[00:07] @login [00:07] Myrtti: The operation succeeded. [00:07] !ntfs [00:07] To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see /msg ubotu NTFS-3g or /msg ubotu FUSE [00:07] !ntfs =~ s/ubotu/ubottu/ [00:07] I'll remember that Myrtti [00:07] !ntfs [00:07] To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see /msg ubottu NTFS-3g or /msg ubotu FUSE [00:08] !ntfs =~ s/ubotu/ubottu/g [00:08] Missing end delimiter [00:08] !ntfs =~ s/ubotu/ubottu/ [00:08] !ntfs [00:08] To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see /msg ubottu NTFS-3g or /msg ubottu FUSE [00:08] !ntfs > bascule [00:13] bascule called the ops in #kubuntu (rajdhani) [01:07] [03:06] *** Flip2405 [n=dem0n@c-71-204-57-251.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit ["Kage is a fucking retard im outtie"] [01:13] I tried to put a banforward to here [01:16] bazhang noticed that twit yesterday too [01:16] that's exactly why I put a banforward on him [01:17] he should've been asked to change it, if so, then the banforward is in place, if not, then it's a sign u is too busy for us to note and remember to ask him to change his quit message [02:46] why Lj.L has disappeared? [03:50] FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [03:50] astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu (slvmchn) [03:56] the last got k-lined... [03:56] idiot [03:56] It wasn't klined when he called ops [03:57] there are no more automated klines [03:57] I know. ¨idiot" was for the D C C spammer, not the guy who called ops [06:52] wow nice ident [06:56] !info mono [06:56] Package mono does not exist in hardy [06:56] bleh [06:56] !find mono [06:56] Found: kde-icons-mono, libmono-accessibility1.0-cil, libmono-accessibility2.0-cil, libmono-addins-gui0.2-cil, libmono-addins0.2-cil (and 116 others) [06:57] it's a source package [06:57] bleh again [06:57] evidently under a different name than just ´mono´ in hardy [06:57] !info mono-common [06:57] !find sharp [06:57] mono-common (source: mono): common files for Mono. In component main, is optional. Version 1.2.6+dfsg-6ubuntu3 (hardy), package size 111 kB, installed size 728 kB [06:57] Found: gtk-sharp2-gapi, libmono-sharpzip0.84-cil, libmono-sharpzip2.84-cil, mono-gmcs, mono-mcs (and 11 others) [06:58] see, "source: mono" [06:58] the bot doesn't do source packages :P [06:58] !info mono intrepid [06:58] Package mono does not exist in intrepid [06:58] err, duh [06:58] !info mono-common intrepid [06:58] mono-common (source: mono): common files for Mono. In component main, is optional. Version 1.2.6+dfsg-6ubuntu3 (intrepid), package size 111 kB, installed size 728 kB [06:58] whee [07:01] I swear to Gaia, if the doctors think I need to have my medication for longer than July, I'll happily eat them no matter they cost 1€ a day. This is horrible [07:01] I'll never ever forget to take my meds again [07:01] ;____; [07:10] !coc [07:10] The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/ [07:13] gestapospank a family friendly nick? [07:57] * elkbuntu cuddles Myrtti [07:58] jdong: I need your l33t admin powers to make the desktop effects forum description not suck [07:59] It is fully buzzword compliant and information free [08:02] Does anyone know if the is a planet ubuntu archive? ie. the blog posts that have dropped off the bottom of planet? [08:04] jussi01: the blogs of the people that are on there [08:04] jussi01, archive.org? :Þ [08:05] Amaranth: yeah, problem is I know hwat the blog post was about, it was on the last night, but I can for the life of me remeber the blogger... [08:05] jussi01: what was it about? [08:05] maybe we can help :) [08:05] Ubuntu mobile image creation testing, in xephyr [08:05] my liferea history is longer than the planet ubuntu page :) [08:06] had a nice ubuntu mobile screenshot on it. [08:06] jussio1: http://blog.omma.net/?p=8 [08:06] Also, I hate your clone [08:06] :P [08:06] Amaranth: you rock. thank you very much :) [08:07] happy? [08:07] yes :) [08:07] xchat-gnome tabbing sucks and i got sick of patching it [08:08] doesnt really matter, I get hilighted on both [08:14] whos is it we talk to about removing a mailing list? [08:14] wow bantracker is sweet :) [08:14] especially the way you can add comments after the fact [08:15] People actually post comments in there? :P [08:16] gnomefreak: I think thats elmo iirc [08:16] haha [08:16] jussi01: thanks [08:16] * jussi01 slaps Amaranth... [08:39] Amaranth: !! be nice... :P [08:40] jussi01: This is the same argument the automatix devs give me [08:40] They screw up, we should modify ubuntu to work around their screwups [08:40] Amaranth: yeah, I know. :D [08:49] soundray called the ops in #ubuntu (kindofabuzz bad advice) [08:50] bazhang: No warning for that kind of thing, just get rid of them [08:50] Amaranth, okay [08:50] what is the factoid to tell people to not run that command? [08:50] !danger [08:51] DO NOT RUN THAT COMMAND That particular command is DANGEROUS and shouldn't be uttered here. REST OF YOU: DANGER, WILL ROBINSON, DANGER! Do not use the command or utter it here thank you! [08:51] or it was that [08:51] Amaranth, also ban? [08:51] bazhang: yeah [08:52] FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join) [08:52] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join) [08:52] you kicked him [08:52] i did a ban too [08:52] oh I see the ban now sorry [08:52] and then either the bots for antsy or he retaliated? [08:53] you never give that command kindofabuzz [08:54] thanks Amaranth [08:54] i'm sorry, not like many people knew what it was [08:54] no excuse kindofabuzz [08:54] sorry man [08:54] You know that command is bad, why even say it? [08:54] it will never happen again [08:54] you were also overly aggressive towards a helper fde [08:54] it was a joke [08:54] and warned several times not to be [08:54] i believe he was overly aggressive to me [08:55] !joke [08:55] You might think your joke is funny, but you may confuse new users who follow your advice or irritate people who attempt to answer your question. [08:55] i apologize [08:55] he was helping that user for some time and then you interjected [08:55] and were asked to back off [08:56] several times by several individuals [08:56] and then you pasted that dangerous command [08:57] !coc [08:57] The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/ [08:57] please read that kindofabuzz [08:57] i know i was wrong, once again sorry [08:57] come back in a couple of days and we can talk again [08:58] here? [08:58] yes [08:58] ok [08:58] best not to idle here. [08:59] @login [08:59] Myrtti: The operation succeeded. [08:59] !rmrf [08:59] Factoid rmrf not found [08:59] !-danger [08:59] danger has no aliases - added by ompaul on 2008-03-08 18:30:18 - last edited by ompaul on 2008-03-08 22:41:42 [08:59] i.e. kindofabuzz best to depart now and come back in a couple of days [08:59] !rmrf/ [08:59] Factoid rmrf/ not found [08:59] ok [09:00] !rmrf/ is foo [09:00] I'll remember that, Myrtti [09:00] !no rmrf/ is danger [09:00] I'll remember that Myrtti [09:00] !rmrf/ [09:00] DO NOT RUN THAT COMMAND That particular command is DANGEROUS and shouldn't be uttered here. REST OF YOU: DANGER, WILL ROBINSON, DANGER! Do not use the command or utter it here thank you! [09:00] maybe add something like your system will be wiped [09:01] just so they dont test it out [09:01] bazhang: there are plenty of other commands that are dangerous enough to be given !danger [09:01] true Myrtti [09:03] add something like you will be banned on site for atleast $TIME? [09:04] kind of save the user from asking why and trying to fight it? [09:04] insta-perma-megaban [09:04] I wouldn't even ban them [09:04] most people who give rmrf/ don't know it's a no no [09:05] or understand it [09:05] a remove, banforward to here and explaining the matter [09:05] Myrtti, indeed. i know one that starts with 'A' and ends with 'x' [09:06] ax? [09:06] au-tah-mah-tex [09:06] ps ax | grep [09:06] heh [09:06] that starts with 'p' :Þ [09:06] though envy is now a restricted module [09:06] hhaha [09:07] thats because the envy guy had guts enough to accept what was crack about his application and work towards improving it [09:07] bravo to him [09:07] I get a funny feeling when someone advices on the usage of dd if=/dev/random [09:08] or was it of... [09:08] can't remember [09:08] i have a hard time believing that a user for now reason gives that command doesnt know what it means unless they are asking what does this do [09:08] but just a random comment or telling user to run it they know damn well what it does [09:08] he knew [09:08] most do [09:09] gnomefreak: even still, I think it's a bit rash to ban them for days? [09:09] for a day for a few hours thats why i stated $TIME [09:09] Flip2405: good day [09:09] * gnomefreak never said "for days" [09:09] Flip2405: you're on this channel instead of #ubuntu because of your quit message [09:10] Hello i was trying to get into linux development and i was wondering what language the .c exetension [09:10] Flip2405: I'm requesting you to please change it [09:10] opps [09:10] forgot about that sruy [09:10] okay [09:10] there ya go :) but [09:11] my question is simple so instead of putting me in a room full of spam can you please awnser :) [09:12] Myrtti [09:12] Hello [09:12] Flip2405: this isnt a support channel. If you are asking a question how do you think its easy? if easy you wouldnt need to ask [09:13] Flip2405, best to depart. [09:13] Flip2405: hold on [09:13] :) okay well can i atleast go to the support i changed it [09:13] Flip2405: I'll remove your banforward now [09:13] Flip2405: sorry, I'm on mobile dialup at my moms now and my phone spontaneously booted just when I was about to take the banforward off [09:14] Np man [09:14] err lady [09:14] Np friend :) [09:15] tyvm [09:15] cya [09:15] Flip2405: try to join #ubuntu now [09:15] it worked [09:15] cya [09:15] isnt .c a c header file [09:15] seems kindofabuzz was PM'ing another helper after he left here with some foulness [09:15] isnt .h a c header file [09:15] .c can be pretty much anything done with c [09:16] ah good point [09:16] cursing him out graphically [09:16] gnomefreak: wanna hear the funny part? [09:16] I've never ever written a line of c [09:16] bazhang: tell the victum to complain in here so its logged [09:16] gnomefreak, will do [09:16] Myrtti: C isnt too bad just long drug out [09:17] have told him to do so [09:17] Myrtti: concider yourself lucky i know alot of people that hate it but that was my first language [09:17] hi soundray ; sorry he did that [09:17] bazhang: soundray is the guy? [09:18] gnomefreak, the one who got cursed yes [09:18] if so please warn the other user maybe remove him, soundray is a very big helper for a very long time [09:18] gnomefreak: I'm one of the one's whose first language was java... [09:18] gnomefreak, he is banned for two days; extend it? [09:18] Myrtti: i dropped out of java class :) [09:19] soundray, he cursed you out? [09:19] 2 days is fine for now, he needs to understand running his mouth will not be tolerated [09:19] kindofabuzz saw fit to send me a pm saying "You little bitch, you called ops on me" [09:19] hmmm clicking the x doesnt close the app :( [09:20] send him here everyone leave and take logging bots with you :) [09:20] thanks soundray, and sorry he did that [09:21] * gnomefreak wonder what he does next [09:21] Not to worry, bazhang, thanks for your help. [09:21] soundray: if it happens again let me know please [09:21] soundray, thanks for all your help :) [09:22] soundray: how many minutes ago he pm'd you? [09:22] Myrtti: must be about 10 minutes now [09:23] well after he left here [09:23] i would say an op pm him telling him to stop but that might full him even more [09:23] as it's 1123 now, and he left here at 1100 sharpish... [09:23] I'd say drop an extra day on him for that [09:23] make it 3? [09:23] okay Myrtti [09:24] see what he says in two days time and then at least one more day [09:24] it's one thing to give stupid advice and to curse [09:24] aggression against several of the best helpers though [09:24] this is the same rmrf guy? [09:24] yes gnomefreak [09:25] he damn sure knew what he was doing than not a doubt in my mind [09:25] oh for sure [09:25] * gnomefreak was on reboot when he did it so i wasnt positive now i am [09:25] I've got to go; work :( [09:26] not understanding what you've done stupidly after being told and agression towards people advicing you... [09:26] that just sort of... [09:26] proves that you're not only giving stupid advice [09:26] hes a moron [09:27] we're not allowed to say that anymore :( [09:27] see you later folks [09:27] oh wait i cant well i jsut did [09:27] elkbuntu: \o/ I didn't say it :-D [09:27] just implemented it [09:27] hehe [09:27] elkbuntu: eh its true [09:27] :-D [09:28] gnomefreak, it is. yes. but we as ops are not allowed to say stuff which $non_offensive_word_meaning_trolls might get upset at [09:28] yes, this makes it *really* hard to do our jobs. talk to the CC about this. [09:29] newspeak [09:29] elkbuntu: i was at meeting and honestly if he didnt do half of what he did within 15 minutes i wouldnt have said it. if someone brings me up infront of CC ill bring logs [09:30] gnomefreak, doesnt matter. ops have about as many rights are parents do. [09:30] but i will try to be nice from now on ;) but rmrf is NO excuse for anything IMHO [09:30] i can beat the users? [09:30] oh wait uonly if under 5 :( [09:30] only* [09:31] eh? what crazy place do you live where corporal punishment is still valid? [09:31] USA [09:31] geez. you're lucky [09:31] parents get charged and sued in australia :( [09:31] depending on how you define that. i can hit my kids but kids now a days will call the cops [09:32] elkbuntu: so do we but i dont think one case has gotten anywhere in the high courts [09:32] gnomefreak, the CC is way more kid sympathetic than the court system [09:33] they're so scared that someone who makes physical threats might stop using ubuntu that they forsake the dozens that the bully scares away [09:34] well the way i see if 5 people typed that command in it makes everyone look bad so i have every right to be pissed off IMHO it doesnt happen often but it does happen to everyone [09:34] unless it's an op who has been abused all day by users and makes a freudian slip [09:34] then the op is hauled [09:35] I'm hapy the speach detection of Finnish language is so poor [09:35] happy, even [09:36] if you folks knew how much and often I curse in real life... [09:36] * gnomefreak tried not to but depends what happens :) [09:37] s/moron/something-else [09:37] when I was 8 I attended a summer camp where the 12-y-o's taught me how to curse [09:38] i remember that age my father kicked my ass so bad [09:38] dont ever say some of those phrases towards your father :( [09:42] bottom line is. we're expected to be superhuman. we're not allowed to vent. we're not allowed to slip. [09:45] /me pokes Tm_T [09:46] Myrtti: yes? [09:47] remember that one channel that we fooled with earlier [09:47] understood but while we have to be that way than why cant we hold users responsable for thier actions? this is going on the rules that were made while i was gone about not banning trolls or was it being more lenant with them [09:47] the one with /mode +a ;-) [09:47] Myrtti: yes? [09:47] /me tries to create a !-channel, fails [09:48] /j !!channel ? [09:48] no such channel [09:48] Myrtti: in what network? freenode doesn't support those IIRC [09:49] damn [09:49] when was ! added for channels [09:49] it would've been a perfect solution [09:50] gnomefreak: its special thing, IRCnet [09:50] !vent-your-frustration with mode +a [09:50] Myrtti: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [09:51] haha [09:51] we had a channel but while i was gone it was abandoned/unregistered [09:51] I could be a bofh [09:51] gnomefreak: with mode +a ? [09:51] :-> [09:51] +i for sure i dont remember if +a what is +a [09:51] "Marks the channel to use anonymous conversations. All conversations, and people joining/parting are viewed all from 'anonymous!anonymous@anonymous'. Users quitting are seen as users parting the channel with no reason. " [09:52] AH [09:52] oops [09:52] well, its not totally anonymous [09:53] I've got high ethics. I'd make sure it would be only for anonymous venting, ie, you could curse and swear and vent as long as you don't mention any particular nicks [09:53] if rules were breached, I'd empty the channel and keep it that way for $duration [09:53] http://www.tm-travolta.net/pics/anonyymius_huipussaan.png [09:53] heh [09:55] ie. you could say "**** that was a total ****** person" [09:55] but not "**** $nick was a total ***** person" [09:55] :(( [09:55] #ubuntu-ops-anonymous [09:55] "hi, my name is anonymous and I'm an ubuntu op" [09:55] can I do /voice $nick ? [09:55] "hi anonymous" [09:56] ;-P [10:03] bug 222277 [10:03] Launchpad bug 222277 in xorg "Firefox 3 b5 crashes xorg when loading ubuntuguide.org in ubuntu 8.04 with compiz enabled (dup-of: 212648)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/222277 [10:03] Launchpad bug 212648 in linux-restricted-modules-envy-2.6.24 "[nvidia-new, hardy] certain websites in firefox causes X restart due to lack of wfb symlink" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/212648 [10:05] yay i think i found it :) [10:06] wfb? [10:09] i bug that i gave to timo i lost it and needded it [10:10] be back in a few [10:38] gnomefreak: give me a nudge when your back please [10:38] im here [10:38] are you in +1 ? [10:38] sorry just looking at bugs [10:38] yes [10:39] uno momento [10:39] k [10:47] hes still not here [10:48] * gnomefreak goes to look for someones email since i cant find him here lately :( [11:14] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join) [11:41] I'm unsure whether this is the right place, or if #ubuntu-irc is more appropriate, but could someone please change the bot's 'sound' factoid to reflect pulseaudio changes... [11:42] !sound [11:42] If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3 [11:42] Currently it states to set it to ALSA only, but there is no dmix anymore, so that isn't what the user wants in any case. [11:43] fde: type !sound is (what you feel the replacement should be) [11:43] If you set it to ALSA by itself, without dmix enabled, you can only get sound from one device at a time, and some apps fight for control of /dev/dsp so others never get a turn. [11:44] Seeker`: There is a Pulse Audio selection in System > Preferences > Sound [11:46] ubottu: no sound is If you're having problems with sound, first ensure PulseAudio is selected in System > Preferences > Sound, if that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3 [11:46] In #ubuntu-ops, fde said: ubottu: no sound is If you're having problems with sound, first ensure PulseAudio is selected in System > Preferences > Sound, if that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3 [11:47] I guess ubottu doesn't take the same commands as dpkg... heh [11:47] Actually, the dmix part shouldn't be there at all [11:48] !sound is If you're having problems with sound, first ensure PulseAudio is selected in System > Preferences > Sound, if that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTFor playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3roubleshooting - [11:48] fde: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [11:48] See, that's why I always ask [11:49] I guess it messaged people that _can_ change it though... thanks :) [11:51] ubottu: no sound is If you're having problems with sound, first ensure PulseAudio is selected in System > Preferences > Sound, if that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3 (basically just taking out all references to ALSA/dmix in favor of Pulse, causes too many issues, if it's not working with Pulse, it's a bug) [11:51] In #ubuntu-ops, fde said: ubottu: no sound is If you're having problems with sound, first ensure PulseAudio is selected in System > Preferences > Sound, if that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3 (basically just taking out all references to ALSA/dmix in favor of Pulse, causes too many issues, if it's not working wi [11:51] * fde kicks the bot [11:51] I'm tired though, I need sleep [11:51] fde: why are you kicking the bot? [11:52] fde: that is the response the bot should give [11:52] Seeker`: It's being bad! heh... it cuz it off what I intended to say to people in power [11:52] cuz it cut off* [11:55] ... [11:55] mneptok, have you been sharing your waterbottle with the other kids again? [11:58] I just thought of something... the change I requested is only applicable to Hardy... [11:58] Maybe there should be soundhardy ... or sound should be for hardy and going forward... and there should be a soundold with the current version? [12:00] But yeah, currently, if it doesn't work with Pulse, it's a bug that should be filed... so that should be reflected somewhere... else you get to try to explain that it's not applicable to hardy, and why, and THEN help, and users don't care about such details. [12:00] I'm going to bed though :) [12:04] elkbuntu: of course, the real solution is to just prohibit $non_offensive_word_meaning_trolls from attending the meetings. [12:04] elkbuntu: they certainly never bothered to respond to emails, at least, to all who were CC'd. [12:05] even if they did, others would have time to look up whether they were right, or on crack. *g* [12:06] or to take a step back, and look at how we govern the channels, which would include some of mneptok's ideas. [12:06] Hobbsee, if response and attention to mails is a prereq for meetings, then i think certain members of the CC would have been prohibited last week [12:07] elkbuntu: sure, but they weren't making the complaint. [12:07] not to mention, we're already told we govern too harshly, and are already pressured to be kinder to troublemakers. [12:08] they mentioned nothing about newbies, though. [12:10] * Seeker` wonders what is going on [12:11] Seeker`: the rmrf troll earlier, etc. [12:16] what meetings are you talking about [12:18] the CC meeting. [12:18] * Hobbsee pulls Seeker` out from under his rock. [12:18] the rmrf fellow was dealt with too harshly? is that really in question? [12:19] * jussi01 takes the rock and drops it on Seeker` :P [12:19] bazhang: unsure. the CC thought that $non_offensive_word_meaning_trolls were dealt with too harshly, and seeing as that guy counts as one... [12:19] it wouldn't be unheard of [12:19] :( [12:20] jussi01: careful! you'll crush him! [12:20] jussi01: just imagine what the CC would say to that! [12:20] hehe [12:20] although, maybe not. it would class as a death threat, i guess. [12:20] if that was too harsh after all that he did, then the channel is essentially handed over to those that seek to disrupt it [12:21] bazhang: ahhh, you're new to this. the politics of the past few months have been looking at exactly that. [12:21] bazhang: which is why seveas and such quit. [12:21] I remember the good old days, when you could call a troll a troll, and ban then [12:21] s/then/them [12:21] :P [12:22] hehe [12:22] Hobbsee, may as well fold up #ubuntu channels if that is the case [12:23] Please, can we leave this one again, im tired of it... :/ [12:23] bazhang: or leave them in the control of people who *do* believe that that's the right way to moderate. [12:23] sorry jussi01 ; never heard it before, I will stop now [12:24] sniff [12:24] * bazhang hands jussi01 a tissue [12:24] jussi01, as much as it hurts, it cannot and will not go away [12:25] ++ [12:25]