacha> well thats a jabber account :)
[14:32] <brazh> xsacha: thanks
[14:40] <f2b> hi@all
[14:45] <BluesKaj> hmm , I have the new version of google-earth and it rocks , but I have to run it as root. It seems a lot of beta apps have to be run that way. What's the best way set it up to run as user ?
[14:51] <Dr_willis> Odd that it needs to be ran as root.
[14:52] <gokhan_> hi
[14:52] <gokhan_> everyone
[14:52] <Dr_willis> I normally get the google earth stuff from google  and install them as a user, for my single user. that way the user can update it easier.
[14:55] <Nyad> Hi. I just installed slackware and I didn't install a LILO for it. How do I make my grub on kubuntu pick up slack?
[14:56] <xsacha> edit the menu.lst in /boot/grub/
[14:57] <xsacha> or run the autoupdate
[14:57] <Nyad> what is this autoupdate? where?
[14:57] <Nyad> sounds interesting
[14:58] <xsacha> Nyad: sudo update-grub
[14:59] <Nyad> tnx
[15:01] <Nyad> xsacha: my menu.lst file doesn't have any evidence slack anywhere. Did I need to install LILO on the slack partition?
[15:01] <Nyad> or make it bootable?
[15:02] <xsacha> wont need lilo. if it is installed, it should already be bootable
[15:02] <xsacha> update-grub didnt pick up slack?
[15:02] <xsacha> it wont call it slack, but maybe Other Linux Distribution?
[15:02] <crazy_bus> how exactly do I get more than one desktop in compiz.  Selecting more than 1 in the kicker pager does nothing.  And compizconfig won't let me select more than one
[15:03] <Nyad> nothing, just ubuntu and windows. also the kernel for my slack is 2.6.21 so I would easily notice it but no luck
[15:03] <Nyad> perhaps I should do it manually
[15:03] <Odd-rationale> crazy_bus: in the compizconfig, go to general options and in the desktop size tab, set the horizontal=4, vertical=1, and No. of desktops=1
[15:04] <xsacha> Nyad: menu.lst is easy enough to edit manually
[15:04] <darkwolf> hey everyone, I have Vmware Server Console Version 1.0.5; is this the latest version available for Kubuntu?
[15:05] <crazy_bus> Odd-rationale: I did that and now I have two wide desktops on kicker.  But they don't work when I click on them
[15:06] <Odd-rationale> crazy_bus: you set hor=4, ver=1 and no.or desktops =1 ?
[15:06] <Dr_willis> some times the ccsm tool settings dont always get read/used for me under  kde.
[15:07] <crazy_bus> Odd-rationale: yes
[15:08] <Odd-rationale> crazy_bus: if you use ctrl+alt+left-mouse-button-hold-and-move-mouse-around do you have a cube?
[15:08] <Nyad> xsacha: my partition is sdb5, what would I put in menu.lst for that?
[15:08] <Dr_willis> a 2 sided cube :)
[15:09] <crazy_bus> Odd-rationale: I just got that then by choosing the rotate cube plugin.  However I still only have two desktops on the pager while I have four sides to the cube
[15:09] <sigma_1234> where can i learn how to write programs in qt?
[15:10] <Odd-rationale> crazy_bus: yes, exactly what i thought...the kde pager doesn't intergrate well with compiz...
[15:10] <giacomo> !it
[15:10] <sigma_1234> !qt
[15:11] <Jucato> sigma_1234: doc.trolltech.com has some pretty good tutorials. and there's a #qt channel too
[15:11] <Jucato> sigma_1234: oh, and you might want to start off with Qt 4 instead (install libqt4-dev I thnk)
[15:12] <Jucato> !info libqt4-dev
[15:12] <xsacha> sigma_1234: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4
[15:12] <Jucato> (Qt 4.4 is available from hardy-backports)
[15:13] <crazy_bus> I selected cube-gears.  But I only have yellow on the top and buttom of the cube.  Is this normal (The cube caps is deselected)
[15:13] <BluesKaj> Jucato, I have an app that won't run as user even tho I did chmod +x during the install .. It's not a real big deal, but it would be nice just click the icon on the desktop rather than launch it as root from the konsole.
[15:14] <xsacha> crazy_bus: is that qtdemo?
[15:14] <Sneedley> hello all, im new to this freedom of linux so im not sure about the rules yet, I'm attempting to install nvidia drivers, I type in terminal then it come up and says it must be run in Root.  What is this root and how do i run things in on or as it
[15:14] <SlimeyPete> root is the admin account. It's not enabled in kubuntu. Use sudo instead:
[15:14] <SlimeyPete> !sudo
[15:14] <Dr_willis> Sneedley,  you did try installing the nvidia drivers that are in the package manager?
[15:14] <SlimeyPete> however:
[15:14] <crazy_bus> xsacha: not sure what this is.  I selected it in compizconfig
[15:14] <SlimeyPete> !nvidia
[15:15] <SlimeyPete> Sneedley: it is best to use the Restricted Hardware Manager in System Settings for installing your nvidia driver
[15:15] <xsacha> crazy_bus: oh sorry nevermin
[15:15] <Sneedley> Dr_willis: no  Where are they?
[15:16] <Jucato> BluesKaj: KDE 3? can you create a Link to Application and fill in the details?
[15:16] <Dr_willis> Sneedley,  notice the !nvidia  :) notice the bot givbing some url info? :)  There is also a 'restricted driver tool' that is supposed to auto-download  and install them for you. Whats your exact video card?
[15:16] <Dr_willis> !nvidia | Sneedley
[15:17] <Odd-rationale> crazy_bus: yes, you need cube caps enabled...
[15:17] <Sneedley> Dr_willis:  nice ill check that out
[15:18] <Dr_willis> Sneedley,  i forget the exact location to the tool. its called like 'hardware driver maanger' or somthing in the menus
[15:18] <BluesKaj> Jucato, ok , I followed this tutorial , but the result wasn't as predicted, http://linuxpoison.blogspot.com/2008/05/install-google-earth-on-linux.html,
[15:18] <crazy_bus> Odd-rationale: found it now
[15:18] <Jucato> Sneedley, Dr_willis: K Menu -> System Settings -> Advanced tab -> Restricted Drivers/Manager?
[15:18] <Odd-rationale> crazy_bus: ok
[15:19] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  i thouhg it was called somthing other then 'restricted' under hardy
[15:19] <Jucato> let me double check
[15:20] <Jucato> BluesKaj: no idea really... sorry..
[15:20] <xsacha> Nyad: by the way, this is way easier than editing menu.lst: http://qt-apps.org/content/show.php/QGRUBEditor?content=60391
[15:21] <Jucato> Dr_willis, Sneedley: ah. K Menu -> System -> Hardware Drivers Manager
[15:22] <BluesKaj> Jucato, ok ..strange that the tutorial tells us that the desktop icon will work but clicking on it all gives is this error : file /home/kaj/Desktop/Google-googleearth.desktop has no Type=... entry.
[15:22] <Jucato> BluesKaj: in that case, the problem seems to be from Google's .dekstop file...
[15:22] <crazy_bus> I used beryl a long time ago and there was an option to make closed menus and windows burn up.  Is that still there as I can't find it
[15:22] <BluesKaj> ok Jucato , I'll look at that
[15:22] <Sneedley> Dr_willis: what is this k menu you speak of
[15:23] <BluesKaj> thx
[15:23] <xsacha> crazy_bus: Animation plugin
[15:23] <Jucato> Sneedley: K Menu, KDE's "Start" menu
[15:23] <Jucato> the icon with the K and gear at the lower left corner of the screen
[15:24] <Dr_willis> Isent there a big K on the button?
[15:24] <Dr_willis> :)
[15:24] <crazy_bus> xsacha: do you have to do anything.  As I changed a item to burn but nothing is happening when I close things
[15:24] <xsacha> crazy_bus: which item did you change to burn?
[15:25] <crazy_bus> xsacha: popupmenu, dropdown menu....
[15:26] <jeroen-> what is the name of the utitily I can change laptop settings, like hibernate when closing lid, etc...
[15:26] <jeroen-> ?
[15:26] <Jucato> guidance-power-manager
[15:26] <Jucato> (or klaptop or kpowersave...)
[15:26] <Dr_willis> I wonder if the laptop-mode under hardy still uses the HD defaults. which  caused such a ruckus last year.
[15:27] <jeroen-> Jucato: thanks
[15:28] <jeroen-> Jucato: it gives a systray-icon, but no settings in there?
[15:28] <jeroen-> !
[15:28] <jeroen-> oh wait
[15:28] <xsacha> crazy_bus: it is Normal window
[15:28] <jeroen-> I had to cleft click
[15:28] <Jucato> :)
[15:30] <crazy_bus> xsacha: I set the normal window one to burn as well.  But now I have no closing animations
[15:30] <Jucato> Dr_willis: updated https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto with Kubuntu instructions just for you :)
[15:30] <jeroen-> what is saver; hibernate or sleep
[15:30] <jeroen-> ?
[15:30] <xsacha> crazy_bus: im not completely sure but burn may use pixel shaders.. maybe you dont have the required pixel shaders
[15:31] <xsacha> crazy_bus: should ask in #compiz-fusion
[15:31] <jeroen-> suspend to disk is proberly saver, but slower?
[15:31] <crazy_bus> xsacha: fire writing works... going there to ask now
[15:31] <xsacha> oh ok
[15:32] <Sneedley> Dr_willis: ok i cant find that place, im on hardy heron, if it makes a difference, but i did find root terminal and got in it.  now im being told to close an "X server"
[15:33] <flotishtu>  iam using ktorrent. my upload on knemo graph is more than my downloads. why so? iam not uploading any thing. not even in ktorrent.?
[15:34] <biophysics> Hi all, I was wondering what to change to in dpms settings to have the monitor slowly dim into sleep state (like in Ubuntu) instead of "instant off" behaviour in Kubuntu. (Sorry for making comparison - I am KDE user for last 5 years and love it.
[15:34] <Dr_willis> Sneedley,  whats tellying you this? You really should look in the menus CLOSELY and fine that 'restricted/hardware  drivers manager' icon. and use that. NOT the ones you download from the nvidia web site
[15:35] <sevenseeker> upgrading to Hardy KDE4, is there a graphical mixer?  I doubt my wife wants to use the curses alsamixer interface?
[15:36] <Jucato> !info kmix-kde4
[15:36] <Jucato> sevenseeker: ^^^^
[15:36] <Dr_willis>  Hmm.. wonder why that would be optional. I guess all of kde4 is optional?
[15:36] <sevenseeker> awesome, thank you very much! time to evangelize :)
[15:37] <Jucato> Dr_willis: I'm thinking CD space limitations... since the KDE 4 remix needs to ship with both KDE 3 and KDE 4 stuff
[15:37] <crazy_bus> will I lose all of the compiz effects when I switch to kde4.  Or will they slowly be ported over to kwin
[15:37] <Jucato> or are you talking about the tagging?
[15:37] <Jucato> crazy_bus: impossible to "port" to kwin
[15:37] <Jucato> since compiz and kwin are completely different window managers
[15:37] <Dr_willis> kde4 has its own alternatives to  the compiz eye candy.. of course Most of it is not there yet. :0
[15:37] <Jucato> (and you can only use 1 at a time)
[15:38] <crazy_bus> Jucato: will code ever be shared for plugins.  Or are they just too different?
[15:38] <sevenseeker> how does kde4 do with pluging in a laptop to a projector?
[15:38] <Jucato> crazy_bus: at this point? there is no standard or common ground to share
[15:38] <Dr_willis> too different from what i hear in the various forums.
[15:39] <Dr_willis> sevenseeker,  that would be more X related. then window manager related. and a lot would depend on yoru video card/chipset
[15:39] <Dr_willis> and laptop. :)
[15:39] <Jucato> well obviously one is GTK+ based and the other is Qt based :)
[15:39] <sevenseeker> true, but does KDE4 use xrandr?
[15:43] <sevenseeker> hmmm, what does KDE4 use for multimedia keys like on a laptop (Inspiron 9300)
[15:43] <sevenseeker> ?
[15:46] <ScorpKing> i just installed kubuntu on my dad's laptop but X is a bit messed up. there are hardly any settings in /etc/X11/xorg.conf. has it been changed in 8.04?
[15:46] <jeroen-> anyone knows about the problem that the power-manager says "lid is closed", but the laptop lid is actually not closed?
[15:46] <crashhandler> is there a thing like 'force-empty-trash-bin'??
[15:47] <jeroen-> ScorpKing: try to move xorg.conf away (like xorg.confBK) and trey it again
[15:47] <jeroen-> afterwards you can configure it easilt under systemsettings
[15:47] <ScorpKing> jeroen-: i did and it creates a faulty one again. funny but that same xorg.conf file works perfect on my laptop
[15:48] <jeroen-> ScorpKing: strange, it should start without making a new xorg.conf
[15:48] <jeroen-> ScorpKing: try to a sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg
[15:48] <ScorpKing> jeroen-: gui settings is also disabled. could not load a module. i set the driver to vesa but the best i can get then is 800x600
[15:49] <ScorpKing> jeroen-: ok i'll run that
[15:49] <jeroen-> ScorpKing: ok so X starts?
[15:49] <ScorpKing> yes it does
[15:49] <jeroen-> try another driver
[15:50] <ScorpKing> i did. usually i'm quite happy to fiddle with X but this one beats me
[15:51] <ScorpKing> jeroen-: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg does nothing. is there a verbose option i can give it?
[15:51] <linux66> salut tout le monde
[15:54] <ScorpKing> jeroen-: here is xorg.conf - http://paste.ubuntu.com/11257/
[15:55] <ScorpKing> looking at the logs X does use /etc/X11/xorg.conf but if i look at that file i tend to think different
[15:56] <jeroen-> ScorpKing: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[15:57] <ScorpKing> ah ok. doing it now.
[15:57] <jeroen-> it should detect the right driver
[15:57] <jeroen-> just go with the defaults
[15:57] <ScorpKing> jeroen-: why would that xorg.conf ^ work?
[15:58] <jeroen-> ScorpKing: it genaretes a new xorg.conf
[15:58] <jeroen-> if that is not working maybe someone else knows the answer
[15:58] <ScorpKing> jeroen-: the one i pasted is perfect on my/this laptop. i'm confused why. is yours the same?
[15:58] <jeroen-> ScorpKing: no
[15:59] <ScorpKing> hmm..
[15:59] <ScorpKing> jeroen-: thanks for the help. i'll get it working ;)
[15:59] <jeroen-> good luck
[15:59] <sevenseeker> what do I use for multimedia keys in KDE4?
[15:59] <ScorpKing> ty :)
[15:59] <jeroen-> sevenseeker: kmilo
[16:00] <sevenseeker> ty
[16:00] <jeroen-> again my question: anyone knows about the problem that the power-manager says "lid is closed", but the laptop lid is actually not closed?
[16:01] <pulaski> hello
[16:07] <giacomo> !it
[16:12] <pulaski> I recently upgraded from gutsy 7.10 desktop to hardy heron 8.4.  Everything seemed to go fine however there is a package libgtk1.2 that Adept Updater grabs whose statuts is upgradable though its Requested field indicates no change.  The Adept Updater icon in the system tray remains.  When I use apt-get update/upgrade the same package is shown with the message "The following packages have been kept back: libgtk1.2.  Can anyone
[16:12] <pulaski> suggest why this package has been kept back and how long will the adept-updater icon remain?  Is it worth worrying about?
[16:17] <hizoka_> bonjour
[16:17] <hizoka_> je viens de faire une belle connerie... un bo petit rm sur un dossier (me suis planter en collant ladresse)
[16:17] <hizoka_> comment peut on annuler le rm ?
[16:17] <hizoka_> svp....
[16:17] <SlimeyPete> !french
[16:18] <jeroen-> pulaski: try in terminal:  "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" and see if it works, if not try to find the error message
[16:18] <hizoka_> merde... thanks
[16:19] <pulaski> thank you jeroen, I will.
[16:19] <sevenseeker> it would appear that KDE4 desktop effects do not play nicely with pidgin and firefox, those become invisible
[16:20] <nathan> hello
[16:20] <nathan> anybody here?
[16:20] <SlimeyPete> yes.
[16:20] <nathan> i just got Ubuntu
[16:21] <nathan> how come the sound dosent work on firefox?
[16:22] <SlimeyPete> no idea. I've not come across that problem... but then my sound doesn't work at all.
[16:22] <nathan> well i thought it didnt work at all but some things do
[16:24] <SlimeyPete> if you're running Ubuntu as opposed to Kubuntu, you'll be using Pulseaudio - it may be a problem with that?
[16:24] <SlimeyPete> though in that case you're best off asking in #ubuntu
[16:25] <nathan> i have no knowledge of IRC whatsoever, i opened my new IRC client and it put me here
[16:25] <SlimeyPete> ah. Konversation probably does that by default
[16:25] <SlimeyPete> type "/join #ubuntu" without the quotes
[16:32] <igor__> hallo people
[16:32] <ph3n0n> hello
[16:32] <igor__> can somebody help me with radio
[16:32] <igor__> i have tv card
[16:33] <ph3n0n> which one?
[16:33] <xsacha> igor__: Kaffeine?
[16:33] <igor__> kradio
[16:33] <igor__> i hear nothing
[16:33] <xsacha> kaffeine can play radio and tv from tv tuner
[16:34] <sevenseeker> anyone know how to configure multimedia keys (kmilo) in KDE4?
[16:34] <igor__> i did no try
[16:34] <igor__> i heard tht i must write radio=1
[16:34] <ph3n0n> oh yea, in fstab..
[16:35] <igor__> where ist that
[16:35] <igor__> and where is in kubuntu module.conf
[16:36] <igor__> i open kaffeine
[16:37] <igor__> but there is no option for radio
[16:38] <igor__> i have kubuntu 7.10 cd live
[16:45] <Nebular> I am attepting to use the 8.04 live cd on my dell inspiron 8100. It has a 3Com 3c556 network card, but it doesn't seem work with the livecd. lspci show it, but when I load the module 3c556 it doesn't bring up eth0. I get no error from loading the module
[16:45] <Nebular> any ideas?
[16:47] <pulaski> jeroen, thanks 'sudo apt-get install libgtk1.2'  worked.  Evidently libgtk1.2 was missing some dependencies.  I wonder,  the install process removed a couple packages I had manually installed 'bcjfiltercups' and ' bjfilterpixus550i' under gutsty in an unsucessful effort to get my canon i550 printer to work under kubuntu.  I think I might try again to install the printer.  Have you or anyone else here successfully installed a
[16:47] <pulaski> canon i550 printer for kubuntu?
[16:53] <heinkel_111> hello..now I have upgraded to Hardy Heron, and precisely like when I upgraded to gutsy, that means nothing concerning x graphics work, i guess it is the nvidia driver installation problem in yet another appearance (sigh)...I am back to surfing the net with lynx and irssi, at least there is a chance I can find some howto solutions now
[16:53] <heinkel_111> long live the console login
[16:53] <SlimeyPete> I'd edit your xorg.conf so that X uses the vesa driver
[16:54] <SlimeyPete> then use the hardware manager in X.
[16:55] <jasmin_> hi
[16:56] <SlimeyPete> hi
[16:57] <jasmin_> i getting error cannot theme file /usr/share/apps/kdm/theme/kubuntu
[16:57] <jasmin_> SlimeyPete:  i getting error cannot theme file /usr/share/apps/kdm/theme/kubuntu
[16:57] <jasmin_> SlimeyPete: what i hav to do
[16:58] <SlimeyPete> sorry, I don't know anything about themes. Maybe someone else here can help.
[16:58] <jasmin_> plz any one knows this ple help me out
[16:59] <genii> jasmin_: I just arrived. Please re-state your problem
[16:59] <jasmin_> chodi nav bhosdi nav help karo
[17:00] <SlimeyPete> 16:57 < jasmin_> i getting error cannot theme file /usr/share/apps/kdm/theme/kubuntu
[17:00] <jasmin_> genii:  i getting error cannot theme file /usr/share/apps/kdm/theme/kubuntu
[17:00] <genii> OK
[17:00] <genii> cannot FIND theme file?
[17:00] <jasmin_> genii: ya
[17:01] <genii> Put an s on theme
[17:01] <jasmin_> genii: what ???
[17:03] <jasmin_> genii: i didnt understand what u said
[17:03] <genii> jasmin_:   /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/kubuntu                <- note themes  not theme
[17:03] <genii> The directory themes exists. The directory theme does not exists
[17:05] <jasmin_> genii: so what i hav to do
[17:05] <genii> jasmin_: What were you attempting that gave you the original error?
[17:05] <bitbyte> good morning
[17:05] <bitbyte> afternoon/evening etc
[17:05]  * genii slides bitbyte a coffee
[17:06] <bitbyte> sweet
[17:06]  * bitbyte slurps
[17:06] <jasmin_> genii: i get this error ->>> cannot theme file /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/kubuntu
[17:07]  * wirechief__ looks at empty cup
[17:07]  * genii makes wirechief__ a coffee also
[17:07]  * wirechief__ sips ahhhh
[17:07] <genii> jasmin_: When the login screen tries to load?
[17:07] <heinkel_111> SlimeyPete: I got an x display with kde up and running now. I changed the xorg.conf to use "nv" driver instead of "nvidia" (not "vesa")
[17:08] <jasmin_> genii: yes
[17:08]  * dhq wishes he also had a coffee
[17:08] <heinkel_111> SlimeyPete: I guess I now need to manually download and install nvidia driver?
[17:08] <SlimeyPete> no
[17:08]  * genii fills a Kubuntu mug with more coffee and hands it to dhq
[17:08] <SlimeyPete> heinkel_111: look in K -> System Settings
[17:08] <SlimeyPete> in Advanced there should be a restricted driver manager
[17:09] <Jucato> heinkel_111: Hardy? K Menu -> System -> Hardware Drivers Manager
[17:09] <SlimeyPete> that's the one
[17:09]  * dhq feels ilated and sips the this smoking bru from the kubuntu mug
[17:09] <bitbyte> i want to buy an nvidia video card that will do the 3d desktop stuff. as well as some very light gaming. nothing serious. but i don't want to break the bank, can anyone recommend a model with good linux support?
[17:09] <Jucato> Gutsy? K Menu -> System Settings -> Advanced tab -> Restricted Manager
[17:09] <SlimeyPete> bitbyte: one of the 8600s, or else a 7-series is still fine for "light" gaming.
[17:10] <bitbyte> k
[17:10] <SlimeyPete> my 7600s are well-supported
[17:10] <jasmin_> genii: hello finished ur coffff
[17:10] <bitbyte> i know if you get one thats too new then you don't get support either, or that's what the case used to be
[17:10] <bitbyte> it's like walking a tightrope
[17:10] <genii> jasmin_: I'm investigationg your issue. Please be patient
[17:10] <SlimeyPete> I should think 8600s will be fine... though you'll want to google first
[17:10] <heinkel_111> Jucato: SlimeyPete: I have just done the gutsy to HH upgrade, will try the new hardware driver manager... back later
[17:10] <SlimeyPete> they're not bleeding-edge.
[17:10] <SlimeyPete> heinkel_111: good luck :)
[17:11] <erythrocyte> hi...has anyone here had any luck installing opera 9.5 beta 2 on hardy?
[17:11] <jasmin_> genii: ok
[17:11] <heinkel_111> SlimeyPete: the 8600 is the card causing me trouble at each upgrade, btw
[17:11] <erythrocyte> installing and getting it to work, i mean
[17:11] <SlimeyPete> heinkel_111: if you used nvidia's own driver installer, then that's the problem, not the card
[17:12] <genii> jasmin_: Please issue from Konsole:      sudo apt-get install --reinstall kde-kdm-themes
[17:12] <SlimeyPete> if you use the nvidia installer, every time the kernel gets upgraded your driver will stop working.
[17:12] <heinkel_111> SlimeyPete: Jucato: that hardware driver manager is useless to me, shows no info and nothing to edit in there...
[17:13] <heinkel_111> SlimeyPete:  I had to use the nvidia installer because gutsy didnt support the 8600
[17:13] <SlimeyPete> heinkel_111: ah.
[17:13] <romulo> hi, how i change the default qmake to qt4?
[17:13] <jasmin_> genii: after i did that what i hav to do
[17:13] <SlimeyPete> heinkel_111: next thing to do is try apt-get-ing the nvidia packages then
[17:13] <genii> jasmin_: Did it complete successfully?
[17:14] <jasmin_> genii: ok
[17:14] <heinkel_111> SlimeyPete: Jucato: will try ...
[17:14] <heinkel_111> brb
[17:14]  * heinkel_111 'd like a cup of that 'buntu brew as well btw
[17:14] <genii> jasmin_: After that command, logout of Kubuntu and see if the login screen works properly
[17:14] <erythrocyte> anyone here successfully installed and ran opera 9.5 beta 2?
[17:15] <xsacha> me
[17:15]  * genii gets out a new tray of Kubuntu mugs, tops them with coffee and hands them out
[17:15] <jasmin_> genii: ok
[17:15]  * bitbyte sips one
[17:15] <xsacha> erythrocyte: im actually running the latest snapshot (may 9th) of opera 9.5 amd64 shared qt
[17:15] <bitbyte> actually i'm drinking a senseo right now
[17:16]  * dhq gladly enjoying the brew prepared by genii
[17:16] <genii> I wish the Ubuntu store sold Kubuntu stuff as well
[17:16] <erythrocyte> xsacha: i tried installing the latest snapshot as well as the beta 2 release and i keep getting a segfault before the entire thing crashes :(
[17:16] <xsacha> yeah id buy a dragon
[17:16] <genii> Then we could actualy have Kubuntu mugs :)
[17:16] <erythrocyte> my platform is kubuntu hardy, intel, 32 bit
[17:16] <xsacha> erythrocyte: :(
[17:16] <dhq> yes and even the shits
[17:16] <genii> xsacha:  :)
[17:16] <xsacha> im kubuntu hardy, amd64
[17:17] <dhq> and the stickers
[17:17] <xsacha> no idea ery, it works very well here and very fast. no crashes or bugs for me yet
[17:17] <erythrocyte> xsacha:is there a way i can get it to work, or should i just forget it?
[17:17] <xsacha> not sure why it would segfault
[17:17] <erythrocyte> ok xsacha
[17:18] <wirechief__> erythrocyte: did the media check ok ?
[17:18] <heinkel_112> now i got konversation as well :) bust still no nvidia driver
[17:18] <erythrocyte> yea
[17:18] <dhq> heinkel_112: what problem do u face
[17:19] <jasmin_> genii: hey its giving same prob
[17:19] <erythrocyte> xsacha: i tried using all of the versions they have...the static ones as well as the shared ones
[17:19] <erythrocyte> same error everytime
[17:19] <genii> jasmin_: OK. After it gives this error, does it go to some default login screeen?
[17:19] <xsacha> do other browsers work for you?
[17:19] <xsacha> firefox? konqueror?
[17:19] <erythrocyte> yea...they do
[17:19] <erythrocyte> ff3b5 works fine...although it takes a ton of memory
[17:20] <jasmin_> genii: yes
[17:20] <erythrocyte> i love konqueror...except that flash isn't working that well
[17:20] <xsacha> yes :(
[17:20] <heinkel_112> dhq...same as heinkel_111 if yolu scroll a few screens back ;)
[17:20] <genii> jasmin_: Are you on kde3 or kde4?
[17:20] <jasmin_> genii: Kde3
[17:21] <erythrocyte> xsacha: i filed my comments on flash & konqueror at https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/184149
[17:21] <wirechief__> i dont like the latest konqueror, i cant get split screens :(
[17:21] <erythrocyte> xsacha: does youtube work with konqueror for you?
[17:21] <genii> jasmin_: OK. Give me some minutes for research
[17:21] <jasmin_> genii: ok
[17:22] <xsacha> erythrocyte: it works but not very well
[17:22] <erythrocyte> wirechief: my konq splits just fine
[17:22] <xsacha> very slow and it has pauses
[17:22] <CrunchyFerrett> mornin  wirechief
[17:22] <xsacha> on opera its brilliant
[17:22] <erythrocyte> xsacha: may i ask why the bug has been marked fixed, if it hasn't resolved the issue yet?
[17:23] <xsacha> just wished opera had a better interface
[17:23] <erythrocyte> xsacha: too bad opera tanks for me :(
[17:23] <xsacha> erythrocyte: maybe they think they have or there was a regression. open it again?
[17:23] <wirechief__> erythrocyte: i didnt see a setting for it, will check again.
[17:23] <wirechief__> morning CrunchyFerrett
[17:24] <dhq> heinkel_112: i had the same problem my kubuntu was using vesa drivers and then when i changed it to nv i would get a black screen so i downloaded the beta drivers and it worked well
[17:24] <erythrocyte> xsacha: i'm a total noob, and i'm always scared about messing with the tags on launchpad :)
[17:24] <dhq> jasmin_: i guess you will have to reinstall kdm
[17:24] <dhq> jasmin_: i dont know the size of it
[17:24] <heinkel_112> dhq..beta drivers from where? nvidia?
[17:24] <erythrocyte> xsacha: did you need to install sun java for opera to work? or are you using openjdk?
[17:25] <dhq> heinkel_112: from nvidia site
[17:25] <dhq> heinkel_112: what is you graphic model
[17:25] <heinkel_112> dhq thanks for info
[17:25] <xsacha> i think.. jre or something
[17:25] <genii> jasmin_: I found a bug report regarding your issue. Did you previously have a server install or minimal install and then install kubuntu-desktop?
[17:25] <dhq> jasmin_: just check and let me know the size of kdm
[17:25] <heinkel_112> dh01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GT (rev a1)q:
[17:26] <dhq> heinkel_112: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600M GT (rev a1)  this is mine
[17:26] <dhq> so it should work
[17:26] <wirechief> erythrocyte: my konqueror does not have a Window tab 3.5.9
[17:26] <heinkel_112> dhq + that is what i had to do to get my computer to work with gutsy as well
[17:27] <heinkel_112> dhq just a tad disappointing they didnt manage to make it work in hardy
[17:27] <erythrocyte> wirechief: what do you mean?
[17:27] <dhq> heinkel_112: it will be fixed by the devs at kubuntu soon
[17:27] <plut0nash> hi
[17:28] <wirechief> erythrocyte: the older version 3.5.5 has a window tab but  3.5.9 does not have a window tab for split screen
[17:28] <plut0nash> how do i install synaptic on kubuntu with apt-get?
[17:28] <Jucato> plut0nash: sudo apt-get install synaptic
[17:28] <dhq> plut0nash: sugo apt-get install synaptics
[17:28] <dhq> plut0nash: sugo apt-get install synaptic
[17:28] <plut0nash> thanks
[17:28] <plut0nash> :)
[17:28] <dhq> Jucato: sorry for the push in
[17:28] <plut0nash> mm
[17:28] <jasmin_> dhq: may know what is this sugo
[17:28]  * Jucato doesn't mind
[17:28] <plut0nash> base install is the best install method ever
[17:29] <plut0nash> :D
[17:29] <Jucato> sugo?
[17:29] <jasmin_> Jucato: sugo ?? i think sudo
[17:29] <Jucato> !sudo | jasmin_
[17:29] <dhq> haha
[17:29] <erythrocyte> wirechief: i guess i don't know much about that...but when i goto View>Split Screen and select an option, it works for me...clicking in a split screen window makes it an 'active window'
[17:30] <jasmin_> lol lol  i know ok
[17:30] <plut0nash> second question
[17:30] <plut0nash> how do i get kdm to start on boot?
[17:30] <Jucato> jasmin_: oh right.. sorry...
[17:30]  * Jucato is sleepy
[17:31] <dhq> plut0nash: well doesnt it automatically start
[17:31] <plut0nash> long day /night Jucato?
[17:31] <plut0nash> dhq: afraid not
[17:31] <dhq> plut0nash: else you will have to put it in the boot scripts
[17:31] <plut0nash> had ot start it from init.d
[17:31] <plut0nash> mmm
[17:31] <plut0nash> is there a howto on that?
[17:31] <erythrocyte> wirechief: good luck with your problem..i'm heading out :)
[17:31] <plut0nash> prefer to work on that
[17:31] <erythrocyte> xsacha: thanks for your input...bye!
[17:31] <wirechief> erythrocyte: i just found the setting
[17:31] <dhq> it should be there maybe Jucato would be able to help you with that
[17:32] <erythrocyte> wirechief: great :)
[17:32] <plut0nash> ok
[17:32] <plut0nash> Jucato is tired though
[17:32] <plut0nash> :P
[17:32] <lardarse_> !dolphin
[17:32] <wirechief> erythrocyte: the older had it as default but not the newer
[17:32] <genii> jasmin_: Anyhow, the fix for you: in file /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc find the line: Theme=@@@ToBeReplacedByDesktopBase@@@              and replace with: Theme=                   You can open it with alt-f2 and: kdesudo kate /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc
[17:33] <genii> kdesudo or kdesu
[17:34]  * genii sips his coffee
[17:34] <mrkeishii> so why do you guys use kubuntu?
[17:35] <afeijo> its cool
[17:35] <mrkeishii> does kubuntu have more features than Ubuntu?
[17:35] <afeijo> but I cant make my epson scanner to work, lol
[17:35] <dhq> mrkeishii: its jazzy and smooth
[17:35] <mrkeishii> is it better than ubuntu?
[17:35] <genii> !best
[17:35] <BluesKaj> mrkeishii, it's a matter of taste , mostly
[17:35] <genii> "better" is subjective
[17:35] <mrkeishii> okay
[17:36] <dhq> mrkeishii: well the difference is gnome and kde some like gnome some like kde
[17:36] <mrkeishii> well which is a better desktop?
[17:36] <xsacha> mrkeishii: another difference is kde apps use Qt and gnome apps use gtk generally
[17:36] <mrkeishii> what is qt
[17:36] <Jucato> !better | mrkeishii
[17:37] <Jucato> !qt | mrkeishii
[17:37] <xsacha> qt is a toolkit created by Trolltech (purchased by Nokia)
[17:37] <Jucato> xsacha: still in the process of.. not yet complete
[17:37] <xsacha> its gonna go through..
[17:37] <mrkeishii> so why do you guys prefer to use kde than ubuntu?
[17:38] <Jucato> xsacha: sure. but they have to pass EU scrutiny first
[17:38] <Jucato> which is why it isn't complete yet
[17:38] <richard> I would like to set up my 2 hard drives (Xp on one Kubuntu on the other) for dual booting, It indicated to add some lines to this file: boot/grub/grub.conf, but when I open with kate, there is no line indicating timeout = 30 for me to add to
[17:38] <Jucato> mrkeishii: simple reason. because it works for them/us, because they/we like it.
[17:38] <genii> mrkeishii: kde IS ubuntu, with a different window manager. It's all a matter of which graphical interface you like to the system underneath
[17:39] <xsacha> mrkeishii: maybe read this: http://polishlinux.org/kde/kde-4-rev-790000-better-stability-and-performance/ (its visual so not so much reading)
[17:39] <genii> mrkeishii: Some ppl prefer kde some prefer gnome, others prefer other types of interfaces. It all depends on how you like to work or so
[17:39] <xsacha> lol
[17:40] <genii> Heh, drove him off :)
[17:40] <Jucato> next time he comes back and asks the same questions...
[17:40] <xsacha> ok, plan for next time: just say kubuntu is better, duh
[17:40] <genii> hehe
[17:40] <genii> Refer him to Ratpoison.....
[17:40] <Jucato> nah. I'll just kick... *if* he asks the same questions over and over again... it will be obvious that he's just trolling/baiting
[17:40] <xsacha> tell him xubuntu is best
[17:41] <genii> jasmin_: Did you take the steps i recommended yet to fix your kdm issue?
[17:41] <xsacha> :P
[17:41] <plut0nash> hmmm
[17:41] <plut0nash> how do i change the root password?
[17:42] <genii> bah
[17:42] <xsacha> well there is no root password by default in *ubuntu
[17:42] <plut0nash> i changed mine
[17:42] <plut0nash> want to set it to blank
[17:42] <plut0nash> :P
[17:42]  * genii is tempted to !root plut0nash
[17:42] <xsacha> a blank root password?
[17:42] <plut0nash> yeah
[17:42] <plut0nash> so i can run some apps
[17:43] <xsacha> *blinks*
[17:43] <xsacha> sudo
[17:43] <plut0nash> it seems to not allow adept to run
[17:43] <plut0nash> :(
[17:43]  * JoshOvki head hurts from all the possible security issues
[17:43] <plut0nash> and then tells me
[17:43] <plut0nash> no password supplied
[17:43] <JoshOvki> plut0nash: have you entered your password?
[17:44] <plut0nash> yes
[17:44] <plut0nash> i have
[17:44] <plut0nash> when i attempt to change teh root password
[17:44] <plut0nash> it doesn't allow me to blank it
[17:44] <JoshOvki> for obvious reasons
[17:44] <Jucato> there is no root password in the first place
[17:44] <genii> plut0nash: If you for some reason for instance ran adept with something like: sudo adept             or went: sudo su     then ran it, it will not run again for normal user because the permissions in your home directory got messy.
[17:45] <plut0nash> ok
[17:45] <plut0nash> sorted
[17:45] <Jucato> 2nd, having a passwordless root account is extremely dangerous
[17:45] <plut0nash> ok
[17:45] <plut0nash> well
[17:45] <plut0nash> at least i'm secured a little
[17:45] <plut0nash> :0
[17:45] <xsacha> how?
[17:46] <Jucato> you're not secured at all...
[17:46] <afeijo> what do you use for scanners?
[17:46] <plut0nash> Jucato: sarcasm dude :P
[17:46]  * JoshOvki didnt get the sarcasm
[17:46] <dennister> hey channel...having a real mounting problems with cifs...not used to it, but smbfs is deprecated, so I might as well get this right
[17:47] <dennister> he first of a series of error messages in dmesg is: CIFS VFS: Error connecting to IPv4 socket. Aborting operation
[17:47] <dennister> followed by: CIFS VFS: cifs_mount failed w/return code = -111
[17:47] <dennister> none of my web searches is probing fruitful, and my fstab entry for my samba shares does result in the shares being fully browseable/writable by other machines on the network........anyone got any ideas?
[17:48] <robert36> hello
[17:48] <Slacker> hi
[17:49] <robert36> how can i install programs on kubuntu 8.04
[17:49] <heinkel_112> doh...it seems like kubuntu does not recognize my kubuntu dvd? when installing things with apt-get install it keeps asking me to insert the CD and hit enter, and if I insert the _DVD_ and hit enter it just asks for the same once again
[17:49] <will01> is there an easy way of switching from kde to gnome?
[17:50] <xsacha> install ubuntu-desktop i guess
[17:50] <bitbyte> you have ot change your sources maybe?
[17:50] <heinkel_112> and I discovered that /cdrom points to media/cdrom
[17:50] <xsacha> theres guides on it on google
[17:50] <robert36> iff i go to add or remove software everything is gray
[17:50] <heinkel_112> but my cdrom mounts as media:scd0
[17:51] <will01> xsacha: it gives me the error that it would break packages
[17:51] <Nyad> How do I delete this partition /dev/sdb8 while in kubuntu. I just want it to become unpartitioned space
[17:51] <robert36> can i install firefox on kubuntu 8.04?
[17:52] <afeijo> robert36: yes
[17:52] <wirechief__> Nyad try using gparted
[17:52] <afeijo> thru adept
[17:52] <robert36> can you tell me how?
[17:52] <xsacha> will01: follow a guide on google, says how to do it cleanly
[17:52] <genii> dennister: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/208770
[17:52] <afeijo> do you know how to activate adept?
[17:52] <xsacha> will01: its two lines in terminal i think
[17:52] <will01> ok
[17:52] <ubuntu_> alguien habla español
[17:52] <SlimeyPete> !spanish
[17:52] <ubuntu_> gracias
[17:53] <afeijo> !portuguese
[17:53] <afeijo> hehe
[17:53] <afeijo> !greek
[17:53] <afeijo> !french
[17:53] <robert36> afeijo can you tell me how?
[17:53] <genii> dennister: Put noauto in fstab then try mounting after network is up
[17:53] <afeijo> robert36:  in your programs menu, do you have add/remove program?
[17:54] <afeijo> !hindu
[17:54] <robert36> yess
[17:54] <afeijo> !indu
[17:54] <afeijo> lol
[17:54] <BluesKaj> !botabuse
[17:54] <afeijo> robert36: thats it, there you have thounsands of progs! have fun
[17:54] <afeijo> filter for firefox
[17:54] <robert36> but there is everything gray i cant click on it
[17:54] <afeijo> and you can even install other languages there
[17:55] <afeijo> you need sudo password
[17:55] <dennister> ok, checked network settings---> domain name system, and it seems i have no ipv4...only ip6
[17:55] <dennister> genii: i don't have auto in fstab
[17:55] <robert36> were can i find sudo password?
[17:55] <afeijo> who installed that machine?
[17:56] <robert36> myself
[17:56] <afeijo> oh boy
[17:56] <afeijo> you should know that password
[17:56] <xigorx> pass is your
[17:56] <serzh> does anyone hav kde 4.0.4 installed in hardy?
[17:56] <genii> dennister: noauto will make it need manual mounting. auto is implicit if not specified
[17:56] <xigorx> that is that
[17:56] <Nyad> How do I update fstab?
[17:56] <robert36> oke my normal password
[17:56] <serzh> about KDE says it's still 4.03
[17:56] <BluesKaj> robert36, it's your login password
[17:56] <dennister> genii: i can try the noauto in fstab, but isn't the lack of IPv4 more telling and important?
[17:56] <afeijo> probably, hit administrator something on adept
[17:56] <robert36> were i must put this then?
[17:57] <arko> hi
[17:57] <Nyad> How do I update fstab?
[17:57] <arko> why firefox looks so ugly in KDE 4?
[17:57] <genii> dennister: There's no IPvanything yet because it's trying to mount a filesystem on a device which does not exist yet
[17:57] <afeijo> Nyad: editinc /etc/fstab
[17:57] <afeijo> Nyad: use kate
[17:57] <dennister> ah, ok
[17:58] <Nyad> How do I update fstab?
[17:58] <Nyad> woops
[17:58] <afeijo> aiai
[17:58] <Nyad>  I meant automatically, or do I have to do it by hand
[17:58] <afeijo> I do by hand, dont know if exists a app to that, probably
[17:58] <genii> Nyad: The gui mounting tool in KDE is not always reliable but you could try it first before hand-editing.
[17:59] <afeijo> robert36: well, if its all gray, some button has to be avaiable
[17:59] <Nyad> I just used parted to delete a partition and it told me not to forget to update fstab
[17:59] <genii> System Settings... Advanced tab... Disks and Filesystems
[17:59] <genii> ^ Nyad
[18:00] <jasmin_> thanks dhq you dolved my problem
[18:00] <jasmin_> genii: thanks
[18:01] <jasmin_> thanks dhq you solved my problem
[18:01] <robert36> thanks i found something
[18:01] <jo_> is this the place to ask about kde4?
[18:01] <SlimeyPete> !kde4
[18:01] <jo_> thx
[18:02] <xsacha> 4.0.4 is the latest
[18:03] <jasmin_> dhq: thanks a lot for help me
[18:03] <jasmin_> dhq: t
[18:03] <jasmin_> dhq: h
[18:03] <jasmin_> dhq: a
[18:04] <scott25> can someone help me with this error, I get it when I boot a fresh install: run_program :'/sbin/modprobe' abnormal exit
[18:04] <jasmin_> dhq: n
[18:04] <jasmin_> dhq: thank
[18:04] <jasmin_> dhq: you
[18:04] <jasmin_> dhq: THANK YOU
[18:05] <xigorx> does somebody have radio in pc on kubuntu 7.10
[18:05] <jasmin_> dhq: thank you thank you  thank you  thank you  thank you  thank you  thank you  thank you  thank you  thank you thank you  thank you thank you thank you thank you  thank you  thank you
[18:05] <genii> !helpersnack | dhq
[18:06] <jo__> !kde4
[18:06] <nate_> does anybody know why i can't use chmod to change my permissions of a directory?  It is an ntfs partition i mounted to the root.
[18:06] <xigorx> does somebody have radio in pc on kubuntu 7.10
[18:07] <dennister> genii: i will do the noauto in fstab and reboot soon, just waiting on some ideas from another very helpful person, too
[18:07] <genii> dennister: I'll likely be around :)
[18:08] <dennister> thx...rebooting now
[18:09] <genii> nate_: the permissions of mountpoints of a partition cannot be changed. Also the permisions of an actual partition can only be temporarily changed until next reboot, as the permissions are created each boot by the udev subsystem. You need instead mount options specifying read/write options
[18:09] <xigorx> does somebody have radio in pc on kubuntu 7.10
[18:10] <nate_> genii: sweet....could you help me through this?
[18:15] <sigma_1234> how do i learn how to write qt programs?
[18:16] <genii> nate_: I need to go AFK a few minutes. Perhaps see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[18:17] <nate_> genii:  thx
[18:17] <jasmin_> genii: thank you
[18:19] <robin> hello
[18:20] <robin> is there any one?
[18:20] <JoshOvki> no
[18:20] <JoshOvki> :)
[18:20] <jasmin_> robin: :)
[18:21] <meszaros> hello
[18:21] <heinkel_112> how do I get  a list of loaded kernel modules associated with the nvidia graphics driver?
[18:21] <meszaros> van itt valaki magyar?
[18:22] <JoshOvki> !hu
[18:22] <meszaros> köszi
[18:23] <igor__> can someone help me with with radio in pc
[18:24] <igor__> where can I correct radio=1
[18:24] <genii> igor__: Is it built in to your computer or a separate adapter?
[18:24] <igor__> in pc
[18:24] <igor__> tv card
[18:25] <dennister> genii: ok, the noauto option in fstab, followed by manual mounting in terminal worked fine...although I still don't have any IPv4 entries in network connections-->domain name system
[18:26] <igor__> does someone have tv card on kubuntu 7.10
[18:27] <genii> dennister: ipv4 has nothing to do with anything
[18:27] <dennister> ok, so how do i fix it so these shares do mount automatically at boot?
[18:27] <genii> dennister: The system is doing it's fstab mounting chores before the network adapter has been initialised.
[18:28] <dennister> ahh, ok, so we should change the order?
[18:28] <genii> dennister: N0.
[18:28] <dennister> then what do you suggest?
[18:28] <genii> dennister: Need to add something like a mount line to rc.local
[18:29] <dennister> ok, the same line i used in terminal? that will ensure that the samba shares are mounted late in the process?
[18:29] <genii> dennister: Yes, same line as in terminal
[18:30] <genii> Exactly
[18:30] <igor__> does someone have tv card on kubuntu 7.10
[18:30] <dennister> and comment out the fstab line, or remove them? not needed there if they're in rc.local
[18:31] <genii> igor__: The radio=1 line you need to add is when the module for your card is loaded. So in /etc/modules   you need a line like: em2888 radio=1
[18:31] <genii> if em2888 is the module name
[18:32] <igor__> mybe saa7134
[18:32] <genii> dennister: Leave fstab line and use short mount line in rc.local
[18:32] <igor__> only that?
[18:32] <igor__> what else
[18:32] <genii> igor__: Yes only that
[18:33] <igor__> what about video
[18:33] <igor__> tv
[18:33] <dognews> What is the problem with my 3D configuration? http://dognews.do.funpic.de/3dproglems.png (additional information: google earth crashes, when going into flight simulator mode; I'm running it on hardy)
[18:33] <genii> dennister: Wehn fstab says eg: /dev/somewhere /mountpoint                 you can put only: mount /mountpoint                rc.local
[18:33] <genii> *in rc.local
[18:34] <zan_> hello
[18:34] <wirechief__> dognewes what graphics card ?  driver ?
[18:34] <wirechief__> dognews: what graphics card ? driver ?
[18:35] <genii> igor__: The options for specifying your adapter to use a specific tuner type depends on the module. In  my case I use em288 or so mosule which has option of tuner=XX   where XX is from 00 to 45   but your module may have different options
[18:37] <dognews> wirechief__: ati radeon 9600 (see window KInfoCenter in linked image); fglrx driver (see window KWrite)
[18:37] <dennister> genii: i'm sorry, buti don't understand what you meant by that last line... i opened my /etc/init.d/rc.local file and think the /etc/rc.local file is the one i want to add the terminal mount line
[18:37] <JackWinter> hmm, something has gone wrong with my system.  yesterday i did a full updaaate of my system, and i've lost wine and amarok.  don't know what other systems are missing...
[18:38] <wirechief__> dognews do you see errors in cat /var/logs/Xorg.0.log |grep EE
[18:39] <genii> dennister: By the time the rc.local line is executed, it has already scanned the fstab. So you don't need to remove fstab line, which is an easier place to change mount options than in rc.local. The rc.local will use whatever mount options you had in fstab. So instead of a line like mount -t cifs somename@somewhere /mountpoint     in rc.local     just put mount /mountpoint               in rc.local which then will turn to fstab for the
[18:39] <genii> options to use
[18:40] <wirechief__> dognews egrep '^\((EE|WW)\)' /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see if anything is relavant
[18:40] <JackWinter> the system in question is a kubuntu 8.04 ;)
[18:41] <heinkel_112> wish me luck...trying to see if the nvidia works..bbl
[18:41] <Armagguedes> hello
[18:41] <dennister> genii: ok, i think i understand that :-) here goes
[18:41] <Armagguedes> is there a Kubuntu KDE4 re-spin with 4.0.4?
[18:41] <Armagguedes> i wanna make a live cd with it (i updated from the betas)
[18:42] <genii> igor__: Some saa7134 module options listed here for you http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_saa7134
[18:42] <wirechief__> Armagguedes: its downloaded with the right options in apt but becommes a seperate desktop
[18:43] <wirechief__> !kde4
[18:44] <ubuntu_> hola
[18:44] <ubuntu_> necesito ayuda
[18:45] <ubuntu_> necesito ayuda
[18:45] <ubuntu_> necesito ayuda
[18:46] <genii> !ve
[18:47] <genii> Hmm no Venezualan factoid
[18:48] <Lardarse> !krusader > Lardarse
[18:48]  * genii hands out more coffees
[18:49] <JackWinter> !es
[18:51] <o0Chris0o> my sound is scratchy, my sound is HDA Intel. I am using alsa any ideas or suggetions?
[18:51] <genii> JackWinter: I would have thought !ve would link to that or !br for Brazil
[18:51] <BonesolTeraDyne> Anyone know if removing "language-support-en" will cause problems? Aptitude wants to remove it when it gets rid of OpenOffice
[18:52] <BluesKaj> BonesolTeraDyne, don't remove it
[18:52] <v6lur> BonesolTeraDyne, language-support-en is a metapackage and can be safely removed
[18:52] <v6lur> BluesKaj, why not?
[18:52] <BluesKaj> cuz of other app dependencies
[18:53] <BonesolTeraDyne> such as?
[18:53] <BluesKaj> can screw up the KB in xorg for example
[18:53] <BonesolTeraDyne> Ah. Then why the HECK are they tying it with OOo? That seems messed up.
[18:54] <BonesolTeraDyne> tieing*
[18:54] <v6lur> yes, and it debends on thunderbird too
[18:54] <v6lur> depends*
[18:55] <BonesolTeraDyne> Grr... I want to get rid of OOo without messing anything up. I want KOffice and only KOffice.
[18:55] <JackWinter> genii: brazil speaks portuguese ;)
[18:55] <genii> o0Chris0o: Perhaps see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=475228 or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3674869
[18:55] <o0Chris0o> ty
[18:55] <genii> JackWinter: They likely speak many languages there
[18:55] <JackWinter> genii: true ;)
[18:56] <genii> !br
[18:56] <genii> eg
[18:57] <v6lur> anyway, i still think language-support-en may be removed, and if it really does screw xorg.conf up, then fix that manually :/
[18:57] <BonesolTeraDyne> I'll give it a shot.
[18:57]  * BonesolTeraDyne is thankful he installed irssi on his other machine
[18:58] <richard> i'm running kubuntu 8.04 and would like to set up my 2 hadr drives for dual booting, can anyone direct me to some help
[18:58] <richard> i am running xp on the other drive
[18:58] <JackWinter> genii: oh well they can understand one another especially when written, but they really are different.  most difficult are words that sound the same but really mean completely different things ;)
[18:58] <BonesolTeraDyne> !dualboot
[18:59] <richard> thanks
[19:01] <v6lur> is anyone willing to make .deb from http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Lapsus?content=80642
[19:02] <ubuntu> salut je suis en live CD et j'aimerais installer compiz mais il me dit qu'il ne le trouve pas quand j'essaye de l'installer avec 'desktop effects' il me dit que la package ne peut pas être trouvé
[19:03] <v6lur> !fr
[19:03] <BonesolTeraDyne> Here's aptitude's first resolution. Any opininons? http://paste.ubuntu.com/11283/
[19:03] <ubuntu> sorry :p
[19:04] <dognews> wirechief__: (WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x23
[19:06] <dognews> wirechief__: I've pasted the whole output in here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11284/
[19:07] <dennister> genii: ok, my line in rc.local didn't work, and now I can't mount the shares manually, either
[19:08] <v6lur> BonesolTeraDyne: remove, what aptitude suggests to remove
[19:08] <BonesolTeraDyne> doing so now.
[19:09] <genii> dennister: Please pastebin rc.local and fstab then please for examination
[19:09] <dennister> this is totally wierd and a new development: in fstab i mount my shares on /media/samba_share, but when I tried to mount them manually just now, I was told that mount point didn't exist...so i tried to create it, and was told i couldn't because it already existed...talk about contradicting oneself...ok, will do
[19:10] <dennister> !pastebin
[19:11] <dognews> wirechief__: can it be, that my version of fglrx is too old and doesn't support this "texture_from_pixmap" thing?
[19:14] <imaginativeone> how do I make Sunday the first day of the week in korganizer?
[19:14] <connor> #ubuntu
[19:14] <imaginativeone> LOL
[19:14] <imaginativeone> they sent me here...
[19:14] <melkart> imaginativeone: control center, regional settings
[19:14] <melkart> kcontrol, i mean
[19:15] <imaginativeone> how do I get there?
[19:15] <imaginativeone> to the control center, that is...
[19:15] <dognews> melkart: too much kde4, already ;)
[19:15] <melkart> oh sorry
[19:15] <melkart> then i dont know
[19:16] <wimpies> Hi all, Just upgraded to 8.04 and now the resolution of my desktop is 640x480 but the loginmanager shows 1280x1024 which is what it should be.  Where can I change this ?
[19:16] <imaginativeone> /etc/monitor/resolution
[19:17] <imaginativeone> you have to use gedit
[19:17] <dennister> genii: i just did the 3 lines from fstab that are germain, but included entire rc.local here: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11285/
[19:17] <dognews> imaginativeone: press alt + f2; type "regio" into search field; klick on "country/..." in results area; klick on "Time and Dates" and set "First day of the week"
[19:17] <connor> #conky
[19:17] <wimpies> imaginativeone : i do not have such file ...
[19:17] <kei-clone> i'm having trouble mounting external devices after upgrading to hardy, like usbs, ipods, and external HDs, can anyone help me out?
[19:17] <connor> #ubuntu
[19:18] <genii> dennister: OK, reading
[19:18] <imaginativeone> dognews: you're awesome
[19:19] <CrunchyFerrett> ls
[19:19] <CrunchyFerrett> ls -a
[19:19] <CrunchyFerrett> DOH wrong window, sorry
[19:20] <BonesolTeraDyne> XD
[19:20] <imaginativeone> how do I make an icon on my desktop for korganizer?
[19:22] <dognews> imaginativeone: right klick on desktop?
[19:23] <Bauldrick> anyone know of gui for tftp
[19:27] <dognews> wirechief__: thanks for your help, so far. I just installed envy ( http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html ) and let it install the driver automatically - hopfully it works after a restart - brb
[19:29] <dennister> genii: u still there? my new stove has just arrived, and the installers need my attention...i will leave this open in case you come up with a new line for my rc.local file, k?
[19:32] <genii> dennister: Here. Writing a script for you
[19:35] <dognews> wirechief__: still the same problem after restart: (WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x23
[19:37] <penguin42> I have a repeatable crash on konqueror on Hardy (64bit, KDE3) at a news.yahoo.com page - can anyone else see if it is repeatable for them ?
[19:38] <genii> dennister: Copy this into a file called mymount and put it in /usr/sbin     chmod +x the file. Also change all the "<usernamehere>" into the correct user name. Then: sudo cp /etc/init.d/skeleton /etc/init.d/mymount         open up /etc/init.d/mymount   and change line: NAME=daemonexecutablename   into: NAME=mymount        And remove the line that was added into rc.local
[19:39] <genii> dennister: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11286/   is that file to be called mymount
[19:41] <chosig> FYI: Opening an 8GB file in Kwrite takes time...
[19:41] <penguin42> http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Space-Shuttle-Columbia-Kroll-Ontrack-Inc-space-shuttle-Columbia/ss/events/sc/010605shuttlenasa/s:/ap/20080510/ap_on_hi_te/shuttle_recovered_data/im:/080509/480/7921c28576c34bc49f2848ca732d6e48/;_ylt=ArE3U2S.uEdt2CtEm5KNvBZk24cA#photoViewer=/080509/480/7921c28576c34bc49f2848ca732d6e48  is the page that crashes my konq; load it and click on teh 2nd photo in on the set of 4 thumbnails
[19:41] <penguin42> chosig: I suspect it loads it into RAM
[19:41] <chosig> penguin42: not "all the way", but it wants to parse it before showing ;)
[19:42] <penguin42> chosig: Is it trying to syntax highlight it?
[19:42] <chosig> penguin42: dunno, i'm not a kwrite dev... i just wanted to see what happens :)
[19:43] <penguin42> chosig: fancy trying that URL in konq? It crashes for me when I click on the thumbnail
[19:43] <chosig> penguin42: sure, hang on
[19:44] <chosig> penguin42: got a crash too
[19:44] <penguin42> chosig: OK, I'll file it in launchpad; it can't just be my machine setup - are you 32 or 64bit?
[19:44] <chosig> penguin42: works in FF tho
[19:45] <penguin42> yeh
[19:45] <chosig> penguin42: 64
[19:45] <penguin42> same here
[19:46] <chosig> penguin42: sometimes i really hate that i bought a 64 computer, but then... lots of memory is nice :)
[19:49] <penguin42> chosig: Hey there's nothing from stopping you running 32bit on your 64bit machine
[19:50] <chosig> penguin42: yeah, but it's against priciples to do that... like just using 4 cylinders in your V8 engine... ;P
[19:51] <penguin42> hehe yes, me as well
[19:51] <penguin42> I don't suppose you've managed to get flash stable in FF have you? I've switched to konq because I can't get it even vaguely reliable in ff - gutsy used to be reasonably solid on it
[19:52] <penguin42> ok, that konq crash is #229067
[19:53] <Signil> Hi what do you guyz use to crop videos?
[19:53] <chosig> penguin42: my runs like a charm... stable and all, but ndiswrapper is making it a tad on the slow side (and cpu hungry)
[19:54] <penguin42> chosig: Interesting; flash in ff crashes randomly and then never comes back until I restart ff; in Konq it mostly works but occasionally crashes and I have to kill off the ndiswrapper
[19:55] <v6lur> Signil, define crop
[19:55] <chosig> penguin42: try to move your .mozilla folder, and restart FF... thataway you get a fresh "unpolluted" FF with just flash (and perhaps java) in it...
[19:55] <v6lur> cut some portion off the top/bottom/left/right border?
[19:55] <v6lur> generally edit?
[19:55] <montrealis> which i smore stable: ubuntu or kubuntu
[19:56] <penguin42> chosig: Yeh I might
[19:56] <penguin42> montrealis: Each have their own bugs; but in each you can run programs from the other
[19:56]  * chosig goes movie watching
[19:56] <penguin42> montrealis: So I'm running ubuntu but I'm running konqueror and ksirc
[19:57] <montrealis> kool
[19:57] <osiris> anyone else having problems with audio in flash /
[19:58] <penguin42> osiris: Are you on 32 or 64?
[19:58] <montrealis> is quanta stable in ubuntu?
[19:58] <osiris> montrealis, on my haredware i better luck with kubuntu
[19:58] <osiris> penguin42, 32
[19:58] <montrealis> oh ya? becuase of KDE?
[19:58] <penguin42> osiris: Have you got the libflashsupport package installed?
[19:58] <montrealis> should i go to KDE 4 or with KDE 3
[19:58] <osiris> i installed all the flash related packages already
[19:59] <heinkel_111> is compizconfig-settings-manager a package installed by default in kubuntu 8.04 hardu heron, or is this a relict from my previous gutsy installation? (i use the KDE3 version)
[19:59] <montrealis> osiris - Should they both work the same way?
[19:59] <penguin42> osiris: Ah hohum; the libflashsupport is a pulseaudio thing for it - there is a howto on the pulseaudio page I think
[20:00] <dennister> genii:  with your script, to be called mymount, I'm entering my username...shouldn't the username be inside the quotes, or like "uid=name"?
[20:01] <bin4ry> how together
[20:02] <bin4ry> i need to create a video dvd from divx. Tried tools like devede kmediafactory, qdvdauthor and none of em like divx as source
[20:05] <montrealis> should i go to KDE 4 or with KDE 3?
[20:05] <bin4ry> montrealis: keep kde3
[20:06] <bin4ry> kde 4 is for developer and tester only. There are major bugs in it, yet.
[20:06] <montrealis> ok more stable?
[20:06] <montrealis> i see
[20:06] <montrealis> thanks
[20:06] <o0Chris0o> is there a java addon for firefox?
[20:06] <genii> dennister: No, outside the quotes. The command inside the quotes gets executed as the username which is outside the quotes
[20:07] <dennister> and keep the '<>' around the name, or remove those marks
[20:07] <heinkel_111> what is the name of the kde windows decorator...i jsut crashed it and need to restart it
[20:07] <dennister> i took them out, but I can put them back
[20:08] <aaroncampbell> I used a command like this to sync a couple dirs on my system: "rsync --progress -av test testing/"  It seems to be working, but I was worried because it's continually saying stuff like: "(xfer#7500, to-check=8088/16823)" and I don't remember it doing that before.   Is the to-check part of the --progress switch, or is it a warning?
[20:08] <genii> dennister: to list /home/myname as user myname :     su -c "ls ~/" myname
[20:08] <genii> Same principle applies
[20:09] <dennister> k, do understand that, but do i leave the <> marks around my username in mymount? i take it no?
[20:10] <NickPresta> dennister, no
[20:13]  * penguin42 goes
[20:13] <dennister> genii: all done following your directions, will not reboot
[20:14] <NickPresta> Did he just reboot after `mount`ing something?
[20:14] <genii> Beats me :)
[20:14] <NickPresta> hehe
[20:16] <genii> NickPresta: Actually I just gave her an init.d method to do some cifs mounts, it will call a script in /usr/sbin which will execute the mounting as her username, thats what she was asking me particulars of syntax-wise
[20:17] <NickPresta> genii, ah. :)
[20:27] <dognews> re
[20:28] <dognews> flightgear startet grad
[20:28] <dognews> keine Veränderung :(
[20:28] <o0Chris0o> anyone know how I can get magic jack to work for linux?
[20:29] <jdavies> !de | dognews
[20:30] <dognews> jdavies: oh, sorry, wrong channel - thanks ;)
[20:31] <hawkeyex> hello
[20:31] <hawkeyex> does anyone know how to fix /dev/dvd so it mounts properly - it says it can't mount
[20:35] <hawkeyex> anyone awake?
[20:41]  * Rum-n-Coke is away: Gone away for now.
[20:41] <dwidmann_laptop> hawkeyex: that's a bit vague, can you give more detail?
[20:48] <Walzmyn> My video camera is plugged in via USB but is not showing up in the media folder, where do I find it?
[20:49] <dwidmann_laptop> Walzmyn: if you do "dmesg | tail" right after plugging it in, it might give you a clue of what is being done with it/what device it's being assigned to/etc
[20:50] <Walzmyn> dwidmann_laptop, hvae to be right after plugging in?
[20:51] <dwidmann_laptop> Walzmyn: well, so long as nothing else is written to dmesg before you do dmesg | tail, no, but if you do it right away you'll be assured of seeing what you want.
[20:51] <lukas_> je tu niekto kto rozumie co pisem?
[20:52] <Walzmyn> I'm not finding anything there that's helping me, what is dmesg?
[20:52] <dwidmann_laptop> Walzmyn: a system log file
[20:52] <Walzmyn> k
[20:53] <Walzmyn> what is addrconf?
[20:53] <dwidmann_laptop> I don't know, but that doesn't sound like it would have anything to do with your device
[20:54] <dwidmann_laptop> /msg Walzmyn
[20:54] <dwidmann_laptop> [90355.143981] usb 4-1: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 3
[20:55] <dwidmann_laptop> [90355.278072] usb 4-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[20:55] <dwidmann_laptop> [90355.281270] scsi6 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
[20:55] <dwidmann_laptop> [90355.281457] usb-storage: device found at 3
[20:55] <Walzmyn> it's telling me the addrconf link is not ready, was why i asked
[20:55] <dwidmann_laptop> [90355.281459] usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning
[20:55] <dwidmann_laptop> [90360.277142] usb-storage: device scan complete
[20:55] <dwidmann_laptop> [90360.277939] scsi 6:0:0:0: Direct-Access     ST340063 3AS                   PQ: 0 ANSI: 2 CCS
[20:55] <dwidmann_laptop> [90360.285539] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] 781422768 512-byte hardware sectors (400088 MB)
[20:55] <dwidmann_laptop> [90360.286292] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off
[20:55] <dwidmann_laptop> [90360.286296] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 00 38 00 00
[20:55] <dwidmann_laptop> [90360.286298] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through
[20:55] <dwidmann_laptop> [90360.287405] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] 781422768 512-byte hardware sectors (400088 MB)
[20:55] <dwidmann_laptop> [90360.288163] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off
[20:55] <dwidmann_laptop> [90360.288166] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 00 38 00 00
[20:55] <dwidmann_laptop> [90360.288168] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through
[20:55] <dwidmann_laptop> [90360.288171]  sdb: sdb1
[20:55] <dwidmann_laptop> [90360.307871] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI disk
[20:55] <dwidmann_laptop> [90360.307907] sd 6:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0
[20:55] <dwidmann_laptop> piece of crap :(
[20:56] <dwidmann_laptop> one sec, I'll see what google has to say about that.
[20:56] <BluesKaj> dwidmann_laptop, what are you doing ?
[20:56] <Walzmyn> dwidmann_laptop, what are you doing
[20:56] <BluesKaj> :)
[20:56] <Walzmyn> I think he got a key stuck
[20:57] <Walzmyn> I've got nothing in dmsg that mentions USB is there a way to make sure my USB is enabled?
[20:58] <dwidmann_laptop> Walzmyn: if you have it it's probably enabled, unless it's disabled in your BIOS
[20:58] <dennister> genii: ok, we're getting there...but I still have to manually mount my shares after reboot, as su, give that password, then am asked for my samba password...then all three shares mount from the one terminal mounting command
[20:59] <zetheroo> what new plugins are available for Gwenview?
[20:59] <zetheroo> the kipi-plugins package no longer works
[21:00] <dennister> i tried, in system services, to get mymount to start at bootime, but starting or restarting it from there failed...now it shows that it is set to start at boot, but isn't running at the moment (not right after boot, or after manual mounting of shares)
[21:00] <dwidmann_laptop> It doesn't??? Ouch, that sucks.... does kipi-plugins still work in digikam zetheroo?
[21:00] <zetheroo> ﻿dwidmann_laptop: I don't know
[21:01] <zetheroo> ﻿dwidmann_laptop: I am using Gwenview in Ubuntu ... and with the older version the kipi-plugins worked fine
[21:01] <dwidmann_laptop> zetheroo: hmm, have you filed a bug report yet?
[21:01] <dwidmann_laptop> zetheroo: http://bugs.launchpad.net
[21:01] <zetheroo> I never have
[21:01] <zetheroo> don't knwo how to
[21:02] <zetheroo> dunno if its even a bug
[21:02] <zetheroo> maybe its not meant to work
[21:02] <zetheroo> !?
[21:02] <dwidmann_laptop> zetheroo: if things aren't working the way they're intended to, then it's a bug.
[21:02] <dwidmann_laptop> zetheroo: heck, if it's not working the way you WANT it to, you could file a bug report ... though that usually falls under wishlist, but if it isn't functional at all then that's definitely a bug.
[21:03] <zetheroo> maybe the kipi-plugins are only for the older version of Gwenview!?
[21:03] <dwidmann_laptop> zetheroo: That's not likely.
[21:03] <genii> dennister: I think when it asks for password at mount time and no user can input it, it skips over. So add as options in the /user/sbin/mymount user=myname,password=mypassword to the lines
[21:04] <dwidmann_laptop> zetheroo: click the link, create your account, and file a bug against the "kipi-plugins" package in the "ubuntu" project.
[21:04] <dennister> k, thought of that as a solution...but really, this is in my credentials fle in fstab (/etc/samba/user)
[21:05] <earthsound> i upgraded kubuntu from 7 to 8.04 & now flash isn't working inside firefox :(
[21:05] <zetheroo> ﻿dwidmann_laptop: it will be my first.... what the heck..... but I would rather that someone here knew about it ... sigh
[21:05] <_crash_> !rt61
[21:05] <_crash_> !ralink
[21:06] <earthsound> i tried taking the official adobe .rpm for 9.0.124 & used alien to convert it to a .deb & then installed it...& although the plugin is in firefox's plugins directory, it's not working (or showing up in about:plugins)
[21:06] <dwidmann_laptop> zetheroo: I'd check things out myself, except, my laptop's package cache is way out of date and I don't want to do a massive download right now ... my desktop is out of commission, think the motherboard went bad/was bad to begin with.
[21:07] <_crash_> dwidman!
[21:07] <dwidmann_laptop> hey _crash_
[21:07] <_crash_> Fix it!
[21:07] <zetheroo> ﻿dwidmann_laptop: no worries... sorry for your troubles
[21:07] <dwidmann_laptop> _crash_: fix what?
 I've been chasing down leads and fixes and whatnot ever since I installed 8.04 on my thinkpad
[21:08] <Kiry> I still can NOT get the sound to work
[21:08] <dwidmann_laptop> _crash_: I intend to get to the bottom of my desktop's troubles tomorrow, via warranty work or RMA ...
[21:08] <_crash_> dwidmann_laptop: Whats going on with it?
[21:08] <araizen> when I insert my USB disk it auto-mounts it, but with the owner as root so I can't write to it. Is there a way to fix that so that I automatically have write access when I insert it?
[21:08] <dwidmann_laptop> _crash_: it hard reboots once every few minutes.
[21:09] <_crash_> OS?
[21:09] <dwidmann_laptop> _crash_: os independent
[21:10] <_crash_> dwidmann_laptop: checked the obvious stuff? (heating, loose connections, overclock settings, ram timing, etc?)
[21:11] <zetheroo> ﻿dwidmann_laptop: I went to the KDE4 Kipi site and it looks like I need to try installing libkipi instead of kipi-plugins ... so I am giving that a shot
[21:11] <_crash_> dwidmann_laptop: Do you know anything about rt61 drivers?
[21:11] <dwidmann_laptop> _crash_: it was happening at random, but far less often, once every day or two, then I added in 2 gig of RAM (passes memtest fine how it doens't crash when I'm running memtest is beyond me ...which leads me to my next idea), I also added a second hard drive nad DVD drive. ...... Maybe the SATA controller is bad.  Processor isn't melting down or anything though it's not as coolas I'd like _crash_, and I'm not overclocking
[21:11] <dwidmann_laptop> _crash_: never heard of 'em, but maybe google will tell me
[21:13] <_crash_> dwidmann_laptop: Well, when all else fails, pull the new hardware and then add it piece by piece until it fails
[21:15] <dwidmann_laptop> _crash_: I think I'll test the drives in my old setup to see if they're the point of failure, but I'm doubting it, though they would be cheaper to replace if this comes down to having to come out of my pocket .... power supply I'd also love to swap for testing but I don't have a second one with the 8-pin plug for the motherboard :(
[21:17] <posingaspopular> !grub
[21:17] <andresj> does kubuntu hardy kde4 use pulseaudio as phonon backend? or alsa directly?
[21:17] <_crash_> dwidmann_laptop: good idea, but consider that there may be nothing wrong with the drive OR the sata controller. There could just be a bug in the communication with your specific hardware.
[21:17] <_crash_> Happens all the time
[21:18] <jussi01> andresj: alsa directly iirc, but for more kde4 support go to #kubuntu-kde4 :)
[21:18] <dwidmann_laptop> _crash_: possible
[21:18] <dwidmann_laptop> _crash_: either way it's likely to take a lot of time for me to figure out during which I'll be without my desktop computer :(
[21:19] <andresj> jussi01: k thanks :D
[21:19] <_crash_> true
[21:19] <_crash_> goin afk a minute
[21:21] <bourdain> derp derp
[21:22] <dennister> genii: it's still not working; i still have to manually mount one (get 3 shares mounted for price of 1 command) and I'm still being asked for my samba password
[21:23] <genii> bah
[21:24] <dennister> however, my back is killing me and I'm going to have to lie down for a couple of hours to rest it...its funny, i was able yesterday to see this pc and the others, and fully use the samba shares on this pc, even with the dmesg errors......just not in reverse
[21:25] <dennister> oops...i should say i was able to see/use this pc and its shares FROM the other pc's...just not from this one
[21:26] <jussi01> does anyone know how to add a table of contents in open office? ie. one that takes the headings automatically?
[21:26] <dennister> genii: be around in 2-3 hours?
[21:26] <genii> dennister: Probably
[21:27] <dennister> ok, i'll take another stab at this then...thank you
[21:27] <v6lur> i'm trying to install official last.fm client, but it demands libgpod2 (hardy has libgpod3). any possible diversions/tricks/dark magik?
[21:27] <jussi01> v6lur: use the amarok plugin?
[21:28] <v6lur> i need it for testing purposes :)
[21:31] <dmbkiwi> hey, just installed hardy, and got a couple of issues.
[21:31] <dmbkiwi> first is that if I manually configure my ethernet interface through knetworkmanager, the network shows that there is no active device.  Flip back to dhcp, and all is good.  Problem is I want a fixed address on this machine.
[21:34] <humbolto> kde4 has it's own compositing manager I heard. How do I disable compiz. It seems to be automatically started!
[21:36] <maduser> kwin --replace
[21:36] <trident523> k for the win.
[21:37] <maduser> humbolto: thats for you ^
[21:37] <wimpies> HI all, the screen resolution of my desktop is lower than that of the login manager.  I can change the resolution using krandtray but when I logout the resolution reverts back to a low resolution.  How can I persist that change ?
[21:37] <humbolto> tnx, however, do you guys know, where I find the setting to prevent compiz from starting automatically the next time>
[21:38] <humbolto> The weird thing is, that I don't even have compiz start automatically in gnome! But it does in kde4.
[21:39] <humbolto> Why is KDE so fast and damn Gnome so freaking slow?!
[21:39] <jussi01> !fixres | wimpies
[21:40] <humbolto> The worst thing in gnome is nautilus. Not even Windows Explorer is so slow!
[21:43] <TheGentleman> Recently upgraded to Kubuntu Hardy, I never tried Compiz before. Now I'm curious about it and I would like to give compiz a try.
[21:43] <TheGentleman> My concern is the following:
[21:44] <TheGentleman> should I don't like it, can I restore my system to previous without risks and not loosing anything in performance?
[21:46] <TheGentleman> in other words... is uninstalling Compiz as smooth, fool and failproof as it should be installing it?
[21:46] <harolddong> can I ask about flash stuff here?
[21:46] <BonesolTeraDyne> !ask | harolddong
[21:46] <TheGentleman> braulio:  valtellinese?
[21:48] <braulio> Sorry, I'm speak portuguese.
[21:48] <TheGentleman> oh, ok.... sorry....
[21:48] <braulio> Thanks.
[21:48] <jontec> is there any way that I can download files from apt-get for my other computer??
[21:49] <TheGentleman> wget?
[21:49] <jontec> TheGentleman: how would I know which urls to use?
[21:50] <harolddong> when I first upgraded to hardy flash played much than they ever had before on gutsy.  But since then the performance has degraded and I can't figure out what changed.  lower res vids play fine but higher res vids are just a slideshow now... even worse than they were on gutsy.  Is this something that's coming up for other people?
[21:50] <TheGentleman> you shall only know in which repository is the file you want, i guess
[21:52] <zetheroo> ok here is my bug:  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161925
[22:02] <kkerwin> Hi. Tried running a java application, but got this error from the console. Help, please? http://pastebin.com/m6f2de5fb
[22:05] <nielsslot> kkerwin: you'll probably want sun java instead of stablevm
[22:05] <kkerwin> nielsslot: Cool. What's the name of that package?
[22:06] <stdin> sun-java6-jre for the runtime
[22:06] <_crash_> The Belkin f5d9010 Wireless G with Mimo (no h/w rev) with the rt2600 chipset works out of the box with Kubuntu 8.04 if anyone cares
[22:09] <kkerwin> Hmm. sun-java6-jre appears to be installed. I wonder how come it's using stablevm instead?
[22:12] <axel> hola
[22:12] <Mimi> hello
[22:13] <axel> de donde sos
[22:13] <Mimi> mmm...
[22:13] <Mimi> !es |  does that help? ^_^;;
[22:13] <Mimi> no hablo mucho espanol ;p
[22:14] <josivan> free ubuntu
[22:15] <wimpies> hi all, Xawtv shows no image and no sound but KDETV does.  AFAIK the -debug2 option on xawtv does not show any error (perhaps the XVideo : video off message).  Suggestions ?
[22:18] <scarygary> Evening..
[22:20] <scarygary> I can't get password-less logins to work with kdm-kde4.
[22:20] <scarygary> I made all the changes to kdmrc, but no go.
[22:21] <genii> in /usr/lib/kde4/etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc ?
[22:22] <scarygary> genii: yes
[22:23] <stdin> kdm-kde4 uses /etc/kde4/kdm/
[22:23] <scarygary> Really?? How come they left /usr/lib/kde4/etc/kde4/kdm/ in there then?
[22:23] <stdin> well, it should use it, not sure what it does use now
[22:24] <stdin> grep "KDMRC" /etc/init.d/kdm-kde4
[22:24] <stdin> whatever that says
[22:25] <kgx> !java
[22:25] <scarygary> It's using the one in /usr/lib
[22:25] <scarygary> I'm not on 4.0.4 btw.
[22:26] <scarygary> This is 4.0.3
[22:28] <scarygary> AllowNullPasswd=true, NoPassEnable=true and NoPassUsers=junior is in my kdmrc
[22:34] <scarygary> O
[22:35] <scarygary> I'm upgrading to 4.0.4. If it still doesn't work i'm crying wolf.
[22:35] <scarygary> Major regression..
[22:35] <scarygary> bbiaf
[22:42] <darkwolf> was somebody crying for me?
[22:44] <scarygary> Not working in 4.0.4 either. Plus the login background is fubar.
[22:44] <scarygary> This is a brand new install..
[22:45] <scarygary> I cant be the only one with that problem.
[22:52] <carl> hello
[22:52] <Josh0vki> !hello
[22:53] <carl> i have a strange problem
[22:53] <kgx> !dolphin
[22:53] <Josh0vki> carl: whats your problem?
[22:54] <BonesolTeraDyne> Someone needs to update that "dolphin" trigger
[22:54] <carl> if i use my sound card (which works !), when i'll shutdown my computer, it won't turn off !
[22:55] <scott25> can someone help me with this error "run_program :'/sbin/modprobe' abnormal exit" (i get it when i boot)
[22:55] <Josh0vki> carl: your computer wont shutoff?
[22:56] <carl> yes, the hard disk makes the "shutoff sound" and my keyboard leds do the "shutoff blink" but i get stucked on the empty bar upslash screen
[22:57] <carl> i've found that if i run "sudo alsa unload" before shutting down (and after using my soundcard), it will shut off
[22:57] <carl> it's a dirty workaround, and i'd like to find a resolution to the problem
[22:58] <Josh0vki> odd error
[22:59] <holyguyver_> Hey guys, it is me the 1998 Gateway guy. I just bought a HP Pavilion Slimline s3120n PC, how well will Linux play with that?
[22:59] <carl> yes it is, ho i have this bug for gutsy and hardy
[23:00] <scott25> can someone help me with this error "run_program :'/sbin/modprobe' abnormal exit" (i get it when i boot)
[23:01] <Josh0vki> carl: its not a perfect solution but as a work around you could add   alsa unload   into the shutdown script
[23:02] <carl> Josh0vki: i think i'll try this, cuold rou remind me where is that file (i'm still a beginner)
[23:03] <Josh0vki> carl: two seconds i will find it
[23:03] <Josh0vki> carl: /etc/rc0.d   not 100 sure if it will work tho
[23:04] <Josh0vki> carl: whats the make / model of your computer?
[23:05] <Josh0vki> or sound card
[23:06] <carl> Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller [8086:2668]
[23:07] <carl> it's in a dfi motherboard
[23:11] <Josh0vki> carl: there are a few bug reports for this thing, but not solutions
[23:12] <carl> so the rc0 scrip may be the best solution
[23:14] <Josh0vki> yeh, create a file in /etc/rc0.d   and put  #!/bin/sh       unload alsa        and then save the file, you must remember to chmod it twith      sudo chmod a+x /etc/rc0.d/filename
[23:15] <carl> i'm getting better everyday ! that's exactly what i've done
[23:15] <raket> hey people, I installed another keyboard layout, and I picked a key combination so I can change it whenever I need it... but Alt-Shift in this case doesn't work. as in, it won't change the languages
[23:16] <raket> any ideas what could be the deal?
[23:17] <carl> i test that now, i'm coming back for the results
[23:17] <Josh0vki> kk :)
[23:17] <Josh0vki> goodluck
[23:18] <raket> thanks carl
[23:23] <raket> one more thing
[23:24] <raket> is Deluge having problems in Kubuntu? when I try to start it, it says "loading" in the taskbar, but after a little bit it disappears... what gives!?
[23:26] <wimpies>  anybody here that can help me with xawtv ??
[23:29] <HashCasper> ubuntu did no help it is big and too faster
[23:29] <HashCasper> i have need of two files
[23:29] <HashCasper> can help mefind it?
[23:30] <HashCasper> i rquire kernel+ramdisk file of netinst installer, so i can boot them through grub
[23:30] <HashCasper> that way i can start a very small netinst of kubuntu
[23:30] <HashCasper> it will download full installer + base system
[23:31] <HashCasper> can you help me find the files for this install type
[23:31] <HashCasper> this channel small
[23:31] <HashCasper> i can read it not fast like ubuntu
[23:31] <HashCasper> thank you
[23:32] <carl> i'm back...and it didn't work, maybe a problem with the script ?
[23:32] <raket> is that for me, carl?
[23:32] <carl> i don't think so (my sound card not shutting off problem)
[23:46] <PovAddict> I need help installing Flash
[23:46] <PovAddict> and #ubuntu is a mess
[23:46] <PovAddict> I installed mozilla-plugin-gnash and it gave this error:
[23:47] <PovAddict> update-alternatives: unable to make /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/plugins/flashplugin-alternative.so.dpkg-tmp a symlink to /etc/alternatives/xulrunner-addons-flashplugin: No such file or directory
[23:48] <bleaked> PovAddict: doesn't flash just install the first time you go to a site that uses it?
[23:48] <PovAddict> you mean the official adobe plugin?
[23:48] <PovAddict> I'm on 64-bit
[23:49] <PovAddict> so no
[23:49] <david__> remote contact est.
[23:49] <bleaked> PovAddict: not sure about that.. does installing flashplugin-nonfree help?
[23:49] <david__> weasels, hooooo!
[23:49] <PovAddict> bleaked: there is no nonfree for 64-bit
[23:50] <PovAddict> in fact I can't even find "flashplugin-nonfree" in the repos (apt-cache search flash doesn't show it)
[23:50] <bleaked> argh.. my bad..well, not sure then.. (personally i'm waiting a few years to adopt 64 bit for reasons like these)
[23:50] <david__> I swear to a God, got this cool friggin' super serve, gettin' tired of the master slam!
[23:50] <david__> Watch it pull...
[23:50] <david__> |80<<53
[23:50] <bleaked> PovAddict: well, you have to have the medibuntu repo enabled..(or it might be in universe or multiverse as well..not sure though)
[23:51] <PovAddict> I don't have multiverse enabled
[23:51] <PovAddict> anyway I'd need a 32-bit browser to use adobe's plugin
[23:51] <PovAddict> along with a shitload of 32-bit libraries for said browser to run
[23:52] <PovAddict> too much effort, and I don't even need Flash, I just want my mom to stop complaining about some websites not working (she complained enough about me putting Linux in here...)
[23:52] <bleaked> PovAddict: yea, honestly, 64-bit is really not tailored for the desktop at this point.. it's best used on servers
[23:53] <PovAddict> my "desktop" is permanently at 100% CPU
[23:53] <bleaked> have you searched the forums?
[23:53] <PovAddict> $ uptime
[23:53] <PovAddict>  19:53:20 up 17:39,  2 users,  load average: 2.17, 2.23, 2.20
[23:53] <iceolate> any idea why i can use torrent and irc clients but not web browsing and package manager installs?
[23:54] <PovAddict> and I do have stuff that actually goes 3x faster on 64-bit
[23:54] <PovAddict> anyway any idea why Gnash doesn't install?
[23:54] <PovAddict> it's one of the few times I have had a package actually fail to install
[23:55] <PovAddict> kinda impressive how quiet this channel is compared to #ubuntu mess
[23:55] <carl> maybe there are less problems with kde ? (oops)
[23:56] <PovAddict> carl++
[23:56] <carl> and i finally succeeded with my sound card workaround
[23:56] <PovAddict> maybe most noobs go with the default: gnome
[23:56] <SlimeyPete> considerably fewer users than Ubuntu, I imagine ;)
[23:57] <heroicwisdom> Hi, can somebody help me with installing ralink drivers on my PC?
[23:58] <heroicwisdom> its a wireless driver