=== elkbuntu is now known as elky === elky is now known as elkbuntu === savvas_ is now known as savvas [07:56] hey guys [07:56] and gals :) [07:56] hello o [07:56] o0Chris0o rather [07:57] I am wondering what artwork is needed at this time? I want to become a member, I am a graphic artist by trade [07:57] :) [07:57] Great to have you around o0Chris0o, but the nature of the beast is such that there isn't really anything 'needed' per se. [07:57] o0Chris0o: Do you have any samples of work or a portfolio? [07:59] actually no, sadly I lost most of it awhile back. I haven't been messing with graphics in awhile, but I took classes in school and I taught myself some html as well when I was growing up [08:00] should I just make some logos up of each flavor of ubuntu and some wallpaper art of some sort [08:00] Right... ok... well welcome around. [08:00] I must get off to bed. [08:01] A good starting point to understand the situation might be the mailing list archives or any of the other venues in our long and illustrious history. [08:01] The wiki has some information but it wasn't horribly up to date as of my last examination. [08:01] and how can I find that :) [08:02] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art [08:02] The wiki root has most information I believe [08:02] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork [08:02] iirc. [08:02] hope that helps. [08:02] thanks for you rhelp troy_s, have a good sleep :) [08:02] if you have any questions please feel 100% free to contact me via email. [08:02] Ciao for now. [08:03] :) Ciao, and will do [08:15] morning [08:15] hi troy_s [08:17] Morning kwwii, troy_s went beddy bye [08:18] <---new [08:18] :) [08:23] hehe [08:23] o0Chris0o: cool, thanks for coming by :-) [08:24] there is a lot to do, it shouldn't be hard to find something [08:24] np, I'll be sticking here for awhile I'm sure. [08:24] Oh really? [08:24] can you point me in the right direction? [08:24] grrr [08:24] is anyone up for a test task? [08:24] what kind o.0 [08:25] well, as troy_s pointed out, checking the wiki for general info is the right place to start, but you might not find a specific task there [08:25] currently we have a few people working on theme teams [08:25] oh I see [08:25] which means that they are creating a theme based on their own vision [08:25] in addition we also do the default artwork [08:25] www.filedropper.com - hit upload - do you see "red x" icons? if not, go check out the files do the files have a red x icon? [08:25] but that is much more controversial while we cannot simply do whatever we'd like with it [08:26] ahh I see [08:26] so we do icons, splash screens, login manager themes, and desktop wallpaper, mainly [08:26] sounds good kwwii [08:27] currently I am working on some ideas for a wallpaper with an Ibex on it [08:27] savvas: I don't see red x [08:27] o0Chris0o: you use x86 ubuntu? [08:27] I'll probably send an email to the mailing list in a bit saying that we are looking for ideas on how to include an Ibex in the wallpaper somehow [08:27] savvas: do you mean in the browser window itself? [08:28] or in the tab? [08:28] kwwii: yes hold a sec, let me find the screenshots [08:28] http://launchpadlibrarian.net/14480177/now-files-only.png [08:28] savvas: yes I am [08:28] savvas: hrm, that looks like a bug to me [08:29] hm.. so it's probably 64-bit based [08:29] it is, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/218635 [08:29] Launchpad bug 218635 in firefox-3.0 "firefox - red x icons in upload dialogs" [Low,Confirmed] [08:29] savvas: that does not look like that in my firefox with the hardy default theme [08:29] ahh 3.0 [08:29] I just can't figure out why they marked invalid the packages i saw the problems in [08:29] thats still in beta isn't it? [08:30] savvas: I think it is a problem with the icon theme not firefox [08:30] (npviewer.bin:24265): Gtk-WARNING **: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/filesystems/libgio.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64 [08:30] hrm, freaky [08:30] then it is a 64 bit bug :p [08:31] :P [08:31] killer, that effecting the icons [08:31] * kwwii runs to the gas station, bbiab [08:33] !ibex [08:33] Intrepid Ibex is the code name for Ubuntu 8.10, due October 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex [08:33] ibex.. heh [08:33] ahh [08:33] the next name should be Mighty Mouflon :P [08:34] :) [08:34] how does ubuntu come up with these names? [08:38] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames [08:40] course, should of wiki'd it :) [08:43] :) [09:06] my guess is that the next one will be called the jerky jackass [09:07] btw, if you have two computers you want to use at the same time I seriously suggest using synergy (mouse, keyboard and paste across different computers) [09:08] heh :) only one computer [09:13] less to worry about ;-9 [09:18] true [09:18] Hey kwwii, the artwork here is it just for "ubuntu" and not other flavors? [09:18] or is it for all [09:20] o0Chris0o: it is for all flavors, but some of the others have people working on artwork as well [09:20] but they would all love any help they can get [09:21] I see [09:21] although the wiki page is mainly used for ubuntu somehow [09:21] not sure why, really [09:23] yeah I know what you mean [09:24] if you are interested in any of the other flavors I could also help you get in contact with the team leads, etc [09:24] well, I guess only xubuntu and kubuntu really have their own artwork anyway [09:24] not sure about any others [09:25] but in the end, pretty much anything you can do would be appreciated [09:25] I see [09:25] yeah definately :) [09:26] Id like to work with Kubuntu mostly [09:26] but wallpapers and logos are pretty easy I can help out in all flavors [09:27] splash screens as well [09:27] not really into the icons :) [09:33] cool, I am pretty invovled with the kubuntu stuff as well [09:33] so I can help you get involved, if you need any help [09:34] yeah definately :) I'm new, so much help is appreciated :) [09:34] I signed up on the mailing list too btw [09:36] excellent, that is a good way to start [09:37] the mailing list and irc are the two most important forms of communication for us [09:37] alright, I am on IRC 24/7 if I'm not here, I'm usually idling [09:37] if you have kubuntu specific questions ask me or perhaps on #kubuntu-devel [09:37] cool :-) [09:38] alright not a prob [09:42] what progams do you use to for the creation of your artwork? and where do you get clip-art from usually? [09:43] I use inkscape mainly [09:43] gimp a bit as well [09:43] and krita to draw bitmap with [09:44] heh weird how freenode has you set up the vhost or cloak, I didn't want my ip being displayed much I thought you could change them to whateve you would like :) but I guess "unaffiliated/o0chris0o" is sticking :) [09:44] ahh alright, thanks I will check em out, I use gimp a bit too :) [09:48] hehe, I still don't do cloaking...too much work [09:48] have fun! [09:49] thanks :) [11:34] * kwwii is out for lunch [12:46] * _MMA_ smacks kwwii for the "I guess only xubuntu and kubuntu really have their own artwork" comment. [17:09] hey [17:42] hi there [17:45] <_MMA_> hi [17:45] wht's up [18:53] re [19:06] ..habilitation :) [19:17] no doubt [20:20] kwwii: Where can I get the oxygen SVG sources, or better, a Gnome based namespace collection for them? [20:24] troy_s: we don't have any official or unofficial gnome packages but I think you could find one on gnome-look.org [20:24] the sources themselves are in kde svn [20:26] https://svn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdebase/runtime/pics/oxygen [20:27] kwwii: They are all SVG I am assuming? [20:27] we have all sizes of png files and svgz's for everything (even the smaller sized png files) [20:27] :-) [20:28] in some cases we have a 16x16 svg, a 22x22 svg, a 32x32 svg and a big svg [20:28] and the corresponding png files [20:28] oh, and you'll find scripts to render all of it there too [20:29] kwwii: Awsome. I'm only really interested in the SVGs and the pre-renders I suppose. [20:29] yeah, I assumed that too [20:29] it is nice to have *all* the sources I think [20:30] also, there is another module with icons which were earlier versions or unused [20:30] https://wimer@svn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/playground/artwork/Oxygen [20:31] now that I think about it I guess it would be easier to get them in a kubuntu source package [20:31] not sure the name of that though [20:31] we only work on them directly in kde svn [20:41] kwwii: Hrm. It would be worth packaging them up in an Ubuntu repository no? [20:42] kwwii: With metapacks maybe so that you have ONE 'real' repository for the actual binary blobs and one each for k / g naming convention links etc. [20:42] troy_s: yeah, that is something that would be worth looking into [20:42] also perhaps providing the necessary symlinks to make them work well with gnome [20:42] oxygen is pretty complete in the meantime so I think we could cover most icons needed [20:43] kwwii: That's what I mean. [20:44] kwwii: That is really a legwork thing. IF we setup an index.theme file for it and some dirs, we should be able to get oxygen into gnome easily... the main thing is keeping sync. [20:44] kwwii: I know there is some bzr-fu or launchpad-fu for syncing with SVN... let me ask... [20:46] I am updating my bzr branch now (slow connection tonight), I think that they are currently in kubuntu-default-settings, let me check [20:47] wow, it seems that they are directly in the kde runtime package [20:47] freaky [20:47] that puts the entire set in kdebase [20:55] kwwii: Yeah its like a 40 meg download (when I put the ppa on for kde 4) [20:58] kwwii: A VCS guy/LP admin has to manually test and then approve the import [20:59] kwwii: IF you can find someone to do that, we could probably work on getting the naming conventions in place. [21:00] troy_s: I guess I should start off by talking to the kubuntu peeps, they might be interested in seperating out the icon theme [21:00] kwwii: Well yes... it would lessen their needs then I suppose. [21:01] kwwii: What would be nice is to get Oxygen in such a state that adding it is as easy as adding Tango or whatever. [21:01] kwwii: And that would mean getting it such that the base package is avoiding duplicates for both DEs. [21:01] troy_s: to be honest, in the past we have tried to keep oxygen out of other desktops (including kde3) [21:01] but I think that now that kde4 is out and about it might be time to start thinking about that [21:03] kwwii: Ugh. [21:03] kwwii: Unfortunate. [21:03] kwwii: As that gets back into political stuffs that I really don't want to have any part of. Can you manage it? [21:03] kwwii: (As in getting the official blessing so that a repository doesn't get some strange firestorm of blah) [21:03] <_MMA_> troy_s: I told you already there would be this. ;) [21:05] troy_s: well, it is not really political, more a marketing decision than anything else [21:06] we made oxygen for kde4, it had to stand out as something new for the new release [21:06] but now that cat is out of the bag so I imagine that we can take care of this somehow [21:07] <_MMA_> But PR handling is only for an "official" effort. If it's something you do for your own needs, rock on. \m/ [21:09] _MMA_: True, but god knows what happened the last time I saw someone package Oxygen for GNOME. [21:09] _MMA_: Which is odd considering the license... but c'est la vie. [21:10] <_MMA_> There's like 3 of 'em on GNOME-look. Cant really stop that. [21:11] actually, in the past I simply asked Frank (my friend who runs the *-look sites) to take them down [21:11] but now I see no reason to [21:12] and nobody else on the oxygen team has complained [21:12] whereas in the past we had two very loud artists getting upset :-) [21:13] actually, I see it as very positive that people want to use it on other desktops :-) [21:13] <_MMA_> kwwii: Before release, yeah. I could see why. [21:13] well, we spent more than two years working on it [21:13] and only put it in an open svn a year or so ago [21:13] <_MMA_> kwwii: Yes. "We" do. But you know how vocal the zealots get. :) [21:13] and immediatly people started making kde3 versions and gnome versions [21:14] actually, the kde3 versions were the only ones that pissed me off [21:14] I mean, if the kde community cannot control itself for it's own benefit then who can? [21:14] * _MMA_ shrugs. [21:17] kwwii: But that is the nature of the license I suppose. [21:18] kwwii: The only option is to pick a more limited license until xxx date then shift it (which you can obviously do being the sole copyright holder -- although I have no idea how complicated that gets when the copyright holder is the 'Oxygen team' or whatever) [21:21] troy_s: right, at first when it was only on our ftp server we had no license, which is really the most restrictive [21:21] after that we put it out as CCbySA [21:22] and then we moved to gpl3 to be compliant with all upstreams and kde4 itself [21:22] wow...did you guys read the email from MS to the blender people? kinda funny [21:24] lol, sometimes I think that the biggest thing Cimi has going against him is his ego [21:25] maybe if I was that good I would be the same way ;-) [21:41] <_MMA_> kwwii: Yeah. I saw it. Asstastic. [21:42] <_MMA_> kwwii: I and others in Ubuntu have a good dialog with those guys. They use Ubuntu. ;) [21:47] hehe [21:51] anyone know a command line tool to convert color values? [21:58] looking at turning the hex values of the palette into a gimp palette so we can test it and tweak it [22:01] <_MMA_> kwwii: Agave can build a palette for GIMP. [22:02] <_MMA_> Fire it up. Add colors to the "favorites" side-panel then you can export it. [22:21] _MMA_: yeah, but I only want the ones that i define [22:21] and I do not want to type it all in :-) [22:21] I guess I could do it with hexdump somehow [22:22] actually, that and a simple bash script shouldn't be too much [22:22] probably take longer than just typing it all in but much more satisfying :P [22:40] http://nox-hand.com/docs/images/Poster_final_danish_small.jpg <-- Final poster design for post to Ubuntu Artwork [22:40] Will have translation to English in a few days, so it can be uploaded. [22:44] <_MMA_> kwwii: Make 1 with Agave to see the formatting. SHould give you a start. [22:54] dude, I understand the formatting [22:54] I was hoping someone knew how to make it easy [22:54] :p [22:54] i made a list in hex [22:54] dumb me [22:54] and now I don't want to have to do it again [23:03] great, now I have a facebook profile as well [23:04] between a blog I never blog on, a linkedIn profile I couldn't give a rat's ass about and a facebook profile [23:06] and all this while I watch my 10 year old son login to his school network every morning to upload pics to his profile and send messages (*hug*) [23:06] boah, I am an old man [23:06] time for bed [23:22] hey guys [23:22] anyone know off hand who created the wallpaper for hardy?