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achandrashekarhello..does anyone know how to configure nbdswapd.conf05:22
achandrashekari have a 30 clients that hav about 383mb a piece..05:22
achandrashekarthey are all p3s05:22
johnnyit's an lts.conf parameter05:22
achandrashekaroh..no need to create the nbdwapd.conf file anymore?05:23
achandrashekarin 8.04?05:23
achandrashekaror is that appended to lts.conf now.05:23
achandrashekar??05:23
achandrashekarspecifically i need to know what to set the value to...i.e...if each system has 383mb what to set it to.05:24
achandrashekarSIZE=??05:24
stgraberogra: btw, just reminding you to ask about my CMPC for iTalc testing :) (I also poked RichEd)07:58
RichEdstgraber: i asked in a mail last night :) ... we meet with them in 2 min07:59
RichEdno promise of rapid response ... but the topic has been raised07:59
stgraberRichEd: cool, thanks07:59
neilHi I am trying to setup faxing for the clients, what is the best way to do this?   GFax isn't working fully :(, efax-gtk dosen't put its phone number on the correct screen :(09:08
johnnyyou should probably file a bug09:14
johnnyfor efax-gtk09:14
johnnyand also find out their mailing lists or something09:14
=== gnomefre1k is now known as gnomefreak
neilI have installed the ltsp-server package, but the tftp server isn't working :( I tested with another computer with the 'tftp' program, what could be stoping it ?10:33
astinusCan anyone suggest a more appropriate channel to discuss serious LTSP issues with Hardy?12:47
astinusor did I manage to land in the correct place :)12:47
ograastinus, here or #ltsp is fine12:49
ogramost ppl here are in both channels anyway :)12:50
astinusogra: I'm getting a nasty /dev/nbd0 on /rofs issue12:51
stgraberwhat kind ?12:51
astinusogra: we just regenerated SSH keys for our LTSP server, it had been dist-upgraded to Hardy previously but we'd kept the LTSP NBD chroot as Gutsy for some decent enough reasons12:52
ograthats likely to break12:52
astinusanyway... that went boom when the SSH key change happened, and squashfs-tools appears to have changed in Hardy such that it no longer builds viable stuff12:52
astinus*so* I rebuilt a brand new chroot using ltsp-build-blah which also fails12:52
astinusits being exported via NBD just fine, the DHCP servers and TFTP is fine too :(12:53
ograso whats the exact error message12:53
astinusMounting /dev/nbd0 on /rofs failed: No such device12:53
ograand how exactly did you rebuild ? did you properly clean out /opt/ltsp =12:53
stgraberare you sure your client is running Hardy's kernel ? (2.6.24-16)12:54
ogra"  No such device" sounds like a kernel issue12:54
astinusyeah.. we have a somewhat hacked environment because we cannot run DHCP on our LTSP boxes, but /opt/ltsp on the servers got wiped, and its definitely running a Hardy kernel12:54
stgrabercan you try to : modprobe nbd12:54
stgraberon a client12:54
ograin busybox12:54
astinussec12:54
astinusmodprobe nbd works12:55
ograthat looks like you are not using an ltsp initramfs12:55
ogra(which forcefully lodas nbd)12:56
stgraberastinus: try, nbdclient <server> <port> /dev/nbd012:56
astinusstgraber: I can't do that, busybox has no concept of nbdclient12:56
ogranbd-client12:57
ogra(missing a dash)12:57
stgraberhmm, right nbd-client :)12:57
astinusgenerates a large stack trace12:57
astinuswith end error message being "File exists."12:57
astinuswe use DHCP to bounce the request (via next-server) to our LTSP box, which runs TFTP and the pxelinux.cfg/default is set to:13:00
astinusDEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img nosplash nbdport=200313:00
astinusinside that directory is all the usual stuff, vmlinuz + initrd + nbi13:00
astinusso the kernel seems to load fine... but something is causing /dev/nbd0 to not work :(13:01
ogragrep nbdroot /etc/inetd.conf ?13:01
astinusexists13:01
astinusand netstat shows them running fine13:01
ograi want to see the lines13:01
astinus2003           stream  tcp      nowait  nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/bytemark-hardy.img13:02
ograbytemark-hardy.img is what you built as new chroot/image ?13:02
astinuscorrect.13:02
ograok13:02
astinus289M -rwxr--r-- 1 root root 289M 2008-05-14 12:48 bytemark-hardy.img13:02
ogrades it work to run nbd-client as above from another machine13:03
ogra*does13:03
ograsudo modprobe nbd && sudo nbd-client <server ip> 2003 /dev/nbd013:03
astinus[alex #8] images > sudo nbd-client 89.16.168.152 2003 /dev/nbd013:04
astinusNegotiation: ..size = 295532KB13:04
astinusbs=1024, sz=29553213:04
ograhmm, looks fine as well13:04
astinusokay, after the DHCP ip config on boot13:05
astinusI do actually see the NBD negotiation happen and succeed13:05
ograaha13:05
astinusbut then I get the message above...13:05
astinuscan't get it onto /rofs13:05
astinuswhich is why its so puzzling....13:06
ograand you surely rebuilt the chroot and image and didnt just run apt-get dist-upgrade in there ?13:06
astinusyeah13:06
astinusit was totally rebuilt, after my Gutsy one stopped working13:07
ograit still smells like a wrongly set up initramfs to me13:07
astinusright.. so lets manually ensure thats correct, lemme chroot in, one sec13:07
astinusshould /etc/modules in a newly created chroot contain nbd + other stuff?13:07
ograno13:08
astinusthen how is the LTSP stuff building the initramfs?13:08
ograits set in  /usr/share/initramfs-tools/conf.d/ using teh script /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/ltsp-nbd during boot13:09
RichEdogra: when is today's meeting slot ?13:09
ograRichEd, i whish the fridge could tell13:10
stgrabersupposed to be a late one13:10
ograstgraber, did we do an early one last week ?13:10
astinus/usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts  << does not contain a ltsp-nbd script13:10
ograright13:10
ograastinus, in the chroot13:10
stgraberogra: kind of :)13:10
astinuscorrect.13:10
RichEdcool stgraber is as good as a fridge13:10
stgraberogra: you forgot about it and we talked for a sec in #edubuntu instead13:10
astinusoh wait, I'm being a muppet13:11
* astinus checks again13:11
ograstgraber, right, i justs couldnt remember the time, my wednesdays are overcaset by total tiredness nowadays, having my first meeting at 7am and intel calls afterwards isnt really relaxing :/13:12
astinusogra: Alright, I think it was missing NBD, maybe...13:14
astinusogra: I've built the initrd again with NBD explicitly enabled, and I'm now getting a nastier 'Negotiation: Error: Server closed connection.' message after the DHCP IP config stuff13:14
ograanything in the server logs ?13:15
astinuswhere does NBD log by default?13:17
astinusfinding it on the loghost via grep would take all day :(13:17
stgrabersyslog13:17
astinusHrmph13:18
astinusits looking for /opt/ltsp/images/amd64.img13:18
astinuswe're trying to supply it bytemark-hardy.img13:18
ograwhat is "it" ?13:19
ogranbdrootd or do you additionally have an nbd-server configured (dont do that)13:20
astinusokay, thats fixed13:20
astinusnbd_server[5836]: connect from 89.16.168.253, assigned file is /opt/ltsp/images/amd64.img13:20
astinusnbd_server[6199]: connect from 89.16.168.253, assigned file is /opt/ltsp/images/amd64.img13:21
astinusnbd_server[6199]: Size of exported file/device is 30262476813:21
astinusso that's now working, but we're back to the /rofs error13:21
ograright13:21
ograare your clients amd64 machines ?13:21
astinusthe chroot is i38613:21
astinusthe fact its looking for amd64.img is an anomaly13:21
astinusthe clients are a mixture13:21
ograwelll, you apparently boot amd6.img13:21
ograwhich indeed cant work at all13:22
astinuswhere is that configured though?13:22
ograinetd.conf13:22
astinusmy fix was simple, hardlink amd64.img -> bytemark-hardy.img13:22
ogradepending on eh port your kernel tries to connect to13:22
astinus2000           stream  tcp      nowait  nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/bytemark-hardy.img13:22
ograwell, your pxe config showed 2003 before for that image13:22
astinusI just altered that.13:22
astinusits expected.13:22
astinusnbdport=2000 is defined in the pxelinux.cfg file13:23
astinusit *is* mounting the image, as evidenced by nbd_server logs + the client showing the right sorta strings...13:23
astinusits just not able to do stuff *after* that for some reason13:23
ograit logs the connect attempt ...13:23
ogra*attempt* :)13:24
ograhmm13:24
ograthat server is amd64 ?13:24
astinuscorrect.13:24
ograhmm13:24
astinusclients are a mixture, so we do lowest common denominator and run i38613:24
astinusbut there's no reason interoperability between the two should be broken13:24
ogradid you run the rebuild like that: ltsp-build-client --arch i386 --chroot bytemark-hardy13:25
ogra?13:25
ograwhen you upgraded13:25
astinuswyeah13:26
ograso you are 100% positive you dont have an amd64 image now13:26
ogra?13:26
astinusyes13:26
ogra(which will be the default if you didnt additionally give the --arch option)13:27
astinusI definitely passed --arch and --chroot13:27
* astinus sighs13:36
astinusi'm adding tons of debug stuff to the script which is failing and we'll go from there I guess13:36
* ogra would try to mv /opt/ltsp /opt/ltsp.bak and re-run ltsp-build-client for a test13:37
* astinus is doing that too13:38
ograand also with a clean inetd.conf and tftp dir13:38
moquistWe have a clean install of 7.04 Edubuntu where adding -r to /etc/default/syslogd breaks TC booting. The server logs a DHCPOFFER, but the TC never gets it.14:15
ogramoquist, is there an /etc/ltsp/syslog file ?14:17
ograhmm, 7.04 ... ancient ....14:17
astinusheh, 12 months old != ancient14:19
ograin the ubuntu world ....14:19
astinusI really disagree with the notion a large organization should need to update every 6-12 months. It's just not feasible with 2500 servers. Heh.14:19
ograthats why we have LTS ;)14:19
astinusyeah, that was a fucking disaster with Dapper14:20
moquistogra: nope, doesn't look like default installs of Edubuntu 7.04 have /etc/ltsp/syslog*, though I don't have direct access to the box in question ATM.14:20
ogra(which i have to admit was not really great wrt ltsp for dapper)14:20
ogramoquist, i know the default hasnt :)14:20
moquistWell, everything was fine, and my colleague added the -r and everything broke, and then he took it back out and everything got better again. Weird.14:22
ograhmm14:22
ograDNS issue ?14:22
* ogra wonders if syslog tries host lookups14:23
moquisthow would that make DHCPOFFERs logged by the server never reach the TCs?14:23
ogragood question14:23
ogradid feisty have a syslog user ?14:24
* ogra cant remember14:24
ograif so, try -r -u syslog14:24
ograinstead of plain -r14:24
ograthat way it should at least not be able to interfer with dhcpd14:24
ograno matter what it does14:25
moquistogra: you're right; feisty's default "-u syslog" gets tromped by putting "-r" in /etc/default/syslogd14:27
moquistwe'll try that out14:27
moquistogra: thanks14:27
ogra:)14:27
komputesogra: ping17:23
ograkomputes, ?17:23
komputesogra: how are you?17:23
ograbusy packing my bags fr tomorrow :)17:24
komputesgunna be a fun trip?17:24
ogrameeting all ubuntu devs ? sure :)17:24
komputesogra: that awesome. just a quick question about the LTSPQuickInstall instructions from yesterday, I seem to be having trouble with DHCP since the server it is not listening on any interface.17:25
ogradid you configure the interfacs with a static IP as described ?17:26
ogra*interface17:26
komputesyes /etc/network/interfaces has been setup for static with address, netmask, network, broadcast, gateway, dns17:27
ografor which IP ?17:27
komputes192.168.0.14017:27
ograwell, then it should work, any messages in syslog ?17:27
ografrom dhcpd17:28
komputesi canb pastebin it if it would be more helpful17:28
komputeslet me check17:28
komputesogra: pretty much the same dhcp error "Not configured to listen on any interface"17:29
komputesthat and no subnet declaration for (restart 0.0.0.0)17:29
ograbut the 192.168.0.140 interface is up ?17:29
komputesyes17:29
komputesup with the ip i gave it and everything17:29
komputesi changed /etc/defaults/dhcp3-server to listen on eth0, still nada17:30
ogradont do that !17:30
komputesok will remore and retry17:30
ograrevert that change17:30
komputesremove*17:31
ogradhcpd checks all interfaces for a matching ip on startup, thats disabled if you specify one in that file17:31
komputesmake sense17:31
ograand interface names are not static nowadays17:31
ograyour eth0 might become eth1 or eth2 there is no guarantee it stays eth0 forever17:32
komputesdepending on which order the kernel loads them in, i.e. usb eth adapter can be placed at high priority and get eth0 before the intrgrated controller, yes17:32
komputesogra: ok so i will try restarting the dhcpd to see if it spits back an error17:33
komputessame thing, 1) No subnet declaration for restart (0.0.0.0) 2) Not configured to listen on any interfaces17:34
ogradid you make any changes to /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf ?17:35
komputesogra: how about the change i made to /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf17:35
komputesgreat minds think alike ha17:35
ograwell, fix the file :) by default it should just work17:36
ograwhat did you change ?17:36
komputeshttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=59916617:36
komputesjust like on there17:36
komputescopy paste17:36
komputesfirst post17:36
ograbut why ?17:37
komputesbecause i tried just booting a thinclient off the base ltsp server install and it did not work, so I tried configuring it17:37
ograindeed thats broken with the LTSPQuickinstall notes as well as the defaults17:37
komputes:-?17:37
* ogra shrieaks17:38
ograsudo sh -c 'echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward'17:38
ogra*SIGH*17:38
ograits fun if people dont know what they are doing and write documentation about it17:38
ograwhy the heck does the poster think he needs nat ?17:39
komputes;) welcome to Ubuntu!17:39
ograheh17:39
ograthe networks are separated on purpose by default :)17:39
ograits a feature that there is no nat (needed)17:39
ograyay for mixinag all available info for a topic across the board17:41
komputesI don't know that I made a point of NAT, i just copied the /etc/ltsp/dhcp and the /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/default/dhcp which i later reverted17:41
komputesactually the /etc/default change was recommended by a collegue, so all this being said and done, i'm still confused on how to setup an LTSP server and client.17:42
ograwell, for that setup you need a 192.168.1.XX network set up first place17:42
komputesogra: no need, it's just 2 pc's with a crossover17:42
ograwell, the instructions on LTSPQuickInstall should have given you a working ltsp without more configuration17:43
komputesdidn't17:43
komputesshoulda but didna17:43
ograbefore or after you fiddels with the files ?17:43
komputesbefore17:43
ograwell, would have been nice to ave a look at your setup back then17:43
komputesi can reset them all back to defaults and the dhcp server still won't start17:43
* ogra doubts that17:44
komputesogra: oh i'll just time machine system restore mya........oh17:44
* komputes sticks his head in the dirt17:44
ograthe dhcp server wil start as soon as you define an 192.168.1.X network or change the dhcpd.conf file to match the 192.168.0.x net you have now17:44
ograeither will make it start17:45
ograas i said before, the dhsp server looks for static interfaces matching the network setup in dhcpd.conf17:46
komputeslet me take a look17:46
ograif there is a declaration for 10.0.1.X you need an interface with a static ip like 10.0.1.1017:46
komputesok17:46
ograthe forums post simply breaks that default without noting it anywhere17:47
komputesso /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf need to match at which line?17:48
ograyour interface needs to match the network you declared in dhcpd.conf17:48
ogralook at the subnet and range declarations17:49
ogramake sure the IP in your interfaces file has the same first three bytes identical17:49
komputes ok interfaces was on 0.x and dhcpd.conf was on 1.x17:50
ograright17:50
ogramake them match17:50
ograthen start dhcpd17:50
ogra(and indeed make sure the interface actually uses the ip)17:50
ograifdown/ifup17:50
komputesogra: made them match, same error17:52
ograifconfig reports the interface runs with that ip ?17:52
komputes192.168.0.14017:53
ograand you changed the dhcpd.conf ?17:53
ograto match the 192.168.0. addresspace ?17:53
komputesmust it say 0.140 in dhcpd.conf?17:53
ograno17:53
komputesbecause i have that nowhere17:53
ograpastebin interfaces and dhcpd.conf17:53
komputesok17:54
komputesthanks for your hgelp btw17:54
komputesogra: pastebin.com/m1512ed7817:56
ograthese are the exact files ?17:58
ograand where is your loopback inerface in the ifconfig output ?17:59
ogra*interface17:59
komputesogra: i excluded lo and wifi018:01
ograand whats the output of: dpkg -l dhcp3-server18:01
ograwifi0 ?18:01
ograwhat ip does that have ?18:01
komputessorry wlan0, all disconnected no ip18:01
ograk18:02
komputesyou want the version?18:02
ograyes18:02
komputesdhcp3-server 3.0.6.dfsg-1ubuntu918:02
ograhmm, thas right as well18:03
komputesmmmhmmm18:03
komputesthat's why i'm kicking myself18:03
ograi see no reason why dhcpd wouldnt start in a default ubuntu hardy with ths setup18:03
ograits definately used in the default config by many many people18:04
* komputes sighs18:04
komputeswell thanks for the effort18:05
ograhmm18:05
ograthe error message you get is quite weird though18:05
komputestell me aboot it18:05
ograNo subnet declaration for restart (0.0.0.0)18:05
komputesand i did declare the subnet, but i think it may be lkooking in another file perhaps? maybe?18:06
ogranot if /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf exists18:06
komputesit does18:06
ograthat overrides everything18:06
ogragrep ltsp /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server18:07
ograjust to be sure18:07
komputesWOHOO18:08
ogra?18:08
komputesrestarted the computer and the thin client and I'm at the Usplash18:08
ograah, great18:08
ograi wonder why you couldnt restart dhcpd then18:08
ograhmm, well18:08
komputesi'll try it again now see if i get the same error18:09
komputes(that ios if i get a login prompt any time soon)    ;)18:09
ograyou wont ... if it started properly18:09
komputesblinking cursor in the corner (oh blinky what does thou want?)18:10
ogradid you add an lts.conf file (you shouldnt)18:11
komputesno18:12
ograwhat graphics card does the client have ?18:12
komputesamd18:13
ogrageode ?18:13
ogrageode is broken sadly, fix is on the way but might take some time still18:13
komputesno, not this one18:14
ograhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/21411918:14
komputesi'm working with the developer for geode on another box which is what i will be testing on this LTSP18:14
ograall that amd, nsc and geode stuff is a bit confused atm18:15
komputesThis one is just AMD not geode, but shouldn't that be automatically configured with the all wonderful new X in 8.0418:15
ograwell, it has issues there were naming and driver changes18:15
* komputes is getting anopther computer with intel video to see if he can network boot18:15
ograyou might need to create an lts.conf file and force XSERVER=amd or XSERVER=nsc (not sure which one your card needs)18:16
ograthe pci codes for amd/geode and nsc are messed up as i understand the bug18:16
komputeswhat if the network is made up of a slew of different computers (like many schools) with multiple random video cards?18:17
ograwell, apart from the geode mess it should be fine18:17
ograi have several via and trident clients here that all work without a hitch18:18
komputesok, i got to gdm for the ltsp with intel video, now i need to add a user18:18
ogras/gdm/ldm/ :)18:18
ograno xdmcp in ltsp518:18
komputesah18:18
komputesi just got used to calling login prompt gdm18:18
komputesit does look diff now that you mention it18:19
ogra(you can force it though, but nobody made the features work for it)18:19
ograldm has an unencrypted mode you can switch on in lts.conf with the LDM_DIRECTX variable18:19
ograin case you find the default encrypted ssh tunnel to slow18:20
komputeswell I think I can manage from here, but I do hope that this becomes simpler for educational purposes18:20
ograwell, if X isnt broken it usually works fine :)18:20
* ogra cant do much about upstream breaking the drivers18:21
komputestrue. true.18:21
komputesi'm working on it! ;)18:21
ograwhy are you not at UDS btw ?18:22
komputesalas I have no idea, i thought i was going18:22
ograQ-funk the debian maintainer of the geode/amd/nsc driver will be there18:22
komputesit's prague right?18:22
ograyep18:22
komputesi'm not much of a dev yet though18:22
komputesi'd love to meet everyone though18:23
ograyeah18:23
komputeswhen you see cr3's shirt, tell him komputes did a good job!18:24
ograwill do :)18:24
ograi'll surely spend one or the other evening with him :)18:24
ograeven though i dont see him listed on https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-intrepid18:25
=== juliux_ is now known as juliux
komputeshehe, you have to light a fire under his .... maybe then he'll sprint18:26
ogralol18:26
ograwell, i see him on the room list, all fine :)18:26
komputesbtw, just a follow up, i created a few users, no user can log into the LTSP server18:27
highvoltagehowdy. is there a meeting tonight?18:27
ograhighvoltage, RichEd wanted to make one, i'm not sure i can really pay attention though (packing here)18:29
komputesogra: and they all have permissions for FuseFS/LTSP18:29
ograkomputes, what does the login maager tell you ?18:29
RichEdogra & highvoltage : I have a phone interview at 9:00-10:00 pm ... I will pop into the channel after it ends.18:30
komputesogra: user settings or login window?18:30
ograkomputes, login window18:30
RichEdWe can see who is around for a meeting then,18:30
highvoltageRichEd: ok18:30
komputesogra: i love the names of the utilities changing every distro, it's so....um...consistant18:31
ograwell, whats the error you get trying to log in ?18:32
ograi bet its an ssh key issue because you used the wrong ip in the beginning18:32
komputesogra: ah, do i need to keygen on the server?18:33
ogra(so the workstation key isnt matching)18:33
ograkomputes,  depends what error message you get18:33
komputesit says that the users is not allowed to login via LTSP or something.brb18:33
ograthe exact message would be most helpful :)18:33
komputesrebooting because login window kept crashing18:34
ograif its "This *Workstation* isnt authorized ..." you need to run: sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys && sudo ltsp-update-image .... get a coffee, reboot the client and log in18:35
komputesok i can't get into Admin>Login Window at all, but i'll try that thx18:36
ogra????18:36
ograwhat are you talking about ?18:36
ograi'm taking about the login window on a thin client18:36
ograthe screen that comes up asking for userbame and password if you boot a client18:37
komputes<ogra> komputes, what does the login maager tell you ? <ogra> komputes, login window - ahhhh never mind18:37
komputesok the error on the client is: The workstation isn't authorized18:38
ograright18:38
ograrun the command from above18:38
komputesso let me try your recommendationsd18:38
ograsudo ltsp-update-sshkeys && sudo ltsp-update-image18:38
ogracopy paste that ;)18:38
ogra(and i'm serious about the coffee ... it takes a moment)18:39
komputeslunch time! yabadabadooo18:39
komputesthx ogra, lifesaver, truely18:39
ogra(all that doesnt happen if you configure the IP right in the beginning btw)18:39
komputesin the begining meaning debian installer blue screen?18:40
ograi guess all we deal with atm is based on that one issue18:40
ograno, before installing ltsp-server-standalone and running ltsp-build-client18:40
ograif the IP is set the keys are generated properly18:40
ogra(and the dhcpd.conf doesnt fail :) )18:40
komputesi didn't do that, i followed this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall18:40
ograYou need to set up one static network interface where you will attach the thin clients, install two packages and run one command.18:41
ograConfigure your spare interface for the thin clients to have the IP 192.168.0.1 (and make sure it is up and running), then follow the instructions below.18:41
komputesi did straigt from alternate CD not installing ltsp-server-standalone and running ltsp-build-client after18:41
ograthats the first two sentences on that page for installing ltsp on an existing system18:41
ograoh18:41
ografrom CD18:41
komputesright but you say "before" as if i had a "before point"18:41
ograwell, thats a prob with the wlan ... the trick here wzld have been to use the wlan as default device during install18:42
ogra*would18:42
ograthen ltsp your just have grabbed the cable device and claimed it18:42
ogra bet you installed with a cble plugged in and using that interface, right ?18:43
komputesnot sure how to do that durring the install, plus most wifi need drivers loaded to be configured, so that's not a solution really...18:43
ograwell, wlan in ltsp servers is really not the common case18:43
komputesogra: actually i didn't and i said do not config network18:43
ograthen the ltsp instaler ust at least have notified you that it couldnt do the standard setup and have told you to configure dhcpd.conf18:44
komputesnope, just rebooted into hardy.18:45
ograit checks if there are interfaces and if there is a spare one18:45
ograhmm18:45
ograno note at all ?18:45
komputesNone...well anyhow, i'm up and running now and I think the instructions should be tested/updated as necessary to make it easy for the end user18:45
ogracan you file a bug then ? it should at least have showed one note with instructions18:45
ogra(even though i must admit that i never tested installs on non networked servers, i wouldnt expect anyone to install an ltsp server that way)18:46
komputesogra: on my Todo: LP bug for warning user to configure LTSP networking and 2) Test solution again and update wiki18:46
ograplease add a new page18:46
ograthe instructions work for 90% of the users18:46
komputesas if there weren't enough ltsp page already18:46
komputesok I won't touch te wiki18:47
komputesi'll just test it again18:47
ograwell, i want that page to stay as small as possible with the common defaults and no confusing extra stuff18:47
komputesk18:47
ograadd stuff in the comments or add a new page with a descriptive name to the UbuntuLTSP directory there18:47
ograits really a quite special case to not use network at all on an ltsp server18:48
ogra(choosing no network at all will disable everything network related in the installer)18:48
komputesi thought chosing not to config the network at the installation point would just make the interface automatic, but i see what i did wrong...18:49
komputesogra thanks again18:49
ograwelcome :)18:50
* ogra goes on packing18:50
LaserJockdid I miss the meeting?19:37
stgraberLaserJock: nope, should be later in the evening, it's a late one19:41
stgraberLaserJock: but at least ogra and I are packing stuff for Prague so probably a bit busy :)19:41
LaserJockah, right19:42
LaserJockogra: is there going to be a meeting today or are you going to cancel due to UDS?19:42
ograwell, i'll follow with one eye19:44
ograand right has a phonecall within the meeting hour so might be late/distracted19:44
LaserJockRichEd: are you going to have something for the meeting?19:46
RichEdLaserJock: not much from my side ... was prepared to chat about UDS to see what people wanted brought in from community19:46
LaserJockk, I just wondered19:46
RichEdjust prepping for a phone interview now ... Linux Insider19:46
ogranice !19:46
ogratell them windows is crap :)19:47
LaserJockI'll stay for the meeting then, even if it's a short one :-)19:47
ogra(but they might know already)19:47
RichEdinterview spec:19:47
RichEdOpen source software is particularly suited to certain computing applicationsand in this feature I'm focusing on one of them -- thin-client computing.19:47
RichEd                 19:47
RichEd                And a few questions:19:47
RichEd                Why did they choose such a system?19:47
RichEd                      * Why is Linux the right operating system for a centralized structure?19:47
RichEd                      * What, most importantly, are the energy- and cost-savings benefits of setting things up this way?19:47
ograshweet !!19:48
RichEd= so a bit about LTSP started as s/w ... edubuntu etc.19:48
RichEd= then thin client -> h/w19:48
RichEd-> reference macedonia19:48
RichEd-> analagy: back to the mainframe green screen idea ... one "machine" shared19:49
RichEdand how low maintenance, single image wadda wadda19:50
RichEdthen how true thin client (diskless etc.) can drop power for a large group of machines19:50
stgraberhehe, looks like the kind of LTSP presentation I do (and the one I'm preparing) :)19:50
RichEdand that there are even battery solutions with mechinal charging running schools19:50
RichEd? seem reasonable thread ?19:50
RichEdright ... coffee ... and call up fact pages ...19:51
* RichEd will see you lated19:51
RichEd*later19:51
stgraberogra, RichEd: btw, I'm looking for some information about mass deployment of Ubuntu and Ubuntu+LTSP in schools for a talk I'll do next week, do you have something for me ? :)19:51
ographew19:51
RichEdmrm ... i can send macedonia ... but that is n-computing h/w splittiters ... but running ubuntu19:51
RichEdLTSP is more smaller scale ... low key ... but numbers add up19:52
RichEdsome info from a David Trask email may help ... remind me later19:52
RichEdgotta go !19:52
LaserJockogra: meeting time?21:03
* ogra wakes up21:04
ograyeah, why not :)21:04
LaserJockmore productive than -bugs at the moment :/21:04
ogra**************** Edubuntu Meeting *now* in #ubuntu-meeting **********************21:04
ograheh21:04
juliuxogra, something total different, are you chaning euros to czk in germany or in prague?21:19
ograi pay eith credit card where possible and pul czk from an ATM21:19
ogra*with21:19
ograbut then i never check or care .... no idea if thats better or worse21:20
stgrabersame for me, easiest21:20
ograhmm, doesnt look like we have any RichEd in the meeting21:27
RichEdhi ... just taking a quick break from the hour call ...21:29
RichEdam here now :)21:29
ograsadly Laser is gone, he asked about edu related (non tech ) specs21:30
ograi.e. app selection and the like21:30
RichEdcan he start some wiki pages ?21:31
ograwell, he only asked if womething was on the radar21:31
ogra*something21:31
ograi thought you has some specs from chris we talked about earlier21:31
ogra*had21:31
RichEdthen I'll hold discussion tracks (don't need to be in the scheduler) with the fringe education people21:31
RichEd(like educonlinux etc. to get a teacher viewpoint)21:32
RichEdfrom chris ?21:32
ograkenyon21:32
RichEd2 main ones I need to cover:21:32
ograyou said there was stuff in the queue he requested21:32
RichEd* implications of a name shift to ubuntu education21:32
ograiirc one was app related21:32
ograwe have 400M spare space we can fill21:33
RichEd-> irc, documentation, software package naming, download sites, web site, wiki site etc.21:33
=== RichEd_ is now known as RichEd
RichEddamn ... hit ADSL cap ... just ordered a new block of b/w21:43
RichEdmy last comments were:21:43
RichEd<RichEd> -> irc, documentation, software package naming, download sites, web site, wiki site etc.21:43
RichEd<RichEd> * how to get more direct input from teachers for guidance to direction21:43
RichEd<RichEd> ^ app selection / nomination should fit in there21:43
RichEd<RichEd> and if we have the right people (guadalinex ?) ... tools / functionality needed for large deployments21:43
RichEd<RichEd> --- that's my radar ---21:43
RichEd<RichEd> as well as cmpc ...21:43
RichEd<RichEd> and are we doing any more for content server / moodle ? adding wiki to the installation options ?21:43
RichEd--21:43
RichEdwhat did i miss ?21:43
ograwell, we have the moodle debian maintainer there and moquist21:44
ograwho might probably take over the debian package21:44
ogra(whch would be awesome to avoid differences)21:45
RichEdokay ... anestis and one or two others will be there for 3 days and keen to chat to moquist and you and moodle debian guy if relevent21:45
ogrado you know which days ?21:46
ogra(and which others )21:46
RichEdi'll have a more general session with them, and then we can plan the tech sides as a more formal BOF with input from the informal session21:47
RichEdi suggested mon-wed for them21:47
ograok21:47
ograjust makes sense to not have overlap with intel21:47
ograboth can be quite time demanding i imagine21:48
ograwill be a funny UDS for me .... first time since 3 years that my focus is actually on more tech stuff than edu21:48
RichEdi'll do a lot of the intel stuff in advance of needing you so that you can get your main specs going21:49
RichEdas per the chat this morning ... if we can get them to dovetail instead of pulling at 45degrees it will make life easier for all21:49
ograyeah21:50
ograwell i found the idea to contribute to italc very nice :)21:50
ogratehy start to get the concept ;)21:50
ogra*they21:50
ograwe need to build on that for other stuff21:53
=== RichEd_ is now known as RichEd
* RichEd mutters some more21:58
RichEdmust be a sign that it's time to head for away from PC time ... what else do we need to go though tonight ?21:59
ogranothing really22:00
ograi'm still not done with packing and only had 4h sleep will be a fun day :/22:00
RichEdwell i'm going to head off as well ... chat to you tomorrow before you run off to the airport22:06
* ogra UGHs22:07
ograLaser just resigned from edubuntu bugsquad22:07
ograand stepped back from his dev duties in MOTU22:07
bimberiHe has a dissertation to finish22:07
ograI cherish the time I've had to work with you all and count many of you as22:07
ograsome of my very best friends. Good luck with Intrepid.22:07
ogra:(22:07
bimberiyes :(22:08
RichEdmiff :( ... grown up life calls everyone I suppose22:09
ograi uess i need to take ove his merges then22:09
ograah, not that much22:11
xiagoxso edubuntu doesn't have all support for spanish23:14
xiagoxcan I install it from ubuntu then?23:14
ograits he same :)23:15
ogra*the23:15
ogra(meaning: yes, you can23:15
ogra)23:15
xiagoxso edubuntu -is- missing that support right?23:16
ograwht are you refering to exactly ?23:16
ograedubuntu is sn addon ot ubuntu with hardy23:16
ograso it deends how you installed the ubuntu you base on23:16
xiagoxyou need to install language-es post install23:16
ogra*depends23:17
xiagoxso can i do that from a ubuntu cd instead of the internet?23:17
ograwith hardy you have to23:17
ograthere is no edubuntu install CD anymore23:17
xiagoxreally?!23:17
ograonly the add-on CD that can be used to install edubuntu-desktop on top of an existing ubuntu23:17
ogra(which is how it always worked just a bit more hidden from the user)23:18
xiagoxah i see23:18
xiagoxso i already have ubuntu, so all i need is the addon and it's magically edubuntu?23:19
ograright23:19
xiagoxthat's great thanks alot :)23:19
ograhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyClassroomServer#head-7d164dd6ce5d6e99bc8403e65eb2286fbd87f74923:19
ograbah23:19

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