=== ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Platform Team | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 14 May 21:00 UTC: Server Team | 15 May 13:00 UTC: Desktop Team | 17 May 12:30 UTC: Forum Council | 21 May 06:00 UTC: Platform Team | 21 May 17:00 UTC: LoCo Council [06:56] morning all [06:56] hi [06:56] hello === doko_ is now known as doko [06:56] good morning [06:56] morning [06:56] greetings and salutations and wishes of goodwill [06:56] hello [06:57] welcome liw \o/ [06:57] hi liw, great to have you here. [06:58] hi [06:58] *yawn* [06:58] welcome liw ! [07:06] sorry I'm late [07:07] * cjwatson has been up rather too late dealing with world on fire, and so slept in [07:07] ok, so firstly (though I see you already dealt with this), welcome to Lars, who joins us this week from the QA team [07:09] * slangasek applauds [07:09] * asac hugs liw [07:09] yay [07:09] Lars joins us with no pre-decided speciality, so we'll likely spend the next week at UDS figuring out what he's doing ;-) [07:09] * doko wonders what can we dump on him? [07:09] thanks to whomever phoned me to wake me up, BTW, assuming that was one of you [07:09] hehe [07:10] welcome liw [07:10] thanks, everyone [07:11] bryce had one agenda item, which I'll deal with first [07:11] - what will the dates be for the next London sprint? [07:11] hi all [07:11] * asac listens [07:12] this is still being actively discussed, trying to work around people's holiday requirements, conferences, and the like [07:13] the two most likely weeks at the moment seem to be 4-8 Aug and 18-22 Aug [07:13] although those have holiday conflicts for others [07:13] week beginning 28 July has been mentioned but that would be a problem for asac [07:13] doesn't the first one conflict with Debian's debcamp week (the week preceding Debconf)? [07:14] (don't know if that'd be a problem) [07:14] hm, yes, it appears to, and I'll throw that information into the ring [07:15] there is also a distinct possibility that we'll break down into smaller sprints [07:15] although, currently, the preferred option is to break into two groups, one in the office and one in the hotel across the river [07:15] but still run at the same time [07:15] cjwatson: why the split? too many people for the office to handle? [07:15] ArneGoetje: correct [07:16] last time we were at the limit, this time (with hiring) we'll be over it [07:16] I see [07:16] hehe [07:17] so, the short answer is that I don't have an answer yet, but will tell you as soon as I do; if you have holiday requests or any other date-based information, it's crucial that you let me know as soon as possible so that that can be taken account of [07:17] 4-8 Aug would be my preference [07:18] e.g. if you're intending to go to debcamp, please book holiday for it now [07:18] (if at all possible) [07:18] I'd like to take a week off in the summer, but my plans are up in the air and I can easily work around whatever date is selected for the sprint. [07:19] I have a week off 13-17 Aug [07:19] I'm not going to debcamp myself, but I was under the assumption some people were interested in that; my own preference is to have the week before the August bank holida in the UK (so that I could stay over for the weekend and go to Cambridge) [07:20] but I'm really fine with any date [07:21] second thing I have: if you haven't already taken action to secure your system after the OpenSSL vulnerability (http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-612-1 et seq, especially http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-612-2), please do so as soon as possible, preferably right after this meeting; I know that some platform team staff were on the list of affected keys [07:22] will do [07:22] sorry I couldn't give you advance warning of that, but it was under very strict embargo [07:25] ok, next, I have some quick requests for people to read up on various things before UDS [07:25] (sorry it's late, had wanted to do this earlier in the week but ...) [07:26] 3g-networking and wlan-mesh-networking seem to fall naturally to asac and ogra respectively, I think; please come armed with a rough idea of what the technologies involve and what software changes would be needed in order to support them [07:27] cjwatson, mesh is requested by intel for cpmc 1.5 [07:27] as well as they asked for tablet support for the gen 2.0 devices (which isnt on our plate yet) [07:27] well, don't tell me now, just be prepared :-) [07:27] (i'll have a call in 30 min btw) [07:28] * calc got the UDS sickness early to spread to the rest of you ;-) [07:28] ogra: (I'll try to call into that) [07:28] ok [07:28] calc: :-{ [07:28] some sort of cold like thing [07:28] I have a roundtable booked on profiling tools, which is general collection of information for the benefit of other specs, although I'm particularly interested in any Python profiling experience any of you have [07:29] calc: get well soon (please!) [07:29] calc: thanks for the warning, I will prepare myself :) [07:29] cjwatson: i'll be fine, just lots of coughing :) [07:30] cjwatson, profiling for performance, specifically? (wondering about coverage.py relevance) [07:30] I would like a volunteer to evaluate http://www.clonezilla.org/, since that's been suggested as a possible standard system recovery tool for OEMs [07:30] liw: right [07:31] liw: well, perhaps more for memory consumption [07:31] symbolic resolution of objects in the heap, that kind of thing [07:32] * evand figured that would fall on his plate. [07:33] if you're keen, cool, though I've been cautious of your plate getting rapidly filled [07:34] yeah, that's a concern of mine as well. I'll take it if no one else steps up, though. [07:35] ogra put local content filtering on the list for education, and that involves browser extensions; ogra, if you have candidates, great, otherwise you and/or asac would need to research the field a bit [07:35] ok, we'll talk about that [07:36] evand: go ahead with the evaluation at least then - we can talk about who ends up with the job itself at UDS [07:36] i think there are not many ff extensions [07:36] ack'ed [07:36] * asac never looked at content filter stuff [07:37] finally, I would like to get broad consensus on possible changes to how we handle archive components [07:37] this is following on from https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2007-December/002641.html, although I think that straw man has been comprehensively burnt now; everyone, please review that thread so that we don't retread old ground [07:39] the important concepts are roughly informing users about which packages are supported (and by whom) in a more fine-grained and useful way that doesn't necessarily involve moving files around, while still preserving the useful access control properties we have [07:39] will we have all the tools to handle the qa stuff, like MIRs, and such things? [07:40] nothing has been decided yet (and I really mean that; I don't have a pre-determined agenda for that session or anything) [07:40] so "will" is a bit strong [07:41] but I expect that, yes, in order to implement anything different it would have to have all the tools we have now [07:41] perhaps, ideally, with less administrivia [07:42] anyway, that's it from me [07:42] anything else from anyone before we all gather for fosscamp and uds? [07:43] toothpaste carefully packed in hold luggage to satisfy our air security overlords? ;-) [07:43] I was going to wear my toothpaste on board [07:43] an innovative option [07:43] I intend to have carry-on luggage only :) [07:44] my carry-on baggage only contains my laptop and mp3 player :) [07:44] fwif, my main system died over night ... i hope its the power supply, but cant tell yet how much time i will have to put into this today. [07:45] Just in case someone in here isn't already aware - http://www.seatguru.com + online check in = seat with power outlet [07:45] asac: gotcha, good luck [07:45] * asac looks at his dead system crying :/ [07:46] * dholbach hugs asac [07:46] asac, ouch [07:46] oh, I've been asked about performance reviews: I'll be trying to squeeze in some of them UDS week, but undoubtedly not all, so some will be after we get back [07:46] if you have particular in-person / on-the-phone preferences, let me know and I'll try to accommodate [07:47] safe travels to all of you, and I'll see you next week! [07:47] thanks cjwatson, have a safe journey yourself. [07:47] thanks, see y'all soon [07:47] safe travels all, see you in a few hours [07:47] I'll see you all on Sunday, then [07:48] cu tomorrow in prague i guess ;) [07:48] thanks, CU in cold Europe ;) [07:48] cjwatson: are we going to have an in person meeting next week? [07:48] bah, Europe isn't cold, it's just differently warm [07:48] ArneGoetje, it's not cold! it's above freezen temperature! [07:48] ArneGoetje: i would imagine that you'd love to breath fresh air ;) [07:48] james_w: "UDS" ;-) [07:49] cjwatson: heh :-) [07:49] james_w: but yes, probably a good plan [07:49] also, are activity reports expected? [07:49] no [07:49] thanks [07:49] people's activity reports normally just say "UDS" and are uninteresting [07:50] thanks, cya all [07:51] activity: summitted some developers [07:51] heh [07:51] cjwatson: any idea if we'll get free internet / gym access, or is that something to ask clan when we arrive? [07:51] facilities queries -> clan; I'm not sure I'm afraid [07:51] you can probably ask her now if she's around [07:51] evand, likely the latter, but usually she cares for that is what experience tells :) [07:51] there is doubt about the freeness of the Internet? ohnoes [07:52] heh [07:52] slangasek: hey, it's Europe... ;) [07:53] we'll have free Internet at the event itself, of course [07:53] freeness, shmeeness... as long as there's _access_ [07:53] incentive to work late :) [07:53] just a question of whether that extends outside it, or to in the rooms [07:53] I wish 3G roaming wouldn't be so expensive [07:53] liw: +1 [07:53] * cjwatson goes to get quick breakfast in advance of this classmate call [07:54] liw: does it work at all? [07:54] asac, I haven't roamed, but I'm told by my operator it should work [07:54] liw: ~ 10€/MB for 3G roaming, so no option for me :) [07:54] stgraber, anything except fixed monthly billing is too much :) [07:55] how much do you pay for fixed 3G in your country? [07:55] liw: we don't have fixed rate for mobile internet here :( [07:55] 3G for me is ~ 20USD/mo [07:55] I have a service package which includes that, but if bought separately, it's about 10 e/month, for up to 384 kbit/s [07:55] calc: I would love to have that here :) [07:55] 16 EUR / month [07:55] but that is not for what they claim as computer access, but for phone, can be done though ;-) [07:56] 30 USD for unlimited data and 500 minutes. Yay Sprint. [07:56] i think computer access is double that [07:56] calc: phone is a joke ;) [07:56] imho [07:56] 16 EUR / month -> unlimited data with HSDPA [07:56] my question was more about real broadband data ;) [07:57] anyway ... i guess i should not distract myself from fixing my system ;) [07:57] ArneGoetje: lucky you :) we have full speed HSDPA here but at 10€/MB it's not really something you want to try :) [07:57] thanks all [07:57] stgraber: yep [07:58] stgraber: well, the 16 EUR/month comes with a 2 year contract, of course [08:01] asac: never actually tested it, but with wm6 you can get HSDPA 3G over it to a pc (not sure how it compares to a usb card) [08:02] is the metro station that is next to the hotel Vysehrad? [08:02] calc: yep [08:03] ArneGoetje: ah ok [08:03] looks pretty simple to get to it from airport via metro [08:03] * calc forgot to check to see if the wiki already documents this, heh [08:03] calc: AFAIK there is no metro station at the airport [08:04] stgraber: bus 100 to zilcin [08:04] stgraber: and the metro passes work on bus and subway [08:04] * calc was there last month [08:04] well in prague in general [08:04] calc: zilcin is far away... I thought there is a bus to the metro A line...? [08:05] oh maybe so, i didn't check the bus routes [08:05] can you add all the info about Prague to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Intrepid/PragueTips ? [08:05] when i was there before i just took zilcin to ceskom... to the novell office [08:05] dholbach: will do [08:06] if someone wants to look up the other bus number feel free, i will document the roundabout way i know of [08:06] rock on - it'd be nice to get all that stuff on the google map there [08:07] calc: Bus 119: Airport - Metro Line A (Dejvická) [08:07] http://www.myczechrepublic.com/prague/prague-airport-bus.html [08:07] www.mapy.cz is in czech but has nice detailed map of the area [08:07] ArneGoetje: great :) [08:08] I'd also be interested in a simple and clear way of getting to the hotel from the airport, instructions on the local bus company website aren't that easy to understand :) [08:08] ok i will write it up for bus 100 and bus 119 directions [08:09] i can't really tell from the subway map which is faster, both require a transfer to Line C [08:09] "myCZ warning: Pickpockets at Dejvická metro station [08:09] Please watch your belongings at the Dejvická metro station where pickpockets prey on tourists traveling from/to the airport. Don't get caught in a crowd (e.g. on the stairwell that leads into the station) and know what's happening around and behind you. Keep an eye on your backpack, side pockets and back pockets. [08:09] " [08:10] calc: well, Line A seems to be the shorter way... :) [08:11] ArneGoetje: yea less stops so probably is faster [08:13] calc: there is also a Airport shuttle bus to Holesovice train station, which is on Line C. [08:14] doesn't shuttle bus cost a lot more? [08:15] calc: 45KC [08:15] calc: see the link I posted... it contains all the information [08:16] ah ok [08:17] pickpocket warning: carry mousetraps in your pockets. [08:18] slangasek: heh [08:20] * calc is headed to bed, long day tomorrow, heh [08:20] feel free to improve the travel section of the page :) [08:21] including spelling Vsyehrad correctly if you have those keys [08:23] Výšehrad, cut'n'paste :) [08:26] updated it [08:26] * calc gone to bed now === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 14 May 21:00 UTC: Server Team | 15 May 13:00 UTC: Desktop Team | 17 May 12:30 UTC: Forum Council | 21 May 06:00 UTC: Platform Team | 21 May 17:00 UTC: LoCo Council | 21 May 21:00 UTC: Server Team === gnomefre1k is now known as gnomefreak === pmf__ is now known as ember === fdd-0 is now known as fdd [13:57] /query janimo [13:59] boys see my foto here --> http://rapidshare.com/files/113860291/sexy18.jpg.rar.html . if i like you come prive for cyber :D [15:34] @now rome [15:34] emgent: Current time in Europe/Rome: May 14 2008, 16:35:16 - Next meeting: Server Team in 6 hours 24 minutes [15:35] @schedule rome [15:35] emgent: Schedule for Europe/Rome: 14 May 23:00: Server Team | 15 May 15:00: Desktop Team | 17 May 14:30: Forum Council | 21 May 08:00: Platform Team | 21 May 19:00: LoCo Council | 21 May 23:00: Server Team === Tweenaks is now known as Treenaks === juliux_ is now known as juliux [21:04] * ogra looks around [21:05] sooo [21:05] i can give a list of the specs on the schedule :) [21:05] (not all scheduled yet) [21:05] awesome [21:05] we have a bunch of content filtering on the list this time :) [21:05] * stgraber waves [21:06] for one willowng [21:06] and also firefox extensions [21:06] so thats the edubuntu focus on the tech side i'd say for intrepid ... [21:06] ther is also a gui for edubuntu-menus :) [21:07] as well as the slightly more classmate specific mesh networking [21:07] (but i'm sure others will benefit here) [21:08] as a personal interest i have USB install images on the schedule as well [21:08] and a bunch of resource reduction specs for my general platform work [21:08] is there going to be an app review? [21:09] i talked to moquist today who is pondering to take over moodle in debian ! [21:09] seems like with the restructuring we may want to have a look at what we ship and what we want to ship [21:09] right, i assume thats on RichEd's list [21:09] i havent seen any non tech edu specs yet [21:10] (where i expect something like app selection to sit, with a hook to the g-a-i data) [21:12] hi [21:14] thats about it from my side [21:14] cant say much yet about the outcome :) [21:15] hmm, no RichEd? [21:15] ogra, is there a howto what an edubuntu/ltsp user has to do with the the new ssh keys? [21:15] juliux, i just mailed edubuntu-users [21:16] to populate the client filesystem with new ssh keys use: [21:16] sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys [21:16] and then re-roll the image with: [21:16] sudo ltsp-update-image [21:16] the new keys will be used after the next reboot of your clients. [21:16] feel free to put it anywhere [21:16] ogra, thxs [21:16] i was asking for linuxtag if somebody ask us;) [21:17] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-users/2008-May/004052.html [21:17] for reference [21:17] thxs [21:30] am here as well :) [21:32] @now [21:32] RoAkSoAx: Current time in Etc/UTC: May 14 2008, 20:33:21 - Next meeting: Server Team in 26 minutes === RichEd_ is now known as RichEd === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Server Team | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 15 May 13:00 UTC: Desktop Team | 17 May 12:30 UTC: Forum Council | 21 May 06:00 UTC: Platform Team | 21 May 17:00 UTC: LoCo Council | 21 May 21:00 UTC: Server Team === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 15 May 13:00 UTC: Desktop Team | 17 May 12:30 UTC: Forum Council | 21 May 06:00 UTC: Platform Team | 21 May 17:00 UTC: LoCo Council | 21 May 21:00 UTC: Server Team | 22 May 13:00 UTC: Desktop Team