[00:26] <livingdaylight> so, when i attach an external usb hard drive and play either audio or video xubuntu crashes
[00:27] <livingdaylight> also my clock is completely wrong despite having set it to the right time zone
[00:30] <livingdaylight> anyone know anything about either problem
[00:50] <portokaosol> does anyone know how can I see what hardware drivers I am using, or how can I access some sort of a devices manager in Xubuntu?
[01:01] <bill> portokaosol: what is the issue you're having - there isn't anything like that in xubuntu
[01:02] <portokaosol> I am trying to see what drivers are assigned to my graphics card
[01:03] <portokaosol> since I think that there's no drivers for it
[01:04] <bill> portokaosol: what is the graphics card?
[01:05] <portokaosol> ATI ﻿Mobility Radeon 7000 IGP
[01:05] <bill> !ati | portokaosol
[01:07] <portokaosol> so basically, Restricted Driver Manager?
[01:07] <bill> portokaosol: yep
[01:08] <portokaosol> I've already tried it
[01:08] <portokaosol> nothing
[01:08] <portokaosol> I am thinking about trying a newer driver, a hope taht's it's backwards compatible
[01:12] <portokaosol> hey bill, I have another question for you
[01:12] <portokaosol> I managed to install another keyboard layout, but how do I rotate the languages?
[01:15] <bill> portokaosol: look at this page about your card - and sorry but I never change keyboard layouts so I don't know about that
[01:15] <bill> http://www.rage3d.com/Board/showthread.php?t=33905792
[01:17] <portokaosol> ok thx
[01:19] <portokaosol> bill, my renderiing is: NO
[01:20] <portokaosol> I'm gonna try to enable it
[01:24] <bill> portokaosol: I'll be right back
[01:39] <portokaosol> so bill
[01:40] <bill> portokaosol: does   lsmod | grep radeon   show anything
[01:41] <portokaosol> is that LSMOD
[01:41] <portokaosol> no, it won't return anything
[01:42] <bill> portokaosol: don't worry it won't - I have the ati rage card here using the r128 driver and it doesn't show
[01:42] <portokaosol> ok
[01:42] <bill> portokaosol: render = yes yet?
[01:42] <portokaosol> no
[01:43] <portokaosol> I also did
[01:43] <portokaosol> apt-get build-dep libdrm mesa
[01:43] <portokaosol> apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` git-core libxmu-dev x11proto-xf86vidmode-dev
[01:43] <portokaosol> cd /usr/src
[01:43] <portokaosol> git clone git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/mesa/drm
[01:43] <portokaosol> cd /usr/src/drm/linux-core
[01:43] <portokaosol> make DRM_MODULES="mach64"
[01:43] <portokaosol> cp /usr/src/drm/linux-core/*.ko /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers/char/drm/
[01:43] <portokaosol> depmod -ae
[01:43] <portokaosol> (sorry for the paste, but I doubt that anyone will mind)
[01:43] <bill> k
[01:45] <bill> portokaosol: I just did  -   sudo modprobe radeon   -  then changed the driver in /etc/X11/xorg.conf to r128 and restarted x
[01:46] <portokaosol> hold on, let me log in from that machine
[01:47] <raket2> now
[01:47] <raket2> here's what I got from that command
[01:47] <raket2> FATAL: Error inserting radeon (/lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/kernel/drivers/char/drm/radeon.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[01:50] <portokaosol2> bill: perhaps you would want to see what dmesg spits out?
[01:50] <bill> portokaosol: dmesg | tail   should do
[01:51] <portokaosol2> [  533.800426] radeon: disagrees about version of symbol drm_core_ioremap
[01:51] <portokaosol2> [  533.800430] radeon: Unknown symbol drm_core_ioremap
[01:51] <portokaosol2> [  533.800520] radeon: disagrees about version of symbol drm_mmap
[01:51] <portokaosol2> [  533.800543] radeon: Unknown symbol drm_mmap
[01:51] <portokaosol2> [  533.800669] radeon: disagrees about version of symbol drm_ati_pcigart_cleanup
[01:51] <portokaosol2> [  533.800673] radeon: Unknown symbol drm_ati_pcigart_cleanup
[01:51] <portokaosol2> [  533.800763] radeon: disagrees about version of symbol drm_core_reclaim_buffers
[01:51] <portokaosol2> [  533.800768] radeon: Unknown symbol drm_core_reclaim_buffers
[01:51] <portokaosol2> [  533.800843] radeon: disagrees about version of symbol drm_release
[01:51] <portokaosol2> [  533.800847] radeon: Unknown symbol drm_release
[01:52] <portokaosol2> in meantime, I'll write a letter to ati, and see what can I do
[01:53] <bill> portokaosol: doesn't look good that - see if ati sends a reply :)
[01:54] <portokaosol> I am trying a newer driver
[01:55] <portokaosol> (for a newer card)
[01:55] <bill> k
[01:55] <portokaosol> it would be awesome if it works
[02:19] <portokaosol> If there's anyone alive, how can I make 2 xubuntu machines network?
[02:48] <japherwocky> you could use the internet
[02:48] <japherwocky> or sshd
[02:49] <japherwocky> or samba?!
[03:14] <portokaosol> japherwocky: sorry I didn't see you
[03:14] <portokaosol> isn't samba only for windows?
[03:14] <portokaosol> btw, brb
[03:31] <Bill-Gates> http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=googlevsmssu8.png
[04:00] <gNewPower> A neighbor of mine is using Windoze XP.  He forgot his admin password.  I tried re-setting it with a Ubuntu live-CD using the "chntpw" application only to find out that it was not more in the Ubuntu repos.  What application in the latest version of Ubuntu can I use to reset this WXP password?
[04:18] <CHR> use BackTrack Live CD
[04:18] <CHR> hah, seriously though, I don't know
[05:02] <raket> hello everyone! I succesfully managed to create samba shares on both of my Xubuntu machines, now I only need to know how can I access them
[05:02] <raket> so could somebody help me, please?
[05:40] <aldrick> hello! how do i open a file as root? i need to edit a text document...
[05:42] <aldrick> hello! how do i open a file as root? i need to edit a text document...
[05:42] <Odd-rationale> !sudo | aldrick
[05:43] <Odd-rationale> aldrick: try "gksudo mousepad /file"
[05:44] <aldrick> thank you ill try it now
[05:47] <aldrick> you kick ass dude thanks!!! i thought i was going to have to reinstall xubuntu
[05:48] <Odd-rationale> aldrick: lol, it is simple...
[06:24] <japherwocky> is there a terminal program that will display more colors?
[07:10] <Standarsh> hi room
[07:11]  * Standarsh looks around for people
[07:11] <uda_> hey, i know this sounds quite stupid, but where is the volume control in xubuntu 8.04?
[07:12] <Standarsh> you uda_
[07:12] <Standarsh> I'm not on my xubuntu system now but I think it is under system
[07:13] <Standarsh> What I did was added the volume to the top panel for easy access
[07:14] <uda_> cant find it :/
[07:18] <Standarsh> alright, one sec
[07:18] <Standarsh> I'll go to my other computer
[07:18] <Standarsh> seeing as I have something I want to fix with it anyway
[07:18] <Standarsh> k?
[07:19] <uda_> yeah cheers
[07:23] <xStandarshy> waza
[07:29] <xStandarshy> hmm
[07:29] <xStandarshy> I'm trying to remember how I originally found it
[07:29] <xStandarshy> anyway
[07:29] <xStandarshy> I'll tell you how I do it now
[07:30] <xStandarshy> right click the top bar and select 'add new item'
[07:30] <xStandarshy> then go down to volume control
[07:32] <aldrick> hello! how can i find out what my current window manager is? i try to manage window settings and i get this pop up " These settings cannot work with your current window manager (unknown)"
[07:33] <xStandarshy> if you are using xubuntu, you should be on xfce
[07:33] <aldrick> but how come i get that pop up? also none of my windows have borders
[07:34] <aldrick> anyone?
[07:36] <aldrick> can anyone please throw some ideas as to why this would be happening?
[07:42] <xStandarshy> hhmm
[07:42] <xStandarshy> what are you tryin gto runÉ
[08:07] <xStandarshy> hi room
[08:07] <xStandarshy> is there any way to compine bne panelsÉ
[08:50] <AimLXJ> Hello I need help, apparantly my video card is not being detected.
[09:09] <Agnostic> ;)
[09:11] <gnyffel> Is there any reason the release notes for Xubuntu 8.04 seem to list PulseAudio, while my fresh install does in fact not run a PulseAudio server?
[09:23] <livingdaylight> AimLXJ: help is not available here
[12:01] <holyguyver_> what terminal cammand can I use to clean out my temp internet files & temp files?
[12:04] <GryzorX> holyguyver_: not sure why you'd want to do it in the terminal, but removing stuff inside /tmp and anyhing in home/.tmp might help. Also depending upon "what internet files" you want to delete, every program might use a diferent location.
[12:04] <GryzorX> other than that, clear your browser cache and you should be fine.
[12:05] <holyguyver_> Thank you, yes firefox & konqueror was both telling me that I had no more room for files in tmp
[12:06] <holyguyver_> If you remember I am the one on the 4GB harddrive
[12:09] <holyguyver_> GryzorX I cannot find the tmp folder in my home, & when I typed in /home/jack/tmp & home/jack/.tmp thunar would not take me anywhere.
[12:11] <GryzorX> holyguyver_: oh yeah, I remember you :)
[12:12] <GryzorX> holyguyver_: try sudo rm /tmp
[12:12] <GryzorX> sorry
[12:12] <GryzorX> sudo rm /tmp/*
[12:12] <GryzorX> what's the size of your swapfile?
[12:13] <holyguyver_> GryzorX : rm: cannot remove `/tmp': Is a directory & rm: cannot remove `/tmp/': Is a directory
[12:17] <GryzorX> holyguyver_: use the second ->> sudo rm /tmp/*
[12:18] <holyguyver_> GryzorX : rm: cannot remove `/tmp/gconfd-jack': Is a directory rm: cannot remove `/tmp/kde-jack': Is a directory rm: cannot remove `/tmp/keyring-0P1Zja': Is a directory rm: cannot remove `/tmp/ksocket-jack': Is a directory rm: cannot remove `/tmp/orbit-jack': Is a directory rm: cannot remove `/tmp/ssh-NCoeAk5150': Is a directory rm: cannot remove `/tmp/Tracker-jack.5242': Is a directory
[12:20] <GryzorX> holyguyver_: rm -rf /tmp/*
[12:20] <GryzorX> (append sudo)
[12:21] <holyguyver_> it did not write out any response to that request
[12:21] <holyguyver_> jack@jack-desktop:~$ sudo rm -rf /tmp/* (next line)jack@jack-desktop:~$
[12:21] <GryzorX> that means that it did it.
[12:21] <GryzorX> issue a df -h
[12:22] <GryzorX> to see your remaining space
[12:24] <holyguyver_> GryzorX Filesystem            Size 4.3G  Used 4.1G Avail 1.2M Use% 100% Mounted on/dev/sda2
[12:27] <GryzorX> holyguyver_: you've ran out of disk space
[12:27] <holyguyver_> GryzorX that is what I said
[12:28] <GryzorX> holyguyver_: i'd suggest that you remove stuff
[12:28] <holyguyver_> GryzorX There is nothing to remove besides tmp & xubuntu itself
[12:28] <GryzorX> packages.. remove packages
[12:28] <GryzorX> remove games
[12:29] <GryzorX> remove open office if you don't use it
[12:29] <GryzorX> remove remove
[12:29] <GryzorX> leave only bare bones :)
[12:29] <holyguyver_> GryzorX The only ones on are the preinstalled ones, there is no games, & I do use openoffice
[12:30] <holyguyver_> GryzorX something tells me that it did not delete tmp because as I said it gave no output for your last cammand for it.
[12:30] <holyguyver_> & yes I have already tried apt-get autoremove & autoclean
[12:32] <holyguyver_> GryzorX the only thing I can think of is deleting my pidgin logs might clear up space.
[12:32] <GryzorX> holyguyver_: unix commands tend not to output anything if everything goes ok.
[12:33] <GryzorX> particularly the rm command does not say anything unless there is an error (as you've seen before).
[12:33] <GryzorX> if you perform ls /tmp
[12:33] <GryzorX> you'll see that most stuff is gone.
[12:34] <GryzorX> on the other hand, the "preinstalled ones" may be too much for your slow and old hard drive. You might want to use synaptic or a simlar tool to see what you have and remove from there.
[12:34] <holyguyver_> Yap you are right, only 2 things remain
[12:34] <GryzorX> xubuntu comes with Abiword, if you don't want it, you might want to take that out too.
[12:34] <GryzorX> I mean, a plain Ubuntu install can go up to 2gb of stuff
[12:35] <GryzorX> mine, uses 4.3GB and I dont have too much stuff here.
[12:35] <GryzorX> also issue a reboot to make sure that the swap and stuff like that gets cleaned.
[12:35] <holyguyver_> So you are suggesting that I find even small apps like using xpdf instead of evince & stuff like that? & yes you are right I do have abiword.
[12:35] <GryzorX> yes, find duplicated apps and remove the one you don't use
[12:35] <GryzorX> you have limited hardware, you need to adapt to what you have.
[12:36] <GryzorX> use either firefox or epiphany...
[12:36] <GryzorX> remove everything that you don't use.
[12:37] <holyguyver_> Is it safe to remove something like tomboynotes?
[12:37] <GryzorX> it should
[12:37] <GryzorX> issue
[12:38] <GryzorX> the command and see what is going to remove
[12:38] <GryzorX> if you see something you use.. then don.t :)
[12:38] <GryzorX> ubuntu comes with games
[12:38] <GryzorX> you may want to remove them
[12:38] <holyguyver_> All I can say is that I am happy that in a few days I will be getting that brand new HP with the 320GB harddrive :p
[12:39] <GryzorX> :)
[12:39] <GryzorX> gratz
[12:39] <holyguyver_> As I said I already removed games a long time ago
[12:40] <holyguyver_> Hey you are in luck, you are the only person who has ever seen the terminal evadance to prive that I am on a 4GB harddrive :p
[12:40] <holyguyver_> prove*
[12:40] <GryzorX> Got a screen shot :)
[12:40] <holyguyver_> A screenshot of what?
[12:40] <GryzorX> you saying that ;)
[12:42] <holyguyver_> honostly I don't think I will be using Gimp or OO.o in the next 3 days :p
[12:43] <holyguyver_> I mean for the next 3 days, so forth I can delete those until I get the new system
[12:44] <holyguyver_> GryzorX what do you think?
[12:45] <GryzorX> holyguyver_: definitely.
[12:46] <GryzorX> holyguyver_: remove all non-essential stuff
[12:46] <GryzorX> holyguyver_: and leave only the things you use.
[12:46] <GryzorX> holyguyver_: you can always add them later if you need.
[12:47] <holyguyver_> GryzorX I do use gimp * OO.o but as said I don't think I will need to use them for the next 3 days & after that I will have a much larger hardrive on a brand new machine :)
[12:48] <GryzorX> holyguyver_: then do your cleaning job :)
[12:50] <holyguyver_> remooving OO.o impress calc & math cleared up 27m
[12:51] <GryzorX> holyguyver_: keep going :)
[12:52] <GryzorX> holyguyver_: I gotta go. Will be back later. Good luck with that.
[12:53] <holyguyver_> Thank you
[12:53] <GryzorX> you're welcome.
[13:37] <suriro> Is system beep related to sound card / alsa?
[13:38] <suriro> this notebook produces all sorts of sounds but the system beep. I see pcspkr module loaded in lsmod output.
[13:41] <suriro> basically, I expect to hear a beep when I echo $'\a' in terminal/console. But no sound...
[16:56] <zoredache> !opera
[17:33] <Don_Miguel> cody-somerville: brief PM please ?
[17:34] <Don_Miguel> !paste
[17:39] <cody-somerville> Don_Miguel, ho ahead
[17:40] <cody-somerville> *go
[19:30] <japherwocky> is there a way to move windows onto another desktop?
[19:57] <Ben_Cs> hello
[20:05] <asizemore> hey
[20:05] <asizemore> how do I get the mount utility?
[20:06] <japherwocky> maybe sudo apt-get install mount
[20:06] <japherwocky> that seems like something that comes with the system though
[20:07] <asizemore> well, I meant launch some kind of gui thingy
[20:07] <asizemore> I haven't had to deal with mounts in forever
[20:09] <asizemore> actually, I'll bbl
[20:21] <d0xda> hello
[20:22] <d0xda> there's a problem with the xubuntu 8.04 while installing through windows 2000 professional
[20:24] <TheSheep> !bugs
[20:25] <d0xda> okay the details is like this before i try to file the report
[20:25] <d0xda> when installing, it says that its copying the image to the hard drive
[20:26] <d0xda> when it finishes it says that make sure no other programs are using the drive (cd-rom)
[20:26] <d0xda> however, there are very few programs running which are not related to the drive except wubi.exe
[20:27] <japherwocky> so you're saying that all the programs are using the drive?!
[20:27] <d0xda> no
[20:27] <d0xda> i meant none
[20:27] <d0xda> EXCEPT wubi.exe of course
[20:27] <TheSheep> it somehow misdetects that
[20:27] <d0xda> in what way?
[20:27] <TheSheep> do you have an explorer window with the drive open perchance?
[20:27] <d0xda> nope
[20:27] <TheSheep> that would also qualify as an application using the drive
[20:27] <d0xda> no antivirus programs also
[20:28] <d0xda> yes
[20:28] <d0xda> but its closed also
[20:28] <d0xda> tried more than 3 times and i'm out of luck
[20:28] <d0xda> surprisingly i installed ubuntu it worked
[20:28] <d0xda> there's no such error
[20:28] <slow-motion> hi
[20:28] <d0xda> only xubuntu's giving this error
[20:28] <d0xda> :|
[20:28] <d0xda> hi
[20:29] <TheSheep> d0xda: you could install the console-only version of ubuntu and then install xubuntu-desktop on it, it would be the same as installing from xubuntu cd
[20:29] <d0xda> has anyone of you encountered this error before?
[20:30] <TheSheep> no windows here, so I never used wubi
[20:30] <d0xda> er.... it would be harder unfortunately. i would much prefer to use wubi because of its simplicity
[20:31] <d0xda> with wubi, i am able to access those two OS'es easily
[20:31] <TheSheep> I meant installing the ubuntu command line with wubi, and then adding xubuntu to it
[20:31] <TheSheep> you can also install xubuntu to an ubuntu install
[20:32] <d0xda> okay
[20:32] <d0xda> i got what you mean there
[20:33] <d0xda> =( however, even my ubuntu passed that wubi installation
[20:33] <d0xda> it can't even boot up
[20:33] <d0xda> there's an error
[20:33] <d0xda> if i am not mistaken the error code is 15
[20:33] <d0xda> cannot find the file
[20:34] <d0xda> i couldn't even boot up ubuntu successfully
[20:34] <d0xda> =(
[20:34] <d0xda> it haven't even pass the GUI
[20:36] <TheSheep> ah, I know this one
[20:36] <TheSheep> grub error 15
[20:36] <d0xda> yes
[20:36] <d0xda> error 15
[20:36] <TheSheep> it means you have a large disk in a fairly old computer, and that computer cannot boot if the file from which it boots is not near the beginning of the disk
[20:37] <japherwocky> nice
[20:37] <d0xda> okay and how to solve this?
[20:37] <TheSheep> you usually work around it by making a small partition for the /boot directory near the beginning of the disk
[20:37] <d0xda> basically the partition that i installed this ubuntu is only approximately 10GB
[20:38] <d0xda> TheSheep: er...... can elaborate on your previous sentence?
[20:38] <TheSheep> d0xda: but it's not the first one on the disk, right?
[20:38] <d0xda> yes
[20:38] <d0xda> its not the 1st
[20:38] <TheSheep> there is a lot of information and workarounds when you google for 'grub error 15'
[20:39] <d0xda> why does this happen? doesn't xubuntu supports large hard disks?
[20:40] <d0xda> by the fact its system requirements aren't that low to be in consideration with
[20:40] <TheSheep> no, wait,scratch what I said, it was grub error 8
[20:40] <japherwocky> aww :(
[20:40] <d0xda> :S
[20:40] <d0xda> :-/
[20:41] <TheSheep> the problem was that when the booting happens, there is no ubuntu loaded yet, the computer is in control of its BIOS, and older BIOSes didn't support large disks
[20:41] <TheSheep> but yours is something else -- for some reason the kernel files seems to be missing, or at least grub can't find them to start your system
[20:42] <d0xda> yes
[20:42] <d0xda> its that problem
[20:42] <d0xda> hold on i verify the error again
[20:43] <d0xda> Error 15 --- File not found
[20:43] <d0xda> when its saying
[20:43] <TheSheep> d0xda: I found this on the forums: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=497138
[20:44] <d0xda> okay
[20:44] <d0xda> i'll try to low format it first
[20:45] <TheSheep> nah
[20:45] <TheSheep> that was a bad advice, imho
[20:45] <d0xda> oh
[20:45] <TheSheep> the next one was good though
[20:45] <d0xda> okay
[20:45] <TheSheep> the one with menu.lst
[20:46] <TheSheep> (type xfce4-terminal instead of 'konsole')
[20:46] <d0xda> okay i'll try the last solution
[20:46] <TheSheep> and it's /usr/share, not /usr/sare
[20:47] <d0xda> okay so should i go to the terminal now? from grub
[20:47] <TheSheep> no, you need to boot a livecd
[20:48] <TheSheep> then you can access the disk on which your ubuntu is installed and put the menu.lst into /boot/grub/menu.lst
[20:49] <d0xda> ok i've booted from the live-cd
[20:49] <d0xda> should i start ubuntu from the cd?
[20:50] <TheSheep> d0xda: yes
[20:51] <d0xda> ok
[20:54] <d0xda> ok now i open the terminal
[20:54] <d0xda> then
[20:55] <d0xda> i type xfce-4-terminal?
[20:55] <d0xda> *xfce4-terminal
[20:56] <TheSheep> no
[20:56] <TheSheep> that just opens the terminal :)
[20:57] <d0xda> oh....
[20:57] <TheSheep> do you see your disk with xubuntu installed in the file manager?
[20:57] <d0xda> yes
[20:58] <d0xda> i see my ubuntu installation folder
[20:58] <d0xda> in the partition (drive) that i've installed
[20:58] <d0xda> but i don't see a "boot" folder in there
[20:58] <TheSheep> ok, there should be a boot directory there
[20:58] <TheSheep> and a grub directory in it
[20:59] <d0xda> in the ubuntu folder?
[20:59] <d0xda> the boot directory and grub directory should be in where?
[20:59] <TheSheep> no,on that partition
[20:59] <d0xda> the root partition?
[20:59] <d0xda> of that drive?
[20:59] <TheSheep> yes
[20:59] <TheSheep> yes
[21:00] <d0xda> nope i can't see it
[21:00] <TheSheep> the one where you installed xubuntu
[21:00] <TheSheep> not the cd drive
[21:00] <d0xda> yes
[21:00] <d0xda> not the cd drive
[21:00] <d0xda> its the hard disk partition
[21:01] <TheSheep> you have directories like bin, lib, usr, var in it, right?
[21:03] <d0xda> nope
[21:03] <d0xda> i only see 3 files/folders in that partition
[21:03] <d0xda> ubuntu - folder
[21:03] <d0xda> wubildr - file
[21:03] <d0xda> wubildr.mbr - file
[21:03] <d0xda> that's all
[21:04] <d0xda> those directories you mentioned are all in the File System only
[21:08] <TheSheep> d0xda: ah, so it's all inside that file
[21:08] <TheSheep> d0xda: sorrym I don't know how to get into it
[21:09] <d0xda> never mind
[21:10] <TheSheep> d0xda: found this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=685356
[21:10] <d0xda> oh
[21:13] <d0xda> er
[21:13] <d0xda> actually i am not very familiar with linux
[21:13] <d0xda> anyway i've tried this way
[21:14] <d0xda> by entering sudo cp /usr/share/doc/grub/examples/menu.lst /boot/grub
[21:14] <TheSheep> no, it won't work if you installed with wubi
[21:15] <TheSheep> that was for a regular install
[21:15] <d0xda> oh i see
[21:15] <d0xda> did u look at the last post in the forum you showed me?
[21:15] <TheSheep> this latter forum post is for wubu though
[21:15] <TheSheep> yes
[21:15] <d0xda> wubu?
[21:16] <TheSheep> they write that it might be coused by old config file for wubi
[21:16] <TheSheep> wubi
[21:16] <TheSheep> sorry
[21:16] <d0xda> no problem
[21:16] <d0xda> er but my case is a clean install
[21:16] <TheSheep> I suppose xubuntu has the older version :/
[21:16] <d0xda> would it be the same problem?
[21:16] <TheSheep> it could be
[21:17] <TheSheep> you could trying searching the forums some more, but that's definitely a bug to be reported
[21:17] <d0xda> should i try this ATM?
[21:17] <d0xda> sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[21:17] <TheSheep> the developers might contact you with a workaround after you report the bug too
[21:18] <TheSheep> d0xda: you don;'t have access to the /boot directory, because it's inside one of these wubi files
[21:18] <TheSheep> d0xda: packed
[21:18] <d0xda> okay
[21:18] <d0xda> got that
[21:18] <TheSheep> you would need to actually have this system runningto get inside it
[21:18] <TheSheep> or maybe there are some tools to access it from outaside
[21:18] <d0xda> to get inside what?
[21:18] <TheSheep> outside
[21:19] <TheSheep> the files that actually contain your installation
[21:19] <d0xda> oh
[21:19] <TheSheep> they are like a cd image
[21:19] <d0xda> okay
[21:19] <d0xda> when these bugs are fixed, will they come out another revised version?
[21:19] <d0xda> like 8.05 or something?
[21:21] <TheSheep> no, critical bugs will be fixed in 8.04 directly (and internet updates), non-critical ones will wait for 8.10
[21:21] <TheSheep> (the version number is the release date)
[21:21] <d0xda> oh okay
[21:21] <TheSheep> 8.05 is may 2008
[21:22] <d0xda> you mean there is really a 8.05 version coming out?
[21:22] <TheSheep> no
[21:22] <TheSheep> sorry
[21:23] <TheSheep> 8.04 is April 2008
[21:23] <d0xda> oh
[21:23] <TheSheep> that's what I meant :)
[21:23] <TheSheep> there is a release every 6 months
[21:23] <d0xda> okay
[21:24] <d0xda> can you give me the link to report bugs to the technical support so that they can help me as you said before? =)
[21:51] <TheSheep> !bugs
[21:51] <TheSheep> argh
[21:51] <TheSheep> he left
[22:01] <slow-motion> n8
[22:51] <gotisch> Hey i have a problem with hipo the ipod manager when i start it it keeps crashing with the error message: unable to open the session message bus. : Argument can not be null see paste: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11740/ any ideas?
[23:39] <PsynoKhi0> hey