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ubottubascule called the ops in #kubuntu (rajdhani)00:13
Myrtti[03:06] *** Flip2405 [n=dem0n@c-71-204-57-251.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit  ["Kage is a fucking retard im outtie"]01:07
MyrttiI tried to put a banforward to here01:13
elkbuntubazhang noticed that twit yesterday too01:16
Myrttithat's exactly why I put a banforward on him01:16
Myrttihe should've been asked to change it, if so, then the banforward is in place, if not, then it's a sign u is too busy for us to note and remember to ask him to change his quit message01:17
no0ticwhy Lj.L has disappeared?02:46
ubottuFloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)03:50
ubottuastro76 called the ops in #ubuntu (slvmchn)03:50
Madpilotthe last got k-lined...03:56
Madpilotidiot03:56
PiciIt wasn't klined when he called ops03:56
nalioththere are no more automated klines03:57
MadpilotI know. ¨idiot" was for the D C C spammer, not the guy who called ops03:57
bazhangwow nice ident06:52
Amaranth!info mono06:56
ubottuPackage mono does not exist in hardy06:56
Amaranthbleh06:56
Madpilot!find mono06:56
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Amaranthit's a source package06:57
Madpilotbleh again06:57
Madpilotevidently under a different name than just ´mono´ in hardy06:57
Amaranth!info mono-common06:57
Myrtti!find sharp06:57
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Amaranthsee, "source: mono"06:58
Amaranththe bot doesn't do source packages :P06:58
Amaranth!info mono intrepid06:58
ubottuPackage mono does not exist in intrepid06:58
Amarantherr, duh06:58
Amaranth!info mono-common intrepid06:58
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Amaranthwhee06:58
MyrttiI swear to Gaia, if the doctors think I need to have my medication for longer than July, I'll happily eat them no matter they cost 1€ a day. This is horrible07:01
MyrttiI'll never ever forget to take my meds again07:01
Myrtti;____;07:01
bazhang!coc07:10
ubottuThe Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/07:10
bazhanggestapospank a family friendly nick?07:13
* elkbuntu cuddles Myrtti07:57
Amaranthjdong: I need your l33t admin powers to make the desktop effects forum description not suck07:58
AmaranthIt is fully buzzword compliant and information free07:59
jussi01Does anyone know if the is a planet ubuntu archive? ie. the blog posts that have dropped off the bottom of planet?08:02
Amaranthjussi01: the blogs of the people that are on there08:04
elkbuntujussi01, archive.org? :Þ08:04
jussi01Amaranth: yeah, problem is I know hwat the blog post was about, it was on the last night, but I can for the life of me remeber the blogger...08:05
Amaranthjussi01: what was it about?08:05
Amaranthmaybe we can help :)08:05
jussi01Ubuntu mobile image creation testing, in xephyr08:05
Amaranthmy liferea history is longer than the planet ubuntu page :)08:05
jussi01had a nice ubuntu mobile screenshot on it.08:06
Amaranthjussio1: http://blog.omma.net/?p=808:06
AmaranthAlso, I hate your clone08:06
Amaranth:P08:06
jussi01Amaranth: you rock. thank you very much :)08:06
jussi01happy?08:07
Amaranthyes :)08:07
Amaranthxchat-gnome tabbing sucks and i got sick of patching it08:07
jussi01doesnt really matter, I get hilighted on both08:08
gnomefreakwhos is it we talk to about removing a mailing list?08:14
bazhangwow bantracker is sweet :)08:14
bazhangespecially the way you can add comments after the fact08:14
AmaranthPeople actually post comments in there? :P08:15
jussi01gnomefreak: I think thats elmo iirc08:16
bazhanghaha08:16
gnomefreakjussi01: thanks08:16
* jussi01 slaps Amaranth... 08:16
jussi01Amaranth: !! be nice... :P08:39
Amaranthjussi01: This is the same argument the automatix devs give me08:40
AmaranthThey screw up, we should modify ubuntu to work around their screwups08:40
jussi01Amaranth: yeah, I know. :D08:40
ubottusoundray called the ops in #ubuntu (kindofabuzz bad advice)08:49
Amaranthbazhang: No warning for that kind of thing, just get rid of them08:50
bazhangAmaranth, okay08:50
Amaranthwhat is the factoid to tell people to not run that command?08:50
bazhang!danger08:50
ubottuDO NOT RUN THAT COMMAND That particular command is DANGEROUS and shouldn't be uttered here. REST OF YOU: DANGER, WILL ROBINSON, DANGER! Do not use the command or utter it here thank you!08:51
bazhangor it was that08:51
bazhangAmaranth, also ban?08:51
Amaranthbazhang: yeah08:51
ubottuFloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join)08:52
ubottuFloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join)08:52
bazhangyou kicked him 08:52
Amaranthi did a ban too08:52
bazhangoh I see the ban now sorry08:52
Amaranthand then either the bots for antsy or he retaliated?08:52
bazhangyou never give that command kindofabuzz 08:53
bazhangthanks Amaranth 08:54
kindofabuzzi'm sorry, not like many people knew what it was08:54
bazhangno excuse kindofabuzz 08:54
kindofabuzzsorry man08:54
AmaranthYou know that command is bad, why even say it?08:54
kindofabuzzit will never happen again08:54
bazhangyou were also overly aggressive towards a helper fde08:54
kindofabuzzit was a joke08:54
bazhangand warned several times not to be08:54
kindofabuzzi believe he was overly aggressive to me08:54
jussi01!joke08:55
ubottuYou might think your joke is funny, but you may confuse new users who follow your advice or irritate people who attempt to answer your question.08:55
kindofabuzzi apologize08:55
bazhanghe was helping that user for some time and then you interjected08:55
bazhangand were asked to back off08:55
bazhangseveral times by several individuals08:56
bazhangand then you pasted that dangerous command08:56
bazhang!coc 08:57
ubottuThe Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/08:57
bazhangplease read that kindofabuzz 08:57
kindofabuzzi know i was wrong, once again sorry08:57
bazhangcome back in a couple of days and we can talk again08:57
kindofabuzzhere?08:58
bazhangyes08:58
kindofabuzzok08:58
bazhangbest not to idle here.08:58
Myrtti@login08:59
ubottuMyrtti: The operation succeeded.08:59
Myrtti!rmrf08:59
ubottuFactoid rmrf not found08:59
Myrtti!-danger08:59
ubottudanger has no aliases - added by ompaul on 2008-03-08 18:30:18 - last edited by ompaul on 2008-03-08 22:41:4208:59
bazhangi.e. kindofabuzz  best to depart now and come back in a couple of days08:59
Myrtti!rmrf/08:59
ubottuFactoid rmrf/ not found08:59
kindofabuzzok 08:59
Myrtti!rmrf/ is <reply> foo09:00
ubottuI'll remember that, Myrtti09:00
Myrtti!no rmrf/ is <alias> danger09:00
ubottuI'll remember that Myrtti09:00
Myrtti!rmrf/09:00
ubottuDO NOT RUN THAT COMMAND That particular command is DANGEROUS and shouldn't be uttered here. REST OF YOU: DANGER, WILL ROBINSON, DANGER! Do not use the command or utter it here thank you!09:00
bazhangmaybe add something like your system will be wiped09:00
bazhangjust so they dont test it out09:01
Myrttibazhang: there are plenty of other commands that are dangerous enough to be given !danger09:01
bazhangtrue Myrtti 09:01
gnomefreakadd something like you will be banned on site for atleast $TIME?09:03
gnomefreakkind of save the user from asking why and trying to fight it?09:04
bazhanginsta-perma-megaban09:04
MyrttiI wouldn't even ban them09:04
Myrttimost people who give rmrf/ don't know it's a no no09:04
Myrttior understand it09:05
Myrttia remove, banforward to here and explaining the matter09:05
elkbuntuMyrtti, indeed. i know one that starts with 'A' and ends with 'x'09:05
bazhangax?09:06
Myrttiau-tah-mah-tex09:06
bazhangps ax | grep09:06
elkbuntuheh09:06
elkbuntuthat starts with 'p' :Þ09:06
bazhangthough envy is now a restricted module09:06
bazhanghhaha09:06
elkbuntuthats because the envy guy had guts enough to accept what was crack about his application and work towards improving it09:07
bazhangbravo to him09:07
MyrttiI get a funny feeling when someone advices on the usage of dd if=/dev/random09:07
Myrttior was it of...09:08
Myrttican't remember09:08
gnomefreaki have a hard time believing that a user for now reason gives that command doesnt know what it means unless they are asking what does this do09:08
gnomefreakbut just a random comment or telling user to run it they know damn well what it does09:08
bazhanghe knew09:08
gnomefreakmost do09:08
Myrttignomefreak: even still, I think it's a bit rash to ban them for days?09:09
gnomefreakfor a day for a few hours thats why i stated $TIME09:09
MyrttiFlip2405: good day09:09
* gnomefreak never said "for days"09:09
MyrttiFlip2405: you're on this channel instead of #ubuntu because of your quit message09:09
Flip2405Hello i was trying to get into linux development and i was wondering what language the .c exetension09:10
MyrttiFlip2405: I'm requesting you to please change it09:10
Flip2405opps09:10
Flip2405forgot about that sruy09:10
Flip2405okay09:10
Flip2405there ya go :) but09:10
Flip2405my question is simple so instead of putting me in a room full of spam can you please awnser :)09:11
Flip2405Myrtti09:12
Flip2405Hello09:12
gnomefreakFlip2405: this isnt a support channel. If you are asking a question how do you think its easy? if easy you wouldnt need to ask09:12
bazhangFlip2405, best to depart.09:13
MyrttiFlip2405: hold on09:13
Flip2405:) okay well can i atleast go to the support i changed it09:13
MyrttiFlip2405: I'll remove your banforward now09:13
MyrttiFlip2405: sorry, I'm on mobile dialup at my moms now and my phone spontaneously booted just when I was about to take the banforward off09:13
Flip2405Np man09:14
bazhangerr lady09:14
Flip2405Np friend :)09:14
Flip2405tyvm09:15
Flip2405cya09:15
MyrttiFlip2405: try to join #ubuntu now09:15
Flip2405it worked09:15
Flip2405cya09:15
gnomefreakisnt .c a c header file09:15
bazhangseems kindofabuzz was PM'ing another helper after he left here with some foulness09:15
Myrttiisnt .h a c header file09:15
Myrtti.c can be pretty much anything done with c09:15
gnomefreakah good point 09:16
bazhangcursing him out graphically09:16
Myrttignomefreak: wanna hear the funny part?09:16
MyrttiI've never ever written a line of c09:16
gnomefreakbazhang: tell the victum to complain in here so its logged09:16
bazhanggnomefreak, will do09:16
gnomefreakMyrtti: C isnt too bad just long drug out 09:16
bazhanghave told him to do so09:17
gnomefreakMyrtti: concider yourself lucky i know alot of people that hate it but that was my first language09:17
bazhanghi soundray ; sorry he did that09:17
gnomefreakbazhang: soundray is the guy?09:17
bazhanggnomefreak, the one who got cursed yes09:18
gnomefreakif so please warn the other user maybe remove him, soundray is a very big helper for a very long time09:18
Myrttignomefreak: I'm one of the one's whose first language was java...09:18
bazhanggnomefreak, he is banned for two days; extend it?09:18
gnomefreakMyrtti: i dropped out of java class :)09:18
bazhangsoundray, he cursed you out?09:19
gnomefreak2 days is fine for now, he needs to understand running his mouth will not be tolerated 09:19
soundraykindofabuzz saw fit to send me a pm saying "You little bitch, you called ops on me"09:19
gnomefreakhmmm clicking the x doesnt close the app :(09:19
gnomefreaksend him here everyone leave and take logging bots with you :)09:20
bazhangthanks soundray, and sorry he did that09:20
* gnomefreak wonder what he does next09:21
soundrayNot to worry, bazhang, thanks for your help.09:21
gnomefreaksoundray: if it happens again let me know please09:21
bazhangsoundray, thanks for all your help :)09:21
Myrttisoundray: how many minutes ago he pm'd you?09:22
soundrayMyrtti: must be about 10 minutes now09:22
bazhangwell after he left here09:23
gnomefreaki would say an op pm him telling him to stop but that might full him even more09:23
Myrttias it's 1123 now, and he left here at 1100 sharpish...09:23
MyrttiI'd say drop an extra day on him for that09:23
gnomefreakmake it 3?09:23
bazhangokay Myrtti 09:23
bazhangsee what he says in two days time and then at least one more day09:24
Myrttiit's one thing to give stupid advice and to curse09:24
bazhangaggression against several of the best helpers though09:24
gnomefreakthis is the same rmrf guy?09:24
bazhangyes gnomefreak 09:24
gnomefreakhe damn sure knew what he was doing than not a doubt in my mind09:25
bazhangoh for sure09:25
* gnomefreak was on reboot when he did it so i wasnt positive now i am09:25
bazhangI've got to go; work :(09:25
Myrttinot understanding what you've done stupidly after being told and agression towards people advicing you...09:26
Myrttithat just sort of...09:26
Myrttiproves that you're not only giving stupid advice09:26
gnomefreakhes a moron 09:26
elkbuntuwe're not allowed to say that anymore :(09:27
bazhangsee you later folks09:27
gnomefreakoh wait i cant well i jsut did09:27
Myrttielkbuntu: \o/ I didn't say it :-D09:27
Myrttijust implemented it09:27
elkbuntuhehe09:27
gnomefreakelkbuntu: eh its true 09:27
Myrtti:-D09:27
elkbuntugnomefreak, it is. yes. but we as ops are not allowed to say stuff which $non_offensive_word_meaning_trolls might get upset at09:28
elkbuntuyes, this makes it *really* hard to do our jobs. talk to the CC about this.09:28
Myrttinewspeak09:29
gnomefreakelkbuntu: i was at meeting and honestly if he didnt do half of what he did within 15 minutes i wouldnt have said it. if someone brings me up infront of CC ill bring logs09:29
elkbuntugnomefreak, doesnt matter. ops have about as many rights are parents do.09:30
gnomefreakbut i will try to be nice from now on ;) but rmrf is NO excuse for anything IMHO09:30
gnomefreaki can beat the users?09:30
gnomefreakoh wait uonly if under 5 :(09:30
gnomefreakonly*09:30
elkbuntueh? what crazy place do you live where corporal punishment is still valid?09:31
gnomefreakUSA09:31
elkbuntugeez. you're lucky09:31
elkbuntuparents get charged and sued in australia :(09:31
gnomefreakdepending on how you define that. i can hit my kids but kids now a days will call the cops 09:31
gnomefreakelkbuntu: so do we but i dont think one case has gotten anywhere in the high courts09:32
elkbuntugnomefreak, the CC is way more kid sympathetic than the court system09:32
elkbuntuthey're so scared that someone who makes physical threats might stop using ubuntu that they forsake the dozens that the bully scares away09:33
gnomefreakwell the way i see if 5 people typed that command in it makes everyone look bad so i have every right to be pissed off IMHO it doesnt happen often but it does happen to everyone09:34
elkbuntuunless it's an op who has been abused all day by users and makes a freudian slip09:34
elkbuntuthen the op is hauled09:34
MyrttiI'm hapy the speach detection of Finnish language is so poor09:35
Myrttihappy, even09:35
Myrttiif you folks knew how much and often I curse in real life...09:36
* gnomefreak tried not to but depends what happens :)09:36
gnomefreaks/moron/something-else09:37
Myrttiwhen I was 8 I attended a summer camp where the 12-y-o's taught me how to curse09:37
gnomefreaki remember that age my father kicked my ass so bad09:38
gnomefreakdont ever say some of those phrases towards your father :(09:38
elkbuntubottom line is. we're expected to be superhuman. we're not allowed to vent. we're not allowed to slip.09:42
Myrtti/me pokes Tm_T 09:45
Tm_TMyrtti: yes?09:46
Myrttiremember that one channel that we fooled with earlier09:47
gnomefreakunderstood but while we have to be that way than why cant we hold users responsable for thier actions? this is going on the rules that were made while i was gone about not banning trolls or was it being more lenant with them09:47
Myrttithe one with /mode +a ;-)09:47
Tm_TMyrtti: yes?09:47
Myrtti/me tries to create a !-channel, fails09:47
Tm_T /j !!channel ?09:48
Myrttino such channel09:48
Tm_TMyrtti: in what network? freenode doesn't support those IIRC09:48
Myrttidamn09:49
gnomefreakwhen was ! added for channels09:49
Myrttiit would've been a perfect solution09:49
Tm_Tgnomefreak: its special thing, IRCnet09:50
Myrtti!vent-your-frustration with mode +a09:50
ubottuMyrtti: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)09:50
Tm_Thaha09:51
gnomefreakwe had a channel but while i was gone it was abandoned/unregistered09:51
MyrttiI could be a bofh09:51
Myrttignomefreak: with mode +a ?09:51
Myrtti:->09:51
gnomefreak+i for sure i dont remember if +a  what is +a09:51
Myrtti"Marks the channel to use anonymous conversations. All conversations, and people joining/parting are viewed all from 'anonymous!anonymous@anonymous'. Users quitting are seen as users parting the channel with no reason. "09:51
gnomefreakAH09:52
gnomefreakoops09:52
Tm_Twell, its not totally anonymous09:52
MyrttiI've got high ethics. I'd make sure it would be only for anonymous venting, ie, you could curse and swear and vent as long as you don't mention any particular nicks09:53
Myrttiif rules were breached, I'd empty the channel and keep it that way for $duration09:53
Tm_Thttp://www.tm-travolta.net/pics/anonyymius_huipussaan.png09:53
Tm_Theh09:53
Myrttiie. you could say "**** that was a total ****** person"09:55
Myrttibut not "**** $nick was a total ***** person"09:55
Tm_T:((09:55
Myrtti#ubuntu-ops-anonymous09:55
Myrtti"hi, my name is anonymous and I'm an ubuntu op"09:55
Tm_Tcan I do /voice $nick ?09:55
Myrtti"hi anonymous"09:55
Tm_T;-P09:56
gnomefreakbug 22227710:03
ubottuLaunchpad bug 222277 in xorg "Firefox 3 b5 crashes xorg when loading ubuntuguide.org in ubuntu 8.04 with compiz enabled (dup-of: 212648)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22227710:03
ubottuLaunchpad bug 212648 in linux-restricted-modules-envy-2.6.24 "[nvidia-new, hardy] certain websites in firefox causes X restart due to lack of wfb symlink" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21264810:03
gnomefreakyay i think i found it :)10:05
Myrttiwfb?10:06
gnomefreaki bug that i gave to timo i lost it and needded it10:09
gnomefreakbe back in a few10:10
ikoniagnomefreak: give me a nudge when your back please10:38
gnomefreakim here10:38
ikoniaare you in +1 ?10:38
gnomefreaksorry just looking at bugs10:38
gnomefreakyes10:38
ikoniauno momento10:39
gnomefreakk10:39
gnomefreakhes still not here10:47
* gnomefreak goes to look for someones email since i cant find him here lately :(10:48
ubottuFloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join)11:14
fdeI'm unsure whether this is the right place, or if #ubuntu-irc is more appropriate, but could someone please change the bot's 'sound' factoid to reflect pulseaudio changes...11:41
Seeker`!sound11:42
ubottuIf you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP311:42
fdeCurrently it states to set it to ALSA only, but there is no dmix anymore, so that isn't what the user wants in any case.11:42
Seeker`fde: type !sound is (what you feel the replacement should be)11:43
fdeIf you set it to ALSA by itself, without dmix enabled, you can only get sound from one device at a time, and some apps fight for control of /dev/dsp so others never get a turn.11:43
fdeSeeker`: There is a Pulse Audio selection in System > Preferences > Sound 11:44
fdeubottu: no sound is If you're having problems with sound, first ensure PulseAudio is selected in System > Preferences > Sound, if that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP311:46
ubottuIn #ubuntu-ops, fde said: ubottu: no sound is If you're having problems with sound, first ensure PulseAudio is selected in System > Preferences > Sound, if that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP311:46
fdeI guess ubottu doesn't take the same commands as dpkg... heh11:47
fdeActually, the dmix part shouldn't be there at all11:47
fde!sound is If you're having problems with sound, first ensure PulseAudio is selected in System > Preferences > Sound, if that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTFor playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3roubleshooting - 11:48
ubottufde: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)11:48
fdeSee, that's why I always ask11:48
fdeI guess it messaged people that _can_ change it though... thanks  :)11:49
fdeubottu: no sound is If you're having problems with sound, first ensure PulseAudio is selected in System > Preferences > Sound, if that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3  (basically just taking out all references to ALSA/dmix in favor of Pulse, causes too many issues, if it's not working with Pulse, it's a bug)11:51
ubottuIn #ubuntu-ops, fde said: ubottu: no sound is If you're having problems with sound, first ensure PulseAudio is selected in System > Preferences > Sound, if that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3  (basically just taking out all references to ALSA/dmix in favor of Pulse, causes too many issues, if it's not working wi11:51
* fde kicks the bot11:51
fdeI'm tired though, I need sleep11:51
Seeker`fde: why are you kicking the bot?11:51
jussi01fde: that is the response the bot should give11:52
fdeSeeker`: It's being bad! heh... it cuz it off what I intended to say to people in power11:52
fdecuz it cut off*11:52
elkbuntu...11:55
elkbuntumneptok, have you been sharing your waterbottle with the other kids again?11:55
fdeI just thought of something... the change I requested is only applicable to Hardy... 11:58
fdeMaybe there should be soundhardy ... or sound should be for hardy and going forward... and there should be a soundold with the current version?11:58
fdeBut yeah, currently, if it doesn't work with Pulse, it's a bug that should be filed... so that should be reflected somewhere... else you get to try to explain that it's not applicable to hardy, and why, and THEN help, and users don't care about such details.12:00
fdeI'm going to bed though  :)12:00
Hobbseeelkbuntu: of course, the real solution is to just prohibit $non_offensive_word_meaning_trolls from attending the meetings.12:04
Hobbseeelkbuntu: they certainly never bothered to respond to emails, at least, to all who were CC'd.12:04
Hobbseeeven if they did, others would have time to look up whether they were right, or on crack.  *g*12:05
Hobbseeor to take a step back, and look at how we govern the channels, which would include some of mneptok's ideas.12:06
elkbuntuHobbsee, if response and attention to mails is a prereq for meetings, then i think certain members of the CC would have been prohibited last week12:06
Hobbseeelkbuntu: sure, but they weren't making the complaint.12:07
elkbuntunot to mention, we're already told we govern too harshly, and are already pressured to be kinder to troublemakers.12:07
Hobbseethey mentioned nothing about newbies, though.12:08
* Seeker` wonders what is going on12:10
HobbseeSeeker`: the rmrf troll earlier, etc.12:11
Seeker`what meetings are you talking about12:16
Hobbseethe CC meeting.12:18
* Hobbsee pulls Seeker` out from under his rock.12:18
bazhangthe rmrf fellow was dealt with too harshly? is that really in question?12:18
* jussi01 takes the rock and drops it on Seeker` :P12:19
Hobbseebazhang: unsure.  the CC thought that $non_offensive_word_meaning_trolls were dealt with too harshly, and seeing as that guy counts as one...12:19
Hobbseeit wouldn't be unheard of12:19
Seeker`:(12:19
Hobbseejussi01: careful!  you'll crush him!12:20
Hobbseejussi01: just imagine what the CC would say to that!12:20
jussi01hehe12:20
Hobbseealthough, maybe not.  it would class as a death threat, i guess.12:20
bazhangif that was too harsh after all that he did, then the channel is essentially handed over to those that seek to disrupt it12:20
Hobbseebazhang: ahhh, you're new to this.  the politics of the past few months have been looking at exactly that.12:21
Hobbseebazhang: which is why seveas and such quit.12:21
Seeker`I remember the good old days, when you could call a troll a troll, and ban then12:21
Seeker`s/then/them12:21
Seeker`:P12:21
jussi01hehe12:22
bazhangHobbsee, may as well fold up #ubuntu channels if that is the case12:22
jussi01Please, can we leave this one again, im tired of it... :/12:23
Hobbseebazhang: or leave them in the control of people who *do* believe that that's the right way to moderate.12:23
bazhangsorry jussi01 ; never heard it before, I will stop now12:23
jussi01sniff12:24
* bazhang hands jussi01 a tissue12:24
elkbuntujussi01, as much as it hurts, it cannot and will not go away12:24
Hobbsee++12:25
Hobbseeelkbuntu: what, you mean that sweeping things under the carpet doesn't work?12:25
jussi01elkbuntu: true, however I continually hear/see exactly the same things repeated over and over again, and to me its not going anywhere. thats my real problem. 12:25
elkbuntujussi01, we have no way to take things anywhere. if we do we're either incompetent or harrassing.12:27
elkbunturepeat cycle.12:27
jussi01sigh...12:28
jussi01:(12:28
jussi01elkbuntu: I understand your point. :(12:28
* elkbuntu needs icecream12:29
elkbuntubrb12:29
Seeker`it'll end up with the same thing that is happening with kids in the UK: Noone (not even the police) have any power to do anything about them, in case they are "hurt" or "insulted", so they just run wild12:29
Seeker`elkbuntu: good idea12:29
elkbuntuSeeker`, pretty much12:36
elkbuntuas i said before, we've about as much stance as a parent12:37
elkbuntuit's all our fault when the channels turn to feces, but we're not allowed to do a thing to stop it12:37
bazhangexcept parents are not volunteers12:37
elkbuntubazhang, they volunteered when they did the deed12:37
bazhangoof12:38
* jussi01 goes off to make an #ubuntu-ops-politics channel...12:38
bazhanghaha12:38
elkbuntuheh12:38
* jussi01 sighs at the guy looking for browsers "like internet explorer"...12:42
Picijussi01: Really? My reaction was more of a scream.12:42
jussi01Pici: hehe, Im to tired to scream12:42
Pici"Linux doesnt have any browsers that crappy, sorry"12:43
jussi01bwahahah12:43
elkbunturofl12:45
Seeker`I believe parents are still allowed to smack kids in the UK12:46
ikoniaSeeker`: a news report I saw last week suggested smacking = illegal as of this year12:53
elkbuntuif not, grounds for child abuse investigations and defamations12:55
Seeker`wtf13:00
bazhangjrib I tried your new and improved warning; it worked like a charm :)13:00
Seeker`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smacking#Legal_situation13:01
* Pici smacks Seeker` 13:01
Seeker`IMO there is nothing wrong with smacking kids that misbehave - as long as it is done "reasonably" (i.e. only using hands, not hard enough to leave a mark / bruise, not done excessively)13:02
bazhangphonebook?13:02
Seeker`bazhang: ?13:02
jribbazhang: good to hear13:03
bazhangleaves no marks :)13:03
jribmy parents used a wooden spoon13:03
bazhanghaha13:03
Seeker`bazhang: I would hope you dont have a phonebook for a hand13:03
bazhangthat *would* make typing a bit tedious13:03
Seeker`just a little13:03
Seeker`I was smacked as a kid, and I'm fine *twitch*13:04
ikoniaa collegue of mine went to a catholic school, he (like me) is left handed, apprantly, it's the "devils" hands, and every time he'd done something with his left hand, eat, drink, write, etc the nuns would smack his hands with a thick ruler, 13:05
ikoniahe is now ambidexterous13:05
elkbuntuSeeker`, i'd challenge that everyone in this channel received corporal punishment13:05
ikoniaI certainly got a smack in my youth13:05
elkbuntuanyone who didnt is clearly a kiddie ;)13:05
elkbuntuikonia, i gather you were never subjected to church?13:07
* Seeker` is left handed13:08
Hobbseesince when does church smack people?13:08
elkbuntuHobbsee, yeah, too kind. lets leave this now i think.13:08
* Hobbsee hasn't been to such a one, but OK.13:09
ikoniaHobbsee: few years ago now13:09
elkbuntuHobbsee, um, you missed my point. never mind.13:09
ikoniaelkbuntu: nope, not a religious family, his tale was quite shocking to me13:11
Seeker`ikonia: I guess that this was from the time when corporal punishment was allowed in all schools?13:12
bazhanglefties unite!13:13
* jussi01 is getting his new pet on thursday :D13:14
jussi01(just to be a little more ot)13:14
elkbuntukitteh?13:14
jussi01nope...13:14
elkbuntuyeah, this is a little offtopic13:14
elkbuntupuppeh?13:15
jussi01its an "unusual" pet :D13:15
elkbuntuooh13:15
elkbuntuturtle?!13:15
ikoniaSeeker`: yes, 13:15
* jussi01 goes to grab a photo13:15
Picijussi01: armadillo 13:15
Seeker`when I was young, the number of left handed people was roughly 10%. apparently it is closer to 50% now, as people aren't forced to use their right hands to write any more13:15
elkbuntuikonia, is your irssi playing up again?13:16
jussi01here he is: http://imagebin.ca/view/6sQ7bW.html13:16
jussi01:D13:16
ikoniaelkbuntu: a little yes, but I think I've found the fixes13:16
elkbuntuSeeker`, left handedness is a genetic recessive trait. it's not likely to be anything less than 25%13:16
Picijussi01: Hedgehog?13:16
elkbuntuer, anything more*13:17
jussi01Pici: yeps :)13:17
Picijussi01: cute13:17
jussi01:D13:17
* jussi01 is smiling from ear to ear :D13:17
Seeker`elkbuntu: Both my parents are right handed, both me and my brother are left handed, so it is possible, even if it is unlikely13:18
elkbuntuSeeker`, that's a statistically redundant number to base the trend on.13:19
PiciGregor Mendel13:20
elkbuntuindeed13:20
elkbuntualthough they're pretty certain he fudged the results to get his message across, as he also had what would have been an inaccurate number to derive the conclusion from.13:21
jdongyeah he definitely fudged the numbers *AND* did an exhaustive search.14:08
jdongthe traits he chose to document were the ONLY traits of pea plants that follow mendelian genetics14:08
bazhangpoopuser's ident family friendly?14:23
elkbuntuquite. sane and sensible, no.14:24
bazhangnot his nick-->the ident is handjob14:24
Myrttiborderline case14:25
elkbuntuyeah14:29
PiciEh, I wouldnt go out of the way to ask him to change it.  14:30
elkbuntuhowever, suggesting a change of ident for future uses of the ubuntu namespace should catalyse them either one way or the other.14:30
elkbuntuwe're told to catalyse. nobody says which way.14:30
bazhangGoos-fraba..14:34
Picieh?14:34
bazhanganger management (movie)14:35
* Pici cleans out some accidental factoids14:56
Pici!idiot14:57
Pici!lag14:58
ubottusee mirror14:58
ubottuYou have lag, I don't have lag14:58
bazhangubottu why?14:59
ubottuFactoid why? not found14:59
bazhanghmm turned off14:59
Pici!why15:00
ubottuBecause.15:00
bazhangused to be a bit funnier15:00
elkbuntuit needs a response randomiser15:03
elkbuntuwe could get it to argue like a toddler15:03
elkbuntu@login15:04
ubottuelkbuntu: The operation succeeded.15:04
elkbuntuyay!15:04
Pici!redmond15:04
ubotturedmond is where bad software is born15:04
elkbuntuno, why is Why not?15:04
elkbuntu:(15:04
elkbuntu!no, why is Why not?15:05
ubottuI know nothing about why yet, elkbuntu15:05
* elkbuntu raises an eyebrow15:05
Picielkbuntu: I moved it to be an #ubuntu-offtopic factoid only.15:05
elkbuntuoh.15:05
ikonia!redmond's not really cool15:05
ubottuikonia: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)15:05
ikoniaseems likley to provoke response like !vista15:06
elkbuntuyeah. it's not like every single piece of software from the geographical location of 'redmond' is bad either15:07
elkbuntu!botsnack15:07
ubottuYum! Err, I mean, APT!15:07
elkbuntu!opsnack15:07
ubottuChocolate!  And Peanuts!15:07
elkbuntu!usersnack15:08
ubottuAre peanut husks ok? The ops ate the chocolates and peanuts already...15:08
elkbuntu:)15:08
Pici!lolops15:08
ubottuTeh lolops r in ur chanelz, wotchin u mizbehav15:08
elkbuntu!no, redmond is a city in the state of Washington in the United States. Nothing else interesting about it. Seriously, nothing. 15:11
ubottuI'll remember that elkbuntu15:11
Pici:)15:11
elkbuntuhow's that, ikonia? :)15:11
ikoniabetter15:14
ikoniaas least it doesn't slate anyone15:14
elkbuntuyeah. i'd rather have something and not have every idiot trying to be the person to 'come up' with 'something funny'15:15
wgrant!no redmond is something funny15:15
ubottuIn #ubuntu-ops, wgrant said: !no redmond is something funny15:15
elkbuntuhar.15:16
elkbuntu!no, redmond is not relevent to my interests.15:18
ubottuI'll remember that elkbuntu15:18
* elkbuntu grins15:18
elkbuntuthat better still?15:18
ikoniaI'd remove it from the db 15:19
elkbuntui'd rather not have it blank, unless you want people trying to be the 'champion' to add it15:20
elkbuntuanyway, im off to bed. peace15:22
tonyyarussohmm, what happens if you say "is <reply>"15:22
elkbuntu!tonyyarusso is <reply>15:23
ubottuI'll remember that, elkbuntu15:23
elkbuntu!tonyyarusso15:23
* elkbuntu waits for the bot to die15:23
elkbuntu!test15:23
ubottuFailed15:23
wgrantSIGSEGV15:23
elkbuntunice, however, now if someone really wants the reaction we'll have instead:15:24
elkbuntu!tonyyarusso15:24
elkbuntu!tonyyarusso15:24
elkbuntu...15:24
elkbuntu!no, tonyyarusso is weird.15:24
ubottuplease see above15:24
elkbuntu:(15:24
elkbuntu!no, tonyyarusso is weird.15:25
ubottuI'll remember that elkbuntu15:25
Pici!tonyyarusso15:25
ubottutonyyarusso is weird.15:25
tonyyarussohahaha15:25
Pici!elkbuntu15:25
ubottuelkbuntu is cute15:25
wgrant!pici15:25
ubottupici is stuck in a factoid factory! Send help!15:25
elkbuntu!ompaul15:26
ubottuompaul is well ompaul, don't get me started about that guy15:26
elkbuntu!seveas15:26
ubottuFactoid seveas not found15:26
elkbuntu:(15:26
elkbuntureally :(15:26
tonyyarussoHeck, that could actually be his factoid now.15:26
elkbuntu!no, seveas is :(15:26
ubottuI know nothing about seveas yet, elkbuntu15:26
elkbuntu!seveas is <reply>:(15:27
ubottuBut seveas already means something else!15:27
Pici404 seveas not found15:27
Pici!seveas15:27
ubottuFactoid seveas not found15:27
elkbuntuyou are a stupid stupid bot15:27
Pici!-seveas15:27
elkbuntu!seveas is <reply> :(15:27
Pici!no seveas is <reply> :(15:27
ubottuI know nothing about seveas yet, Pici15:27
ikoniais it picking : as EOL15:27
elkbuntudoing the no before it was added is what trips it up15:27
elkbuntu!seveas is <reply> \:(15:28
ubottuBut seveas already means something else!15:28
tonyyarussoanyone good with CSS?  I need to figure out what conditional I need for IE(7) (works in FF)15:28
Pici!seveas15:28
ubottu:(15:28
elkbuntu:D15:28
elkbuntubut :(15:28
PiciIt was messing up because !seveas used to point to his repo info.15:28
PiciHad to !unforget first15:28
elkbuntuah15:28
elkbuntu!hobbsee15:29
ubottuI phear the stick so shhhhh15:29
* Hobbsee attacks elkbuntu with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!™15:29
* elkbuntu cheers15:29
* wgrant throws ubotu at Hobbsee15:29
* Hobbsee eats it15:30
Pici:o15:30
Seeker`-16:03:10- ~s~ Irssi: Starting query in freenode with arzu88316:07
Seeker`-16:03:10- arzu883: çok tatlýyým tadýma bakmak istersen gel :)) tatli_buse1716:07
Seeker`arzu833 is in #ubuntu16:07
jdongno idea what it says, but there's a :) so it must be benign.16:09
Pici#kubuntu-kde4 is still separate from #kubuntu?16:10
tonyyarussoyes16:13
Picihrm16:13
=== Seeker`_ is now known as Seeker`
Pici..16:31
Seeker`sorry about that16:31
PiciYou should be.16:32
jussi01Pici: the plan is that #kubuntu-kde4 will disappear with the release of intrepid16:32
Picijussi01: Ah, I thought that was the plan for Hardy.16:32
jussi01Pici: :)16:33
Picibazhang: you're too quick today 16:57
bazhangPici, his language was abusive16:58
Picibazhang: no, I mean faster than me ;)16:58
bazhangoh haha16:58
Seeker`Pici wants to ban some people :P16:58
Hobbseeyou bad people.17:00
Hobbseeyou'll be catalysed soon, on the evils of banning.17:00
* Seeker` facedesks, "I really dont like the word catalyse in this context"17:02
Hobbseehaha17:02
Hobbsees/catalyse/$non_offensive_word_for_catalyse/17:02
* jussi01 hands Pici the long pointy stick of doom17:03
Seeker`mediate is much better17:03
* Hobbsee sues jussi01 for copyright infringement17:03
Seeker`catalyse sounds too much like a buzzword17:03
PiciSounds like a chemistry experiment.17:03
HobbseeSeeker`: mediation requires changes from both parties, doesn't it?17:03
jussi01Hobbsee: you can, I stole the stick from you to give to him17:04
Seeker`Hobbsee: It doesn't _require_ changes from both sides17:04
HobbseeSeeker`: just usually involves it?17:04
Seeker`Hobbsee: It usually involves two or more people coming to some mutual agreement17:05
Seeker`In this case, the channel ops and the $not_a_troll17:06
jussi01Why do I always read mediate as meditate ?17:06
Hobbseeright17:07
Seeker`it is possible that the ops will conceed that the users behaviour was acceptable, and it is possible the user will accept they are wrong17:07
ubottusoundray called the ops in #ubuntu (rso swearing)17:52
PiciChanserv.py doesnt give any feedback when you op/kick/whatever people, right?19:02
Picii.e. it just does it?19:03
Picinevermind19:08
Pici/cs o,d,v,dv are all in Chanserv.pl now, working on the other stuff now.19:12
ompaulpl or py?19:17
Picipl, for irssi19:17
ompaulack19:17
ubottudanbhfive called the ops in #ubuntu (frawfraw)19:53
MyrttiTm_T: ping19:54
naliothlovely19:55
ubottupraet called the ops in #ubuntu (mob)19:56
MyrttiTm_T: a91-155-238-61.elisa-laajakaista.fi19:56
naliothklined19:56
Tm_TMyrtti: ?20:02
naliothTm_T: there was a troublemaking ban evader from that IP ( which was klined )20:02
Tm_Tah ok20:02
PiciWhy are we letting Tm_T know specifically?20:02
MyrttiPici: because I take it as a personal insult if someone from .fi is being an ass20:03
Myrttiand because I'm not active in -fi20:03
Myrttisorry.20:03
PiciMyrtti: If I felt like that about americans, I'd feel pretty insulted.20:03
MyrttiPici: Finland is not only the native country of ssh, irc and linxu, but also a country with 5+ million inhabitans20:04
Myrttiinhabitants20:04
Myrttilinux, even20:04
Myrttidamn. need sleep20:04
Picinalioth: same person was just back20:15
naliothwe've got problems  :(20:17
Picifreenode?20:17
Pici:(20:17
naliothno, us20:18
* nalioth was in #ubuntu-ops last time he looked20:18
nalioththat finnish troll keeps recycling his modem20:18
naliothcan anyone /who #ubuntu for a91-155-*.elisa-laajakaista.fi    ?20:19
Picihuh? The person was at a91-155-238-61.elisa-laajakaista.fi for each event20:21
naliothPici: no, i've klined two addresses so far from there20:22
Picianon@20:23
Picianon@20:23
Picin=anon@a91-155-238-61.elisa-laajakaista.fi = mob, frawfraw, and blakie according to my /whoising anyway20:23
jussi01sigh20:23
* jussi01 hugs Myrtti, I feel your pain. :/20:24
* Pici wishes more people here were nice20:25
jussi01hrm,  he left, but in #ubuntu-mobile (might be one to watch for)20:29
jussi01[21:59:44] <chemboy> i like fucking hot and sexy girls!!!!!!!!! :'(20:29
jussi01[21:59:47] <-- chemboy (n=chemboy@6532223hfc07.tampabay.res.rr.com) has left #ubuntu-mobile20:29
jussi01christel: if you are around, could do with your help in #ubuntu-artwork 20:41
jussi01we have a troll in there: emotionalwhitema: WANTED ! single white female 17 to 70 with red hair(blonde will do) a high I.Q. and good morals----freckles are a plus20:42
jussi01Ok, he got bored and left, but probably worth keeping an eye out for. 20:43
gnomefreakjussi01: i might now an op in htere20:44
gnomefreakthere20:44
gnomefreakhes just not answering20:44
jussi01gnomefreak: I just checked the access list ;)20:45
gnomefreakjussi01: is asac on it?20:45
jussi01no20:45
jussi01only seveas, troy_s christe.l and kwii20:46
gnomefreakah ok20:46
jussi01funny, i remember that nick from a while back.20:47
naliothjussi01: why are you asking for c h r i s t e l?20:56
jussi01nalioth: she is on the access list for that chan...20:56
naliothjussi01: the irc council has access in _all_ official Ubuntu community channels20:56
jussi01nalioth: how so? the access list had 4 people on it as I listed earlier20:57
naliothjussi01: Group Contacts have de facto access in any channel their group covers20:58
naliothyou are far more likely to get me than c h r i s t e l20:58
jussi01nalioth: ok. so what was the correct way of dealing with that? Do you have access in there?20:58
naliothand it just puts more clutter on her radar ( that is not her concern )20:58
naliothjussi01: you ask in here20:58
naliothor note there is a problem in here20:59
naliothjdub is not familiar with our policies and put c h r i s t e l on the ACL for some weird reason20:59
jussi01ok20:59
jussi01nalioth: ok, so if need be, you can actually do something about situations like this?21:02
gnomefreakwhy am i getting messe dup pms :(21:04
gnomefreakmessed up even21:05
jussi01gnomefreak: like?21:05
gnomefreakhld on21:05
gnomefreak16:04 <Pelin_ankara> irem_34ist h 0 t �m Ac�yor K`a`m`e`r`a`d`a21:05
gnomefreakhes looking at being removed from #ubuntu if i find out its a bot21:06
jussi01nalioth: ^21:06
gnomefreakhe got hit21:06
gnomefreakkline21:06
jussi01gnomefreak: we have been calling st*ff on those for a while21:07
gnomefreakah21:07
* gnomefreak just now getting a spare minute to sit21:07
naliothjussi01: situations such as #ubuntu-artwork should be mentioned in here so it can be noted21:11
jussi01nalioth: sure. 21:11
gnomefreakompaul: you around?21:47
ompaulgnomefreak, only in spirit21:47
ompaul:)21:47
gnomefreakompaul: do you still have that mutt guide?21:48
ompaulI'll see if I can find it for ya21:48
gnomefreakthanks i redid bookmarks and cant find it :(21:48
ompaulhttp://www.linux.ie/articles/tutorials/mutt.php21:48
ompaulthat is one version 21:48
gnomefreakthanks21:49
ompaulyou can search for brian and work out if there is a later one21:49
gnomefreakyep thanks just need one to get me set up :)21:50
ubottufilthpig called the ops in #ubuntu ()22:01
mneptokspam subject: "set your wife on fire!"22:17
naliothmneptok: are you sure you weren't just a good role model?22:18
ubottuFloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (CTCP/NOTICE)22:19
tomawYou guys may wish to consider an extended duration of +R22:35
naliothas opposed to +r ?22:39
ubottuMrObvious called the ops in #ubuntu ()23:05
PriceChildAwwww ten98 gave me a heart in PM with our names in.23:13
naliothwon't keep him from riding the train23:14
PriceChildHave you found him a seat?23:15
naliothdoes he need one?23:15
ompaulall aboard thats goin aboard all ashore thats goin ashore ;-)23:16
PriceChildI think he wants to be klined.23:19
ompaulnalioth, blow the whistle :)23:20
PriceChildHe seems nice enough in PM, but quite insistent on putting across the message that he is trolling intentionally.23:20
ompaultell him that that behaviour is not welcome 23:20
mneptokexcept on DALnet23:21
mneptokwho will take all the users they can get.23:21
mneptok</inside_voice>23:21
ompaulhehe23:39

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