[00:44] <rio> where can i find the maintainer of libgphoto2?
[00:44] <rio> i fixed a problem with certain canon cameras
[00:51] <LaserJock> rio: probably the best is to file/find a bug and attach a patch
[00:51] <LaserJock> rio: we don't have specific maintainers
[00:53] <mathrick> hi, sorry for dropping in out of the blue, however, upgrading to Hardy exposed me to the atrocity of freesans again... so is anyone familiar with fonts / fonts.conf situation enough to tell why exactly Free{Sans,Mono,Serif} aren't listed as absolutely last in the list, emergency fallback fonts if there's really nothing else?
[00:53] <rio> LaserJock: i already did that
[00:53] <LaserJock> rio: great, thanks for that
[00:53] <mathrick> and where/whose buttons do I press to see them banished in Hardy+1?
[00:54] <rio> LaserJock: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libgphoto2/+bug/228154 :)
[00:55] <LaserJock> rio: cool
[01:01] <rio> LaserJock: which status should i set?
[01:03] <LaserJock> rio: hmm, I guess back to New
[01:03] <LaserJock> as I don't see anybody confirming it
[01:04] <rio> okay
[03:45] <ted2> So, where do I find "merge-genchanges"?
[03:54] <LaserJock> ted2: it's created by grab-merge.sh
[03:55] <LaserJock> and it's wherever you ran grab-merge.sh from
[04:08] <ted2> LaserJock: Cool, thanks.  I found it now :)
[08:05] <Auzy> hey.. I assume its known that brainstorm has run out of space again?
[11:04] <Riddell> pitti, doko, Mithrandir: could you give back strigi/0.5.9-1
[11:31] <Xtreme_Great> I wanted some help regarding kernel module programming
[11:31] <Xtreme_Great> The compiler can't find module.h
[11:31] <Xtreme_Great> can anyone help?
[11:32] <Xtreme_Great> I wanted some help regarding kernel module programming
[11:32] <Xtreme_Great> anyone?
[11:36] <Hobbsee> ...
[11:36] <Hobbsee> fail.  on multiple criteria.
[11:37] <Xtreme_Great> Is there anyone who can help me out with the module.h not found problem?
[11:37] <Xtreme_Great> I can't understand where to get that
[11:37] <Xtreme_Great> anyone of all 231
[11:37] <Hobbsee> Xtreme_Great: please read the /topic
[11:38] <Hobbsee> !weekend
[11:38] <Hobbsee> Xtreme_Great: dpkg -S module.h will give your answer.
[11:39] <Hobbsee> Xtreme_Great: also, packages.ubuntu.com would have told you.
[11:43] <mok0> Xtreme_Great: there are 166 packages containing module.h
[11:43] <mok0> :(
[11:45]  * Hobbsee suggests picking the most sane one.
[11:46]  * mok0 concurs
[13:12] <LucidFox> What's the point of having both cairo and libcairo?
[13:12] <LucidFox> they provide the same binary packages, only cairo is newer
[13:20] <geser> LucidFox: check if it was renamed in Debian and we simply forgot to remove the old source package
[13:21] <LucidFox> it was indeed renamed in Debian, and then in Ubuntu
[13:22] <geser> file a remove request for the old source package then
[13:23] <LucidFox> maybe there was some reason?
[13:24] <LucidFox> I imagine if libcairo  was simply forgotten, it would stay in main - instead it was demoted to universe
[13:25] <geser> LucidFox: there should be no reason to have two source packages building the same binary debs
[13:26] <geser> as you can only have one version of the binary debs in the archive (the newer ones)
[13:26] <Hobbsee> LucidFox: if nothing depends on it, it would get marked on teh 'drop' list
[13:28] <geser> Hobbsee: libcairo is the old source package name of cairo (both produce the same binaries)
[13:28] <Hobbsee> right
[13:28] <Hobbsee> then file a bug, get it removed
[13:29] <Hobbsee> as you said :
[13:29] <Hobbsee> * :)
[13:31] <cjwatson> LucidFox: demotion to universe is the sort of thing that might well happen semi-automatically
[13:31] <cjwatson> without somebody thinking too much about it
[13:31] <cjwatson> removals tend to require actual thought
[13:34] <LucidFox> can it be removed from hardy now, or only from intrepid?
[13:34] <cjwatson> can't remove packages from hardy now
[13:34] <cjwatson> or "won't" if you prefer, but the result is the same :)
[14:16] <emgent> heya thesaltydog
[14:16] <thesaltydog> mom
[14:16] <emgent> dad?
[14:17] <emgent> :)
[14:17] <Lightkey> oO
[14:17] <Lightkey> I know a salty-horse, are you two related?
[14:18] <emgent> Lightkey: i think now :)
[14:18] <emgent> s/now/no/
[14:18] <thesaltydog> eccomi, ma vado di corsa!
[14:19] <emgent> thesaltydog: this is an english room, anyway no problem :P
[14:19] <Lightkey> no, the other was from israel..
[14:19] <thesaltydog> oh, sorry. I have 5 tabs opened!
[14:19] <Lightkey> that is not much
[14:19] <thesaltydog> Hi oliver ogra!
[14:20] <thesaltydog> Lightkey, for me is over my limit..:-(
[14:20] <stgraber> I have something like 21 chans opened, not that hard to manage
[14:21] <helowo> 8->7 here ;)
[14:21] <Lightkey> no chance, I have the longest
[15:13] <Chipzz> what's with this? http://bobthegnome.blogspot.com/2008/05/apportbug-buddy-disabled-in-ubuntu-804.html
[15:13] <Chipzz> what is the intended behaviour for that?
[15:26] <ssam> Chipzz, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/ the change log for 0.108 say "Disable Apport for the final Hardy release"
[15:47] <cjwatson> Chipzz: yeah, it's intentional
[15:47] <cjwatson> bug-buddy should maybe have the same done to it
[15:48] <cjwatson> (maaaaybe)
[16:01] <Chipzz> cjwatson: but the post mentions bug-buddy not being enabled either - is that a bug or intended behaviour?
[16:04] <cjwatson> Chipzz: the subject line says that, but the post itself doesn't back it up; a comment indicates that bug-buddy probably is enabled
[16:05] <cjwatson> though that comment is also odd because Ubuntu 8.04 does have bug-buddy 2.22 and there's no obvious reason why it shouldn't have been upgraded along with everything else; also it is still installed by default
[16:06] <cjwatson> so it's unclear to me exactly what's going on there
[16:26] <andrew___> Can a package in main suggest or recommend a package outside of main?
[16:37] <sistpoty> andrew___: suggest: definitely... it used to be that it can recommend a package outside main as well... not sure if this is still true though
[16:37] <andrew___> Okay, good.
[16:37]  * andrew___ continues pondering
[16:43] <pochu> would an archive admin approve a package which just has 'BSD' in LICENSE?
[16:44] <geser> pochu: just the word "BSD" or the complete BSD licence text?
[16:44] <pochu> just the word
[16:44] <andrew___> Surely that's ambiguous?
[16:44] <andrew___> (How many clauses of BSD license do you mean)
[16:45] <pochu> I see
[16:46] <andrew___> Why not include the whole thing?
[16:46] <pochu> ask upstream :)
[16:46] <andrew___> Ah :)
[16:47] <andrew___> How about you started maintaining a very close fork?
[16:49] <pochu> andrew___: I guess I can't fork it since I don't know what BSD license it has ;-)
[16:49] <pochu> andrew___: anyway I'm reviewing it, not packaging it :)
[16:49] <pochu> I'll ask the packager to ask upstream to fix this
[16:49] <andrew___> Good catch-22.
[16:49] <pochu> also there's no single 'copyright' word in all the upstream code
[16:50] <andrew___> Yeah, I'm no lawyer, but it doesn't sound legally very useful.
[16:50] <pochu> right
[16:50] <andrew___> Especially if there's no hint who it's attributed to or how you'd contact them.
[16:51] <pochu> well, there's the AUTHORS file with their names and emails, but my problem is that the packager put 'Copyright 2008 ...' but I wonder if that's true, as I can't find that in the upstream code :)
[16:51] <pochu> btw, how many BSD licenses there are?
[16:52] <andrew___> Wikipedia would know.
[16:52] <andrew___> (I'm upgrading to Hardy at last, so my browsers don't work :s)
[16:53] <andrew___> You can get templates for them all, just get them to change $NAME etc. to whoever owns the files.
[16:53] <andrew___> Anyway, speaking of upgrading, I have to reboot now - brb.
[18:21] <Xtreme_Great> I needed some help regarding building my ubuntu kernel's restricted drivers
[18:21] <Xtreme_Great> can anyone help?
[18:24] <Xtreme_Great> anyone???
[18:24] <Xtreme_Great> hello?
[18:24] <Xtreme_Great> anyone home?'
[18:25]  * jdavies sighs
[18:26] <jdong> jdavies: reading the topic is a lost art, isn't it.
[18:26] <jdavies> jdong: that's the third time I've seen him do that in seperate channels
[18:27] <ion_> I’m still in favor of making ChanServ tell people joining to read the topic.
[18:27] <jdong> ion_: still wouldn't work, based on experience.
[18:28] <jdong> ion_: when Backports still took requests from the forums, I had a 1/2 page bold forum header describing the proper post format. Nobody listened.
[18:28] <jdong> ion_: at one point I got pissed off and made it <font size="72">
[18:28] <jdong> still got people who, after scrolling down 5 pages to the New Post button, forgot the proper posting format. again.
[18:28] <geser> jdong: it didn't help either, did it?
[18:28] <jdong> :)
[18:28] <jdong> I don't know what it would've taken. A strobing flash applet with sound?
[18:29]  * jdavies still follows: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11280/
[18:30] <ion_> A magic word within the message one needs to type next to the submit button? :-)
[18:30] <geser> a big captcha with the post format description?
[18:30] <jdong> geser: ROFL
[18:30] <jdong> "Type the following paragraph EXACTLY as you see it..."
[18:32] <tseliot> ﻿jdong: would death threats help? :-P
[19:40] <nxvl> is there something like an upload count?
[19:40] <andrew___> For uploading what?
[19:40] <nxvl> packages into ubuntu
[19:42] <laga> pitti: thanks for fixing apport
[19:42] <andrew___> The short answer is that I don't know, but I'd assume you could piece it together from new versions of packages.
[19:42] <geser> nxvl: you mean how many uploads a person did?
[19:50] <nxvl> geser: yup
[19:50] <geser> nxvl: http://ubuntu.joejaxx.org/ but it gets updated irregularly
[19:51] <nxvl> geser: thnx
[19:51] <Amaranth> Riddell does more uploads than seb128? I find that hard to believe :P
[19:52] <geser> Amaranth: kde language packs :)
[19:52] <joejaxx> i need to change that for ibex
[19:52] <Amaranth> hehe
[19:52] <Amaranth> And I guess seb128 has a team of people doing GNOME updates now
[19:53] <nxvl> Amaranth: kde4 comes in the middle of the development cicle
[19:53] <nxvl> Amaranth: also there is kde3.5 and kde4, against only one version of gnome
[19:53] <nxvl> it's understudable
[20:41] <emgent> heya dendrobates :)
[20:51] <sistpoty> hi, what's the lp name for x developers?
[20:51] <sistpoty> tjaalton: or should I subscribe you to bug 229079 instead?
[20:52] <sistpoty> tjaalton: (just saw, you're not away... not that I want to blame anyone here *g*)
[20:55] <sistpoty> oh, just saw that ubuntu-x is already subscribed, so nevermind :)
[20:55]  * norsetto wonders who fujitsu is ...
[20:56] <sistpoty> heh, my brain still hasn't realized the fujitus -> wgrant change :)
[20:56] <sistpoty> fujitsu even
[20:56] <emgent> true :p
[20:56] <emgent> hi norsetto
[20:58] <norsetto> emgent: ./
[21:06] <sistpoty> tkamppeter: just saw your comment to bug #229016, thanks! however I guess you'll also want to conflict on system-config-printer-kde (at least versioned, for the versions shipping smburi.py)
[21:06] <sistpoty> (otherwise the upgrade path might be broken)
[21:15] <elmo> as a reminder: Launchpad will be offline from maintenance in 45 minutes time, for 2 hours (i.e. 21:00-23:00 UTC)
[21:53] <sistpoty> anyone, who'd like to sponsor debdiff 1 from bug #229016 (http://launchpadlibrarian.net/14432575/scpkde.debdiff)?
[21:54] <sistpoty> (Riddell... ? as it will still need to get updated in bzr)?
[22:11] <pwnguin> topic too long ;)
[22:12] <jdavies> pwnguin: that happens ;-)
[23:09] <tmmoyer> if I apply a patch and rebuild a package to use on local machines, should I use dch -n to increment the version number and will that be seen as a version number greater than the unpatched version?
[23:18] <sistpoty> tmmoyer: afaik, yes. the next ubuntu version would usually be taken from dch -i so I assume it's true
[23:19] <tmmoyer> okay.  also is there a way to force apt-get -d to only download the specified packages and not any unsatisfied dependencies?
[23:20] <sistpoty> tmmoyer: no idea actually... maybe be both pinning packages and specifing what you want to upgrade?
[23:21] <sistpoty> (or just pinning?)
[23:23] <tmmoyer> so what I need to do is get some packages to put on the install CD (for customizing purposes) and I only need to get packages I specify
[23:24] <tmmoyer> basically I have a list of all packages that I need on the CD, and I have removed any packages that are already on the CD leaving me a list of packages that I need to put on the CD.  I would like to find a way to download only those packages I need not all of the depends as well
[23:25] <sistpoty> tmmoyer: as in list of packages with dependencies or w.o.?
[23:26] <tmmoyer> yes.  I used the program germinate to generate a list of all packages needed, then removed any packages for which I already have the deb files
[23:26] <andrew___> Could you wget them with a shell script?
[23:27] <andrew___> for f in $(<package_list) ; do wget http://myarchive/dists/hardy/blah/blah/$f ; done
[23:29] <tmmoyer> so right now the package list is something I could pass to apt-get directly (package names only) what would be the easiest way to convert these to full paths that I can pass to wget
[23:29] <sistpoty> tmmoyer: should be easy then... iirc packages.gz contains a relative link to all (binary) packages locations (w.o. the name, you'd need to get this from version + package name in packgages.gz) to download
[23:29] <sistpoty> tmmoyer: however I'm not entirely sure about this... and iirc there might be s.th. out there which does that for you
[23:30] <sistpoty> tmmoyer: (maybe casper, but I guess you'll want to look at debimg as well)
[23:38] <tmmoyer> I may just deal with the dependencies, since in my cases right now, it is only 3 files.  I may just install the dependencies and then run the download
[23:39] <sistpoty> tmmoyer: whatever you think fits best your need ;)
[23:39] <andrew___> I hope I'm not being rude, but did you guys hear my suggestion before?
[23:40] <sistpoty> andrew___: I did at least. but I'm not the one with that endavour ;)
[23:40] <tmmoyer> andrew___: yes I did, the only problem is that I need a way to convert the package list to a series of urls to pass to wget,
[23:41] <andrew___> If it's just three, you could do it manually.
[23:41] <tmmoyer> the only way I know how to do that right now is through apt-get which resolves dependecies
[23:41] <tmmoyer> yeah my end goal though is complete automation of the process
[23:41] <tmmoyer> meaning I would like to find automatic methods of doing these things
[23:41] <andrew___> Ah, fair enough.
[23:42] <andrew___> I agree with sistpoty about checking the packages list then.
[23:42] <tmmoyer> yeah may not be a bad idea
[23:42] <sistpoty> (imho actually there should be some apt thingy to use for this... I'm not sure, but I guess there are python-bindings for apt, which could help you further)
[23:42] <tmmoyer> other than the customization page on the wiki is there any place where alternate CD creation is documented from beginning to end?
[23:42] <tmmoyer> yeah
[23:42] <tmmoyer> thanks
[23:43] <tmmoyer> hopefully things work out
[23:44] <andrew___> FIW, `grep "Package: $package" /var/lib/apt/lists/* -A15 -h | grep ^Filename:` gets you most of the way there.
[23:44] <andrew___> *FWIW
[23:48] <ion_> andrew: grep-dctrl(1)
[23:50] <andrew___> That's better :)