[00:08] <awen_> ScottK: regarding bug 228568 ... if the battery isn't present when g-p-m starts up it will in most cases not get recognized when inserted (depends on the way HAL treats the battery)
[00:09] <ScottK> awen_: I read the bug that the battery was there, but not recognized if on A/C.  Maybe I read the bug wrong.
[00:10] <awen_> ScottK: okay ... could be me misreading it too; reading it three times still didn't make me sure of the exact situation
[00:12] <awen_> ScottK: btw ... did you have time to look at http://awen.dk/packages/kde-guidance_0.8.0svn20080103-0ubuntu17.debdiff
[00:48] <ScottK> awen_: No.  I haven't.  Are we looking at a Hardy SRU or Intrepid?
[00:50] <awen_> ScottK: both actually, but primary an SRU
[00:50] <ScottK> awen_: Did Riddell express an opinion about SRU?
[00:51] <awen_> ScottK: no, not what I remember
[00:52] <ScottK> If he thinks it's appropriate for an SRU, then I'd say let's pursue it.  Otherwise I think it ought to go into his kde4 port.
[00:53] <awen_> ScottK: in the kde4 port we should hopefully be able to get rid of the gpmhelper ... and it's a fix to that
[00:54] <awen_> ScottK: so it is only interesting for intrepid if we end up having a kde3 remix version
[00:55] <ScottK> Right.  Well then we need to find out if he wants it for an SRU.
[00:57] <awen_> Riddell: any opinion ^^^ ... tell me if you need any further explanation of the patch
[05:18] <Hobbsee> nixternal: please make tasque grow a few more features, and a notes section that worsk: )
[06:04] <Jucato> worsk!! :)
[09:10] <\sh> moins
[09:13] <\sh> guys, is it just me, or a bug in kde4 hardy, that newly installed packages with .desktop files are not appearing directly in the K menu?
[09:21] <Nightrose> same here
[09:21] <Nightrose> works for non kde 4 apps so far though
[09:23] <\sh> Nightrose: you mean it works with gnome apps? I have the problem with kde3 apps and gnome stuff in the menus...it only shows up after relogging
[09:23] <Nightrose> right
[09:24] <Nightrose> meh i should get ready for class
[09:25] <\sh> it's pfingsten ;)
[09:25] <Nightrose> \sh: maybe i am haluzinating but that's what happened last time i think
[09:25] <\sh> or did I mix something up? and I am reported missing for work?
[09:26] <Nightrose> hmmmm good point
[09:26] <Nightrose> i should just go back t bed
[09:26] <Nightrose> meh
[09:26] <\sh> hehe
[09:27] <Nightrose> damn and today I didn't want to skip class for once...
[09:27] <Nightrose> :P
[09:40] <mornfall> yuriy: Hi, sorry, I have seen that they are in my mailbox, but I haven't had time to check them more closely : - (.
[10:06] <minterior> hello, I'm having problems with java in openoffice Base. I can't open Tables view due to java. It detects the java installation correctly but doesn't run. Any idea? Where can I find help?
[10:07] <Nightrose> minterior: #ubuntu and #kubuntu please :)
[10:07] <minterior> mmm, I'm using kubuntu :)
[10:08] <Nightrose> shouldn't make a lot of difference for OOo
[10:08] <Nightrose> and I said #ubuntu or #kubuntu ;-)
[10:08] <minterior> yes, I was joking. Sorry man
[10:10] <Nightrose> ;-)
[10:11] <Jucato> "man"?
[10:12] <Nightrose> hehe /me had to try hard not to say something :P
[10:12]  * Nightrose hugs Jucato 
[10:13] <Jucato> sorry, just couldn't help it :)
[10:13] <Nightrose> ;-)
[10:13] <\sh> linux is only for man...:=>
[10:13] <Nightrose> :P
[10:14] <Jucato> you only say that because the long pointy stick ain't here :)
[10:14]  * Nightrose will switch to OpenBSD then
[10:14] <Nightrose> haha
[10:14] <\sh> lol
[10:15] <minterior> do you really think that a nick identifies the sex? :P
[10:16] <Nightrose> minterior: nope but you could be less gender specific ;-)
[10:16] <Nightrose> and not assume everyone you meet on irc is male
[10:16] <\sh> Most of the IRC Inhabitants are MoFs ... now you know it
[10:17]  * Nightrose should really test her fixed kopete package
[10:17] <\sh> What are MoFs? This type of human being was found in early 1990 somewhat around 1993 when people are always asking via query people: Are You Male Or Female? Most of the people were answering "Yes!" So, they were MoF
[10:18] <Nightrose> \sh: haha - good one - need to remember that
[10:18] <\sh> There are no gender specific articles...like he or she...it's just "the MoF" or "look, the MoF2
[10:18] <Jucato> yep! that's my favorite type of Q&A...
[10:18] <minterior> then I should said: Sorry Nightrose
[10:18] <Jucato> Q: What do you like? A or B?
[10:18] <Jucato> A: Yes
[10:19] <Nightrose> minterior: that works ;-)
[10:20] <Nightrose> Jucato: people complain that i do that way to often IRL ;P
[10:20] <Jucato> :)
[10:20] <Jucato> you'd fit perfectly in the Philippines :)
[10:20] <Nightrose> hehe
[10:21] <Jucato> where people love to answer "anywhere", "anything", and "anytime" to questions like "What do you want to eat" or "Where do you want to go" or "Do you prefer this or that" (and the answer is "yes")
[10:21] <Nightrose> ;-)
[10:21] <Nightrose> worksforme
[10:22] <Nightrose> \sh: looks like we will be 4 people in the car to berlin btw - you, me, Sput and Sven
[10:23] <Nightrose> and without the booth box
[10:24] <\sh> Nightrose: why without the booth box? btw...what about the openexpo anyways?
[10:24] <Nightrose> \sh: see my last mails - didn't you get them?
[10:25] <Nightrose> short: the booth box is not ready - still getting done - will probably be ready just in time for linuxtag
[10:25] <Nightrose> and the old one can't be shipped since it is too damaged
[10:26] <Nightrose> but we should be fine with our own hardware and Claudia tries to ship some merch to me
[10:26] <\sh> Nightrose: nope i didn't get them or they are hidden in my trash spam box....
[10:27] <minterior> Nightrose: I've already solved my kubuntu problem (ups, it was an openoffice one! xDD)
[10:27] <Nightrose> minterior: ;-) great
[10:27] <\sh> oh yes..there they are
[10:27] <Nightrose> \sh: I'll check though i am pretty sure you were in the TO
[10:27] <Nightrose> ;-) ok
[10:27] <Nightrose> damn your spam folder
[10:28] <Nightrose> please teach it to not eat my mails! ;-)
[10:29] <\sh> oh damn...could it be, that it would be better to not go to the openexpo ?? ;)
[10:29] <Nightrose> hehe nah - we will do that and rock the show
[10:30] <Nightrose> as preperation for linuxtag ;-)
[10:34] <\sh> hehe
[10:34] <\sh> preparing the kde dirty dancing
[10:35] <Nightrose> *g*
[11:17] <Riddell> hunger: where are the upstream bug trackers for telepathy-qt, tapioca-qt and decibel?
[11:21] <hunger> Riddell: Telepath-qt and tapioca-qt at SF. Decibel has a category in the kde tracker.
[11:21] <gnomefreak> Riddell: telepathy looks like sourceforge for source so im not sure if bugs go there as well
[11:22] <hunger> Riddell: We are moving the telepathy-qt/tapioca-qt into the kde svn repo, but that is work in progress and we have nothing in the bugtracker for that (yet?).
[11:28] <nixternal> mornin'
[11:29] <awen_> morn nixternal
[11:35] <Riddell> hunger: do any of those three use the network directly, and do any of them process data?
[11:41] <jussio1> hrm, how do i check my qt version?
[11:41] <Riddell> apt-cache policy libqt4-core
[11:42] <jussio1> ok, seems   Installed: 4.4.0-1ubuntu3~hardy1 is broken. :/
[11:43] <Riddell> how so?
[11:43] <jussio1> it doesnt seem to be compiled with squlite :/
[11:43] <jussio1> sqlite even
[11:45] <Riddell> jussio1: got /usr/lib/qt4/plugins/sqldrivers/libqsqlite.so ?
[11:45] <Riddell> make sure you have libqt4-sql-sqlite installed
[11:47] <jussio1> Riddell: ahh, thank you. that was the issue.
[11:51] <jussi01> now I have my beloved quassel back :)
[11:57] <hunger> Riddell: ?
[11:58] <hunger> Riddell: The SF and the KDE bugtracker can get reached over the network... but I doubt that is what you were asking.
[11:58] <Riddell> hunger: I mean the libraries themselves
[11:59] <Riddell> for this, incase you're wondering, https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportTapiocaDecibel
[11:59] <hunger> Riddell: Telepathy-qt is a D-Bus wrapper. Tapioca-Qt wraps that to provide a nice interface. No network access per se.
[11:59] <Riddell> hunger: and decibel?
[12:00] <hunger> Riddell: Telepathy-Qt is generated code only.
[12:00]  * Riddell moves page to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportDecibel
[12:00] <hunger> Decibel does process data, stores data for the user but does no access the network directly.
[12:01] <hunger> All three access the network indirectly through the telepathy-CMs (gabble and all the rest).
[12:01] <Riddell> yep
[12:04] <ryanakca> amachu: heh, you're already here. Did they adopt our two patches? (last I checked, no, but its my first merge/sync in a while and I'm most likely wrong)
[12:05] <amachu> ryanakca: i am not clearly getting you
[12:05] <amachu> i thought you have taken reponsibilty of that
[12:06] <ryanakca> amachu: I do.
[12:07] <amachu> ryanakca: ok. thank you
[12:08] <amachu> ryanakca: i then took https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/konwert/
[12:08] <amachu> i will be here, and ping if any help is needed
[12:08] <ryanakca> amachu: cheers, and sorry for steeling your merge. I had done it before I had realized you had already claimed it... so I figured, it's been 5-6 days, hopefully you hadn't gotten around to it.
[12:09] <ryanakca> amachu: many thanks :)
[12:09] <amachu> :-)
[13:29] <hunger> What is wrong with kdelibs (kde3) in intrepid?
[13:30] <Riddell> well, you tell us
[13:30] <Riddell> since I doubt anyone else is using it :)
[13:31] <\sh> hunger: hmm?
[13:31] <hunger> \sh: It is held back and does not want to update.
[13:32] <hunger> Riddell: I am not using it either. I'm just checking the waters to find out whether I should update soon.
[13:32] <Hobbsee> try a dist-upgrade, then.
[13:33] <Riddell> I wouldn't until after UDS at the earliest
[13:33] <hunger> Hobbsee: Nah, I never do that.
[13:33] <hunger> Riddell: Yeah, you ubuntu guys keep saying that on each version bump;-)
[13:33] <\sh> hardy -> intrepid is pita
[13:34] <Hobbsee> hunger: well, that's probably your problem.  *shrug*
[13:34] <hunger> Anyway, I am not updating yet, just checking whether at least aptitude thinks a upgrade would work out.
[13:35] <\sh> hunger: please use apt-get...
[13:35] <hunger> \sh: Why?
[13:35] <Hobbsee> because it handles dependancies more transparently.
[13:35] <\sh> I don't trust aptitude since last time I was playing with pbuilder and aptitude
[13:36] <hunger> OK.
[13:38] <\sh> hunger: every time I used it, it succeed for my pbuilder stuff, but when I used apt-get, it failed... so thinking of apt-get vs. aptitude, apt-get is the lowest level of compat we need
[13:38] <\sh> if apt-get is failing, aptitude should fail too, because resolving deps is very delicate..and apt-get is what everyone knows
[13:39] <hunger> \sh: sounds like some messup in the packages to me...
[13:39] <\sh> hunger: yes...but aptitude never showed it
[13:39] <hunger> \sh: It is supposed to be more intelligent:-)
[13:40] <\sh> hunger: it went over the problems....you know, apt-get had a drinking problem..it drinks, drank drunk, fall over the problem..but aptitude was always drinking but not falling ;)
[13:40] <hunger> \sh: Aptitude in hardy is borked anyway.
[13:41] <Hobbsee> wfm.
[13:41] <hunger> \sh: Kept crashing till a couple of days before release. Maybe the new version that should get imported from debian into intrepid is better? Who knows.
[13:41]  * ScottK hasn't trusted aptitude since it thought the best solution to a dependency problem was to remove my KDE and I didn't pay sufficient attention.
[13:41] <\sh> hunger: oh..when I see the updates of hardy after release...I think hardy was more broken then expected
[13:42] <hunger> At least I do have way less trouble with aptitude on my debian boxes than on my ubuntu ones.
[13:42] <\sh> that reminds me....drinking-
[13:42] <hunger> OTOH: my debian boxes have way less packages installed than the ubuntu ones.
[13:51]  * hunger does not get the Mergo-o-matic statistics.
[13:56] <ScottK> Riddell: Does migration and testing of package settings from a upgraders KDE3 -> KDE4 install need a separate spec or do you consider that part of one of the existing ones?
[14:12] <Riddell> ScottK: that's kubuntu-kde-packages
[14:12] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  I think that's a key task for Intrepid.
[14:14] <ScottK> Riddell: I think we need a spec on Display management.  Guidance is still on Xinerama, so it either needs a major upgrade or we use some other Xrandr tool.
[14:29] <gnuton> Why last Qt4.4.0 kubuntu packages are compiled without support for -fvisibility=hidden
[14:29] <gnuton> ?
[14:29] <gnuton> :(
[14:30] <gnuton> i'm unable to recompile some kdesdk... :/
[14:30] <gnuton> i'm unable to recompile kdesdk... :/
[14:38] <smarter> Riddell: ^
[14:39] <Riddell> plenty of -fvisibility=hidden in my build log
[14:50] <gnuton> mmmmm
[14:57] <Nightrose> Riddell: i would take some of the CDs for the kde booth at linuxtag if noone else does
[14:58] <gnuton> however libqt4 (4.4.0-1ubuntu3~hardy1) seems to be compiled without  support for -fvisibility=hidden
[14:58] <Riddell> Nightrose: czessi has ordered already I believe
[14:59] <mhb> hi
[14:59] <Nightrose> Riddell: for the kubuntu booth? or also for the kde booth? cause there was some fight about that at cebit ;-)
[14:59] <awen_> hi Riddell ... did you have an opinion about SRU'ing http://awen.dk/packages/kde-guidance_0.8.0svn20080103-0ubuntu17.debdiff ?
[14:59] <Nightrose> (between the ubuntu and kde booth)
[14:59] <Riddell> Nightrose: hmm, I don't know
[15:00] <Nightrose> ok
[15:00] <Riddell> awen_: seems fair enough, if there's a reproducable test case
[15:00] <mhb> Riddell: are you going to be at Fosscamp, too?
[15:01] <awen_> Riddell: reproducable test case ? ... what does that include
[15:02] <Riddell> awen_: a way to recreate the problems that testers can use to check if it has gone away
[15:02] <Riddell> mhb: yep
[15:04] <mhb> I'll be there on Saturday, but not on Friday (two written exams)
[15:04] <awen_> Riddell: the problems depends on the way HAL treats certain hardware/drivers ... so is pretty hard to reproduce for anyone that doesn't have the affected hardware
[15:06] <\sh> Nightrose: wanna come to au/rhein?
[15:06] <\sh> Nightrose: asparagus time?
[15:07] <\sh> Nightrose:just call me on my mobile...;)
[15:07] <Nightrose> \sh: sounds good but I still have to get a lot done before leaving for fosscamp :( - learning right now
[15:09] <awen_> Riddell: but it works for the original reporter ... and for the rest it is simply a matter of it not doing any harm at all
[15:20] <awen_> anyone have any idea what exactly cmake is complaining about in this case: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11671/ ?
[15:24] <Riddell> nope
[15:24] <Riddell> needs automoc?
[15:33] <awen_> hmm, it compiles fine in debian/unstable but fails miserably in intrepid ... and the only real dependency is libqt4-dev, so something must be different
[15:34] <ScottK> awen_: I'd look at the file lists for Sid and Intrepid libqt4-dev then to see what might be in Debian's package that's not in ours.
[15:34] <smarter> and at the depends/recommends of both packages
[15:35] <ScottK> Yes.  Good point.
[15:35] <Riddell> awen_: is there a bug for this?
[15:35] <ScottK> awen_: Don't forget that Debian's apt installs recommends by default and ours doesn't.
[15:37] <awen_> Riddell: no .. made a sync request for qtoctave so got the reports when it failed to build, and wondered why (as it wasn't obvious)
[15:38] <Riddell> awen_: I mean the guidance update
[15:38] <Riddell> awen_: qtoctave, I've no idea I'm afraid
[15:38] <Riddell> mhb: great, see you then
[15:40] <awen_> Riddell: ahh ... only the original reported bug
[15:42] <awen_> Riddell: you want a bug report for the SRU in itself?
[15:42] <mhb> hey Artemis_Fowl, I am so looking forward to summer holidays, when I will find the time to actually test your work :o)
[15:42] <Riddell> awen_: original is fine
[15:42] <Riddell> awen_: attach the debdiff there
[15:42] <Artemis_Fowl> mhb: I am so looking forward to summer holidays, when I will be all day long at the beach :P
[15:43] <awen_> Riddell: what release should the debdiff state? hardy-updates or hardy
[15:43] <mhb> Artemis_Fowl: you and your beaches...
[15:43] <mhb> :o)
[15:43] <Riddell> awen_: hardy-proposed
[15:43] <mhb> Artemis_Fowl: we don't have any here, so we code all summer :o)
[15:43] <ScottK> awen_: Also do one for intrepid and make sure the version numbers don't conflict.
[15:43] <Artemis_Fowl> mhb: actually from next week on till summer I will be having almost no time at all
[15:43] <Artemis_Fowl> mhb: school exams :(
[15:44] <mhb> Artemis_Fowl: I understand
[15:44] <Artemis_Fowl> mhb: and in the summer when it's 35C I really prefer the beach :)
[15:44] <awen_> ScottK: make an *ubuntu17 for intrepid and an *ubuntu17~hardy1 for hardy-proposed ?
[15:44] <Artemis_Fowl> mhb: anyway
[15:44] <mhb> Artemis_Fowl: how's it going actually?
[15:45] <ScottK> awen_: ubuntu16.1 for hardy-proposed and 17 for intrepid
[15:45] <Artemis_Fowl> seele gave me the wireframes
[15:45] <Artemis_Fowl> I am working on them
[15:46] <Artemis_Fowl> actually I am stuck with the entry attributes presentation :( the tooltip I use is somewhat ugly
[15:49] <Artemis_Fowl> mhb: take a look at this screenshot: http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/files/1302184_nruom/KGRUBEditor38.png
[15:50] <Artemis_Fowl> mhb: and http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/files/1302183_nlocm/KGRUBEditor39.png
[15:50] <awen_> ScottK and Riddell: debdiff for hardy attached to bug 207473
[15:51] <awen_> ScottK: for intrepid the debdiff is here http://awen.dk/packages/kde-guidance_0.8.0svn20080103-0ubuntu17.debdiff
[15:52] <ScottK> awen_: I'll have a look at it.
[15:54] <awen_> ScottK: thanks
[15:57] <mhb> Artemis_Fowl: I wonder, is your application KControl friendly?
[15:58] <mhb> == are you able to launch it from systemsettings and the like
[15:58] <Artemis_Fowl> mhb: it has to be converted into a KCModule, but this requires almost no work at all
[15:58] <jcastro> does kubuntu enable an indexer ootb? Like strigi, etc?
[15:58] <Artemis_Fowl> mhb: with the last modifications I did
[15:59] <mhb> Artemis_Fowl: okay
[16:07] <Artemis_Fowl> mhb: how do you find the tooltips? how would you improve them? I don't really like them :(
[16:07] <Riddell> jcastro: yes strigi is installed, although you have to turn it on
[16:08]  * Artemis_Fowl pings seele
[16:08] <jcastro> Riddell: right, so same thing as ubuntu with tracker, just wondering where this guy got this idea from: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/8179/
[16:09] <Riddell> jcastro: I guess he installed pinot, which probably is on by default
[16:10] <jcastro> yeah, I'll resolve the idea then, I just wanted to make sure how we shipped strigi
[16:11] <mhb> Artemis_Fowl: I am not sure if such information belongs to a tooltip... I mean, you can't select text that is on tooltips, can you?
[16:11] <Artemis_Fowl> mhb: no. that's one reason I don't like it too
[16:12] <mhb> Artemis_Fowl: but I guess many people (especially the not-so-expert ones who're using it, but not only those) would like to select it and paste it to an e-mail, for example
[16:12] <Artemis_Fowl> mhb: y. I suppose so. but this implementation doesn't really satisfies me
[16:13] <Artemis_Fowl> satisfy*
[16:13] <mhb> right, I'm just saying what I think
[16:13] <Artemis_Fowl> mhb: I am looking for alternatives
[16:13] <Artemis_Fowl> mhb: but haven't come up with any till now
[16:14] <mhb> why do you need tooltips there anyway?
[16:14] <mhb> I assume you can access all this information in a "Edit" window
[16:15] <Artemis_Fowl> mhb: y. but it would be nice to be able to view these info without having to open a edit window
[16:17] <mhb> hmm, well a suggestion may be to put a "+" button on the right side of every item
[16:17] <mhb> which would show some details about a particular option
[16:18] <mhb> but I would not add as many information there as you put in that tooltip, perhaps just a 4,5 lines
[16:18] <mhb> also it may not be trivial to do that in Qt
[16:20] <Artemis_Fowl> the + idea seems nice
[16:52] <Riddell> Czessi: did you see Nightrose's question above?
[16:55] <\sh> re
[16:56] <ScottK> awen_: kde-guidance uploaded to Intrepid.  Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu.
[16:56] <ScottK> Riddell: I'll leave the SRU for you.
[16:56] <awen_> ScottK: thanks a lot
[16:57] <\sh> Nightrose: did I say I'm cooking? ;)
[17:04] <Czessi> Riddell: sorry, can't find the question.  a few hours ago i where temporary offline
[17:05] <Riddell> Czessi: about Kubuntu-KDE4 disks, are they for Kubuntu or KDE
[17:05] <Riddell> or both
[17:07] <Czessi> Riddell, Nightrose: we order only for kubuntu. when canonical send a lot, we can give some to kde
[17:09] <dinosaur-rus> hi
[17:09] <Czessi> Riddell, Nightrose: but at each other events here in germany, we spend kde some kubuntu cds. i think it's no problem to do it again ;)
[17:10] <Nightrose> re
[17:10] <Nightrose> Czessi: at cebit we got about none :(
[17:10] <Nightrose> we had 10 or so for the whole event - and a whole lot of suse cds
[17:10] <Czessi> Nightrose: sorry, but we where not at cebit
[17:10] <Nightrose> Czessi: ;-) yea but julius
[17:11] <Czessi> Nightrose: we ordered 2000 CDs (kde3 and kde4)
[17:11] <Czessi> for linuxtag
[17:11] <Nightrose> sounds good if you get them all
[17:11] <Nightrose> and enough
[17:11] <Nightrose> let's hope you get them
[17:11] <Czessi> yes, i think they give us only 1000
[17:11] <Nightrose> k
[17:13]  * jussi01 slaps stupid memory sticks... grrr
[17:14] <\sh> Nightrose: too late for attending asparagus ... everythings served ;)
[17:14] <Nightrose> \sh: ;-) too bad - guten appetit
[17:37] <\sh> Nightrose: damn you...very tasty
[17:41] <dinosaur-rus> Riddell: you said fabo has updated Qt4 packages, but I don't see anything new
[17:43] <Riddell> dinosaur-rus: not in Kubuntu
[17:43] <dinosaur-rus> Riddell: then where?
[17:43] <ScottK> That other distribution.
[17:43] <Riddell> dinosaur-rus: he does Debian, we sync/merge from Debian as appropriate
[17:43] <ScottK> Debian.
[17:44] <dinosaur-rus> ah... so when these packages may come to Kubuntu?
[17:59] <ScottK> Riddell: Do you know when specs are going to get assigned to UDS so we can subscribe to them?  It'd help with having the initial schedule be somewhat sane.
[18:00] <Riddell> no idea
[18:00] <DaSkreech> Bah Sanity is highly over rated
[18:01] <jdavies> DaSkreech: good evening
[18:02] <DaSkreech> hi jdavies
[18:09] <PasNox> hi all
[18:09] <PasNox> i have a problem using kde4
[18:09] <jjesse_> hello
[18:09] <PasNox> package version is taggues 4.04
[18:09] <PasNox> but after install and reboot, about diialogs always tell kde version 4.03
[18:09] <PasNox> is it a bug ?
[18:10] <PasNox> taggued*
[18:12] <PasNox> is it right channel to speak about kde4 ?
[18:12] <DaSkreech> PasNox: If it's about development
[18:13] <DaSkreech> #kubuntu-kde4 is the normal channel
[18:13] <PasNox> oki, and about kde4 packaging ?
[18:13] <PasNox> because it seem package error
[18:13] <PasNox> i don't think i have kde4 problem, just package version seem erroneous
[18:14] <DaSkreech> that would be here
[18:14] <PasNox> and i jsut want to know if it's know probleme, or i have update problem
[18:14] <JontheEchidna> It's a known problem
[18:15] <PasNox> JontheEchidna: ok, so i really use 4.03 kde4 version ?
[18:15] <JontheEchidna> Nope
[18:15] <JontheEchidna> It is 4.0.4
[18:15] <PasNox> ok thanks ;)
[18:15] <JontheEchidna> KDE just forgot to bump the version number up for the help menus
[18:15] <DaSkreech> as far as I know the package is 4.0.4 and you are on the latest version as long as apt-cache policy kde3libs-bin says 4.0.4
[18:16] <DaSkreech> Just a "clerical error" forgot to change the help menu strings
[18:17] <PasNox> DaSkreech: ok thanks
[18:18] <PasNox> !paste
[18:18] <PasNox> DaSkreech, JontheEchidna: i got this : http://paste.ubuntu.com/11700/
[18:18] <PasNox> is it ok ?
[18:19] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[18:19] <PasNox> thanks
[18:19] <DaSkreech> PasNox: Installé: 4:4.0.4
[18:19] <DaSkreech> :-D
[18:20] <PasNox> ;)
[18:27] <PasNox> bye
[18:34] <DaSkreech> bye
[18:39] <DaSkreech> Anyone else have the keyboard disable for a few minutes when switching desktops ?
[18:41] <PasNox> hi again, it would be nice to update webissues package, it's now 0.92 stable version but kubuntu version is still to previous version
[18:41] <PasNox> the new version has many new features that would require a package update
[18:44] <Riddell> PasNox: of what?
[18:44] <PasNox> webissues
[18:45] <PasNox> Riddell:
[18:48] <DaSkreech> PasNox: #ubuntu-motu
[18:48] <DaSkreech> unlikely to happen anytime soon though
[18:50] <Riddell> PasNox: of what?
[18:51] <PasNox> Riddell: of what , of what, of what what ???? you read answer ?
[18:51] <Riddell> aah, I see now
[18:51] <PasNox> DaSkreech: thanks, i go ask there
[18:51] <PasNox> Riddell: ;)
[18:52] <Riddell> PasNox: best thing to to ask ScottK for a backport
[18:54] <PasNox> Riddell: ok i ask him thanks ;)
[18:54] <ScottK> PasNox: You need to get it into Intrepid first (if it isn't already).
[18:54] <Riddell> ScottK: it is
[18:54] <ScottK> Ah.
[18:54] <ScottK> OK.
[18:54] <DaSkreech> !info webissues intrepid
[18:54] <PasNox> ScottK: what is intrepid ?
[18:55] <ScottK> PasNox: Next version of Ubuntu.
[18:55] <ScottK> PasNox: To get it backported to Hardy, you need to request a backport.
[18:55] <ScottK> !backports | PasNox
[18:55] <PasNox> ah, but i want to stay in my current hardy version :D
[18:55] <Riddell> PasNox: I just let through kde4libs_4.0.4-0ubuntu1~hardy2 which fixes the version number, it should be available tomorrow
[18:55] <PasNox> Riddell: thanks
[18:55] <DaSkreech> !intrepid
[18:56] <ScottK> PasNox: Backports is the way to get get new version available for Hardy.
[18:56] <PasNox> ScottK: ok let go
[18:56] <PasNox> yeah i know it's there i got kde4 :)
[18:58] <DaSkreech> PasNox: no the fix for the 4.0.3 in the menus
[18:59] <talavis_> the opengl-dev package is incorrect for qt 4.4, shall i recompile myself or are there any plans to fix it?
[19:00] <Riddell> talavis_: in what way?
[19:01] <talavis_> riddell: i think some files are in both libqt4-dev and libgt4-opengl-dev
[19:01] <Riddell> talavis_: probably some just moved?  which ones?
[19:02] <talavis_> i receive "trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/pkgconfig/QtOpenGL.pc', which is also in package libqt4-dev" when installing it
[19:02]  * Riddell installs it
[19:15] <Riddell> talavis_: right, it's a file that got moved but the replaces is missing
[19:16] <Riddell> I'll fix it in the next upload
[19:37] <nixternal> Riddell: I just got an email that said all of the 4.0.4 backports were rejects..what's up?
[19:38] <Riddell> nixternal: just me rejecting them from the queue, since backports were compiling too slowly I put them in a PPA then copied them over
[19:38] <nixternal> ahhh, groovy
[19:38] <Riddell> that seems a better way to do it generally, since it gives us a place to test them first
[19:38] <nixternal> yes! I think I remember saying that from the get go :p
[19:39] <nixternal> w00t, get new DSL tomorrow..no more Comcast!
[19:39] <nixternal> 10MB down, 2MB up, 5 static IPs
[19:39] <nixternal> so my TV (High Def Cable), Telephone, and Internet will all be on a fiber channel that now runs to the house
[19:40] <Riddell> nixternal: you're right as always (the tricky part was working out how to do the ppa to -backports move)
[19:40] <nixternal> hahaha, Riddell I was right just once :)
[19:40] <nixternal> I am typically wrong though
[19:41] <nixternal> oh, that isn't what I said...didn't catch the PPA -> -backports part...just thought you said PPA
[19:41] <nixternal> dang, so I wasn't right again :)  at least my SQL final is 100% correct (I hope)
[19:42] <ScottK> Ooooh.
[19:42]  * ScottK knows who to talk to the next time he needs to do a mass clamav backport ....
[19:43] <nixternal> heh, I have been working on my SQL final since 05:00...and it is now 13:43
[19:43] <nixternal> now I just need to put all of the images together, zip up all of my files, and email it to the professor
[19:44] <DaSkreech> nixternal: how did your presentation go?
[19:47] <yuriy> anybody look at my specs email?
[19:48] <Riddell> yuriy: where's that?
[19:48] <yuriy> Riddell: k-d@ about a week ago
[19:49] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: ping?
[19:51] <Riddell> yuriy: got it, poke me if I don't reply to it by the end of the day
[19:54] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: pong
[19:55] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: hey, first of, the other day I got disconnected and didn't see your reply. I saw it today on the logs
[19:55] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: I would like to tell you about the tooltip thing
[19:55] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: I eventually don't really like it
[19:55] <seele> ok
[19:55] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: it's a bit ugly and moreover, the user cannot for instance select text
[19:55] <seele> what is another way we can present the information?
[19:56] <seele> yes, i saw mhb's comment earlier
[19:56] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: I hoped you could tell me :)
[19:56] <seele> his idea of the expanding list view was OK.  the only problem i had with your was the way you had to double click it to open/close it
[19:56] <Artemis_Fowl> but as you saw I thought an Info icon on the right of each entry would be nice
[19:56] <seele> or that
[19:57] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: you didn't have to double click :|
[19:58] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: anyway. what about a small icon on the right of each entry
[19:58] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: which upon pressing shows the desired info?
[19:59] <seele> sounds ok, but i'll know better once i see it
[19:59] <seele> is that how other list views do extra information?
[20:00] <Artemis_Fowl> the thing is, I have found no other list views that show extra info except for Adept's
[20:01] <DaSkreech> Hows adept-kde4 ?
[20:02]  * JontheEchidna thinks that adept_notifier would be good as a plasmoid
[20:07] <yuriy> DaSkreech: considering using it to upgrade my laptop to kde 4.0.4 to see what breaks
[20:07] <yuriy> i'm more concerned about the new kde breaking it though than the new adept
[20:13] <DaSkreech> JontheEchidna: Wouldn't that need an apt DataEngine ?
[20:13] <JontheEchidna> I suppose
[20:14] <JontheEchidna> Hey, in theory you could make an rpm dataengine or any dataengine you want and it could be universal
[20:15] <DaSkreech> in theory you could make a DataEngine that feeds off of backend dataengines and ahave a plasmoid that does everything
[20:15] <DaSkreech> That's how Weather works
[20:16] <JontheEchidna> the weather plasmoid has a dataengine tha feeds off data engines? crazy!
[20:16] <DaSkreech> there are numerous dataengines that get info from around the world and one Weather Dataengine that consumes all that info and provides it for the plasmoids that need it
[20:16] <DaSkreech> JontheEchidna: Even better the first set of dataengnies don't know that they are feeding a dataengine :)
[20:17] <JontheEchidna> hah
[20:17] <DaSkreech> It could be plasmoid for all they care
[20:17] <JontheEchidna> Modularity for the iwn
[20:17] <JontheEchidna> *win
[20:17] <DaSkreech> So you can continue that stack for as many levels as you like or better have as diverse a set of information as you want pulling together
[20:18] <DaSkreech> so you can have a plasmoid pull from a contact availabilty DataEngine and a hardware status DataEngine and display it anyway you want
[20:19] <DaSkreech> or have a network transparent DataEngine for package management and have one plasmoid give you reports on all the computers on the network regardless if they use ebuilds rpm or debs
[20:20] <yuriy> DaSkreech: have you tried coding this stuff?
[20:21] <JontheEchidna> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/7740/
[20:21] <yuriy> -9? wtf?
[20:22] <JontheEchidna> yeah, srsly
[20:22] <JontheEchidna> KDE haters must be out in full force
[20:22] <DaSkreech> yuriy: I'm writing a Jaiku engine
[20:22] <yuriy> but anyways, i think it should defintely be a plasmoid
[20:22] <yuriy> Jaiku?
[20:23] <yuriy> DaSkreech: want to start on a package notifier plasmoid? ^_^
[20:23] <DaSkreech> yuriy: Yeah pretty much put any idea on brain storm that mentions KDE and I promise by the end of the day it will about -30
[20:23] <DaSkreech> yuriy: Nope :)
[20:23] <JontheEchidna> We need a Kubuntu brainstorm site or something
[20:24] <yuriy> hmm i wonder what this SoC project is that's mentioned in the forum thread
[20:24] <JontheEchidna> I couldn't figure that out either, looking at the SoC lists
[20:24] <DaSkreech> JontheEchidna: It will go back up but expect an instant backlash that any work be done on KDE which would be "detrimental" to Ubuntu
[20:24] <Nightrose> yuriy: where?
[20:25] <yuriy> Nightrose: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=771447 2nd post
[20:26]  * Nightrose checks the mentor page at google
[20:27] <JontheEchidna> Oh well, I guess you can't always get the "smartest" results from mob-mentality driven sites such as brainstorm
[20:27] <JontheEchidna> "Remove all drivers to save space and download necessary drivers during the install!"
[20:28] <DaSkreech> Is it really really sad that I have the GSoC KDE page open everytime I log in ? :(
[20:28] <jjesse> maybe slightly?
[20:30] <Nightrose> yuriy: maybe he didn't understand http://code.google.com/soc/2008/kde/appinfo.html?csaid=CB51037C010D7473
[20:30] <DaSkreech> yuriy: No clue.
[20:30] <Nightrose> but besides that i can't find anything that fits the description
[20:30] <JontheEchidna> ah yeah, probably that
[20:30] <DaSkreech> I was thinking he mistook Extenders
[20:30] <Nightrose> heh maybe he mixed them up ;-)
[20:30] <DaSkreech> 'http://code.google.com/soc/2008/kde/appinfo.html?csaid=C63CFBBCED0239B6'
[20:31] <DaSkreech> Though that would allow somethings that they guy was thinking about
[20:31] <DaSkreech> Just not all
[20:32] <JontheEchidna> extenders would work quite well for such a plasmoid
[20:32] <DaSkreech> yeah
[20:35] <vorian> afternoon :)
[20:35] <DaSkreech> $TIME_OF_DAY :-)
[20:36] <vorian> (3:30pm)
[20:36] <vorian> Happy time 'o day to ye
[20:40]  * Serega is upgrading to KDE 4.0.4 right now. Thnk you very much guys for such ease of this process!!!
[20:41]  * DaSkreech high fives Serega 
[20:42]  * Serega bows to DaSkreech
[20:43] <DaSkreech> though you should probably write a letter to Ian as well :)
[20:43] <yuriy> Serega: please tell how it goes.  my kwin is leaking memory since the upgrade so i'm stuck between using kwin3 or doing a kwin --replace every 2 hours
[20:44] <DaSkreech> yuriy: Hmm strange
[20:44] <Serega> yuriy: huh... ok
[20:44] <DaSkreech> I just get my keyboard removed from my control on random  Ctrl+$KEYPAD presses
[20:44] <DaSkreech> But then I've been having that since 4.0.1
[20:52] <Serega> interesting why amarok-nightly needs 158M in several packages? I suspect I also get KDE4.1 nightlies in the amarok-nightlies-runtime :)
[20:52] <DaSkreech> quite likely
[20:52] <DaSkreech> it depends on KDE 4.1 now
[20:53] <Nightrose> Serega: right
[20:53] <DaSkreech> But you are installing that at some point right? :-D
[20:53] <Nightrose> DaSkreech: ?
[20:53] <Serega> DaSkreech: I preferred to get 4.0.4 first ;)
[20:54] <Nightrose> Serega: well it is a very slimmed down version of kde 4.1 ;-) - all we need for amarok
[20:55] <DaSkreech> Nightrose: Installing 4.1
[20:55] <DaSkreech> Nightrose: Will amarok eventually rely on plasma instead of having a local fork?
[20:56] <Serega> Nightrose: I didn't doubt it. it's okay :) Great thanks for amarok2!
[20:56] <Nightrose> DaSkreech: you want nightlies of kde 4.1? if someone has the time to do the necesarry tweaks on neon it might be possible
[20:56] <Nightrose> DaSkreech: right now we have an svn: external on a plasma revision that works
[20:56] <DaSkreech> Nightrose: >_<
[20:56] <Nightrose> which gets bumped up from time to time
[20:56] <Nightrose> not sure if that will change
[20:56] <Nightrose> Serega: ;-)
[20:57] <DaSkreech> Nightrose: I was saying that amarok-nightly is that large cause it has 4.1 code but that won't be a problem once Serega starts installing 4.1 :-)
[20:57] <Nightrose> heh right - though i am not sure how we will handle all this once 4.1 is released - Harald is the one to ask
[21:05] <Serega> "do a full upgrade." means dist-upgrade?
[21:05] <Serega> in 4.0.0 howto
[21:05] <Serega> on kubuntu.org
[21:08] <smarter> Serega: yes
[21:10] <smarter> Serega: if you use aptitude, (dist-)upgrade is deprecated and you should use safe-upgrade or full-upgrade
[21:10] <JontheEchidna> Is Intrepid Ibex safe to upgrade to?
[21:10] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: No.
[21:11] <JontheEchidna> Though as much
[21:11] <jdavies> JontheEchidna: I suggest idling in #ubuntu+1 for updates
[21:12] <JontheEchidna> Thanks
[21:12] <jdavies> better put, the /topic has all info
[21:12]  * yuriy notices the bug he just commented was jjesse's and is surprised that he doesn't understand it
[21:13] <ScottK> At this point (and for quite some time) if you have to ask, then answer is no.
[21:14] <Serega> smarter: em... I will have intrepid after the upgrade, right? but 4.0.4 is in the _hardy_-backports. Is it good?
[21:15] <smarter> Serega: you don't get intrepid unless you change your sources.list to [...] archive.u.c intrepid [...]
[21:16] <Serega> okay, I trust you :)
[21:16]  * Serega answers 'Y' to 'aptitude full-upgrade'
[21:18] <smarter> looks at what aptitude tells you anyway
[21:20] <larsivi_> any known problems with Firefox and Java applets in 8.04? My applet refuse to init - it does init in konqui, but that has other undefined problems
[21:21] <Nightrose> fix for the rendering problems in konqueror: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/+bug/229711
[21:31] <DaSkreech> java is a bit wonky in 8.04 I've found
[21:32] <larsivi_> kinda problematic when most banks around here requires it
[21:33] <yuriy> heh searching for kubuntu or kde on brainstorm pretty much just pulls up things that say "kubuntu/kde has this, ubuntu/gnome should too"
[21:33] <awen_> larsivi_: if you've upgraded be sure you don't have some old java7 (icedtea) components/plugins around
[21:33] <DaSkreech> yuriy: not the other way around?
[21:33] <larsivi_> awen_: I did upgrade, but don't know that I've ever installed anything java7 (?) or icedtea stuff
[21:35] <awen_> larsivi_: icedtea/java7 was renamed to openjdk, but seems to be some transitions problems ... so if you (probably not aware of it) had it installed, i might give you trouble
[21:35] <awen_> larsivi_: had the same problem ... uninstalled all the browser plugins, and reinstalled only one of them, that did the trick
[21:35] <JontheEchidna> yuriy: I smiled when I saw the "Nautilus should have x dolphin feature"
[21:36] <DaSkreech> JontheEchidna: Of course it should. And Dolphin should have x konqueror feature
[21:36] <larsivi_> awen_: seems like I only got 6.0, but will try uninstall/install
[21:36] <DaSkreech> but what would be very good for KDE to have some canonical support in?
[21:37] <DaSkreech> I think the user clickNreveal stuff
[21:38] <larsivi_> awen_: hah, I shouldn't use aptitude to tell me what I have installed, I obviously doesn't understand how to use it
[21:38] <larsivi_> adept tells me I had icedtea plugin
[21:39] <awen_> larsivi_: then that's it probably it
[21:39] <awen_> larsivi_: icedtea has been renamed ... so uninstall all of it
[23:07] <larsivi_> awen_: thanks, it is working now :)
[23:08] <awen_> larsivi_: cool :)
[23:11] <larsivi_> awen_: I'm still frustrated it doesn't work in konqui though :/
[23:11] <larsivi_> the applet start, but it refuses to connect, the applet saying some error occurred
[23:12] <larsivi_> and the bank support generally know very little of linux
[23:12] <awen_> larsivi_: often banks rely on some javascript magic wrapping around the java-applet ... and that might be what fails
[23:13] <larsivi_> awen_: I suppose - any way I can debug that?
[23:13] <awen_> larsivi_: you should have a "bug" symbol in the lower right corner in konqui listing the errors
[23:17] <larsivi_> awen_: there is no bug symbol, just adblock filter, padlock and java console info (which lists no errors)
[23:19] <awen_> larsivi_: then there is no javascript errors (detected) ... hmm, there is too many possible sources of errors the way many banks inplement their web banking
[23:20] <larsivi_> awen_: yes, I'll probably have to try their support again - weird thing if it is a bug on their side though, as most banks in norway use the same system/applet
[23:21] <awen_> larsivi_: it's almost the same in denmark ... i'm just lucky that my primary bank uses no java at all
[23:23] <larsivi_> awen_: my old expensive bank doesn't use java, but is in the process of moving to the same as most of the others
[23:23] <larsivi_> anyway, thanks and good night :)
[23:23] <awen_> goodnight to you too