[00:00] <gnomefre1k> i dont see anything after i said brb
[00:01] <gnomefre1k> it looks like connection died
 no i can but still default shount interupt your work like that
 i won't change that in ff3, it's more for ubufox
 but it's usability, so people will never agree
 i prefer the tab to raise, but i don't want the window to raise or change desktop or the focus to be stolen
 it's all fine here. but i had to drop ubufox because of that
[00:01] <fta> * gnomefre1k (n=gnomefre@adsl-221-44-24.rmo.bellsouth.net) has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam
[00:01] <fta> didn't get your brb
[00:02] <gnomefre1k> everytime you open ff in tab or window it steals focus, it should NEVER imho steal focus on tab
[00:02] <gnomefre1k> the tab gets raised all the time that is good
[00:02] <gnomefre1k> 18:52 <      gnomefreak > Lp is slow as crap atm
[00:02] <gnomefre1k> 18:52 <      gnomefreak > or that option fucked with loading pages
[00:02] <gnomefre1k> 18:53 <      gnomefreak > little better
[00:02] <gnomefre1k> 18:54 <      gnomefreak > looks like perl is still screwed up in intrepid
[00:02] <gnomefre1k> 18:55 <      gnomefreak > brb testing something with songbird (i think it knows  me too well :()
[00:02] <gnomefre1k> just incase you missed it all
[00:03] <fta> try to disable ubufox and restart ff
[00:03] <gnomefreak> and songbird is fixed :)
[00:03] <gnomefreak> how to disable it? the setting i changed worked fine
[00:04] <fta> in the add-ons ui
[00:04] <gnomefreak> oh yeah forgot it was an addon
[00:05] <gnomefreak> firefox 3 in
[00:09] <gnomefreak> ill be back im cooking dinner late
[02:22] <alex_mayorga> fta, does www.etn.com.mx loads on your FF3?
[03:51] <[reed]> we'll have a showstopper
[03:51] <[reed]> :)
[05:13] <gnomefreak> that site loads fine here in ff3
[05:23]  * gnomefreak looling for a good mozilla quote
[05:33] <gnomefreak> anyone know of a good guide to mutt (or a better text-based email) procmail, mutt, alpine anyothers that are easy to set up and easy to work, i would really see if its for me
[06:29] <gnomefreak> anyone here that remembers how to change your unix password from terminal?
[11:30] <armin76> hahaha
[11:30] <armin76> ubuntu users... :P
[12:33] <Jazzva> asac: ping
[12:51] <devilsadvocate> why does ubuntu firefox 3 have different (and not in a good way) with the upstream one (comparing with win32 firefox beta5) when dealing with untrusted certificates?
[12:52] <devilsadvocate> i am not given an option to add an exception, and it just dies there asking em to contact the site administrator
[12:54] <devilsadvocate> how do i add the exception, if i wanted to, or change the behaviour
[12:55]  * devilsadvocate cant access his instiute email (MS exchange server) withough rebooting
[13:12] <Jazzva> devilsadvocate: It works fine here. FF will present you a page with a link "Or you can add an exception...", when you click on it you will see a button "Add an exception", then you get certificate, and approve it.
[13:39] <Jazzva> asac: I'm thinking about submitting fix for teatime to Debian, so it can be synced back to intrepid. I'm reading about NMUs, but I'm confused. I shouldn't prepare NMU, but just a patch for buggy files, and submit it to Debian BTS, right?
[13:53] <Jazzva> asac: Nevermind... I just submitted the patch. :)
[13:54] <fta> Jazzva, btw, i'm using it several times a day :)
[13:54] <Jazzva> fta: I'm glad it works for you :)
[13:54] <Jazzva> It would be great if it gets accepted to Debian, so it can be synced back :)
[13:55] <fta> i wish it was possible to re-order the teas
[14:01] <Jazzva> Well, the upstream stopped teatime development
[14:24] <Jazzva> Hmm... funny things happening. brb
[22:00] <fta> Jazzva, http://debaday.debian.net/2008/05/11/kteatime-small-tray-utility-which-reminds-you-of-steeping-tea/
[22:01] <Jazzva> fta: I noticed it today on packages.ubuntu.com, while searching for teatime...
[22:01] <Jazzva> Go for it, if it's better :)
[22:02] <fta> it's kde
[22:02] <Jazzva> I know ;)
[22:02] <fta> and i'm not ;)
[22:02] <Jazzva> I still use Amarok only for wake-up playlists (it has some script for that)... and there's virtualbox ose
[22:03] <Jazzva> Haven't checked in a while if rhythmbox has a plugin for alarm clock :)
[22:35] <asac> sorry ... was at the beach ;)
[22:36] <fta> asac, or anyone, could you have a look at taglib in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Ideas/Intrepid and let me know what you think ?
[22:37] <fta> asac, in germany ?
[22:37] <asac> yeah here in hamburg ;)
[22:38] <fta> eh?
[22:39] <asac> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=falkensteiner+ufer,+hamburg&sll=53.565038,9.77412&sspn=0.008347,0.018475&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=15&iwloc=addr
[22:39] <asac> thats where it is ;)
[22:39] <fta> it's a river :)
[22:39] <asac> yeah, but the sand is ok :)
[22:40] <asac> and its not that far from the sea :-D
[22:40] <asac> just move to the left
[22:40] <fta> i have the same near my place but it's far from the sea
[22:40] <asac> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=kiel&ie=UTF8&ll=54.334143,10.166473&spn=0.262231,0.591202&t=h&z=11
[22:41] <asac> thats the other city i live
[22:41] <asac> its directly at the sea ;)
[22:42] <asac> is 1.5 compatible with songbird?
[22:42] <fta> no
[22:42] <asac> are there any rdepends on taglib?
[22:42] <asac> other than songbird
[22:42] <fta> yes
[22:42] <fta> apt-cache rdepends libtag1c2a | wc -l
[22:42] <fta> 38
[22:43] <asac> so what does songbird need?
[22:43] <fta> stuff they implemented, m4a, id3, etc.
[22:44] <asac> i mean which version. maybe its obvious, but its not on that wiki page explicitly
[22:44] <asac> 1.4?
[22:44] <asac> or do they have a patched version?
[22:44] <fta> they provide patched in source taglib, and binaries
[22:47] <asac> doesn't sound too promissing ;)
[22:47] <asac> do they maintain patches in distinct fashion?
[22:47] <asac> (for taglib that is)
[22:47] <asac> gnomefreak gone?
[22:48] <fta> no, it's directly patched, and they have a merge script
[22:48] <fta> and merge notes
[22:48] <fta> http://publicsvn.songbirdnest.com/browser/trunk/dependencies/vendor/taglib/songbird_merge_notes.txt
[22:49] <asac> ok. beautiful
[22:49] <asac> do we know what they change?
[22:49] <asac> what size has the diff?
[22:49] <fta> i diffed it yesterday
[22:50] <fta> shows 49 files changed, 2356 insertions(+), 467 deletions(-)
[22:50] <asac> you have the complete diffstate? so i see what files are touched?
[22:51] <asac> if not its ok. just wondering if its still comprehensible ;)
[22:51] <asac> or if every chance of cutting out patches for upstream submissin/review is hopeless
[22:51] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11514/
[22:52] <asac> hmm could you see what those changes are about? just new tags?
[22:52] <fta> diff is 138k
[22:55] <asac> did you ignore whitespaces when diffing?
[22:57] <fta> http://pastebin.com/f4f818c94
[23:02] <asac> hmm ... they add zillions of attribtes to some tags.
[23:02] <asac> do those make sense for taglib in general?
[23:03] <fta> i think so
[23:03] <fta> the problem is i don't know if they send that upstream or not
[23:03] <asac> ok all the tag stuff should be submitted upstream i guess
[23:04] <asac> but what is tfile.cpp and friends about?
[23:04] <asac> for me it looks a bit like merge cruft that accumulated ;)
[23:04] <asac> but maybe i just miss the feature added in such an intrusive fashion ;)
[23:05] <asac> well ... appeasr to add localfile things
[23:05] <asac> doesn't upstreawm support that. a bit strange imo
[23:09] <asac> fta: is there any active songbird upstreamer that we could ask to join this channel?
[23:11] <fta> no idea, i joined their channel yesterday only
[23:11] <asac> on freenode?
[23:11] <fta> mzo
[23:11] <fta> moz
[23:13] <asac> ok
[23:19] <fta> they have a 32bit builder running gutsy
[23:20] <asac> but they produce .tar.gz from that?
[23:31] <fta> yes
[23:32] <fta> the 64bit linux builder is running FC8