[00:01] <o0Chris0o> I have no idea o.0
[00:05] <troy_s> God.
[00:05] <troy_s> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Fela_Kuti
[00:06] <o0Chris0o> hey I am new
[00:06] <o0Chris0o> I didn't know
[00:06] <troy_s> o0Chris0o: No not you... but it should be easy to find out the info.
[00:06] <troy_s> o0Chris0o: Alternately, I believe the 'AUTHORS' file of every source package will list the relevant folks.
[00:07] <o0Chris0o> I see
[05:23] <o0Chris0o> bah ;) I don't know where to start
[05:47] <o0Chris0o> I am new, I just want to make some decent wall papers and logos, some splash images..etc
[06:11] <troy_s> o0Chris0o: Then go for it.
[06:11] <troy_s> o0Chris0o: Don't worry about anything else.
[06:11] <troy_s> o0Chris0o: Just do.
[06:14] <o0Chris0o> sounsd good :)
[06:17] <troy_s> o0Chris0o: There are many people who would love to see what you are capable of.
[06:17] <troy_s> o0Chris0o: I wouldn't let trying to follow the tendrils of Ubuntu art and design main foible you.
[06:18] <troy_s> o0Chris0o: Ubuntu isn't there yet.  Maybe try Fedora.  That said, it isn't like the Fedora camp has done anything art / design wise that should garner any attention since F7
[06:18] <troy_s> o0Chris0o: 8 and the ever worse 9 are yikes.
[06:19] <o0Chris0o> I never used fedora
[06:26] <DanaG> 8 was fine-ish, 9 was ugly.
[06:27] <DanaG> SuSE 9.2 was nice, 9.3 was about the same, but everything thereafter was worse.
[06:27] <o0Chris0o> how do I install the ubuntu font?
[06:28] <troy_s> DanaG: 8 was far far far away from fine.  Diana _was_ the stunning Fedora work.  When she left, there was nothing.
[06:29] <troy_s> DanaG: Just look at how completely mediocre 8 was -- tonally, conceptually, execution, _everything_.
[06:29] <DanaG> I guess that's what I meant by fine-ish.  Mediocre is a better word.
[06:29] <troy_s> DanaG: Unfortunately, when you set a bar with 7, it doesn't even reach mediocre.
[06:29] <DanaG> Oh, did you mean "artist" instead of "work"?  "Diana" is the name of a person....
[06:29] <troy_s> DanaG: Diana Fong.
[06:29] <troy_s> DanaG: MFA
[06:30] <DanaG> MFA?  Oh, perhaps you're being tricky with the use of "WAS".
[06:31] <troy_s> DanaG: Lol.  No.  Masters of Fine Arts.
[06:32] <DanaG> AAh.
[06:33] <DanaG> Sorry, I was just hung up on the wording: [A person] was the [work].
[06:34] <troy_s> DanaG: Well I intended it to be that "Diana was everything to do with Fedora's success."
[06:35] <DanaG> Aah.
[06:47] <o0Chris0o> where can I download the ubuntu font?
[06:51] <o0Chris0o> so I am able to use it in artwork
[06:52] <savvas> isn't it included already?
[06:53] <BHSPitLappy> It's called Continuum
[06:53] <BHSPitLappy> and it's downloadable from the same part of the site where you can get other official artwork
[06:53] <BHSPitLappy> Google harder
[06:54] <o0Chris0o> lol
[06:54] <o0Chris0o> excuse me for asking first
[06:54] <o0Chris0o> sorry, didn't think it was a problem
[06:55] <savvas> o0Chris0o: sudo apt-get install ttf-ubuntu-title
[06:55] <savvas> :)
[06:56] <o0Chris0o> thanks savvas
[06:56] <savvas> or here heh: http://www.dafont.com/ubuntu-title.font
[07:04] <troy_s> o0Chris0o: It's in the repos.
[07:04] <troy_s> o0Chris0o: savvas gave you the proper repository version iirc.
[07:05] <o0Chris0o> ok
[07:05] <o0Chris0o> so its not the right one
[07:06] <savvas> hm?
[07:07] <troy_s> o0Chris0o: No, what savvas said was the exact command to get it to your desktop.  There _is_ a modified version out there that is more professional looking, but it hasn't been adopted yet.
[07:08] <troy_s> o0Chris0o: (and by more professional I mean that in the most typical of fashions -- more sculpted bowls with tapered axis lines etc.)
[07:09] <o0Chris0o> I see
[07:09] <savvas> !!
[07:09] <savvas> where? :)
[07:09] <savvas> you have the link troy_s ?
[07:09] <troy_s> savvas: Let me find it for you.
[07:10] <o0Chris0o> I wish it was that easy when I asked first
[07:10] <o0Chris0o> all I get is "google harder"
[07:10] <o0Chris0o> lol
[07:10] <o0Chris0o> j/k
[07:10] <troy_s> savvas: http://betatype.com/node/36
[07:10] <troy_s> lol
[07:11] <troy_s> DON'T GOOGLE THAT term... ;)
[07:12] <savvas> mm sweet! thanks
[07:13] <troy_s> savvas: Don't expect matches though.
[07:13] <troy_s> savvas: He introduced a slightly modified humanist axis IIRC.
[07:13] <troy_s> savvas: Although it is subtle.
[07:14] <DanaG> Sure would be easier to tell with a side-by-side comparison pic.
[07:14] <DanaG> Or over-under comparison.
[07:14] <troy_s> DanaG: Not exactly unless you are sort of knowing what you are looking for.
[07:14] <troy_s> DanaG: The biggest shift to get it more professional is the introduction of an axis.
[07:15] <DanaG> Right now it's Apples and...... oh wait, the other one isn't even here.  Great.
[07:15] <troy_s> DanaG: From what I have seen of it, it is homogenous (as opposed to say, a post modern font with non homogenous axis).
[07:15] <troy_s> DanaG: Did you type that line of savvas ?
[07:15] <troy_s> DanaG: sudo aptitude install ttf-ubuntu-title
[07:15] <DanaG> By "not even here" -- I mean in the page.
[07:16] <troy_s> DanaG: ???
[07:16] <DanaG> Otherwise, I have to install both fonts, and type up my own thing with both fonts.
[07:16] <troy_s> DanaG: You can have both co-existing as they are under different names.
[07:16] <troy_s> DanaG: If you are interested.
[07:18] <DanaG> ah.  My whole point was that the web page itself would be better if it showed a comparison for us.
[07:18] <DanaG> The actual differences don't concern me much -- I don't use the font myself, for anything.
[07:18] <troy_s> DanaG: Oh... you need to be familiar with the font to appreciate what he did to it.  And even then, by and large, most casual onlookers would probably not see much of a difference between the Fedora font and Ubuntu's anyways.
[07:18] <troy_s> (rightfully so.)
[07:20] <DanaG> Aah.
[07:20] <DanaG> That reminds me... font rendering is one of my big reasons for using Linux as my primary OS.
[07:21] <DanaG> DejaVu fonts and subpixel rendering -- sure beats Cleartype.  The latter actually makes my eyes hurt.
[07:21] <troy_s> DanaG: Font rendering is largely bound up with patent restrictions which is, by and large, why Linux's isn't quite as good as say, MacOSXs
[07:21] <DanaG> Between OS X and Linux... they look quite different, but the actual subjective "quality" as a scalar-- I can't decide which I like better, actually.
[07:21] <troy_s> DanaG: The main issue is the hinting logic as the rendering engines have proprietary and patent restricted uses of the byte code hinting.
[07:22] <troy_s> DanaG: There has been some great work done on the free rendering front for certain.
[07:23] <savvas> did anyone hear who won the launchpad logo or which decision was made regarding the logo contest?
[07:24] <savvas> all they say at the website is "The contest is now closed and a decision has been reached!" :\
[07:24] <o0Chris0o> is ubuntu-studio a flavor of ubuntu?
[07:25] <o0Chris0o> nvm
[07:26] <o0Chris0o> do any of you guys use it ;)
[07:26] <savvas> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/hardy/release/ :p
[07:27] <o0Chris0o> cool, do any of ya's use it :)
[07:27] <o0Chris0o> looks pretty cool
[07:28] <troy_s> o0Chris0o: One of the devs (the head one) lives in here.
[07:28] <o0Chris0o> heh
[07:28] <troy_s> o0Chris0o: _ MMA_ (I added the space to avoid pinging him)
[07:29] <o0Chris0o> cool
[07:29] <troy_s> savvas: And no, no decision.  If history serves as any indicator, don't hold your breath.  ;)
[07:34] <savvas> ah ok
[07:36] <troy_s> savvas: There is also a very likely probability (well likely is probably strong) that they dislike all of the submissions.
[07:37] <troy_s> savvas: Which is a bit of a weak point in the whole 'contest' system of design.
[07:39] <savvas> they should let the people decide, not the devs
[07:39] <savvas> :\
[07:39] <troy_s> savvas: Make no mistake, voting isn't a good path for innovative design either.  Arguably not even not-so-innovative.
[07:40] <savvas> true, very true
[07:41] <troy_s> savvas: There just isn't some sort of silver bullet to alleviate anything as complicated as art and design woes.
[08:15] <o0Chris0o> I got a question, if you find a peice of artwork online...a good backdrop for  what you want..would I be able to use it?
[08:45] <kwwii> o0Chris0o: it depends on where it comes from and the license it is under
[08:50] <o0Chris0o> thats the thing
[08:50] <o0Chris0o> how do you tell?
[08:50] <o0Chris0o> lol
[08:50] <o0Chris0o> photobucket
[08:53] <kwwii> you talk to the author
[08:53] <kwwii> or look for any information which is posted with the pictures
[08:54] <o0Chris0o> I see
[08:54] <o0Chris0o> hmm
[09:05] <o0Chris0o> I dunno, I am so used to doing stuff for myself instead of "commerically" lol I never asked permission to use work I found of the net
[09:13] <o0Chris0o> you know of any image upload sites that will temporary save the address? so I can show others the work
[09:14] <o0Chris0o> ahh nvm, I rememered one tinypic ;)
[09:15] <o0Chris0o> its beena while since I messed arund with graphics
[09:15] <o0Chris0o> but here we go http://i32.tinypic.com/w8t6wz.jpg
[09:27] <o0Chris0o> if I were to use this as a wallpaper and send it in, I would most likely have to talk to the author or find the author :)
[09:27] <o0Chris0o> am kinda rusty still
[09:29] <o0Chris0o> kwwii ^
[09:32] <kwwii> o0Chris0o: hey, pretty nifty
[09:32] <o0Chris0o> ehh I can do better, but just trying to get the feel of girmp, a lil different then photoshop
[09:32] <o0Chris0o> gimp*
[09:33] <kwwii> yeah, gimp is really different than photoshop
[09:33] <kwwii> from time to time I still use photoshop because of that :-)
[09:33] <o0Chris0o> if I had a mac
[09:33] <kwwii> but don't tell anyone
[09:33] <o0Chris0o> Id love to get photoshop
[09:33] <kwwii> :p
[09:33] <o0Chris0o> oooo!
[09:33] <o0Chris0o> its handy
[09:33] <o0Chris0o> whast the newest out now photoshop 3?
[09:34] <o0Chris0o> CS3
[09:34] <kwwii> yes, I think so
[09:35] <o0Chris0o> what if you can't find an author of a picture?
[09:35] <o0Chris0o> or backdrop
[09:35] <kwwii> then it is probably best not to use it
[09:35] <DanaG> Ugh, that background reminds me of a low-quality CRT.
[09:35] <DanaG> .... such as a standard TV.
[09:36] <o0Chris0o> yeah thats one of the plugins I used in gimp
[09:36] <kwwii> well, for the wallpaper it is probably best to not use lines like that as it will sometimes be scaled down and that will cause a moire effect
[09:38] <o0Chris0o> I see
[09:38] <DanaG> And try putting it on a cube and rotating that cube.
[09:38] <o0Chris0o> compiz?
[09:39] <DanaG> Yeah.
[09:39] <o0Chris0o> does it look like crap or something?
[09:44] <DanaG> Yeah.
[09:44] <DanaG> Closely spaced parallel lines do, that is.
[09:46] <o0Chris0o> I see, trying to get ccsm running but the window froze
[09:46] <o0Chris0o> weird
[09:46] <o0Chris0o> can't close it out
[09:47] <o0Chris0o> ahh I like the terminal comes in handy to kill things
[09:48] <o0Chris0o> brb
[10:36] <savvas> would this be a nice start for an ibex wallpaper? :) http://savvas.radevic.com/previews/ubuntu-ibex/ubuntu-ibex-0.1.png
[10:39] <kwwii> looks more like a poster to me
[10:39] <kwwii> I like the idea of using some kind of stylized ibex though
[10:40] <DanaG> I hope we get something as cool as the current Heron.
[10:41] <DanaG> I'm actually using the transparent SVG version (linked right above the "gdm theme" screenshot on the wiki).
[10:45] <o0Chris0o> ibex is a type of ram huh
[10:48] <o0Chris0o> I am out guys bbl
[10:48] <o0Chris0o> have fun, have an art-tastic day!
[10:48] <o0Chris0o> lol
[10:54] <kwwii> hehe, see you
[12:28] <savvas> kwwii: it's still in development, I got about 5 months to finish it :P
[12:46] <kwwii> savvas: hehe :-)
[13:11] <DanaG> Oh hey, random thing about day transitions:  this ending theme here does it:
[13:11] <DanaG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB70vGTigh0
[20:48] <thorwil> mean. there has been an edit on https://help.launchpad.net/logo/submissions this morning. now you can read a decision has been made
[20:48] <thorwil> but still no word on which one it will be
[20:54] <o0Chris0o> cool alot of nice logos
[20:54] <o0Chris0o> I bet it was tuff
[20:55] <thorwil> sure