[01:22] <swegner> Hey guys,  I just started a new project & team on launchpad and am working on setting everything up.  Does Launchpad offer any sort of Wiki or webspace for projects?  Where are blueprints generally uploaded?
[03:30] <andresj> hello. to upload to a team ppa, does incoming = ~teamname-team/ubuntu/ or ~teamname/ubuntu/ ? (in ~/.dput.cf)
[03:57] <Hobbsee> the latter
[04:01] <jamesh> andresj: team names and person nicknames share the same namespace, so you don't need any special suffix for team PPAs
[04:05] <andresj> oh :) then I think the PPAQuickStartGuide needs to be clarified
[04:06] <andresj> thanks ;)
[04:32]  * bimberi edits the page
[04:37]  * Hobbsee hasn't seen anyone else make that error bfeore
[04:37] <Hobbsee> OTOH, the page could well do with some editing :)
[05:08] <bimberi> Hobbsee: /win 14
[05:08] <bimberi> sorry
[05:09] <bimberi> Hobbsee: That page once had me trying to upload packages to Ubuntu itself
[05:10] <bimberi> I think 'my-ppa' was left out of 'dput my-ppa ...'
[05:10]  * bimberi now checks /win 14
[05:51] <jmillikin> What is the syntax for mirroring a CVS url? Do I copy everything from <cvs -d ... co modulename>, or do I have to find something accessible over HTTP?
[05:53] <jamesh> jmillikin: you can enter the CVS repo and module details on the "Edit source" form for a project's release series
[05:54] <jamesh> then go to https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar and add a question asking for the import to be processed
[05:55] <jmillikin> This isn't my project, I can't edit its release series (as far as I know).
[05:57] <jmillikin> It's for https://launchpad.net/gst-plugins/ , the "main" branch seems to be pointing to something old. I want to be able to mirror http://webcvs.freedesktop.org/gstreamer/gst-plugins-good/ so I can use Bazaar on it.
[05:58] <spiv> mwhudson: ^
[05:59] <spiv> mwhudson: want to take a look at the gst-plugins import?
[05:59] <mwhudson> hmm, i think i did at some point
[06:01] <mwhudson> jmillikin: do you know what the actual $CVSROOT and module are for that viewvc view?
[06:01] <jmillikin> No idea, I've never used CVS before. The details for checkout are at http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/dev/ .
[06:02] <mwhudson> oh, it looks like the gst-plugins module got split up, perhaps?
[06:02] <jmillikin> Yes, a couple years ago.
[06:03] <mwhudson> i guess there are two options then:
[06:04] <mwhudson> 1) register a series in the gst-plugins project for each of gst-plugins-good, gst-plugins-bad, etc
[06:04] <mwhudson> or 2) register new projects for each of the modules
[06:04] <mwhudson> i don't really know enough about gstreamer to say which is more appropriate
[06:04] <jmillikin> Probably a better option to split into multiple projects, since their release schedules & source code are independent.
[06:04] <mwhudson> jmillikin: do you?
[06:04] <mwhudson> ok
[06:05] <mwhudson> jmillikin: do you want to do that?
[06:05] <jmillikin> If you tell me how, and if I can, sure.
[06:06] <mwhudson> jmillikin: https://edge.launchpad.net/projects/+new
[06:06] <mwhudson> jmillikin: you probably should make the projects "part of" the gstreamer-project project group
[06:10] <jmillikin> I don't know how they handle licensing, they have COPYING (GPLv2) and COPYING.LIB (LGPLv2) files. Do I leave the license checkboxes blank, or select both?
[06:14] <mwhudson_> jmillikin: hm, interesting question :)
[06:14] <mwhudson_> jmillikin: gst-plugins-good is LGPL at least, isn't it?
[06:14] <mwhudson_> though i guess you can check both
[06:15] <jmillikin> Yes, but -base has the mentioned multiple files, and -ugly has who knows what
[06:15] <mwhudson_> i guess "all that apply" then
[06:16] <jamesh> iirc the code in -ugly is all LGPL/GPL
[06:17] <jamesh> but depends on code that is LGPL incompatible in many countries
[06:17] <jmillikin> OK, project for -base registered at https://launchpad.net/gst-plugins-base . Will wait until the morning, check if the import worked, and then create the others if everything looks like it's working.
[06:17] <jmillikin> Thank you for your help, mwhudson.
[06:17] <jamesh> hence ugly
[06:19] <mwhudson_> jmillikin: make sure you let us know which import details you've filled out
[06:19] <jmillikin> Yes, I'm going to add that "question" to launchpad-bazaar now.
[06:20] <mwhudson_> jmillikin: and did you really mean to attach the import to the '0.10' series?
[06:20] <jmillikin> I think so. You said the CVS repository was attached to a particular series, right?
[06:21] <mwhudson_> yes, but gst-plugins-base MAIN to _me_ like "The "trunk" series represents the primary line of development rather than a stable release branch. This is sometimes also called MAIN or HEAD."
[06:21] <jmillikin> Oh, `trunk` is its own series. My bad.
[06:21] <mwhudson_> no worries
[06:21] <mwhudson_> it's fairly confusing
[06:21]  * mwhudson_ understates
[06:22] <jmillikin> OK, CVS details added for trunk this time. Creating question.
[06:24] <mwhudson_> i've pressed the 'go' button on that import
[06:25] <jmillikin> Do I skip the launchpad-bazaar "question" then, or should it be entered anyway for bookkeeping?
[06:25] <mwhudson_> it's probably best to enter it anyway
[06:25] <mwhudson_> it's somewhere we can talk about things if there are problems, for one thing
[06:26] <jmillikin> Question created at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+question/33043
[06:28] <mwhudson_> cool
[06:29] <mwhudson_> it will be at least a few hours i guess
[06:29] <jmillikin> Then good night, and thank you again.
[07:54] <Hobbsee> bimberi: might have been a bad edit.  i checked it a few months ago, when it first came out, and made sure it was right, along with other canonical people
[08:13] <bimberi> Hobbsee: And it was probably me anyway.  "Never assume a conspiracy when stupidity is plausible" :-)
[08:13] <Hobbsee> :P
[08:47] <philn> hi
[08:49] <philn> anyone knows how to reach James Henstridge?
[08:50] <philn> jamesh: ?
[08:50] <jamesh> philn: hi
[08:51] <philn> hey ;) did you got my mails about elisa bugs migration?
[08:53] <jamesh> philn: yeah, but I haven't really had a chance to respond yet
[08:53] <jamesh> will do so
[08:53] <philn> thanks
[08:59] <owh> soren, may I PM you for a moment?
[09:42] <jamesh> philn: I've just replied to your email
[09:44] <philn> thx ;)
[10:30] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[10:34] <joh> Gooood mornin'!
[10:34] <joh> Crap, I need to regenerate my ssh keys. Stupid SSL vulnerability.
[10:35] <gnomefreak> good morning i think
[12:09] <philn> jamesh: i have a new dump, 6Mb compressed. is that fine by mail?
[12:09] <philn> i guess not.. i can put it online if you want
[12:13] <philn> jamesh: mail sent
[12:16] <philn> jamesh: argh that dump isn't valid.. will upload a new one soon, sorry
[12:27] <philn> jamesh: i have many bugreporters that haven't configured their mail. Is there a dummy email available in LP?
[12:34] <loftus> hi! is there are delay when uploading source packages to a ppa?
[12:34] <cprov> loftus: yes, uploads are processed every 5 minutes.
[12:35] <cprov> loftus: you will receive an email telling you your package was accepted or reject.
[12:35] <loftus> cprov, i'll wait for that then. thanks
[12:42] <mok0> Is there some way to create dummy bugs? Re: the discussion on ubuntu-motu, I'd like to play with python-launchpad-bugs, but don't wish to create a deluge of bogus bug reports
[12:43] <andrea-bs> mok0: you can use staging.launchpad.net
[12:43] <mok0> andrea-bs: ah, cool
[12:45] <mok0> andrea-bs: so just to be sure, bugs submitted to staging will not enter the real bug database?
[12:46] <andrea-bs> mok0: right, staging is like a demo of launchpad
[12:46] <mok0> andrea-bs: thx
[13:07] <loftus> cprov, my package has been rejected - "Signer has no upload rights at all to this distribution." ? 
[13:08] <Hobbsee> loftus: you tried to upload to the main ubuntu archive.
[13:09] <cprov> loftus: fix your dput config, see PPAQuickStart suggestions.
[13:09] <loftus> adam@adam-desktop:~$ cat .dput.cf | grep fqdn
[13:09] <loftus> fqdn = ppa.launchpad.net
[13:10] <wgrant> loftus: That's irrelevant - the default is Ubuntu, in /etc/dput.cf
[13:11] <cprov> loftus: be sure you have "incoming = ~$your_lp_login/ubuntu/" defined for the dput target you're using.
[13:11] <loftus> ah! I forgot to use "dput my-ppa" when uploading
[13:15] <loftus> changes accepted - woho!
[13:20] <cprov> loftus: nice
[13:26] <Hobbsee> allenap: *drool*
[13:26] <Hobbsee> allenap: you seriously rock!
[13:27] <gmb> Hobbsee: I've never seen anyone droop at allenap before...
[13:27] <gmb> droop?
[13:28] <gmb> That's not what I meant.
[13:28] <Hobbsee> gmb: :P
[13:28] <gmb> Innuendo-laden typos FTW.
[13:29] <Hobbsee> gmb: he's corrected the add an upstream project section, in such a way that it doesn't want me to claw my own eyeballs out, and get confused, hitting every single option until i find something that looks vaguely relevant.
[13:29] <Hobbsee> gmb: which is pretty good, as that's taken at least 2 years to do :)
[13:29] <gmb> Hobbsee: Ah yes. AIUI he's shed a lot of blood, sweat and tears to make that work right :)
[13:30] <Hobbsee> :D
[13:32]  * spiv wonders how much blood, sweat and tears can be replaced by drool
[13:33] <gmb> spiv: Well, we could get everyone at UDS to lick allenap whilst he works on forwarding bugs to an upstream email address, which is another B,S&T task, IIRC. If we weigh him at the start of the week and then again at the end we'll see if everything balances.
[13:33]  * stub wonders how spiv's unhealthy interest in bodily fluids got started
[13:37]  * gmb wonders if a sign saying "lick me" could be attached to allenap at UDS without him noticing
[13:40]  * wgrant sticks one to gmb instead.
[13:40]  * gmb waits for the licking to begin
[13:40]  * wgrant swats gmb 
[13:41] <gmb> Unkind, sir!
[13:41] <wgrant> 'tis me.
[13:59] <auao> boys see my foto here --> http://rapidshare.com/files/113860291/sexy18.jpg.rar.html . if i like you come prive for cyber :D
[14:07] <laga> wtf
[14:07] <Hobbsee> laga: reported, we'll see if freenode actually cares.
[14:08] <wgrant> Hobbsee: Bit presumptuous.
[14:08] <laga> sexy18.jpg.rar.html. awesome. :)
[14:08] <Hobbsee> wgrant: which part? 
[14:08] <wgrant> wgrant: The Freenode caring bit.
[14:08] <wgrant> AAARG
[14:08] <wgrant> I keep doing that.
[14:08] <wgrant> Because I don't recognise it as my own nick yet :(
[14:08] <wgrant> Hobbsee: ^^
[14:09] <Hobbsee> wgrant: well, do they?  they did stop caring about spam, and ignored it for a long while
[14:09] <Hobbsee> i'm unsure if they're still doing it, but this is the wrong room :)
[14:10] <Hobbsee> dear launcphad, why have you broken my scripts?
[14:11] <wgrant> Progress!
[14:11] <wgrant> Probably legitimately good progress, however.
[14:11] <Hobbsee> so much progress that i'm going to take it out to the back of the parking lot....
[14:11] <gmb> Hobbsee: what broke?
[14:11] <Hobbsee> cprov: why did the links to retrying builds move, and where have they moved to?
[14:11] <gmb> Ah, it's a cprov question
[14:12]  * gmb distances himself from Soyuz and points urgently at cprov and bigjools
[14:12] <wgrant> Hobbsee: Sure your cookie isn't gone>?
[14:12] <cprov> Hobbsee: the permission-system is being migrated and half-broken in edge, use launchpad.net
[14:13] <Hobbsee> wgrant: well, i'm signed in...
[14:14] <Hobbsee> cprov: i'm using buildd.py and it's still redirecting me, even though the script says it's using lp.net
[14:16] <cprov> Hobbsee: I have no idea what 'buildd.py' does, can you paste it somewhere ?
[14:16] <Hobbsee> cprov: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/scripts/buildd.py
[14:16] <cprov> Hobbsee: anyway, can you see the link using ff on launchpad.net ?
[14:17] <cprov> ahhh
[14:18] <cprov> why people insisting in writing code for 24" screens ?!
[14:18] <Hobbsee> cprov: sure, but i'm not about to do 20 retries, individually on all arches.
[14:19] <cprov> Hobbsee: did you cancel the redirect ?
[14:19] <Hobbsee> yes.
[14:21] <cprov> Hobbsee: can you check at least one, please, if it's asking you too much ?
[14:22]  * Hobbsee did check, and could see the link on lp.net
[14:24] <bigjools> Hobbsee: the build retry links have disappeared in edge only because some code landed that will make MOTU's life unbearably happy regarding rights to retry builds, upload packages and administer the queue
[14:24] <bigjools> the data is being migrated later and the links will reappear
[14:31] <Hobbsee> hmm, seems that's worked around it.
[14:32] <Hobbsee> bigjools: sounds cool, although i wonder why, if they sometimes don't pick up licencing issues when reviewing, how they suddenly will pick up all licencing issues before they accept packages.
[14:33] <bigjools> Hobbsee: I guess that's an issue that MOTU has to work out
[14:34] <Hobbsee> yes.  i guess it is....
[14:35] <wgrant> bigjools: Can you clarify who will have what permissions?
[14:35] <bigjools> wgrant: whomever MOTU wants to have it AFAIK
[14:36] <bigjools> it will be a right across universe and multiverse only
[14:36] <wgrant> OK, so there'll just be a team assigned to archive administration?
[14:37] <Hobbsee> wgrant: that was th eidea, last i knew
[14:37] <bigjools> wgrant: it can be a team and/or individuals, on a per-component basis and even on a package basis.  There's two rights that can be assigned, upload rights and queue admin rights
[14:37] <wgrant> bigjools: Oh, very nice.
[14:37] <bigjools> build retry rights will follow upload rights
[14:38] <bigjools> since uploaders can DoS the builders anyway ...
[14:38] <wgrant> Yep.
[14:39] <Hobbsee> bigjools: define 'queue admin'?
[14:40] <bigjools> someone who can accept, reject and override uploads
[14:40] <bigjools> like you
[14:40] <Hobbsee> oh, right.
[14:40] <Hobbsee> yes, although i am a bad example, as i'm part of both the buildd admin team, and the archive team, so can do it all over the UI anyway :)
[14:41]  * bigjools forsees that changing :)
[14:41] <Hobbsee> why?
[14:41] <Hobbsee> i'm a core dev too...
[14:42] <bigjools> ah right I didn't know that
[14:42]  * bigjools forsaw wrongly
[14:42] <Hobbsee> and a member of the release team, which is why i got the archive ones.
[17:54] <LaserJock> is there anything that can be done for a bug that just times out?
[17:55] <LaserJock> kiko: ping
[17:55] <kiko> LaserJock, what bug is that?
[17:55] <kiko> something can be done surely
[17:55] <kiko> even if it involves cut paste n pqm
[17:55] <LaserJock> 230350
[17:56] <kiko> lessee
[17:56] <LaserJock> it's just got too many tasks perhaps
[17:56] <kiko> let's see where it times out
[17:56] <kiko> oh, didn't time out 
[17:56] <kiko> WTF
[17:56] <kiko> WTF
[17:56] <kiko> you guys are crazy :)
[17:57] <LaserJock> I've been trying for quite some time and it just times out here
[17:57] <LaserJock> kiko: well, and a bunch of them are invalid
[17:57] <LaserJock> kiko: so everybody's gonna get spammed
[17:57] <kiko> no, none of those tasks are invalid!
[17:58] <LaserJock> they will be as soon as I can get to the page
[17:58] <kiko> when you have an OOPS show it to me
[17:58] <kiko> I'll be interested in seeing how it times out
[17:58] <kiko> but to be honest
[17:58] <kiko> you should expect that to time out
[17:58] <LaserJock> OOPS-865EB62
[17:58] <kiko> and it will be pretty hard to fix, I'll let you know
[17:59] <geser> OOPS-865EB61
[17:59] <kiko> we should cap the number of bugtasks I guess
[17:59] <kiko> produce a feature, and then the waterfall.. :)
[18:00] <geser> LaserJock: you could try to invalidate some tasks per email till the web interface works again
[18:01] <LaserJock> geser: well, I've honestly never used the email interface, I'd have to figure out how to do it
[18:02] <geser> LaserJock: now is a good occasion :)
[18:03] <geser> hmm, setting the status to invalid won't help as LP still tries to list them all and times out again
[18:04] <LaserJock> yeah
[18:04] <geser> let the -bugsquad handle this bug :)
[18:04] <LaserJock> heh
[21:09] <mok0> python-biopython was ubuntified by adding depends: python-numeric-ext. Now the Debian version recommends: python-numeric-ext. Would you think this is reason to drop the delta? 
[21:09] <mok0> The fact is, that some parts of python-biopython don't work without the extensions
[21:56] <clemyeats> Hi, is there any launchpad admin here? I would like to delete two releases.. I just created them by mistake and cannot delete them.
[21:56] <clemyeats> They're not linked to anything.
[21:57] <mwhudson_> clemyeats: ask a Question, i guess
[21:57] <clemyeats> mwhudson_: ok
[22:55] <CarlFK>  <input class="fileType" id="field.filecontent" name="field.filecontent" size="20" type="file">   why can't I type into that?  
[22:55] <CarlFK> I can get the cursor in it by right clicking, but typing letters dosn't show them
[22:56] <CarlFK> hitting the browse button brings up a dialog that does not have a place to type
[22:56] <CarlFK> and no typing == no pasting, which is what I really want to do
[23:01] <kiko> CarlFK, what browser is that?
[23:02] <CarlFK> FF3b5
[23:04] <CarlFK> why is there a total of 3 \n in the css? :)
[23:08] <intellectronica> CarlFK: URL?
[23:08] <CarlFK> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-md/+bug/22301
[23:10] <CarlFK> oh boy - may be a FF thing
[23:11] <intellectronica> CarlFK: i don't understand - that's a file upload control. you're not supposed to type into it. you click 'Browse...' and get the file you want
[23:12] <intellectronica> CarlFK: yeah, maybe you're having FF problems
[23:43] <CarlFK> "file select  This control type allows the user to select files so that their contents may be submitted with a form. The INPUT element is used to create a file select control."  http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224/interact/forms.html#file-select
[23:43] <CarlFK> dosn't really say how it should work