[06:18] <dholbach> good morning
[16:47] <davmor2> guys can you check something out for me please.  I wrote a bug about the user not having /usr/games in their path.  I think I know why now.  By default xephyr sets you up as user root this user doesn't have /usr/bin in their path however user ume does which is why I think you guys get it but xephyr people don't
[16:48] <lool> davmor2: I personally run Xephyr as ume, not as root and it's much saner; but the current Xephyr approach is a big hack, we should move away from this
[16:48] <lool> davmor2: One option is to use vms; mvo started a script to create such vms
[16:48] <lool> brz branch lp:~mvo/ubuntu-mobile/simple-image-builder
[16:49] <davmor2> lool: Yeah I know now I hadn't bothered looking before :)
[16:50] <agoliveira> Not only a hack but Xephyr, in it's current form, is becoming a problem. Me davmor2 and cgregan spent quite some time figuring out that bunch of "false" icons and associated bugs.
[16:51] <lool> Please don't use Xephyr; I stopped doing so a while ago; it really sucks too much
[16:51] <lool> It's extremely time consuming to set it up properly
[16:52] <davmor2> agoliveira: you got a device haven't you?
[16:52] <agoliveira> davmor2: Yes I do and I know that you don't so currently is the only way for you to test.
[16:53] <agoliveira> davmor2: Well, I have a Q1 only, no CB boards.
[16:54] <davmor2> agoliveira: No I was going to ask you if you have tried out Ekiga yet.  cgregan just tried he could hear me but I couldn't get hear him so looks like there might be an issue there
[16:55] <agoliveira> davmor2: Oh, I just looked at the camera issue but didn't actually used for anything.
[16:56] <agoliveira> davmor2: Did he check the micrpophone levels? Did the initial test worked?
[16:56] <davmor2> agoliveira: Camera apart you switch that off
[16:57] <agoliveira> davmor2: I beg your pardon?
[16:58] <davmor2> agoliveira: Sorry not good English.  I mean you can ignore the camera it can be switched off.
[16:58] <davmor2> agoliveira: I'll ask cgregan after if he uped the volume on the mic.  But I would guess he did.
[16:59] <agoliveira> davmor2: Yes it can. I meant that there was a bug that the camera didn't work and I saw it does on Q1 at least - I mean, an external camera. There's no driver for Q1's 
[16:59] <davmor2> agoliveira: Ah right
[16:59] <agoliveira> davmor2: There's a test that ekiga does that let you loop back the mic and phones so you can hear yourself.
[17:00] <davmor2> agoliveira: Yes loop back test 500@ekiga.net  That's how I set mine up correctly.
[17:01] <davmor2> agoliveira: However it doesn't work at all in xephyr no mic no speaker.  So I was just using my standard Ekiga on my desktop.
[17:02] <agoliveira> davmor2: I see. Well, in this case he has to test on the device as well and se if there's no problem on his side.
[17:02] <agoliveira> cgregan: ^^^^^
[17:02] <stgraber> davmor2: I guess you would have to kill pulseaudio before you can get ekiga to work with Xephyr
[17:02] <stgraber> davmor2: the ekiga running in the chroot can't access the local pulseaudio which is probably locking the mic/speaker
[17:03] <davmor2> stgraber: no it works on my desktop.  I have never had sound in xephyr
[17:05] <davmor2> agoliveira: On a plus side most of the apps are working correctly.
[17:05] <agoliveira> davmor2: Nice :) Thanks for the help, BTW.
[17:06] <davmor2> Even though I'm needing to start them from command line :)
[17:09] <Zic> lool: hello, I know I already asked about this, but I need more info about "switching to another engine" on UME : you told me to take a look at /etc/hildon-desktop, but what can I modify in this directory to switch to another engine ?
[17:10] <lool> /etc/hildon-desktop/home-layout.conf points to /usr/share/applications/hildon-home/mobile-basic-home.desktop for example
[17:10] <lool> Zic: Start by reading desktop.conf, it describes which plugins to load
[17:11] <Zic> ok, thanks :)
[17:43] <davmor2> agoliveira: Just a quicky this is probably another issue with xephyr.  On doc reader I select a doc to open and I get another window popup infront but there are no buttons on it etc so I can't close it.  Do you get that on the device at all?
[17:44] <agoliveira> davmor2: Can you send me the document you're trying to see. Maybe it's a conversion bug.
[17:44] <cgregan> ﻿agoliveira: Hey..you caught me during lunch
[17:45] <davmor2> agoliveira: I created one by doing ls /usr/bin > app-list.txt
[17:45] <agoliveira> davmor2: Ah, makes sense. You're not using treb 0.9 are you?
[17:46] <agoliveira> davmor2: Does the interface have a combo to select the file type?
[17:49] <davmor2> It's okay I think I know why it's bleedin' evince opening up.
[17:50] <davmor2> so treb is the office reader thing is it?
[17:50] <davmor2> agoliveira: 
[17:50] <Zic> lool: ok, I understood how it works, by default, there is no other engine installed, do you know if the engine which works with Clutter is available on repository ?
[17:51] <davmor2> agoliveira: oh it is that one after all.
[17:51] <davmor2> agoliveira: thought I was going mad
[17:52] <davmor2> brb tea
[17:52] <agoliveira> davmor2: Exactly. Treb is a laucnher that uses OO to convert MS office documents into PDFs and pass them to evince to display.
[17:52] <agoliveira> (or "for displaying"? Hmmm...)
[17:54] <lool> Zic: It is available from multiple places, the ppa to start with
[17:55] <lool> moblin-clutter-home
[17:55] <Zic> Yes, I have just finded the correct name of the package, "moblin-clutter-home"
[17:55] <Zic> thanks :)
[18:13] <Zic> hmm, I can load it with desktop-launcher -w, but not as an applet into UME like mobile basic ui
[18:25] <Zic> I want something like this : http://www.ubuntu.com/files/u1/clutter-small.jpg, but I can't add home clutter applet via home_ap_view>home_me_select_applet
[18:25] <davmor2> agoliveira: back right what the command to get the version number for treb
[18:25] <Zic> or, like in the screenshot, via menu on the top panel
[18:31] <Zic> an other question (sorry :)) : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/EmailUI are these just mockup ?
[18:32] <agoliveira> davmor2: apt-cache show treb
[18:33] <agoliveira> Zic: Yes, they are
[18:33] <Zic> is there any plan to work on UI of claws-mail ?
[18:34] <agoliveira> Zic: Nothing specific but UDS is coming so we may discuss that.
[18:35] <Zic> ok, thanks
[18:36] <Zic> because, for now to me, apps on UME are like apps on Maemo Platform : they seems not finger playable
[18:36] <Zic> just computer apps (and, in reality, it just what it is on Embedded platform based on GMAE actually)
[18:36] <Zic> except for the browser, nice work on both side :)
[18:37] <agoliveira> Zic: Yes, for now it's what they look like. We still have a lot of work to do on that.
[18:38] <Zic> I am sad not to be familiarized with integration GTK / Hildon sometimes:)
[18:39] <Zic> (to play with UI integration of embedded devices)
[18:40] <Zic> I must to leave, bye, and thanks for your help
[18:44] <davmor2> agoliveira: yes it's treb 0.9 
[18:45] <agoliveira> davmor2: And you're able to open any files? Did I add a * filter by mistake? :P
[18:46] <davmor2> agoliveira: no I created a txt file and I get a blank window in front of it want a screen shot to make it easier to understand
[18:48] <agoliveira> davmor2: It's not I'm asking about. I modified treb so you can't open any files that are not MS office's they should not show up into treb's interface that's why I'm asking how did you select it.
[18:48] <agoliveira> davmor2: Let me make a test, hold on, please.
[18:48] <agoliveira> do a test, actually...
[18:48]  * agoliveira is tired...
[18:49] <davmor2> agoliveira: do what I did ls /usr/bin > app-list.txt
[18:49] <davmor2> quick easy text file
[18:50] <davmor2> http://www.davmor2.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/weird1.png
[18:50] <agoliveira> davmor2: No need. I know what I've done
[18:50] <davmor2> okay cool
[18:51] <agoliveira> davmor2: As I suspected, I added a "all files" filter as well (which actually means no filter at all) and you're trying to open a .txt which messes with openoofice's conversion process.
[18:51] <agoliveira> davmor2: I'll open a bug to modify this.
[18:55] <davmor2> agoliveira: No Prabs happy to help :)
[18:56] <agoliveira> davmor2: Sure and thanks!
[18:56] <davmor2> agoliveira: out of curiosity what app is being used for .txt files and the like?#
[18:57] <agoliveira> davmor2: Well, one can use the mousepad but there's no file association AFAIK.
[18:58] <davmor2> agoliveira: okay no probs
[19:00] <davmor2> agoliveira: is the pim stuff in place and should it work against the clock/calendar?
[19:00] <agoliveira> davmor2: For now it's standalone, not integrated with the clock applet.
[19:01] <davmor2> so the pim includes contacts and tasks anything else?
[19:14] <davmor2> agoliveira: can you try something for me.  I just tried running claws-mail from cli and nothing happened but it will run from desktop icon.  Bit concerning
[19:17] <agoliveira> davmor2: Hold on.
[19:19] <agoliveira> davmor2: Looks like a permission problem when trying to bind on /tmp but, anyway, no program is supposed to be run from the console so it's not a problem actually.
[19:19] <davmor2> agoliveira: okay No probs
[19:24] <davmor2> agoliveira: is gnash not plugged into the midbrowser by default?
[19:26] <agoliveira> davmor2: I dont think so.
[19:30] <davmor2> agoliveira: right so no flash on xephyr it dies trying to install
[19:31] <agoliveira> davmor2: Have you tried adobe's plugin?
[19:31] <davmor2> yes just jotting down the error message for you now :)
[19:35] <davmor2> agoliveira: Error reads.  MidBrowser could not install this item because "install-ccx..rdf" (provided by the item) is not well formed or does not exist.  Please contact the author about this problem.
[19:36] <agoliveira> davmor2: I have no idea what that means. Maybe asac can help?
[19:36] <davmor2> asac: ping
[19:36] <asac> yes?
[19:37] <asac> yeah ... its adobes fault (i assume its installing flash)
[19:37] <asac> use ubufox ;)
[19:37] <davmor2> asac: It is indeed not up to me or I would :)
[19:38] <asac> story is that the .xpi installer provided on adobe website uses a really old mechanism that predates firefox
[19:38] <davmor2> asac: mind you when I saw that gnash was installed I'd of thought that the plugin would of been in too so you got youtube working at least :)
[19:39] <asac> huh? so gnash isn't working?
[19:39] <davmor2> asac: That's friggin' useful then :)
[19:40] <davmor2> asac: when I click on a youtube vid it says plugin missing across the top at which point it tries to install flash from adobe
[19:42] <asac> with gnash installed?
[19:42] <asac> do you see gnash in about:plugins
[19:42] <asac> ?
[19:44] <davmor2> asac: http://www.davmor2.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/plugins.png
[19:52] <asac> davmor2: yeah ... about:plugins?
[19:52] <asac> not there as well?
[19:52] <asac> is gnash installed?
[19:52] <davmor2> asac: ah right sorry with you
[19:52] <davmor2> hang on
[19:53] <asac> update-alternatives --list xulrunner-addons-flashplugin
[19:53] <asac> and update-alternatives --config xulrunner-addons-flashplugin
[19:53] <asac> if you are sure gnash is the current alternative ... it should work ;)
[19:55] <davmor2> asac: mozplugger contains loads but no flash
[19:58] <davmor2> update-alternatives command not found.
[19:59] <davmor2> I'm off now anyway I
[19:59] <davmor2> it's getting late bye
[22:42] <dijenerate> anyone here using a Vaio UX?
[22:42] <dijenerate> I need a little help with Monday's build
[23:39] <asac> any hard freezes on ubuntu-mobile archive right now? need to update xulrunner to include the critical fix we rolled to hardy-updates
[23:40] <asac> if noone raises hands i will upload. should be low risk