[00:00] <robeph> i tend to keep my keys on a well usb stick on my keyring :p
[00:00] <robeph> privvies anyhow
[00:00] <astan> robeph: what do you mean? it's a key pair, on public and one private.
[00:00] <astan> *one.
[00:00] <robeph> astan: well in my case,   I have public keys generated on gentoo all over the place...
[00:00] <robeph> they're fine,
[00:01] <robeph> now if my privvy key was all over the place,  or on a comp'd box I'd worry
[00:02] <robeph> but the chances of someone actually having comp'd yer box and having your key is pretty slim unless you have a higher profile network,   or you're paranoid,  like I said,  it depends really,  I'm regen'ing my key and pairs since my private key has touched machines that are suspectrf
[00:02] <astan> i don't know if my desktop has been compromised. but i do know that it had a bad server key for almost a year.
[00:02] <robeph> astan: yep,
[00:02] <robeph> astan: but the public knowledge of it hasn't been so widespread
[00:02] <robeph> astan: its the skiddies I'd worry with
[00:02] <yojhandry> #kubuntu-es
[00:02] <robeph> astan: the people who found it aren't very dangerous in that regard,
[00:02] <astan> yes exactly. hm ok.
[00:03] <robeph> as i said,  depends...paranoia is often good,  doesn't hurt
[00:03] <astan> i'm torn now, i don't know if i should regenerate or not.
[00:03] <robeph> how difficult is it to regenerate and dissimenate?
[00:03] <astan> yea. i use that user key to authenticate against KDE SVN, so i'd need to send them my new public key.
[00:03] <robeph> eg how many pubs ya gotta spread?
[00:03] <phoenixz> Where can I store static routes in a file so that they automatically will be applied with each reboot?
[00:03] <robeph> astan: also,  be wary of the patch
[00:03] <astan> actually i think it's only one.. to KDE SVN sysadmins.
[00:04] <robeph> astan: its not up to par I don't believe,  more entropy,  but not standard yet
[00:04] <astan> robeph: not standard? as in not upstream?
[00:04] <robeph> no no
[00:04] <robeph> it's like not the greatest patchwork
[00:05] <robeph> they hopped some buffer reads around yada yada,  still not enough entropy/randomization
[00:05] <robeph> although much more secure than current
[00:05] <astan> okay.
[00:05] <robeph> I'm not gonna trust it
[00:05] <robeph> but astan your server key,  wouldn't gain access to intruders would it?
[00:06] <robeph> if you use bsd gen'd key pair
[00:06] <robeph> and no debian based openssl key pairs,  you needn't worry at all I'd not assume
[00:06] <robeph> cos access via the pair is the only worry imho
[00:06] <astan> that's what i'm asking.
[00:06] <pteague> adept_notifier is the package updater in kubuntu right? what's the 1 in ubuntu?
[00:07] <astan> okay, but then why does the wiki page at debian advice you to regenerate your server key?
[00:07] <robeph> hell if I know
[00:07] <robeph> oh
[00:07] <robeph> cos ,
[00:07] <robeph> MIM
[00:07] <robeph> you could concievably falsify your server and be fooled into thinking someone else is you thus dropping passwords
[00:08] <robeph> man in the middle?
[00:08] <mistopher> hello does anybody can help me with the current projectM-libviasual and kubuntu feisty?
[00:08] <robeph> and sniff out yer traffic
[00:08] <mistopher> i got an compilation error when running cmake
[00:08] <astan> robeph: ah right.
[00:08] <Daisuke_Ido> !ot robeph, astan - this is a kubuntu support channel, not a security channel
[00:09] <Daisuke_Ido> !ot |robeph, astan - this is a kubuntu support channel, not a security channel
[00:09] <Daisuke_Ido> there we are
[00:09] <robeph> Daisuke_Ido:  I know,  but this is support for current issue related to kubuntu since we're obviously both using it
[00:09] <Daisuke_Ido> perfectly good talk about security, but this just isn't the place for it :)
[00:09] <robeph> well this is relevent to his valid question
[00:09] <robeph> should he regen his bsd gen'd key pair due to server key being weak
[00:09] <astan> this is the biggest issue i've had with kubuntu so far. a boot failure would have been a better issue.
[00:10] <robeph> since his key pair resides on weak key'd kubuntu box
[00:11] <astan> well, i have to crash now. let's hope i'm not rooted :)
[00:12] <robeph> doubt it ;p
[00:12] <robeph> how about this,   adept froze and died during update
[00:12] <robeph> now I can't update
[00:13] <robeph> cos its still got a lock
[00:13] <billyd> Why not apt?
[00:13] <robeph> billyd: cos adept popped up when I booted when i just got home and said I needed to update openssl so I said go fer it?
[00:13] <robeph> why ask silly questions
[00:14] <robeph> why not emerge?
[00:14] <Daisuke_Ido> !adeptfix | robeph
[00:14] <lars_> me no irc too good. How do I get to #xubuntu?
[00:15] <robeph> lars_: /join #xubuntu
[00:15] <lars_> never mind
[00:15] <robeph> though I'm wondering how the heck you got in here.
[00:15] <robeph> although most newer irc clients you can click the channel name when linked in channel
[00:16] <Daisuke_Ido> "why not emerge?"?
[00:16] <Dragnslcr> Is there any reason that I can't burn the 8.04 desktop CD image to a blank DVD?
[00:16] <robeph> Daisuke_Ido:  he asked a dumb question =\
[00:16] <robeph> I gave a dumb answer
[00:16] <lars_> robeph: thanks. thats what I did
[00:17] <robeph> no prob
[00:17] <Daisuke_Ido> well, not really.  apt is the backend to all the package management, emerge isn't even in the picture.
[00:17] <robeph> in the future though /join #channel_name works
[00:17] <rower> kubuntu is great
[00:17] <rower> only been on it for like less then an hour..
[00:17] <robeph> rower: it's pretty
[00:17] <robeph> rower: with kde4
[00:17] <Daisuke_Ido> emerge is awesome, if you have that kind of time :)
[00:18] <lars_> wtf?!?!11   *** Channel modes: secret, no messages from outside
[00:18] <rower> and did things that took me to figure out how to do in win much longer ^
[00:18] <rower> maby i will stick to this :D
[00:18] <rower> its so logical..
[00:18] <robeph> lars_: ?
[00:18] <Daisuke_Ido> rower: the barriers to entry have fallen a lot, even since i started in 06
[00:18] <rower> everyone that put something into this should get some real good creds
[00:19] <lars_> robeh: ????    *** kubrick.freenode.net sets the channel mode to 'no messages from outside'.
[00:19] <robeph> lars_: secret I think is opt for not allowing who's to see who resides inside,  and no msg from outside means people can't spam without being in channel
[00:19] <Daisuke_Ido> it used to be that the three reasons not to go to linux were: office suite, drivers, and games
[00:19] <Daisuke_Ido> then OOo came along, and then it was just drivers and games...
[00:19] <rower> well now u can do everything :D
[00:19] <robeph> because with IRC you can say /msg #channelname <message here>  to send things to channels without entering,,   makes for lotsa porn site links
[00:19] <rower> well.. drivers is better in this than vista..
[00:19] <rower> i promise..
[00:19] <rower> :P
[00:19] <Daisuke_Ido> now linux's hardware support is on par with windows' - for the most part - the only thing is games
[00:19] <rower> and yeah.. cedega right?
[00:19] <Daisuke_Ido> no
[00:20] <Daisuke_Ido> never ever ever
[00:20] <Daisuke_Ido> wine
[00:20] <rower> haha.. ehm
[00:20] <robeph> only gimpy thing i've come across video wise is that my unlock dialogue doesn't show through the screensaver
[00:20] <rower> cant play counter-strike on steam :S
[00:20] <Daisuke_Ido> wine's actually blown way past cedega's compatibility :D
[00:20] <robeph> and only like 4 screensavers seem to work =\
[00:20] <rower> ooh..
[00:20] <rower> so now steam works with wine ?
[00:20] <Daisuke_Ido> for certain values of "works"
[00:20] <robeph> rower: they had a vid on some site I saw playign COD4
[00:20] <rower> hahaha
[00:20] <rower> NICE
[00:20] <rower> :D
[00:20] <robeph> although it looked a bit clunky
[00:21] <rower> my only intension in playing is counter-strike 1.6
[00:21] <robeph> but it wasn't a screen full of .dll is missing 08xeej332#@d dieplz
[00:21] <robeph> so that's good for me
[00:21] <rower> then i have everything i want, mirc, xmms, pidgin and cs :D
[00:21] <robeph> does wine handle tcp handling ok?
[00:21] <Daisuke_Ido> robeph: seems to
[00:21] <rower> this irc client is poor though ^
[00:21] <Daisuke_Ido> http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?versionId=1554 <- steam reports from winehq
[00:22] <rower> ooooh it works like gold :D
[00:22] <rower> haha this is really cool
[00:23] <Daisuke_Ido> rower: a couple things - mirc under wine may work, but there are better clients.  and xmms is not available in 8.04, try audacious instead (spiritual successor to xmms)
[00:23] <rower> its a pitty that i have an ati graphic card though
[00:23] <rower> i have 6.04
[00:23] <rower> or 6.06 :S
[00:23] <robeph> i got ati also
[00:23] <robeph> rower: do yer screensavers work ok?
[00:23] <rower> dono
[00:23] <rower> ait sucks :S
[00:23] <rower> i baught my card for a premium card of wow ^
[00:24] <Daisuke_Ido> rower: i might have to recommend upgrading, there's a new LTS out (8.04) and the version of wine in 6.06 is NOT going to work with steam
[00:24] <rower> i was acculy kinda blown away how easy it was finding every setting i needed
[00:24] <robeph> rower: no it doesn't
[00:24] <rower> yeah i know
[00:24] <robeph> rower: I have two ATI 3870's crossfire
[00:24] <robeph> they work sexily =)  just not with linux drivers :'(
[00:24] <Daisuke_Ido> you're looking at two years of improvement since dapper was released
[00:24] <rower> woa
[00:24] <rower> i have like the x700 card
[00:25] <rower> hmm... so is there alot of things beeing imrpoved?
[00:25] <robeph> Daisuke_ after that fix,  adept now segs every time I run it ><
[00:25] <robeph> rower: indeed
[00:25] <rower> is there anything outstanding from the previous
[00:26] <Daisuke_Ido> robeph: welcome to adept
[00:26] <rower> and the other thing that Xubuntu is better at is not flaming ppl asking really stupid questions ^
[00:26] <Daisuke_Ido> you're better off with synaptic
[00:26] <allen__> hello
[00:26] <rower> oh i have to get to sleep
[00:26] <rower> my works begins at like 5:45 tomorrow..
[00:27] <rower> so i have a good 3h sleep infront of me :D
[00:27] <allen__> does kubutno get all the same updaets as ubuntu?
[00:27] <Daisuke_Ido> rower: massive improvements in xorg, kde or gnome, depending on your preference, both have improved...  driver and hardware management is better
[00:27] <Daisuke_Ido> allen__: yep
[00:27] <rower> thats why i acculy installed linux today..
[00:27] <rower> my power supply burnt on my other computer
[00:27] <allen__> i like the desktop a lot better
[00:27] <Daisuke_Ido> allen__: they use the same base system
[00:27] <rower> nice
[00:27] <Daisuke_Ido> allen__: that's cool, it's entirely up to individual choice what desktop environment you use :)
[00:27] <allen__> i installed kubuntu because vista SP 1 lost my sound card...
[00:27] <rower> in dapper drake the xord config chose the wrong drivers for my graphical card :S
[00:27] <robeph> Daisuke_ you may know... I have the beta version of kubuntu,  would this be pretty much same as an uptodate new install from release?
[00:28] <rower> haha i couldnt even install sp1 cause i had to little harddrivespace
[00:28] <Daisuke_Ido> robeph: if you've got all the updates that have been released up til now, it's exactly the same
[00:28] <robeph> Daisuke_ hrmm,  thought so
[00:28] <rower> and also.. the system uses like 1,6gb of memory
[00:28] <Dragnslcr> Anybody interested in wasting a blank DVD to verify a possible k3b bug?
[00:28] <robeph> Daisuke_ prolly this kde4 being oddball
[00:28] <allen__> i spent weeks trying to install it but it wouldn't show in windows update cause of a dell driver...un real!
[00:28] <rower> and then i took a memorystick out of my comp and now it caches like 600mb ...
[00:29] <rower> allen__: i just love windows.. noot
[00:29] <allen__> ha
[00:29] <billyd> Is there an 8.04 AND an 8.04LTS??
[00:29] <allen__> unfortunatly, i know nothing about linux
[00:29] <rower> ehm
[00:29] <rower> no
[00:29] <allen__> but here goes
[00:29] <Daisuke_Ido> billyd: yes.
[00:29] <Daisuke_Ido> ubuntu 8.04 is LTS
[00:29] <Daisuke_Ido> kubuntu 8.04 is not
[00:29] <allen__> what does lts mean?
[00:29] <rower> aah.. :S
[00:29] <Jucato> !lts | allen__
[00:29] <rower> Long time support
[00:29] <rower> :D
[00:29] <Daisuke_Ido> allen__: long term support
[00:30] <rower> Term..
[00:30] <rower> :S
[00:30] <allen__> oh
[00:30] <rower> almost got it right..
[00:30] <allen__> kubuntu doesn't ave that?
[00:30] <Rower> ls
[00:30] <STSX> How can I add a sound icon to my system tray? I would like one similar to Gnome where I can pull up the sound configuration/volume levels.
[00:30] <Dragnslcr> STSX- run kmix
[00:30] <Daisuke_Ido> not with this release, for several reasons mostly corresponding to the kde3 and 4 development (or lack thereof)
[00:30] <Jucato> allen__: not for this release. it's not something that Kubuntu decides on. it's given by Canonical
[00:30] <allen__> ah ok
[00:31] <Jucato> Daisuke_Ido: that's debatable though :D
[00:31] <Rower> have to reboot..
[00:31] <allen__> would it be better then to go with ubuntu?
[00:31] <Rower> see you tomorrow at five
[00:31] <Rower> ^
[00:31] <billyd> When I tried a distro-upgarde to 8.04, it was ID's as 8.04 LTS in distro-upgrade tool window - must have been a mistake
[00:31] <Dragnslcr> Basically, KDE3 won't be supported by the KDE devs for 3 years, and KDE4 isn't ready for general use yet
[00:31] <Daisuke_Ido> Jucato: it is, but it's a fairly solid explanation
[00:31] <Daisuke_Ido> Dragnslcr did a better job :)
[00:31]  * Jucato will not try to repeat the whole debate so early in the morning...
[00:32] <Dragnslcr> Will they try to make Kubuntu 8.10 LTS, or just wait until 10.04?
[00:32] <Rower> hehe
[00:32] <STSX> Dragnslcr: Thanks, and what do I have to do to get it to load on startup? Can I configure the program directly or do I have to add it to my ~/.kde/Autostart?
[00:32] <Daisuke_Ido> no idea - it would make more sense to wait til 10.04
[00:32] <Jucato> Dragnslcr: that will all depend on Canonical's "fairly solid" decusuib
[00:32] <Jucato> 'decision*
[00:32] <Dragnslcr> STSX- I think you'd have to add it to Autostart
[00:32] <allen__> when will 10.4 come out?
[00:33] <Dragnslcr> April 2010
[00:33] <Daisuke_Ido> allen__: april of 2010
[00:33] <Dragnslcr> Versions are always year.month
[00:33] <allen__> oh ok
[00:33] <allen__> ha, that's neat
[00:33] <STSX> Dragnslcr: OK, no problem. Thanks. :)
[00:33] <Jucato> STSX: if you've read the autostart guide, by default KDE saves and restores the previous session, so you just need to keep it running when you logout
[00:34] <Jucato> unless you switched that off, then you'll have to put it into ~/.kde/Autostart/ (or /usr/share/autostart/)
[00:34] <Dragnslcr> I'm still waiting for an Autostart manager in System Settings
[00:34] <allen__> ok, million dollar question, can I et Cisco VPN working with WINE?
[00:34] <STSX> Jucato: Yes, I did read it, but I deliberately set my KDE up so it doesn't restore the previous session--I start fresh each time. Thanks for the reminder tho.
[00:34] <Jucato> Dragnslcr: KDE 4.1 has one (not sure if 4.0 already has)
[00:35] <Dragnslcr> Ah, nice
[00:35] <Dragnslcr> allen__- I think there's a Linux version of their VPN client
[00:35] <allen__> oh sweet
[00:35] <allen__> that's the last thing i need. I've been testing ubuntu for awhile, but like this interface better
[00:36] <Dragnslcr> allen__- vpnc supposedly supports Cisco
[00:36] <allen__> though tehre seems to be less programs that are available with kubuntu, or is it just me?
[00:37] <allen__> i don't know what vpnc is
[00:37] <Jucato> Kubuntu and Ubuntu have the same number of packages available
[00:37] <Dragnslcr> Less than what, Ubuntu?
[00:37] <allen__> ah ok
[00:37] <Dragnslcr> More specifically, the same packages
[00:37] <Dragnslcr> They use the same repository
[00:37] <allen__> cool
[00:38] <Dragnslcr> You can try installing the vpnc and kvpnc packages, see if that works for you
[00:38] <Dragnslcr> I tried it with a Fortigate VPN that we have at our office, but I could never get it to work right
[00:39] <allen__> i may try WINE or the linux version of cisco
[00:39] <allen__> if I can get that to work I can install this for real. I have it ona sun virtualbox now
[00:39] <Dragnslcr> I don't know if running a VPN client under Wine will work
[00:39] <allen__> oh
[00:39] <allen__> could be a problem
[00:39] <Zefir> Hm, what's the best program for recording your desktop for compiz-fusion show-offs?
[00:40] <Dragnslcr> I think Cisco generally does a good job supporting Linux though
[00:40] <Jucato> "could be a problem" if you don't try the suggestions first
[00:40] <Jucato> before concluding that you have to absolutely use Wine for it :)
[00:40] <allen__> true
[00:41] <Dragnslcr> It's been nice for me at home. I don't run anything in Wine anymore, don't need to boot into Windows at all
[00:41] <allen__> there's a few things i would miss, like poker stars.net
[00:41] <allen__> and eve online
[00:41] <allen__> i need Wine for that right?
[00:42] <o0Chris0o> !ubottu
[00:42] <Dragnslcr> Any web sites should work fine
[00:42] <allen__> no, the software for it
[00:42] <allen__> i know websites will be fine
[00:42] <allen__> it's an install
[00:42] <Dragnslcr> Oh, I thought pokerstars.net just used a web-based client
[00:42] <allen__> nope
[00:42] <allen__> it's a small install
[00:42] <rower> how do i assosiate xmms with .mp3 files?
[00:43] <allen__> ok thanks for the info, must run
[00:44] <Jucato> allen__: oh look, 2nd Google result: http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/security/vpn_client/cisco_vpn_client/vpn_client46/linux_solaris/uglinsol.html
[00:44] <CrashMaster_> Google is my hero
[00:45] <calitos> i cant install the compiz
[00:46] <robeph> how do I manually update things with apt =\
[00:46] <robeph> eg wildcareds,  queryable would be preferable,  need to stay current versions save for all openssl updates
[00:46] <robeph> but not something goofy like dselect cos i gotta do it on like 50 boxes
[00:46] <rower> how do i assosiate xmms with .mp3 files?
[00:47] <billyd> Download the Apt HowTo from the www.tldp.org
[00:48] <Jucato> robeph: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[00:48] <Jucato> done
[00:48] <Jucato> !apt
[00:49] <orangepeelbeef> can anyone point me to the auto login feature of kdm
[00:51] <calitos> how can i conig compiz if the bash file is not found?
[00:51] <rower> how do i assosiate xmms with .mp3 files?
[00:52] <Daisuke_Ido> you do know xmms is incredibly outdated, right?
[00:52] <Daisuke_Ido> and there are literally dozens of better alternatives these days
[00:53] <wesley__> doesnt ubuntu use xmms ?
[00:54] <Jucato> Ubuntu uses Rhythmbox
[00:54] <Zefir> What's the best software for screencasting with Kubuntu? I'm having trouble with Istanbul...
[00:55] <Daisuke_Ido> kubuntu uses amarok
[00:55] <Daisuke_Ido> wesley__: xmms is actually no longer in the repos for the new release
[00:56] <rower> hello
[00:56] <rower> ping
[00:56] <tinin> Hi,  is anyone able to watch their *.3gp cellphone videos with sound?
[00:56] <orangepeelbeef> where can i configure auto-login for kdm
[00:56] <Daisuke_Ido> yep, you're still here rower :)
[00:56] <rower> Daisuke_: well didnt get the other ones to work with mp3s
[00:56] <rower> Daisuke_: if i get the default one working with mp3 i would be happy..
[00:56] <rower> Daisuke_: maby there is a package
[00:57] <tinin> orangepeelbeef system config - advanced -
[00:57] <orangepeelbeef> tinin: thanks
[00:57] <Daisuke_Ido> rower: there is a package, i'm thinking libxine-extracodecs
[00:57] <tinin> np
[00:57] <Daisuke_Ido> had to think what it was for dapper
[00:58] <rower> how to copy something into term
[00:58] <rower> what was the command :S
[01:00] <tinin> rower clicking the mousewheel you can paste what you have just selected
[01:00] <robeph> Daisuke_Ido: when I installed the updates using adept,   it had like 5 or so openssl pkgs ,  updating via CL apt-get however only shows one,   how can I get it to install all these as they appeared critical
[01:00] <Jucato> rower: Shift+Insert pastes
[01:00] <CrashMaster_> !ot
[01:00] <robeph> Jucato: lol my keyboard at work...has no insert,  just a big delete key...took months to get used to that
[01:01] <Daisuke_Ido> robeph: apparently those, at least, already installed
 robeph: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[01:01] <rower> didnt find any codecs
[01:01] <rower> gah
[01:01] <Jucato> robeph: ouch :/
[01:01] <rower> i have to get to sleep so i can get to work :S
[01:01] <robeph> Daisuke_Ido: lemme rephrase this is on production boxes,  not this one
[01:01] <Jucato> rower: what version of Kubuntu?
[01:01] <rower> Daisuke_: didnt find the package
[01:01] <rower> 6.06
[01:01] <Daisuke_Ido> robeph: apt-cache policy <packagename> will tell if it's installed
[01:02] <Daisuke_Ido> Jucato: was it libxine-extracodecs in dapper?
[01:02] <Jucato> rower: "sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs"
[01:02] <Jucato> I believe so
[01:02] <robeph> Jucato: I cannot
[01:02] <rower> yeah know.. didnt work
[01:02] <Jucato> BUT you have to enable multiverse
[01:02] <Jucato> !repos
[01:02] <robeph> Jucato: I need to remain at the current versioning for everything except openssl related stuff
[01:02] <rower> package is not availible
[01:02] <rower> multiverse?
[01:02] <Jucato> rower: <Jucato> BUT you have to enable multiverse
[01:02] <Jucato> see the link above
[01:03] <rower> i have gotten # out of sources.list
[01:03] <rower> and also apt-get update
[01:03] <rower> and updatedb
[01:04] <robeph>  Daisuke_Ido does upgrading a single pkg pull deps?   if no how can I say pull an empty dep tree for it
[01:04] <robeph> oh,  I bet this is my problem
[01:04] <Daisuke_Ido> if the dependencies aren't there, it will install required dependencies (it wouldn't have installed if it couldn't install deps)
[01:05] <robeph> this is gutsy
[01:05] <robeph> is there no openssl fix for it?
[01:05] <Daisuke_Ido> not sure
[01:05] <robeph> thats bad news
[01:05] <robeph> =\
[01:06] <phoenixz> I just had my disc full and KDE4 went nuts.. Now even after reboot and with enough space available, I keep getting DCOP related errors for kontact, konversation, amarok, katapult, etc..
[01:06] <phoenixz> /usr/bin/iceauth:  timeout in locking authority file /home/sven/.ICEauthority ICE Connection rejected!
[01:06] <phoenixz> DCOPClient::attachInternal. Attach failed Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
[01:07] <phoenixz> ICE Connection rejected!
[01:07] <mot_> here's a question
[01:07] <phoenixz> DCOPServer self-test failed
[01:07] <mot_> let's say i have a folder on my desktop
[01:07] <phoenixz> How can I fix this?
[01:07] <phoenixz> I already started dcopserver but that one fails too
[01:07] <mot_> ehh nevermind
[01:07] <CrashMaster_> Well
[01:07] <CrashMaster_> He didnt seem happy
[01:08] <phoenixz> Could this somehow be related to the openssh update I just had 1 hour ago? Since its some sort of authentication error?
[01:09] <rower> hmm didnt got it to work
[01:09] <rower> :S
[01:09] <rower> gah
[01:09] <rower> trying to install vlc
[01:09] <rower> lets see how that works
[01:09] <Jucato> phoenixz: dcop doesn't use ssh afaik. so it wouldn't be related
[01:10] <Jucato> more like X-related errors (since it mentions .ICEauthority)
[01:10] <Zefir> Could someone help me? I wonder what is it that the guy is using in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPecBxM2f6c&feature=related It's on the top of the screen, he's doing some pretty neat things with it at the end.
[01:10] <ign0ramus> hi all.  easy one for you: what is the package name the latest Hardy qt package?  Right now, I only have 3.3.8 installed...
[01:10] <Jucato> !info libqt4
[01:10] <Jucato> er..
[01:11] <ign0ramus> that's the problem i ran into ;)
[01:11] <phoenixz> Jucato, okay.. but still, seems like DCOP does no longer want to start.. and without DCOP, no KDE it seemns\
[01:11] <mot_> why is it that if i add myself to group 'vboxusers' it removes me from group 'admin'?
[01:12] <Jucato> mot_: how are you adding yourself to the group?
[01:12] <mot_> usermod -G vboxusers
[01:12] <mot_> (to use virtualbox)
[01:12] <mot_> and whenever i do that, it automatically removes me from 'admin'
[01:12] <Jucato> oh, I think you're supposed to put -a there
[01:12] <Jucato> -a -G
[01:13] <mot_> -aG ?
[01:13] <mot_> what does a do?
[01:13] <Jucato> "append"
[01:13] <Jucato> a plain -G will just replace all your secondary groups with the group(s) you specify. -a will make sure that it adds them instead of replacing them
[01:13] <Jucato> you can also just use the GUI in System Settings
[01:14] <mot_> thanks
[01:14] <mot_> got it
[01:14] <rower> haha now i got it working :D
[01:14] <rower> thanx mates
[01:17] <Jucato> ign0ramus: what are you trying to do with Qt4?
[01:18] <ign0ramus> jucato: install vidalia
[01:18] <Jucato> ign0ramus: compiling?
[01:18] <rower> it works :D
[01:18] <rower> now im going to bed
[01:18] <Jucato> rower: great! good night
[01:18] <ign0ramus> jucato: yes. older versions are qt-dependent
[01:19] <Jucato> ign0ramus: that makes it simpler. install libqt4-dev :D
[01:19] <ign0ramus> jucato: are you kidding me?
[01:19] <Jucato> er wait
[01:19] <ign0ramus> *doh*
[01:19] <Jucato> does it need qt3 or qt4?
[01:19] <ign0ramus> 4 or greater
[01:19] <Jucato> if qt3: libqt3-mt-dev
[01:19] <Jucato> ah ok. libqt4-dev indeed
[01:20] <ign0ramus> jucato: apt is telling me i have qt4, but many apps (not just vidalia) are reporting qt 3.3.8
[01:20] <Jucato> hint: if what you are compiling complains about missing headers, look for the -dev packages for those packages
[01:21] <Jucato> hm.. I think you need to set it to use qt4 (qt3 is being used by default)
[01:21] <nohelphere> now I need qemu to have a different IP
[01:21] <ign0ramus> jucato: where do i point the compiler (where is qt4 stored)?
[01:21] <Jucato> hm.. hold on...
[01:24] <nohelphere> i need to make qemu have a different IP than the host
[01:25] <ign0ramus> jucato: restarting x brb
[01:27] <Jucato> ign0ramus: I have your answer now
[01:27] <Jucato> "sudo update-alternatives --config qmake"
[01:27] <Jucato> to switch between which Qt to use as default
[01:28] <ign0ramus> jucato: interesting.  i shall try now. thx
[01:29] <ign0ramus> jucato: done.  should i restart x now?
[01:29] <Jucato> why?
[01:29] <ign0ramus> because compiler still complains
[01:29] <ign0ramus> oh wait...
[01:30] <ign0ramus> i need to "make clean" yeh?
[01:30] <Jucato> perhaps
[01:30] <Jucato> you suse you chose the Qt 4 qmake?
[01:30] <ign0ramus> jucato: yes, but I'll run once more ;)
[01:30] <CrashMaster_> Jucato: You seem like a pretty smart person. Gotta question for you, if you find a free moment.
[01:31] <ign0ramus> jucato: "Using '/usr/bin/qmake-qt4' to provide 'qmake'."
[01:31] <Jucato> CrashMaster_: if I can answer
[01:32] <CrashMaster_> Jucato: You're familiar with the ctrl-alt-bkspc making the Xserver restart, yes?
[01:32] <Jucato> um yes
[01:35] <ign0ramus> jucato: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11955/
[01:36] <Jucato> ign0ramus: what is the result of "qmake -v"
[01:37] <ign0ramus> Jucato: "Using Qt version 4.4.0 in /usr/lib"
[01:37] <CrashMaster_> Jucato: Um. Nevermind. I just realized im high and don't remember what I wanted. Thanks anyway though.
[01:37] <ign0ramus> wtf?
[01:37] <Jucato> heh :)
[01:38] <Jucato> ign0ramus: strange...
[01:38] <ign0ramus> jucato: also, i have a sysmon running that is also reporting qt 3.3.8
[01:38] <Jucato> what do you mean by "reporting"?
[01:38] <Jucato> well it's pointing to the correct intended Qt 4 version... not sure why vidalia is still complaining
[01:38] <ign0ramus> Jucato: the system monitor shows what version of kde and qt i'm running, and it says "kde 3.5.9/qt 3.3.8"
[01:39] <Jucato> well of course. KDE 3 uses Qt 3
[01:39] <Jucato> no problem there :)
[01:40] <ign0ramus> Jucato: " ... Qt development packages, or you can specify an explicit path using --with-qt-dir"... what about this option?
[01:40] <Jucato> Qt dev packages = libqt4-dev. not sure how to use --with-qt-dir...
[01:40] <ign0ramus> me neither :/
[01:40] <Jucato> could it be that it's incompatible with 4.4 :)
[01:41] <Jucato> best to ask in vidalia's forums or channel if they have one
[01:41] <Jucato> (you could probably try asking in #qt as well)
[01:41] <Jucato> but that's usually for programmers
[01:41] <ign0ramus> Jucato: that's a good point... i'll try the SVN version that uses cmake and see if i have better luck
[01:41] <ign0ramus> thanks
[01:42] <Jucato> (shouldn't really change a thing... cmake doesn't replace qt...)
[01:42] <ign0ramus> Jucato: there's also a hardy .deb package... maybe i'll try that
[01:42] <Jucato> :)
[01:42] <pottytheshitter> is wubi safe?
[01:42] <Jucato> so why are you trying to compile again? :)
[01:42] <Jucato> pottytheshitter: can you please change your nick
[01:43] <pottytheshitter> yeah 1 sec
[01:43] <ign0ramus> Jucato: because for some reason, the .deb package installs, but the gui keeps freezing
[01:44] <ign0ramus> Jucato: believe me, i don't compile as a first resort ;)
[01:44] <Jucato> bug? :)
[01:45] <ign0ramus> Jucato: prolly.  only since updating to either hardy or kernel 2.6.24-17 does it not work any more.  but nothing about it on their docs page...
[01:45] <ign0ramus> Jucato: i think it was the kernel upgrade-- could that cause problems?
[01:45]  * ign0ramus is a nub
[01:46] <Jucato> no idea... I don't even know what vidalia is :)
[01:46] <ign0ramus> Jucato: a frontend for tor/privoxy - anonymous web-browsing
[01:52] <o0Chris0o> hey guys
[01:52] <o0Chris0o> how do I slow the speed of my scroll?
[01:52] <o0Chris0o> I got it down to one line
[01:52] <o0Chris0o> but its still scrolling fast
[01:53] <robeph> uh
[01:53] <robeph> if its scrolling one line per click / press
[01:53] <robeph> how is it too fast
[01:53] <o0Chris0o> Id like to know why too
[01:53] <o0Chris0o> thats what I am trying to figure out
[01:53] <robeph> whatre you using to scroll?
[01:53] <o0Chris0o> mouse wheel
[01:54] <robeph> o
[01:54] <robeph> is it fast?  or is it like
[01:54] <robeph> you hit it and it goes down 50 lines
[01:54] <robeph> it's Zaxis that'll be set somewhere for mouse settings
[01:54] <robeph> xorg.conf used to have some settings
[01:54] <robeph> haven't touched in ages
[01:54] <robeph> look for zaxis / Zaxis ,  forget how its cased
[01:55] <robeph> it'll have something like minspeed /maxspeed
[01:55] <o0Chris0o> look for it where?
[01:56] <robeph> xorg.conf?
[01:56] <robeph> the ocnfig file for xorg
[01:56] <o0Chris0o> I see
[01:56] <robeph> ...dur... ubuntu does some oddballs with the configging,  I dunno where it stores it if it's just working™
[01:56] <o0Chris0o> I see
[01:57] <robeph> in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:57] <o0Chris0o> brb
[01:57] <robeph> although wait
[01:58] <robeph> minspeed is pad speed on touchpads
[01:58] <robeph> like my lappy
[01:58] <robeph> hrm
[01:58] <robeph> scroll wheel is just a "button"
[01:58] <robeph> it's like clicking any other button,  just has a vertical roll
[01:59] <robeph> thing is you may be sending multiple events per "click"
[02:00] <robeph> does the scroll wheel click when ya roll it?
[02:00] <robeph> oh he left
[02:00] <robeph> der
[02:01] <robeph> and I missed the ice cream truck
[02:01] <robeph> :(
[02:25] <alucardromero> Could somebody slap me with the correct way to compile purple-plugin-pack for finch?
[02:25] <robeph> uhm
[02:25] <alucardromero> I do ./configure and it displays "build for finch... NO"
[02:26] <alucardromero> I'd like that to say yes.
[02:26] <robeph> does it not come in binary?
[02:26] <robeph> lol
[02:26] <robeph> then edit it =)
[02:26] <alucardromero> lol
[02:26] <robeph> and put "yes" in there
[02:26] <alucardromero> Imagine?
[02:26] <robeph> although it won't do much I don't think
[02:26] <alucardromero> LoL
[02:26] <alucardromero> I did download the binary, but nothing showed up in finch.
[02:26] <o0Chris0o> hey guys, how do I find out which audio drivers I have..either arts or alsa
[02:26] <robeph> alucardromero: you got the pkg from apt?
[02:27] <alucardromero> No, I have the source.
[02:27] <robeph> o0Chris0o:  hey what mouse you got
[02:27] <robeph> wireless right?
[02:27] <alucardromero> tar.gz
[02:27] <o0Chris0o> I am playing a few sounds clips and it sounds like it is scratchy at the end
[02:27] <robeph> dual boot windows?
[02:27] <robeph> alucardromero: I meant did ya try the ones in pkg manager?
[02:27] <o0Chris0o> robeph: I have...I know I know don't say it! Microsoft wireless mouse
[02:27] <robeph> no no
[02:28] <robeph> it's sorta that problem though
[02:28] <robeph> ;)
[02:28] <o0Chris0o> figures
[02:28] <robeph> they cache some sorta weird crap if you can call it caching
[02:28] <robeph> try this cutesly little fix
[02:28] <robeph> you dual boot windows yeh?
[02:28] <o0Chris0o> no
[02:28] <robeph> o
[02:28] <o0Chris0o> no winders for me
[02:28] <robeph> well crap
[02:28] <o0Chris0o> lol
[02:28] <robeph> that was the prbolem most had
[02:28] <robeph> but try this anyhow
[02:28] <alucardromero> robeph: The system has no monitor, and it's server edition... so, no.
[02:28] <o0Chris0o> I got wine
[02:28] <robeph> unplug it and stick it back in =s
[02:28] <o0Chris0o> ahh ok
[02:29] <alucardromero> I did use apt-get though but that was pidgin-plugin-pack
[02:29] <robeph> o0Chris0o:  some weird thing about the base station caching commands on the scroll wheel yada yada wtf and why,  but it seemed to fix most peoples problem that I read on various forums
[02:29] <robeph> like it would send 6 events for each scrolly
[02:30] <robeph> alucardromero: hrmm,  let's see..
[02:30] <o0Chris0o> robeph: I see
[02:30] <robeph> o0Chris0o: did that helop by chance? heh
[02:30] <Ttech> Hai
[02:31] <robeph> I dunno why it would to be frankfully honest,  but like 6 diff posts (and multiples within each) said that helped theirs
[02:31] <robeph> alucardromero: I'm not sure why it won't build
[02:31] <alucardromero> I'm not sure either.
[02:32] <alucardromero> I don't know if there's a flag that's there I'm not aware of... or if compiling some metamorphic case of diarrhea... I'm just not sure.
[02:32] <robeph> well it's not even getting that far
[02:32] <robeph> it's just choking o ./configure right?
[02:32] <robeph> just a lil one liner sayin,  no
[02:33] <robeph> where's the package you're trying to build
[02:33] <robeph> er... url to where ya got it
[02:33] <robeph> cos I'm not familiar I'll look at it though see if I can build it
[02:34] <alucardromero> Okay, one sec...
[02:34] <alucardromero> plugins.guifications.org/trac/wiki/PluginPack
[02:35] <robeph> thats the pidgin one yeh?
[02:35] <robeph> same set as in apt?
[02:35] <o0Chris0o> I am playing a few sounds clips and it sounds like it is scratchy at the end..any way to fix that?
[02:35] <o0Chris0o> they are KDE system sounds
[02:35] <alucardromero> Yeah.
[02:35] <robeph> o0Chris0o: what are ya playing?
[02:35] <robeph> mp3/wav/aiff yada yadas
[02:35] <o0Chris0o> they are just system sounds that are built in with KDE
[02:35] <robeph> and what player
[02:36] <robeph> o
[02:36] <o0Chris0o> not sure exactly what I am using
[02:36] <o0Chris0o> I think Alsa
[02:36] <robeph> hmm
[02:36] <o0Chris0o> yeah
[02:36] <o0Chris0o> !alsa
[02:36] <robeph> I mean at root you use alsa
[02:37] <robeph> but I'm not sure if it has some mixer that may be joshing things up
[02:37] <o0Chris0o> brb gonan check these sites out
[02:37] <robeph> arts thats it
[02:37] <robeph> wait
[02:37] <robeph> is there sounds when you do stuff like close windowS?
[02:38] <robeph> i hear the startup racket,  but never anything else =\
[02:38] <robeph> and should arts be running two processes?
[02:38] <robeph> oh nm had system noise down ^^
[02:39] <robeph> alucardromero: and the apt pkg pidgin-plugin-pack doesn't work for ya?
[02:42] <alucardromero> Nope.
[02:43] <jmichaelx> i am having some problem with X not being willing to be revived after my screen goes to sleep, and have decided t o try to install a newer nvidia driver using envy. should i first un-install nvidia-glx-new before sing envy?
[02:43] <jmichaelx> using*
[02:43] <robeph> jmichaelx: does it actually come on?
[02:43] <robeph> jmichaelx: or does the box lock up :(  mine does that on another machine with a nforce onboard
[02:45] <jmichaelx> robeph: the screen does come on, but is locked up. i can move the cursor around, but cannot do anything, and am forced to reboot.
[02:45] <robeph> ah
[02:45] <robeph> no idea then :-\
[02:47] <jmichaelx> i upgraded from 8.04, and am considering a fresh install.... but i don't want to do that , of course, if it isn't going to correct the problem
[02:47] <CrashMaster_> kde 3.5 or 4 ?
[02:47] <jmichaelx> 3.5
[02:48] <jmichaelx> well, i have kde4 installed, too, but have not been using it much
[02:48] <maduser> I am having no problems with 4
[02:48] <CrashMaster_> desktop or lappy?
[02:48] <jmichaelx> CrashMaster_: desktop
[02:48] <CrashMaster_> then  yes
[02:48] <CrashMaster_> prior to upping the drivers, lose the old ones
[02:48] <jmichaelx> CrashMaster_: ty
[02:49] <jmichaelx> i am only assuming that the drivers i get from envy will be newer...
[02:50] <jmichaelx> i was also wondering what the difference was between 'envy' and 'envyng-common'
[02:50] <CrashMaster_> based on the package names, i'd say that envy-ng-common is the core app, and that envy is a front end of some kind
[02:51] <jmichaelx> could be, except that i have envy installed, but not envyng-common... would the ng possibly mean 'no gui'?
[02:51] <CrashMaster_> I believe so
[02:52] <jmichaelx> ah ok, that makes sense
[02:52] <jmichaelx> ok, i am going to try to change nvidia drivers and see what i have
[02:52] <jmichaelx> thanks for the help
[02:54] <o0Chris0o> anyone familiar with the kubuntu sound system and troubleshooting? I need some help plz
[02:55] <o0Chris0o> I am playing a few sounds clips and it sounds like it is scratchy and it over lapse..any way to fix that?
[02:57] <pyarra> hi folks, I'm happy to report that my screen-switching issue from Monday now has a workaround
[02:58] <CrashMaster_> pyarra: I dont remember you or your issue, but I'll happily take credit for the fix!
[02:58] <pyarra> seems the default kernel is the culprit - an older kernel allows the screen switch to work
[02:58] <fildo> that nvidia issue is with the driver
[02:58] <yao_ziyuan> i just saved a session profile in konsole.
[02:58] <fildo> u have to download it from nvidia and install it that way
[02:58] <yao_ziyuan> now how do i load it?
[02:58] <pyarra> CrashMaster: I owe it all to you :-)
[02:58] <o0Chris0o> !sound
[02:59] <pyarra> actually, I don't, I found the workaround myself
[02:59] <yao_ziyuan> !session
[02:59] <CrashMaster_> awwwww
[02:59] <yao_ziyuan> !sessionprofile
[02:59] <pyarra> but hey, you seem like a nice IRC entity, you can have some credit too
[02:59] <yao_ziyuan> !session profile
[02:59] <CrashMaster_> ... i think you made that word up.
[02:59] <shane_> hello
[03:01] <shane_> here can i get info on installing wireless card more specific dlink dl510 marvel chip
[03:01] <shane_> does anyone no where i can get help
[03:02] <CrashMaster_> !wifi
[03:02] <shane_> iv read tons of how toos and forums and none seem to do the trick
[03:02] <CrashMaster_> well
[03:02] <CrashMaster_> lets see what we can do then
[03:02] <CrashMaster_> Describe the problem
[03:03] <shane_> well it dif every time
[03:03] <shane_> i install the ndiswrapper file mrv8k51.inf
[03:03] <CrashMaster_> k
[03:03] <shane_> it was in there now its not
[03:03] <shane_> it wont show a ndiswrapper list
[03:04] <CrashMaster_> sudo ndiswrapper -l
[03:04] <shane_> i cant open network manager
[03:04] <CrashMaster_> Do it from the console
[03:04] <shane_> tryed that
[03:04] <shane_> just gives me new line not even an error code
[03:04] <CrashMaster_> really?
[03:04] <shane_> yup
[03:04] <CrashMaster_> reinstall the driver.
[03:05] <CrashMaster_> sudo ndiswrapper -i driver.inf
[03:05] <CrashMaster_> make sure you have the needed binaries in the same directory
[03:06] <sirmike1970md> hi all i am using kde 4 with kubuntu and my wallpaper wont appear it's still grey is there something i'm missing
[03:06] <shane_> i get couldnt open no such file or derectory
[03:07] <CrashMaster_> are you running it from the same dir as the downloaded windows drivers?
[03:07] <shane_> im a newb extreem
[03:08] <shane_> i got the info this time from wifidocsédwl-g510
[03:09] <shane_> i followed that 2 a t and i still get probs
[03:15] <shane_> ok im tryin to install a dl-510 g wireless card with marvel chip
[03:16] <shane_> any one that can translate the codes im gettin into english would be great
[03:16] <shane_> shane@shane-p42gig-kids:~$ ndiswrapper -i Win98/mrv8k51.inf
[03:16] <shane_> couldn't create /etc/ndiswrapper/mrv8k51: Permission denied at /usr/sbin/ndiswrapper-1.9 line 194.
[03:17] <CrashMaster_> sudo
[03:17] <shane_> this is what i get
[03:17] <CrashMaster_> must use SUDO
[03:18] <shane_> thanks man
[03:18] <shane_> like i said im a newbe it installed that time
[03:18] <CrashMaster_> good
[03:18] <CrashMaster_> now
[03:18] <CrashMaster_> sudo ndiswreapper -m
[03:18] <CrashMaster_> sudo ndiswrapper -m
[03:18] <shane_> mrv8k51 : driver installed
[03:18] <shane_> 	device (11AB:1FA6) present
[03:19] <shane_> thank u so much crashmaster i have been fighting all night with this
[03:19] <CrashMaster_> all gravy
[03:19] <CrashMaster_> iwconfig to make sure its ther
[03:19] <shane_> must i use sudo on all comands then
[03:20] <CrashMaster_> anything to do with the kernel, or installing stuff, yeah
[03:20] <o0Chris0o> I am playing a few sound clips and it sounds like it is scratchy and it over lapse..any way to fix that? I been through some of the fixes, but it doesn't seem like it is working
[03:20] <shane_> lo        no wireless extensions.
[03:20] <shane_> eth0      no wireless extensions.
[03:21] <shane_> i checked i have the driver but no devise yet
[03:21] <CrashMaster_> shane_: think you have to reboot now
[03:21] <shane_> i do have to run modprobe first though right
[03:22] <CrashMaster_> no,
[03:22] <CrashMaster_> the ndiswrapper -m takes care of that
[03:22] <shane_> ok will be back gonna give it a shot
[03:27] <GuyFromHell> If i get Kuby KDE4 remix, would i be getting the 4.0.0 or 4.0...3 i think it is?
[03:28] <Jucato> 4.0.3
[03:28] <Jucato> 4.0.4 updates available
[03:28] <GuyFromHell> Jucato, k thanks
[03:29] <Jucato> !kde4
[03:30] <ihcus> hi ppl ..can anyone ..tell me which one is better , like kubuntu or ubuntu ......i am a newbie and i am trying ubuntu and am interested in trying kubuntu
[03:30] <Jucato> !better | ihcus
[03:30] <flaccid> but we like the K
[03:30] <Jucato> ihcus: of course, you are asking in #kubuntu, what answer do you expect to get? ;)
[03:30] <shane_> ok crashmaster i restarted an still no device
[03:31] <CrashMaster_> I..  what?1
[03:31] <ihcus> jucato : hahahha nice one .....but still can u tell me where kubuntu excels over ubuntu
[03:31] <CrashMaster_> grr
[03:31] <shane_> it says driver install and device present
[03:31] <CrashMaster_> sudo ndiswrapper -l
[03:31] <Jucato> ihcus: Kubuntu uses KDE. that alone is enough reason (for me) :P
[03:31] <o0Chris0o> !fuse
[03:31] <CrashMaster_> sudo lsmod | grep ndiswrapper
[03:32] <Jucato> ihcus: an old article, might still be relevant: http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/kdegnome
[03:32] <shane_> nothin showed up just new line
[03:33] <Jucato> ihcus: although I'd have to painfully admit that Ubuntu does have some development advantages by virtue of the fact that it gets more attention (it is the poster child after all). but that's just Ubuntu-specific. doesn't apply to KDE vs. GNOME situations in general...
[03:33] <CrashMaster_> hm
[03:33] <CrashMaster_> run modprobe then
[03:34] <shane_> kk
[03:44] <shane_> ok now im trully stumped
[03:44] <shane_> the driver is installed and the device is pressent but not on
[03:45] <shane_> i ran modprobe and it didnt do nothin
[03:46] <frank23> shane_: check dmesg to see what modprobe did
[03:47] <tales_2010> is there a way to add a button to switch to desktop?
[03:47] <tales_2010> or view desktop
[03:47] <bibstha> tales_2010: add the show desktop applet?
[03:47] <fildo> bye
[03:47] <Jucato> and Ctrl+Alt+D
[03:47] <shane_> right now im in gedit and i added ndiswrapper to it and it wont save says i do not have permision
[03:48] <tales_2010> ctrl alt D doesnt work
[03:48] <frank23> tales_2010: Add panel -> Show desktop
[03:48] <bibstha> tales_2010: u are in kubuntu right? add the show desktop applet in the taskbar
[03:49] <shane_> wlan0 link is not ready
[03:49] <CrashMaster_> sudo ifconfig wlan0 up
[03:49] <Jucato> tales_2010: right-click on the panel -> Add Applet to Panel -> look for Show Desktop and add it
[03:49] <Jucato> frank23: not "Add Panel" though :)
[03:50] <bibstha> are u folks having problem with firefox 2 and audio programs?
[03:50] <shane_> hey crash that just gave me new line again
[03:51] <CrashMaster_> try the wireless nwow
[03:51] <o0Chris0o> I am playing a few sound clips and it sounds like it is scratchy and it over lapse..any way to fix that? I been through some of the fixes, but it doesn't seem like it is working
[03:51] <bibstha> whenever i play utube and at the same time try to play amarok, amarok complains no suitable xine device
[03:51] <shane_> hey its there
[03:51] <tales_2010> Jucato: there's no show desktop on kde4
[03:52] <shane_> ok i need to config wireless now
[03:52] <Jucato> tales_2010: ah yes... that's in the works
[03:52] <Jucato> shane_: but use Ctrl+F12 in the meantime
[03:52] <CrashMaster_> knetworkmanager should handle it
[03:52] <Jucato> er.. sorry shane_
[03:52] <tales_2010> Jucato: thank you!
[03:52] <Jucato> tales_2010: but use Ctrl+F12 in the meantime
[03:52] <Jucato> :)
[03:53] <shane_> knetworkmanager i can get that in add remove apps
[03:53] <Jucato> (knetworkmanager should be installed by default)
[03:54] <shane_> i have kwifimanager
[03:54] <CrashMaster_> knetworkmanager is superior
[03:54] <shane_> ok i will track it down and load it
[03:54] <shane_> kwifi has signal now but i still have no led
[03:54] <shane_> is that an isue
[03:56] <CrashMaster_> nah
[03:56] <CrashMaster_> unless it really bugs you
[03:58] <mikedomo> hi everybody
[03:59] <mikedomo> i  will like to get the unnoficial compizfusion plugins
[04:00] <Annon-a-user> does anyone know how to restore the ability for screensavers like phosphor to use a text program for output, I think hardy broke it
[04:00] <Jucato> mikedomo: perhaps #compiz-fusion people would know
[04:09] <shane__> im back
[04:10] <shane__> ok i moved the pc back to the kids room driver there device present
[04:10] <shane__> no conect
[04:12] <roconnor> I wish kpdf wouldn't print boxes around hyperlinks on the printer.  It makes kpdf look moronic.
[04:14] <shane__> one more time please last thing i did that made it work was?
[04:17] <shane__> hey crashmaster what was the comand i used to get conect and how do i save that
[04:18] <shane__> when i shut down it reset
[04:23] <shane__> ok i got it on
[04:26] <H2OyJaBoN> hi all
[04:26] <H2OyJaBoN> hi
[04:26] <H2OyJaBoN> what are the "problems" of pass the "noapic" parameter to kernel?
[04:30] <rhyme>  Anyone know how to bring kubuntu down to run level 3? sudo init 3 doesn't seem to work like it does in some other distros
[04:31] <rhyme> i just want to kill X11
[04:31] <rhyme> and install nvidia drivers
[04:31] <Jucato> rhyme: logout first, go to a console (Ctrl+Alt+F1) and run "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop"
[04:32] <heinkel_111> that should do it
[04:32] <rhyme> thanks.
[04:32] <heinkel_111> and the nvidia driver install is right outof the box if you have nothing on your computer of the sort from before
[04:33] <heinkel_111> if you have previous versions they must be removed first
[04:36] <joe_> hi room
[04:38] <uhriventis> I've two problems, when I boot I have to use the command xserver to start of course xserver to get out of the black and white screen. Then the other is some things will close out of no where
[04:38] <sirmike1970md> what is the trick to getting  rights for watching dvds
[04:46] <uhriventis> ...
[05:06] <jetsaredim> was there anything openvpn-related recently released?
[05:06] <jetsaredim> I can't get my openvpn setup working - no tun0
[05:29] <bruce_> is a server hard to set using kubuntu?
[05:30] <bruce_> set up
[05:30] <bruce_> anyone here?
[05:31] <genii> Yup
[05:31] <genii> bruce_: I haven't had much issues with server install.
[05:32] <bruce_> wasn't sure if it was working
[05:32] <genii> Remember no graphical interface however
[05:32] <genii> eg: no gnome or KDE etc
[05:33] <level1> hi genii
[05:33] <bruce_> is there a setup program
[05:33] <bruce_> ?
[05:33] <genii> bruce_: Yes, the server install cd runs a text based installer
[05:33] <level1> bruce_: have you every installed kubuntu using the "alternate install cd"?
[05:34] <genii> level1: Hi, btw :)
[05:34] <bruce_> I just did but I do not know what to do with it now that it is installed
[05:34] <bruce_> I just have a command prompt
[05:35] <genii> bruce_: Traditionally no desktop is on server. You would normally be ssh in from something with a gui to administer it, or to use web control panels for whatever app to administer like phpmyadmin for mysql or so on
[05:36] <genii> bruce_: Normally you would have some idea of what use you want for it like serving webpages or so, and then develop a roadmap from there
[05:36] <bruce_> so after you install it you just log on from another computer?
[05:36] <bruce_> I just want to use it as a home file server.
[05:36] <genii> bruce_: You will just get the same command prompt of course.
[05:37] <dwidmann_laptop> ssh ftw
[05:37] <level1> bruce_: yeah, you find out the ip address of the server, then, from another computer, do "ssh <username>@<ipaddress>" and you'll be able to run commands
[05:37] <level1> thats ssh
[05:37] <dwidmann_laptop> level1: you can use the hostname too y'know
[05:37] <genii> bruce_: So then look into the web app of SWAT and install it along with samba using commandline tool of apt-get or synaptic or so. Then you can go by web browser to the SWAT page of the server from another box
[05:38] <genii> bruce_: You might get some server-specific help also in #ubuntu-server channel
[05:38] <level1> dwidmann_laptop: yeah, that requires extra setup with editing host files and such
[05:39] <level1> I was thinking about getting a server but what would I do with it?
[05:39] <genii> Serve things? ;)
[05:39] <dwidmann_laptop> level1: has worked out of the box with all 4 of my kubuntu setups
[05:39] <bruce_> thanks
[05:40] <level1> dwidmann_laptop: no, no, no, you have to add the hostname to /etc/hosts... otherwise, how would your computer know what the ip address of your server could possibly be?
[05:40] <level1> what is it supposed to guess?
[05:41] <dwidmann_laptop> level1: avahi
[05:43] <calcmandan> How does one get k3b to support double layer dvd writing? It worked in 6.06 and I can't find anything related that helps me out.  Thanks.
[05:44] <dwidmann_laptop> calcmandan: I should assume that if it were going to work it would be working ootb ...
[05:45] <calcmandan> dwidmann_laptop: me too.
[05:46] <calcmandan> they don't usually take away critical features like dvd burning from dvd burning software, but meh.
[05:46] <dwidmann_laptop> calcmandan: what sort of messages does it give you about it?
[05:46] <genii> Mine burns dual-layer no issues, clean 8.04 install
[05:46] <calcmandan> genii: me too.
[05:47] <calcmandan> K3b does not support copying multi-session DVDs.
[05:47] <calcmandan> it did before, that's what's pissing me off.
[05:47] <dwidmann_laptop> if k3b doesn't calcmandan, perhaps dd does :)
[05:48] <calcmandan> dwidmann_laptop: oh i have other software that works. but my other half is used to and comfortable with k3b. I'm not always around to burn dvd's.
[05:49] <dwidmann_laptop> calcmandan: will it copy okay if you tell it to create ISO image only, then burn with the ISO image?
[05:49] <ubuntu__> gygy
[05:50] <calcmandan> dwidmann_laptop: no, i tried every combination. i'm sure it's a library i'm missing or something.
[05:54] <calcmandan> installed libk3b-dev..  going to reboot and see if it works then.
[05:58] <harolddong> all of my non-linux partitions seem to be really fickle about automouting.  Usually if they dont want to mount booting into windows and then back into kubuntu seems to fix it for some reason but now that's not even helping
[05:58] <harolddong> does hardy handle driving in a new way?  Because I never had this problem in gutsy
[05:59] <Xbehave> driving?
[06:00] <harolddong> *does hardy handle drive mounting
[06:00] <harolddong> sory
[06:01] <harolddong> I can see the partitions in the file manager but they just won't mount
[06:01] <Xbehave> oh right, i wouldnt think so itll just pass the paramerters to mount
[06:01] <Xbehave> are they in your fstab?
[06:03] <harolddong> yes they are in fstab. I used the diskmounter utility when I first started having this problem to add them because I figured that kubuntu itself must have been doing it wrong... but the problem persists
[06:04] <Xbehave> if they are ther then try mount -a as should show if they can be mounted
[06:06] <Xbehave> i suspect that theyre being picked up with errors, so adding a line to the end of fstab that says to mount read only on errors should get around it, but i dont know what the command is atm
[06:06] <harolddong> "sudo mount -a" made everything mount but why arent they doing it automatically?
[06:06] <harolddong> hmm
[06:28] <o0Chris0o> how do I install a font
[06:33] <o0Chris0o> !font
[06:45] <o0Chris0o> anyone around
[06:45] <o0Chris0o> that how to is for ubuntu
[06:46] <o0Chris0o> I don'
[06:46] <o0Chris0o> t have synaptic
[06:46] <dwidmann_laptop> o0Chris0o: go to system settings -> fonts
[06:46] <Jucato> substitute Adept for Synaptic
[06:46] <comodo> can someone tell me how to install flashplayer in firefox?
[06:46] <comodo> on kubuntu
[06:47] <dwidmann_laptop> umm, o0Chris0o, I mean system setttings -> appearance -> font installer
[06:47] <o0Chris0o> ty
[06:47] <o0Chris0o> I found it dwidmann_laptopI had to remember, I've done it before
[06:47] <Jucato> (unless he was trying to install msttcorefonts...)
[06:50] <dwidmann_laptop> Jucato: I'd sooner assume something that didn't involve installing mutliverse packages first :)
[07:45] <mateusz> hello?
[07:49] <mateusz> HELL!!!
[07:52] <mateusz> hello
[07:52] <mateusz> anybody there?
[07:53] <mateusz> http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg
[07:55] <emilsedgh> ask
[07:56] <mateusz> how do i register for this IRC channel?
[07:57] <emilsedgh> !register | mateusz
[07:57] <uhriventis> Uhg, Kubuntu runs to slow I'm going to have to switch back to XP
[07:57] <uhriventis> (which isn't a bad OS no matter what anyone says
[07:58] <uhriventis> :^(
[07:58] <uhriventis> I wish I didn't have to
[07:59] <Daisuke_Ido> what are your system specs
[07:59] <Daisuke_Ido> it's always better to try to pinpoint the problem rather than give up
[07:59] <uhriventis> Well, my specs are older. But, they ran FAST on XP encluding newer games.
[07:59] <Daisuke_Ido> and there are a whole lot of people who would argue the concept of anything Windows being good.
[08:00] <uhriventis> I run a 2.3 celeron 80 gig HD 64 meg vid card on Linux only because my 256 ATI won't work on linux
[08:00] <Daisuke_Ido> are you running the 3.5 or 4.0 release of kubuntu?
[08:00] <uhriventis> 3.5
[08:00] <uhriventis> And I understand Windows isn't the best
[08:00] <Daisuke_Ido> and what's the newer ati model?
[08:00] <Daisuke_Ido> because most should work
[08:00] <Daisuke_Ido> now, anyway
[08:00] <Daisuke_Ido> a year ago, no way
[08:00] <uhriventis> But you got to think they produce millions of disc and they all work on all systems. But, linux only works on select few in my experience
[08:01] <uhriventis> Ubuntu base linux os's is the only one that I could get to work
[08:01] <uhriventis> It's an older ATI
[08:01] <uhriventis> 9250
[08:01] <Daisuke_Ido> windows works on so many things because hardware companies are at their beck and call.
[08:01] <uhriventis> Which if you look on google. ALOT of people have problems with
[08:01] <uhriventis> Which is good
[08:01] <uhriventis> And bad
[08:01] <Daisuke_Ido> and yeah, that's not the happiest card in linux
[08:01] <mateusz> true
[08:01] <uhriventis> Windows is an addiction
[08:02] <uhriventis> But, it works
[08:02] <uhriventis> You know?
[08:02] <mateusz> xp is the best OS from microsoft
[08:02] <Daisuke_Ido> uhriventis: i've got my chip, i've been clean for two years now
[08:02] <uhriventis> yes
[08:02] <Daisuke_Ido> mateusz: that's like saying aids is the best virus from a hooker.
[08:02] <uhriventis> Do you run the Radeon 9250?
[08:02] <gloria> ciao
[08:02] <uhriventis> Daisuke, I'm not bashing linux. I LOVE the idea of it
[08:03] <uhriventis> But, it's just not working for me.
[08:03] <Daisuke_Ido> but yeah, i have to concede that 2k and xp are the closest MS has gotten to getting it right
[08:03] <mateusz> what do u think of Windows Vista?
[08:03] <uhriventis> And I'm getting a little tired of editing everything to make it work
[08:03] <uhriventis> Hate vista
[08:03] <mateusz> same
[08:03] <uhriventis> 20gig os?!?
[08:03] <uhriventis> Ugg
[08:03] <mateusz> fucking hell
[08:03] <mateusz> yeah
[08:03] <Daisuke_Ido> mateusz: vista?  i can't use the words i would like in this channel.
[08:03] <uhriventis> XP is 2 gigs
[08:03] <Daisuke_Ido> though you did.  please watch your language in here
[08:03] <flaccid_> they tried desktop effects and ended up with effects+bloat
[08:04] <mateusz> ok
[08:04] <flaccid_> :p
[08:04] <mateusz> im sorry it's just that it is a bad OS i mean real bad
[08:04] <mateusz> had so many issues with running Crysis
[08:04] <Daisuke_Ido> i find that vista is in the same category as ME
[08:04] <uhriventis> No but, seriously Linux is a awesome idea and if I could it would be my main OS. But, I guess since my hardware is so outdated and not supported by ANY linux os then I just got to 'downgrade'
[08:05] <Daisuke_Ido> they aren't bad OSes...  they're bad excuses for OSes :)
[08:05] <mateusz> shame
[08:05] <Daisuke_Ido> uhriventis: that does suck, it's an enlightening experience
[08:05] <mateusz> linux should be easy to run
[08:05] <uhriventis> I tired Fedora it wouldn't even install with my VID card. Debian the same, dream linux the same, ubuntu would work just be slow as hell
[08:05] <mateusz> easier than xp
[08:06] <uhriventis> "should"
[08:06] <mateusz> dang
[08:06] <Daisuke_Ido> it doesn't seem like there's any obvious reason your hardware would be causing that many problems...
[08:06] <uhriventis> tried
[08:06] <uhriventis> Radeon 9250 just seems to have a lot of problems
[08:06] <mateusz> mayby you should upgrade
[08:06] <uhriventis> If I could fix it I wouldn't go back to windows.
[08:06] <uhriventis> Upgrading takes money. :^(
[08:06] <mateusz> hmmm
[08:07] <mateusz> is only the Video card the main issue?
[08:07] <uhriventis> Seriously goto google and type in Radeon 9250 Pro Linux
[08:07] <uhriventis> See all the problems
[08:07] <uhriventis> yes
[08:07] <uhriventis> Just the vid card
[08:07] <mateusz> hmmm
[08:07] <mateusz> and u running on a desktop?
[08:07] <uhriventis> Yes
[08:07] <flaccid_> ati * cough
[08:08] <uhriventis> not a laptop if thats what you mean
[08:08] <uhriventis> Yes ATI
[08:08] <uhriventis> !
[08:08] <flaccid_> the problem is ati, not linux.
[08:08] <mateusz> does your motherboard have VGA support or DVI?
[08:08] <uhriventis> but even though it's ATI linux should give it more support seeing as it's the biggest gfx make4r
[08:08] <uhriventis> you know?\
[08:08] <Daisuke_Ido> uhriventis: it isn't, though.
[08:08] <uhriventis> Vidia is under it
[08:08] <Daisuke_Ido> nvidia's a whole lot bigger.
[08:08] <flaccid_> uhriventis: yes i've known since ATI has existed .. :)
[08:09] <uhriventis> ATI sells more
[08:09] <Daisuke_Ido> wrong again, but i'll overlook that
[08:09] <flaccid_> who cares about how much is sold..
[08:09] <Daisuke_Ido> it's not linux that isn't supporting ati
[08:09] <uhriventis> I have VGA support I don't know about dvi
[08:09] <Daisuke_Ido> it's ati that isn't supporting linux.
[08:09] <flaccid_> if you suppot an OS do it properly and preferably no BLOB
[08:09] <mateusz> im running a 8800GT on my desktop and 8400 GM on my HP Pavillion DV9000
[08:09] <Daisuke_Ido> exactly
[08:09] <mateusz> works great
[08:10] <flaccid_> im on 9600GT 512mb w/ beta driver
[08:10] <uhriventis> 8800 is nividia though. Linux should give the same amount of respect.
[08:10] <mateusz> lucky
[08:10] <uhriventis> I think
[08:10] <flaccid_> linux, respect, huh?
[08:10] <mateusz> I agree
[08:10] <Daisuke_Ido> it. is. not. linux.
[08:10] <uhriventis> Also ATI has left it's drivers open
[08:10] <flaccid_> ATI is the problem here, nobody else.
[08:10] <Daisuke_Ido> uhriventis: WRONG
[08:10] <mateusz> try contacing nvidia and they can FTP the driver to you
[08:11] <Daisuke_Ido> they have opened the *specs* which is a whole lot different than opening the drivers
[08:11] <flaccid_> yeah only recent has ati announced new driver support
[08:11] <uhriventis> ATI has open drivers man
[08:11] <Daisuke_Ido> no they most certainly do not.
[08:11] <flaccid_> uhriventis: URL please
[08:11] <uhriventis> Yes they do
[08:11] <Daisuke_Ido> URL.
[08:11] <uhriventis> Go to ati
[08:11] <uhriventis> . com
[08:11] <Daisuke_Ido> they don't.  they opened the specs
[08:11] <uhriventis> They offer linux drivers
[08:11] <flaccid_> uhriventis: where abouts
[08:11] <Daisuke_Ido> not the driver code
[08:11] <flaccid_> uhriventis: thats binary not source.
[08:11] <Daisuke_Ido> they offer a binary linux driver, that's not source, and therefore not open
[08:11] <mateusz> ill be right back
[08:11] <MilhousePunkRock> Hello everyone!
[08:12] <uhriventis> I know ATI has opened drivers
[08:12] <Daisuke_Ido> you know wrong
[08:12] <uhriventis> I've heard it a million places
[08:12] <flaccid_> uhriventis: prove t please
[08:12] <uhriventis> Though I can't conferm
[08:12] <flaccid_> don't believe everything you hear
[08:12] <Daisuke_Ido> uhriventis: as i've said a few times, they opened the specs, that doesn't mean their drivers are open.
[08:12] <MilhousePunkRock> What's the complete approach to overcome the SSH vulnerability? Update, remove old keys, create new keys, trash known_hosts, anything else?
[08:12] <uhriventis> But either way Linux programmers make bootleg copies of all the games I play that are just as good. Why not drivers?
[08:12] <flaccid_> MilhousePunkRock: just a secure password
[08:13] <flaccid_> uhriventis: heard of reverse engineering?
[08:13] <Daisuke_Ido> MilhousePunkRock: or just ignore it because it's been an issue for two years now and they're just now realizing this.
[08:13] <uhriventis> Yeah
[08:13] <flaccid_> closed = closed.
[08:13] <uhriventis> Soviets did it on our B-29 :^)
[08:13] <flaccid_> our ?
[08:13] <uhriventis> and 52
[08:13] <uhriventis> Yes
[08:13] <flaccid_> who is our ?
[08:13] <uhriventis> US
[08:13] <Daisuke_Ido> uhriventis: it's not as simple as you would seem to think
[08:14] <flaccid_> lol
[08:14] <flaccid_> im not one of you uhriventis
[08:14] <MilhousePunkRock> Daisuke_Ido: I can't preach how secure Linux is compared to other inferior OSes and be the weakest part of the chain myself...
[08:14] <flaccid_> so don't say our. more than the US in this world.
[08:14] <uhriventis> One of me?
[08:14] <uhriventis> You mean american?
[08:14] <flaccid_> US is an american country
[08:14] <uhriventis> Hahah flaccid you think all americans think the US is the world huh?
[08:14] <flaccid_> uhriventis: no i don't. i know a lot that don''t
[08:15] <MilhousePunkRock> flaccid_: All my passwords are usually combinations of two words which are probably not found connected in a dictionary, and in leet speak (only place leet speak is appropriate for, ever)
[08:15] <uhriventis> Well I don't either. So don't go confusing. I just forget this is a world wide project
[08:15] <flaccid_> sounds good MPR
[08:15] <Daisuke_Ido> if you would like to give it a shot, go grab the open source radeon driver (not ati's) and implement full 3d functionality.  i've got $20 taht says you choke.
[08:15] <flaccid_> uhriventis: as do a lof you americans
[08:15] <uhriventis> Which driver?
[08:15] <flaccid_> !ot
[08:16] <flaccid_> if you have a specific question on supporting ati feel free to ask
[08:16] <uhriventis> You get stuck in a country so wide that isn't surrounded by 5 other countries that speak different languages and you would end up the same
[08:16] <uhriventis> See that's the difference. Europe is so tightly wound
[08:16] <Daisuke_Ido> nationalist
[08:17] <uhriventis> Me?
[08:17] <MilhousePunkRock> Back to my original question, flaccid_ and Daisuke_Ido, are the steps I outlined sufficient?
[08:17] <flaccid_> what does europe have to do with it. don't generalise.
[08:17] <Daisuke_Ido> i see why you fear fixing your issues with linux, now...
[08:17] <Daisuke_Ido> MilhousePunkRock: should be.
[08:17] <uhriventis> ...
[08:17] <uhriventis> HAHAH
[08:17] <flaccid_> MilhousePunkRock: unless you goto vpn as a requirement
[08:17] <uhriventis> I'm a capitlist right?
[08:17] <uhriventis> Haha
[08:17] <flaccid_> who knows
[08:18] <flaccid_> you are annoying mostly
[08:18] <uhriventis> Haha
[08:18] <Daisuke_Ido> uhriventis: i'm an american, and even i can't stand your type.
[08:18] <flaccid_> hehe
[08:18] <MilhousePunkRock> flaccid_: No inbound vpn here, and I wonder if I can still use my university's vpn any longer now that I am not a student anymore...
[08:18] <uhriventis> And why?
[08:18] <uhriventis> Because linux isn't working for me?
[08:18] <flaccid_> cool
[08:18] <flaccid_> you mean ATI isnt working for you
[08:18] <uhriventis> You just hate to hear windows works for me and not linux?
[08:18] <MilhousePunkRock> Someone just said !ot already, right?
[08:18] <uhriventis> Well lopok
[08:18] <uhriventis> look
[08:18] <uhriventis> Windows worked with ati linux does not.
[08:19] <uhriventis> Where;s the prolem I can fix?
[08:19] <flaccid_> and you are so ignorant that you blame the OS.
[08:19] <flaccid_> should i laugh?
[08:19] <uhriventis> I can't change ati
[08:19] <MilhousePunkRock> uhriventis: That's ATI's fault, not linux's though...
[08:19] <uhriventis> But I can change the OS
[08:19] <flaccid_> who can change ati? probably only ati... this is the point so get over it
[08:19] <Daisuke_Ido> because you've been talking out of your ass for the past half hour, spouting half-truths and lies.  i rarely if ever say this, but go on back to windows, you deserve it.
[08:19] <uhriventis> Thats what I'm saying!
[08:19] <uhriventis> I can't change ATI
[08:19] <flaccid_> its not the OS responsibility. changing the OS will not change the driver at all.
[08:19] <uhriventis> So I must result going back given my hardware!
[08:20] <flaccid_> uhriventis: you are welcome to do whatever you would like
[08:20] <uhriventis> I'm just sad
[08:20] <uhriventis> That I have to
[08:20] <uhriventis> it's not what I like once again I want to stick with linux. It's I HAVE to
[08:20] <flaccid_> been there, done that.
[08:20] <MilhousePunkRock> uhriventis: Unless it's a laptop, just get a 20 € NVidia card ;)
[08:20] <uhriventis> I can't get ATI to work simple as that
[08:20] <flaccid_> haha
[08:20] <uhriventis> It's pc
[08:21] <flaccid_> uhriventis: if you have a specific problem im happy to help.
[08:21] <uhriventis> Radeon 9250 runs slow
[08:21] <uhriventis> No 3d support
[08:21] <MilhousePunkRock> fair enough, hop on ebay and get a used geforce 6200, passive cooling might even make your pc more silent
[08:21] <uhriventis> Look, flaccid everyone you got the wrong image.
[08:21] <flaccid> uhriventis: did you check support for the card?
[08:21] <uhriventis> I want to stick with Linux, I just don't know what to do
[08:22] <flaccid> uhriventis: if you shutup, i might do some research for you
[08:22] <uhriventis> Whatever
[08:22] <uhriventis> You're rude
[08:22] <flaccid> do you want it working or not?
[08:22] <Daisuke_Ido> HAH
[08:22] <uhriventis> I've been respectful to all of you
[08:22] <Daisuke_Ido> haha
[08:22] <Daisuke_Ido> oh, i think i just peed myself a little
[08:22]  * flaccid messages friend with 3d/accel going on 9250
[08:22] <uhriventis> See
[08:22] <flaccid> he says its going quite well
[08:23] <uhriventis> What do you mean?
[08:23] <flaccid> hes playing et atm
[08:23] <Daisuke_Ido> it's time to go to bed, i tend to forget the CoC this late.
[08:24] <uhriventis> 2:30 here
[08:24] <Daisuke_Ido> uhriventis: when you installed ubuntu, did you bother installing the restricted driver it asked you about?
[08:24] <uhriventis> I installed Kubuntu Live
[08:24] <uhriventis> And it never asked me that
[08:24] <Daisuke_Ido> wait... you're on the livecd?
[08:24] <flaccid> my friend is using the restricted driver
[08:25] <uhriventis> I'm not on the live CD I installed from it though
[08:25] <petgrill> hi i am new in kubuntu and i need some help
[08:25] <uhriventis> Flaccid does he use 9250?
[08:25] <flaccid> !ask | petgrill
[08:25] <flaccid> uhriventis: yes
[08:25] <Daisuke_Ido> flaccid: i'm not sure where the restricted driver manager is in kde anymore
[08:25] <flaccid> depends on release
[08:25] <flaccid> uhriventis: what release are you on
[08:25] <uhriventis> I'm asking now
[08:26] <Daisuke_Ido> uhriventis: what's the output of uname -a
[08:26] <uhriventis> 8.04
[08:26] <Daisuke_Ido> alrighty
[08:26] <uhriventis> I have no idea what uname -a is
[08:26] <flaccid> uhriventis: goto Hardware Drivers and let us know what it says
[08:26] <uhriventis> Alright
[08:26] <uhriventis> so system settings
[08:26] <flaccid> yeah
[08:26] <uhriventis> Moniter and display
[08:27] <uhriventis> ... Loading
[08:27] <flaccid> nope. are you on kde3 or kde4?
[08:27] <uhriventis> 3
[08:27] <uhriventis> I just uninstalled 4 didn't like it
[08:27] <petgrill> i selected to instal gimp to my pc and something happend and i stopped instal and now i can't instal or uninstal gimp
[08:28] <uhriventis> Tell me where to go
[08:28] <flaccid> uhriventis: it should be under restricted drivers in system settings.
[08:28] <uhriventis> There is nothing that says restricted drivers
[08:28] <MilhousePunkRock> petgrill: apt-get on a shell or adept?
[08:28] <petgrill> adept
[08:29] <petgrill> i think
[08:29] <MilhousePunkRock> petgrill: Can you try "sudo apt-get install gimp" on a shell and paste the output to a pastebin?
[08:29] <MilhousePunkRock> !paste | petgrill
[08:29] <uhriventis> Any idea why Flaccid?
[08:30] <flaccid> yes
[08:30] <uhriventis> Where do I need to be?
[08:30] <flaccid> you'll have to excuse me, im on kde4 atm
[08:30] <MilhousePunkRock> Should it not be "Hardware Drivers"?
[08:30] <uhriventis> Okay
[08:30] <cirrus_> Hello everyone
[08:30] <uhriventis> I understand
[08:30] <flaccid> uhriventis: try kdesudo /usr/bin/jockey-kde
[08:30] <cirrus_> do you have a hint howto mount a SUSE-Encrypted home in Kubuntu??
[08:30] <flaccid> let me know result
[08:30] <uhriventis> I type in kdeosudo or just sudo?
[08:31] <MilhousePunkRock> uhriventis: kdesudo
[08:31] <MilhousePunkRock> cirrus_: Does it differ from an encrypted kubuntu home?
[08:31] <petgrill> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11993/
[08:31] <uhriventis> uhriventis@uhriventis-desktop:~$ kdesudo /usr/bin/jockey-kde
[08:31] <uhriventis> QImage::smoothScale: Image is a null image
[08:32] <uhriventis> That's what came up
[08:32] <uhriventis> By the way Flaccid thanks for helping even though the fight earlier
[08:32] <MilhousePunkRock> petgrill: Is adept still open?
[08:32] <petgrill> yes
[08:32] <cirrus_> MilhousePunkRock: yes, it does
[08:32] <uhriventis> wait something just poped up
[08:32] <MilhousePunkRock> petgrill: You need to close it before trying apt-get on a shell
[08:32] <flaccid> all good
[08:32] <cirrus_> when I try to mount it, there ist always an error saying my pwd must be at least 20 chars
[08:33] <uhriventis> Asked me to type my pass to see the hardware manager
[08:33] <uhriventis> But I did and nothing else came up
[08:33] <flaccid> did it take you there uhriventis?
[08:33] <uhriventis> No
[08:33] <uhriventis> Just went away
[08:33] <MilhousePunkRock> cirrus_: Not a bad idea... So your SUSE pw for the vault is shorter?
[08:33] <flaccid> let me open kde3 i so can't remember jockey is kde4. kde restricted is optional, one sec
[08:33] <petgrill> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11995/
[08:33] <uhriventis> Alright
[08:33] <MilhousePunkRock> cirrus_: In that case, my guess would be to change the PW in SUSE and see if that helps already
[08:34] <cirrus_> MilhousePunkRock: yes it is shorter
[08:34] <uhriventis> Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key
[08:34] <uhriventis> jockey-kde: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[08:34] <uhriventis> That came up too
[08:34] <cirrus_> hmm, but I have to use it on every boot - I don't want a longer one
[08:35] <MilhousePunkRock> petgrill: The archive is corrupted... Try removing it with "sudo rm /var/cvar/cache/apt/archives/gimp_2.4.5-1ubuntu2_i386.deb" and try againache/apt/archives/gimp_2.4.5-1ubuntu2_i386.deb
[08:35] <flaccid> uhriventis: need the kde4 libs i think as no restrictd-manager-kde in 8.04
[08:35] <flaccid> one sec
[08:35] <flaccid> uhriventis: lets take the manual approach
[08:36] <flaccid> because you are on kde3
[08:36] <petgrill> cannot remove :/
[08:36] <flaccid> uhriventis: pastebin these following commands please so i can see
[08:36] <uhriventis> I wish I had KDE4 now.
[08:36] <MilhousePunkRock> flaccid: What about using Envy?
[08:36] <uhriventis> What's pastebin?
[08:36] <flaccid> uhriventis: not needed
[08:36] <flaccid> !pastebin | MilhousePunkRock
[08:36] <flaccid> i thought envy was nvidia and its bad anyway imo
[08:36] <flaccid> oops
[08:36] <MilhousePunkRock> flaccid: Thanks, I know what pastebin is ;)
[08:36] <flaccid> that was for you uhriventis
[08:37] <flaccid> MilhousePunkRock: my bad..
[08:37] <uhriventis> Envy had ATI too
[08:37] <flaccid> no no envy!
[08:37] <MilhousePunkRock> flaccid: It's for ATI too, I think
[08:37] <flaccid> !envy
[08:37] <flaccid> thats why
[08:37] <petgrill> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11996/
[08:37] <uhriventis> I clicked on that link ubottu gave me
[08:37] <uhriventis> Taking me somewhere
[08:37] <flaccid> uhriventis: pastebin output of this: uname -a; lsb_release -a; dpkg -l | grep fglrx; cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:37] <MilhousePunkRock> petgrill: Any error given?
[08:38] <petgrill> it says i can't remove it
[08:38] <petgrill> not exists
[08:38] <uhriventis> Alright
[08:39] <MilhousePunkRock> petgrill: There was a typo in my line... It's just /var/cache, not /var/cvar/cache
[08:39] <uhriventis> I'm at that website where do I go
[08:39] <flaccid> uhriventis: you create a new paste, paste the output and then let us know the URL
[08:39] <petgrill> ok
[08:39] <petgrill> removed
[08:40] <petgrill> know i try instal again?
[08:40] <uhriventis> hhow do I create anew one
[08:40] <uhriventis> Nothing on the website says create
[08:40] <uhriventis> or pastebin
[08:40] <flaccid> uhriventis: the factoid is outdated. goto http://pastebin.ubuntu.com
[08:40] <Phlogi__> where is there a generic linux kernel image with version 2.6.24-17, BUT not restricted modules for that kernel?
[08:40] <uhriventis> Oh
[08:41] <flaccid> Jucato: can we fix that?
[08:41] <petgrill> thank you very much guys it is fixxed :)
[08:41] <MilhousePunkRock> petgrill: Yes, just use the arrow up key on the shell until you have the sudo apt-get install gimp line again
[08:41] <petgrill> you rock! :)))
[08:41] <MilhousePunkRock> petgrill: Hence the name ;) Glad that I could help
[08:42] <stdin> !pastebin =~ /-nl.org/.com/
[08:42] <uhriventis> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11997/
[08:42] <uhriventis> I think
[08:42] <stdin> !pastebin-#kubuntu =~ /-nl.org/.com/
[08:43] <flaccid> !pastebin
[08:43] <Jucato> flaccid: use stdin ^^^^
[08:43] <flaccid> nice one stdin
[08:43] <flaccid> :)
[08:44] <flaccid> uhriventis: ok i will give you directions to use the latest ati restricted/prop. driver ok?
[08:44] <uhriventis> Okay walk me through it
[08:44] <flaccid> Jucato: is it reality or am i drunk that there is no restricted/hardware driver manager in 8.04/kde3?
[08:44] <flaccid> uhriventis: one sec i will fetch my ati notebook
[08:44] <uhriventis> I'm drunk too
[08:44] <uhriventis> .................
[08:44] <Jucato> flaccid: I updated the wiki page
[08:45] <flaccid> cool
[08:45] <flaccid> Jucato: which one sorry
[08:45] <uhriventis> <- 8 beerss :^o
[08:45] <MilhousePunkRock> flaccid: I do have it, but I used to have KDE4 installed before I upgraded to Hardy, maybe it's some kind of leftover that got upgraded
[08:45] <eth01> hi
[08:45] <uhriventis> I think I like KDE3.5 better then 4
[08:46] <flaccid> MilhousePunkRock: possible, was that gutsy?
[08:46] <Jucato> flaccid: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:46] <MilhousePunkRock> flaccid: Yes... I had a hard time uninstalling KDE4 too, I am pretty sure there is some stuff left...
[08:46] <flaccid> uhriventis: ok. sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx first please
[08:46] <flaccid> thanks jucy
[08:47] <uhriventis> Kubuntu comes with the fglrx ddrivers
[08:47] <uhriventis> KDE4 was easy for me sudo apt-get install kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[08:47] <uhriventis> somein like that
[08:47]  * MilhousePunkRock will go and pick up his new cell phone now... :D Have a nice day everyone!
[08:47] <MilhousePunkRock> uhriventis: That's hardy, it's simpler there
[08:48] <uhriventis> Is hardy 8.04?
[08:48] <flaccid> uhriventis: ok Jucato has advised. do you have hardware drivers manager in kmenu -> system ?
[08:48] <flaccid> !hardy
[08:48] <uhriventis> I should just give you a screen shot of what I have in system huh?
[08:49] <flaccid> uhriventis: no need. is it there?
[08:49] <uhriventis> Nothing in system says drivers.
[08:49] <MilhousePunkRock> uhriventis: Yes. Like it says in your pasted "lsb_release -a"
[08:49] <flaccid> uhriventis: no worries. install the package xorg-drivers-fglrx please
[08:49] <uhriventis> Okay
[08:49] <flaccid> * xorg-driver-fglrx
[08:49] <uhriventis> so sudo apt-get install xorg-drivers-fglrx?
[08:50] <flaccid> -s sorry
[08:50] <flaccid> let me know how it goes
[08:50] <uhriventis> so sudo apt-get -s install xorg-driver-fglrx?
[08:50] <bibstha> any idea how to use socks proxy with apt-get
[08:50] <flaccid> uhriventis: sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[08:51] <uhriventis> Alrights
[08:51] <uhriventis> Installing now
[08:52] <uhriventis> Need to get 9951kB of archives.
[08:52] <uhriventis> After this operation, 30.1MB of additional disk space will be used.
[08:52] <uhriventis> Get:1 http://mx.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/restricted xorg-driver-fglrx 1:7.1.0-8-3+2.6.24.12-16.34 [9951kB]
[08:52] <uhriventis> 53 percent done
[08:53] <flaccid> pastebin is for more than 3 lines uhriventis :) but ta
[08:53] <uhriventis> I'll pastebin it all when its done
[08:54] <flaccid> nah just let us know when done if there is error
[08:54] <uhriventis> No error istalled fine
[08:54] <flaccid> ok cool
[08:54] <uhriventis> I'm using the shitty intel
[08:54] <uhriventis> SHould I goto the ATI now?
[08:54] <uhriventis> See how it works?
[08:54] <flaccid> no
[08:54] <flaccid> are you talking about in xorg.conf?
[08:55] <uhriventis> So with system
[08:55] <flaccid> 'system
[08:55] <flaccid>  ?
[08:55] <uhriventis> With the monitor and display
[08:55] <uhriventis> Says the ATI card is secondary
[08:56] <flaccid> nah, we will dodge that in preference of an optimised xorg.conf :)
[08:56] <sivaji> process kio_thumbnail always take more cpu cycle see this http://img530.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot2kq5.png
[08:56] <flaccid> just give me a few mins
[08:56] <uhriventis> Show me how! :^)
[08:57] <flaccid> just making it now
[08:57] <uhriventis> k
[08:57] <flaccid> uhriventis: actually
[08:57] <flaccid> i'll work off a new xorg for the reconfigure on your system
[08:58] <flaccid> follow this exactly/careful: run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:58] <flaccid> uhriventis: make sure you select fglrx for driver
[08:58] <flaccid> select the relevant resolutions or just 1
[08:58] <flaccid> press enter for all the other things you don't know
[09:00] <uhriventis> brb 1 sec
[09:00] <flaccid> k
[09:00] <flaccid> Jucato: hardware drivers is in system with default fresh 8.04 install from iso ?
[09:01] <flaccid> for kde3 that is
[09:01] <Jucato> should be
[09:01] <flaccid> hmm didnt seem to be on uhriventis' system but i could of been wrong there
[09:01] <sivaji> Jucato flaccid do you have any idea why kio_thumbnail process always takes more cpu cycle
[09:02] <Jucato> sivaji: none
[09:02] <flaccid> sivaji:  no idea sorry, maybe #kde or #kde-devel
[09:05] <flaccid> uhriventis: hows it going
[09:08] <uhriventis> Back
[09:08] <uhriventis> Okay
[09:08] <flaccid> wb
[09:08] <uhriventis> What do you want to kwnjo?
[09:08] <uhriventis> know
[09:09] <flaccid> uhriventis: pastebin the new xorg.conf and i will check before you use it
[09:09] <uhriventis> How do I show what the new xorg looks like?
[09:09] <uhriventis> The command
[09:09] <flaccid> uhriventis: do a kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:09] <flaccid> thats easiest to copy it
[09:10] <eagles0513875> uhriventis: hey
[09:10] <uhriventis> I typed that into konsole and it gave me
[09:11] <uhriventis> kate: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[09:11] <flaccid> uhriventis: try it in alt+f2
[09:11] <uhriventis> Maybe goto the file directly
[09:11] <uhriventis> Hey eagle
[09:11] <uhriventis> Sudo it maybe?
[09:11] <flaccid> use alt+f2 not the konsole
[09:12] <uhriventis> Alt-f2 is run command
[09:12] <flaccid> i do hope you are using a console emulator in the kde session and not a tty shell..
[09:12] <flaccid> yes
[09:12] <flaccid> or you can pastebin cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:13] <uhriventis> lookin now
[09:13] <flaccid> k
[09:15] <uhriventis> Dolfin keeps closing
[09:15] <flaccid> k
[09:15] <uhriventis> I don't know why
[09:15] <uhriventis> Let me see if I can get around it
[09:16] <flaccid> use konqueror
[09:16] <uhriventis> Nope
[09:16] <uhriventis> It' closes
[09:16] <uhriventis> Aight
[09:16] <flaccid> or firefox
[09:16] <flaccid> or opera
[09:16] <uhriventis> Okay
[09:16] <uhriventis> Got it
[09:16] <uhriventis> What's the paste link again?
[09:17] <flaccid> !pastebin > uhriventis
[09:17] <uhriventis> Got it
[09:17] <uhriventis> I uninstalled Konqueror I hated it
[09:18] <flaccid> fair enough
[09:18] <uhriventis> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12002/
[09:19] <uhriventis> Couldn't control+enter it
[09:19] <flaccid> that doesn't seem right
[09:19] <flaccid> i'll do what i think is right
[09:19] <flaccid> just confirm your dpkg -l | grep fglrx please
[09:20] <uhriventis> So I use the command dpkg -l | grep fglrx?
[09:20] <eagles0513875> uhriventis: i have nto forgotten bout my website after tomorrow goign to spend a decent amount of time working on it
[09:20] <eagles0513875> later guys
[09:20] <flaccid> uhriventis: yes
[09:20] <uhriventis> coo
[09:20] <uhriventis> eagle
[09:21] <uhriventis> uhriventis@uhriventis-desktop:~$ dpkg -l | grep fglrx
[09:21] <uhriventis> ii  xorg-driver-fglrx                          1:7.1.0-8-3+2.6.24.12-16.34                 Video driver for ATI graphics accelerators
[09:22] <uhriventis> I have it bookmarked
[09:22] <uhriventis> eagle
[09:22] <uhriventis> Flaccid what do you think?
[09:22] <flaccid> uhriventis: lspci | grep -i vga please
[09:22] <flaccid> im making it atm
[09:22] <uhriventis> Alright
[09:23] <flaccid> brb toileee
[09:23] <uhriventis> uhriventis@uhriventis-desktop:~$ lspci | grep -l vga
[09:23] <uhriventis> uhriventis@uhriventis-desktop:~$
[09:23] <uhriventis> Thats what came up
[09:23] <uhriventis> oopps
[09:24] <uhriventis> I did -l not -i
[09:24] <uhriventis> Let me try again
[09:24] <uhriventis> uhriventis@uhriventis-desktop:~$ lspci | grep -i vga
[09:24] <uhriventis> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01)
[09:24] <uhriventis> 02:09.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO] (rev 01)
[09:24] <uhriventis> uhriventis@uhriventis-desktop:~
[09:24] <uhriventis> Says 9200 I'm 250
[09:25] <flaccid> ok
[09:25] <uhriventis> Suppose it's the same though?
[09:25] <flaccid> similar
[09:25] <flaccid> same driver
[09:25] <flaccid> one sec
[09:25] <uhriventis> Okay
[09:27] <uhriventis> .
[09:28] <uhriventis> Changed the color of text here just testing
[09:28] <uhriventis> Using green text and black background
[09:28] <flaccid> thats on the client-side uhriventis
[09:29] <uhriventis> Ahh
[09:29] <flaccid> uhriventis: sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup
[09:29] <uhriventis> Kay
[09:29] <uhriventis> Okay
[09:29] <flaccid> uhriventis: can you please overwrite your /etc/X11/xorg.conf with this one: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12004/
[09:30] <flaccid> then after that you need to logout, then from kdm login screen menu select restart X
[09:30] <uhriventis> uhriventis@uhriventis-desktop:~$ sudo cp /etc/x11/xorg.conf /etc/x11/xorg.conf.backup
[09:30] <uhriventis> [sudo] password for uhriventis:
[09:30] <uhriventis> Sorry, try again.
[09:30] <uhriventis> [sudo] password for uhriventis:
[09:30] <uhriventis> cp: cannot stat `/etc/x11/xorg.conf': No such file or directory
[09:30] <uhriventis> How do I do that
[09:30] <flaccid> typo
[09:30] <flaccid> its  sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/x11/xorg.conf.backup
[09:30] <flaccid> oops
[09:30] <flaccid> its  sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup
[09:31] <flaccid> sorry.
[09:31] <uhriventis> np
[09:31] <uhriventis> uhriventis@uhriventis-desktop:~$ sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/x11/xorg.conf.backup
[09:31] <uhriventis> cp: cannot create regular file `/etc/x11/xorg.conf.backup': No such file or directory
[09:32] <flaccid> [18:31] <flaccid> its  sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup
[09:32] <flaccid> sorry
[09:33] <uhriventis> uhriventis@uhriventis-desktop:~$ sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup
[09:33] <uhriventis> uhriventis@uhriventis-desktop:~$
[09:33] <uhriventis> That's all I gewt
[09:33] <flaccid> you may need 1 more pkg, one sec
[09:34] <uhriventis> Kay
[09:34] <flaccid> Jucato: what was the composite how to link?
[09:35] <uhriventis> Flaccid where are yo?
[09:35] <uhriventis> u
[09:35] <flaccid> sydney, australia
[09:35] <Jucato> flaccid: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/workspace/kwin/COMPOSITE_HOWTO?view=markup
[09:36] <uhriventis> You know I collect spiders... And well the one I want the most is the Sydney Funnel Web
[09:36] <uhriventis> Deadliest
[09:36] <flaccid> thanks mate
[09:36] <flaccid> hehe i wish i could provide  one
[09:37] <uhriventis> I wish you could send me one without putting your life in danger and without killing it
[09:37] <uhriventis> Want to make em native here... But thats illiegal
[09:37] <flaccid> Jucato: whats that ati aiglx xserver package?
[09:37] <flaccid> introduction is bad uhriventis
[09:37] <uhriventis> I want to visit australia just for the spiders
[09:37] <Jucato> flaccid: don't know... sorry
[09:37] <flaccid> no worries
[09:37] <uhriventis> What flaccid?
[09:38] <flaccid> uhriventis: in your xorg.conf, can you just comment the last 4 lines with a # ?
[09:38] <uhriventis> Let me see
[09:38] <uhriventis> What's the 'link' to xorg?
[09:38] <flaccid> eg. #Section "ServerFlags"
[09:38] <uhriventis> The file link
[09:39] <uhriventis> So I can type it in in firefox
[09:39] <flaccid> like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12006/
[09:39] <uhriventis> Is there any horror stories of the Funnel web there?
[09:39] <uhriventis> Loadingnow
[09:39] <flaccid> uhriventis: not really. its not a common specimen. its rare in terms of bites
[09:40] <uhriventis> Or the Jack Jumper ant or bulldog ant
[09:40] <flaccid> nah its not like the movies over here.. unless you want to find it
[09:40] <flaccid> urbanised areas..
[09:41] <uhriventis> I didn't find a ss # on mine
[09:41] <flaccid> what do you mean
[09:41] <uhriventis> I heard the SFW spider is in the upper part of yer city
[09:41] <flaccid> please replace your xorg.conf with the one i pasted please
[09:42] <uhriventis> How do I do that
[09:42] <flaccid> on the other side of the river
[09:42] <flaccid> uhriventis: kdesudo /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:42] <uhriventis> The higher elevation
[09:42] <uhriventis> Alright
[09:42] <flaccid> north sydney
[09:42] <uhriventis> uhriventis@uhriventis-desktop:~$ kdesudo /etc/x11.xorg.conf
[09:42] <uhriventis> No protocol specified
[09:42] <uhriventis> kdesudo: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[09:43] <uhriventis> The "rich" area?
[09:43] <flaccid> uhriventis: do it in alt+f2
[09:43] <uhriventis> Alt f2 gives me the run command
[09:43] <flaccid> uhriventis: well NS itself yes but beyond there where more nature is, not necessarily
[09:43] <uhriventis> What do I type in
[09:43] <flaccid>  kdesudo /etc/x11.xorg.conf
[09:44] <Jucato> you forgot "kate"
[09:44] <flaccid> omg yes i did
[09:44] <flaccid> my bad
[09:44] <uhriventis> so kdesudo kate blah blah balh?
[09:44] <o0Chris0o> weird, just had ccsm freeze up on me..can't close the window
[09:44] <flaccid> kdesudo kdate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:44] <uhriventis> You have no idea how much I want to come in contact with yoru SFW
[09:44] <flaccid> uhriventis: guess how many times i have?
[09:45] <uhriventis> uhriventis@uhriventis-desktop:~$ kdesudo kdate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:45] <uhriventis> No protocol specified
[09:45] <uhriventis> kdesudo: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[09:45] <uhriventis> I don't know man
[09:45] <uhriventis> But I know I want to
[09:45] <flaccid> uhriventis: ffrom alt+f2
[09:45] <uhriventis> Ohhh hOkay
[09:45] <flaccid> Jucato: weird how uhriventis can't do it from a console emulator
[09:45] <uhriventis> Clicked run and it dissapeard
[09:46] <uhriventis> Well, when I start my computer I have to use the startx command to get to desktop am I broken?
[09:46] <flaccid> uhriventis: goto konsole and do sudo passwd root and set a passord
[09:46] <job_> uhriventis: maybe try export DISPLAY=:0
[09:46] <flaccid> uhriventis: you have seemed broken from the start
[09:46] <flaccid> but you claim otherwise..
[09:47] <uhriventis> It never used to do this
[09:47] <uhriventis> It started today
[09:47] <flaccid> ok
[09:47] <uhriventis> with the startx thing
[09:47] <flaccid> you never mentioned that until now.
[09:47] <uhriventis> After I uninstalled kde4 I think
[09:47] <flaccid> yet you complain a lot
[09:47] <flaccid> which could be your fault
[09:47] <uhriventis> I did in the heat of battle I suppose
[09:47] <flaccid> haha
[09:48] <flaccid> somehow thats linux' fault :)
[09:48] <uhriventis> I think we were to caught up in crap to see
[09:48] <uhriventis> Well
[09:48] <uhriventis> I uninstalled a program and it did this?
[09:48] <flaccid> what is a program
[09:48] <uhriventis> I don't know how that could be my fault
[09:48] <flaccid> kde4 is more than 1 program
[09:48] <uhriventis> KDE4
[09:48] <uhriventis> Well
[09:48] <uhriventis> Desktop enviroment
[09:49] <uhriventis> I followed instructions given by google
[09:49] <flaccid> well if you don't know about, how would you know if it was your fault or not?
[09:49] <flaccid> google doesn't support kubuntu uhriventis
[09:49] <flaccid> so how did you go on the xorg.conf
[09:49] <uhriventis> Well, I didn't know that. But, I don't think It's my fault. I followed ubuntu directions which (so I'm told) is the same as kubuntu but with kde
[09:50] <uhriventis> Your commands is the first time I went on xorg
[09:50] <flaccid> uhriventis: please provide a URL for these 'directions'
[09:50] <Pennycook> uhriventis: Is it possible you uninstalled KDE4 and didn't install KDE3 or GNOME? If you can't get a Desktop, maybe you don't have one...
[09:50] <uhriventis> I uninstalled kubuntu with sudo apt-get remove kde5
[09:50] <uhriventis> 4
[09:50] <uhriventis> Okay
[09:50] <uhriventis> Let me find em
[09:50] <flaccid> uhriventis: the driver is installe, you just need to replace xorg.conf with what i pasted...
[09:50] <flaccid> !info kde4
[09:51] <flaccid> thats not the whole of kde4
[09:51] <uhriventis> When it unistalled it said 300 mb. About! Not exactly 300 mb. Like 360 or something
[09:52] <flaccid> if you can get your /etc/X11/xorg.conf replaced with http://paste.ubuntu.com/12006/ then a reboot then it should work.
[09:52] <uhriventis> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=666568&highlight=remove+kde4
[09:52] <flaccid> 300mb about what. that can be about quite a few diff things
[09:52] <uhriventis> That is what I followed
[09:52] <uhriventis> How do I replace
[09:52] <uhriventis> KDE4
[09:52] <flaccid> huh
[09:52] <uhriventis> Is what it said it would free
[09:52] <uhriventis> When I removed it
[09:52] <uhriventis> How do I replace my xorg
[09:52] <flaccid> that forum post is wrong.
[09:53] <uhriventis> Witht that
[09:53] <job_> sudo dexconf should also work, and is easier
[09:53] <flaccid> uhriventis: kdesudo /etc/X11/xorg conf
[09:53] <uhriventis> Well, I'm a little ignorant on linux
[09:53] <job_> to replace xorg.conf with original
[09:53] <flaccid> uhriventis: or sudo pico /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:53] <uhriventis> uhriventis@uhriventis-desktop:~$ kdesudo /etc/x11.xorg.conf
[09:53] <uhriventis> No protocol specified
[09:53] <uhriventis> kdesudo: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[09:53] <flaccid> job_: this is not from deb conf data!
[09:54] <flaccid> uhriventis: you broke your install it seems
[09:54] <job_> ok sorry about that:)
[09:54] <flaccid> try pico
[09:54] <uhriventis> Waot
[09:54] <flaccid> [18:53] <flaccid> uhriventis: or sudo pico /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:54] <uhriventis> With the pico I got i weird thing up
[09:54] <uhriventis> Let me paste it
[09:54] <uhriventis> Walk me through it
[09:54] <Pennycook> uhriventis: Forgive me if I'm being ignorant, but what were you running before you removed KDE4? Did you install KDE4, or was it installed on your Kubuntu by default?
[09:55] <flaccid> at this point uhriventis seeems like you broke it. but feel free to continue.
[09:55] <uhriventis> No I installed it
[09:55] <uhriventis> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12010/
[09:55] <uhriventis> Should I reinstall?
[09:56] <flaccid> uhriventis: thats correct. you just need to know how to use pico...
[09:56] <uhriventis> First time I've seen the command
[09:56] <flaccid> uhriventis: can you save the pastebin in your home folder and let me know the path to it?
[09:56] <flaccid> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12006/
[09:56] <uhriventis> Loading up my home folder
[09:56] <flaccid> save that to ~/something.txt or something
[09:57] <uhriventis> Errrrr dolphin keeps closing
[09:57] <uhriventis> Same with firefox
[09:57] <flaccid> sounds like a borked install to me which is what i suspected from beginning, but continue..
[09:57] <uhriventis> How do I continue when nothing will open?
[09:58] <flaccid> [18:57] <flaccid> save that to ~/something.txt or something
[09:58] <uhriventis> I have the kubuntu 7.10 cd here shoudl I reinstall then log back on
[09:58] <flaccid> you run kate normally then you save it
[09:58] <flaccid> uhriventis: no
[09:58] <uhriventis> Okay opening kate now
[09:58] <uhriventis> Kate won't open
[09:59] <flaccid> better hurry because i need to buy another 6pack of beer :)
[09:59] <flaccid> why?
[09:59] <uhriventis> Gives me the loading sign then nothing happens
[09:59] <uhriventis> I don't know
[09:59] <flaccid> goto konsole
[09:59] <flaccid> and type kate
[09:59] <uhriventis> Thats what all my programs have been doi g
[09:59] <flaccid> what does it say
[09:59] <uhriventis> Get you a 6 pack foo
[09:59] <uhriventis> It's more important
[09:59] <flaccid> um
[09:59] <flaccid> you stuffed your install.
[09:59] <uhriventis> uhriventis@uhriventis-desktop:~$ kate
[09:59] <uhriventis> No protocol specified
[09:59] <uhriventis> kate: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[10:00] <flaccid> probably no point me wasting time on it
[10:00] <uhriventis> So reinstall?
[10:00] <flaccid> wait!
[10:00] <flaccid> uhriventis: goto the menu and run kate from there!
[10:00] <flaccid> i ddidn't ask for cli
[10:00] <uhriventis> Nothing happens. I shows that it's loading then dissapears from the task bar
[10:01] <uhriventis> I under one sec
[10:01] <uhriventis> in
[10:01] <job_> isn't X normally running on :0? so try export DISPLAY=:0 please
[10:01] <uhriventis> How do I do that job
[10:01] <job_> just type  export DISPLAY=:0
[10:02] <uhriventis> uhriventis@uhriventis-desktop:~$ export DISPLAY=:0
[10:02] <uhriventis> uhriventis@uhriventis-desktop:~$
[10:02] <uhriventis> All I get
[10:02] <job_> jep and run kate again
[10:02] <uhriventis> What do you mean? I'm new... What's the exact command
[10:02] <job_> kate
[10:02] <uhriventis> So just type kate?
[10:02] <job_> yep
[10:02] <flaccid> yep
[10:03] <uhriventis> uhriventis@uhriventis-desktop:~$ kate
[10:03] <uhriventis> No protocol specified
[10:03] <uhriventis> kate: cannot connect to X server :0
[10:03] <flaccid> uhriventis: and when you run it from the kmenu, same thing?
[10:03] <flaccid> or nothing basically.. ?
[10:03] <uhriventis> Basically, it will act like it's starting and under a second it closes
[10:03] <uhriventis> Nothing
[10:03] <flaccid> reinstall.
[10:04] <flaccid> who knows what you did..
[10:04] <uhriventis> All I did was
[10:04] <job_> you are not logged in as root right?
[10:04] <uhriventis> sudo apt-get remove kde4 really
[10:04] <uhriventis> I'm logged as uhriventis so no
[10:05] <uhriventis> I can tell you any command that I did before this happened
[10:05] <uhriventis> ANd that is the major on
[10:05] <uhriventis> e
[10:05] <flaccid> thats not the right way to remove kde4 but anwyay
[10:05] <flaccid> you report problems with all your apps...
[10:05] <uhriventis> Well, I didn't know that
[10:05] <uhriventis> Pretty much
[10:05] <uhriventis> Games will load
[10:05] <flaccid> a forum is just a forum
[10:05] <flaccid> but we still don't actually know what broke it
[10:05] <uhriventis> I figured it would be right... Being ubuntu official forum... SOrry
[10:06] <flaccid> depending on which games they are use the UI differently
[10:06] <flaccid> uhriventis: official forum is just normal users, its just hosted officialy
[10:06] <uhriventis> Like all the chess games IBREAKOUT2 and super tux
[10:06] <flaccid> the advise is from any person
[10:06] <uhriventis> I didn't know
[10:07] <uhriventis> Their bad not mine. I'm just a newbie
[10:07] <flaccid> uhriventis: so when you goto alt+f2 and type kate, what happens,nothing?
[10:07] <uhriventis> I figured I got just info
[10:07] <flaccid> uhriventis: i agree. this is a free os for you..
[10:07] <flaccid> well what a creditable source is, is a neverending debate in this world
[10:07] <uhriventis> I'd rather have this then xp
[10:07] <uhriventis> Now
[10:07] <uhriventis> About kate
[10:08] <uhriventis> I get an error I can't open
[10:08] <flaccid> well your system is not working, so i;d rather a c64
[10:08] <uhriventis> I just see in my task bar X Sorry - KDestop
[10:08] <uhriventis> And it ends
[10:08] <flaccid> reinstall
[10:08] <job_> could it be you are running the kde4 version of kate (don't think so as that should be named kate-kde4)
[10:08] <uhriventis> I will do that and be back
[10:08] <flaccid> or google and check !bugs but i doubt that will help you in the short term
[10:08] <uhriventis> It's not named that
[10:08] <job_> what is the output of kate --version?
[10:09] <uhriventis> Let me reiinstall and I'll be back. it only takes like ten mins on m system
[10:09] <uhriventis> Let me see
[10:09] <uhriventis> hriventis@uhriventis-desktop:~$ kate --version
[10:09] <uhriventis> Qt: 3.3.8b
[10:09] <uhriventis> KDE: 3.5.9
[10:09] <uhriventis> Kate: 2.5.9
[10:09] <flaccid> 2.5.9 ? wtf
[10:09] <job_> thats normal
[10:09] <uhriventis> ??
[10:09] <flaccid> rghtio
[10:09] <job_> same here
[10:10] <uhriventis> So reinstall come back?
[10:10] <flaccid> its not normal for me
[10:10] <job_> what'd your version than?
[10:10] <flaccid> ii  kate                                       4:3.5.9-0ubuntu7.2
[10:10] <uhriventis> Should I try upgrading?
[10:11] <uhriventis> uhriventis@uhriventis-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install kate
[10:11] <uhriventis> [sudo] password for uhriventis:
[10:11] <uhriventis> Reading package lists... Done
[10:11] <uhriventis> Building dependency tree
[10:11] <uhriventis> Reading state information... Done
[10:11] <uhriventis> kate is already the newest version.
[10:11] <uhriventis> Reading state information... Done
[10:11] <uhriventis> kate is already the newest version.
[10:11] <flaccid> job_: nah you are right
[10:11] <o0Chris0o> how do I add compiz to kubuntu startup list?
[10:11] <uhriventis> Reading state information... Done
[10:11] <uhriventis> kate is already the newest version.
[10:11] <uhriventis> ..
[10:11] <flaccid> uhriventis: don't flood!
[10:11] <uhriventis> Hmm
[10:11] <job_> no 2..5.9 is the official kate version for kde 3.5.9, strange i know
[10:11] <uhriventis> Lag
[10:11] <flaccid> reinstall and come back
[10:12] <uhriventis> Lag
[10:12] <uhriventis> ...
[10:16] <job_> does anybody have problems with kmix not showing an OSD in hardy?
[10:28] <flaccid> job_: it shows an osd?
[10:28] <juraj> hello world
[10:28] <Jucato> job_: check if you have kmilo installed and running
[10:29] <flaccid> !info kmilo
[10:29] <flaccid> hmm
[10:29] <Jucato> flaccid: it's the one responsible for volume osd
[10:29] <flaccid> how do i do the osd?
[10:30] <Jucato> laptop only I think
[10:30] <flaccid> ah ok
[10:30] <flaccid> don't think i've ever seen it
[10:30] <flaccid> including laptop
[10:30] <Jucato> me too :)
[10:31] <flaccid> dang
[10:39] <job_> sorry i was away
[10:39] <job_> i checked kmilo already and it isn't the problem since my multimedia buttons are working, it's just the osd
[10:40] <flaccid> i never knew one existed for kmix
[10:40] <flaccid> never seen it but it would be nice
[10:41] <job_> in gutsy it showed a bar when in/decreasing the volume and a speaker with a red line when muting
[10:41] <flaccid> ok
[10:41] <Jucato> the osd is done by kmilo
[10:41] <job_> seems you have had the problem before hardy:)
[10:41] <Jucato> not kmix
[10:42] <job_> ok, so what can i do to check if kmilo is working correctly?
[10:43] <job_> it says kmilo is running in the service manager in kcontrol
[10:43] <Jucato> hm...
[10:45] <flaccid> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuLaptopButtons
[10:46] <flaccid> are you on hardy, job_?
[10:46] <job_> ok my XF86Music is working so kmilo is doing something
[10:46] <job_> yes i am (sorry can't send private messages)
[10:47] <flaccid> are you using hotkeys/tried hotkeys?
[10:47] <flaccid> what release are you on
[10:47] <job_> what are hotkeys?
[10:47] <job_> hardy
[10:48] <flaccid> job_: please see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeutils/+bug/218477
[10:49] <job_> ok i will try that
[10:51] <job_> no change after deleting that file and restarting kmilo, think i'll have to wait for the bug to get fixed
[10:51] <job_> thanks anyway!
[10:51] <flaccid> yeah i would suggest commenting if you have more info to contrib
[10:51] <flaccid> nw
[10:51] <job_> don't really have more info i'm afraid:)
[10:51] <flaccid> aww dang nw
[10:53] <prateek> i need to type
[10:53] <prateek> sudo dhclient eth0
[10:53] <prateek> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[10:53] <flaccid> ok then why..
[10:53] <prateek> whenever i boot up to start internet
[10:54] <prateek> i type these twice/thrice..only then net gets going
[10:54] <flaccid> what are you trying to achieve?
[10:56] <prateek> well...i need to type these commands to start internet..even when my modem is ON and connected is shown in Kubuntu. How can i skip this and make internet start automatically
[10:56] <flaccid> correct configuration most likely
[10:56] <flaccid> why do you need to issue these commands?
[10:57] <prateek> i dont know..one day my internet stopped working..so i asked a guy and he told me to type these
[10:58] <flaccid> right
[10:58] <prateek> but its too tedious to type these 	everytime
[10:58] <flaccid> prateek: which release and kde version please?
[10:58] <prateek> 7.10...KDE..i donno
[10:58] <flaccid> np
[10:58] <flaccid> please pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces also is your LAN running dhcp ?
[11:00] <prateek> ok
[11:00] <prateek> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12023/
[11:01] <flaccid> you are running a wired connection with dhcp?
[11:01] <prateek> yes..
[11:01] <prateek> 	perhaps..i donno DHCP
[11:01] <prateek> i have DSL MODEM
[11:02] <prateek> broadband 256 KBPS...and its connected to LAN not USB
[11:02] <flaccid> what is the dsl modem connected to
[11:02] <flaccid> what is it plugged into
[11:03] <prateek> LAN..
[11:03] <prateek> i mean behind PC..
[11:03] <eyemon> hiiiiiiiii
[11:03] <flaccid> what device is the modem plugge into. what is your gateway and dns addresses?
[11:04] <eyemon> i'm very new to this oks
[11:04] <eyemon> hellllllllllllllllooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[11:04] <flaccid> hi
[11:04] <prateek> see it shows..Device: No active device
[11:05] <flaccid> what does
[11:05] <flaccid> probably need to answer all my questions to help
[11:05] <eyemon> helpppppppppppp
[11:05] <prateek> aaa.
[11:05] <prateek> iactually i dont know
[11:05] <flaccid> eyemon: simply ask what you need help with specifically
[11:06] <eyemon> ok
[11:06] <eyemon> hehhe
[11:06] <eyemon> i thought no one saw my messages
[11:06] <eyemon> hehhe
[11:06] <flaccid> over 300 people saw your message :)
[11:06] <eyemon> thought i was having a prob with myu connection
[11:06] <flaccid> !enter | eyemon
[11:08] <prateek> flaccid: 192.168.1.4
[11:08] <prateek> 192.168.1.1Default gateway
[11:09] <prateek> Static Hosts: 127.0.0.1 LocalHost
[11:09] <prateek> !enter | eyemon
[11:09] <prateek> !enter | eyemon
[11:09] <prateek> flaccid?
[11:09] <prateek> u present in vicinity??
[11:10] <prateek> flaaaaaaaaaaaacccid?
[11:10] <prateek> 	how do i scram here!
[11:10] <prateek> scream
[11:10] <prateek> has anybody seen flaccid for the last 20-30 secs
[11:12] <_job__> prateek: i don't know a real solution to your problem, but i would suggest placing the commands you have to type in a script an putting that script in ~/.kde/Autostart
[11:13] <prateek> ya thats cool
[11:13] <prateek> how can i do that?
[11:14] <prateek> text file?
[11:14] <flaccid> brb
[11:14] <flaccid> i will help you when back prateek
[11:14] <_job__> yep, start that file with #!/bin/bash and place every command on a new line, then make this file executable with chmod a+x filename
[11:15] <prateek> ok
[11:16] <_job__> good luck prateek, i'll be gone now
[11:16] <_job__> cheers!
[11:16] <prateek> Thanks
[11:16] <prateek> Cheers
[11:16] <prateek> bye
[11:16] <prateek> flaccid: a 	brb	 thats too late
[11:17] <flaccid> why is it too late
[11:18] <goshawk> hi
[11:18] <prateek> flaccid: well..just jokin..got a simple solution
[11:18] <goshawk> is there a kde-lke program to record my desktop session?
[11:18] <flaccid> prateek: please pastebin /etc/resolv.conf
[11:19] <prateek> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12028/plain/
[11:20] <prateek> flaccid: also please please tell me how can i become a registered user here. I am still unable to send private msg. Isnt der any place where i can register?
[11:21] <prateek> Also i am unable to change my Nick
[11:21] <flaccid> prateek: change your /etc/network/interfaces to this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12025/ then do a sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart; killall knetworkmanager; knetworkmanager 7
[11:21] <flaccid> !register | prateek
[11:22] <flaccid>  prateek: change your /etc/network/interfaces to this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12025/ then do a sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart; killall knetworkmanager; knetworkmanager &
[11:22] <flaccid> correction ^
[11:22] <prateek> k
[11:22] <chalcedony> what's a command to list zipped directories ?
[11:24] <prateek> inte
[11:25] <prateek> Hey!
[11:25] <prateek> flaccid: i had interent gone when i typed this
[11:25] <flaccid> hooray
[11:34] <ActionParsnip> lo all
[11:34] <chalcedony> hi ActionParsnip
[11:34] <chalcedony> i like your nick
[11:34] <ActionParsnip> its a harry hill joke :D
[11:34] <ActionParsnip> thanks chalcedony
[11:34] <chalcedony> :)
[11:35] <ActionParsnip> just taking 5 from fighting servers to see whats going down in here
[11:35] <chalcedony> oh?
[11:35] <chalcedony> i'm tired but frustrated .. i rebooted last night and now don't have sound/
[11:36] <ActionParsnip> yeah dhcp just failed massively and took out a whole bunch of servers
[11:36] <chalcedony> :((
[11:36] <ActionParsnip> like 200
[11:36] <chalcedony> ouch!!!!
[11:36] <ActionParsnip> ya
[11:36] <chalcedony> what will you do?
[11:36] <ActionParsnip> my team is working on it now so i gotta sit and wait
[11:36] <chalcedony> ahh
[11:36] <ActionParsnip> no idea why servers are on dhcp but anyways....
[11:37] <chalcedony> :)
[11:37] <ActionParsnip> what sound card do you have and can we has lspci output please
[11:37] <chalcedony> if you can tell me the commands i can do them to tell you
[11:37] <ActionParsnip> lspci
[11:37] <chalcedony> <--- mom of absetn linux kid
[11:37] <chalcedony> absent even
[11:38] <chalcedony> 00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. K8T800Pro Host Bridge
[11:38] <chalcedony> ?
[11:38] <chalcedony> it brings up more stuff
[11:38] <ActionParsnip> yeah if you use pastebin
[11:38] <ActionParsnip> !paste | chalcedony
[11:38] <ActionParsnip> and give us the url, we can see the lot
[11:39] <chalcedony> ahh
[11:39] <chalcedony> ok
[11:40] <chalcedony> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12029/ ActionParsnip
[11:40] <chalcedony> i'm impressed with the tiny url built in
[11:41] <ActionParsnip> chalcedony: savesflood
[11:41] <ActionParsnip> !flood | chalcedony
[11:41] <chalcedony> indeed
[11:41] <ActionParsnip> Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60)
[11:41] <chalcedony> i thought so
[11:42] <ActionParsnip> can we have pastebin of: sudo lsmod |grep via
[11:42] <chalcedony> k
[11:43] <ActionParsnip> chalcedony: this may help, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=507505&highlight=gateway+mx3215
[11:44] <ActionParsnip> chalcedony: scroll about 30% down to Turning On The Sound
[11:44] <chalcedony> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12032/ ActionParsnip
[11:47] <ActionParsnip> stupid pidgin
[11:47] <chalcedony> wb ActionParsnip :))
[11:47] <ActionParsnip> cheers
[11:47] <ActionParsnip> any luck with that link i gave you?
[11:47] <chalcedony> i'm just reading the sound part of it
[11:48] <chalcedony> i reopened alsa when i rebooted.. just it's not working
[11:49] <chalcedony> let's also say that clicking on the speakers brings up the controls for the sb live card :)
[11:50] <ActionParsnip> oh you have sb live?
[11:50] <ActionParsnip> as well as onboard sound?
[11:50] <chalcedony> yes
[11:50] <chalcedony> was pretty sure
[11:50] <chalcedony> this used to be my son's computer
[11:51] <weaseal> What is the correct method for switching from kde3 to kde4 on kubuntu 8.04?
[11:51] <ActionParsnip> it could be cased by the fact you have 2 sound cards
[11:51] <ActionParsnip> id go into the bios and disable the onboard
[11:51] <chalcedony> yesterday it worked, today it does not
[11:51] <ActionParsnip> you may find the onboard works but the sb live will be better
[11:51] <chalcedony> surely
[11:52] <ActionParsnip> id disable the onboard sound in bios then see what you get
[11:52] <chalcedony> i don't know how to do it
[11:53] <chalcedony> "I am new to Ubuntu [currently using 7.10] .... i wanted to second what aled said. disabling the onboard sound in BIOS will affect windows but not Ubuntu. ..."
[11:54] <weaseal> Nobody knows the proper way to upgrade to kde4?
[11:55] <chalcedony> weaseal: not sure who is here that is actively helping
[11:55] <chalcedony> we can try google
[11:55] <ActionParsnip> weaseal: http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php
[11:56] <chalcedony> ActionParsnip: found what you said to do .. and agrees with you.. but does not say how
[11:56] <ActionParsnip> chalcedony: disabling it in bios will affect both as it is not enabled when yu pc turns on, regardless of OS
[11:56] <ActionParsnip> chalcedony: reboot your pc, when it says press <whatever key> to enter setup. hit it
[11:57] <ActionParsnip> BIOS are massively different so you'll have to snoop round til you see onboard sound or onboard ac'97 and disable it
[11:57] <weaseal> ActionParsnip, the link you sent is for running kde3 and kde4 simultaneously
[11:57] <weaseal> I only want kde4
[11:57] <ActionParsnip> weaseal: be warned, not all kde apps are kde4 compliant yet so you wil have kde3.5 as well as kde4
[11:57] <Pennycook> weaseal: If you only want KDE4, install from the KDE4 Remix CD
[11:58] <weaseal> So I have to download the CD to install it?
[11:58] <chalcedony> ActionParsnip: rebooting 1x every month or two i can stand
[11:58] <chalcedony> are there any fixes that don't involve rebooting?
[11:59] <Pennycook> No, you can do as ActionParsnip said and install KDE4 alongside KDE3 (then remove KDE3) I suppose, but I'm not sure how well removing KDE3 would go.
[11:59] <weaseal> Ok
[12:02] <norman_x> hi there.
[12:02] <ActionParsnip> weaseal: if you uninstall kde3 you will lose a lot of apps as they dont use kde4 yet
[12:03] <ActionParsnip> you will need to run both
[12:03] <ActionParsnip> hi norman_x
[12:03] <ActionParsnip> !hi | norman_x
[12:03] <norman_x> how can I save a program, so that it not become updated? I run Kubuntu 8.04 - and sorry for my bad English
[12:06] <ActionParsnip> norman_x: apps are updated to provide better speed, security and to add features
[12:06] <ActionParsnip> norman_x: why dont you want it updating
[12:07] <norman_x> ActionParsnip: I have skype installed, the file is directly from skype server and installed with dkpg - i  Medibuntu repo wants to update it, but this failes. Therefore I want to save that installed skype from becoming updated
[12:07] <weaseal> What is the command with dpkg or apt-get to print all installed packages?
[12:08]  * weaseal is used to FreeBSD's pkg_info cmd :/
[12:09] <ActionParsnip> weaseal: dpkg --get-selections
[12:10] <ActionParsnip> weaseal:  i'd grep it or less it otherwise its gonna be unusable info
[12:12] <ct529> hi there! I cannot find the GDL (GNU Data Language in the repository). Anyone who knows where it is?
[12:13] <weaseal> yea grep for sure
[12:13] <weaseal> thanks
[12:14] <ActionParsnip> !gdl
[12:14] <ActionParsnip> !data language
[12:14] <ActionParsnip> !datalanguage
[12:14] <weaseal> Is thee a wildcard character I can use for dpkg or apt-get?
[12:14] <weaseal> I tried *kde* for purging but it tries to actually use the stars...
[12:16] <ActionParsnip> weaseal: no as its protecting you
[12:18] <weaseal> ActionParsnip, I don't want it to protect me :P
[12:19] <weaseal> Surely there must be a way to throw a wildcard in there
[12:19] <weaseal> I have xfce to fall back on and years of unix experience, I'm not gonna break-break it, just a li'l bit ;)
[12:19] <ActionParsnip> if you use adept you can search for kde then choose the apps to remove
[12:20] <ActionParsnip> or you could grep your installed apps and apt-get remove them as they are found ;)
[12:20]  * ActionParsnip hands weaseal a pipe or 2
[12:21] <ct529> they actually stored it under gnudatalanguage
[12:21] <ct529> !gnudatatlanguage
[12:21] <ct529> !gnudatalanguage
[12:21] <weaseal> That stinks, there's gotta be a faster way
[12:22] <TonyJO> hello
[12:24] <weaseal> Lol, ctrl+a , purge in adept just crashes it
[12:30] <ActionParsnip> !sudogui
[12:31] <ActionParsnip> anyone know the factoid for running gui appswith sudo and why not
[12:31] <Dr_willis> kdesu
[12:31] <Dr_willis> !sudo
[12:31] <Dr_willis> !kdesu
[12:31] <Dr_willis> or use 'sux' :)
[12:31] <Pici> sux?
[12:33] <Dr_willis> !info sux
[12:33] <Dr_willis> sux is old-skool. :)
[12:33] <ActionParsnip> cheers Dr_willis
[12:37] <McRib> How do I install a package from hardy-proposed?  Apt is still wanting to install the older package (I've run apt-get update already)
[12:39] <ActionParsnip> tried sudo apt-get clean; sudo apt-get update
[12:59] <dbglt> how do I disable sounds (e.g. application maximise, desktop change, etc) in kde4?
[13:03] <tdn> How do I install VMware in Kubuntu?
[13:03] <_Angelus_> why games on my kubuntu are running without music/sound?
[13:04] <Dr_willis> !vmware
[13:21] <massimo> Ciao a tutti
[13:39] <massimo> qualcuno mi aiuta per favore?
[13:40] <ct529> !italian | massimo
[13:41] <weaseal> Can anyone help me figure out why my cd drive won't mount?  Error: http://relnor.com/images/snapshot1.png
[13:41] <grundleborg> yuriy: Riddell suggested I ask you. We are having a KDE Bug Day this weekend, and I thought perhaps there might be some interest among the kubuntu community in helping out?
[13:43] <ct529> anyone who has experience of mounting novell netware disk / directories? I am completely stuck.
[13:53] <ibnpaul> hi, I had a question about device creation for sd cards
[13:53] <ibnpaul> I have a pcmcia card reader
[13:53] <ibnpaul> does anyone have any experience with this?
[13:53] <ibnpaul> the card is recognized by the system, but no device is created for it
[13:53] <Dr_willis> ibnpaul,  built into a laptop? Or is it removeable?
[13:54] <ibnpaul> it is removeable, it's a pcmcia reader
[13:54] <ibnpaul> i believe that the necessary modules are loaded for the reader
[13:54] <Dr_willis> I know that with some Internal Laptop card readers.  Not all of them have linux support for all the cards. I ended up using a USB reader. No idea on pcmcia. I would guess you need to manually load some modules perhaps.
[13:54] <Dr_willis> If its supported at all.
[13:55] <ct529> anyone who has experience of mounting novell netware disk / directories? I am completely stuck.
[13:55] <ibnpaul> dmesg does show that the system recognizes the card when it is inserted
[13:55] <ibnpaul> though
[13:55] <ibnpaul> so I think that the pcmcia reader is not the problem
[13:55] <ibnpaul> look:
[13:55] <Dr_willis> ibnpaul,  but you put in a card - and dmesg dont say anything about the media eh?
[13:55] <ibnpaul> dmesg does say something
[13:56] <ibnpaul> let me show you:
[13:56] <ibnpaul> [ 1324.093601] pccard: PCMCIA card inserted into slot 0
[13:56] <ibnpaul> [ 1324.094957] pcmcia: registering new device pcmcia0.0
[13:56] <ibnpaul> [ 1324.136148] scsi6 : pata_pcmcia
[13:56] <ibnpaul> [ 1324.136225] ata6: PATA max PIO0 cmd 0x100 ctl 0x10e irq 19
[13:56] <ibnpaul> that's where it ends. tho
[13:56] <ibnpaul> no device creation
[13:56] <Dr_willis> You have a SD card in the reader? or some other kind of card?
[13:57] <ibnpaul> mini sd in an adapter, so yes
[13:57] <ibnpaul> i tried an mmc card which did not work at all
[13:57] <ibnpaul> but the sd generates that output
[13:57] <Dr_willis> Hmm. normally sd cards would work.  some of the other fancy cards dont from what ive seen.
[13:57] <ibnpaul> right
[13:58] <Dr_willis> I would have to suggest doing some googling for that exact pcmcia card and linux.  It may be something trivial you need to do.
[13:58] <ibnpaul> yah
[13:58] <ibnpaul> i've been searching for days :)
[13:58] <ibnpaul> i didn't want to go USB as this sits flush with the laptop's side
[13:59] <ibnpaul> i have plently of USB sticks I can use
[13:59] <ibnpaul> :)
[13:59] <ibnpaul> any specific sites that you can suggest?
[13:59] <Dr_willis> Yep. I got a little box of usb-thumb drives and a $5 15 in one media reader.
[13:59] <ibnpaul> :) exactly
[13:59] <ibnpaul> I was just trying to be a bit mroe streamlined
[13:59] <Dr_willis> Not really. theres the ubuntu forums. But It may be its just not supported under any linux.
[14:00] <ibnpaul> well, I'm skeptical that it's the reader
[14:00] <ibnpaul> because the device is recognized by the system
[14:00] <Dr_willis> I got a Logitch Nano wireless mouse. with Uber-micro reader.
[14:00] <ibnpaul> interesting
[14:00] <Dr_willis> ibnpaul,  so is my INTERNAL laptop card reader.. but it can only read SD cards..it cant read MMC or anything else.
[14:00] <ibnpaul> hmm
[14:00] <Dr_willis> so the current state of these  card readers (othe then usb) is a bit of a gamble under linux
[14:00] <ibnpaul> maybe..
[14:00] <ibnpaul> right
[14:00] <ibnpaul> well
[14:01] <Dr_willis> My internal reder can only be read by a few distros also. :(
[14:01] <ibnpaul> the closest thing that I found was that recompiling the kernel in some way can help
[14:01] <ibnpaul> right
[14:01] <ibnpaul> but I'm not sure if I feel that adventurous right now, this is my only working computer atm :P
[14:02] <ibnpaul> I'll keep searching in my free time, hopefully support for these devices will get more robust...
[14:02] <ibnpaul> thanks!
[14:10] <dthacker> ok, I've had to go old school.   How do I read a floppy disk made on a W98 machine?
[14:17] <dthacker> !floppy
[14:21] <STSX> When I make changes to my settings in Konqueror, how can I save them so that Konqueror uses them the next time I load Konqueror up?
[14:21] <dthacker> that's permissions, not mounting....
[14:30] <STSX> For instance, if I change my "view mode" to list instead of icons, how can I get Konqueror to keep the changes?
[14:32] <lovre>  im trying to install windows program under wine. Im getting error, that it needs win xp sp2 to run. Can i somehow install sp2 under wine? Or do i say goodbye to installing this?
[14:34] <STSX> lovre: Probably a better place to ask that is #winehq.  :)
[14:34] <crazy_bus> I have nothing downloading.  But something is taking all my harddrive space really fast (you can watch it sinking lower and lower by the second)  Can anyone help me find out what it is?
[14:35] <lovre> STSX: ok thanx
[14:40] <david_> i need help guys i just install ubuntu my first venture and loiving it
[14:41] <david_> but i trying to install a lamp config but how do i give access to /var/www/html folder keeps comming up access denied
[14:41] <david_> i install php it usually puts a folder into var/www/html does it not or does it work diff for unbuntu
[14:44] <david_> can someone help me out please
[14:44] <hexidigital> david_:  /var/www/ should be your web root. you have to 'sudo' to write to the directory.
[14:44] <david_> i used sudo to install phpmyadmin but the folder not their its in my shared folder
[14:44] <david_> surely it needs to be in wwww
[14:45] <hexidigital> for instance, 'sudo echo "<?php echo \"hello world\"; ?>" >> /var/www/index.php'
[14:46] <david_> i used app-get install to install phpmyadmin but its put it into /usr/share
[14:46] <hexidigital> it won't be
[14:46] <hexidigital> phpmyadmin is a directory, as far as apache is concerned
[14:46] <david_> yes but i goto localhost\phpmyadmin its not their
[14:47] <hexidigital> you mean localhost/phpmyadmin ?
[14:47] <david_> it should install into /var/www/phpmyadmin should it not
[14:47] <david_> yes sorry that the correct syntax i used
[14:47] <hexidigital> david_:  no.  apache uses mod_rewrite to link to it's actual location, iirc
[14:47] <hexidigital> s/link/direct
[14:47] <david_> ah
[14:47] <david_> sorry im from windows u see
[14:48] <david_> but its still not commming up in firefox grr
[14:48] <hexidigital> david_:  do you have php5 and libapache2-php5 installed?
[14:48] <hexidigital> did you restart apache?
[14:48] <david_> i used to windows persmission just save to ur inet pup grrr was so simple
[14:48] <david_> yes and yes
[14:48] <david_> doing my nut in
[14:48] <david_> just im doing a video share porject got ffmpeg and lame and all done
[14:49] <david_> but i cant figure out how to sort out my write permission at least in visual studio u just save ur file thats it
[14:50] <david_> ubt i wanna learn php more
[14:50] <hexidigital> gotta run. be back
[14:56] <lovre> whats is the wine channel again?
[14:56] <lovre> nvm, found it
[15:01] <math> hi, I'm using kde4 (for 2min) and I accidentally deleted my panel. Where can I restore?
[15:02] <Dr_willis> sure it just dident crash?
[15:02] <TimS> math: #kubuntu-kde4
[15:03] <math> TimS: yes kubuntu-kde4
[15:03] <math> oops
[15:03] <math> sorry I'll ask there
[15:03] <TimS> :p
[15:04] <TimS> More likely to get a decent answer :p
[15:06]  * genii makes some coffee
[15:07] <H2OyJaBoN> hi!
[15:11] <STSX> When I make changes in Konqueror, such as viewing by details instead of icons, how do I save my preferences so they will stick the next time I run konqueror?
[15:20] <ct529> what do you use to create graphs on kubuntu?
[15:24] <sneedly> what restricted driver can i use and have 2 screens running at once
[15:25] <BluesKaj> howdy
[15:26] <BluesKaj> !dual heads
[15:26] <BluesKaj> !info dual head
[15:27] <Pici> !dualhead
[15:28] <BluesKaj> right on Pici :)
[15:36] <jose> hola
[15:36] <jose> como estan
[15:37] <Pici> !es | jose
[15:42] <ubuntu> hi all
[15:42] <ubuntu> is kubuntu using pidgin?/
[15:43] <Jucato> no. but you can install it easily if you want
[15:43] <Jucato> kubuntu uses (mostly) KDE/Qt applications, so it uses Kopete instead of Pidgin
[15:52] <gromozekin> hi guyz
[15:52] <gromozekin> i ve trouble =) i have 160gb hdd and it is  crypted
[15:52] <gromozekin> yes
[15:53] <gromozekin> and now i d like to install slackware, and slackware couldnt recognize this partition
[15:53] <gromozekin> what i ought to do?)
[15:56] <spiroo> Just have to comment how beautiful Amarok design are now in the nightly build package ;)
[15:57] <CrashMaster_> amawho now?
[15:58] <spiroo> THE mucic player?
[15:58] <Daisuke_Ido> CrashMaster_: how can you be on kde and not have used amarok?
[15:59] <Daisuke_Ido> just curious :)
[15:59] <sparr_> how do i make multiple opened-from-konqueror documents open in the same kate instance instead of starting a new one every time?  this worked before, and im not sure how i broke it
[15:59] <CrashMaster_> Daisuke_Ido: Shhhh.. havent had coffee yet
[16:00] <CrashMaster_> !amarok
[16:00] <joseph> is it possible to make Dolphin transparent?
[16:00] <CrashMaster_> oh. thats why. not much of a audiophile
[16:00] <Daisuke_Ido> that should be adjusted, 1.4.9.1 is the latest
[16:00] <spiroo> I wondering how much they are going ot polish Amarok2. Still they havent solved the bug when you want to import a whole directory with music or partition.
[16:00] <Daisuke_Ido> crashev: it's the default audio player
[16:00] <spiroo> Joseph: Yes
[16:01] <CrashMaster_> I dont  think Ive had cause yet to open a media player in linux
[16:01] <Daisuke_Ido> pity
[16:02] <nebukan> hey! after i installed kubuntu with wubi my xp stops to boot, after selecting xp my box just reboots, is there a easy fix, that will leave both kubuntu and xp intact&working in the loader?
[16:02] <joseph> spiroo: would you have a link that talks about it?
[16:02] <Daisuke_Ido> it's great for the people i know with a few dozen songs, or myselve, with 36k...
[16:03] <Daisuke_Ido> myself*  (if you couldn't tell, i haven't had coffee either)
[16:03] <spiroo> joseph: Just search on google for: "kde dolphin transparent"
[16:04] <CrashMaster_> nebukan: Are  you able to access your ntfs partition in linux?
[16:04] <nebukan> CrashMaster_: yes
[16:05] <CrashMaster_> nebukan: pop your XP cd in, boot to a recovery console, and then run chkdsk /f on your ntfs partition.
[16:06] <sparr_> gah!
[16:06] <sparr_> i hate it when features disappear in an upgrade
[16:07] <nebukan> CrashMaster_: 1: and if i dont have a disk, and too lazy to get one, can it be fixed without a xp-disk? 2: will that keep my ubuntu working or will windows wipe it out (in the loader that is)? thanks 4 all yr help!
[16:08] <anais> coucou tous le monde ya du monde de MONTPELLIER ????
[16:08] <ct529> !mysql-workbench
[16:08] <ct529> !mysqlworkbench
[16:09] <CrashMaster_> nebukan: 1: You're hosed. You need to run the MS chkdsk tool against the MS partition to repair it. 2: It shouln't touch your ubuntu, as long as you make sure to specify the correct partition  to work on
[16:10] <genii> ct529: It doesn't matter if you ask the bot about a factoid here or in #ubuntu
[16:10] <Daisuke_Ido> CrashMaster_: it will touch his ubuntu by definition, because he installed with wubi.  the good news is that it won't *HURT* the ubuntu install
[16:10] <Jucato> !msgthebot | ct529
[16:10] <CrashMaster_> Daisuke_Ido: Good catch. I missed the WUBI
[16:13] <ct529> Jucato: could you explain .... I do not understand
[16:13] <nebukan> CrashMaster_: much applies!
[16:14] <Jucato> ct529: it means do not flood channels searching for factoids if you are not sure they exist. PM the bot (talk to it in private) instead.
[16:14] <mum> hi all
[16:14] <emilio> hi
[16:15] <mum> please, can You explain me why Module ipw3945 is not found on kubuntu 8.04 - 2.6.24-16 ?
[16:16] <genii> mum: Perhaps because it's called iwl3945
[16:16] <ct529> Jucato: thanks!
[16:17] <mum> thanks genii, but it doesn't work correctly, as other one, with previous release of kubuntu and kernel...
[16:17] <psychoholic> when i was intall mp3 suport on my kubuntu my wife closed it now i get a error when i try to install it
[16:17] <mum> is there a way to roll-back to previous driver?
[16:18] <Xbehave> psychoholic: try installing it via installing kubuntu-resrticed
[16:18] <CrashMaster_> oh wtf. I have to nickreg to send pms?
[16:18] <psychoholic> i was think i needed to clean up the half downloaded files first
[16:19] <Xbehave> your right but adept should do that for you, and im not sure how to do it manually
[16:19] <o0Chris0o> hey guys
[16:20] <psychoholic> Xbehave,  so what in term type intall kubuntu-resriticed  ?
[16:20] <psychoholic> hmm
[16:20] <o0Chris0o> what are the extras kde has that I could install...like the apps...screen savers..wallpapers..etc
[16:20] <genii> mum: Not that I'm aware of
[16:20] <psychoholic> i'm going to uninstall with adept and the reset and try
[16:21] <psychoholic> this is the error
[16:21] <psychoholic> There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
[16:21] <dere> any japanese here?
[16:22] <Xbehave> try sudo aptitude install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[16:22] <dere> none?
[16:22] <Xbehave> !japan
[16:22] <BluesKaj> !jp | dere
[16:22] <mum> genii: is there a reconfiguration to do for let working iwl-drivers as ipw-ones?
[16:23] <dere> dude I'm not from japan, just needed help thats all
[16:23]  * ASUS-tek ur wellcome dere
[16:23] <psychoholic> thanks Xbehave
[16:26] <o0Chris0o> Xbehave: nah thats not it, I thought that was it, but thats basicly codecs and stuff for multimedia support and java support
[16:26] <psychoholic> now i got a new error
[16:26] <genii> mum: I'm still investigating possible answers, please be patient
[16:26] <psychoholic> Errors were encountered while processing:
[16:26] <psychoholic>  flashplugin-nonfree
[16:26] <psychoholic>  msttcorefonts
[16:26] <mum> genii: thanks a lot! :)
[16:27] <Xbehave> isnt mp3 support coverd by codecs? erm flashplugin-nonfree might be broken, just ignore it and install flash manually if you need it, im not sure about msttcorefonts
[16:28] <dere> is there anybody having 3D problems with ati x1600 at kubuntu 8.04 like me?
[16:28] <Adrian_dlcspm> Hey all.  I installed KUbuntu last night.  I tried DVD release with the latest KDE version.  I installed Firefox and found the fonts looked particularly bad (not TT or AA perhaps).  When I dropped down to console the fonts were very large (2 or 3 times what I'd normally see on Fedora or Debian).  Is this common with Ubuntu + KDE?  I've run KDE under Fedora before and it wasn't like that.
[16:28] <mum> psycolich: may-be-also: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree msttcorefonts
[16:28] <Xbehave> !ati
[16:28] <dere> thaks a lot ubottu
[16:31] <Xbehave> Adrian_dlcspm: im not fussy about fonts but konqueror generally has nice fonts and firefoxs are ok, erm as for the console porblem, it may be a bad setting for your framebuffer, i had a problem but broke the laptop before getting round to fixing it (i rarely drop to console), its not the nrom tho
[16:31] <genii> mum: The iwl driver may work if you replace the current one which should be something like /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/ubuntu/wireless/iwlwifi/iwlwifi/compatible/iwl3945.ko     by sudo apt-get install linux-backports-modules-hardy-generic  and then if you do modprobe -l| grep 3945 the new module path should be /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/updates/wireless/iwlwifi/iwlwifi/compatible/iwl3945.ko
[16:32] <Adrian_dlcspm> Xbehave, Ya, I saw Konqueror a few mins ago and it looked pretty good.  Firefox looks really really bad though.  I couldn't find a font that looked good in it  :(
[16:32] <mum> genii: thanks, let me try! ;-)
[16:34] <Xbehave> !fonts
[16:34] <Jabop> Hey all. I just did a clean install of Kubuntu, and somehow, the docked plasma kicker got removed and I can't recover it.
[16:34] <Jabop> Any ideas on how I can do so? :)
[16:34] <genii> mum: This taken from http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=765647 for reference
[16:34] <Xbehave> perhaps installing fonts will help but i install firefox from mozilla.org so im not sure
[16:34] <matsdb> how is lighthttpd compared to apache? i've only tried apache, but heard much positive of lighthttpd
[16:35] <Xbehave> Jabop: alt+f2 kicker
[16:35] <Xbehave> o wait your talking kde4 in that case i dont know
[16:35] <Jabop> Xbehave: KDE4, I'm sorry
[16:35] <Jabop> :P
[16:36] <o0Chris0o> !kde4
[16:36] <o0Chris0o> jabop they might be able to help you more there :)
[16:36] <Adrian_dlcspm> I've been using Fedora at work.  I used Debian for years at home.  I'm quite partial to apt-get.  Does apt-get have any particular advantages over yum?  I can't put my finger on why I like apt-get more.
[16:37] <Xbehave> apt-get has supper cow powers
[16:37] <matsdb> me personally thinks searching in apt is faster than yum
[16:37] <Dr_willis> theres also that apt-file tool that can cache the database for faster searching.
[16:38] <Adrian_dlcspm> I don't think yum has a reinstall target, as does apt-get.  I don't know how commonly its used (I do remember using it under Debian though).
[16:38] <ct529> what the heck .... they updated the kernel and forgot to update the virtualbox-ose-modules, so the virtual machine(s) do not work anymore .... $%$%&&&!!!! .... :)
[16:38] <Dr_willis> under kde - check out the 'apt:///' (or was it apt:// or apt:\\ ) kioslave for apt searching
[16:38] <Adrian_dlcspm> Dr_willis - Oh, that's what I liked better.  I can do an apt-get update, and later do an install.  With yum, each install request seems to auto do an update.
[16:38] <Xbehave> ct529: stuff takes time just boot to the old kernel until they update
[16:39] <Xbehave> thx doc never new, no need to use crappy adept now :D
[16:40] <Dr_willis> Adrian_dlcspm,  i recall that with synaptic front end. you could make a script to do the work.. :) so you could set up what youw ant to install.. then derfer it to be done later
[16:40] <Dr_willis> I always use synaptic myself.
[16:40] <Xbehave> im running low on space not sure if i can do with all dependancies :(
[16:41] <Adrian_dlcspm> Dr_willis - I also recall something called aptitude, for managing dependencies and software as one unit.  As opposed to later uninstalling, and having all the dependencies left behind and unused.  deborphan too.
[16:41] <Daisuke_Ido> Xbehave: sudo apt-get clean
[16:41] <ct529> Xbehave: I do not think we should update the software when mission critical tools depend on it .... particularly on an LTS version .... it is just plain wrong
[16:41] <eyemon> how can i install a software to kubuntu manually
[16:41] <Xbehave> manually?
[16:41] <jhutchins> eyemon: apt-get install <software>
[16:41] <ct529> eyemon: apt-get install "package"
[16:41] <BluesKaj> YUM and YAST are repositories programs that are burdened by poorly written search utilities to find the right dependencies, IMO
[16:42] <Daisuke_Ido> if it's a package file you've downloaded on your own, sudo dpkg -i <package filename>
[16:42] <Xbehave> ct529: your mission critical tools still work tho, like every OS there will be plenty of post release work until SP1
[16:42] <eyemon> ok
[16:42] <eyemon> hehhe
[16:42] <eyemon> thanx community
[16:43] <sparr_> what is the command to execute a non-+x binary without making it +x ?
[16:43] <Daisuke_Ido> sh (file) should do it
[16:43] <Daisuke_Ido> but if it's an executable, why wouldn't you make it executable?
[16:44] <jhutchins> Daisuke_Ido: I doubt if sh will execute a binary.  It woudl exectute a script.
[16:44] <Daisuke_Ido> jhutchins: ah, i thought he was talking about a script that wasn't set as executable
[16:44] <Daisuke_Ido> whoops!
[16:44] <mueslix> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.4.php <- this page says kde 4.0.4 would be in backports. i can't seem to find it. any clues?
[16:45] <Daisuke_Ido> in that case...  chmod +x <binary>
[16:45] <Xbehave> nah i think your right Daisuke_Ido. it should be imposible to run a binary without setting +x
[16:45] <Daisuke_Ido> mueslix: it may not be there yet
[16:45] <Dr_willis> aptitude is another front end. to the apt system,  i perfer apt-get :)
[16:45] <tzd> can someone please help me with a UUID issue at boot please? The partition mounts but every time i boot up a service menu is being run stating the specified UUID cannot be located
[16:45] <mueslix> Daisuke_Ido: why would the page say tho, then? :-)
[16:46] <Daisuke_Ido> because it may not have been propagated to all the mirrors yet?
[16:46] <mateusz> you should be able to run it
[16:46] <jhutchins> tzd: switch to device name instad of UUID.
[16:46] <Xbehave> mueslix: you can always check proposed if you want it now
[16:46] <mueslix> Xbehave: cheers
[16:47] <tzd> jhutchins: i've had that in the past but that usually mess things up for me since it's a usb drive
[16:47] <mueslix> Daisuke_Ido: indeed it was the mirror. very strange (imo) since this page was last updated a week ago
[16:47] <Daisuke_Ido> some just take a lot longer than others :)
[16:55] <mateusz> you should be able to run it
[17:00] <mateusz> I am anonymous
[17:04] <BaudXP> help... my machine is no longer booting up, I only get "ACPI: looking for DSDT in initramfs... error, file /DSDT.aml not found" when trying recovery mode
[17:06] <eyemon> helpppppppppppp
[17:06] <Tm_T> eyemon: yes?
[17:06] <eyemon> i downloaded a file but cant install it :(
[17:06] <kreib> how can i have remote x show on local?
[17:06] <kreib> it will not work
[17:07] <Tm_T> eyemon: what file?
[17:07] <kreib> i set forwardx11 yes for the remote in my local shh_config and everything
[17:07] <rickest> kreib: where the X server is running, "xhost +remote_host_name
[17:07] <Tm_T> kreib: did you also do ssh -X target ?
[17:07] <rickest> kreib: and restarted ssh server?
[17:07] <Tm_T> kreib: I mean, used -X
[17:07] <eyemon> flash player
[17:08] <eyemon> i want to install it manually
[17:08] <Pennycook> eyemon: What problem are you having, exactly?
[17:08] <kreib> yes, i do ssh -X remoteadress
[17:08] <eyemon> i downloaded the flash player
[17:08] <eyemon> but dono how to install it manually
[17:08] <eyemon> plz help me
[17:09] <eyemon> it is a tar.gz file
[17:09] <eyemon> :(
[17:09] <Dr_willis> You dont need to mess with the tar.gz
[17:09] <Dr_willis> !flash
[17:09] <Dr_willis> I normally install the kubuntu-restricted-extras package. i THINK that will install flash also.
[17:10] <eyemon> all i want is to learn how to install it manually
[17:10] <Pennycook> I'd recommend against kubuntu-restricted-extras if there's any chance you'll be developing Java applications, though.  OpenJDK is rubbish.
[17:10] <eyemon> its not that i really want flash player
[17:10] <Pennycook> eyemon: In that case, open a terminal in the same file as your the tar.gz
[17:11] <eyemon> how??
[17:11] <stefanos_> hi everyone
[17:11] <kreib> how do you restart ssh?
[17:11] <kreib> not in /etc/init.d it seems
[17:11] <rickest> kreib: did you already try the 'xhost' command I gave you earlier?
[17:11] <Dr_willis> I noticed that   the  Freecol game and the openjdk had ugly fonts.
[17:12] <eyemon> how can i open a terminal like that
[17:12] <Pennycook> eyemon: Press Alt + F2, then type "konsole"
[17:12] <kreib> yes
[17:12] <Dr_willis> so i installed the other javas :)
[17:12] <kreib> it said remotehost being added to cotrol list
[17:12] <eyemon> then??
[17:12] <rickest> kreib: so after you ssh to the remote and try to run a GUI app, what happens?
[17:12] <stefanos_> i'm having real trouble watching videos in kubuntu 8.04/fglrx/aiglx, is there anyone that can help?
[17:12] <Dr_willis> If you dont know the shell basics.. thats somthing You might want to be learning,befor messing with the flash tar.gz files.
[17:12] <kreib> how to restart ssh
[17:12] <Pennycook> Dr_willis: The compiler also refused to compile my valid Java 6 code, which I thought was odd.  After manually installing Java 6, I had to symlink it in all the right places :(
 I'm going to restart with backport-modules installed... I'll let You know... But thanks a lot in every case! :-)
[17:13] <Dr_willis> Pennycook,  file some bugs! :) I cant keep up with java stuff.. I just use it to play Freecol. :)
[17:13] <Pennycook> eyemon: Use the "cd" command to change directory to wherever you've downloaded it.  Like "cd /home/eyemon/downloads" or something
[17:13] <eyemon> then what??
[17:13] <eyemon> i opened the console
[17:13] <stefanos_> anyone?
[17:13] <kreib> rickest: you are right, it starts on local, very ncie
[17:14] <eyemon> ok
[17:14] <eyemon> next step??
[17:14] <Pennycook> eyemon: Okay, type "tar -xvvzf install-flash..." or whatever the filename is.
[17:15] <rickest> kreib: (you didn't really NEED to restart ssh if you put '-X' on the cmdline.  but for future ref, "/etc/init.d/ssh restart'
[17:16] <BaudXP> guess this is an excuse to go back to windows :\
[17:16] <kreib> rickest: thx. now, standard wireless is far too slow to show ex. movies on a remote display, is that right?
[17:17] <eyemon> tar: install-aircrack-ng-0.9.3: Cannot open: No such file or directory
[17:17] <Xbehave> BaudXP: whats your problem?
[17:17] <eyemon> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
[17:17] <eyemon> tar: Child returned status 2
[17:17] <eyemon> tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
[17:17] <eyemon> this appears
[17:17] <Pennycook> eyemon: Well, for one, that's not the flash install.  Are you sure you're in the right directory?
[17:17] <rickest> kreib: wireless itself isn't but you need to be on a fat LAN, wireless or no
[17:17] <Dr_willis>  initramfs - is normally gerenated when the kernel updates.. odd that yours got currupted  BaudXP  - im not even sure how that could happen
[17:18] <eyemon> eyemon@ubuntu:~/Desktop/aircrack-ng-0.9.3$
[17:18]  * Dr_willis wonders what aircrack has to do with flash.
[17:18] <eyemon> thats the directory
[17:18] <rickest> kreib: to do something like that, much better to run the player on your local machine and stream the video via http or another protocol.  You're never going to be happy with the results the way you're doing it
[17:18] <matsdb> goddamnit, cant get sound in kubuntu, worked perfectly in both ubuntu, fedora and opensuse
[17:18] <Xbehave> Dr_willis: would falling back to an old kernel work
[17:18] <Pennycook> eyemon: Not the directory, you want tar -xvvzf install-flash" the /filename/
[17:18] <BaudXP> Dr_willis: it complained about DBUS and refused to shutdown, so I did the magical SysRq combo instead of a hard reset - now it wont boot. Is my install fried?
[17:18] <Dr_willis> Xbehave,  i THINK it should.. if it kept its old initrd.
[17:19] <Pici> eyemon: AircrackNG is in the Ubuntu repositories.
[17:19] <kreib> that works fine?
[17:19] <Dr_willis> BaudXP,  sounds like hard drive curruption perhaps.
[17:19] <Xbehave> BaudXP: try booting to an old kernel
[17:19] <eyemon> so that means its not for kubuntu right
[17:19] <BaudXP> Xbehave: same with all kernels in the menu
[17:19] <Jucato> eyemon: Kubuntu and Ubuntu have the same repositories
[17:19] <eyemon> so
[17:19] <Pici> !info aircrack-ng | eyemon
[17:20] <kreib> rickest: what protocol or setup is best suited dyou think?
[17:20] <sparr> does anyone maintain debs of newer egoboo versions than the official packages?
[17:20] <Xbehave> BaudXP: if you want to fix it it shouldnt be too hard, but will require abit of work
[17:20] <eyemon> hey
 so that means its not for kubuntu right <--- which means you can install and use it on Kubuntu as well
[17:20] <CrashMaster_> eyemon: You'll want to get the latest SVN of aircrack. The repo version is behind the curve
[17:20] <Pici> eyemon: The only difference between Ubuntu and Kubuntu are the packages installed by default.
[17:21] <eyemon> where can i get some softwares for kubuntu
[17:21] <eyemon> i want to install it manually
[17:21] <BaudXP> Xbehave: I've backed up everything important about a week ago - instead of trying to repair this install, I was hoping to perform a clean one of Hardy
[17:21] <eyemon> i'm just learning
[17:21] <Pici> !software | eyemon
[17:21] <Dr_willis> eyemon,  downloading various .deb files manually is NOT reccomended.. Use the package maanger tools
[17:21] <BaudXP> Xbehave: Is there any command I can use to copy one directory to another, but only copy changed or newer files?
[17:22] <Xbehave> CrashMaster_: since the PTW crack theres not really much difference unless your trying something clever, not worth the hastle of SVNs and compiling
[17:22] <Xbehave> BaudXP: cp, erm ill have a look at the man but by default i think cp will prompt for override
[17:22] <eyemon> where can i get some softwares for kubuntu
[17:22] <rickest> kreib: sorry, MM is not my area
[17:23] <Dr_willis> rsync i think can do that    BaudXP  some how... :)
[17:23] <Dr_willis> eyemon,  fire up the packatge manager, or add/remove programs icon. and start clicking away
[17:23] <rickest> kreib: anything from sshfs, http, etc.  google 'streaming video server' or something similar
[17:23] <dwidmann_laptop> eyemon: there are over 20,000 packages in the ubuntu repositories, that would be ag ood start
[17:24] <eyemon> hey i want to learn how to installing manually
[17:24] <eyemon> its more interesting
[17:24] <dwidmann_laptop> !compile | eyemon
[17:24] <Walzmyn> eyemon apt-get is safer
[17:24] <Dr_willis> eyemon,  define 'manually' - if you want to learn.. start by reading the apt-get guides
[17:24] <Dr_willis> !apt | eyemon
[17:24] <Xbehave> BaudXP:  cp -urv [source] [dest] or cp -urvp to keep permisions on the files
[17:25] <Walzmyn> If you have logged in via a console, what is the proper way to start KDE?
[17:25] <Dr_willis> Walzmyn,  'startx' if its yoru default window manager
[17:25] <matsdb> even a reboot didnt help :\
[17:26] <BaudXP> Xbehave: Thanks!
[17:26] <eyemon> hey
[17:26] <eyemon> you guys ROCK
[17:26] <eyemon> i'm going to check on the tutorials
[17:27] <dwidmann_laptop> Walzmyn: you could use "xinit -- :0 vt7" Then "startkde" in the bare x session it'll start.
[17:27] <Xbehave> matsdb: erm is this a clean kde install, was it the same version of ubuntu that sound working fine
[17:27] <eyemon> will catchya later
[17:27] <matsdb> just installed it
[17:27] <Walzmyn> Dr_willis, it should ahve been but when i used startx it opened XFCE and startkde returned an error
[17:27] <matsdb> kde 8.04
[17:27] <matsdb> kubuntu 8.04 i mean
[17:27] <matsdb> sound worked perfectly on both fedora 8 and 9
[17:27] <Xbehave> was it ubuntu 8.04 that had sound working or an older version
[17:27] <matsdb> opensuse, and ubuntu 8.04
[17:28] <ibnpaul> anyone have experience with SD card readers (not usb)?
[17:28] <Xbehave> ahhh have you cheked sound at cli level?
[17:28] <ibnpaul> or usb as well I guess
[17:28] <ibnpaul> (I have both)
[17:28] <matsdb> maybe i've disabled sound somehow, not so familiar with kde
[17:28] <dwidmann_laptop> Walzmyn: look up at what I sad a few minutes ago, it is how to (properly) use the startkde script
[17:29] <Walzmyn> dwidmann_laptop, thanks, what does the " --:0 vt7 " do?
[17:29] <matsdb> maybe i should do an reinstall of kubuntu
[17:29] <Xbehave> matsdb: best way to find the problem is to start with cli tools, i just have to rember how to test sound at cli
[17:29] <Xbehave> if sound never worked on kubuntu its likely that a reinstall will leave sounds not working
[17:30] <matsdb> it worked before i installed some updates
[17:30] <matsdb> thats the strange thing
[17:31] <dwidmann_laptop> Walzmyn: "--" signifies an end to other switches related to the command, ":0" is the display number, if you already have an x session running you'll want to change it to :1, :2,:3 etc, vt7 is the vt number, ie: you hit ctrl + alt + f7 to get to it, you can use a number between 7 and 12, with maybe the exception of maybe #8, and 7 also if there's already an X running.
[17:31] <dwidmann_laptop> Walzmyn: 7 is the default, and I think something like maybe usplash or something hogs 8 ... I n ever have much luck in using 8 anyway
[17:31] <matsdb> tried speaker-test in konsole, no sound :\
[17:31] <Xbehave> ahh well it might be driver problems, id recomend start checking alsa before reinstalling
[17:32] <Xbehave> make sure nothing is muted in alsamixer
[17:32] <matsdb> alsamixer is command line?
[17:32] <niteye> how can i convert kubuntu 8.04 KDE4 remix to regular kubuntu 8.04 (who has KDE3.5)
[17:32] <niteye> without much hassle
[17:33] <Xbehave> yeah well its similar to kmix but gaurantees your working straight with alsa
[17:33] <matsdb> nothings muted in alsa either
[17:33] <matsdb> strange thing
[17:33] <niteye> matsdb: i had something similar and i dont remember what i did to fix my sound
[17:34] <matsdb> hmm, ok, tell me if you rememeber :)
[17:34] <niteye> i put everything up in alsamixer, then did the same in kmix, and then i found yet another sound applet somewhere in the installed applications
[17:34] <matsdb> allright ;)
[17:34] <Xbehave> try checking aplay --vv somefile.wav if you have a wev use that otherwise a large text file will make it sound horrible
[17:34] <matsdb> i'll try that
[17:35] <matsdb> thanks
[17:35] <ibnpaul> @matsdb: have you checked to make sure the proper modules are loaded?
[17:35] <dwidmann_laptop> Walzmyn: come to think of it, you may need to specify which command to use because it defaults to xterm for the terminal emulator it will start .... so "xinit /usr/bin/konsole -- :0 vt7"
[17:35] <matsdb> ibnpaul, where do i check that?
[17:35] <niteye> without much hassle
[17:35] <ibnpaul> do this command: lsmod | grep ^snd
[17:35] <dwidmann_laptop> Walzmyn: oh, forgot to mention why I mentioned that ... xterm is probably not installed, so it would have a little trouble running it.
[17:35] <hannes_> hey. is there any way to turn my fan on manually cause I think it's not working.
[17:36] <ibnpaul> what do you see?
[17:36] <hannes_> $ acpi -t
[17:36] <hannes_>      Battery 1: charged, 100%
[17:36] <hannes_>      Thermal 1: active[0], 81.0 degrees C
[17:36] <matsdb> loads of stuff
[17:36] <ibnpaul> :)
[17:36] <niteye> i have kubuntu KDE4 remix, who else has it?
[17:36] <matsdb> is kde4 remix stable?
[17:37] <niteye> not at all
[17:37] <Xbehave> hannes normally fan is done by hardware
[17:37] <matsdb> lol, ok.. :\
[17:37] <azzco> Does anyone know if there's some sort of wiki you can install for personal use? (Would be great rewritting some notes and link them together and stuff like that)
[17:37] <niteye> i want the regular kubuntu, but i dont know how to do so without installing it all over again
[17:37] <hannes_> it worked fine with the previous kubuntu version
[17:37] <hannes_> and it works under XP
[17:37] <Xbehave> azzco yes there are a few
[17:37] <matsdb> ah, well.. i'll reinstall again, and check the sound before doing any upgrades
[17:37] <matsdb> bbl ;)
[17:37] <azzco> niteye: got kde4 now? Try the package kubuntu-desktop
[17:38] <niteye> okay
[17:38] <Xbehave> unfortunatly ive never been that interested in them but check the repos or forums for a recomendation
[17:39] <azzco> Xbehave: No Problem it's no rush, just thought it'd be a great way to sort my notes
[17:39] <Pennycook> azzco: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki
[17:39] <Xbehave> yeah i heard a few good reviews popup over, i find knotes is enough for my needs
[17:39] <dwidmann_laptop> Walzmyn: hope that wasn't too much information ....... I like to be thorough :)
[17:40] <Xbehave> Pennycook: isnt mediawiki complete overkill
[17:40] <Pennycook> If you install that, you'll be able to run a Wiki on apache.
[17:40] <Pennycook> Xbehave: He asked for a Wiki, that's a Wiki.
[17:40] <Pennycook> As for recommendations for alternatives, BasKet is KNotes on acid, and is what I use. http://basket.kde.org/
[17:40] <azzco> hehe true true =p
[17:41] <Xbehave> yeah hes talking about using it locally for writing notes, installing azureus and media wiki is complet overkill, neither are particularly light
[17:41] <azzco> knotes is a bit to leight for me.. lots of physic drawings and I really need to add those formulas and pictures
[17:42] <niteye> in windows when u log in with RDP it automatically locks the local session if it's not locked yet and displays everything that was on the session remotely, can u have something similar on linux? (so far with VNC the screen stays unlocked locally)
[17:42] <Jucato> azzco: basket?
[17:42] <Pennycook> azzco: Check out Basket. At the moment you'll have to draw the diagrams elsewhere and paste them in, but they're going to put a simple form of paint in the next release.  You can also screengrab directly, for formulae in LaTeX etc.
[17:43] <azzco> Jucato, Pennycook, Yeah I was browsing the screenshots and it seems very promising, great thanks for the tip!
[17:43] <Xbehave> Pennycook: is it in repos or does it need compiling, because im tempted to go for that too
[17:43] <Pennycook> Xbehave: Repos.
[17:43] <Pennycook> You can even import your KNotes. :)
[17:43] <azzco> basket is in the repos
[17:43] <jonah> hey guys does anyone use kde4, no one in the kde4 rooms seems to be answering?
[17:43] <dwidmann_laptop> basket is nice, overkill, but nice :)
[17:44] <Jucato> !patience | jonah
[17:44] <Jucato> dwidmann_laptop: yeah... overkill....
[17:44]  * dwidmann_laptop heads over to the kde4 room to take a look
[17:45] <azzco> jonah: yeah I know the feeling I was waiting for some help an hour or so yesterday... gave up and reloged to kde3
[17:47]  * Xbehave checks if hes still here 
[17:50] <STSX> Every time I reload Konqueror it loses the settings that I changed, such as changing the default view mode. How can I retain the settings I change?
[17:51] <Xbehave> thx Pennycook. basket seams great i wonderd about a nice note taking app that was more advnaced than knotes :D
[17:51] <guilhermeblanco> jonah: I'm waiting for a hint how to fx my knotify for 3 days without success
[17:51] <niteye> does anyone here have experience with openvpn?
[17:51] <guilhermeblanco> today I gave up and reinstalled kubuntu... still configuring the os
[17:52] <Jucato> STSX: Settings -> Save View Profile
[17:54] <CrashMaster_> ok
[17:54] <CrashMaster_> here we go
[17:55] <CrashMaster_> procedure question
[17:55] <STSX> Jucato: Thanks, that works great--I was confused because I chose "Configure View Profiles" and it would only let me "save", not configure the profile. What's the deal with that?
[17:55] <clemons> niteye I use the command line "vpnc"
[17:57] <Jucato> STSX: um.. dunno really :)
[17:59] <BluesKaj> STSX, actually setup konq then "load View profile" , once you have it loaded then save view profile , if  you're happy with it.
[18:00] <TFrog> anyone here have vast experience with KDE and Compiz?
[18:02] <eigenvalue> Hi: I have  a problem with GRUB: I want it to dual-boot kubuntu / WinXP, but it won't work. I installed Win on a new HD on its first Partition (sda1) while having a running kubuntu system on sdb. I made an entry ("title winxp, root hd(1,0), makeactive, chainloader +1") in /boot/grub/menu.lst , but that daoesn't seems to be enough..
[18:02] <eigenvalue> can someone help me?
[18:06] <CrashMaster_> eigenvalue: is it throwing any errors at you?
[18:07] <TFrog> eigenvalue if you're Windows XP partition is the first partition it should read hd(0,0)
[18:07] <TFrog> plus you have to have the windows partition in fstab
[18:07] <BaudXP> ugh.. I'm trying to (re)install Hardy, but after booting from the CD and selecting an option, I just get a blinking cursor in the top left of the screen
[18:07] <BaudXP> any ideas?
[18:08] <CrashMaster_> verified the media?
[18:08] <genii> eigenvalue: If windows is on the primary master then hd(0,0) is the right value
[18:09] <eigenvalue> CrashMaster_:  no. it just resets, and the BIOS starts again. TFrog: hd(0,1) works for /boot/, which is the second partition of sdb (the HD without WinXP), so sda1 should be hd(1,0), or am I wrong?
[18:09] <BaudXP> CrashMaster_: It wants to boot to do that, wont boot :p
[18:09] <STSX> In my menu.lst file the syntax is (hd0,0) not hd(0,0)--is this an issue for eigenvalue too?
[18:09] <eigenvalue> TFrog: why do i need it in fstab?
[18:10] <TFrog> eigenvalue, if there is no value in fstab it's likely you won't boot XP at all even with the entry in grub
[18:10] <eigenvalue> STSX:  no, i just mistyped that one
[18:10] <CrashMaster_> BaudXP: Still have the original ISO?
[18:10] <BaudXP> CrashMaster_: yes
[18:10] <CrashMaster_> burn another disc.
[18:11]  * BaudXP cries
[18:11] <STSX> TFrog: I don't believe that's true--he doesn't need an entry in fstab to boot to XP. fstab only controls what is mounted when he boots into Kubuntu.
[18:11] <CrashMaster_> *strikes
[18:11] <BaudXP> trying, back later
[18:11] <TFrog> STSX, i'm not certain of that.  just offering info.  of course if he wants to read the XP partition from linux he'll need the entry in fstab
[18:12] <CrashMaster_> You dont need the entry in fstab unless you want to mount the partition at linux start...
[18:12] <STSX> TFrog: Agreed, but booting into XP has nothing to do with fstab. :)
[18:12] <eigenvalue> TFrog: I think STSX is right, grub uses its own filesystem. but i think i'm gonna try it. I need access to that partition anyway.
[18:13] <TFrog> well, i'm not having but one issue with hardy at the moment.  it involves compiz and the folks over at the compiz fusion room don't have any clues
[18:13] <deever> hello
[18:13] <eagles0513875> that has to do with grub btw
[18:13] <Coder2> Hello
[18:13] <eigenvalue> TFrog: but GRUB doesn't start the kernel, when booting XP.. (and the fstab is only useful for the linux system)
[18:13] <eagles0513875> STSX: btw to ur earlier comment he doesnt need fstab entry to boot xp
[18:14] <TFrog> true eigenvalue
[18:14] <deever> anyone here with 8.04-kde4 running in vbox?
[18:14] <eagles0513875> STSX: fstab allows one to have access to the partition from linux grub deals wiht boot loading
[18:14] <eagles0513875> deever: i am
[18:14] <TFrog> anyone a compiz wizard around here?
[18:14] <eigenvalue> TFrog: whats your compiz-problem?
[18:14] <STSX> eagles0513875: Absolutely, that's what I was pointing out to TFrog. :)
[18:14] <Coder2> Could anyone help with MythTV?
[18:14] <azzco> TFrog: tried #compiz-fusion ?
[18:15] <TFrog> eigenvalue, i can't get the cube to work properly
[18:15] <eagles0513875> STSX: ok sry im way out of it need to head out for a nap
[18:15] <deever> eagles0513875: have you got the screen resolution set to more than 800x600?
[18:15] <TFrog> azzco, i've been to that room and they don't have a clue
[18:15] <eagles0513875> deever: on vbox
[18:15] <deever> eagles0513875: yes
[18:15] <eagles0513875> deever: never really bothered to try
[18:15] <TFrog> and i've already talked to the head developer for ubuntu about it
[18:15] <azzco> TFrog: Did you check general options, make sure it's 4 or something. rotate cube, cube desktop activated?
[18:15] <eagles0513875> TFrog: u gotta be patient there seem to be aot of bugs out with hardy right now
[18:16] <deever> eagles0513875: so you are working with 800x600?
[18:16] <Coder2> Does anybody use MythTV ?
[18:16] <TFrog> yeah azzco.  problem is it gives me the wall even though it's not selected in ccsm.  however if i click with the center button on my mouse the cube comes up but won't stay on the screen.
[18:17] <TFrog> eagles0513875, i'm realizing that already
[18:17] <TFrog> glad it's a LTS version
[18:17] <eigenvalue> TFrog: Sorry that was the only thing i had no problems with.. don't have a clue how it works
[18:17] <eagles0513875> TFrog: i am having some issues but they rnt life threathening that i cant deal with em
[18:17] <TFrog> nor are mine at the moment
[18:18] <azzco> TFrog: That sounds really weird... try recording/take pictures of that and post in the forums
[18:18] <deever> anyone here with 8.04-kde4 on virtualbox and a screen resolution >800x600 ?
[18:18] <eagles0513875> deever: i dunno im using what ever the default res is when you install teh guest
[18:18] <TFrog> i just re-installed hardy.  it seems that you have to have the kde-destop loaded as a dependency.  before i cut it out as i don't need many of it's dependencies and had even worse troubles
[18:19] <TFrog> azzco, that would be very difficult with the symptoms i'm having with it.  i think what is going on is how ccsm is writting to the config file
[18:19] <TFrog> or something of that nature
[18:20] <TFrog> funny thing is all the other effects seem to work
[18:20] <azzco> TFrog: have you tried with a default config file? (Erasing the existing once or just renaming for the moment)
[18:20] <obelich> hola
[18:20] <TFrog> if i knew where that file was i'd try it for sure
[18:20] <waite> Anyone know how to get zeroconf:/ ioslave working on Kubuntu 8.04 remix (Kde4)
[18:20] <deever> eagles0513875: lol, ok! ;)
[18:21] <azzco> TFrog: Maybe we should move to #compiz-fusion
[18:21] <eagles0513875> deever: sry could be much more help
[18:21] <waite> I have kdnssd pakagea and avahi running.
[18:21] <TFrog> meet you there
[18:21] <eagles0513875> *srry
[18:21] <deever> eagles0513875: np! ;)
[18:21] <waite> And I can see ssh services via avahi-discover so I know some are out there,
[18:24] <CrashMaster_> ok. Computer turns on, POSTS, scans the MBR, finds grub, and then grub loads linux, yes?
[18:25] <dwidmann_laptop> CrashMaster_: sure, something like that
[18:25] <CrashMaster_> Well, is the "somethign like that" that Im interested in,.
[18:26] <CrashMaster_> Does grub just straight out load the kernel? Or is there a step in  between?
[18:28] <matsdb> finally i got sound :)
[18:28] <dwidmann_laptop> CrashMaster_: from the source of all things true and false: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_GRUB
[18:30] <genii> CrashMaster_: Grub loads it's own menu, then starts loading a kernel and the kernel's initial ramdisk. After ramdisk is loaded it goes on to load other drivers and mount drives, etc
[18:30] <genii> (the kernel does)
[18:30] <CrashMaster_> so it goes straight from grub to the kernel?
[18:30] <genii> Yup
[18:30] <CrashMaster_> hm
[18:31] <CrashMaster_> ok then, new line of inquiry.
[18:31] <azzco> I never understood the whole splashscreen thingy though..
[18:31] <CrashMaster_> What in the kernel determines the boot screen?
[18:31] <CrashMaster_> For instance.
[18:31] <CrashMaster_> XP has that stupid little bar going side to side
[18:31] <CrashMaster_> and linux has a buttload of text that flys by
[18:31] <CrashMaster_> sometimes the text it pretty and neat, sometimes its a jumbled mess of stuff.
[18:32] <CrashMaster_> What is it that deterimines how that stuff is displayed (pre-KDE im pretty sure)
[18:33] <azzco> CrashMaster_: I think that's usplash.. google it
[18:33] <Pici> !usplash | CrashMaster_
[18:33] <SlimeyPete> no, if you want neat text you need to make the kernel use the framebuffer
[18:33] <SlimeyPete> which is done with a kernel option iirc
[18:33] <SlimeyPete> if you want graphics, you need usplash.
[18:34] <dwidmann_laptop> SlimeyPete: definte "neat text"
[18:35] <CrashMaster_> !usplash
[18:35] <SlimeyPete> dwidmann_laptop: small, crisp font.
[18:35] <SlimeyPete> as opposied to the 80-line display
[18:35] <SlimeyPete> erm, 80-column
[18:35] <genii> CrashMaster_: Normally resolution will default to something safe and sane during this part of boot, like 640x480 or such. But it can be overridden by kernel swithc line of vga=xxx   where xxx is some value specifying default console type resolution to use
[18:35] <CrashMaster_> ok Its REALLY hard to cut/paste when you people keep giving me anwers!! :)
[18:35] <genii> hehe
[18:36] <CrashMaster_> got it!
[18:36] <CrashMaster_> talk away :)
[18:36] <Pici> !fb | CrashMaster_ more info here
[18:36] <CrashMaster_> well
[18:36] <CrashMaster_> it did SOMETHING
[18:36] <CrashMaster_> not sure what tho
[18:41] <Coder2> How to assign hotkey for keyboard layout switching? It does not work for me...
[18:45] <dwidmann_laptop> on another note, you must not like terminus very well SlimeyPete :P
[18:45] <genii> Coder2: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-keyboard/+bug/196277
[18:46] <deever> anyone here with 8.04-kde4 on virtualbox and a screen resolution >800x600 ?
[18:47] <dan> oi
[18:47] <dan> tm brazucas aki?
[18:47] <jose__> ola
[18:48] <zonycs> xDD "brazucas"
[18:48] <zonycs> es buena
[18:48] <zonycs> x
[18:48] <zonycs> xDD
[18:48] <dan> brasileiros
[18:48] <BoneSolTeraDyne> !br
[18:48] <zonycs> xDD
[18:48] <dan> num qro ajuda qro fla
[18:48] <jose__> y español?
[18:48] <dan> \ahuahaua
[18:49] <dan> yo soy brasileño mas yo hablo español
[18:49] <dan> hauhuahuah
[18:49] <Jucato> English only
[18:49] <zonycs> exacto
[18:49] <dan> i`m espeak english very lol
[18:49] <dan> ahuhauhaa
[18:50] <dreads> zonycs como te va?
[18:50] <zonycs> dan... te lo digo en español, quizas lo entiendas mejor que en ingles, trata en #kubuntu-es si entendes..
[18:50] <zonycs> todo bien
[18:51] <dreads> cierto hehe
[18:51] <Jucato> again. English only!!
[18:51] <dreads> ok sorry
[18:52] <dwidmann_laptop> Jucato: I know it's late there, and by this time of night you're problably cranky, but please try to remain calm :)
[18:52] <Jucato> dwidmann_laptop: I try
[18:52] <BonesolTeraDyne> Jucato: The best way to get your point across is to op-up and then repeat yourself. That's when they get the message.
[18:52] <Jucato> BonesolTeraDyne: would you believe some people don't even get that :)
[18:53] <Jucato> anyway, it stopped. so..
[18:53] <zonycs> no, english no,  only nippon!! [japanese] (???)
[18:53] <zonycs> xDD
[18:53] <Jucato> don't try me :)
[18:53] <BonesolTeraDyne> I believe it. Thanks for doing your job, though. More than I can say for ops in some other channels.
[18:54] <o0Chris0o> ok back to business...
[18:54] <Jucato> BonesolTeraDyne: thanks :)
[18:54] <o0Chris0o> what is the name of the extras you can get with kde, screen savers and wallpaper..etc
[18:55]  * genii slides Jucato a large coffee and some cookies
[18:55] <fenxik> does anyone know how to fix the bug of adept on find best server?
[18:55] <Jucato> genii: too late to keep me awake, and too early to wake me up :)
[18:56] <jhutchins_wk> o0Chris0o: kde-extras or kde-artwork?
[18:56] <o0Chris0o> yeah something like that
[18:56] <Jucato> kdeartwork
[18:56] <o0Chris0o> I couldt find it on adept
[18:56] <o0Chris0o> or I'm blind
[18:56] <o0Chris0o> one of the 2
[18:56] <Jucato> !info kdeartwork
[18:56] <Jucato> !info kdeartwork-kde4
[18:57] <Coder2> thanks
[18:57] <Jucato> O.o
[18:58] <jdavies> Jucato: evening
[18:58] <jhutchins_wk> Jucato: how far east are you?
[18:58] <Kite_DH> i need some help with my headset
[18:58] <Jucato> jdavies: new nick? :)
[18:59] <Jucato> jhutchins_wk: philippines.. +8 UTC
[18:59] <eyemon> heellllllllllllllllllpppppppppppppppp
[19:00] <eyemon> poeple????????????
[19:00] <eyemon> help me
[19:00] <Jucato> anyway...
[19:00] <jhutchins_wk> Ahhh.
[19:00] <jdavies> Jucato: wait a minute, aren't you suppose to be asleep?
[19:00] <Kite_DH> i only get the sound of skype rightnow, but i want to hear the other things over the same headset too
[19:00] <timboy> eyemon, just ask and if someone can answere they will
[19:00] <Kite_DH> can anybody help me with that?
[19:00] <dwidmann_laptop> o0Chris0o: apt-cache search artwork | grep ^k.*
[19:00] <Jucato> jdavies: true
[19:00] <Jucato> eyemon: I think single l's and p's would do as well
[19:00] <Pici> eyemon: Just ask a question
[19:00] <Pici> Jucato: heelp?
[19:00] <eyemon> i installed aircrack
[19:00] <Pici> eyemon: We can't if we dont know the question
[19:00] <timboy> eyemon, you are you aren't in the ubuntu channel
[19:00] <jhutchins_wk> eyemon: Dude, we don't know what's wrong, so just tell us, forget the melodramatics.
[19:00] <eyemon> but its no where to be seen
[19:00] <Kite_DH> Would somebody help ME? i already asked the question but somehow everybody seems to ignore me
[19:01] <dwidmann_laptop> but I liike drama ... darn :( ..................... just kidding
[19:01] <timboy> eyemon, wow that warrants a cry for help...
[19:01] <Pici> eyemon: aircrack is a cli program I believe.
[19:01] <jhutchins_wk> Kite_DH: What sort of a headset is it?  WIred?  Bluetooth?
[19:01] <Kite_DH> USB, from logitech
[19:01] <eyemon> what shud i do??
[19:01] <Kite_DH> Bus 002 Device 002: ID 046d:0a01 Logitech, Inc.
[19:01] <Pici> eyemon: run it from a terminal
[19:01] <mum>  Hi genii
[19:01] <eyemon> how??
[19:02] <jhutchins_wk> eyemon: start with the documentation.
[19:02] <Pici> eyemon: type aircrack perhaps
[19:02] <dwidmann_laptop> !konsole
[19:02] <jhutchins_wk> Kite_DH: Find anything about it on the web?
[19:02] <mum>  genii: I've tryed all things... The only way for let the device works is with ipw3945... So I reverted to 2.6.22 kernel... It's only way... :.-(
[19:02] <Kite_DH> jhutchins_wk: i wouldnt know where to start
[19:03] <jhutchins_wk> Kite_DH: gg: logitech usb headset (model) linux
[19:03] <timboy> eyemon, if you've never used the konsole maybe you should start with a linux 101 tutorial...
[19:04] <jhutchins_wk> Kite_DH: Have you tried restarting the system with the headset connected?
[19:04] <genii> mum: I am sad to hear. Hopefully soon there will be some solution
[19:04] <Kite_DH> jhutchins_wk: yes. i can choose it as option in skype, but not in the sound-system configuration itelf
[19:04] <Kite_DH> itself*
[19:04] <mum> genii: I hope so! Thanks a lot for Your help!
[19:04] <timboy> Kite_DH, have you checked alsamixer?
[19:05] <eyemon> when i type aircrack-ng in the terminal nothing happens
[19:05] <jhutchins_wk> Kite_DH: It will be a sound device, not an output option.  It's the whole sound hardware system.
[19:05] <timboy> eyemon, read the aircrack manual then come back
[19:05] <mum>  See Yaa! :)
[19:05] <jhutchins_wk> Kite_DH: Multiple audio devices are a frequent question here, but I don't know that we've developed a consistent proces for solving them.
[19:05] <Kite_DH> timboy: the option in skype i called "Logitech USB Headset (hw:Headset,0)"
[19:06] <timboy> hmm not too great at troubleshooting usb. sry
[19:06] <Kite_DH> well it works with skype, why doesnt that option exist in the sound-preferences too =(
[19:07] <zonycs> is the moment to say... mini-plug rulzzzzzzzzz (???)
[19:10] <Kite_DH> weird...
[19:13] <mueslix> why do the kde 4.0.4 apps from backport show up as 4.0.3 in the about dialogs?
[19:20] <Antareja_> halo
[19:20] <Antareja_> can somebody help me?
[19:20] <Antareja_> i need some help for my kubuntu
[19:20] <Antareja_> please
[19:20] <Pici> Ask a question
[19:20] <Antareja_> ok
[19:21] <Antareja_> I'v install my kubuntu after a XP os
[19:21] <Antareja_> so i already have an XP and i instal kubuntu from XP
[19:21] <Antareja_> and I have dedicated a space of 6 GB for the kubuntu
[19:21] <Antareja_> Can I change the size of the virtual diskdrive for kubuntu?
[19:22] <Antareja_> I'd like to make it to 10 GB, is it possible?
[19:23] <Xbehave_> Antareja_: that depends on wubi but i think so but you have to do it from windows
[19:23] <o0Chris0o> I'm thinking about installing kde4 but would it conflict with kde3?
[19:23] <mueslix> no
[19:23] <Antareja_> so I have to configure it from windows?
[19:23] <mueslix> you can install it parallely
[19:24] <azzco> Here comes the wubi questions *lol*
[19:24] <matsdb> any way to get firefox 3 beta 5 to intergrate better with KDE?
[19:24] <Xbehave_> yeah in windows you run wubi and resize it i think
[19:24] <Antareja_> well I didn't istall it paralelly, but on a virtual drive... boot.disk
[19:24] <matsdb> right now it looks like shit
[19:24] <Xbehave_> matsdb in what way?
[19:24] <matsdb> icons etc
[19:25] <Xbehave_> you can download a kde theme
[19:25] <Antareja_> so I should use wubi from windows?
[19:25] <matsdb> tried to, but wasnt compatible with the beta-version
[19:25] <matsdb> guess i have to wait :p
[19:25] <Xbehave_> matsdb: alot of themse work anyway
[19:26] <Antareja_> ok...so I will try
[19:26] <Antareja_> thanks a lot
[19:26] <Antareja_> bye
[19:26] <Xbehave_> np gl
[19:26] <Antareja_> thanks
[19:26] <matsdb> hmm, ok.. i'll try, thanks Xbehave_
[19:27] <Xbehave_> matsdb: extensions.checkCompatibility;false in about:config will let you install what you want, and you can get around the mozilla website stoping you by clicking install old version then selecting the newest
[19:27] <matsdb> ah, nice :D
[19:28] <velociraptor> hello sir!
[19:29] <Xbehave_> matsdb: http://konquefox.free.fr/ might help too i think its FF3 compatible
[19:29] <shane__> godd day can any one help with a device
[19:29] <_strog> hi i have an intel graphic card
[19:30] <shane__> its a dlink card i installed it last night and it was workin fine this morning its there but not workin
[19:30] <_strog> and wanted to know what to write in the xorg.conf file
[19:30] <_strog> im at the Driver "vesa" part
[19:30] <shane__> if it helps it shows it there but has it listed as unclaimed
[19:31] <_strog> or how do i start the reconfigure thing?
[19:32] <shane__> kwifi states it as disabled
[19:33] <shane__> crashmaster are u on
[19:34] <Xbehave_> !xorg
[19:34] <Xbehave_> !intel
[19:35] <Xbehave_> _strog: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto#head-c7979448ab81077f16349d3ca4be7aa5a5a52de2
[19:37] <Xbehave_> kwifi? what happens if you work through knetworkmanager, it might be switched off thier ?
[19:37] <shane__> network manager isnt givin me nothin it allows config wireless but no wireless device
[19:37] <waite> Is zerfonc in kubuntu-kde4 just broken? It works on kde3 fine.
[19:37] <matsdb> is there some default firewall in kubuntu?
[19:37] <waite> sorry zeroconf
[19:38] <p_quarles> matsdb, there is, but it's not configured -- something in particular you're trying to block?
[19:39] <matsdb> no, nothing in particular, just for general security
[19:39] <shane__> ok now its all working and i never touched it its been dead for 4 hrs
[19:39] <matsdb> maybe theres no need for it, but i've always used fedoras firewall just in case
[19:39] <p_quarles> matsdb, there's no need unless you're running services
[19:40] <p_quarles> there are no services listening to external ports in the defualt K/Ubuntu installation
[19:40] <shane__> why did my wireless just turn itself on and how can i fix this so it will start on boot and remain
[19:40] <matsdb> oh ok.. then i'll skip turning it on :)
[19:41] <shane__> i tryed adding to gedit and it says im not allowed to save
[19:41] <Xbehave_> isnt iptables in by default, there are some gui to edit it but its fairly good by default i think
[19:42] <joseph> !parley
[19:42] <matsdb> im running apache and mysql tho
[19:42] <BluesKaj> shane__, you have to edit with permission
[19:42] <Xbehave_> shane__: how did you get it working?
[19:42] <udi> in the lower left corner there is a drop down list of nicknames.  How do I edit it?
[19:42] <matsdb> apache is configured to listen to localhost only
[19:42] <shane__> i didnt i went in to see what was all sayin in netman and it was on
[19:42] <shane__> iv been tryin 4 4 hrs and no results now it turned itself on
[19:43] <shane__> and in gedit how do i edit with permisions this is ubuntu and im ussing ndiswrapper
[19:43] <Xbehave_> id recomend just starting knetworkmanager on logon, that seams to sort out most of my wireless troubles
[19:44] <Xbehave_> you need to run it with !sudo
[19:44] <shane__> i tryed that last night i added knet and got rid of kwifi
[19:44] <Nookie^> does anyone know if there are sources for kde 4.1 aplha?
[19:44] <shane__> but knet didnt apear so i reversed it and back to kwifi
[19:44] <Xbehave_> !sudo
[19:45] <shane__> ok ill print that off and see what i can do
[19:45] <shane__> ty
[19:45] <BluesKaj> shane__, whatever the run command box is in gnome (I assume you're in ubuntu, not kubuntu) use sudo or sudo gedit pathtofilename in the terminal
[19:46] <Xbehave_> shane__: to use permisions you need to run gksudo gedit
[19:46] <Xbehave_> !help > Xbehave_.
[19:47] <Xbehave> !hello > Xbehave
[19:48] <Xbehave> Nookie^: try #kubuntu-kde4 but otherwise id guess theyre at kde.org
[19:50] <Nookie^> Xbehave: thanx :-d
[20:05] <shane__> xbehave i added to gedit and on restart it gives me error startin gnome setting daemon
[20:05] <shane__> now i cant get into ubuntu it locks on that error code
[20:05] <Xbehave> if its gnome stuff your probably better off in #ubuntu
[20:06] <BluesKaj> shane__, perhaps your needs would be better served at #ubuntu
[20:06] <shane__> ok ty
[20:06] <BluesKaj> hehe
[20:08] <bayank> hello?
[20:08] <sneedly> hello can anyone help me, I need to install an invidia driver
[20:09] <sneedly> last time i messed up so bad it reset my keyboard and i ended up reinstalling
[20:09] <sneedly> felt like i was back in windows
[20:10] <matsdb> any good linux-games?
[20:10] <matsdb> has doom become freeware yet?
[20:16] <ubunturos> anyone with a SiS M672 Chipset board runnig *buntu?
[20:16] <timboy> matsdb, yes to number 1 open arena is pretty good. if you want real games get crossover games from codeweavers.com
[20:16] <timboy> ubunturos, i'm sure there is... :P
[20:17] <ubunturos> timboy: who is it? I'm curious about the results - hardware
[20:18] <Xbehave> !nvidia
[20:19] <timboy> ubunturos, i'm not sure.but it should work.
[20:20] <timboy> ubunturos, http://www.buntfu.com/auction_details.php?name=HASEE%20Core%20Duo%20Ubuntu%20Linux%20Notebook&auction_id=140
[20:20] <ubunturos> timboy: there are few issues with the VGA; though the forums has a link to drivers, I'm not really sure, if that'll work well
[20:20] <ubunturos> timboy: also, the audio didn't seem to work out of the box
[20:21] <timboy> yeah i'd stay away from sis if i were you
[20:21] <timboy> i'd either go intel or nvidia both have pretty good hardware support
[20:22]  * ubunturos had to go with it due to a price factor and the bundle of goodies that came along the laptop housing this mobo chipset
[20:23] <spiroo>  After I upgraded openssh I cannot use it anymore. The remote host connection identification has been changed. I wondering, how do i Fix that?
[20:27] <rickest> spiroo: edit your ~/.ssh/known_hosts and remove the old entry for that remotehost
[20:28] <spiroo> rickest: I do not know how to. It is encrypted code
[20:29] <sneedly> is there away to set up side by side screens in hard heron
[20:29] <rickest> spiroo: the first part of the line shows the hostname for the rest of the line (an encrypted-looking key)
[20:30] <sneedly> !displays
[20:30] <rickest> spiroo: in other words, look at the first word (a hostname or IP) on each line
[20:31] <rickest> and delete the one that matches the remote host you were originally trying to connect to
[20:32] <Daisuke_Laptop> !twinview | sneedly
[20:34] <JackWinter> hiya, i have some dvdroms pc/mac, that i can't access as normal user.  they show up in /media/cdrom, but i can't copy the data unless i sudo su ;)  in windows i have no rpob accessing them.  any ideas ?
[20:36] <spiroo> rickest, and then what=
[20:36] <rickest> spiroo: then reconnect
[20:36] <rickest> should ask you to accept new key
[20:36] <spiroo> ah okay
[20:37] <spiroo> rickest. Thanks, now it works again
[20:38] <rickest> spiroo: cool, glad it's up
[20:38] <temoto_alt40> Is there a way to force resizing of tray icons?
[20:39] <temoto_alt40> All icons but X-Chat are loaded as 32x32 i guess. Maybe 24, i'm not sure. X-Chat shows as large icon. 48x48 maybe.
[20:39] <temoto_alt40> And it breaks two rows of icons into one.
[20:40] <sneedly> !DualHead
[20:44] <shb79> hello everybody
[20:44] <tekteen> hi
[20:45] <BluesKaj> !hello | shb79
[20:45] <shb79> can anybody tell me how to access kde4 settings menu from kde3
[20:46] <shb79> I just messed up settings and got blank screen
[20:46] <shb79> kde3 works fine
[20:46] <tekteen> shb79: I tend to start over
[20:46] <tekteen> and delete all the config files
[20:46] <tekteen> for all kde4 programs
[20:49] <noaXess> normally.. what tool do i need to see the cpu fan speed?
[20:49] <noaXess> acpi?
[20:50] <ehfesolg> how do i remove all gui apps?
[20:50] <rickest> noaXess: usually 'sensors' something, lmsensors
[20:51] <noaXess> rickest: win what package is this included?
[20:51] <noaXess> in what
[20:52] <tekteen> ehfesolg: sudo apt-get remove xserver-xorg?
[20:53] <tekteen> Look before doing it
[20:53] <noaXess> rickest: i found it klmsensors..
[20:53] <noaXess> ksensors sorry
[20:54] <tekteen> ﻿can someone help me with pulseaudio? Here is what happens when I run pulseaudio: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12115/
[20:55] <lg2arts> alguma gata do rj ae?
[20:56] <eagles0513875> lg2arts: what language
[20:56] <lg2arts> PT
[20:56] <lg2arts> im new here
[20:56] <lg2arts> portugues
[20:57] <tekteen> !pt
[21:03] <noaXess> it seems, that my notebook don't have a fan sensor.. only a fan state 1/0.. on or off.. :(
[21:06] <ElegantAngel> HI all
[21:06] <hpk> hi the german link please
[21:06] <ElegantAngel> following update advice, i upgraded openssh-server update
[21:06] <ElegantAngel> but my update process is blocked
[21:07] <ElegantAngel> at 67%
[21:07] <ElegantAngel> :/ any ideas ?
[21:08] <hpk> the german link please
[21:08] <Xbehave> !de
[21:08] <hpk> thanks
[21:16] <Broadcom> anybody know why kubuntu would be randomly freezing?
[21:17] <noaXess> Broadcom: what does your log means? /var/log/messages
[21:17] <noaXess> or dmesg
[21:17] <dwidmann_laptop> or /var/log/syslog
[21:26] <o0Chris0o> errr I hate that you can't Ingore or block someone in kopete
[21:29] <jo_> did anyone knows an instant messaging program that support webcam?
[21:30] <jo_> for Ubuntu 8?
[21:30] <dwidmann_laptop> jo_: have you tried kopete?
[21:30] <Pennycook_> jo_: Apparently Skype supports Webcam now
[21:31] <jo_> no skype
[21:31] <jo_> no
[21:31] <jo_> kopete was on 7
[21:31] <jo_> it works
[21:31] <Pennycook_> Why no Skype?
[21:31] <jo_> uh sorry,skype is ok
[21:34] <jhutchins_wk> o0Chris0o: Doesn't /ignore work?
[21:34] <deever> anyone here with 8.04-kde4 on virtualbox and a screen resolution >800x600 ?
[21:36] <marcus_> wo bin ich hier?
[21:37] <SlimeyPete> !german
[21:37] <SlimeyPete> but... hi :)
[21:38] <greyfox> Hello
[21:38] <greyfox> does anyone know how to set a proxy on only one connection ? for example I have eth0 & eth1, I want to use a proxy only on eth1
[21:39] <marcus_> no idea
[21:39] <Aranel> After Hardy upgrade, my KControl tree is empty :/ How can I fix it ?
[21:42] <o0Chris0o> jhutchins not for kopete
[21:42] <dwidmann> Aranel: try running "sudo apt-get -f install" to make sure the install finished
[21:42] <clau30> hi. how do I restart the sound server?
[21:43] <Aranel> dwidmann: ok, i'm updating my programs now, i'll try that after it :)
[21:43] <dwidmann> Aranel: if it's letting you do that, then it must have finished the install okay, I think.
[21:44] <o0Chris0o> claus30: Kmenu >> System Settings >> Sound
[21:44] <o0Chris0o> under "enable the sound system"
[21:44] <o0Chris0o> thats how I turn it off and on
[21:45] <clau30> o0Chris0o: doesn't work
[21:45] <o0Chris0o> what doesn't work?
[21:45] <o0Chris0o> be more specific
[21:45] <clau30> I suddenly have no sound
[21:45] <o0Chris0o> is that enabled?
[21:45] <clau30> I know X restart would resolve it but maybe there is a command to do it :)
[21:45] <clau30> oo
[21:45] <clau30> o0Chris0o: well it worked a few minutes ago
[21:46] <o0Chris0o> why do you ahve to restart it? did you install something?
[21:46] <o0Chris0o> or is this a clean install
[21:46] <clau30> no, think it's because of amarok, happened before
[21:46] <o0Chris0o> hmm
[21:46] <clau30> it's an old install
[21:46] <clau30> alsa-utils restart also doesn't do the trick
[21:46] <o0Chris0o> ok
[21:47] <o0Chris0o> go to kmenu >> System >> Sound system then make sure your sound system is selected, instead of auto detect
[21:47] <o0Chris0o> try that and see it it works
[21:48] <clau30> nope
[21:48] <o0Chris0o> !sound
[21:49] <clau30> great :)
[21:49] <o0Chris0o> clau30 try entering "alsamixer" in terminal
[21:50] <o0Chris0o> and make sure volumes are up
[21:50] <ubuntu> :)
[21:50] <clau30> o0Chris0o: it's not that
[21:50] <clau30> come on :P
[21:51] <clau30> it's a backend kde uses I guess
[21:52] <o0Chris0o> I'm not sure, what else to tell you. I'm sure if you stick around, someone could help you with your problem
[21:52] <dwidmann_laptop> clau30: artsd
[21:52] <clau30> yea artsd seems to get restarted but still doesn't work
[21:53] <clau30> interesting is that, like I said, if I restart X, it's working agian
[21:53] <clau30> what else could I restart in etc/init.d? :)
[21:54] <clau30> ah, I'll just restart x
[21:54] <clau30> thanks anyway
[21:55] <o0Chris0o> clau30 try looking at your system logs and see it it outputs anything
[21:55] <o0Chris0o> oo too late
[21:56] <peer_> I'm getting a whole bunch of updates for KDE right now, what is this?
[21:56] <o0Chris0o> updates
[21:56] <o0Chris0o> :)
[21:56] <o0Chris0o> kde3 or 4
[21:57] <peer_> well ...  I'm wondering why. I expected the SSL updates, but not a complete new computer :-)
[21:57] <o0Chris0o> heh I got 2 new updates
[21:58] <peer_> And I don't even know which KDE (3 or 4) I'm running. How can I tell? When I upgraded to Hardy, there was no question asked.
[21:58] <o0Chris0o> and it is ssl updates
[21:58] <o0Chris0o> lol
[21:59] <secleinteer> hi, does anyone know why i have to edit xorg.conf to fix the dpi after installing the nvidia driver? that seems like a really basic issue that should have been fixed...
[21:59] <Pennycook_> peer_: You'll be running KDE3 if you upgraded from Gutsy. 4 looks considerably different.
[22:00] <secleinteer> yes, it looks considerably bad right now
[22:01] <peer_> So then, I'd like to know how I could get KDE 4 -- and if I should do that. What are the considerations to take into account?
[22:01] <dave11> kde 4=yuk
[22:01] <psyco> Hey, does anyone have any suggestions regarding stop motion programs??
[22:02] <secleinteer> peer_: don't use kde4 right now, it looks nothing like kde3 and has none of the customizability
[22:02] <Pennycook_> peer_: You should be able to install KDE4 by running sudo apt-get install kde4-core.
[22:02] <Pennycook_> And don't listen to them, I've been running KDE4 since release and I think it's much nicer.
[22:03] <peer_> ok ...    I guess we will all be pushed at KDE4 at some time anyway, but later when it's readyer ;-), right?
[22:03] <dave11> peer_: the program menu is a nightmare with scrolling back and forth to start programs
[22:03] <psyco> I personally think kde4 sucks. But most people think 4.1 will be awesome,
[22:03] <psyco> I hope it will be.
[22:03] <Pennycook_> Well, I think 4.1 is released in July(ish) and I'm sure it'll be tehe default.
[22:03] <Pennycook_> dave11: If you don't like Kicker, you can set it to use the default KMenu.
[22:03] <psyco> Yeah. 4.1 should pwn. I actually love the menu
[22:03] <psyco> just a quick search :D
[22:04] <dave11> Pennycook_: didnt know that..thanks
[22:04] <Pennycook_> Right /now/ it's less customisable than KDE3, sure, but the whole widgets thing (yes, I know about SuperKaramba :)) will make it awesome.
[22:04] <jimmy51vinsky> what's "Can't open file ./Bonnie.6234.000" indicate when trying to run bonnie to test an hdd?
[22:05] <Pennycook_> peer_: If you're not sure KDE4 is for you, it might be worth downloading the KDE4 Remix Live CD.  When I had KDE3 and KDE4 installed on Gutsy, the menu looked a little bit cluttered.
[22:05] <peer_> Ok, I'll take a look at it. And July(ish) is not far away anyway.
[22:05] <psyco> Yes. Can't wait for 4.1
[22:06] <psyco> KDE4 made me so pumped.
[22:06] <psyco> ANd it was quite the letdown.
[22:08] <secleinteer> Pennycook_: considering the amount of customizing i've done in kde3, i doubt it would be possible to replicate that in kde4 for quite a whle
[22:09] <secleinteer> possibly not until 4.2 or even 4.3
[22:10] <o0Chris0o> err
[22:10] <o0Chris0o> now i hav eno sound
[22:10] <o0Chris0o> lol
[22:10] <Pennycook_> secleinteer: Oh, I'm not denying that.  Right now KDE4's customisability extends about as far as changing the window decorations and desktop background. XD
[22:11] <secleinteer> yeah, it's like gnome right now
[22:11] <secleinteer> *shudder*
[22:11] <jimmy51vinsky> how do i give write access to a mounted fat16 partition?
[22:11] <theunixgeek> Does the live CD come with KDE 4?
[22:12] <secleinteer> i was really excited about it, but didn't realize it would be released in such a state of incompletion until a few weeks before the release when all the dev's started warning about that
[22:12] <secleinteer> theunixgeek: you get a separate live cd with 4
[22:12] <secleinteer> there are two versions, the 3 version and the    4
[22:12] <theunixgeek> secleinteer: what about the one ordered from Canonical?
[22:12] <secleinteer> theunixgeek: that's probably 3
[22:12] <theunixgeek> :(
[22:12] <theunixgeek> oh well, thanks anyway
[22:12] <jabba> secleinteer: incompletion? i have no problem with it at all
[22:12] <jabba> using it now, in fact.
[22:12] <secleinteer> jabba: well some people do ;)
[22:13] <jabba> what are the problems?
[22:13] <Daisuke_Ido> well, it was a necessary release
[22:13] <Daisuke_Ido> jabba: it would be easier to list what does work in kde4
[22:13] <secleinteer> jabba: no customizability
[22:13] <secleinteer> LOL
[22:13] <secleinteer> true
[22:13] <Daisuke_Ido> i still have high hopes for 4.1
[22:13] <jabba> wow. i wonder what i'm not doing, then
[22:14] <jabba> although, i guess i used the regular kubuntu install and then installed kde4 on top of it.
[22:14] <secleinteer> jabba: well i guess some people don't customize so much
[22:14] <jimmy51vinsky> sigh.  it looks like bonnie won't run in 8.04
[22:14] <secleinteer> i have a very unusual setup
[22:14] <jabba> secleinteer: i come from a mac and solaris background. i don't customize at all. :)
[22:14] <secleinteer> jabba: i come from a windows background, but that didn't stop me ;)
[22:15]  * jabba heads home
[22:29] <aracrazy> ehi
[22:32] <jimmy51vinsky> i've mounted a fat16 partition at /mnt/test.  how do i make it writeable?
[22:32] <shane_> where can i get a ubuntu link
[22:33] <SlimeyPete> shane_: you mean you want to download it?
[22:34] <shane_> no my keeboard wont let me make numbers sighn lol i just need the link on here
[22:34] <shane_> for irc
[22:35] <_Angelus_> anyone here tried kubuntu-kde4 ?
[22:36] <psyco> many of us
[22:36] <Odd-rationale> _Angelus_: yes i have...
[22:37] <_Angelus_> Odd-rationale: is it as good as kde3?
[22:37] <Odd-rationale> _Angelus_: it *will be* better ;)
[22:37] <Odd-rationale> but not yet...
[22:38] <Odd-rationale> it is still somewhat incomplete...
[22:38] <shane_> hey heres a better ? does anyone one know if any linux based OS will suport Dlink dl 510-g marvel chipset wireless card
[22:38] <Odd-rationale> basically and all linux distros can support the same hardware....
[22:39] <_Angelus_> Odd-rationale: so its not as good as kde3 yet??
[22:39] <psyco> _Angelus_: Its all personal opinion
[22:39] <Odd-rationale> _Angelus_: depends what you mean by good. it is better in some ways, but simply missing in others...Try out the live cd and see what you think...
[22:40] <greyfox> in /etc/network/interfaces what's the diffrerence between up and post-up ?
[22:40] <shane_> im using ubuntu latest version and im havin a heck of a time gettin it to take win driver once i add it to gedit and restart my system gives error and locks up i tryed using ubuntu irc and they sugested a fresh install so i wasted 40 mins doin that redid it and same thing
[22:41] <shane_> any one in hear have any ideas im new to linux as microcrap stated that i needed to purchase a new productkey since i had changed to much in my tower
[22:42] <shane_> and i wasnt wasting another 180$ on a new xp64
[22:43] <Odd-rationale> shane_: have you tried searching the ubuntu forums for that card?
[22:44] <shane_> yes and i followed there advise to a t
[22:45] <shane_> i no this is kubuntu not ubuntu but i tried the other irc and all the sugested was reinstall
[22:45] <Odd-rationale> shane_: so what do you got now? a non-working ubuntu install? are you on a live cd currently?
[22:46] <shane_> i have live cd
[22:46] <shane_> it goes on that
[22:46] <tailsfan> Hello, Can anyone help me dicipher this message: http://pastebin.ca/1018401
[22:46] <shane_> but not off hard
[22:46] <Odd-rationale> shane_: you mean the network card works in the livecd?
[22:48] <shane_> no
[22:48] <shane_> network doesnt do a thing
[22:48] <shane_> there are no drivers in linux for this card i have to wrap the win98 driver
[22:48] <Odd-rationale> shane_: what guide did you follow?
[22:49] <shane_> wifidocséDWL-G510
[22:49] <shane_> sorryÉ =/
[22:49] <Odd-rationale> shane_: could i take a look at the link?
[22:50] <shane_> 1 sec
[22:50] <Odd-rationale> np
[22:51] <tailsfan> Anyone?
[22:51] <shane_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/DWL-G510?highlight=(dwl-g510)
[22:53] <Odd-rationale> shane_: so where did you run into trouble?
[22:53] <shane_> as soon as i add ndiswrapper in gedit and restart
[22:54] <Odd-rationale> shane_: before that, did the driver work?
[22:54] <Odd-rationale> i mean the wireless card
[22:54] <shane_> i get a message saying error starting the gnome settings daemon
[22:54] <shane_> yes when it chose to
[22:55] <shane_> it sat dead for a few hrs and all of a sudden it came on
[22:55] <shane_> but network manager doesnt always pick it up
[22:56] <Odd-rationale> shane_: i'm sorry, i didn't quite catch what you are saying.... Right before you added ndiswrappter to the modules file, did your wireless work?
[22:56] <shane_> yes
[22:56] <Odd-rationale> shane_: but after, and a reboot. it didn't work?
[22:57] <shane_> after and reboot it wont even start ubuntu i get sighn in and then it locks
[22:57] <Xbehave_> if i ssh into a box how can i get a file from it to my local pc?
[22:58] <Odd-rationale> shane_: so this is the condition of your computer right now?
[22:58] <Odd-rationale> !ssh | Xbehave_
[22:58] <shane_> its sitting with the warning and a close squire that doesnt work
[22:58] <Odd-rationale> Xbehave_: there is a really good guide in the wiki ^
[22:59] <Xbehave_> thx
[22:59] <Odd-rationale> shane_: do you have that computer up right now, or are you using the live cd on it?
[22:59] <odp> hy
[22:59] <florian> Hi! I'm currently installing kubuntu 8.04. Everything works fine till i want to set the correct resolutions. I have 2 displays (1680x1050). One on dvi (works perfectly), one on vga which runs on 640x480 :-(
[22:59] <Odd-rationale> odp: welcome
[23:00] <shane_> no i am started on HD and it locks if i go through cd i cant change anything and i tryed failsafe mode and i get the same issue
[23:01] <shane_> what is the dif between kubuntu and ubuntu
[23:01] <Odd-rationale> shane_: what does the error message sya?
[23:01] <Odd-rationale> shane_: kubuntu uses kde. ubuntu uses gnome
[23:02] <Odd-rationale> different desktop environmetn
[23:02] <shane_> there was an error starting GNOME settings daemon
[23:02] <shane_> witch is better
[23:02] <shane_> and easier
[23:02] <Odd-rationale> shane_: neither is better...
[23:03] <Odd-rationale> shane_: try ctrl+alt+f2. do you see a login prompt? see if you can log in there...
[23:03] <shane_> is kubuntu harder to run
[23:03] <florian> I could use parts of my old X11-config, but i want to do something more 'official'
[23:03] <shane_> ok it gave me a screen for login
[23:03] <Daisuke_Ido> shane_: if the gnome settings daemon failed to run, log out and back in, you should be alright.
[23:03] <Odd-rationale> shane_: no kubuntu is not harder to run. it is just comestic differences and personal pref
[23:03] <Daisuke_Ido> oh.
[23:03] <Daisuke_Ido> that.
[23:04] <Daisuke_Ido> nevermind
[23:04] <Odd-rationale> Daisuke_Ido: what do you think if he deletes all his .gnome .gnome2 .config .gconf foleders? do you think that will solve it?
[23:04] <o0Chris0o> how do do I full upgrade using kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[23:05] <o0Chris0o> sudo apt-get kubuntu-kde4-desktop full?
[23:05] <Daisuke_Ido> i think it's a good shot
[23:05] <shane_> mabey i will try kubuntu on this system then i have ubuntu 64 on my other sys and it is fine but ubuntu doesnt like this driver
[23:05] <Odd-rationale> o0Chris0o: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[23:05] <Odd-rationale> shane_: have you logged in the console yet?
[23:06] <o0Chris0o> yeah I know that much, but the kde4 site says this:
[23:06] <o0Chris0o> nstructions:
[23:06] <o0Chris0o> The packages are in hardy-backports, available from Adept Manager when you choose Unsupported Updates from the Updates tab of Manage Repositories, kubuntu-kde4-desktop and do a full upgrade.
[23:06] <shane_> ok TY odd-rationale
[23:06] <Odd-rationale> shane_: is it working?
[23:06] <shane_> no it still locked it gave me a dos menu
[23:07] <Odd-rationale> shane_: where? when you tried to login via ctrl+alt+f2 ?
[23:07] <shane_> it didnt login it gave me a dos form page for comands
[23:07] <shane_> a terminal thats the word im lookin 4
[23:08] <Odd-rationale> shane_: oh ok like shane@shane-laptop~:$
[23:08] <Odd-rationale> ?
[23:08] <shane_> yes
[23:08] <Odd-rationale> shane_: perfect
[23:08] <Odd-rationale> shane_: try this...
[23:08] <shane_> ? how is that perfect
[23:09] <james_b> Can someone help me with a mouse issue/problem, please?
[23:09] <Odd-rationale> shane_: rm -rf .gnome/ gnome2/ .config/ .gconf/
[23:09] <Neo86> aloa guys
[23:09] <shane_> 1 sec ill get that page back i restart
[23:09] <Neo86> i have an problem with my amsn
[23:09] <Odd-rationale> shane_: ok
[23:10] <o0Chris0o> !kde4
[23:10] <james_b> I have a Logitech mouse with a wheel. Can a wheel click be "made into" a doubleclick like in Windoze?
[23:10] <Neo86> i have downloaded a plugin "transparent" and when i aktivat it, amsn says you need TK 8.5 but i have tk 8.5 installed from the adept manager
[23:11] <Neo86> whats there wrong?
[23:12] <Neo86> can anyone helps me please
[23:12] <o0Chris0o> !patience | Neo86
[23:12] <Odd-rationale> shane_: let me know when you are ready
[23:14] <shane_> it says rd:
[23:14] <Neo86> ah ok
[23:15] <Odd-rationale> shane_: it says what?
[23:15] <shane_> 1 sec im doin it again
[23:15] <Odd-rationale> shane_: rm -rf  gnome2/ .config/ .gconf/
[23:16] <Odd-rationale> shane_: that is the command to type ^
[23:16] <Odd-rationale> shane_: for get the other one i pasted
[23:16] <Odd-rationale> shane_: sorry hold one moment....
[23:16] <shane_> rm: invalid option -- t
[23:17] <Odd-rationale> shane_: rm -rf  .gnome2/ .config/ .gconf/
[23:18] <Odd-rationale> shane_: any errors now?
[23:18] <shane_> ok that just gave me a new line
[23:18] <Odd-rationale> ok
[23:18] <shane_> no errors just a new line
[23:18] <Odd-rationale> shane_: try this now
[23:19] <Odd-rationale> shane_: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[23:20] <Odd-rationale> shane_: let me know when that is done...
[23:20] <shane_> went down one line but is blank this time
[23:20] <florian> Another question: i have installed kubuntu in german, kde4apps are running with german messages, kde3apps runs in english...
[23:21] <Odd-rationale> shane_: try ctrl+alt+f7
[23:21] <Odd-rationale> shane_: try to logg in again...
[23:22] <shane_> it locked on that page again but this time there was no writing in the box im restartin machine
[23:23] <shane_> ok back to lockup with message ctrl alt f2 É
[23:23] <shane_> ?
[23:23] <Odd-rationale> yeah
[23:24] <Odd-rationale> hold on brb.
[23:24] <shane_> ok i have the shane-p42gig login page
[23:24] <shane_> and i have a comand line
[23:24] <shane_> kk
[23:26] <Odd-rationale> shane_: try: sudo adduser
[23:26] <Odd-rationale> shane_: we'll create a new user an see if that user can log in...
[23:26] <shane_> new blank line
[23:27] <david_> hola
[23:27] <shane_> didnt do anything just gave new line
[23:27] <david_> boas noites
[23:28] <david_> MOI boas noites, ejem
[23:28] <Odd-rationale> !es | david_
[23:28] <david_> ok, genial
[23:28] <david_> chau
[23:29] <Odd-rationale> shane_: ok i really gtg sorry...
[23:29] <shane_> no prob TY
[23:51] <el1te> hi al
[23:52] <el1te> im at the kubuntu site and i think im gonna get the 8.04 remix but isnt there a dvd 4.7gigs instead of the 70meg iso
[23:52] <el1te> 700meg iso*
[23:53] <billyd> elite - watch out for A Beta Firefox -  - think it is on  update -.  Don't think it was on my DVD
[23:53] <el1te> so i should probably just get the 700meg iso?
[23:54] <el1te> for the remix
[23:55] <el1te> why is it a remix after all....i mean there is a kubuntu 8.04 why didnt they just put kde 4.0 in taht
[23:55] <el1te> anyone here?
[23:55] <billyd> I got the DVD in hope KDE $ was on it, but it wasn't.  Not sure if the data on the DVD is any more than the data on the CD
[23:57] <el1te> billyd are you using the remix
[23:58] <el1te> how do you like kde 4.0
[23:58] <billyd> No - I got the regular Live/Install DVD from DiscountLinux
[23:58] <billyd> It didn't conatian KDE 4
[23:58] <el1te> ah
[23:59] <el1te> did you install it though
[23:59] <billyd> One reason I want KDE 4 is PalmPilot sychronization
[23:59] <florian> How can i add a user in kde4?
[23:59] <billyd> Kubuntu is more difficulat than SUSE in that regard
[23:59] <el1te> dont kde 4.0 supposed to have a taskbar like vista? i mean it looks better then it did in kde 3.5 didnt it?
[23:59] <billyd> NO - did not install