[06:18] good morning === doko_ is now known as doko === foka_ is now known as foka === davmor2 is now known as davmor2_dinner === davmor2_dinner is now known as davmor2 [16:47] guys can you check something out for me please. I wrote a bug about the user not having /usr/games in their path. I think I know why now. By default xephyr sets you up as user root this user doesn't have /usr/bin in their path however user ume does which is why I think you guys get it but xephyr people don't [16:48] davmor2: I personally run Xephyr as ume, not as root and it's much saner; but the current Xephyr approach is a big hack, we should move away from this [16:48] davmor2: One option is to use vms; mvo started a script to create such vms [16:48] brz branch lp:~mvo/ubuntu-mobile/simple-image-builder [16:49] lool: Yeah I know now I hadn't bothered looking before :) [16:50] Not only a hack but Xephyr, in it's current form, is becoming a problem. Me davmor2 and cgregan spent quite some time figuring out that bunch of "false" icons and associated bugs. [16:51] Please don't use Xephyr; I stopped doing so a while ago; it really sucks too much [16:51] It's extremely time consuming to set it up properly [16:52] agoliveira: you got a device haven't you? [16:52] davmor2: Yes I do and I know that you don't so currently is the only way for you to test. [16:53] davmor2: Well, I have a Q1 only, no CB boards. [16:54] agoliveira: No I was going to ask you if you have tried out Ekiga yet. cgregan just tried he could hear me but I couldn't get hear him so looks like there might be an issue there [16:55] davmor2: Oh, I just looked at the camera issue but didn't actually used for anything. [16:56] davmor2: Did he check the micrpophone levels? Did the initial test worked? [16:56] agoliveira: Camera apart you switch that off [16:57] davmor2: I beg your pardon? [16:58] agoliveira: Sorry not good English. I mean you can ignore the camera it can be switched off. [16:58] agoliveira: I'll ask cgregan after if he uped the volume on the mic. But I would guess he did. [16:59] davmor2: Yes it can. I meant that there was a bug that the camera didn't work and I saw it does on Q1 at least - I mean, an external camera. There's no driver for Q1's [16:59] agoliveira: Ah right [16:59] davmor2: There's a test that ekiga does that let you loop back the mic and phones so you can hear yourself. [17:00] agoliveira: Yes loop back test 500@ekiga.net That's how I set mine up correctly. [17:01] agoliveira: However it doesn't work at all in xephyr no mic no speaker. So I was just using my standard Ekiga on my desktop. [17:02] davmor2: I see. Well, in this case he has to test on the device as well and se if there's no problem on his side. [17:02] cgregan: ^^^^^ [17:02] davmor2: I guess you would have to kill pulseaudio before you can get ekiga to work with Xephyr [17:02] davmor2: the ekiga running in the chroot can't access the local pulseaudio which is probably locking the mic/speaker [17:03] stgraber: no it works on my desktop. I have never had sound in xephyr [17:05] agoliveira: On a plus side most of the apps are working correctly. [17:05] davmor2: Nice :) Thanks for the help, BTW. [17:06] Even though I'm needing to start them from command line :) [17:09] lool: hello, I know I already asked about this, but I need more info about "switching to another engine" on UME : you told me to take a look at /etc/hildon-desktop, but what can I modify in this directory to switch to another engine ? [17:10] /etc/hildon-desktop/home-layout.conf points to /usr/share/applications/hildon-home/mobile-basic-home.desktop for example [17:10] Zic: Start by reading desktop.conf, it describes which plugins to load [17:11] ok, thanks :) [17:43] agoliveira: Just a quicky this is probably another issue with xephyr. On doc reader I select a doc to open and I get another window popup infront but there are no buttons on it etc so I can't close it. Do you get that on the device at all? [17:44] davmor2: Can you send me the document you're trying to see. Maybe it's a conversion bug. [17:44] agoliveira: Hey..you caught me during lunch [17:45] agoliveira: I created one by doing ls /usr/bin > app-list.txt [17:45] davmor2: Ah, makes sense. You're not using treb 0.9 are you? === robr_ is now known as robr [17:46] davmor2: Does the interface have a combo to select the file type? [17:49] It's okay I think I know why it's bleedin' evince opening up. [17:50] so treb is the office reader thing is it? [17:50] agoliveira: [17:50] lool: ok, I understood how it works, by default, there is no other engine installed, do you know if the engine which works with Clutter is available on repository ? [17:51] agoliveira: oh it is that one after all. [17:51] agoliveira: thought I was going mad [17:52] brb tea [17:52] davmor2: Exactly. Treb is a laucnher that uses OO to convert MS office documents into PDFs and pass them to evince to display. [17:52] (or "for displaying"? Hmmm...) [17:54] Zic: It is available from multiple places, the ppa to start with [17:55] moblin-clutter-home [17:55] Yes, I have just finded the correct name of the package, "moblin-clutter-home" [17:55] thanks :) [18:13] hmm, I can load it with desktop-launcher -w, but not as an applet into UME like mobile basic ui [18:25] I want something like this : http://www.ubuntu.com/files/u1/clutter-small.jpg, but I can't add home clutter applet via home_ap_view>home_me_select_applet [18:25] agoliveira: back right what the command to get the version number for treb [18:25] or, like in the screenshot, via menu on the top panel [18:31] an other question (sorry :)) : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/EmailUI are these just mockup ? [18:32] davmor2: apt-cache show treb [18:33] Zic: Yes, they are [18:33] is there any plan to work on UI of claws-mail ? [18:34] Zic: Nothing specific but UDS is coming so we may discuss that. [18:35] ok, thanks [18:36] because, for now to me, apps on UME are like apps on Maemo Platform : they seems not finger playable [18:36] just computer apps (and, in reality, it just what it is on Embedded platform based on GMAE actually) [18:36] except for the browser, nice work on both side :) [18:37] Zic: Yes, for now it's what they look like. We still have a lot of work to do on that. [18:38] I am sad not to be familiarized with integration GTK / Hildon sometimes:) [18:39] (to play with UI integration of embedded devices) [18:40] I must to leave, bye, and thanks for your help [18:44] agoliveira: yes it's treb 0.9 [18:45] davmor2: And you're able to open any files? Did I add a * filter by mistake? :P [18:46] agoliveira: no I created a txt file and I get a blank window in front of it want a screen shot to make it easier to understand [18:48] davmor2: It's not I'm asking about. I modified treb so you can't open any files that are not MS office's they should not show up into treb's interface that's why I'm asking how did you select it. [18:48] davmor2: Let me make a test, hold on, please. [18:48] do a test, actually... [18:48] * agoliveira is tired... [18:49] agoliveira: do what I did ls /usr/bin > app-list.txt [18:49] quick easy text file [18:50] http://www.davmor2.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/weird1.png [18:50] davmor2: No need. I know what I've done [18:50] okay cool [18:51] davmor2: As I suspected, I added a "all files" filter as well (which actually means no filter at all) and you're trying to open a .txt which messes with openoofice's conversion process. [18:51] davmor2: I'll open a bug to modify this. [18:55] agoliveira: No Prabs happy to help :) [18:56] davmor2: Sure and thanks! [18:56] agoliveira: out of curiosity what app is being used for .txt files and the like?# [18:57] davmor2: Well, one can use the mousepad but there's no file association AFAIK. [18:58] agoliveira: okay no probs [19:00] agoliveira: is the pim stuff in place and should it work against the clock/calendar? [19:00] davmor2: For now it's standalone, not integrated with the clock applet. [19:01] so the pim includes contacts and tasks anything else? [19:14] agoliveira: can you try something for me. I just tried running claws-mail from cli and nothing happened but it will run from desktop icon. Bit concerning [19:17] davmor2: Hold on. [19:19] davmor2: Looks like a permission problem when trying to bind on /tmp but, anyway, no program is supposed to be run from the console so it's not a problem actually. [19:19] agoliveira: okay No probs [19:24] agoliveira: is gnash not plugged into the midbrowser by default? [19:26] davmor2: I dont think so. [19:30] agoliveira: right so no flash on xephyr it dies trying to install [19:31] davmor2: Have you tried adobe's plugin? [19:31] yes just jotting down the error message for you now :) [19:35] agoliveira: Error reads. MidBrowser could not install this item because "install-ccx..rdf" (provided by the item) is not well formed or does not exist. Please contact the author about this problem. [19:36] davmor2: I have no idea what that means. Maybe asac can help? [19:36] asac: ping [19:36] yes? [19:37] yeah ... its adobes fault (i assume its installing flash) [19:37] use ubufox ;) [19:37] asac: It is indeed not up to me or I would :) [19:38] story is that the .xpi installer provided on adobe website uses a really old mechanism that predates firefox [19:38] asac: mind you when I saw that gnash was installed I'd of thought that the plugin would of been in too so you got youtube working at least :) [19:39] huh? so gnash isn't working? [19:39] asac: That's friggin' useful then :) [19:40] asac: when I click on a youtube vid it says plugin missing across the top at which point it tries to install flash from adobe [19:42] with gnash installed? [19:42] do you see gnash in about:plugins [19:42] ? [19:44] asac: http://www.davmor2.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/plugins.png [19:52] davmor2: yeah ... about:plugins? [19:52] not there as well? [19:52] is gnash installed? [19:52] asac: ah right sorry with you [19:52] hang on [19:53] update-alternatives --list xulrunner-addons-flashplugin [19:53] and update-alternatives --config xulrunner-addons-flashplugin [19:53] if you are sure gnash is the current alternative ... it should work ;) [19:55] asac: mozplugger contains loads but no flash [19:58] update-alternatives command not found. [19:59] I'm off now anyway I [19:59] it's getting late bye [22:42] anyone here using a Vaio UX? [22:42] I need a little help with Monday's build [23:39] any hard freezes on ubuntu-mobile archive right now? need to update xulrunner to include the critical fix we rolled to hardy-updates [23:40] if noone raises hands i will upload. should be low risk