=== gnomefre1k is now known as gnomefreak [00:38] hi [00:39] Hey there Wubi_Nubi [00:39] can anyone please guide me to the right place to ask this question. Wubi creates a file on ntfs disk, which it then reads as a file system. This file exists on ntfs partition. Does wubi/ubuntu in that boot setup go through some sort of ntfs kernel driver? [00:39] wouldn't that make it slow, since you have another driver layer in the middle? [00:39] where can I ask this question, #ubuntu main channel is too fast [00:39] I can't read anything :( [00:42] PriceChild hi to you [00:42] you seem active atm, could you please advise [00:43] Wubi_Nubi: #ubuntu is the official support channel [00:44] i asked there many times but no answer, and its too busy and fast and its very hard for me to read [00:44] is there a wubi/ubuntu developers channel that I can ask in [00:44] a smaller channel? [00:48] Wubi_Nubi: http://wubi-installer.org/faq.php [00:48] Wubi_Nubi: /msg chanserv list *wubi* [00:48] Wubi_Nubi: I believe that will answer your question. [00:49] PriceChild I read it, and the forums and the wiki, and I was unable to find the answer [00:49] thank you very much, nalioth oh you can msg too [00:49] oh wow [00:49] Wubi_Nubi: there is a "What is the performance?" heading [00:49] PriceChild it must have escaped me [00:49] basically says "yes, there's a performance hit, and make sure to keep defragmented" [00:50] thanks buddy [00:50] have a good night fellas [00:50] bye bye :) === gnomefre1k is now known as gnomefreak [05:33] i think the floodbots might not be doing the mibbit unbanning properly [05:44] anyone knwo fo a good mutt or procmail guide? [05:51] !info gotmail [05:51] gotmail (source: gotmail): utility to download email from a Hotmail or MSN account. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.0-1 (hardy), package size 38 kB, installed size 124 kB [06:31] nice part message from Flip2405 [06:35] bazhang, you are allowed to paste them to here to save us having to find the needle in the haystack [06:36] okay elkbuntu it is very graphic though [06:36] Bad: new password is too simple << when the hell did this happen :( [06:36] gnomefreak, with what? [06:37] passwd [06:37] ... [06:37] that's not going to go well [06:38] i was playing in alpine and changed password ( i thought was my email password) now i cant make my system password anymore it keeps telling me that [06:38] mind you, i scare people with my passwords [06:38] * Flip2405 has quit ("Kage is a fucking retard im outtie") [06:39] elkbuntu, see above [06:39] i see. was cage someone else in the channel? [06:39] err, kage [06:39] not that I saw [06:39] might have been from another channel [06:41] hmm...not likely [06:42] you could banforward them here to warn them, but without the bantracker, nobody would be able to check it [06:43] will mention to him next time he is in channel-->catalzye for an hour or two ;] [06:45] im glad you have such a good memory [06:45] not too good with the chanzerv.py commands though :( [06:45] hi kids [06:46] tried to combine op and mute in one command [06:46] hi Tm_T :) [07:41] just wanting to say, you guys might wanna stop by offtopic. [07:44] yes? [07:44] bazhang: ? [07:44] Hobbsee, yes? [07:45] bazhang: was that you? [07:45] theLichKing: who sent you here? [07:45] elkbunt-u Hobbsee [07:45] elkbuntu [07:45] what the hell were you doing? [07:46] Hobbsee, i sent him here because he was flooding -offtopic [07:46] ahhh [07:46] offtopic was quite anyway [07:46] quiet [07:46] that's no excuse [07:46] you need to chill out [07:47] it wasn't just me drawing with text [07:48] theLichKing: you need to listen to her, methinks. [07:48] theLichKing, you were the one who did it repeatedly [07:48] please do not do it again. [07:48] yeah.. what's the point.. it's pointless to argue with an op.. s/he's always right.. i'm wrong [07:48] peace out [07:51] the man is always laying the smack down. [08:07] if xtreme_great shows up again, can someone read him the riot act? (about asking in single channels only, and actually bothering to read what he gets as an answer) [08:09] Hobbsee, which channels? [08:10] Madpilot: i saw him do it in -devel again earlier. [08:10] http://theinternetisterrible.com/wp-content/things/figure.PNG [08:10] Madpilot: he's done it elsewhere, but unsure where (others commented) [08:10] mneptok: hahahahahahahahaha [08:10] Hobbsee, he was in #ubuntu yesterday and behaved--should I mute him next time and send him here? [08:11] bazhang: either way, i nuked him from -devel. [08:11] bazhang: ubuntu is the correct place to ask [08:11] bazhang: depends if he asks the same questions over and over again [08:11] okay Hobbsee thanks [08:12] * ompaul looks on mneptok on my Sunday morning, now I am askered [08:12] so askered I can't spell scared [08:12] * ompaul wonders :) [08:13] mneptok, what exactly were you looking for when you found that, on second thoughts I don't want to know ;-) [08:14] Hobbsee, he did like twice then when getting somewhat of an answer piped down [08:14] bazhang: hmmm. [08:14] Hobbsee, of course om-paul was around so no telling :) [08:15] * ompaul looks on [08:16] bazhang, how? [08:16] who even? [08:16] oops [08:16] * ompaul recompiles internal spellchecker [08:16] xtremely_grating or some such name ompaul [08:16] * ompaul goes for the scroll back of yesterday to read [08:17] xtreme_great is the correct spelling iirc [08:18] yeap [08:18] ompaul: the i_can't_read_topics_or_they_don't_apply_to_me user. [08:18] ompaul: just my usual staurday might google image search for "male dumpster 'no collar'" [08:18] hahaha [08:18] *saturday night [08:19] * mneptok turns up the lighting [08:19] * ompaul hands mneptok a cup of tea [08:19] Hobbsee, that kind of a user - yeap [08:19] please no. saturday night, mate. [08:19] * ompaul hands mneptok another cup of tea with whiskey in it [08:20] ompaul: had dinner tonight at a nice new Ethiopian place above one of Montreal's best Irish pubs [08:20] that is what they call a surprise [08:20] gotta love north america [08:20] mneptok, you live there ;-) [08:21] please don't make the whole continet take the fall ... [08:21] mneptok, I am stuck in "(this space is intentionally left blank) Dublin" [08:21] started in b and ended in n [08:21] refers to what happens if you cut yourself you are .... [08:22] oh, i fallah [08:23] * ompaul thinks lets do crosswords with ompaul --- "the picture beside the word anger in the dictionary, clue Ubuntu developer's irc nick" ;-) [08:23] angry dpl! [08:23] ok, naptime [08:23] mneptok, nap well [08:24] Amaranth, na they just think they are angry [08:24] no, _the_ angry dpl [08:25] * ompaul sets ian on Amaranth [08:26] and not the first one [08:26] he protect me from you ;-( [08:26] ahh [08:26] :-) [08:26] ian is cool [08:26] i met him when he was supposed to be our firefox maintainer [08:30] after a side discussion it was discovered we both were talking about the same people [08:30] strange :) [09:44] elkbuntu: without the bantracker ;-) [09:44] ? [09:46] * jussi01 wakes up [09:47] Myrtti, asus_tek is the cause of a the last few bans in -ot [09:47] it was only a matter of time [09:47] ompaul: jolly good [09:48] * jussi01 wants to confirm that everyone knows we have a bantracker? [09:49] YOU PEEPS WE HAZ A BANTRACKEH [09:49] hahah [09:49] !ops ^ [09:49] Factoid ops ^ not found [09:49] * jrib knows now. Thanks jussi01 [09:49] just the normal @btlogin will do it [09:50] !ops | EVERYONE, WE HAS BANTRACKER [09:50] EVERYONE, WE HAS BANTRACKER: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, Jack_Sparrow, nickrud, jpatrick or jussi01! [09:50] Myrtti called the ops in #ubuntu-ops (EVERYONE, WE HAS BANTRACKER) [09:50] there we go [09:50] haha [09:50] :-> [09:50] @login [09:50] hehehe [09:50] tonyyarusso: The operation succeeded. [09:50] @btlogin [09:50] @btlogin [09:50] dont kill it! [09:50] my god, and it actually LOADS! [09:50] we has lovely [09:50] jussi01: WE LURVZ YOO [09:51] * ompaul breaths air not fire [09:52] Myrtti: you love stdin also :) [09:53] /me smooches stdin with pb'n'jam smelly kisses on the cheak [10:04] when did we get bantracker? [10:04] @btlogin [10:05] elkbuntu: bout a week back. [10:05] jussi01, you could have told us :) [10:05] but you kep it a sekret [10:05] awwww [10:06] ompaul: I did... you just didnt listen... [10:06] :) [10:07] doh! [10:10] jussi01, some of us have been too busy to grep the logs each night for the word [10:10] elkbuntu: yeah, I know, but I still have to give ompaul crap ;) [10:10] indeed [10:11] jussi01, and for this I thank you :P [10:11] * ompaul chuckles [10:11] :D [11:00] In #ubuntu, zyx386 said: ubottu, your wiki is empty :) [11:01] who is unixtime on hardy? [11:02] jussi01, btw... !botabuse needs fixing [11:03] !botabuse [11:03] Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Don't use commands in the public channels if you don't know if they really exist. Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids. [11:03] unless you've coded self-referencing in [11:03] elkbuntu: do @login and change whatever you feel needs changing. [11:03] :) [11:03] meh :Þ [11:04] i wasnt sure if you'd dealt with the self-referencing issue on a code level yet? [11:05] no [11:05] can every one tell me, why the unixtime format is removed under hardy??? [11:06] zyx386: please see the channel you are in? [11:07] the #ubuntu send me to her [11:07] !botabuse =~ s/ ubotu Bot/ ubottu Bot/ [11:07] I'll remember that jussi01 [11:07] !botabuse [11:07] Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubottu Bot). Don't use commands in the public channels if you don't know if they really exist. Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids. [11:08] elkbuntu: ^ [11:08] :) [11:08] zyx386: when you join #ubuntu it automatically sent you here? [11:09] ubottu: join #ubuntu-bots [11:09] jussi01: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [11:09] no, i ask about Unixtimeformat [11:09] Your edit request has been forwarded to #ubuntu-ops. Thank you for your attention to detail [11:10] that is mesagge from bot in #ubuntu [11:10] zyx386: if you ask ubottu about something, then it tells you that, because we edit the factoids here, as you just saw. [11:11] please return to #ubuntu and ask your question there. [11:11] also, add unixtime format in boot :) [11:11] ok [11:11] thanx [11:12] !idle | zyx386 [11:12] zyx386: Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only, and we ask you to part when you have no further business here, in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries. [11:13] ok thanx [13:16] ahhh, so macow is to blame. [13:16] * Hobbsee just discovered where some of the torrenters came from [13:17] hmm? [13:17] what torrenters? [13:17] * Hobbsee was looking at referrers, for the torrents. [13:17] er, s/for the torrents/ [13:17] found that macow directed them at the /tmp/*.torrents [13:18] ah [13:30] btw, unixtime is not removed from hardy, just the gui option to select it is. You can get it back using gconf [13:31] sneaky [13:33] i'd assume that's a generic gnome change then [13:33] ? [13:33] pardon? [13:34] unixtime hardy gconf [13:34] right click the clock and press preferences, you only get 12/24 in hardy. [13:34] right. and is this an ubuntu specific change, or a gnome change? [13:34] oh sorry [13:34] no idea [13:35] i assume gnome [13:35] can someone run iftop and see if they have a connection to *.canonical.com (in my case, europium.canonical.com) [13:36] checking [13:37] nope.. [13:37] PriceChild: leave it running for a min or so and keep and eye on it? [13:37] yes [13:40] I think its ntp Seeker` [13:40] hmm [13:41] Seeker`: dig ntp.ubuntu.com [13:41] Seeker`: dig europium.canonical.com [13:41] Both go to 91.189.94.4 [13:41] I dont have ntp enabled :/ [13:41] I guess it just likes to be called by the latter. [13:42] I have ntp enabled on my ipcop box, but that uses pool.ntp.org [13:43] you're probably not going to find the answer from the people here [13:43] Seeker`: what's iftop? [13:44] jdavies: try running it and see :) [13:44] It shows current connections [13:44] Seeker`: command not found [13:45] Seeker`: Ah, I use: "lsof +M -i" for that [13:48] hmm, its my mythtvbox that is connecting to that canonical.com address [13:50] Seeker`: do that command and see what's doing it^ [13:51] found it - my mythtv computer was set to use the wrong ntp server :/ [13:52] if anyone hasn't discovered it - "terminator" is a great idea [13:54] * PriceChild eyes Nick Ali's 3rd link on planet [13:55] in a good way? [13:56] * elkbuntu suspects probably not [13:56] rofl [13:56] I'm sure your jaw will drop [13:57] its even better if you read the context [13:57] i read the thread earlier [13:58] just about wet myself laughing at arnie's comments about Matthew. [13:58] !tmi | elkbuntu [13:58] elkbuntu: Um thanks... We *really* did not need to know that... [13:58] :Þ [13:58] your own factoid used against you, the irony! [13:58] heh [14:00] if i'd been a bad op and used the p word, you probably would not have responded that way, the irony! [14:01] * Seeker` was only vaguely aware of Automatix [14:01] Seeker`, keep it that way [14:01] Well, if it is no longer in development, there isn't much point in learning more [14:02] I find the claims that they made ubuntu as popular as it is dubious at best [14:02] rightly so. [14:02] we did === profoX_ is now known as profoX` [14:03] * PriceChild grins [14:03] we did what? [14:09] Damn that beginner mjg59. [14:09] Such a noob. [14:10] indeed [14:10] he's loving this whole saga, i'll guarantee it. [14:10] Hah. [14:12] elkbuntu: why? [14:13] Seeker`, because. [14:13] (by he, i mean mjg59) [14:13] arnie is so sane. [14:14] I suppose we have to be nice to him. [14:17] * ompaul hands wgrant the word disorientated to use in some future sentence [14:18] haha [14:18] ompaul: Hm? [14:19] * jdavies notices mjg59 having activity in -devel [14:19] wgrant, im not entirely convinced anyone of consequence know would hang us for speaking ill of him. [14:19] jdavies: erm... that's not unusual? [14:19] elkbuntu: Right. [14:19] PriceChild: nop [14:20] be nice to arnieboy [14:20] you can bash Automatix and it's design all you want, anyway ;-) [14:21] judge a man by his actions ;-) [14:21] Myrtti, we are. [14:59] a user was repeatedly using the enter key and warned many times--currently muted; but no response--best to unmute now? [15:02] started with 'I cannot install ubuntu' to where is bash scripting and lots more [15:03] bazhang, if they disrupt then you /cs kb $user [15:03] bazhang, give the mute a minute to work [15:03] then do that [15:03] ompaul, he seemed to be $non_offense equivalent of t-rolling [15:04] okay thanks ompaul he quit finally [16:14] @btlogin [16:14] that was bad [16:15] svchost a minute ago [16:16] yes [16:16] seemed like immediate kb was warranted [16:17] Should the bantracker include FloodBot? [16:18] Amaranth, if it catchs us it should catch the floodbot [16:18] It does now, I'm saying maybe it shouldn't [16:19] Yes, it should pick up floodbot bans [16:27] Amaranth, if someone says I am banned I want to know why [16:28] I should not have to search the bans and the tracker to work it out [16:28] but floodbot doesn't really ban [16:28] it mutes flooders and forwards exploit victims [16:28] And bans exploiters [16:28] it bans if you /notice the channel [16:28] one place for results (echo data_normalisation > Amaranth) [16:28] And mutes are concidered bans. [16:29] i thought exploiters got k-lined [16:29] Plus, if person X keeps getting muted by the floodbot, wouldnt you like to know that? [16:29] they do but that can lag [16:29] auto kline is not always the way [16:30] Amaranth, I guess this one you lose ;-) [16:30] here have a cup of tea [16:31] The other day a netsplit caused chanserv to reinstate a floodbot mute, I had to scour my logs for the reason. [16:31] s/the other day/before ubottu/ [16:33] anyone see this? http://www.linux.com/feature/134683 [16:34] nalioth: Neat [16:34] bazhang: Whats dongery? [16:34] Pici, a foulness [16:35] :/ [16:35] Maybe we should do a 'behind the scenes' of irc for one of the ubuntu newsletters, after we get the bots back up and running. [16:40] was a decision ever made on when the next irc council meeting would be? [17:21] @btlogin [18:17] BluesKaj called the ops in #kubuntu (thyko) [18:18] Hello thyko [18:18] thyko: Do you realise why you are here? [18:19] you have got to be kidding [18:22] funny [18:22] we are really banning far far far too much [18:23] on first offenses [18:23] catalyse first [18:24] if the behaviour continues, /remove is available ( with more catalyzation ) [18:24] nalioth: I agree [18:24] and so forth up the ladder of responses [18:24] i have seen what appears to be "automated" kickbans just because someone uses !ops {NICK} [18:25] that was my main gripe a while back [18:25] i gripe about this often [18:25] * Seeker` doesn't like the word catalyze [18:26] Seeker`: than use whatever synonym you prefer [18:26] I think something like mediate sounds better [18:26] we are all Ubunteros, and acting like any other efnet thug just isn't cool [18:31] is it just me, or has the conversational quality of -ot passersby lowerd recently? [18:32] Myrtti: I dont ever remember it being particularly high quality [18:32] because I get this feeling that I'm dealing with jerks and dense people with no idea whatsoever about netiquette there [18:33] Seeker`: even still, quality has gone south like duck in winter [18:55] Myrtti, I dont know about that - I've always thuoght it was scraping the bottom of the barrel [18:56] no, there has really been good moments [18:58] but I note that I've had to complain to the users more about !language, !offtopic and also (*snifffff* smells funny here...) advise them to behave better [19:01] I'm getting troll wibes at u [19:01] me? [19:01] Myrtti, it is not you [19:16] Now I remember what smells funny [19:16] I put the oven on for making a pizza [19:38] I've never seen a /remove or /kick work better than just a final warning [19:43] jrib, cut that out :P [19:50] jrib, Ive seen it stop people and work well [19:51] !pong [19:51] pong is an old atari game. It's fun! [19:52] Mez: key word is "better" [19:52] jrib, it either works or it doesnt. Whats the harm in trying it to start [19:52] other than lazyness? [19:53] it's an unnecessary display of power [19:53] jrib: which is why we should catalyze first [19:53] "hey, I've warned you that the rule in this channel is X. You haven't stopped. If you continue, I will have to ban you from the channel. Please stop now." works better imo [19:54] I'm starting to think busta5000 in u is trolling [20:00] jrib, really nice way to say that [20:01] "hey, I've informed you that the rule in this channel is X. You haven't stopped. If you continue, I will have to ban you from the channel. Please stop now." [20:01] it takes it down a notch [20:01] /me makes an alias for that [20:02] jrib, to not labour it you might make it shorter and more generic [20:03] "hey, I've informed you that you were infringing channel rules. You haven't stopped. If you continue, I will have to ban you from the channel. Please stop now." [20:03] "hey, I've informed you that your previous behaviour isn't excepted and is against the rules. [20:03] ompaul: yes, I prefer "informed" as well, thanks [20:03] Myrtti, na don't like excepted accepted might be better [20:03] informed sounds a bit stuck up [20:04] Myrtti, much less grief than warned [20:04] "I've told you" [20:04] *sigh* [20:04] I wish my brain chemistry was in balance [20:04] Myrtti, you had that up your sleeve hadn't you :) [20:04] I feel like falling all the time now [20:05] I should probably just go lie down on floor [20:05] boot time --> [20:20] most interesting to see the klines - someone wasting a lot of time and staff doing good work [21:37] Flannel called the ops in #ubuntu (Kifer) [21:38] thats cause the staff always do a good job [21:39] lovely people [21:41] [23:37] <+FloodBot1> Kifer sent 1.5 messages while muted [21:41] HUHHHH?!!1 [21:41] hehe [21:41] 1.5 ? How can someone send 1.5 messages? [21:41] *blink* [21:41] half a repeat? [21:44] umm, im off to bed, but emmet in #u ? [21:44] [23:44:34] -*- emmet makes sweet love to a goat behind the ostrich barn on a full moon [21:46] ldsdsds, check your ident [21:47] (and Real Name) [21:47] give 1 bnc pls [21:47] ? [21:48] ldsdsds, you are in #ubuntu-ops [21:48] INVITERS ---> OUT <--- ompaul ! [21:48] mc44 called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic () [21:48] INVITERS ---> OUT <--- ubottu ! [21:48] xtfusion called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic () [21:48] INVITERS ---> OUT <--- ubottu ! [21:49] wtf was that? [21:49] can you read it? [21:49]