=== asac__ is now known as asac === gnomefre1k is now known as gnomefreak [00:44] where can i find the maintainer of libgphoto2? [00:44] i fixed a problem with certain canon cameras [00:51] rio: probably the best is to file/find a bug and attach a patch [00:51] rio: we don't have specific maintainers [00:53] hi, sorry for dropping in out of the blue, however, upgrading to Hardy exposed me to the atrocity of freesans again... so is anyone familiar with fonts / fonts.conf situation enough to tell why exactly Free{Sans,Mono,Serif} aren't listed as absolutely last in the list, emergency fallback fonts if there's really nothing else? [00:53] LaserJock: i already did that [00:53] rio: great, thanks for that [00:53] and where/whose buttons do I press to see them banished in Hardy+1? [00:54] LaserJock: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libgphoto2/+bug/228154 :) [00:54] Launchpad bug 228154 in libgphoto2 "Canon Digital IXUS 30 doesn't show up as PTP" [Undecided,Incomplete] [00:55] rio: cool === Martinp24 is now known as Martinp23 [01:01] LaserJock: which status should i set? [01:03] rio: hmm, I guess back to New [01:03] as I don't see anybody confirming it === asac_ is now known as asac [01:04] okay === asac_ is now known as asac === shadow2 is now known as shadowxp [03:45] So, where do I find "merge-genchanges"? [03:54] ted2: it's created by grab-merge.sh [03:55] and it's wherever you ran grab-merge.sh from === evalles_ is now known as keffie_jayx [04:08] LaserJock: Cool, thanks. I found it now :) === asac_ is now known as asac [08:05] hey.. I assume its known that brainstorm has run out of space again? === asac_ is now known as asac === hunger_t is now known as hunger === lool_ is now known as lool === amachu__ is now known as amachu [11:04] pitti, doko, Mithrandir: could you give back strigi/0.5.9-1 [11:31] I wanted some help regarding kernel module programming [11:31] The compiler can't find module.h [11:31] can anyone help? [11:32] I wanted some help regarding kernel module programming [11:32] anyone? [11:36] ... [11:36] fail. on multiple criteria. [11:37] Is there anyone who can help me out with the module.h not found problem? [11:37] I can't understand where to get that [11:37] anyone of all 231 [11:37] Xtreme_Great: please read the /topic [11:38] !weekend [11:38] It's a weekend. Often on weekends, the paid developers, and a lot of the community, may not be around to answer your question. Please be patient, wait longer than you normally would, or try again during the working week. [11:38] Xtreme_Great: dpkg -S module.h will give your answer. [11:39] Xtreme_Great: also, packages.ubuntu.com would have told you. [11:43] Xtreme_Great: there are 166 packages containing module.h [11:43] :( [11:45] * Hobbsee suggests picking the most sane one. [11:46] * mok0 concurs [13:12] What's the point of having both cairo and libcairo? [13:12] they provide the same binary packages, only cairo is newer [13:20] LucidFox: check if it was renamed in Debian and we simply forgot to remove the old source package [13:21] it was indeed renamed in Debian, and then in Ubuntu [13:22] file a remove request for the old source package then [13:23] maybe there was some reason? [13:24] I imagine if libcairo was simply forgotten, it would stay in main - instead it was demoted to universe [13:25] LucidFox: there should be no reason to have two source packages building the same binary debs [13:26] as you can only have one version of the binary debs in the archive (the newer ones) [13:26] LucidFox: if nothing depends on it, it would get marked on teh 'drop' list [13:28] Hobbsee: libcairo is the old source package name of cairo (both produce the same binaries) [13:28] right [13:28] then file a bug, get it removed [13:29] as you said : [13:29] * :) [13:31] LucidFox: demotion to universe is the sort of thing that might well happen semi-automatically [13:31] without somebody thinking too much about it [13:31] removals tend to require actual thought [13:34] can it be removed from hardy now, or only from intrepid? [13:34] can't remove packages from hardy now === asac_ is now known as asac [13:34] or "won't" if you prefer, but the result is the same :) [14:16] heya thesaltydog [14:16] mom [14:16] dad? [14:17] :) [14:17] oO [14:17] I know a salty-horse, are you two related? [14:18] Lightkey: i think now :) [14:18] s/now/no/ [14:18] eccomi, ma vado di corsa! [14:19] thesaltydog: this is an english room, anyway no problem :P [14:19] no, the other was from israel.. [14:19] oh, sorry. I have 5 tabs opened! [14:19] that is not much [14:19] Hi oliver ogra! [14:20] Lightkey, for me is over my limit..:-( [14:20] I have something like 21 chans opened, not that hard to manage [14:21] 8->7 here ;) [14:21] no chance, I have the longest [15:13] what's with this? http://bobthegnome.blogspot.com/2008/05/apportbug-buddy-disabled-in-ubuntu-804.html [15:13] what is the intended behaviour for that? [15:26] Chipzz, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/ the change log for 0.108 say "Disable Apport for the final Hardy release" === BenC__ is now known as benc === benc is now known as BenC === emgent_ is now known as emgent [15:47] Chipzz: yeah, it's intentional [15:47] bug-buddy should maybe have the same done to it [15:48] (maaaaybe) === Shely_ is now known as Shhely === Shhely is now known as Shely [16:01] cjwatson: but the post mentions bug-buddy not being enabled either - is that a bug or intended behaviour? [16:04] Chipzz: the subject line says that, but the post itself doesn't back it up; a comment indicates that bug-buddy probably is enabled [16:05] though that comment is also odd because Ubuntu 8.04 does have bug-buddy 2.22 and there's no obvious reason why it shouldn't have been upgraded along with everything else; also it is still installed by default [16:06] so it's unclear to me exactly what's going on there [16:26] Can a package in main suggest or recommend a package outside of main? === Shely_ is now known as Shely [16:37] andrew___: suggest: definitely... it used to be that it can recommend a package outside main as well... not sure if this is still true though [16:37] Okay, good. [16:37] * andrew___ continues pondering [16:43] would an archive admin approve a package which just has 'BSD' in LICENSE? [16:44] pochu: just the word "BSD" or the complete BSD licence text? [16:44] just the word [16:44] Surely that's ambiguous? [16:44] (How many clauses of BSD license do you mean) [16:45] I see [16:46] Why not include the whole thing? [16:46] ask upstream :) [16:46] Ah :) [16:47] How about you started maintaining a very close fork? [16:49] andrew___: I guess I can't fork it since I don't know what BSD license it has ;-) [16:49] andrew___: anyway I'm reviewing it, not packaging it :) [16:49] I'll ask the packager to ask upstream to fix this [16:49] Good catch-22. [16:49] also there's no single 'copyright' word in all the upstream code [16:50] Yeah, I'm no lawyer, but it doesn't sound legally very useful. [16:50] right [16:50] Especially if there's no hint who it's attributed to or how you'd contact them. [16:51] well, there's the AUTHORS file with their names and emails, but my problem is that the packager put 'Copyright 2008 ...' but I wonder if that's true, as I can't find that in the upstream code :) [16:51] btw, how many BSD licenses there are? [16:52] Wikipedia would know. [16:52] (I'm upgrading to Hardy at last, so my browsers don't work :s) [16:53] You can get templates for them all, just get them to change $NAME etc. to whoever owns the files. [16:53] Anyway, speaking of upgrading, I have to reboot now - brb. === fta_ is now known as fta === Lure_ is now known as Lure [18:21] I needed some help regarding building my ubuntu kernel's restricted drivers [18:21] can anyone help? [18:24] anyone??? [18:24] hello? [18:24] anyone home?' [18:25] * jdavies sighs [18:26] jdavies: reading the topic is a lost art, isn't it. [18:26] jdong: that's the third time I've seen him do that in seperate channels [18:27] I’m still in favor of making ChanServ tell people joining to read the topic. [18:27] ion_: still wouldn't work, based on experience. [18:28] ion_: when Backports still took requests from the forums, I had a 1/2 page bold forum header describing the proper post format. Nobody listened. [18:28] ion_: at one point I got pissed off and made it [18:28] still got people who, after scrolling down 5 pages to the New Post button, forgot the proper posting format. again. [18:28] jdong: it didn't help either, did it? [18:28] :) [18:28] I don't know what it would've taken. A strobing flash applet with sound? [18:29] * jdavies still follows: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11280/ [18:30] A magic word within the message one needs to type next to the submit button? :-) [18:30] a big captcha with the post format description? [18:30] geser: ROFL [18:30] "Type the following paragraph EXACTLY as you see it..." [18:32] jdong: would death threats help? :-P [19:40] is there something like an upload count? [19:40] For uploading what? [19:40] packages into ubuntu [19:42] pitti: thanks for fixing apport [19:42] The short answer is that I don't know, but I'd assume you could piece it together from new versions of packages. [19:42] nxvl: you mean how many uploads a person did? [19:50] geser: yup [19:50] nxvl: http://ubuntu.joejaxx.org/ but it gets updated irregularly [19:51] geser: thnx [19:51] Riddell does more uploads than seb128? I find that hard to believe :P [19:52] Amaranth: kde language packs :) [19:52] i need to change that for ibex [19:52] hehe [19:52] And I guess seb128 has a team of people doing GNOME updates now [19:53] Amaranth: kde4 comes in the middle of the development cicle [19:53] Amaranth: also there is kde3.5 and kde4, against only one version of gnome [19:53] it's understudable === emgent_ is now known as emgent [20:41] heya dendrobates :) [20:51] hi, what's the lp name for x developers? [20:51] tjaalton: or should I subscribe you to bug 229079 instead? [20:51] Launchpad bug 229079 in libxfont "[intrepid]: broken" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/229079 [20:52] tjaalton: (just saw, you're not away... not that I want to blame anyone here *g*) [20:55] oh, just saw that ubuntu-x is already subscribed, so nevermind :) [20:55] * norsetto wonders who fujitsu is ... [20:56] heh, my brain still hasn't realized the fujitus -> wgrant change :) [20:56] fujitsu even [20:56] true :p [20:56] hi norsetto [20:58] emgent: ./ [21:06] tkamppeter: just saw your comment to bug #229016, thanks! however I guess you'll also want to conflict on system-config-printer-kde (at least versioned, for the versions shipping smburi.py) [21:06] Launchpad bug 229016 in system-config-printer-kde "missing conflicts" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/229016 [21:06] (otherwise the upgrade path might be broken) [21:15] as a reminder: Launchpad will be offline from maintenance in 45 minutes time, for 2 hours (i.e. 21:00-23:00 UTC) [21:53] anyone, who'd like to sponsor debdiff 1 from bug #229016 (http://launchpadlibrarian.net/14432575/scpkde.debdiff)? [21:53] Launchpad bug 229016 in system-config-printer-kde "missing conflicts" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/229016 [21:54] (Riddell... ? as it will still need to get updated in bzr)? === elmo changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Launchpad will be down from 21:00 UTC to 23:00 UTC to upgrade the DB server || Archive: Intrepid open, go wild! | Ubuntu 8.04 LTS released! | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/feisty/gutsy/hardy, #ubuntu+1 for intrepid | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wi [22:11] topic too long ;) [22:12] pwnguin: that happens ;-) === elmo changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Archive: Intrepid open, go wild! | Ubuntu 8.04 LTS released! | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/feisty/gutsy/hardy, #ubuntu+1 for intrepid | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs === ryu2 is now known as ryu [23:09] if I apply a patch and rebuild a package to use on local machines, should I use dch -n to increment the version number and will that be seen as a version number greater than the unpatched version? [23:18] tmmoyer: afaik, yes. the next ubuntu version would usually be taken from dch -i so I assume it's true [23:19] okay. also is there a way to force apt-get -d to only download the specified packages and not any unsatisfied dependencies? [23:20] tmmoyer: no idea actually... maybe be both pinning packages and specifing what you want to upgrade? [23:21] (or just pinning?) [23:23] so what I need to do is get some packages to put on the install CD (for customizing purposes) and I only need to get packages I specify [23:24] basically I have a list of all packages that I need on the CD, and I have removed any packages that are already on the CD leaving me a list of packages that I need to put on the CD. I would like to find a way to download only those packages I need not all of the depends as well [23:25] tmmoyer: as in list of packages with dependencies or w.o.? [23:26] yes. I used the program germinate to generate a list of all packages needed, then removed any packages for which I already have the deb files [23:26] Could you wget them with a shell script? [23:27] for f in $( so right now the package list is something I could pass to apt-get directly (package names only) what would be the easiest way to convert these to full paths that I can pass to wget [23:29] tmmoyer: should be easy then... iirc packages.gz contains a relative link to all (binary) packages locations (w.o. the name, you'd need to get this from version + package name in packgages.gz) to download [23:29] tmmoyer: however I'm not entirely sure about this... and iirc there might be s.th. out there which does that for you [23:30] tmmoyer: (maybe casper, but I guess you'll want to look at debimg as well) [23:38] I may just deal with the dependencies, since in my cases right now, it is only 3 files. I may just install the dependencies and then run the download [23:39] tmmoyer: whatever you think fits best your need ;) [23:39] I hope I'm not being rude, but did you guys hear my suggestion before? [23:40] andrew___: I did at least. but I'm not the one with that endavour ;) [23:40] andrew___: yes I did, the only problem is that I need a way to convert the package list to a series of urls to pass to wget, [23:41] If it's just three, you could do it manually. [23:41] the only way I know how to do that right now is through apt-get which resolves dependecies [23:41] yeah my end goal though is complete automation of the process [23:41] meaning I would like to find automatic methods of doing these things [23:41] Ah, fair enough. [23:42] I agree with sistpoty about checking the packages list then. [23:42] yeah may not be a bad idea [23:42] (imho actually there should be some apt thingy to use for this... I'm not sure, but I guess there are python-bindings for apt, which could help you further) [23:42] other than the customization page on the wiki is there any place where alternate CD creation is documented from beginning to end? [23:42] yeah [23:42] thanks [23:43] hopefully things work out [23:44] FIW, `grep "Package: $package" /var/lib/apt/lists/* -A15 -h | grep ^Filename:` gets you most of the way there. [23:44] *FWIW [23:48] andrew: grep-dctrl(1) [23:50] That's better :)