achandrashekar | hello..does anyone know how to configure nbdswapd.conf | 05:22 |
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achandrashekar | i have a 30 clients that hav about 383mb a piece.. | 05:22 |
achandrashekar | they are all p3s | 05:22 |
johnny | it's an lts.conf parameter | 05:22 |
achandrashekar | oh..no need to create the nbdwapd.conf file anymore? | 05:23 |
achandrashekar | in 8.04? | 05:23 |
achandrashekar | or is that appended to lts.conf now. | 05:23 |
achandrashekar | ?? | 05:23 |
achandrashekar | specifically i need to know what to set the value to...i.e...if each system has 383mb what to set it to. | 05:24 |
achandrashekar | SIZE=?? | 05:24 |
stgraber | ogra: btw, just reminding you to ask about my CMPC for iTalc testing :) (I also poked RichEd) | 07:58 |
RichEd | stgraber: i asked in a mail last night :) ... we meet with them in 2 min | 07:59 |
RichEd | no promise of rapid response ... but the topic has been raised | 07:59 |
stgraber | RichEd: cool, thanks | 07:59 |
neil | Hi I am trying to setup faxing for the clients, what is the best way to do this? GFax isn't working fully :(, efax-gtk dosen't put its phone number on the correct screen :( | 09:08 |
johnny | you should probably file a bug | 09:14 |
johnny | for efax-gtk | 09:14 |
johnny | and also find out their mailing lists or something | 09:14 |
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neil | I have installed the ltsp-server package, but the tftp server isn't working :( I tested with another computer with the 'tftp' program, what could be stoping it ? | 10:33 |
astinus | Can anyone suggest a more appropriate channel to discuss serious LTSP issues with Hardy? | 12:47 |
astinus | or did I manage to land in the correct place :) | 12:47 |
ogra | astinus, here or #ltsp is fine | 12:49 |
ogra | most ppl here are in both channels anyway :) | 12:50 |
astinus | ogra: I'm getting a nasty /dev/nbd0 on /rofs issue | 12:51 |
stgraber | what kind ? | 12:51 |
astinus | ogra: we just regenerated SSH keys for our LTSP server, it had been dist-upgraded to Hardy previously but we'd kept the LTSP NBD chroot as Gutsy for some decent enough reasons | 12:52 |
ogra | thats likely to break | 12:52 |
astinus | anyway... that went boom when the SSH key change happened, and squashfs-tools appears to have changed in Hardy such that it no longer builds viable stuff | 12:52 |
astinus | *so* I rebuilt a brand new chroot using ltsp-build-blah which also fails | 12:52 |
astinus | its being exported via NBD just fine, the DHCP servers and TFTP is fine too :( | 12:53 |
ogra | so whats the exact error message | 12:53 |
astinus | Mounting /dev/nbd0 on /rofs failed: No such device | 12:53 |
ogra | and how exactly did you rebuild ? did you properly clean out /opt/ltsp = | 12:53 |
stgraber | are you sure your client is running Hardy's kernel ? (2.6.24-16) | 12:54 |
ogra | " No such device" sounds like a kernel issue | 12:54 |
astinus | yeah.. we have a somewhat hacked environment because we cannot run DHCP on our LTSP boxes, but /opt/ltsp on the servers got wiped, and its definitely running a Hardy kernel | 12:54 |
stgraber | can you try to : modprobe nbd | 12:54 |
stgraber | on a client | 12:54 |
ogra | in busybox | 12:54 |
astinus | sec | 12:54 |
astinus | modprobe nbd works | 12:55 |
ogra | that looks like you are not using an ltsp initramfs | 12:55 |
ogra | (which forcefully lodas nbd) | 12:56 |
stgraber | astinus: try, nbdclient <server> <port> /dev/nbd0 | 12:56 |
astinus | stgraber: I can't do that, busybox has no concept of nbdclient | 12:56 |
ogra | nbd-client | 12:57 |
ogra | (missing a dash) | 12:57 |
stgraber | hmm, right nbd-client :) | 12:57 |
astinus | generates a large stack trace | 12:57 |
astinus | with end error message being "File exists." | 12:57 |
astinus | we use DHCP to bounce the request (via next-server) to our LTSP box, which runs TFTP and the pxelinux.cfg/default is set to: | 13:00 |
astinus | DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img nosplash nbdport=2003 | 13:00 |
astinus | inside that directory is all the usual stuff, vmlinuz + initrd + nbi | 13:00 |
astinus | so the kernel seems to load fine... but something is causing /dev/nbd0 to not work :( | 13:01 |
ogra | grep nbdroot /etc/inetd.conf ? | 13:01 |
astinus | exists | 13:01 |
astinus | and netstat shows them running fine | 13:01 |
ogra | i want to see the lines | 13:01 |
astinus | 2003 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/bytemark-hardy.img | 13:02 |
ogra | bytemark-hardy.img is what you built as new chroot/image ? | 13:02 |
astinus | correct. | 13:02 |
ogra | ok | 13:02 |
astinus | 289M -rwxr--r-- 1 root root 289M 2008-05-14 12:48 bytemark-hardy.img | 13:02 |
ogra | des it work to run nbd-client as above from another machine | 13:03 |
ogra | *does | 13:03 |
ogra | sudo modprobe nbd && sudo nbd-client <server ip> 2003 /dev/nbd0 | 13:03 |
astinus | [alex #8] images > sudo nbd-client 89.16.168.152 2003 /dev/nbd0 | 13:04 |
astinus | Negotiation: ..size = 295532KB | 13:04 |
astinus | bs=1024, sz=295532 | 13:04 |
ogra | hmm, looks fine as well | 13:04 |
astinus | okay, after the DHCP ip config on boot | 13:05 |
astinus | I do actually see the NBD negotiation happen and succeed | 13:05 |
ogra | aha | 13:05 |
astinus | but then I get the message above... | 13:05 |
astinus | can't get it onto /rofs | 13:05 |
astinus | which is why its so puzzling.... | 13:06 |
ogra | and you surely rebuilt the chroot and image and didnt just run apt-get dist-upgrade in there ? | 13:06 |
astinus | yeah | 13:06 |
astinus | it was totally rebuilt, after my Gutsy one stopped working | 13:07 |
ogra | it still smells like a wrongly set up initramfs to me | 13:07 |
astinus | right.. so lets manually ensure thats correct, lemme chroot in, one sec | 13:07 |
astinus | should /etc/modules in a newly created chroot contain nbd + other stuff? | 13:07 |
ogra | no | 13:08 |
astinus | then how is the LTSP stuff building the initramfs? | 13:08 |
ogra | its set in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/conf.d/ using teh script /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/ltsp-nbd during boot | 13:09 |
RichEd | ogra: when is today's meeting slot ? | 13:09 |
ogra | RichEd, i whish the fridge could tell | 13:10 |
stgraber | supposed to be a late one | 13:10 |
ogra | stgraber, did we do an early one last week ? | 13:10 |
astinus | /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts << does not contain a ltsp-nbd script | 13:10 |
ogra | right | 13:10 |
ogra | astinus, in the chroot | 13:10 |
stgraber | ogra: kind of :) | 13:10 |
astinus | correct. | 13:10 |
RichEd | cool stgraber is as good as a fridge | 13:10 |
stgraber | ogra: you forgot about it and we talked for a sec in #edubuntu instead | 13:10 |
astinus | oh wait, I'm being a muppet | 13:11 |
* astinus checks again | 13:11 | |
ogra | stgraber, right, i justs couldnt remember the time, my wednesdays are overcaset by total tiredness nowadays, having my first meeting at 7am and intel calls afterwards isnt really relaxing :/ | 13:12 |
astinus | ogra: Alright, I think it was missing NBD, maybe... | 13:14 |
astinus | ogra: I've built the initrd again with NBD explicitly enabled, and I'm now getting a nastier 'Negotiation: Error: Server closed connection.' message after the DHCP IP config stuff | 13:14 |
ogra | anything in the server logs ? | 13:15 |
astinus | where does NBD log by default? | 13:17 |
astinus | finding it on the loghost via grep would take all day :( | 13:17 |
stgraber | syslog | 13:17 |
astinus | Hrmph | 13:18 |
astinus | its looking for /opt/ltsp/images/amd64.img | 13:18 |
astinus | we're trying to supply it bytemark-hardy.img | 13:18 |
ogra | what is "it" ? | 13:19 |
ogra | nbdrootd or do you additionally have an nbd-server configured (dont do that) | 13:20 |
astinus | okay, thats fixed | 13:20 |
astinus | nbd_server[5836]: connect from 89.16.168.253, assigned file is /opt/ltsp/images/amd64.img | 13:20 |
astinus | nbd_server[6199]: connect from 89.16.168.253, assigned file is /opt/ltsp/images/amd64.img | 13:21 |
astinus | nbd_server[6199]: Size of exported file/device is 302624768 | 13:21 |
astinus | so that's now working, but we're back to the /rofs error | 13:21 |
ogra | right | 13:21 |
ogra | are your clients amd64 machines ? | 13:21 |
astinus | the chroot is i386 | 13:21 |
astinus | the fact its looking for amd64.img is an anomaly | 13:21 |
astinus | the clients are a mixture | 13:21 |
ogra | welll, you apparently boot amd6.img | 13:21 |
ogra | which indeed cant work at all | 13:22 |
astinus | where is that configured though? | 13:22 |
ogra | inetd.conf | 13:22 |
astinus | my fix was simple, hardlink amd64.img -> bytemark-hardy.img | 13:22 |
ogra | depending on eh port your kernel tries to connect to | 13:22 |
astinus | 2000 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/bytemark-hardy.img | 13:22 |
ogra | well, your pxe config showed 2003 before for that image | 13:22 |
astinus | I just altered that. | 13:22 |
astinus | its expected. | 13:22 |
astinus | nbdport=2000 is defined in the pxelinux.cfg file | 13:23 |
astinus | it *is* mounting the image, as evidenced by nbd_server logs + the client showing the right sorta strings... | 13:23 |
astinus | its just not able to do stuff *after* that for some reason | 13:23 |
ogra | it logs the connect attempt ... | 13:23 |
ogra | *attempt* :) | 13:24 |
ogra | hmm | 13:24 |
ogra | that server is amd64 ? | 13:24 |
astinus | correct. | 13:24 |
ogra | hmm | 13:24 |
astinus | clients are a mixture, so we do lowest common denominator and run i386 | 13:24 |
astinus | but there's no reason interoperability between the two should be broken | 13:24 |
ogra | did you run the rebuild like that: ltsp-build-client --arch i386 --chroot bytemark-hardy | 13:25 |
ogra | ? | 13:25 |
ogra | when you upgraded | 13:25 |
astinus | wyeah | 13:26 |
ogra | so you are 100% positive you dont have an amd64 image now | 13:26 |
ogra | ? | 13:26 |
astinus | yes | 13:26 |
ogra | (which will be the default if you didnt additionally give the --arch option) | 13:27 |
astinus | I definitely passed --arch and --chroot | 13:27 |
* astinus sighs | 13:36 | |
astinus | i'm adding tons of debug stuff to the script which is failing and we'll go from there I guess | 13:36 |
* ogra would try to mv /opt/ltsp /opt/ltsp.bak and re-run ltsp-build-client for a test | 13:37 | |
* astinus is doing that too | 13:38 | |
ogra | and also with a clean inetd.conf and tftp dir | 13:38 |
moquist | We have a clean install of 7.04 Edubuntu where adding -r to /etc/default/syslogd breaks TC booting. The server logs a DHCPOFFER, but the TC never gets it. | 14:15 |
ogra | moquist, is there an /etc/ltsp/syslog file ? | 14:17 |
ogra | hmm, 7.04 ... ancient .... | 14:17 |
astinus | heh, 12 months old != ancient | 14:19 |
ogra | in the ubuntu world .... | 14:19 |
astinus | I really disagree with the notion a large organization should need to update every 6-12 months. It's just not feasible with 2500 servers. Heh. | 14:19 |
ogra | thats why we have LTS ;) | 14:19 |
astinus | yeah, that was a fucking disaster with Dapper | 14:20 |
moquist | ogra: nope, doesn't look like default installs of Edubuntu 7.04 have /etc/ltsp/syslog*, though I don't have direct access to the box in question ATM. | 14:20 |
ogra | (which i have to admit was not really great wrt ltsp for dapper) | 14:20 |
ogra | moquist, i know the default hasnt :) | 14:20 |
moquist | Well, everything was fine, and my colleague added the -r and everything broke, and then he took it back out and everything got better again. Weird. | 14:22 |
ogra | hmm | 14:22 |
ogra | DNS issue ? | 14:22 |
* ogra wonders if syslog tries host lookups | 14:23 | |
moquist | how would that make DHCPOFFERs logged by the server never reach the TCs? | 14:23 |
ogra | good question | 14:23 |
ogra | did feisty have a syslog user ? | 14:24 |
* ogra cant remember | 14:24 | |
ogra | if so, try -r -u syslog | 14:24 |
ogra | instead of plain -r | 14:24 |
ogra | that way it should at least not be able to interfer with dhcpd | 14:24 |
ogra | no matter what it does | 14:25 |
moquist | ogra: you're right; feisty's default "-u syslog" gets tromped by putting "-r" in /etc/default/syslogd | 14:27 |
moquist | we'll try that out | 14:27 |
moquist | ogra: thanks | 14:27 |
ogra | :) | 14:27 |
komputes | ogra: ping | 17:23 |
ogra | komputes, ? | 17:23 |
komputes | ogra: how are you? | 17:23 |
ogra | busy packing my bags fr tomorrow :) | 17:24 |
komputes | gunna be a fun trip? | 17:24 |
ogra | meeting all ubuntu devs ? sure :) | 17:24 |
komputes | ogra: that awesome. just a quick question about the LTSPQuickInstall instructions from yesterday, I seem to be having trouble with DHCP since the server it is not listening on any interface. | 17:25 |
ogra | did you configure the interfacs with a static IP as described ? | 17:26 |
ogra | *interface | 17:26 |
komputes | yes /etc/network/interfaces has been setup for static with address, netmask, network, broadcast, gateway, dns | 17:27 |
ogra | for which IP ? | 17:27 |
komputes | 192.168.0.140 | 17:27 |
ogra | well, then it should work, any messages in syslog ? | 17:27 |
ogra | from dhcpd | 17:28 |
komputes | i canb pastebin it if it would be more helpful | 17:28 |
komputes | let me check | 17:28 |
komputes | ogra: pretty much the same dhcp error "Not configured to listen on any interface" | 17:29 |
komputes | that and no subnet declaration for (restart 0.0.0.0) | 17:29 |
ogra | but the 192.168.0.140 interface is up ? | 17:29 |
komputes | yes | 17:29 |
komputes | up with the ip i gave it and everything | 17:29 |
komputes | i changed /etc/defaults/dhcp3-server to listen on eth0, still nada | 17:30 |
ogra | dont do that ! | 17:30 |
komputes | ok will remore and retry | 17:30 |
ogra | revert that change | 17:30 |
komputes | remove* | 17:31 |
ogra | dhcpd checks all interfaces for a matching ip on startup, thats disabled if you specify one in that file | 17:31 |
komputes | make sense | 17:31 |
ogra | and interface names are not static nowadays | 17:31 |
ogra | your eth0 might become eth1 or eth2 there is no guarantee it stays eth0 forever | 17:32 |
komputes | depending on which order the kernel loads them in, i.e. usb eth adapter can be placed at high priority and get eth0 before the intrgrated controller, yes | 17:32 |
komputes | ogra: ok so i will try restarting the dhcpd to see if it spits back an error | 17:33 |
komputes | same thing, 1) No subnet declaration for restart (0.0.0.0) 2) Not configured to listen on any interfaces | 17:34 |
ogra | did you make any changes to /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf ? | 17:35 |
komputes | ogra: how about the change i made to /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf | 17:35 |
komputes | great minds think alike ha | 17:35 |
ogra | well, fix the file :) by default it should just work | 17:36 |
ogra | what did you change ? | 17:36 |
komputes | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=599166 | 17:36 |
komputes | just like on there | 17:36 |
komputes | copy paste | 17:36 |
komputes | first post | 17:36 |
ogra | but why ? | 17:37 |
komputes | because i tried just booting a thinclient off the base ltsp server install and it did not work, so I tried configuring it | 17:37 |
ogra | indeed thats broken with the LTSPQuickinstall notes as well as the defaults | 17:37 |
komputes | :-? | 17:37 |
* ogra shrieaks | 17:38 | |
ogra | sudo sh -c 'echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward' | 17:38 |
ogra | *SIGH* | 17:38 |
ogra | its fun if people dont know what they are doing and write documentation about it | 17:38 |
ogra | why the heck does the poster think he needs nat ? | 17:39 |
komputes | ;) welcome to Ubuntu! | 17:39 |
ogra | heh | 17:39 |
ogra | the networks are separated on purpose by default :) | 17:39 |
ogra | its a feature that there is no nat (needed) | 17:39 |
ogra | yay for mixinag all available info for a topic across the board | 17:41 |
komputes | I don't know that I made a point of NAT, i just copied the /etc/ltsp/dhcp and the /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/default/dhcp which i later reverted | 17:41 |
komputes | actually the /etc/default change was recommended by a collegue, so all this being said and done, i'm still confused on how to setup an LTSP server and client. | 17:42 |
ogra | well, for that setup you need a 192.168.1.XX network set up first place | 17:42 |
komputes | ogra: no need, it's just 2 pc's with a crossover | 17:42 |
ogra | well, the instructions on LTSPQuickInstall should have given you a working ltsp without more configuration | 17:43 |
komputes | didn't | 17:43 |
komputes | shoulda but didna | 17:43 |
ogra | before or after you fiddels with the files ? | 17:43 |
komputes | before | 17:43 |
ogra | well, would have been nice to ave a look at your setup back then | 17:43 |
komputes | i can reset them all back to defaults and the dhcp server still won't start | 17:43 |
* ogra doubts that | 17:44 | |
komputes | ogra: oh i'll just time machine system restore mya........oh | 17:44 |
* komputes sticks his head in the dirt | 17:44 | |
ogra | the dhcp server wil start as soon as you define an 192.168.1.X network or change the dhcpd.conf file to match the 192.168.0.x net you have now | 17:44 |
ogra | either will make it start | 17:45 |
ogra | as i said before, the dhsp server looks for static interfaces matching the network setup in dhcpd.conf | 17:46 |
komputes | let me take a look | 17:46 |
ogra | if there is a declaration for 10.0.1.X you need an interface with a static ip like 10.0.1.10 | 17:46 |
komputes | ok | 17:46 |
ogra | the forums post simply breaks that default without noting it anywhere | 17:47 |
komputes | so /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf need to match at which line? | 17:48 |
ogra | your interface needs to match the network you declared in dhcpd.conf | 17:48 |
ogra | look at the subnet and range declarations | 17:49 |
ogra | make sure the IP in your interfaces file has the same first three bytes identical | 17:49 |
komputes | ok interfaces was on 0.x and dhcpd.conf was on 1.x | 17:50 |
ogra | right | 17:50 |
ogra | make them match | 17:50 |
ogra | then start dhcpd | 17:50 |
ogra | (and indeed make sure the interface actually uses the ip) | 17:50 |
ogra | ifdown/ifup | 17:50 |
komputes | ogra: made them match, same error | 17:52 |
ogra | ifconfig reports the interface runs with that ip ? | 17:52 |
komputes | 192.168.0.140 | 17:53 |
ogra | and you changed the dhcpd.conf ? | 17:53 |
ogra | to match the 192.168.0. addresspace ? | 17:53 |
komputes | must it say 0.140 in dhcpd.conf? | 17:53 |
ogra | no | 17:53 |
komputes | because i have that nowhere | 17:53 |
ogra | pastebin interfaces and dhcpd.conf | 17:53 |
komputes | ok | 17:54 |
komputes | thanks for your hgelp btw | 17:54 |
komputes | ogra: pastebin.com/m1512ed78 | 17:56 |
ogra | these are the exact files ? | 17:58 |
ogra | and where is your loopback inerface in the ifconfig output ? | 17:59 |
ogra | *interface | 17:59 |
komputes | ogra: i excluded lo and wifi0 | 18:01 |
ogra | and whats the output of: dpkg -l dhcp3-server | 18:01 |
ogra | wifi0 ? | 18:01 |
ogra | what ip does that have ? | 18:01 |
komputes | sorry wlan0, all disconnected no ip | 18:01 |
ogra | k | 18:02 |
komputes | you want the version? | 18:02 |
ogra | yes | 18:02 |
komputes | dhcp3-server 3.0.6.dfsg-1ubuntu9 | 18:02 |
ogra | hmm, thas right as well | 18:03 |
komputes | mmmhmmm | 18:03 |
komputes | that's why i'm kicking myself | 18:03 |
ogra | i see no reason why dhcpd wouldnt start in a default ubuntu hardy with ths setup | 18:03 |
ogra | its definately used in the default config by many many people | 18:04 |
* komputes sighs | 18:04 | |
komputes | well thanks for the effort | 18:05 |
ogra | hmm | 18:05 |
ogra | the error message you get is quite weird though | 18:05 |
komputes | tell me aboot it | 18:05 |
ogra | No subnet declaration for restart (0.0.0.0) | 18:05 |
komputes | and i did declare the subnet, but i think it may be lkooking in another file perhaps? maybe? | 18:06 |
ogra | not if /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf exists | 18:06 |
komputes | it does | 18:06 |
ogra | that overrides everything | 18:06 |
ogra | grep ltsp /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server | 18:07 |
ogra | just to be sure | 18:07 |
komputes | WOHOO | 18:08 |
ogra | ? | 18:08 |
komputes | restarted the computer and the thin client and I'm at the Usplash | 18:08 |
ogra | ah, great | 18:08 |
ogra | i wonder why you couldnt restart dhcpd then | 18:08 |
ogra | hmm, well | 18:08 |
komputes | i'll try it again now see if i get the same error | 18:09 |
komputes | (that ios if i get a login prompt any time soon) ;) | 18:09 |
ogra | you wont ... if it started properly | 18:09 |
komputes | blinking cursor in the corner (oh blinky what does thou want?) | 18:10 |
ogra | did you add an lts.conf file (you shouldnt) | 18:11 |
komputes | no | 18:12 |
ogra | what graphics card does the client have ? | 18:12 |
komputes | amd | 18:13 |
ogra | geode ? | 18:13 |
ogra | geode is broken sadly, fix is on the way but might take some time still | 18:13 |
komputes | no, not this one | 18:14 |
ogra | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/214119 | 18:14 |
komputes | i'm working with the developer for geode on another box which is what i will be testing on this LTSP | 18:14 |
ogra | all that amd, nsc and geode stuff is a bit confused atm | 18:15 |
komputes | This one is just AMD not geode, but shouldn't that be automatically configured with the all wonderful new X in 8.04 | 18:15 |
ogra | well, it has issues there were naming and driver changes | 18:15 |
* komputes is getting anopther computer with intel video to see if he can network boot | 18:15 | |
ogra | you might need to create an lts.conf file and force XSERVER=amd or XSERVER=nsc (not sure which one your card needs) | 18:16 |
ogra | the pci codes for amd/geode and nsc are messed up as i understand the bug | 18:16 |
komputes | what if the network is made up of a slew of different computers (like many schools) with multiple random video cards? | 18:17 |
ogra | well, apart from the geode mess it should be fine | 18:17 |
ogra | i have several via and trident clients here that all work without a hitch | 18:18 |
komputes | ok, i got to gdm for the ltsp with intel video, now i need to add a user | 18:18 |
ogra | s/gdm/ldm/ :) | 18:18 |
ogra | no xdmcp in ltsp5 | 18:18 |
komputes | ah | 18:18 |
komputes | i just got used to calling login prompt gdm | 18:18 |
komputes | it does look diff now that you mention it | 18:19 |
ogra | (you can force it though, but nobody made the features work for it) | 18:19 |
ogra | ldm has an unencrypted mode you can switch on in lts.conf with the LDM_DIRECTX variable | 18:19 |
ogra | in case you find the default encrypted ssh tunnel to slow | 18:20 |
komputes | well I think I can manage from here, but I do hope that this becomes simpler for educational purposes | 18:20 |
ogra | well, if X isnt broken it usually works fine :) | 18:20 |
* ogra cant do much about upstream breaking the drivers | 18:21 | |
komputes | true. true. | 18:21 |
komputes | i'm working on it! ;) | 18:21 |
ogra | why are you not at UDS btw ? | 18:22 |
komputes | alas I have no idea, i thought i was going | 18:22 |
ogra | Q-funk the debian maintainer of the geode/amd/nsc driver will be there | 18:22 |
komputes | it's prague right? | 18:22 |
ogra | yep | 18:22 |
komputes | i'm not much of a dev yet though | 18:22 |
komputes | i'd love to meet everyone though | 18:23 |
ogra | yeah | 18:23 |
komputes | when you see cr3's shirt, tell him komputes did a good job! | 18:24 |
ogra | will do :) | 18:24 |
ogra | i'll surely spend one or the other evening with him :) | 18:24 |
ogra | even though i dont see him listed on https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-intrepid | 18:25 |
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komputes | hehe, you have to light a fire under his .... maybe then he'll sprint | 18:26 |
ogra | lol | 18:26 |
ogra | well, i see him on the room list, all fine :) | 18:26 |
komputes | btw, just a follow up, i created a few users, no user can log into the LTSP server | 18:27 |
highvoltage | howdy. is there a meeting tonight? | 18:27 |
ogra | highvoltage, RichEd wanted to make one, i'm not sure i can really pay attention though (packing here) | 18:29 |
komputes | ogra: and they all have permissions for FuseFS/LTSP | 18:29 |
ogra | komputes, what does the login maager tell you ? | 18:29 |
RichEd | ogra & highvoltage : I have a phone interview at 9:00-10:00 pm ... I will pop into the channel after it ends. | 18:30 |
komputes | ogra: user settings or login window? | 18:30 |
ogra | komputes, login window | 18:30 |
RichEd | We can see who is around for a meeting then, | 18:30 |
highvoltage | RichEd: ok | 18:30 |
komputes | ogra: i love the names of the utilities changing every distro, it's so....um...consistant | 18:31 |
ogra | well, whats the error you get trying to log in ? | 18:32 |
ogra | i bet its an ssh key issue because you used the wrong ip in the beginning | 18:32 |
komputes | ogra: ah, do i need to keygen on the server? | 18:33 |
ogra | (so the workstation key isnt matching) | 18:33 |
ogra | komputes, depends what error message you get | 18:33 |
komputes | it says that the users is not allowed to login via LTSP or something.brb | 18:33 |
ogra | the exact message would be most helpful :) | 18:33 |
komputes | rebooting because login window kept crashing | 18:34 |
ogra | if its "This *Workstation* isnt authorized ..." you need to run: sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys && sudo ltsp-update-image .... get a coffee, reboot the client and log in | 18:35 |
komputes | ok i can't get into Admin>Login Window at all, but i'll try that thx | 18:36 |
ogra | ???? | 18:36 |
ogra | what are you talking about ? | 18:36 |
ogra | i'm taking about the login window on a thin client | 18:36 |
ogra | the screen that comes up asking for userbame and password if you boot a client | 18:37 |
komputes | <ogra> komputes, what does the login maager tell you ? <ogra> komputes, login window - ahhhh never mind | 18:37 |
komputes | ok the error on the client is: The workstation isn't authorized | 18:38 |
ogra | right | 18:38 |
ogra | run the command from above | 18:38 |
komputes | so let me try your recommendationsd | 18:38 |
ogra | sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys && sudo ltsp-update-image | 18:38 |
ogra | copy paste that ;) | 18:38 |
ogra | (and i'm serious about the coffee ... it takes a moment) | 18:39 |
komputes | lunch time! yabadabadooo | 18:39 |
komputes | thx ogra, lifesaver, truely | 18:39 |
ogra | (all that doesnt happen if you configure the IP right in the beginning btw) | 18:39 |
komputes | in the begining meaning debian installer blue screen? | 18:40 |
ogra | i guess all we deal with atm is based on that one issue | 18:40 |
ogra | no, before installing ltsp-server-standalone and running ltsp-build-client | 18:40 |
ogra | if the IP is set the keys are generated properly | 18:40 |
ogra | (and the dhcpd.conf doesnt fail :) ) | 18:40 |
komputes | i didn't do that, i followed this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall | 18:40 |
ogra | You need to set up one static network interface where you will attach the thin clients, install two packages and run one command. | 18:41 |
ogra | Configure your spare interface for the thin clients to have the IP 192.168.0.1 (and make sure it is up and running), then follow the instructions below. | 18:41 |
komputes | i did straigt from alternate CD not installing ltsp-server-standalone and running ltsp-build-client after | 18:41 |
ogra | thats the first two sentences on that page for installing ltsp on an existing system | 18:41 |
ogra | oh | 18:41 |
ogra | from CD | 18:41 |
komputes | right but you say "before" as if i had a "before point" | 18:41 |
ogra | well, thats a prob with the wlan ... the trick here wzld have been to use the wlan as default device during install | 18:42 |
ogra | *would | 18:42 |
ogra | then ltsp your just have grabbed the cable device and claimed it | 18:42 |
ogra | bet you installed with a cble plugged in and using that interface, right ? | 18:43 |
komputes | not sure how to do that durring the install, plus most wifi need drivers loaded to be configured, so that's not a solution really... | 18:43 |
ogra | well, wlan in ltsp servers is really not the common case | 18:43 |
komputes | ogra: actually i didn't and i said do not config network | 18:43 |
ogra | then the ltsp instaler ust at least have notified you that it couldnt do the standard setup and have told you to configure dhcpd.conf | 18:44 |
komputes | nope, just rebooted into hardy. | 18:45 |
ogra | it checks if there are interfaces and if there is a spare one | 18:45 |
ogra | hmm | 18:45 |
ogra | no note at all ? | 18:45 |
komputes | None...well anyhow, i'm up and running now and I think the instructions should be tested/updated as necessary to make it easy for the end user | 18:45 |
ogra | can you file a bug then ? it should at least have showed one note with instructions | 18:45 |
ogra | (even though i must admit that i never tested installs on non networked servers, i wouldnt expect anyone to install an ltsp server that way) | 18:46 |
komputes | ogra: on my Todo: LP bug for warning user to configure LTSP networking and 2) Test solution again and update wiki | 18:46 |
ogra | please add a new page | 18:46 |
ogra | the instructions work for 90% of the users | 18:46 |
komputes | as if there weren't enough ltsp page already | 18:46 |
komputes | ok I won't touch te wiki | 18:47 |
komputes | i'll just test it again | 18:47 |
ogra | well, i want that page to stay as small as possible with the common defaults and no confusing extra stuff | 18:47 |
komputes | k | 18:47 |
ogra | add stuff in the comments or add a new page with a descriptive name to the UbuntuLTSP directory there | 18:47 |
ogra | its really a quite special case to not use network at all on an ltsp server | 18:48 |
ogra | (choosing no network at all will disable everything network related in the installer) | 18:48 |
komputes | i thought chosing not to config the network at the installation point would just make the interface automatic, but i see what i did wrong... | 18:49 |
komputes | ogra thanks again | 18:49 |
ogra | welcome :) | 18:50 |
* ogra goes on packing | 18:50 | |
LaserJock | did I miss the meeting? | 19:37 |
stgraber | LaserJock: nope, should be later in the evening, it's a late one | 19:41 |
stgraber | LaserJock: but at least ogra and I are packing stuff for Prague so probably a bit busy :) | 19:41 |
LaserJock | ah, right | 19:42 |
LaserJock | ogra: is there going to be a meeting today or are you going to cancel due to UDS? | 19:42 |
ogra | well, i'll follow with one eye | 19:44 |
ogra | and right has a phonecall within the meeting hour so might be late/distracted | 19:44 |
LaserJock | RichEd: are you going to have something for the meeting? | 19:46 |
RichEd | LaserJock: not much from my side ... was prepared to chat about UDS to see what people wanted brought in from community | 19:46 |
LaserJock | k, I just wondered | 19:46 |
RichEd | just prepping for a phone interview now ... Linux Insider | 19:46 |
ogra | nice ! | 19:46 |
ogra | tell them windows is crap :) | 19:47 |
LaserJock | I'll stay for the meeting then, even if it's a short one :-) | 19:47 |
ogra | (but they might know already) | 19:47 |
RichEd | interview spec: | 19:47 |
RichEd | Open source software is particularly suited to certain computing applicationsand in this feature I'm focusing on one of them -- thin-client computing. | 19:47 |
RichEd | 19:47 | |
RichEd | And a few questions: | 19:47 |
RichEd | Why did they choose such a system? | 19:47 |
RichEd | * Why is Linux the right operating system for a centralized structure? | 19:47 |
RichEd | * What, most importantly, are the energy- and cost-savings benefits of setting things up this way? | 19:47 |
ogra | shweet !! | 19:48 |
RichEd | = so a bit about LTSP started as s/w ... edubuntu etc. | 19:48 |
RichEd | = then thin client -> h/w | 19:48 |
RichEd | -> reference macedonia | 19:48 |
RichEd | -> analagy: back to the mainframe green screen idea ... one "machine" shared | 19:49 |
RichEd | and how low maintenance, single image wadda wadda | 19:50 |
RichEd | then how true thin client (diskless etc.) can drop power for a large group of machines | 19:50 |
stgraber | hehe, looks like the kind of LTSP presentation I do (and the one I'm preparing) :) | 19:50 |
RichEd | and that there are even battery solutions with mechinal charging running schools | 19:50 |
RichEd | ? seem reasonable thread ? | 19:50 |
RichEd | right ... coffee ... and call up fact pages ... | 19:51 |
* RichEd will see you lated | 19:51 | |
RichEd | *later | 19:51 |
stgraber | ogra, RichEd: btw, I'm looking for some information about mass deployment of Ubuntu and Ubuntu+LTSP in schools for a talk I'll do next week, do you have something for me ? :) | 19:51 |
ogra | phew | 19:51 |
RichEd | mrm ... i can send macedonia ... but that is n-computing h/w splittiters ... but running ubuntu | 19:51 |
RichEd | LTSP is more smaller scale ... low key ... but numbers add up | 19:52 |
RichEd | some info from a David Trask email may help ... remind me later | 19:52 |
RichEd | gotta go ! | 19:52 |
LaserJock | ogra: meeting time? | 21:03 |
* ogra wakes up | 21:04 | |
ogra | yeah, why not :) | 21:04 |
LaserJock | more productive than -bugs at the moment :/ | 21:04 |
ogra | **************** Edubuntu Meeting *now* in #ubuntu-meeting ********************** | 21:04 |
ogra | heh | 21:04 |
juliux | ogra, something total different, are you chaning euros to czk in germany or in prague? | 21:19 |
ogra | i pay eith credit card where possible and pul czk from an ATM | 21:19 |
ogra | *with | 21:19 |
ogra | but then i never check or care .... no idea if thats better or worse | 21:20 |
stgraber | same for me, easiest | 21:20 |
ogra | hmm, doesnt look like we have any RichEd in the meeting | 21:27 |
RichEd | hi ... just taking a quick break from the hour call ... | 21:29 |
RichEd | am here now :) | 21:29 |
ogra | sadly Laser is gone, he asked about edu related (non tech ) specs | 21:30 |
ogra | i.e. app selection and the like | 21:30 |
RichEd | can he start some wiki pages ? | 21:31 |
ogra | well, he only asked if womething was on the radar | 21:31 |
ogra | *something | 21:31 |
ogra | i thought you has some specs from chris we talked about earlier | 21:31 |
ogra | *had | 21:31 |
RichEd | then I'll hold discussion tracks (don't need to be in the scheduler) with the fringe education people | 21:31 |
RichEd | (like educonlinux etc. to get a teacher viewpoint) | 21:32 |
RichEd | from chris ? | 21:32 |
ogra | kenyon | 21:32 |
RichEd | 2 main ones I need to cover: | 21:32 |
ogra | you said there was stuff in the queue he requested | 21:32 |
RichEd | * implications of a name shift to ubuntu education | 21:32 |
ogra | iirc one was app related | 21:32 |
ogra | we have 400M spare space we can fill | 21:33 |
RichEd | -> irc, documentation, software package naming, download sites, web site, wiki site etc. | 21:33 |
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RichEd | damn ... hit ADSL cap ... just ordered a new block of b/w | 21:43 |
RichEd | my last comments were: | 21:43 |
RichEd | <RichEd> -> irc, documentation, software package naming, download sites, web site, wiki site etc. | 21:43 |
RichEd | <RichEd> * how to get more direct input from teachers for guidance to direction | 21:43 |
RichEd | <RichEd> ^ app selection / nomination should fit in there | 21:43 |
RichEd | <RichEd> and if we have the right people (guadalinex ?) ... tools / functionality needed for large deployments | 21:43 |
RichEd | <RichEd> --- that's my radar --- | 21:43 |
RichEd | <RichEd> as well as cmpc ... | 21:43 |
RichEd | <RichEd> and are we doing any more for content server / moodle ? adding wiki to the installation options ? | 21:43 |
RichEd | -- | 21:43 |
RichEd | what did i miss ? | 21:43 |
ogra | well, we have the moodle debian maintainer there and moquist | 21:44 |
ogra | who might probably take over the debian package | 21:44 |
ogra | (whch would be awesome to avoid differences) | 21:45 |
RichEd | okay ... anestis and one or two others will be there for 3 days and keen to chat to moquist and you and moodle debian guy if relevent | 21:45 |
ogra | do you know which days ? | 21:46 |
ogra | (and which others ) | 21:46 |
RichEd | i'll have a more general session with them, and then we can plan the tech sides as a more formal BOF with input from the informal session | 21:47 |
RichEd | i suggested mon-wed for them | 21:47 |
ogra | ok | 21:47 |
ogra | just makes sense to not have overlap with intel | 21:47 |
ogra | both can be quite time demanding i imagine | 21:48 |
ogra | will be a funny UDS for me .... first time since 3 years that my focus is actually on more tech stuff than edu | 21:48 |
RichEd | i'll do a lot of the intel stuff in advance of needing you so that you can get your main specs going | 21:49 |
RichEd | as per the chat this morning ... if we can get them to dovetail instead of pulling at 45degrees it will make life easier for all | 21:49 |
ogra | yeah | 21:50 |
ogra | well i found the idea to contribute to italc very nice :) | 21:50 |
ogra | tehy start to get the concept ;) | 21:50 |
ogra | *they | 21:50 |
ogra | we need to build on that for other stuff | 21:53 |
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* RichEd mutters some more | 21:58 | |
RichEd | must be a sign that it's time to head for away from PC time ... what else do we need to go though tonight ? | 21:59 |
ogra | nothing really | 22:00 |
ogra | i'm still not done with packing and only had 4h sleep will be a fun day :/ | 22:00 |
RichEd | well i'm going to head off as well ... chat to you tomorrow before you run off to the airport | 22:06 |
* ogra UGHs | 22:07 | |
ogra | Laser just resigned from edubuntu bugsquad | 22:07 |
ogra | and stepped back from his dev duties in MOTU | 22:07 |
bimberi | He has a dissertation to finish | 22:07 |
ogra | I cherish the time I've had to work with you all and count many of you as | 22:07 |
ogra | some of my very best friends. Good luck with Intrepid. | 22:07 |
ogra | :( | 22:07 |
bimberi | yes :( | 22:08 |
RichEd | miff :( ... grown up life calls everyone I suppose | 22:09 |
ogra | i uess i need to take ove his merges then | 22:09 |
ogra | ah, not that much | 22:11 |
xiagox | so edubuntu doesn't have all support for spanish | 23:14 |
xiagox | can I install it from ubuntu then? | 23:14 |
ogra | its he same :) | 23:15 |
ogra | *the | 23:15 |
ogra | (meaning: yes, you can | 23:15 |
ogra | ) | 23:15 |
xiagox | so edubuntu -is- missing that support right? | 23:16 |
ogra | wht are you refering to exactly ? | 23:16 |
ogra | edubuntu is sn addon ot ubuntu with hardy | 23:16 |
ogra | so it deends how you installed the ubuntu you base on | 23:16 |
xiagox | you need to install language-es post install | 23:16 |
ogra | *depends | 23:17 |
xiagox | so can i do that from a ubuntu cd instead of the internet? | 23:17 |
ogra | with hardy you have to | 23:17 |
ogra | there is no edubuntu install CD anymore | 23:17 |
xiagox | really?! | 23:17 |
ogra | only the add-on CD that can be used to install edubuntu-desktop on top of an existing ubuntu | 23:17 |
ogra | (which is how it always worked just a bit more hidden from the user) | 23:18 |
xiagox | ah i see | 23:18 |
xiagox | so i already have ubuntu, so all i need is the addon and it's magically edubuntu? | 23:19 |
ogra | right | 23:19 |
xiagox | that's great thanks alot :) | 23:19 |
ogra | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyClassroomServer#head-7d164dd6ce5d6e99bc8403e65eb2286fbd87f749 | 23:19 |
ogra | bah | 23:19 |
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