[00:04] <fta> because it's the default :)
[00:11] <gnomefre1k> will --enable-static fix the addon issue in tbird? i may build it here for local use i miss enigmail?
[00:18] <gnomefre1k> sorry i meant shared
[00:19] <Jazzva> gnomefreak: if it's enabled by default, I suppose it won't change anything if you explicitly state --enable-shared...
[00:20] <gnomefre1k> Jazzva: static is default shared is what mozilla tells us to do
[00:20] <gnomefre1k> yes confusing if you ask me
[00:25] <fta> shared is default, unless you ask for static, which we don't, so all is shared for us
[00:28] <gnomefreak> didnt the bug say to build with shared and you replied that you only build with static?
[00:29] <fta> the opposite
[00:29] <gnomefreak> ah
[00:29] <gnomefreak> but why would mozilla tell you to build non-default if they build with default
[00:29] <gnomefreak> i never did get that when i read bug
[00:31] <fta> but this bug is a big misunderstanding, i wanted make install to do something, he understood i wanted to build the mozilla installer, which i can't care less about
[00:31] <fta> part of the confusion could be that i've used package-static as file name
[00:31] <fta> but it's not related to the addons issue anyway
[00:32] <fta> i haven't investigated that, i thought asac would, apparently he doesn't care about tb3
[00:33] <fta> and i'm no longer using tb* so it doesn't help
[00:33] <fta> i've spent a lot of time on songbird
[00:35] <fta> but reading latest comment from asac in the songbird packaging bug, it seems to me he doesn't want this package either
[00:35] <fta> so like for sm2, i'm all by myself
[00:36] <fta> feel free to help, all those branches are in ~mt
[00:43] <gnomefreak> i can do that :) if you need something dont forget to ask if i dont already know about it
[00:43] <gnomefreak> asac_: ummm can you stay connected long enough to let me know what we are doing with ff and dapper?
[00:43] <gnomefreak> i ran into a dapper bug :(
[00:44] <gnomefreak> fta: support+dapper+firefox?
[01:01] <asac_> gnomefreak: ?
[01:01] <gnomefreak> bug149611
[01:01] <gnomefreak> bug 149611
[01:01] <gnomefreak> its dapper+firefox 1.5
[01:02] <gnomefreak> do we say we nologer support firefox for dapper?
[01:02] <gnomefreak> 1.5 or 2.0
[01:02] <asac_> no ... we support it
[01:02] <gnomefreak> we suport 1.5?
[01:03] <asac_> yes
[01:03] <gnomefreak> that would mean we just patch it no security updatess
[01:13] <asac> gnomefreak: we provide security updates ;)
[01:13] <asac> thats how we support it
[01:13] <asac> if there are critical regressions due to those security backports we fix them too
[01:13] <asac> everything else is pretty much wontfix
[01:13] <gnomefreak> ok good night atleast for a couple of hours. sorry for your email boxes
[01:13] <gnomefreak> asac: ok
[01:14]  * gnomefreak needs to set up mutt or procmail or something tested based someday :)
[01:14] <gnomefreak> ok night ladies and gents
[01:23] <asac_> i really dont understand what bug 206884 is about
[03:26] <gnomefreak> asac: from what it looks like he thinks default encoding for firefox should beISO8859-1 but its using UTF8
[03:28] <gnomefreak> asac: that is the exact reason in ff3 go to view > Chariter encoding ISO8859-1 is not in there and its set to UTF-8 by default
[03:41] <fta> really ? http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/encoding.png
[03:42] <gnomefreak> even i dont have all that in menu
[03:43] <gnomefreak> i only have a couple of them
[03:43] <gnomefreak> is there a keycommbo for screenshot?
[03:44] <fta> printscreen
[03:44] <fta> or altgr printscreen (here) for just the window
[03:44] <fta> but you wont capture the menu
[03:44] <fta> you need a delay
[03:44] <fta> cu, it's late here
[03:45] <gnomefreak> i see them now :(
[03:45] <gnomefreak> fta: night
[14:22] <fta> DarkMageZ, are you the same dmz who requested my songbird source package ?
[15:14] <DarkMageZ> fta, yes ッ
[15:44] <DarkMageZ> fta, please see lp bug #123934 & #159691 as my reference demonstrating some knowledge of the packaging system. if that's what was holding you back from just replying to the email :P
[17:02] <fta_> hm, he's gone
[17:05] <fta_> jcastro, ping
[17:08] <jcastro> fta_: yo
[17:09] <fta_> jcastro, hi, could please re-assign https://edge.launchpad.net/songbird to mozillateam so i can edit that page ?
[17:09] <jcastro> sure
[17:09] <fta_> as it's mozilla related, i think it makes sense
[17:10] <fta_> thanks :)
[17:38] <fta> i've published my branch for songbird in case someone is interested: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/songbird/songbird.head
[19:19] <gnomefreak> 123 and counting :)
[19:23] <fta> ?
[19:31] <gnomefreak> old firefox-2 bugs
[19:31] <gnomefreak> [reed]: we have a date for EOSL for ff 2?
[19:32] <[reed]> 6 months after Fx3
[19:32] <gnomefreak> 6 weeks you mean?
[19:33] <gnomefreak> security updates stop around x.0.0.15-16 i thought
[19:34] <[reed]> ?
[19:34] <[reed]> Firefox 2 will EOL 6 months after Firefox 3 is released.
[19:35] <gnomefreak> i saw 6 weeks in some post on google but if its 6 months wtf am i doing this for
[19:36] <[reed]> lol
[19:36] <gnomefreak> asac: we still have ~7months at best for support of 2.0
[19:37] <gnomefreak> http://markmail.org/message/rogxjohsrb6sw2yq
[19:37] <gnomefreak> i didnt say i believed it but when you said 6 it hit me maybe hes right
[19:37] <gnomefreak> well i closed over 160 bugs for no reason this is not gonna be good
[19:38] <gnomefreak> make that right around 300
[19:38] <gnomefreak> 200
[19:38] <gnomefreak> i have 120 and started at ~330
[19:40]  * gnomefreak thinks on how to re word my statment for bugs
[19:44] <gnomefreak> i think i was ablet o reword it :)
[20:23] <gnomefreak> asac: please set ISO889-1 default for all pages no matter what the encoding is, this guy is really working on my nerves, one site ff sets to UTF-8 and he has to write multiple bugs on the issue because noone has a clue what he is ranting about
[20:29]  * gnomefreak gone for a while
[21:54] <alex_mayorga> Hello all, are there or would there be FF3 nightly .deb(s)?
[21:55] <gnomefreak> alex_mayorga: not really nightly at this point
[21:55] <gnomefreak> alex_mayorga: weekly is about rigth for this time of builod
[21:55] <gnomefreak> build
[21:55] <alex_mayorga> gnomefreak what's the repository for that weekly build?
[21:56]  * gnomefreak goes to look
[21:56] <gnomefreak> i dont remember his PPA off hand and this might change
[21:56] <gnomefreak> oh shit
[21:57] <gnomefreak> thats what he meant
[21:57] <gnomefreak> alex_mayorga: you might have to wait a few hours
[21:58] <gnomefreak> alex_mayorga: here they are be very careful as other apps may want to update as well and some are not close to stable
[21:58] <gnomefreak> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/fta/ubuntu hardy main
[21:58] <gnomefreak> deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/fta/ubuntu hardy main
[21:58] <gnomefreak> alex_mayorga: im not sure if they will work for next 2 hours or so since LP is going down
[21:59] <alex_mayorga> I already use that one, so I was pretty much on track, thanks
[21:59] <alex_mayorga> yes it updates my miro too, which is not bad I think
[21:59] <gnomefreak> alex_mayorga: yes thats latest and greatest at this moment. was tere something you were looking for?
[22:00] <alex_mayorga> gnomefreak, thanks
[22:00] <gnomefreak> s/there/tere
[22:00] <alex_mayorga> just the good old, "the newer, the better" :)
[22:00] <alex_mayorga> has ubuntu took much heat for shipping with FF3b5?
[22:00] <gnomefreak> alex_mayorga: the one you are running is next release for Mozilla
[22:01] <gnomefreak> alex_mayorga: yes but we did the best of 2 evils
[22:01]  * gnomefreak has that under control :)
[22:08] <fta> hm, lp down, can't edit the wiki either
[22:15] <gnomefreak> yes
[22:16] <gnomefreak> will be down 2 hours
[22:16] <gnomefreak> started 15 minutes ago
[22:16] <gnomefreak> fta: they have been talking about it all week in email
[22:16] <gnomefreak> wiki isnt on LP you should be fine editing it
[22:16] <gnomefreak> oh shit
[22:17] <gnomefreak> wtf is wiki down for
[22:17] <fta> nope, read only
[22:17] <fta> i guess user database is from lp
[22:17] <gnomefreak> i see
[22:18] <gnomefreak> fta: am i here?
[22:19] <fta> yes :)
[22:19] <gnomefreak> for some reason when pasting the warning it uses /The
[22:19] <gnomefreak> LaserJock > gnomefreak: yeah, wiki is authenticated via Launchpad
[22:20] <gnomefreak> but PPA's work
[22:23] <fta> and bzr ?
[22:23] <fta> nope
[22:23] <fta> Using saved location: bzr+ssh://fta@bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-3.0.head/
[22:23] <fta> ssh: connect to host bazaar.launchpad.net port 22: Connection refused
[22:24] <alex_mayorga> Is there a nice way to "kill" firefox when it becomes non responsive?
[22:25] <fta> [reed], there's no CVS tag for RC1 ?
[22:26] <fta> alex_mayorga, nope, the cross on top right of the window, then say kill, it should work most of the time
[22:27] <alex_mayorga> fta even that wont work, so I guess is kill -3 right?
[22:28] <fta> try -15 is nicer, then last resort -9
[22:28] <alex_mayorga> never mind, looks like a 1 pixel dialog was created right in the center of the FF window, once I resized it and closed it FF went away, strange
[22:28] <alex_mayorga> I'll see if I can reproduce it
[22:28] <fta> oh, you just upgraded ?
[22:29] <alex_mayorga> moments ago from your PPA, is it broken?
[22:29] <fta> sounds like a ff3/xul upgrade without restart
[22:29] <fta> no
[22:29] <alex_mayorga> fta shall I log off and back in?
[22:29] <fta> it's a know ungraceful upgrade of all mozilla products
[22:29] <fta> no, just quit ff and restart it
[22:30] <alex_mayorga> wow, I've got a new license, so release is close by?
[22:30] <fta> eheh, the bzr attempt a few minutes ago was to prevent that license to popup
[22:31] <fta> yes, a RC is close
[22:32] <fta> "Assuming no new issues are found today the build team will start official prep work for Release Candidate 1 (RC1) tomorrow. QA will start their extensive RC1 test pass on Monday. If all goes well we should have the Release Candidate publicly available in late May. "
[22:33] <fta> if there's a CVS tag for this RC1, i can release a preview to my ppa
[22:37] <fta> hm, the last i see is THUNDERBIRD_3_0a1_BUILD1 / THUNDERBIRD_3_0a1_RELEASE
[22:38] <fta> no idea what UPDATE_PACKAGING_R4 and GECKO19_20080506_RELBRANCH are..
[22:38] <fta> [reed], ^^ ?
[22:39] <fta> "RC1 is intended for wider scale public testing. Our 1.2M+ active beta users will automatically get updated to RC1 when it is released. If no new showstopper issues are found in RC1 it will become Firefox 3 final. If we find any critical issues we will continue to release new Release Candidates until we are ready for final ship"
[22:46] <alex_mayorga> yeah!! FF3 is coming
[22:47] <alex_mayorga> honestly I've yet have to see a show stopper myself
[23:27] <gnomefreak> alex_mayorga: there were a few blockers not sure how many are left but i think i still have link
[23:27] <gnomefreak> ah only 3
[23:28] <gnomefreak> that was atleast 15 a few weeks ago
[23:29] <gnomefreak> fta: yeah meant to tell you it was still there this week
[23:30] <gnomefreak> fta: LP is back online i think
[23:30] <gnomefreak> yay
[23:30] <fta> what was still there?
[23:31] <gnomefreak> the license
[23:31] <fta> yes, i've just committed the fix
[23:34] <fta> and... pushed to my ppa. give it 15 min to be there
[23:45] <gnomefreak> k
[23:46] <gnomefreak> new libc6
[23:46] <gnomefreak> fta: can we make tabs opened in firefox not take focus
[23:46] <gnomefreak> main widow focus is good but tabs yuck
[23:48] <gnomefreak> never new how much pidgin looks like gajim
[23:49] <gnomefreak> other than branding they look exactly alike
[23:50] <fta> did you try to toggle browser.tabs.loadDivertedInBackground ?
[23:51] <gnomefreak> no i can but still default shount interupt your work like that
[23:55] <fta> i won't change that in ff3, it's more for ubufox
[23:55] <fta> but it's usability, so people will never agree
[23:56] <fta> i prefer the tab to raise, but i don't want the window to raise or change desktop or the focus to be stolen
[23:56] <fta> it's all fine here. but i had to drop ubufox because of that
[23:59] <fta> did you read ?