[00:07] <Myrtti> @login
[00:07] <Myrtti> !ntfs
[00:07] <Myrtti> !ntfs =~ s/ubotu/ubottu/
[00:07] <Myrtti> !ntfs
[00:08] <Myrtti> !ntfs =~ s/ubotu/ubottu/g
[00:08] <Myrtti> !ntfs =~ s/ubotu/ubottu/
[00:08] <Myrtti> !ntfs
[00:08] <Myrtti> !ntfs > bascule
[01:07] <Myrtti> [03:06] *** Flip2405 [n=dem0n@c-71-204-57-251.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit  ["Kage is a fucking retard im outtie"]
[01:13] <Myrtti> I tried to put a banforward to here
[01:16] <elkbuntu> bazhang noticed that twit yesterday too
[01:16] <Myrtti> that's exactly why I put a banforward on him
[01:17] <Myrtti> he should've been asked to change it, if so, then the banforward is in place, if not, then it's a sign u is too busy for us to note and remember to ask him to change his quit message
[02:46] <no0tic> why Lj.L has disappeared?
[03:56] <Madpilot> the last got k-lined...
[03:56] <Madpilot> idiot
[03:56] <Pici> It wasn't klined when he called ops
[03:57] <nalioth> there are no more automated klines
[03:57] <Madpilot> I know. ¨idiot" was for the D C C spammer, not the guy who called ops
[06:52] <bazhang> wow nice ident
[06:56] <Amaranth> !info mono
[06:56] <Amaranth> bleh
[06:56] <Madpilot> !find mono
[06:57] <Amaranth> it's a source package
[06:57] <Madpilot> bleh again
[06:57] <Madpilot> evidently under a different name than just ´mono´ in hardy
[06:57] <Amaranth> !info mono-common
[06:57] <Myrtti> !find sharp
[06:58] <Amaranth> see, "source: mono"
[06:58] <Amaranth> the bot doesn't do source packages :P
[06:58] <Amaranth> !info mono intrepid
[06:58] <Amaranth> err, duh
[06:58] <Amaranth> !info mono-common intrepid
[06:58] <Amaranth> whee
[07:01] <Myrtti> I swear to Gaia, if the doctors think I need to have my medication for longer than July, I'll happily eat them no matter they cost 1€ a day. This is horrible
[07:01] <Myrtti> I'll never ever forget to take my meds again
[07:01] <Myrtti> ;____;
[07:10] <bazhang> !coc
[07:13] <bazhang> gestapospank a family friendly nick?
[07:57]  * elkbuntu cuddles Myrtti
[07:58] <Amaranth> jdong: I need your l33t admin powers to make the desktop effects forum description not suck
[07:59] <Amaranth> It is fully buzzword compliant and information free
[08:02] <jussi01> Does anyone know if the is a planet ubuntu archive? ie. the blog posts that have dropped off the bottom of planet?
[08:04] <Amaranth> jussi01: the blogs of the people that are on there
[08:04] <elkbuntu> jussi01, archive.org? :Þ
[08:05] <jussi01> Amaranth: yeah, problem is I know hwat the blog post was about, it was on the last night, but I can for the life of me remeber the blogger...
[08:05] <Amaranth> jussi01: what was it about?
[08:05] <Amaranth> maybe we can help :)
[08:05] <jussi01> Ubuntu mobile image creation testing, in xephyr
[08:05] <Amaranth> my liferea history is longer than the planet ubuntu page :)
[08:06] <jussi01> had a nice ubuntu mobile screenshot on it.
[08:06] <Amaranth> jussio1: http://blog.omma.net/?p=8
[08:06] <Amaranth> Also, I hate your clone
[08:06] <Amaranth> :P
[08:06] <jussi01> Amaranth: you rock. thank you very much :)
[08:07] <jussi01> happy?
[08:07] <Amaranth> yes :)
[08:07] <Amaranth> xchat-gnome tabbing sucks and i got sick of patching it
[08:08] <jussi01> doesnt really matter, I get hilighted on both
[08:14] <gnomefreak> whos is it we talk to about removing a mailing list?
[08:14] <bazhang> wow bantracker is sweet :)
[08:14] <bazhang> especially the way you can add comments after the fact
[08:15] <Amaranth> People actually post comments in there? :P
[08:16] <jussi01> gnomefreak: I think thats elmo iirc
[08:16] <bazhang> haha
[08:16] <gnomefreak> jussi01: thanks
[08:16]  * jussi01 slaps Amaranth... 
[08:39] <jussi01> Amaranth: !! be nice... :P
[08:40] <Amaranth> jussi01: This is the same argument the automatix devs give me
[08:40] <Amaranth> They screw up, we should modify ubuntu to work around their screwups
[08:40] <jussi01> Amaranth: yeah, I know. :D
[08:50] <Amaranth> bazhang: No warning for that kind of thing, just get rid of them
[08:50] <bazhang> Amaranth, okay
[08:50] <Amaranth> what is the factoid to tell people to not run that command?
[08:50] <bazhang> !danger
[08:51] <bazhang> or it was that
[08:51] <bazhang> Amaranth, also ban?
[08:51] <Amaranth> bazhang: yeah
[08:52] <bazhang> you kicked him 
[08:52] <Amaranth> i did a ban too
[08:52] <bazhang> oh I see the ban now sorry
[08:52] <Amaranth> and then either the bots for antsy or he retaliated?
[08:53] <bazhang> you never give that command kindofabuzz 
[08:54] <bazhang> thanks Amaranth 
[08:54] <kindofabuzz> i'm sorry, not like many people knew what it was
[08:54] <bazhang> no excuse kindofabuzz 
[08:54] <kindofabuzz> sorry man
[08:54] <Amaranth> You know that command is bad, why even say it?
[08:54] <kindofabuzz> it will never happen again
[08:54] <bazhang> you were also overly aggressive towards a helper fde
[08:54] <kindofabuzz> it was a joke
[08:54] <bazhang> and warned several times not to be
[08:54] <kindofabuzz> i believe he was overly aggressive to me
[08:55] <jussi01> !joke
[08:55] <kindofabuzz> i apologize
[08:55] <bazhang> he was helping that user for some time and then you interjected
[08:55] <bazhang> and were asked to back off
[08:56] <bazhang> several times by several individuals
[08:56] <bazhang> and then you pasted that dangerous command
[08:57] <bazhang> !coc 
[08:57] <bazhang> please read that kindofabuzz 
[08:57] <kindofabuzz> i know i was wrong, once again sorry
[08:57] <bazhang> come back in a couple of days and we can talk again
[08:58] <kindofabuzz> here?
[08:58] <bazhang> yes
[08:58] <kindofabuzz> ok
[08:58] <bazhang> best not to idle here.
[08:59] <Myrtti> @login
[08:59] <Myrtti> !rmrf
[08:59] <Myrtti> !-danger
[08:59] <bazhang> i.e. kindofabuzz  best to depart now and come back in a couple of days
[08:59] <Myrtti> !rmrf/
[08:59] <kindofabuzz> ok 
[09:00] <Myrtti> !rmrf/ is <reply> foo
[09:00] <Myrtti> !no rmrf/ is <alias> danger
[09:00] <Myrtti> !rmrf/
[09:00] <bazhang> maybe add something like your system will be wiped
[09:01] <bazhang> just so they dont test it out
[09:01] <Myrtti> bazhang: there are plenty of other commands that are dangerous enough to be given !danger
[09:01] <bazhang> true Myrtti 
[09:03] <gnomefreak> add something like you will be banned on site for atleast $TIME?
[09:04] <gnomefreak> kind of save the user from asking why and trying to fight it?
[09:04] <bazhang> insta-perma-megaban
[09:04] <Myrtti> I wouldn't even ban them
[09:04] <Myrtti> most people who give rmrf/ don't know it's a no no
[09:05] <Myrtti> or understand it
[09:05] <Myrtti> a remove, banforward to here and explaining the matter
[09:05] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, indeed. i know one that starts with 'A' and ends with 'x'
[09:06] <bazhang> ax?
[09:06] <Myrtti> au-tah-mah-tex
[09:06] <bazhang> ps ax | grep
[09:06] <elkbuntu> heh
[09:06] <elkbuntu> that starts with 'p' :Þ
[09:06] <bazhang> though envy is now a restricted module
[09:06] <bazhang> hhaha
[09:07] <elkbuntu> thats because the envy guy had guts enough to accept what was crack about his application and work towards improving it
[09:07] <bazhang> bravo to him
[09:07] <Myrtti> I get a funny feeling when someone advices on the usage of dd if=/dev/random
[09:08] <Myrtti> or was it of...
[09:08] <Myrtti> can't remember
[09:08] <gnomefreak> i have a hard time believing that a user for now reason gives that command doesnt know what it means unless they are asking what does this do
[09:08] <gnomefreak> but just a random comment or telling user to run it they know damn well what it does
[09:08] <bazhang> he knew
[09:08] <gnomefreak> most do
[09:09] <Myrtti> gnomefreak: even still, I think it's a bit rash to ban them for days?
[09:09] <gnomefreak> for a day for a few hours thats why i stated $TIME
[09:09] <Myrtti> Flip2405: good day
[09:09]  * gnomefreak never said "for days"
[09:09] <Myrtti> Flip2405: you're on this channel instead of #ubuntu because of your quit message
[09:10] <Flip2405> Hello i was trying to get into linux development and i was wondering what language the .c exetension
[09:10] <Myrtti> Flip2405: I'm requesting you to please change it
[09:10] <Flip2405> opps
[09:10] <Flip2405> forgot about that sruy
[09:10] <Flip2405> okay
[09:10] <Flip2405> there ya go :) but
[09:11] <Flip2405> my question is simple so instead of putting me in a room full of spam can you please awnser :)
[09:12] <Flip2405> Myrtti
[09:12] <Flip2405> Hello
[09:12] <gnomefreak> Flip2405: this isnt a support channel. If you are asking a question how do you think its easy? if easy you wouldnt need to ask
[09:13] <bazhang> Flip2405, best to depart.
[09:13] <Myrtti> Flip2405: hold on
[09:13] <Flip2405> :) okay well can i atleast go to the support i changed it
[09:13] <Myrtti> Flip2405: I'll remove your banforward now
[09:13] <Myrtti> Flip2405: sorry, I'm on mobile dialup at my moms now and my phone spontaneously booted just when I was about to take the banforward off
[09:14] <Flip2405> Np man
[09:14] <bazhang> err lady
[09:14] <Flip2405> Np friend :)
[09:15] <Flip2405> tyvm
[09:15] <Flip2405> cya
[09:15] <Myrtti> Flip2405: try to join #ubuntu now
[09:15] <Flip2405> it worked
[09:15] <Flip2405> cya
[09:15] <gnomefreak> isnt .c a c header file
[09:15] <bazhang> seems kindofabuzz was PM'ing another helper after he left here with some foulness
[09:15] <Myrtti> isnt .h a c header file
[09:15] <Myrtti> .c can be pretty much anything done with c
[09:16] <gnomefreak> ah good point 
[09:16] <bazhang> cursing him out graphically
[09:16] <Myrtti> gnomefreak: wanna hear the funny part?
[09:16] <Myrtti> I've never ever written a line of c
[09:16] <gnomefreak> bazhang: tell the victum to complain in here so its logged
[09:16] <bazhang> gnomefreak, will do
[09:16] <gnomefreak> Myrtti: C isnt too bad just long drug out 
[09:17] <bazhang> have told him to do so
[09:17] <gnomefreak> Myrtti: concider yourself lucky i know alot of people that hate it but that was my first language
[09:17] <bazhang> hi soundray ; sorry he did that
[09:17] <gnomefreak> bazhang: soundray is the guy?
[09:18] <bazhang> gnomefreak, the one who got cursed yes
[09:18] <gnomefreak> if so please warn the other user maybe remove him, soundray is a very big helper for a very long time
[09:18] <Myrtti> gnomefreak: I'm one of the one's whose first language was java...
[09:18] <bazhang> gnomefreak, he is banned for two days; extend it?
[09:18] <gnomefreak> Myrtti: i dropped out of java class :)
[09:19] <bazhang> soundray, he cursed you out?
[09:19] <gnomefreak> 2 days is fine for now, he needs to understand running his mouth will not be tolerated 
[09:19] <soundray> kindofabuzz saw fit to send me a pm saying "You little bitch, you called ops on me"
[09:19] <gnomefreak> hmmm clicking the x doesnt close the app :(
[09:20] <gnomefreak> send him here everyone leave and take logging bots with you :)
[09:20] <bazhang> thanks soundray, and sorry he did that
[09:21]  * gnomefreak wonder what he does next
[09:21] <soundray> Not to worry, bazhang, thanks for your help.
[09:21] <gnomefreak> soundray: if it happens again let me know please
[09:21] <bazhang> soundray, thanks for all your help :)
[09:22] <Myrtti> soundray: how many minutes ago he pm'd you?
[09:22] <soundray> Myrtti: must be about 10 minutes now
[09:23] <bazhang> well after he left here
[09:23] <gnomefreak> i would say an op pm him telling him to stop but that might full him even more
[09:23] <Myrtti> as it's 1123 now, and he left here at 1100 sharpish...
[09:23] <Myrtti> I'd say drop an extra day on him for that
[09:23] <gnomefreak> make it 3?
[09:23] <bazhang> okay Myrtti 
[09:24] <bazhang> see what he says in two days time and then at least one more day
[09:24] <Myrtti> it's one thing to give stupid advice and to curse
[09:24] <bazhang> aggression against several of the best helpers though
[09:24] <gnomefreak> this is the same rmrf guy?
[09:24] <bazhang> yes gnomefreak 
[09:25] <gnomefreak> he damn sure knew what he was doing than not a doubt in my mind
[09:25] <bazhang> oh for sure
[09:25]  * gnomefreak was on reboot when he did it so i wasnt positive now i am
[09:25] <bazhang> I've got to go; work :(
[09:26] <Myrtti> not understanding what you've done stupidly after being told and agression towards people advicing you...
[09:26] <Myrtti> that just sort of...
[09:26] <Myrtti> proves that you're not only giving stupid advice
[09:26] <gnomefreak> hes a moron 
[09:27] <elkbuntu> we're not allowed to say that anymore :(
[09:27] <bazhang> see you later folks
[09:27] <gnomefreak> oh wait i cant well i jsut did
[09:27] <Myrtti> elkbuntu: \o/ I didn't say it :-D
[09:27] <Myrtti> just implemented it
[09:27] <elkbuntu> hehe
[09:27] <gnomefreak> elkbuntu: eh its true 
[09:27] <Myrtti> :-D
[09:28] <elkbuntu> gnomefreak, it is. yes. but we as ops are not allowed to say stuff which $non_offensive_word_meaning_trolls might get upset at
[09:28] <elkbuntu> yes, this makes it *really* hard to do our jobs. talk to the CC about this.
[09:29] <Myrtti> newspeak
[09:29] <gnomefreak> elkbuntu: i was at meeting and honestly if he didnt do half of what he did within 15 minutes i wouldnt have said it. if someone brings me up infront of CC ill bring logs
[09:30] <elkbuntu> gnomefreak, doesnt matter. ops have about as many rights are parents do.
[09:30] <gnomefreak> but i will try to be nice from now on ;) but rmrf is NO excuse for anything IMHO
[09:30] <gnomefreak> i can beat the users?
[09:30] <gnomefreak> oh wait uonly if under 5 :(
[09:30] <gnomefreak> only*
[09:31] <elkbuntu> eh? what crazy place do you live where corporal punishment is still valid?
[09:31] <gnomefreak> USA
[09:31] <elkbuntu> geez. you're lucky
[09:31] <elkbuntu> parents get charged and sued in australia :(
[09:31] <gnomefreak> depending on how you define that. i can hit my kids but kids now a days will call the cops 
[09:32] <gnomefreak> elkbuntu: so do we but i dont think one case has gotten anywhere in the high courts
[09:32] <elkbuntu> gnomefreak, the CC is way more kid sympathetic than the court system
[09:33] <elkbuntu> they're so scared that someone who makes physical threats might stop using ubuntu that they forsake the dozens that the bully scares away
[09:34] <gnomefreak> well the way i see if 5 people typed that command in it makes everyone look bad so i have every right to be pissed off IMHO it doesnt happen often but it does happen to everyone
[09:34] <elkbuntu> unless it's an op who has been abused all day by users and makes a freudian slip
[09:34] <elkbuntu> then the op is hauled
[09:35] <Myrtti> I'm hapy the speach detection of Finnish language is so poor
[09:35] <Myrtti> happy, even
[09:36] <Myrtti> if you folks knew how much and often I curse in real life...
[09:36]  * gnomefreak tried not to but depends what happens :)
[09:37] <gnomefreak> s/moron/something-else
[09:37] <Myrtti> when I was 8 I attended a summer camp where the 12-y-o's taught me how to curse
[09:38] <gnomefreak> i remember that age my father kicked my ass so bad
[09:38] <gnomefreak> dont ever say some of those phrases towards your father :(
[09:42] <elkbuntu> bottom line is. we're expected to be superhuman. we're not allowed to vent. we're not allowed to slip.
[09:45] <Myrtti> /me pokes Tm_T 
[09:46] <Tm_T> Myrtti: yes?
[09:47] <Myrtti> remember that one channel that we fooled with earlier
[09:47] <gnomefreak> understood but while we have to be that way than why cant we hold users responsable for thier actions? this is going on the rules that were made while i was gone about not banning trolls or was it being more lenant with them
[09:47] <Myrtti> the one with /mode +a ;-)
[09:47] <Tm_T> Myrtti: yes?
[09:47] <Myrtti> /me tries to create a !-channel, fails
[09:48] <Tm_T>  /j !!channel ?
[09:48] <Myrtti> no such channel
[09:48] <Tm_T> Myrtti: in what network? freenode doesn't support those IIRC
[09:49] <Myrtti> damn
[09:49] <gnomefreak> when was ! added for channels
[09:49] <Myrtti> it would've been a perfect solution
[09:50] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: its special thing, IRCnet
[09:50] <Myrtti> !vent-your-frustration with mode +a
[09:51] <Tm_T> haha
[09:51] <gnomefreak> we had a channel but while i was gone it was abandoned/unregistered
[09:51] <Myrtti> I could be a bofh
[09:51] <Myrtti> gnomefreak: with mode +a ?
[09:51] <Myrtti> :->
[09:51] <gnomefreak> +i for sure i dont remember if +a  what is +a
[09:51] <Myrtti> "Marks the channel to use anonymous conversations. All conversations, and people joining/parting are viewed all from 'anonymous!anonymous@anonymous'. Users quitting are seen as users parting the channel with no reason. "
[09:52] <gnomefreak> AH
[09:52] <gnomefreak> oops
[09:52] <Tm_T> well, its not totally anonymous
[09:53] <Myrtti> I've got high ethics. I'd make sure it would be only for anonymous venting, ie, you could curse and swear and vent as long as you don't mention any particular nicks
[09:53] <Myrtti> if rules were breached, I'd empty the channel and keep it that way for $duration
[09:53] <Tm_T> http://www.tm-travolta.net/pics/anonyymius_huipussaan.png
[09:53] <Tm_T> heh
[09:55] <Myrtti> ie. you could say "**** that was a total ****** person"
[09:55] <Myrtti> but not "**** $nick was a total ***** person"
[09:55] <Tm_T> :((
[09:55] <Myrtti> #ubuntu-ops-anonymous
[09:55] <Myrtti> "hi, my name is anonymous and I'm an ubuntu op"
[09:55] <Tm_T> can I do /voice $nick ?
[09:55] <Myrtti> "hi anonymous"
[09:56] <Tm_T> ;-P
[10:03] <gnomefreak> bug 222277
[10:05] <gnomefreak> yay i think i found it :)
[10:06] <Myrtti> wfb?
[10:09] <gnomefreak> i bug that i gave to timo i lost it and needded it
[10:10] <gnomefreak> be back in a few
[10:38] <ikonia> gnomefreak: give me a nudge when your back please
[10:38] <gnomefreak> im here
[10:38] <ikonia> are you in +1 ?
[10:38] <gnomefreak> sorry just looking at bugs
[10:38] <gnomefreak> yes
[10:39] <ikonia> uno momento
[10:39] <gnomefreak> k
[10:47] <gnomefreak> hes still not here
[10:48]  * gnomefreak goes to look for someones email since i cant find him here lately :(
[11:41] <fde> I'm unsure whether this is the right place, or if #ubuntu-irc is more appropriate, but could someone please change the bot's 'sound' factoid to reflect pulseaudio changes...
[11:42] <Seeker`> !sound
[11:42] <fde> Currently it states to set it to ALSA only, but there is no dmix anymore, so that isn't what the user wants in any case.
[11:43] <Seeker`> fde: type !sound is (what you feel the replacement should be)
[11:43] <fde> If you set it to ALSA by itself, without dmix enabled, you can only get sound from one device at a time, and some apps fight for control of /dev/dsp so others never get a turn.
[11:44] <fde> Seeker`: There is a Pulse Audio selection in System > Preferences > Sound 
[11:46] <fde> ubottu: no sound is If you're having problems with sound, first ensure PulseAudio is selected in System > Preferences > Sound, if that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[11:47] <fde> I guess ubottu doesn't take the same commands as dpkg... heh
[11:47] <fde> Actually, the dmix part shouldn't be there at all
[11:48] <fde> !sound is If you're having problems with sound, first ensure PulseAudio is selected in System > Preferences > Sound, if that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTFor playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3roubleshooting - 
[11:48] <fde> See, that's why I always ask
[11:49] <fde> I guess it messaged people that _can_ change it though... thanks  :)
[11:51] <fde> ubottu: no sound is If you're having problems with sound, first ensure PulseAudio is selected in System > Preferences > Sound, if that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3  (basically just taking out all references to ALSA/dmix in favor of Pulse, causes too many issues, if it's not working with Pulse, it's a bug)
[11:51]  * fde kicks the bot
[11:51] <fde> I'm tired though, I need sleep
[11:51] <Seeker`> fde: why are you kicking the bot?
[11:52] <jussi01> fde: that is the response the bot should give
[11:52] <fde> Seeker`: It's being bad! heh... it cuz it off what I intended to say to people in power
[11:52] <fde> cuz it cut off*
[11:55] <elkbuntu> ...
[11:55] <elkbuntu> mneptok, have you been sharing your waterbottle with the other kids again?
[11:58] <fde> I just thought of something... the change I requested is only applicable to Hardy... 
[11:58] <fde> Maybe there should be soundhardy ... or sound should be for hardy and going forward... and there should be a soundold with the current version?
[12:00] <fde> But yeah, currently, if it doesn't work with Pulse, it's a bug that should be filed... so that should be reflected somewhere... else you get to try to explain that it's not applicable to hardy, and why, and THEN help, and users don't care about such details.
[12:00] <fde> I'm going to bed though  :)
[12:04] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: of course, the real solution is to just prohibit $non_offensive_word_meaning_trolls from attending the meetings.
[12:04] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: they certainly never bothered to respond to emails, at least, to all who were CC'd.
[12:05] <Hobbsee> even if they did, others would have time to look up whether they were right, or on crack.  *g*
[12:06] <Hobbsee> or to take a step back, and look at how we govern the channels, which would include some of mneptok's ideas.
[12:06] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, if response and attention to mails is a prereq for meetings, then i think certain members of the CC would have been prohibited last week
[12:07] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: sure, but they weren't making the complaint.
[12:07] <elkbuntu> not to mention, we're already told we govern too harshly, and are already pressured to be kinder to troublemakers.
[12:08] <Hobbsee> they mentioned nothing about newbies, though.
[12:10]  * Seeker` wonders what is going on
[12:11] <Hobbsee> Seeker`: the rmrf troll earlier, etc.
[12:16] <Seeker`> what meetings are you talking about
[12:18] <Hobbsee> the CC meeting.
[12:18]  * Hobbsee pulls Seeker` out from under his rock.
[12:18] <bazhang> the rmrf fellow was dealt with too harshly? is that really in question?
[12:19]  * jussi01 takes the rock and drops it on Seeker` :P
[12:19] <Hobbsee> bazhang: unsure.  the CC thought that $non_offensive_word_meaning_trolls were dealt with too harshly, and seeing as that guy counts as one...
[12:19] <Hobbsee> it wouldn't be unheard of
[12:19] <Seeker`> :(
[12:20] <Hobbsee> jussi01: careful!  you'll crush him!
[12:20] <Hobbsee> jussi01: just imagine what the CC would say to that!
[12:20] <jussi01> hehe
[12:20] <Hobbsee> although, maybe not.  it would class as a death threat, i guess.
[12:20] <bazhang> if that was too harsh after all that he did, then the channel is essentially handed over to those that seek to disrupt it
[12:21] <Hobbsee> bazhang: ahhh, you're new to this.  the politics of the past few months have been looking at exactly that.
[12:21] <Hobbsee> bazhang: which is why seveas and such quit.
[12:21] <Seeker`> I remember the good old days, when you could call a troll a troll, and ban then
[12:21] <Seeker`> s/then/them
[12:21] <Seeker`> :P
[12:22] <jussi01> hehe
[12:22] <bazhang> Hobbsee, may as well fold up #ubuntu channels if that is the case
[12:23] <jussi01> Please, can we leave this one again, im tired of it... :/
[12:23] <Hobbsee> bazhang: or leave them in the control of people who *do* believe that that's the right way to moderate.
[12:23] <bazhang> sorry jussi01 ; never heard it before, I will stop now
[12:24] <jussi01> sniff
[12:24]  * bazhang hands jussi01  a tissue
[12:24] <elkbuntu> jussi01, as much as it hurts, it cannot and will not go away
[12:25] <Hobbsee> ++
[12:25] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: what, you mean that sweeping things under the carpet doesn't work?
[12:25] <jussi01> elkbuntu: true, however I continually hear/see exactly the same things repeated over and over again, and to me its not going anywhere. thats my real problem. 
[12:27] <elkbuntu> jussi01, we have no way to take things anywhere. if we do we're either incompetent or harrassing.
[12:27] <elkbuntu> repeat cycle.
[12:28] <jussi01> sigh...
[12:28] <jussi01> :(
[12:28] <jussi01> elkbuntu: I understand your point. :(
[12:29]  * elkbuntu needs icecream
[12:29] <elkbuntu> brb
[12:29] <Seeker`> it'll end up with the same thing that is happening with kids in the UK: Noone (not even the police) have any power to do anything about them, in case they are "hurt" or "insulted", so they just run wild
[12:29] <Seeker`> elkbuntu: good idea
[12:36] <elkbuntu> Seeker`, pretty much
[12:37] <elkbuntu> as i said before, we've about as much stance as a parent
[12:37] <elkbuntu> it's all our fault when the channels turn to feces, but we're not allowed to do a thing to stop it
[12:37] <bazhang> except parents are not volunteers
[12:37] <elkbuntu> bazhang, they volunteered when they did the deed
[12:38] <bazhang> oof
[12:38]  * jussi01 goes off to make an #ubuntu-ops-politics channel...
[12:38] <bazhang> haha
[12:38] <elkbuntu> heh
[12:42]  * jussi01 sighs at the guy looking for browsers "like internet explorer"...
[12:42] <Pici> jussi01: Really? My reaction was more of a scream.
[12:42] <jussi01> Pici: hehe, Im to tired to scream
[12:43] <Pici> "Linux doesnt have any browsers that crappy, sorry"
[12:43] <jussi01> bwahahah
[12:45] <elkbuntu> rofl
[12:46] <Seeker`> I believe parents are still allowed to smack kids in the UK
[12:53] <ikonia> Seeker`: a news report I saw last week suggested smacking = illegal as of this year
[12:55] <elkbuntu> if not, grounds for child abuse investigations and defamations
[13:00] <Seeker`> wtf
[13:00] <bazhang> jrib I tried your new and improved warning; it worked like a charm :)
[13:01] <Seeker`> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smacking#Legal_situation
[13:01]  * Pici smacks Seeker` 
[13:02] <Seeker`> IMO there is nothing wrong with smacking kids that misbehave - as long as it is done "reasonably" (i.e. only using hands, not hard enough to leave a mark / bruise, not done excessively)
[13:02] <bazhang> phonebook?
[13:02] <Seeker`> bazhang: ?
[13:03] <jrib> bazhang: good to hear
[13:03] <bazhang> leaves no marks :)
[13:03] <jrib> my parents used a wooden spoon
[13:03] <bazhang> haha
[13:03] <Seeker`> bazhang: I would hope you dont have a phonebook for a hand
[13:03] <bazhang> that *would* make typing a bit tedious
[13:03] <Seeker`> just a little
[13:04] <Seeker`> I was smacked as a kid, and I'm fine *twitch*
[13:05] <ikonia> a collegue of mine went to a catholic school, he (like me) is left handed, apprantly, it's the "devils" hands, and every time he'd done something with his left hand, eat, drink, write, etc the nuns would smack his hands with a thick ruler, 
[13:05] <ikonia> he is now ambidexterous
[13:05] <elkbuntu> Seeker`, i'd challenge that everyone in this channel received corporal punishment
[13:05] <ikonia> I certainly got a smack in my youth
[13:05] <elkbuntu> anyone who didnt is clearly a kiddie ;)
[13:07] <elkbuntu> ikonia, i gather you were never subjected to church?
[13:08]  * Seeker` is left handed
[13:08] <Hobbsee> since when does church smack people?
[13:08] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, yeah, too kind. lets leave this now i think.
[13:09]  * Hobbsee hasn't been to such a one, but OK.
[13:09] <ikonia> Hobbsee: few years ago now
[13:09] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, um, you missed my point. never mind.
[13:11] <ikonia> elkbuntu: nope, not a religious family, his tale was quite shocking to me
[13:12] <Seeker`> ikonia: I guess that this was from the time when corporal punishment was allowed in all schools?
[13:13] <bazhang> lefties unite!
[13:14]  * jussi01 is getting his new pet on thursday :D
[13:14] <jussi01> (just to be a little more ot)
[13:14] <elkbuntu> kitteh?
[13:14] <jussi01> nope...
[13:14] <elkbuntu> yeah, this is a little offtopic
[13:15] <elkbuntu> puppeh?
[13:15] <jussi01> its an "unusual" pet :D
[13:15] <elkbuntu> ooh
[13:15] <elkbuntu> turtle?!
[13:15] <ikonia> Seeker`: yes, 
[13:15]  * jussi01 goes to grab a photo
[13:15] <Pici> jussi01: armadillo 
[13:15] <Seeker`> when I was young, the number of left handed people was roughly 10%. apparently it is closer to 50% now, as people aren't forced to use their right hands to write any more
[13:16] <elkbuntu> ikonia, is your irssi playing up again?
[13:16] <jussi01> here he is: http://imagebin.ca/view/6sQ7bW.html
[13:16] <jussi01> :D
[13:16] <ikonia> elkbuntu: a little yes, but I think I've found the fixes
[13:16] <elkbuntu> Seeker`, left handedness is a genetic recessive trait. it's not likely to be anything less than 25%
[13:16] <Pici> jussi01: Hedgehog?
[13:17] <elkbuntu> er, anything more*
[13:17] <jussi01> Pici: yeps :)
[13:17] <Pici> jussi01: cute
[13:17] <jussi01> :D
[13:17]  * jussi01 is smiling from ear to ear :D
[13:18] <Seeker`> elkbuntu: Both my parents are right handed, both me and my brother are left handed, so it is possible, even if it is unlikely
[13:19] <elkbuntu> Seeker`, that's a statistically redundant number to base the trend on.
[13:20] <Pici> Gregor Mendel
[13:20] <elkbuntu> indeed
[13:21] <elkbuntu> although they're pretty certain he fudged the results to get his message across, as he also had what would have been an inaccurate number to derive the conclusion from.
[14:08] <jdong> yeah he definitely fudged the numbers *AND* did an exhaustive search.
[14:08] <jdong> the traits he chose to document were the ONLY traits of pea plants that follow mendelian genetics
[14:23] <bazhang> poopuser's ident family friendly?
[14:24] <elkbuntu> quite. sane and sensible, no.
[14:24] <bazhang> not his nick-->the ident is handjob
[14:25] <Myrtti> borderline case
[14:29] <elkbuntu> yeah
[14:30] <Pici> Eh, I wouldnt go out of the way to ask him to change it.  
[14:30] <elkbuntu> however, suggesting a change of ident for future uses of the ubuntu namespace should catalyse them either one way or the other.
[14:30] <elkbuntu> we're told to catalyse. nobody says which way.
[14:34] <bazhang> Goos-fraba..
[14:34] <Pici> eh?
[14:35] <bazhang> anger management (movie)
[14:56]  * Pici cleans out some accidental factoids
[14:57] <Pici> !idiot
[14:58] <Pici> !lag
[14:59] <bazhang> ubottu why?
[14:59] <bazhang> hmm turned off
[15:00] <Pici> !why
[15:00] <bazhang> used to be a bit funnier
[15:03] <elkbuntu> it needs a response randomiser
[15:03] <elkbuntu> we could get it to argue like a toddler
[15:04] <elkbuntu> @login
[15:04] <elkbuntu> yay!
[15:04] <Pici> !redmond
[15:04] <elkbuntu> no, why is Why not?
[15:04] <elkbuntu> :(
[15:05] <elkbuntu> !no, why is Why not?
[15:05]  * elkbuntu raises an eyebrow
[15:05] <Pici> elkbuntu: I moved it to be an #ubuntu-offtopic factoid only.
[15:05] <elkbuntu> oh.
[15:05] <ikonia> !redmond's not really cool
[15:06] <ikonia> seems likley to provoke response like !vista
[15:07] <elkbuntu> yeah. it's not like every single piece of software from the geographical location of 'redmond' is bad either
[15:07] <elkbuntu> !botsnack
[15:07] <elkbuntu> !opsnack
[15:08] <elkbuntu> !usersnack
[15:08] <elkbuntu> :)
[15:08] <Pici> !lolops
[15:11] <elkbuntu> !no, redmond is a city in the state of Washington in the United States. Nothing else interesting about it. Seriously, nothing. 
[15:11] <Pici> :)
[15:11] <elkbuntu> how's that, ikonia? :)
[15:14] <ikonia> better
[15:14] <ikonia> as least it doesn't slate anyone
[15:15] <elkbuntu> yeah. i'd rather have something and not have every idiot trying to be the person to 'come up' with 'something funny'
[15:15] <wgrant> !no redmond is something funny
[15:16] <elkbuntu> har.
[15:18] <elkbuntu> !no, redmond is not relevent to my interests.
[15:18]  * elkbuntu grins
[15:18] <elkbuntu> that better still?
[15:19] <ikonia> I'd remove it from the db 
[15:20] <elkbuntu> i'd rather not have it blank, unless you want people trying to be the 'champion' to add it
[15:22] <elkbuntu> anyway, im off to bed. peace
[15:22] <tonyyarusso> hmm, what happens if you say "is <reply>"
[15:23] <elkbuntu> !tonyyarusso is <reply>
[15:23] <elkbuntu> !tonyyarusso
[15:23]  * elkbuntu waits for the bot to die
[15:23] <elkbuntu> !test
[15:23] <wgrant> SIGSEGV
[15:24] <elkbuntu> nice, however, now if someone really wants the reaction we'll have instead:
[15:24] <elkbuntu> !tonyyarusso
[15:24] <elkbuntu> !tonyyarusso
[15:24] <elkbuntu> ...
[15:24] <elkbuntu> !no, tonyyarusso is weird.
[15:24] <elkbuntu> :(
[15:25] <elkbuntu> !no, tonyyarusso is weird.
[15:25] <Pici> !tonyyarusso
[15:25] <tonyyarusso> hahaha
[15:25] <Pici> !elkbuntu
[15:25] <wgrant> !pici
[15:26] <elkbuntu> !ompaul
[15:26] <elkbuntu> !seveas
[15:26] <elkbuntu> :(
[15:26] <elkbuntu> really :(
[15:26] <tonyyarusso> Heck, that could actually be his factoid now.
[15:26] <elkbuntu> !no, seveas is :(
[15:27] <elkbuntu> !seveas is <reply>:(
[15:27] <Pici> 404 seveas not found
[15:27] <Pici> !seveas
[15:27] <elkbuntu> you are a stupid stupid bot
[15:27] <Pici> !-seveas
[15:27] <elkbuntu> !seveas is <reply> :(
[15:27] <Pici> !no seveas is <reply> :(
[15:27] <ikonia> is it picking : as EOL
[15:27] <elkbuntu> doing the no before it was added is what trips it up
[15:28] <elkbuntu> !seveas is <reply> \:(
[15:28] <tonyyarusso> anyone good with CSS?  I need to figure out what conditional I need for IE(7) (works in FF)
[15:28] <Pici> !seveas
[15:28] <elkbuntu> :D
[15:28] <elkbuntu> but :(
[15:28] <Pici> It was messing up because !seveas used to point to his repo info.
[15:28] <Pici> Had to !unforget first
[15:28] <elkbuntu> ah
[15:29] <elkbuntu> !hobbsee
[15:29]  * Hobbsee attacks elkbuntu with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!™
[15:29]  * elkbuntu cheers
[15:29]  * wgrant throws ubotu at Hobbsee
[15:30]  * Hobbsee eats it
[15:30] <Pici> :o
[16:07] <Seeker`> -16:03:10- ~s~ Irssi: Starting query in freenode with arzu883
[16:07] <Seeker`> -16:03:10- arzu883: çok tatlýyým tadýma bakmak istersen gel :)) tatli_buse17
[16:07] <Seeker`> arzu833 is in #ubuntu
[16:09] <jdong> no idea what it says, but there's a :) so it must be benign.
[16:10] <Pici> #kubuntu-kde4 is still separate from #kubuntu?
[16:13] <tonyyarusso> yes
[16:13] <Pici> hrm
[16:31] <Pici> ..
[16:31] <Seeker`> sorry about that
[16:32] <Pici> You should be.
[16:32] <jussi01> Pici: the plan is that #kubuntu-kde4 will disappear with the release of intrepid
[16:32] <Pici> jussi01: Ah, I thought that was the plan for Hardy.
[16:33] <jussi01> Pici: :)
[16:57] <Pici> bazhang: you're too quick today 
[16:58] <bazhang> Pici, his language was abusive
[16:58] <Pici> bazhang: no, I mean faster than me ;)
[16:58] <bazhang> oh haha
[16:58] <Seeker`> Pici wants to ban some people :P
[17:00] <Hobbsee> you bad people.
[17:00] <Hobbsee> you'll be catalysed soon, on the evils of banning.
[17:02]  * Seeker` facedesks, "I really dont like the word catalyse in this context"
[17:02] <Hobbsee> haha
[17:02] <Hobbsee> s/catalyse/$non_offensive_word_for_catalyse/
[17:03]  * jussi01 hands Pici the long pointy stick of doom
[17:03] <Seeker`> mediate is much better
[17:03]  * Hobbsee sues jussi01 for copyright infringement
[17:03] <Seeker`> catalyse sounds too much like a buzzword
[17:03] <Pici> Sounds like a chemistry experiment.
[17:03] <Hobbsee> Seeker`: mediation requires changes from both parties, doesn't it?
[17:04] <jussi01> Hobbsee: you can, I stole the stick from you to give to him
[17:04] <Seeker`> Hobbsee: It doesn't _require_ changes from both sides
[17:04] <Hobbsee> Seeker`: just usually involves it?
[17:05] <Seeker`> Hobbsee: It usually involves two or more people coming to some mutual agreement
[17:06] <Seeker`> In this case, the channel ops and the $not_a_troll
[17:06] <jussi01> Why do I always read mediate as meditate ?
[17:07] <Hobbsee> right
[17:07] <Seeker`> it is possible that the ops will conceed that the users behaviour was acceptable, and it is possible the user will accept they are wrong
[19:02] <Pici> Chanserv.py doesnt give any feedback when you op/kick/whatever people, right?
[19:03] <Pici> i.e. it just does it?
[19:08] <Pici> nevermind
[19:12] <Pici> /cs o,d,v,dv are all in Chanserv.pl now, working on the other stuff now.
[19:17] <ompaul> pl or py?
[19:17] <Pici> pl, for irssi
[19:17] <ompaul> ack
[19:54] <Myrtti> Tm_T: ping
[19:55] <nalioth> lovely
[19:56] <Myrtti> Tm_T: a91-155-238-61.elisa-laajakaista.fi
[19:56] <nalioth> klined
[20:02] <Tm_T> Myrtti: ?
[20:02] <nalioth> Tm_T: there was a troublemaking ban evader from that IP ( which was klined )
[20:02] <Tm_T> ah ok
[20:02] <Pici> Why are we letting Tm_T know specifically?
[20:03] <Myrtti> Pici: because I take it as a personal insult if someone from .fi is being an ass
[20:03] <Myrtti> and because I'm not active in -fi
[20:03] <Myrtti> sorry.
[20:03] <Pici> Myrtti: If I felt like that about americans, I'd feel pretty insulted.
[20:04] <Myrtti> Pici: Finland is not only the native country of ssh, irc and linxu, but also a country with 5+ million inhabitans
[20:04] <Myrtti> inhabitants
[20:04] <Myrtti> linux, even
[20:04] <Myrtti> damn. need sleep
[20:15] <Pici> nalioth: same person was just back
[20:17] <nalioth> we've got problems  :(
[20:17] <Pici> freenode?
[20:17] <Pici> :(
[20:18] <nalioth> no, us
[20:18]  * nalioth was in #ubuntu-ops last time he looked
[20:18] <nalioth> that finnish troll keeps recycling his modem
[20:19] <nalioth> can anyone /who #ubuntu for a91-155-*.elisa-laajakaista.fi    ?
[20:21] <Pici> huh? The person was at a91-155-238-61.elisa-laajakaista.fi for each event
[20:22] <nalioth> Pici: no, i've klined two addresses so far from there
[20:23] <Pici> anon@
[20:23] <Pici> anon@
[20:23] <Pici> n=anon@a91-155-238-61.elisa-laajakaista.fi = mob, frawfraw, and blakie according to my /whoising anyway
[20:23] <jussi01> sigh
[20:24]  * jussi01 hugs Myrtti, I feel your pain. :/
[20:25]  * Pici wishes more people here were nice
[20:29] <jussi01> hrm,  he left, but in #ubuntu-mobile (might be one to watch for)
[20:29] <jussi01> [21:59:44] <chemboy> i like fucking hot and sexy girls!!!!!!!!! :'(
[20:29] <jussi01> [21:59:47] <-- chemboy (n=chemboy@6532223hfc07.tampabay.res.rr.com) has left #ubuntu-mobile
[20:41] <jussi01> christel: if you are around, could do with your help in #ubuntu-artwork 
[20:42] <jussi01> we have a troll in there: emotionalwhitema: WANTED ! single white female 17 to 70 with red hair(blonde will do) a high I.Q. and good morals----freckles are a plus
[20:43] <jussi01> Ok, he got bored and left, but probably worth keeping an eye out for. 
[20:44] <gnomefreak> jussi01: i might now an op in htere
[20:44] <gnomefreak> there
[20:44] <gnomefreak> hes just not answering
[20:45] <jussi01> gnomefreak: I just checked the access list ;)
[20:45] <gnomefreak> jussi01: is asac on it?
[20:45] <jussi01> no
[20:46] <jussi01> only seveas, troy_s christe.l and kwii
[20:46] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[20:47] <jussi01> funny, i remember that nick from a while back.
[20:56] <nalioth> jussi01: why are you asking for c h r i s t e l?
[20:56] <jussi01> nalioth: she is on the access list for that chan...
[20:56] <nalioth> jussi01: the irc council has access in _all_ official Ubuntu community channels
[20:57] <jussi01> nalioth: how so? the access list had 4 people on it as I listed earlier
[20:58] <nalioth> jussi01: Group Contacts have de facto access in any channel their group covers
[20:58] <nalioth> you are far more likely to get me than c h r i s t e l
[20:58] <jussi01> nalioth: ok. so what was the correct way of dealing with that? Do you have access in there?
[20:58] <nalioth> and it just puts more clutter on her radar ( that is not her concern )
[20:58] <nalioth> jussi01: you ask in here
[20:59] <nalioth> or note there is a problem in here
[20:59] <nalioth> jdub is not familiar with our policies and put c h r i s t e l on the ACL for some weird reason
[20:59] <jussi01> ok
[21:02] <jussi01> nalioth: ok, so if need be, you can actually do something about situations like this?
[21:04] <gnomefreak> why am i getting messe dup pms :(
[21:05] <gnomefreak> messed up even
[21:05] <jussi01> gnomefreak: like?
[21:05] <gnomefreak> hld on
[21:05] <gnomefreak> 16:04 <Pelin_ankara> irem_34ist h 0 t �m Ac�yor K`a`m`e`r`a`d`a
[21:06] <gnomefreak> hes looking at being removed from #ubuntu if i find out its a bot
[21:06] <jussi01> nalioth: ^
[21:06] <gnomefreak> he got hit
[21:06] <gnomefreak> kline
[21:07] <jussi01> gnomefreak: we have been calling st*ff on those for a while
[21:07] <gnomefreak> ah
[21:07]  * gnomefreak just now getting a spare minute to sit
[21:11] <nalioth> jussi01: situations such as #ubuntu-artwork should be mentioned in here so it can be noted
[21:11] <jussi01> nalioth: sure. 
[21:47] <gnomefreak> ompaul: you around?
[21:47] <ompaul> gnomefreak, only in spirit
[21:47] <ompaul> :)
[21:48] <gnomefreak> ompaul: do you still have that mutt guide?
[21:48] <ompaul> I'll see if I can find it for ya
[21:48] <gnomefreak> thanks i redid bookmarks and cant find it :(
[21:48] <ompaul> http://www.linux.ie/articles/tutorials/mutt.php
[21:48] <ompaul> that is one version 
[21:49] <gnomefreak> thanks
[21:49] <ompaul> you can search for brian and work out if there is a later one
[21:50] <gnomefreak> yep thanks just need one to get me set up :)
[22:17] <mneptok> spam subject: "set your wife on fire!"
[22:18] <nalioth> mneptok: are you sure you weren't just a good role model?
[22:35] <tomaw> You guys may wish to consider an extended duration of +R
[22:39] <nalioth> as opposed to +r ?
[23:13] <PriceChild> Awwww ten98 gave me a heart in PM with our names in.
[23:14] <nalioth> won't keep him from riding the train
[23:15] <PriceChild> Have you found him a seat?
[23:15] <nalioth> does he need one?
[23:16] <ompaul> all aboard thats goin aboard all ashore thats goin ashore ;-)
[23:19] <PriceChild> I think he wants to be klined.
[23:20] <ompaul> nalioth, blow the whistle :)
[23:20] <PriceChild> He seems nice enough in PM, but quite insistent on putting across the message that he is trolling intentionally.
[23:20] <ompaul> tell him that that behaviour is not welcome 
[23:21] <mneptok> except on DALnet
[23:21] <mneptok> who will take all the users they can get.
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[23:39] <ompaul> hehe