[06:35] <flaccid> is the doc team/ubuntu going to release any more books like official ubuntu book?
[06:45] <nixternal> yes
[06:45] <nixternal> :)
[06:46] <nixternal> next month, or end of this month
[06:46] <flaccid> ah ok, what release does it cover. is this an updated official ubuntu book?
[06:47] <nixternal> 8.04
[06:47] <nixternal> yes, updated official ubuntu book
[06:47] <nixternal> make sure you read the Edubuntu chapter, I just worked on that one for this release :)
[06:47] <nixternal> and the Kubuntu chapter is all jjesse's fault
[06:47] <flaccid> nice one nix
[06:48] <flaccid> i guess i'll have to wait for release. how much kde4 is covered if at all?
[06:50] <flaccid> ok cool.... is there a plan to update that book again for next release or something? i guess im saying its a bit premature for kde4
[06:52] <nixternal> 1 whole chapter of KDE 4
[06:52] <nixternal> ya, we will update again for either 8.10 or 9.04
[06:53] <flaccid> cool, looks like i'll be competing unless someone else releases a book for us to compete with which is a good thing anyway
[06:54] <flaccid> mine *may* be the first kubuntu only/centric book out there
[06:54] <nixternal> oh man I am envious of that one!
[06:54] <nixternal> well now that you are doing it, I will not go for it then :)  you just freed up my future a bit
[06:55] <flaccid> well as i mentioned to you recently, i offered it to the doc project in the past but you were happy with the 'topic-based system'..
[06:56] <nixternal> oh ya....that's right
[06:56] <flaccid> :p
[06:56] <nixternal> ya, we are stuck with topic based for system documentation
[06:56] <nixternal> but it is needed for a printed document no doubt
[06:56] <flaccid> it was either do this book or one on web dev. this one seemed more appropriate
[06:57] <flaccid> not sure how you are stuck with it but ok :)
[06:57] <nixternal> and probably easier considering how much web dev is going to change again over the next couple of years with the new css and html crap that google is infecting
[06:57] <nixternal> flaccid: freedesktop.org :)
[06:57] <nixternal> that's how...we are working to share stuff back and forth with the other desktops now
[06:58] <flaccid> that prevents you from creating such a doc, i don't see how..
[06:58] <nixternal> and seeing as system documentation is much better in a topic based setting, it only makes sense to extend it one to the Linux desktop as well
[06:58] <flaccid> but yeah in web dev, its a similar case - not really any/many recent books that are web standards, its pathetic
[06:58] <nixternal> it doesn't prevent us, we just don't have the people to maintain a printed a document like it
[06:58] <flaccid> yeah this is true - what we established before
[06:59] <flaccid> i mean i don't even know what 'topic based' means. everything is topic based, is it not?
[06:59] <nixternal> well, think of the windows help system or the apple help system
[06:59] <flaccid> which nobody uses :p
[07:00] <nixternal> actually, I use the windows one when I am on a windows box because I am lost
[07:00] <nixternal> and the Windows help system was the only thing that score higher than a 2 on the vista usability tests :)
[07:00] <flaccid> interesting, so vista help, actually helps you reckon?
[07:01] <nixternal> and it helps you wreck it :)
[07:01] <flaccid> my objection is always about how you have to know the topic to look for instead of being lead to it..
[07:03] <nixternal> for instance, with the old kubuntu documentation, everything was in a single book, so the topics weren't broken down into pieces, making it harder to locate something
[07:03] <flaccid> well in my opinion its about a logical well-abstracted TOC
[07:03] <nixternal> with the topic based help that we switched to, everything is broken down into a topic, which you can/will eventually be able to do with the kio help slave is 'help://kubuntu/networking
[07:03] <flaccid> this is what i'm designing with my book
[07:04] <flaccid> hmm well i like to set a universe of discourse too
[07:06] <nixternal> oh well, I need to head to bed...I have AT&T knocking on my door in about 6 hours :)
[07:06] <nixternal> g'nite
[07:06] <flaccid> ok mate thanks for the chat again, has helped me understand where things are at
[07:06] <flaccid> gnight
[08:20] <mdke> morning ll
[08:20] <mdke> *all
[13:54] <ikonia> is it possible to insert an image into a wiki page, I can't see any topics that suggest it is
[14:18] <bimberi> ikonia: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide/Screenshots  from "To upload an image:"
[14:29] <ikonia> ahh thank you
[14:29] <ikonia> screenshot was the keyword
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