=== pgquiles__ is now known as pgquiles [02:21] how does the /KDE3 thing in kickoff work? [02:28] yuriy: appname/kde3 ?? [02:28] I think it works the same way as it does with krunner [02:28] right now I am trying to get greasemonkey scripts working in konqi [02:35] nixternal: which is? :P [02:36] greasemonkey is a neat little scripting utility for firefox...there are a couple of scripts that I would like to use with Konqi since I hate FF [02:36] nixternal: I was looking at bug 218138 and wondering if it has anything to do with how those desktop files are generated [02:36] Launchpad bug 218138 in kdegames "unable to launch atlantik in kde4" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218138 [02:36] nixternal: i meant about the /KDE3 thing [02:37] * nixternal tries it really quick [02:37] ya, you can type 'appname/kde3' in the search box if that is what you are talking about and it will pull up the kde3 app that is in kickoff somewhere [02:38] hmm running kwin4 without desktop effects for a couple hours now without memory leaks [02:38] nixternal: what does that have to do with... [02:39] what other thing do you mean by /KDE3 thing? [02:39] i'm wondering if kde4 uses separate .desktop files, or how that gets added on [02:39] specifically i'm trying to track down why atlantik won't launch from the menu [02:40] kde4 .desktop get installed to /usr/share/applications/kde4/ [02:40] kde3 .desktop get installed to /usr/share/applications/kde [02:41] Exec=atlantik -caption "%c" %i %m [02:41] get rid of the %m as it is deprecated, that could cause an issue in KDE 4 [02:44] nixternal: what does %m do? [02:45] nope, that isn't it... %m doesn't do anything now...for a long time actually [02:45] and that didn't help, krunner still says could not launch /usr/bin/atlantik [02:45] which is the wrong path [02:47] I wonder if that is related to DCOP garbage [02:50] hrmm, ya, I don't even see a /usr/bin/atlantik [02:51] nixternal: it's /usr/games/atlantik [02:51] * yuriy wonders why /usr/games exists [02:51] that doesn't seem right to me [02:52] fortune, glest, and banner are there too [02:52] nixternal@ShakaDoobie:~/downloads$ ls /usr/games/ [02:52] atlantik banner espdiff fortune gnuchess gnuchessx ksudoku openttd xmoto [03:01] yuriy: ksudoku doesn't work either [03:01] actually, none of them do [03:03] interesting, xmoto works though, but there is nothing different about the .desktop file [03:14] + if (kde3application && !m_strExec.startsWith("/")) [03:15] + m_strExec = "/usr/bin/"+m_strExec; [03:15] what is that in? [03:15] nixternal: from kubuntu_01_kde3_menu_applications.diff from kde4libs [03:15] ahhh [03:15] that be da problem [03:17] while that line is pretty hacky, i think the proper fix would be to actually have the games in /usr/bin [03:20] hmm not sure how to go about fixing in in kdelibs [03:30] nixternal: i could go by if it's in the games category, if this is true for all kde3 games [03:32] but that isn't true for all kde3 games, just 2 that I can see right now [03:34] nixternal: all of them get installed to /usr/games that I can see [03:35] really? [03:35] grep /usr/games *.install [03:36] you are right === santiago-php is now known as santiago- === santiago- is now known as santiago-ve [03:43] umm i'm gonna have to learn quilt won't I [03:51] * yuriy never got the point of QStringList [04:02] hey, do we use Kickstart for our CDs? [04:03] I may have a possible job as an appliance packager/distro maintainer/embedded development [04:03] so kool :) [04:03] (hope they will pay you to work on Kubuntu/KDE docs :D) [04:05] how come when I do dch -i on hardy, it puts intrepid and ~hardy2ubuntu1? should i change that to hardy and ~hardy3? [04:05] hah, that I doubt...seem like a lot of work, and it is a Free and Open Source company :) [04:05] s/hardy/hardy-backports [04:06] should be -xubuntux~hardyx [04:06] what was the last version? [04:07] also, since 4.0.4 is in backports and not updates, does that mean any other fixes such as this need to go to backports and not updates? [04:07] nixternal: 0ubuntu1~hardy2 [04:07] umm, we are sending backports to PPA right now [04:07] 0ubuntu1~hardy3 [04:08] nixternal: so if somebody doesn't enable backports, they don't get any bug fixes now unless we apply patches to both 4.0.3 and 4.0.4? [04:08] correct [04:08] yuriy: You can do SRUs for 4.0.3 if needed. [04:08] though, bug fixes should go into update, however 4.0.4 went into backports === gnomefre1k is now known as gnomefreak [04:29] * yuriy looks through the kde4libs changelog and wonders if he an nixternal are the only ones using @kubuntu.org and not @ubuntu.com [04:30] heh [04:31] * Jucato uses @kubuntu.org... but you know how often I make patches :) [04:34] stdin: how come some of these bugs didn't get closed by your patches? [04:36] yuriy: which ones? [04:37] stdin: bug 220659, bug 220653 [04:37] Launchpad bug 220659 in kdeartwork-kde4 "kscreensaver-kde4 recommends kwin and kscreensaver-xsavers" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220659 [04:37] Launchpad bug 220653 in kdewebdev-kde4 "[KDE 4] klinkstatus-kde4 Suggests quanta-kde4" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220653 [04:40] not sure [04:41] maybe -backports doesn't get automatic closure [04:42] it does [04:42] when Riddell uploaded kde4libs it closed out some last week [04:43] well the (LP: #....) bits are in the changelogs [04:44] oh [04:44] I know why [04:44] because they were built in PPA and then ported over to -backports [04:44] maybe because I put hardy instead of hardy-backports [04:44] s/I/the changelog/ [04:44] no, you put hardy-backports [04:45] I made sure to check them first [04:46] then I assign all blame to you ;) [04:46] nah, the reason was we built them in the PPA because it was faster than -backports at the time [04:46] and then just copied over the binaries and source packages to -backports [04:47] -backports uploads won't close bugs. [04:47] ya they will, they closed out the kde4libs bugs last week [04:48] Hmmm. [04:48] OK. I've never seen it. It doesn't come up in normal backports I guess. [04:49] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/+bug/225773 [04:49] Launchpad bug 225773 in kde4libs "[Hardy Backport] KDE 4 Libs New Upstream Release (4.0.4)" [Undecided,Fix released] [04:50] ya, probably not..but if you fix a bug and close it when uploading to intrepid, it should still close the bug before getting the backport [04:50] now if you file the backport bug and go the normal route, then I don't know..probably not I would guess [04:51] Normally for a backport bug the archive-admin doing the backport closes it when he does it. [05:10] *sigh* libqt4-dev missing dep on libpng12-dev [05:10] * stdin files another bug [05:25] ok, just 150 backlogged bugs left [05:25] damn dying ubotu :( [05:39] ok, from what I can tell libqt4-dev is missing libaudio-dev, libglib2.0-dev, libice-dev, libmng-dev and libpng12-dev, but I'm not sure if it's missing anything else [05:45] oh no... all that time building, and i forgot a / [05:46] if anyone finds anything else libqt4-dev is missing report it on bug 229813 [05:46] Launchpad bug 229813 in qt4-x11 "libqt4-dev seems to have some missing dependencies" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/229813 [05:48] nixternal: shakadoobie? really? [05:49] can i tell pbuilder to do make -j3? or does it do it automatically? [05:52] Hi Jucato [05:53] ubottu took over from ubugtu as well? [05:53] DaSkreech: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [05:55] DaSkreech: ?? [05:55] ahh, my lappy name...where did you see that? [05:55] ubotu is gone, ubottu is supposed to be a temporary fill-in [05:55] nixternal: your paste above. i thought it was slightly amusing too [05:56] stdin: Yes I just noticed it picked up for ubugtu as well [05:56] ubugtu has been dead for a long time now [05:57] my paste above? [05:58] oh, ya I see it [05:58] * yuriy builds again and sleeps [06:09] woohoo, interview tomorrow baby! [06:29] good [morning|day|evening|night]! [06:30] Serega: It's not goo [06:30] d [06:31] DaSkreech: bah, why? [06:31] btw, looks like I failed to install 4.0.4 - all aboutboxes show 4.0.3 [06:32] Serega: that is a bug in the kde4libs we have...they released a fix after we uploaded the original 4.0.4 [06:32] and apt shows kdelibs5 Version: 4:4.0.3-0ubuntu5 [06:32] hrmm [06:33] ii kdelibs5 4:4.0.4-0ubuntu1 core libraries for all KDE 4 applications [06:33] Serega: apt-cache show kde4libs-bin [06:33] mine does too, but dpkg -l shows it correctly [06:33] ah.. Version: 4:4.0.4-0ubuntu1~hardy1 [06:34] I see three package kde4libs [06:34] * Serega is a bit confused [06:34] apt-cache is probably a mess like always [06:35] never depend on it [06:35] * Serega tries to update one more time [06:36] * Serega was up to date :) [06:36] nixternal: so is it really 4.0.4? [06:36] * DaSkreech updates and gets amarok-nightly [06:37] * Serega envys [06:37] Serega: yes [06:38] *is being jealous of amarok-nightly :) [06:38] nixternal: thank you very much for hard work on this packages! [06:39] I didn't do anything, fortunately for you I guess :) [06:45] does anyone know how to fix the problem of having weird font/italic numbers in my typing? Only the numbers mind, the rest is fine... [06:45] hrmm, now that is a first that I have heard of that one [06:47] nixternal: its not just the typing, its other places also, but very weird [06:47] there has to be a silly setting somewhere [06:48] nixternal: example here: http://imagebin.ca/view/O_sUrx7R.html [06:49] wth [06:49] now that is crazy stuff right there [06:50] yep [07:16] guys what phonon backend do you use? [07:19] Phonon doesn't even remotely work for me [07:19] but xine [07:25] DaSkreech: it doesn't even locally work for me :) [07:25] Phonon tells me I have no sound hardware [07:25] I try to figure out why, but found nothing better then a tuning switches in kmix [07:26] DaSkreech: bu does it work? [07:26] *but [07:26] I've had sound for months. Just never occured to me none of it was from KDE [07:26] SO no :) [07:27] how can I see its state? logs or maybe with HAL... somehow [07:27] heh :) [07:27] Dunno I probably should find out [07:27] ah... ok, I'll dig :) [07:28] cool :) [07:28] I just know that nothing with KDE sound works [07:28] +1 [07:28] :) [07:28] Someone asked how long does the login/logout sound play for [07:28] The what now? [07:29] I've been missing login sounds [07:29] *frowny face* [07:29] * Serega hugs DaSkreech [07:30] DaSkreech: buut... why do you need amarok-nightly though? ;) [07:31] To test it [07:31] same reason I'm on KDE 4 :) [07:31] Bug Stepping Boots need some working [07:32] ah, I'm the same, actually [07:34] I actually didn't install anything from kde-multimedia-kde4 [07:34] I've been installing KDE4 in bits so I can focus my testing [08:03] nixternal: Hey [08:18] DaSkreech: Amarok2 plays for me!!! [08:18] * Serega dances under Spiderbait - BlackBetty played in amarok2 [08:19] *envy* [08:19] What did you do? [08:19] First [08:20] before you did anything when you went to System Settings -> Sound did you have a choice of hardware ? [08:20] just apt-get isntall amarok-nightly [08:20] no systemsetting was touched [08:20] :-P [08:20] Well can you look now? [08:20] btw, no 4.0.4 application play sound though [08:21] ok, sec... [08:21] DaSkreech: yes, I have but all devices are grayed, as usual [08:21] Ok [08:21] I don't have any devices at all [08:21] do you have the same? [08:21] ah.. [08:22] Nope it's fully blank [08:22] now I have a hope 4.1 will work with my sound hardware with np however [08:23] cool, amarok even crashed! [08:23] :-) [08:23] Mine opened two days ago with a playlist that said This is a Bug! [08:23] I loled [08:24] :-D [08:24] "It is not a bug it is a feature" (c) [08:24] Serega: do you have any full albums ? [08:24] what do you mean by "full albums"? [08:25] Lots of songs from one album :) [08:25] well... 15-20 is usual [08:26] I can make a "compilation" :) [08:26] is it a known bug? [08:27] No I was going to show you something cool [08:27] Load up a whole set that have the same Album [08:27] how many songs do we need? [08:28] 4-5 should be good [08:28] you'll noticee that you get a ballon around all of them with the album name at top [08:28] ah... I have many albums with >10 songs. So I have added a couple to hte playlist [08:29] yess! [08:29] it is very cool! [08:29] If you have a commercial album you get the picture of the album cover [08:29] I have noticed it [08:29] Ok now get a song that's not from the album and drop it in the middle of that list [08:29] but I do not get the pictures, though they're lay in the same directories downloaded [08:30] he-he [08:30] it is clever! [08:30] my song have appeared at the end of albums [08:31] Drag it up into the middle of the album [08:31] haha [08:31] really cool! [08:31] That's brilliant [08:31] I love amarok! [08:32] when they start having plasma stuff linked to the kdelibs plasma I fear the coolness that they can do [08:32] standalone" [08:32] "standalone" playlist items look very good [08:32] I can see all needed info in a small piece of space [08:33] :-) [08:33] Yeah [08:33] If it wasn't so horrible to me the first day I would have fully forgotten that I was bug hunting [08:33] * Serega wants to KDE4.1 ..any prealpha :) [08:34] * Serega jumps and honks "gimme a cutting edge!" [08:35] Ha ha cutting edge will make you bleed right now [08:35] you need an alpha ++ svn [08:37] ok, I will make the furure nearer by doing own part - 'gdebi-kde4' - for now :) [08:38] I want 4.2 "_" [08:38] kde4.2? [08:39] ohhh... "Stop after curent track" mmm.... [08:39] it is usability itself [08:40] What is? [08:42] Stop after current track is usabilty ? [08:45] it is very useful feature imho [08:45] autoclosing dialogs now are stopping their timers when I mouseover them [08:50] they always did that [08:50] wel not always always but it's been there a while [09:07] Serega: Night [09:07] DaSkreech: nini! [09:27] hmm, sound (front headset output) is not good with 8.04 (3.5.9) - one of the channels is way too slow, and in general it seems like old levels weren't kept after upgrade [09:27] *way too low*, not slow ... [09:32] and trying to adjust the balance in KMixer lowers Master if I drag it to the right (?) doesn't have any actual balance effect though - Intel hardware [10:01] nixternal: yes we have kickstart compatibility === davmor2 is now known as davmor2_away [11:06] hmm, Pulling Master, PCM, and Front to the bottom, then back seems to have fixed the sound === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde [13:24] Riddell: davigno said he is interested in helping with the website :) [13:27] kool! [13:28] * jtechidna knows XHTML and CSS, but not php or javascript anything [13:29] davigno does some awesome websites [13:29] nixternal: best talk to ryanakca then, he's the one doing the website [13:29] If you guys need more hands I could see if I could be of help. (I'm assuming we're talking Kubuntu website?) [13:30] morning [13:30] ryanakca: davigno is interested in helping with the website [13:30] brb [13:30] mornin' jjesse [13:31] moin [13:31] nixternal: the main problem with the website currently is technical [13:32] evening Jucato [13:33] ryanakca: if you need some technical help with the site, let me know [13:33] <|Artemis_Fowl|> nixternal: which site? [13:34] his "special site" [13:35] it's more the sysadmins that need to do it [13:49] Riddell: ahh, gotcha...good luck with the sys admins :p === davmor2_away is now known as davmor2 [14:13] <\sh> hmmm.... [14:13] <\sh> is it just me, or is konversation running inside kde4 not honouring the default webbrowser url handler? [14:14] it should honor kde3's default web browser [14:14] <\sh> which means, konversation starts now a konsole + w3m [14:14] heh [14:14] ya, w3m is the way of the future! [14:14] who needs graphics anyways, ascii pr0n is better! [14:15] <\sh> oh yeah...ascii pr0n [14:15] w3m rocks! [14:15] :) [14:15] nixternal: you know of a tool to asciify your pic in penguicon? :) [14:15] your *compromising* pic :) [14:15] :) [14:16] <\sh> oh did I report, that evolution + exchange plugin + kde4 runs much better then under gnome? ,-) [14:16] hehe, can't say that I do, and I would like to keep it that way [14:16] I gave evolution a shot the past week and I just do not like it when compared to Kontact/KMail [14:16] there are a couple of cool features though that I passed on [14:17] <\sh> nixternal: as always..I have a exchange mail server inhouse..and evolution does work with the webfrontend questioning very well... [14:18] <\sh> kmail does not let me even show my exchange calendar...whereas evolution does nicely...:) [14:18] ahh, ya that is what I have heard [14:18] 08:18:15 [ winterz] Bille: I was convinced because eventually we want a mailody plugin for Kontact [14:18] * Jucato is annoyed at kdepim right now... won't comment :) [14:18] toma rocks! [14:19] * jjesse is annoyed and won't commet at all [14:19] a mailody plugin for Kontact means killer IMAPage [14:19] hm.. might be a good chance for me to test mailody + gmail IMAP [14:19] commet!!! [14:19] I mean comet [14:19] * jjesse slaps nixternal [14:19] :D [14:19] * Jucato tackles jjesse for slapping nixternal [14:19] booyah! [14:19] <\sh> nixternal: which does claws-mail for me until kmail or whatever mail app we will have in 4.1 is being fixed to work with highvolume imap online folders ;) [14:19] * Jucato takes down Jucato for tackling jjesse for slapping nixternal [14:19] got my security watching my back [14:20] bring it [14:20] damn, and my security is bipolar [14:20] his alter ego beat his other ego up [14:38] \sh: I've seen similar behaviour regarding konversation/kde4 handling of URLs [14:38] (there's no konversation for kde4 yet) [14:39] kopete handing irc yet? [14:39] Juacato; the kde3 app running on kde4 desktop [14:39] sorry should have been clearer [14:39] behaviour seems to be semi-random for me, sometimes I get firefox, sometimes konqueror [14:39] I think that's what \sh meant earlier too. [14:40] quassel works fine with urls and default browsers in kde4 :D [14:40] that was my understanding yes [14:40] apples and oranges :) [14:40] jussi01: quassel? [14:40] * jussi01 hugs quassel [14:40] Arby: www.quassel-irc.org [14:40] Arby: in my repo if you care to try it [14:41] * Jucato tries to take down jussi01's repo [14:41] oh.. where's jussio1? [14:41] Jucato: he is on holidays [14:41] jussi01: seems worth a look anyway [14:41] ah [14:41] good for him :) [14:41] Arby: I use it every day as my regular client. [14:42] I've been lookig for a gui equivalent to irssi+screen for a while [14:42] I think I'll give it a go when I get home [14:42] Arby: my repo's version has a few extra alias's for helping with op stuff [14:42] Konvi + IRC bouncer/proxy [14:42] * Jucato hugs miau :) [14:42] which I still have to explore.... [14:43] * Hobbsee looks up miau [14:43] irc bouncer.. which I chose solely on the basis of its name :) [14:43] I use it in tandem with konvi to achieve a "quassel effect" [14:43] ah, yes [14:43] looks like bip :) [14:44] uh oh. [14:44] * Hobbsee can't work next week, but has probably been rostered on [14:44] :P [14:44] work is for poor people (or people w/o mothers to support them) :P [14:45] hahah [14:48] * DaSkreech wakes up to work [14:50] Jucato: ping [14:51] DaSkreech: pong [14:51] Jucato: carols_ust ? [14:51] *cough* [14:51] * Jucato debates whether he should say yes... [14:51] Without obvious spelling errors [14:51] so what are you asking me really? [14:52] I tried to add you early this week [14:52] hm.. what yahoo ID? [14:52] skreechtwo [14:52] hm. haven't received any notification (kopete seems to be like that...) [14:52] Grrr [14:52] of course, unless you typoed my id [14:53] I typo very well :) [14:54] * DaSkreech reattempts his attempt [15:05] damn openssl security crap...I can't ssh into anything right now...everyone closed it down [15:10] nixternal: what's up with the Qt 4.4 regressions ? [15:11] no idea [15:12] nixternal: Is bug 225213 fix released yet? [15:12] Launchpad bug 225213 in kdeartwork-kde4 "wrong wallpapers in kdewallpapers-kde4" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/225213 [15:13] jtechidna: it was backported I believe, so yes....all I did was change the description to fix it [15:13] ok, I'll close it then [15:19] <\sh> whatever quassel is [15:20] \sh: Sputs IRC program [15:20] rocks [15:20] (when it is a little more mature than it is now) [15:21] <\sh> Nightrose: looks promising... [15:21] it is ;-) [15:21] <\sh> Nightrose: but that I said to myself, too, when I started with kmyirc ;() [15:21] ;-) [15:21] <\sh> bah not in ubuntu [15:21] well i trust Sput and the rest of them to do it [15:22] it is in jussi01's ppa [15:22] and an older version in apachelogger's [15:22] <\sh> I was thinking about re-writing kmyirc with pyqt4 [15:22] <\sh> Nightrose: url pls :) [15:22] hmm sec [15:23] deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/jussi01/ubuntu hardy main [15:23] :) [15:23] gets updated fairly often [15:23] <\sh> jussi01: 0.2 beta1? [15:23] yeah [15:24] \sh: apachelogger didn't add it in the official repos yet as it was not beta [15:24] don't know what it is now [15:24] 0.3 will be out soonish [15:24] ah cool [15:24] #quassel is their irc channel if you need someone :) [15:26] nixternal: I have a fix for the games thing [15:26] <\sh> argl [15:26] <\sh> it doesn't like dircproxy ;) [15:27] <\sh> it can't connect to a irc proxy with username+password != socks proxy [15:27] \sh: ask sput - the are some hidden thing still I think - so you might be able to do it [15:27] *there [15:27] not sure though [15:28] <\sh> argl...I need quassel-core [15:28] \sh: it should install if you apt-get quassel [15:28] you just then connect to localhost [15:29] * Nightrose has the core on a fellow amarok devs box - pretty neat - though i am back to irssi for now and waiting for quassel to mature [15:30] Nightrose: yeah, I have the core on my server [15:30] :) [15:30] yuriy: rock on...going down for a bit...my new Internet is here :) [15:30] see ya later! [15:31] <\sh> cool..it works when you understand the system ;) [15:32] :P [15:32] <\sh> but now I have quassel-client -> quassel-core -> connection to dircproxy on server x [15:32] I got to pick my wife up, back in a bit [15:33] patch attached to bug 218138 [15:33] Launchpad bug 218138 in kde4libs "unable to launch atlantik in kde4" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218138 [15:33] \sh: the are static cores for servers on quassel-irc.org/nightly [15:34] <\sh> jussi01: well I'll test it now first :) [15:39] <\sh> Nightrose: something new from openexpo? [15:39] nope [15:39] are you waiting for anything specific? [15:44] <\sh> Nightrose: well, actually that they start to spread the news...there is nothing to hear about this event [15:44] \sh: sven said there was stuff in ct and linux magazine for example [15:45] <\sh> who reads ct or linux-magazin? ;) [15:45] and they are doing promo for the other event that is at the same time [15:45] hehe [15:45] right [15:45] sven obviously [16:12] have you seen this: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2008/msg00152.html ? [16:13] Yes. Ubdated Ubuntu packages have been published. [16:14] Ubdated/Updated [16:14] * ScottK is busily regenerating SSH keys, TLS keys, and DKIM keys (and expects he'll think of more). [16:15] * smarter is going to regenerate his key and the medibuntu one [16:15] http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-612-1 [16:16] same here - :/ [16:16] * Hobbsee looks for which keys need regenerating [16:17] According to the DSA, it's just DSA keys (love overloaded terms), but on #debian-devel the discussion is to regenerate RSA keys too. [16:17] ScottK: as in, ssh, gpg, ? [16:17] "The first vulnerable version, 0.9.8c-1, was uploaded to the unstable distribution on 2006-09-17" [16:17] wait so we have to regenerate all of our ssh keys in launchpad? [16:18] if they're never than 06/09, yes [16:18] gpg keys too? [16:18] it was probably in ubuntu 6.10 [16:18] if they are newer then 6.10? [16:18] Edgy was clear, but Feisty and follow. [16:18] smarter er, how do you find the dates on keys? [16:18] * Nightrose is not sure when and on which system she generated her gpg key [16:19] though the ssh keys are all b0rked [16:19]