[07:56] <o0Chris0o> hey guys
[07:56] <o0Chris0o> and gals :)
[07:56] <troy_s> hello o
[07:56] <troy_s> o0Chris0o rather
[07:57] <o0Chris0o> I am wondering what artwork is needed at this time? I want to become a member, I am a graphic artist by trade
[07:57] <o0Chris0o> :)
[07:57] <troy_s> Great to have you around o0Chris0o, but the nature of the beast is such that there isn't really anything 'needed' per se.
[07:57] <troy_s> o0Chris0o: Do you have any samples of work or a portfolio?
[07:59] <o0Chris0o> actually no, sadly I lost most of it awhile back. I haven't been messing with graphics in awhile, but I took classes in school and  I taught myself some html as well when I was growing up
[08:00] <o0Chris0o> should I just make some logos up of each flavor of ubuntu and some wallpaper art of some sort
[08:00] <troy_s> Right... ok... well welcome around.
[08:00] <troy_s> I must get off to bed.
[08:01] <troy_s> A good starting point to understand the situation might be the mailing list archives or any of the other venues in our long and illustrious history.
[08:01] <troy_s> The wiki has some information but it wasn't horribly up to date as of my last examination.
[08:01] <o0Chris0o> and how can I find that :)
[08:02] <troy_s> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[08:02] <troy_s> The wiki root has most information I believe
[08:02] <troy_s> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork
[08:02] <troy_s> iirc.
[08:02] <troy_s> hope that helps.
[08:02] <o0Chris0o> thanks for you rhelp troy_s, have a good sleep :)
[08:02] <troy_s> if you have any questions please feel 100% free to contact me via email.
[08:02] <troy_s> Ciao for now.
[08:03] <o0Chris0o> :) Ciao, and will do
[08:15] <kwwii> morning
[08:15] <kwwii> hi troy_s
[08:17] <o0Chris0o> Morning kwwii, troy_s went beddy bye
[08:18] <o0Chris0o> <---new
[08:18] <o0Chris0o> :)
[08:23] <kwwii> hehe
[08:23] <kwwii> o0Chris0o: cool, thanks for coming by :-)
[08:24] <kwwii> there is a lot to do, it shouldn't be hard to find something
[08:24] <o0Chris0o> np, I'll be sticking here for awhile I'm sure.
[08:24] <o0Chris0o> Oh really?
[08:24] <o0Chris0o> can you point me in the right direction?
[08:24] <savvas> grrr
[08:24] <savvas> is anyone up for a test task?
[08:24] <o0Chris0o> what kind o.0
[08:25] <kwwii> well, as troy_s pointed out, checking the wiki for general info is the right place to start, but you might not find a specific task there
[08:25] <kwwii> currently we have a few people working on theme teams
[08:25] <o0Chris0o> oh I see
[08:25] <kwwii> which means that they are creating a theme based on their own vision
[08:25] <kwwii> in addition we also do the default artwork
[08:25] <savvas> www.filedropper.com - hit upload - do you see "red x" icons? if not, go check out the files do the files have a red x icon?
[08:25] <kwwii> but that is much more controversial while we cannot simply do whatever we'd like with it
[08:26] <o0Chris0o> ahh I see
[08:26] <kwwii> so we do icons, splash screens, login manager themes, and desktop wallpaper, mainly
[08:26] <o0Chris0o> sounds good kwwii
[08:27] <kwwii> currently I am working on some ideas for a wallpaper with an Ibex on it
[08:27] <o0Chris0o> savvas: I don't see red x
[08:27] <savvas> o0Chris0o: you use x86 ubuntu?
[08:27] <kwwii> I'll probably send an email to the mailing list in a bit saying that we are looking for ideas on how to include an Ibex in the wallpaper somehow
[08:27] <kwwii> savvas: do you mean in the browser window itself?
[08:28] <kwwii> or in the tab?
[08:28] <savvas> kwwii: yes hold a sec, let me find the screenshots
[08:28] <savvas> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/14480177/now-files-only.png
[08:28] <o0Chris0o> savvas: yes I am
[08:28] <kwwii> savvas: hrm, that looks like a bug to me
[08:29] <savvas> hm.. so it's probably 64-bit based
[08:29] <savvas> it is, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/218635
[08:29] <kwwii> savvas: that does not look like that in my firefox with the hardy default theme
[08:29] <o0Chris0o> ahh 3.0
[08:29] <savvas> I just can't figure out why they marked invalid the packages i saw the problems in
[08:29] <o0Chris0o> thats still in beta isn't it?
[08:30] <kwwii> savvas: I think it is a problem with the icon theme not firefox
[08:30] <savvas> (npviewer.bin:24265): Gtk-WARNING **: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/filesystems/libgio.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
[08:30] <kwwii> hrm, freaky
[08:30] <kwwii> then it is a 64 bit bug :p
[08:31] <savvas> :P
[08:31] <kwwii> killer, that effecting the icons
[08:31]  * kwwii runs to the gas station, bbiab
[08:33] <o0Chris0o> !ibex
[08:33] <savvas> ibex.. heh
[08:33] <o0Chris0o> ahh
[08:33] <savvas> the next name should be Mighty Mouflon :P
[08:34] <o0Chris0o> :)
[08:34] <o0Chris0o> how does ubuntu come up with these names?
[08:38] <savvas> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames
[08:40] <o0Chris0o> course, should of wiki'd it :)
[08:43] <savvas> :)
[09:06] <kwwii> my guess is that the next one will be called the jerky jackass
[09:07] <kwwii> btw, if you have two computers you want to use at the same time I seriously suggest using synergy (mouse, keyboard and paste across different computers)
[09:08] <o0Chris0o> heh :) only one computer
[09:13] <kwwii> less to worry about ;-9
[09:18] <o0Chris0o> true
[09:18] <o0Chris0o> Hey kwwii, the artwork here is it just for "ubuntu" and not other flavors?
[09:18] <o0Chris0o> or is it for all
[09:20] <kwwii> o0Chris0o: it is for all flavors, but some of the others have people working on artwork as well
[09:20] <kwwii> but they would all love any help they can get
[09:21] <o0Chris0o> I see
[09:21] <kwwii> although the wiki page is mainly used for ubuntu somehow
[09:21] <kwwii> not sure why, really
[09:23] <o0Chris0o> yeah I know what you mean
[09:24] <kwwii> if you are interested in any of the other flavors I could also help you get in contact with the team leads, etc
[09:24] <kwwii> well, I guess only xubuntu and kubuntu really have their own artwork anyway
[09:24] <kwwii> not sure about any others
[09:25] <kwwii> but in the end, pretty much anything you can do would be appreciated
[09:25] <o0Chris0o> I see
[09:25] <o0Chris0o> yeah definately :)
[09:26] <o0Chris0o> Id like to work with Kubuntu mostly
[09:26] <o0Chris0o> but wallpapers and logos are pretty easy I can help out in all flavors
[09:27] <o0Chris0o> splash screens as well
[09:27] <o0Chris0o> not really into the icons :)
[09:33] <kwwii> cool, I am pretty invovled with the kubuntu stuff as well
[09:33] <kwwii> so I can help you get involved, if you need any help
[09:34] <o0Chris0o> yeah definately :) I'm new, so much help is appreciated :)
[09:34] <o0Chris0o> I signed up on the mailing list too btw
[09:36] <kwwii> excellent, that is a good way to start
[09:37] <kwwii> the mailing list and irc are the two most important forms of communication for us
[09:37] <o0Chris0o> alright, I am on IRC 24/7 if I'm not here, I'm usually idling
[09:37] <kwwii> if you have kubuntu specific questions ask me or perhaps on #kubuntu-devel
[09:37] <kwwii> cool :-)
[09:38] <o0Chris0o> alright not a prob
[09:42] <o0Chris0o> what progams do you use to for the creation of your artwork? and where do you get clip-art from usually?
[09:43] <kwwii> I use inkscape mainly
[09:43] <kwwii> gimp a bit as well
[09:43] <kwwii> and krita to draw bitmap with
[09:44] <o0Chris0o> heh weird how freenode has you set up the vhost or cloak, I didn't want my ip being displayed  much I thought you could change them to whateve you would like :) but I guess "unaffiliated/o0chris0o" is sticking :)
[09:44] <o0Chris0o> ahh alright, thanks I will check em out, I use gimp a bit too :)
[09:48] <kwwii> hehe, I still don't do cloaking...too much work
[09:48] <kwwii> have fun!
[09:49] <o0Chris0o> thanks :)
[11:34]  * kwwii is out for lunch
[12:46]  * _MMA_ smacks kwwii for the "﻿I guess only xubuntu and kubuntu really have their own artwork" comment.
[17:09] <psyke83> hey
[17:42] <WarMX> hi there
[17:45] <_MMA_> hi
[17:45] <WarMX> wht's up
[18:53] <kwwii> re
[19:06] <savvas> ..habilitation :)
[19:17] <kwwii> no doubt
[20:20] <troy_s> kwwii: Where can I get the oxygen SVG sources, or better, a Gnome based namespace collection for them?
[20:24] <kwwii> troy_s: we don't have any official or unofficial gnome packages but I think you could find one on gnome-look.org
[20:24] <kwwii> the sources themselves are in kde svn
[20:26] <kwwii>  https://svn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdebase/runtime/pics/oxygen
[20:27] <troy_s> kwwii: They are all SVG I am assuming?
[20:27] <kwwii> we have all sizes of png files and svgz's for everything (even the smaller sized png files)
[20:27] <kwwii> :-)
[20:28] <kwwii> in some cases we have a 16x16 svg, a 22x22 svg, a 32x32 svg and a big svg
[20:28] <kwwii> and the corresponding png files
[20:28] <kwwii> oh, and you'll find scripts to render all of it there too
[20:29] <troy_s> kwwii: Awsome.  I'm only really interested in the SVGs and the pre-renders I suppose.
[20:29] <kwwii> yeah, I assumed that too
[20:29] <kwwii> it is nice to have *all* the sources I think
[20:30] <kwwii> also, there is another module with icons which were earlier versions or unused
[20:30] <kwwii> https://wimer@svn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/playground/artwork/Oxygen
[20:31] <kwwii> now that I think about it I guess it would be easier to get them in a kubuntu source package
[20:31] <kwwii> not sure the name of that though
[20:31] <kwwii> we only work on them directly in kde svn
[20:41] <troy_s> kwwii: Hrm.  It would be worth packaging them up in an Ubuntu repository no?
[20:42] <troy_s> kwwii: With metapacks maybe so that you have ONE 'real' repository for the actual binary blobs and one each for k / g naming convention links etc.
[20:42] <kwwii> troy_s: yeah, that is something that would be worth looking into
[20:42] <kwwii> also perhaps providing the necessary symlinks to make them work well with gnome
[20:42] <kwwii> oxygen is pretty complete in the meantime so I think we could cover most icons needed
[20:43] <troy_s> kwwii: That's what I mean.
[20:44] <troy_s> kwwii: That is really a legwork thing.  IF we setup an index.theme file for it and some dirs, we should be able to get oxygen into gnome easily... the main thing is keeping sync.
[20:44] <troy_s> kwwii: I know there is some bzr-fu or launchpad-fu for syncing with SVN... let me ask...
[20:46] <kwwii> I am updating my bzr branch now (slow connection tonight), I think that they are currently in kubuntu-default-settings, let me check
[20:47] <kwwii> wow, it seems that they are directly in the kde runtime package
[20:47] <kwwii> freaky
[20:47] <kwwii> that puts the entire set in kdebase
[20:55] <troy_s> kwwii: Yeah its like a 40 meg download (when I put the ppa on for kde 4)
[20:58] <troy_s> kwwii: <rexbron> A VCS guy/LP admin has to manually test and then approve the import
[20:59] <troy_s> kwwii: IF you can find someone to do that, we could probably work on getting the naming conventions in place.
[21:00] <kwwii> troy_s: I guess I should start off by talking to the kubuntu peeps, they might be interested in seperating out the icon theme
[21:00] <troy_s> kwwii: Well yes... it would lessen their needs then I suppose.
[21:01] <troy_s> kwwii: What would be nice is to get Oxygen in such a state that adding it is as easy as adding Tango or whatever.
[21:01] <troy_s> kwwii: And that would mean getting it such that the base package is avoiding duplicates for both DEs.
[21:01] <kwwii> troy_s: to be honest, in the past we have tried to keep oxygen out of other desktops (including kde3)
[21:01] <kwwii> but I think that now that kde4 is out and about it might be time to start thinking about that
[21:03] <troy_s> kwwii: Ugh.
[21:03] <troy_s> kwwii: Unfortunate.
[21:03] <troy_s> kwwii: As that gets back into political stuffs that I really don't want to have any part of.  Can you manage it?
[21:03] <troy_s> kwwii:  (As in getting the official blessing so that a repository doesn't get some strange firestorm of blah)
[21:03] <_MMA_> troy_s: I told you already there would be this. ;)
[21:05] <kwwii> troy_s: well, it is not really political, more a marketing decision than anything else
[21:06] <kwwii> we made oxygen for kde4, it had to stand out as something new for the new release
[21:06] <kwwii> but now that cat is out of the bag so I imagine that we can take care of this somehow
[21:07] <_MMA_> But PR handling is only for an "official" effort. If it's something you do for your own needs, rock on. \m/
[21:09] <troy_s> _MMA_: True, but god knows what happened the last time I saw someone package Oxygen for GNOME.
[21:09] <troy_s> _MMA_: Which is odd considering the license... but c'est la vie.
[21:10] <_MMA_> There's like 3 of 'em on GNOME-look. Cant really stop that.
[21:11] <kwwii> actually, in the past I simply asked Frank (my friend who runs the *-look sites) to take them down
[21:11] <kwwii> but now I see no reason to
[21:12] <kwwii> and nobody else on the oxygen team has complained
[21:12] <kwwii> whereas in the past we had two very loud artists getting upset :-)
[21:13] <kwwii> actually, I see it as very positive that people want to use it on other desktops :-)
[21:13] <_MMA_> kwwii: Before release, yeah. I could see why.
[21:13] <kwwii> well, we spent more than two years working on it
[21:13] <kwwii> and only put it in an open svn a year or so ago
[21:13] <_MMA_> kwwii: Yes. "We" do. But you know how vocal the zealots get. :)
[21:13] <kwwii> and immediatly people started making kde3 versions and gnome versions
[21:14] <kwwii> actually, the kde3 versions were the only ones that pissed me off
[21:14] <kwwii> I mean, if the kde community cannot control itself for it's own benefit then who can?
[21:14]  * _MMA_ shrugs.
[21:17] <troy_s> kwwii: But that is the nature of the license I suppose.
[21:18] <troy_s> kwwii: The only option is to pick a more limited license until xxx date then shift it (which you can obviously do being the sole copyright holder -- although I have no idea how complicated that gets when the copyright holder is the 'Oxygen team' or whatever)
[21:21] <kwwii> troy_s: right, at first when it was only on our ftp server we had no license, which is really the most restrictive
[21:21] <kwwii> after that we put it out as CCbySA
[21:22] <kwwii> and then we moved to gpl3 to be compliant with all upstreams and kde4 itself
[21:22] <kwwii> wow...did you guys read the email from MS to the blender people? kinda funny
[21:24] <kwwii> lol, sometimes I think that the biggest thing Cimi has going against him is his ego
[21:25] <kwwii> maybe if I was that good I would be the same way ;-)
[21:41] <_MMA_> kwwii: Yeah. I saw it. Asstastic.
[21:42] <_MMA_> kwwii: I and others in Ubuntu have a good dialog with those guys. They use Ubuntu. ;)
[21:47] <kwwii> hehe
[21:51] <kwwii> anyone know a command line tool to convert color values?
[21:58] <kwwii> looking at turning the hex values of the palette into a gimp palette so we can test it and tweak it
[22:01] <_MMA_> kwwii: Agave can build a palette for GIMP.
[22:02] <_MMA_> Fire it up. Add colors to the "favorites" side-panel then you can export it.
[22:21] <kwwii> _MMA_: yeah, but I only want the ones that i define
[22:21] <kwwii> and I do not want to type it all in :-)
[22:21] <kwwii> I guess I could do it with hexdump somehow
[22:22] <kwwii> actually, that and a simple bash script shouldn't be too much
[22:22] <kwwii> probably take longer than just typing it all in but much more satisfying :P
[22:40] <nox-Hand> http://nox-hand.com/docs/images/Poster_final_danish_small.jpg <-- Final poster design for post to Ubuntu Artwork
[22:40] <nox-Hand> Will have translation to English in a few days, so it can be uploaded.
[22:44] <_MMA_> kwwii: Make 1 with Agave to see the formatting. SHould give you a start.
[22:54] <kwwii> dude, I understand the formatting
[22:54] <kwwii> I was hoping someone knew how to make it easy
[22:54] <kwwii> :p
[22:54] <kwwii> i made a list in hex
[22:54] <kwwii> dumb me
[22:54] <kwwii> and now I don't want to have to do it again
[23:03] <kwwii> great, now I have a facebook profile as well
[23:04] <kwwii> between a blog I never blog on, a linkedIn profile I couldn't give a rat's ass about and a facebook profile
[23:06] <kwwii> and all this while I watch my 10 year old son login to his school network every morning to upload pics to his profile and send messages (*hug*)
[23:06] <kwwii> boah, I am an old man
[23:06] <kwwii> time for bed
[23:22] <yharrow> hey guys
[23:22] <yharrow> anyone know off hand who created the wallpaper for hardy?