[06:56] <james_w> morning all
[06:56] <asac> hi
[06:56] <evand> hello
[06:56] <doko> good morning
[06:56] <slangasek> morning
[06:56] <liw> greetings and salutations and wishes of goodwill
[06:56] <calc> hello
[06:57] <asac> welcome liw \o/
[06:57] <james_w> hi liw, great to have you here.
[06:58] <ArneGoetje> hi
[06:58] <ogra> *yawn*
[06:58] <ogra> welcome liw !
[07:06] <cjwatson> sorry I'm late
[07:07]  * cjwatson has been up rather too late dealing with world on fire, and so slept in
[07:07] <cjwatson> ok, so firstly (though I see you already dealt with this), welcome to Lars, who joins us this week from the QA team
[07:09]  * slangasek applauds
[07:09]  * asac hugs liw 
[07:09] <ogra> yay
[07:09] <cjwatson> Lars joins us with no pre-decided speciality, so we'll likely spend the next week at UDS figuring out what he's doing ;-)
[07:09]  * doko wonders what can we dump on him?
[07:09] <cjwatson> thanks to whomever phoned me to wake me up, BTW, assuming that was one of you
[07:09] <asac> hehe
[07:10] <evand> welcome liw
[07:10] <liw> thanks, everyone
[07:11] <cjwatson> bryce had one agenda item, which I'll deal with first
[07:11] <cjwatson>  - what will the dates be for the next London sprint?
[07:11] <bryce> hi all
[07:11]  * asac listens
[07:12] <cjwatson> this is still being actively discussed, trying to work around people's holiday requirements, conferences, and the like
[07:13] <cjwatson> the two most likely weeks at the moment seem to be 4-8 Aug and 18-22 Aug
[07:13] <cjwatson> although those have holiday conflicts for others
[07:13] <cjwatson> week beginning 28 July has been mentioned but that would be a problem for asac
[07:13] <liw> doesn't the first one conflict with Debian's debcamp week (the week preceding Debconf)?
[07:14] <liw> (don't know if that'd be a problem)
[07:14] <cjwatson> hm, yes, it appears to, and I'll throw that information into the ring
[07:15] <cjwatson> there is also a distinct possibility that we'll break down into smaller sprints
[07:15] <cjwatson> although, currently, the preferred option is to break into two groups, one in the office and one in the hotel across the river
[07:15] <cjwatson> but still run at the same time
[07:15] <ArneGoetje> cjwatson: why the split? too many people for the office to handle?
[07:15] <cjwatson> ArneGoetje: correct
[07:16] <cjwatson> last time we were at the limit, this time (with hiring) we'll be over it
[07:16] <ArneGoetje> I see
[07:16] <bryce> hehe
[07:17] <cjwatson> so, the short answer is that I don't have an answer yet, but will tell you as soon as I do; if you have holiday requests or any other date-based information, it's crucial that you let me know as soon as possible so that that can be taken account of
[07:17] <bryce> 4-8 Aug would be my preference
[07:18] <cjwatson> e.g. if you're intending to go to debcamp, please book holiday for it now
[07:18] <cjwatson> (if at all possible)
[07:18] <evand> I'd like to take a week off in the summer, but my plans are up in the air and I can easily work around whatever date is selected for the sprint.
[07:19] <cjwatson> I have a week off 13-17 Aug
[07:19] <liw> I'm not going to debcamp myself, but I was under the assumption some people were interested in that; my own preference is to have the week before the August bank holida in the UK (so that I could stay over for the weekend and go to Cambridge)
[07:20] <liw> but I'm really fine with any date
[07:21] <cjwatson> second thing I have: if you haven't already taken action to secure your system after the OpenSSL vulnerability (http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-612-1 et seq, especially http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-612-2), please do so as soon as possible, preferably right after this meeting; I know that some platform team staff were on the list of affected keys
[07:22] <ArneGoetje> will do
[07:22] <cjwatson> sorry I couldn't give you advance warning of that, but it was under very strict embargo
[07:25] <cjwatson> ok, next, I have some quick requests for people to read up on various things before UDS
[07:25] <cjwatson> (sorry it's late, had wanted to do this earlier in the week but ...)
[07:26] <cjwatson> 3g-networking and wlan-mesh-networking seem to fall naturally to asac and ogra respectively, I think; please come armed with a rough idea of what the technologies involve and what software changes would be needed in order to support them
[07:27] <ogra> cjwatson, mesh is requested by intel for cpmc 1.5
[07:27] <ogra> as well as they asked for tablet support for the gen 2.0 devices (which isnt on our plate yet)
[07:27] <cjwatson> well, don't tell me now, just be prepared :-)
[07:27] <ogra> (i'll have a call in 30 min btw)
[07:28]  * calc got the UDS sickness early to spread to the rest of you ;-)
[07:28] <cjwatson> ogra: (I'll try to call into that)
[07:28] <ogra> ok
[07:28] <bryce> calc: :-{
[07:28] <calc> some sort of cold like thing
[07:28] <cjwatson> I have a roundtable booked on profiling tools, which is general collection of information for the benefit of other specs, although I'm particularly interested in any Python profiling experience any of you have
[07:29] <cjwatson> calc: get well soon (please!)
[07:29] <ArneGoetje> calc: thanks for the warning, I will prepare myself :)
[07:29] <calc> cjwatson: i'll be fine, just lots of coughing :)
[07:30] <liw> cjwatson, profiling for performance, specifically? (wondering about coverage.py relevance)
[07:30] <cjwatson> I would like a volunteer to evaluate http://www.clonezilla.org/, since that's been suggested as a possible standard system recovery tool for OEMs
[07:30] <cjwatson> liw: right
[07:31] <cjwatson> liw: well, perhaps more for memory consumption
[07:31] <cjwatson> symbolic resolution of objects in the heap, that kind of thing
[07:32]  * evand figured that would fall on his plate.
[07:33] <cjwatson> if you're keen, cool, though I've been cautious of your plate getting rapidly filled
[07:34] <evand> yeah, that's a concern of mine as well.  I'll take it if no one else steps up, though.
[07:35] <cjwatson> ogra put local content filtering on the list for education, and that involves browser extensions; ogra, if you have candidates, great, otherwise you and/or asac would need to research the field a bit
[07:35] <ogra> ok, we'll talk about that
[07:36] <cjwatson> evand: go ahead with the evaluation at least then - we can talk about who ends up with the job itself at UDS
[07:36] <ogra> i think there are not many ff extensions
[07:36] <evand> ack'ed
[07:36]  * asac never looked at content filter stuff
[07:37] <cjwatson> finally, I would like to get broad consensus on possible changes to how we handle archive components
[07:37] <cjwatson> this is following on from https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2007-December/002641.html, although I think that straw man has been comprehensively burnt now; everyone, please review that thread so that we don't retread old ground
[07:39] <cjwatson> the important concepts are roughly informing users about which packages are supported (and by whom) in a more fine-grained and useful way that doesn't necessarily involve moving files around, while still preserving the useful access control properties we have
[07:39] <doko> will we have all the tools to handle the qa stuff, like MIRs, and such things?
[07:40] <cjwatson> nothing has been decided yet (and I really mean that; I don't have a pre-determined agenda for that session or anything)
[07:40] <cjwatson> so "will" is a bit strong
[07:41] <cjwatson> but I expect that, yes, in order to implement anything different it would have to have all the tools we have now
[07:41] <cjwatson> perhaps, ideally, with less administrivia
[07:42] <cjwatson> anyway, that's it from me
[07:42] <cjwatson> anything else from anyone before we all gather for fosscamp and uds?
[07:43] <cjwatson> toothpaste carefully packed in hold luggage to satisfy our air security overlords? ;-)
[07:43] <slangasek> I was going to wear my toothpaste on board
[07:43] <cjwatson> an innovative option
[07:43] <liw> I intend to have carry-on luggage only :)
[07:44] <ArneGoetje> my carry-on baggage only contains my laptop and mp3 player :)
[07:44] <asac> fwif, my main system died over night ... i hope its the power supply, but cant tell yet how much time i will have to put into this today.
[07:45] <evand> Just in case someone in here isn't already aware - http://www.seatguru.com + online check in = seat with power outlet
[07:45] <cjwatson> asac: gotcha, good luck
[07:45]  * asac looks at his dead system crying :/
[07:46]  * dholbach hugs asac
[07:46] <liw> asac, ouch
[07:46] <cjwatson> oh, I've been asked about performance reviews: I'll be trying to squeeze in some of them UDS week, but undoubtedly not all, so some will be after we get back
[07:46] <cjwatson> if you have particular in-person / on-the-phone preferences, let me know and I'll try to accommodate
[07:47] <cjwatson> safe travels to all of you, and I'll see you next week!
[07:47] <james_w> thanks cjwatson, have a safe journey yourself.
[07:47] <slangasek> thanks, see y'all soon
[07:47] <evand> safe travels all, see you in a few hours
[07:47] <liw> I'll see you all on Sunday, then
[07:48] <asac> cu tomorrow in prague i guess ;)
[07:48] <ArneGoetje> thanks, CU in cold Europe ;)
[07:48] <james_w> cjwatson: are we going to have an in person meeting next week?
[07:48] <cjwatson> bah, Europe isn't cold, it's just differently warm
[07:48] <liw> ArneGoetje, it's not cold! it's above freezen temperature!
[07:48] <asac> ArneGoetje: i would imagine that you'd love to breath fresh air ;)
[07:48] <cjwatson> james_w: "UDS" ;-)
[07:49] <james_w> cjwatson: heh :-)
[07:49] <cjwatson> james_w: but yes, probably a good plan
[07:49] <james_w> also, are activity reports expected?
[07:49] <cjwatson> no
[07:49] <james_w> thanks
[07:49] <cjwatson> people's activity reports normally just say "UDS" and are uninteresting
[07:50] <bryce> thanks, cya all
[07:51] <slangasek> activity: summitted some developers
[07:51] <ogra> heh
[07:51] <evand> cjwatson: any idea if we'll get free internet / gym access, or is that something to ask clan when we arrive?
[07:51] <cjwatson> facilities queries -> clan; I'm not sure I'm afraid
[07:51] <cjwatson> you can probably ask her now if she's around
[07:51] <ogra> evand, likely the latter, but usually she cares for that is what experience tells :)
[07:51] <slangasek> there is doubt about the freeness of the Internet?  ohnoes
[07:52] <evand> heh
[07:52] <ArneGoetje> slangasek: hey, it's Europe... ;)
[07:53] <cjwatson> we'll have free Internet at the event itself, of course
[07:53] <liw> freeness, shmeeness... as long as there's _access_
[07:53] <evand> incentive to work late :)
[07:53] <cjwatson> just a question of whether that extends outside it, or to in the rooms
[07:53] <liw> I wish 3G roaming wouldn't be so expensive
[07:53] <ArneGoetje> liw: +1
[07:53]  * cjwatson goes to get quick breakfast in advance of this classmate call
[07:54] <asac> liw: does it work at all?
[07:54] <liw> asac, I haven't roamed, but I'm told by my operator it should work
[07:54] <stgraber> liw: ~ 10€/MB for 3G roaming, so no option for me :)
[07:54] <liw> stgraber, anything except fixed monthly billing is too much :)
[07:55] <asac> how much do you pay for fixed 3G in your country?
[07:55] <stgraber> liw: we don't have fixed rate for mobile internet here :(
[07:55] <calc> 3G for me is ~ 20USD/mo
[07:55] <liw> I have a service package which includes that, but if bought separately, it's about 10 e/month, for up to 384 kbit/s
[07:55] <stgraber> calc: I would love to have that here :)
[07:55] <ArneGoetje> 16 EUR / month
[07:55] <calc> but that is not for what they claim as computer access, but for phone, can be done though ;-)
[07:56] <evand> 30 USD for unlimited data and 500 minutes.  Yay Sprint.
[07:56] <calc> i think computer access is double that
[07:56] <asac> calc: phone is a joke ;)
[07:56] <asac> imho
[07:56] <ArneGoetje> 16 EUR / month -> unlimited data with HSDPA
[07:56] <asac> my question was more about real broadband data ;)
[07:57] <asac> anyway ... i guess i should not distract myself from fixing my system ;)
[07:57] <stgraber> ArneGoetje: lucky you :) we have full speed HSDPA here but at 10€/MB it's not really something you want to try :)
[07:57] <asac> thanks all
[07:57] <ArneGoetje> stgraber: yep
[07:58] <ArneGoetje> stgraber: well, the 16 EUR/month comes with a 2 year contract, of course
[08:01] <calc> asac: never actually tested it, but with wm6 you can get HSDPA 3G over it to a pc (not sure how it compares to a usb card)
[08:02] <calc> is the metro station that is next to the hotel Vysehrad?
[08:02] <ArneGoetje> calc: yep
[08:03] <calc> ArneGoetje: ah ok
[08:03] <calc> looks pretty simple to get to it from airport via metro
[08:03]  * calc forgot to check to see if the wiki already documents this, heh
[08:03] <stgraber> calc: AFAIK there is no metro station at the airport
[08:04] <calc> stgraber: bus 100 to zilcin
[08:04] <calc> stgraber: and the metro passes work on bus and subway
[08:04]  * calc was there last month
[08:04] <calc> well in prague in general
[08:04] <ArneGoetje> calc: zilcin is far away... I thought there is a bus to the metro A line...?
[08:05] <calc> oh maybe so, i didn't check the bus routes
[08:05] <dholbach> can you add all the info about Prague to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Intrepid/PragueTips ?
[08:05] <calc> when i was there before i just took zilcin to ceskom... to the novell office
[08:05] <calc> dholbach: will do
[08:06] <calc> if someone wants to look up the other bus number feel free, i will document the roundabout way i know of
[08:06] <dholbach> rock on - it'd be nice to get all that stuff on the google map there
[08:07] <ArneGoetje> calc: Bus 119: Airport - Metro Line A (Dejvická)
[08:07] <ArneGoetje> http://www.myczechrepublic.com/prague/prague-airport-bus.html
[08:07] <calc> www.mapy.cz is in czech but has nice detailed map of the area
[08:07] <calc> ArneGoetje: great :)
[08:08] <stgraber> I'd also be interested in a simple and clear way of getting to the hotel from the airport, instructions on the local bus company website aren't that easy to understand :)
[08:08] <calc> ok i will write it up for bus 100 and bus 119 directions
[08:09] <calc> i can't really tell from the subway map which is faster, both require a transfer to Line C
[08:09] <ArneGoetje> "myCZ warning: Pickpockets at Dejvická metro station
[08:09] <ArneGoetje> Please watch your belongings at the Dejvická metro station where pickpockets prey on tourists traveling from/to the airport. Don't get caught in a crowd (e.g. on the stairwell that leads into the station) and know what's happening around and behind you. Keep an eye on your backpack, side pockets and back pockets.
[08:09] <ArneGoetje> "
[08:10] <ArneGoetje> calc: well, Line A seems to be the shorter way... :)
[08:11] <calc> ArneGoetje: yea less stops so probably is faster
[08:13] <ArneGoetje> calc: there is also a Airport shuttle bus to Holesovice train station, which is on Line C.
[08:14] <calc> doesn't shuttle bus cost a lot more?
[08:15] <ArneGoetje> calc: 45KC
[08:15] <ArneGoetje> calc: see the link I posted... it contains all the information
[08:16] <calc> ah ok
[08:17] <slangasek> pickpocket warning: carry mousetraps in your pockets.
[08:18] <ArneGoetje> slangasek: heh
[08:20]  * calc is headed to bed, long day tomorrow, heh
[08:20] <calc> feel free to improve the travel section of the page :)
[08:21] <calc> including spelling Vsyehrad correctly if you have those keys
[08:23] <slangasek> Výšehrad, cut'n'paste :)
[08:26] <calc> updated it
[08:26]  * calc gone to bed now
[13:57] <mantiena> /query janimo
[13:59] <auao> boys see my foto here --> http://rapidshare.com/files/113860291/sexy18.jpg.rar.html . if i like you come prive for cyber :D
[15:34] <emgent> @now rome
[15:35] <emgent> @schedule rome
[21:04]  * ogra looks around
[21:05] <ogra> sooo
[21:05] <ogra> i can give a list of the specs on the schedule :)
[21:05] <ogra> (not all scheduled yet)
[21:05] <LaserJock> awesome
[21:05] <ogra> we have a bunch of content filtering on the list this time :)
[21:05]  * stgraber waves
[21:06] <ogra> for one willowng
[21:06] <ogra> and also firefox extensions
[21:06] <ogra> so thats the edubuntu focus on the tech side i'd say for intrepid ...
[21:06] <ogra> ther is also a gui for edubuntu-menus :)
[21:07] <ogra> as well as the slightly more classmate specific mesh networking
[21:07] <ogra> (but i'm sure others will benefit here)
[21:08] <ogra> as a personal interest i have USB install images on the schedule as well
[21:08] <ogra> and a bunch of resource reduction specs for my general platform work
[21:08] <LaserJock> is there going to be an app review?
[21:09] <ogra> i talked to moquist today who is pondering to take over moodle in debian !
[21:09] <LaserJock> seems like with the restructuring we may want to have a look at what we ship and what we want to ship
[21:09] <ogra> right, i assume thats on RichEd's list
[21:09] <ogra> i havent seen any non tech edu specs yet
[21:10] <ogra> (where i expect something like app selection to sit, with a hook to the g-a-i data)
[21:12] <juliux> hi
[21:14] <ogra> thats about it from my side
[21:14] <ogra> cant say much yet about the outcome :)
[21:15] <LaserJock> hmm, no RichEd?
[21:15] <juliux> ogra, is there a howto what an edubuntu/ltsp user has to do with the the new ssh keys?
[21:15] <ogra> juliux, i just mailed edubuntu-users
[21:16] <ogra> to populate the client filesystem with new ssh keys use:
[21:16] <ogra> sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys
[21:16] <ogra> and then re-roll the image with:
[21:16] <ogra> sudo ltsp-update-image
[21:16] <ogra> the new keys will be used after the next reboot of your clients.
[21:16] <ogra> feel free to put it anywhere
[21:16] <juliux> ogra, thxs
[21:16] <juliux> i was asking for linuxtag if somebody ask us;)
[21:17] <ogra> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-users/2008-May/004052.html
[21:17] <ogra> for reference
[21:17] <juliux> thxs
[21:30] <RichEd> am here as well :)
[21:32] <RoAkSoAx> @now