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gkahlaan 'apt-cache search' for pthread-stubs.pc tells me libpthread-stubs0-dev is where to find the config file... it's installed, but a package I'm compiling can't find it - ideas?00:05
gkahlagoing to find something to chew on - later!00:16
PsynoKhi0hi again, can a swap partiton be physically damaged, and if so, is there a way to check/repair it?00:17
lars_hello?00:22
Deniz_OgutHello,I've just performed a distro upgrade to xubuntu 8.04 via Web. I'm using Turkish locale. For I upgrade via Web, almost all my settings are as they were and I didn't have a problem. But today I added a new user and when I switch to that user's desktop what I see is the main Xfce menu of the new user is empty. No applications, nothing. Just "help", "about xfce" and "quit" buttons. On the...00:25
Deniz_Ogut...panel there are Firefox button, "places" button and quit button apart from main Xfce menu but -as I say- it is empty. Any idea?00:25
lars_Oh yippee. Xubuntu has no forums and an IRC channel with nobody home. is there ANY reason not to go back to VectorLinux00:26
Deniz_Ogut@lars_ Hello Lars_00:27
PsynoKhi0about the missing aps I don't know, maybe check your your privileges for that new user00:31
Deniz_OgutI can reach the applications for that user via alt-F200:33
PsynoKhi0there is indeed no official forum for xubuntu, though afaik the same applies for other ubuntu flavors, since the ubuntu forums do the trick in most cases00:34
PsynoKhi0bah he left00:34
PsynoKhi0do you have the Applications button?00:36
Deniz_OgutNo.00:37
PsynoKhi0right click on top panel, "add item" > Xfce Menu00:37
BigBurlar_ sounds like he's having an identity crisis, haha.00:37
BigBurlars_*00:37
Deniz_OgutI did it. I have Xfce menu but....00:38
Deniz_Ogutjust "about" and "quit" buttons under it! Interesting.00:38
PsynoKhi0if you start Thunar and check for a .config folder (hidden by default) is there anything in there00:40
Deniz_OgutHmmm. googd idea . Do you remember the exact route for .config? Do you mean xog.config or something else?00:42
Deniz_Ogut* xorg.config00:42
PsynoKhi0it's in your /home/<user>/ directory00:43
Deniz_Ogutok,i am checking it. Thanks.00:43
Deniz_OgutThere are 3 directories under it.00:47
Deniz_Ogutkonuk@marenostrum:~/.config$ ls00:47
Deniz_Ogutmousepad  Thunar  xfce400:47
PsynoKhi0xfce4 then00:48
Deniz_Ogutgoing in it00:48
Deniz_OgutThere are 4 directories under it:00:49
Deniz_Ogutkonuk@marenostrum:~/.config/xfce4$ ls00:49
Deniz_Ogutdesktop  mcs_settings  panel  xfwm400:49
PsynoKhi0desktop00:50
Deniz_Ogutgoing under it.00:50
Deniz_OgutThere are 2 things:00:51
Deniz_Ogutkonuk@marenostrum:~/.config/xfce4/desktop$ ls00:51
Deniz_Oguticons.screen0.rc  menu.xml00:51
PsynoKhi0menu.xml (right click, Mousepad)00:52
Deniz_OgutHere it is:00:55
Deniz_Ogut<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>00:55
Deniz_Ogut<xfdesktop-menu>00:55
Deniz_Ogut<app name="Kılavuz" cmd="xfbrowser4 /usr/share/xubuntu-docs/about/xubuntu-index.html" icon="gnome-help"/>00:55
Deniz_Ogut<app name="Xfce Hakkında" cmd="xfce4-about" icon="info"/>00:55
Deniz_Ogut<builtin name="Çık" cmd="quit" icon="gnome-logout"/>00:55
Deniz_Ogut</xfdesktop-menu>00:55
PsynoKhi0wait00:55
PsynoKhi0use the pastebin please :P00:55
Deniz_Ogutthose Turkish words mean: Kilavuz= something like about,Xfce hakkında= About Xfce, Çık= Quit00:56
Deniz_OgutThose 3 are what I see under main menu. But no applications, system etc.00:56
PsynoKhi0yup00:56
Deniz_Ogutsorry, I thik I have to learn about pastebin.00:57
PsynoKhi0np, http://pastebin.com00:57
PsynoKhi0paste our content there00:57
PsynoKhi0your*00:57
Deniz_OgutSorryagain and thank you. I will learn.00:57
PsynoKhi0your menu.xml is missing the important parts though00:58
PsynoKhi0rename it to menu.old, log out and then log back in00:58
PsynoKhi0that might solve your problem00:59
PsynoKhi0if not I'll give you the lines to add in your menu file00:59
Deniz_OgutThank you. By the way,should I do like this?01:00
Deniz_Oguthttp://pastebin.com/m4201335101:00
purpleposeidon??winmodem01:01
purpleposeidonooh, I should regenerate my ssh keys?01:01
purpleposeidon!winmodem01:01
ubottuYou want to connect via dial-up? Read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto01:01
PsynoKhi0awesome :) can you please try to rename that file and log out/in first?01:01
Deniz_Ogutok. thanks.01:02
xStandarshyhi room01:29
thinkmassivehello01:39
David-Ahello my friend01:41
quaalhttp://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=47745401:44
ubottuDebian bug 477454 in quodlibet "Insulting source code" [Serious,Open]01:44
Deniz_Ogut@PsynoKhi0: Hi again. That doesn't work. After I changed the name from menu.xml to menu.old; nothing changed with regard to the newuser and what's moru Xfce couldn't open my default user sessin; it suspended at the auto start stage of opening session. So I changed the new user's file to the original and I can log in my default user's sesion as well. By the way I copied the default (main)...01:51
Deniz_Ogut...user's menu.xml file. I can replace it with the new user's if you advice so.01:51
PsynoKhi0Deniz_Ogut: ah, dang... well your menu.xml was missing a few lines, hang on01:53
Deniz_OgutBy the way: menu.xml of the main user has almost no similarity with the new user's. I have both at hand now. I can replace the newuser's menu.xml either with the one you maybe will be sending to me or with the main user's menu.xml.01:55
PsynoKhi0Deniz_Ogut: http://pastebin.com/m11636034 the lines that were in my menu.xml file but not yours are highlighted, though you would have to check the 'name="" ' to fit your locale settings01:57
Deniz_OgutThank you verymuch. What can you sayabout the idea to replace it with my main users menu.xml. Main users session has no problem.01:59
PsynoKhi0could be the easiest01:59
Deniz_OgutThank you very much for taking your time.01:59
Deniz_OgutThank's a lot.02:00
PsynoKhi0np :)02:01
PsynoKhi0were you missing the icons on the desktop too?02:01
Deniz_OgutNo icons are there.02:02
PsynoKhi0ok02:02
neighborleehttp://youtube.com/user/xomagick < HELP , I cant get this page to show up02:11
neighborleeI just installed java plugin, and I have flash 9 installed of course..what else am I missing ;)))02:12
PsynoKhi0can you open other flash pages?02:12
neighborleeok THIS is odd02:12
neighborleeI just installed java plugin and now flash site wont work LOL02:13
neighborleegood lord ;0002:13
PsynoKhi0did you download it from their site?02:13
neighborleeI was able to view startrek.com just fine..now it says I dont have flash02:13
neighborleeno02:13
neighborleefrom repo02:13
neighborleebut as I say startrek.com was working fine...02:13
PsynoKhi0flashplugin-nonfree?02:13
neighborleecorrect02:13
neighborleeis firefox 3 a bit buggy maybe ?02:14
PsynoKhi0heh02:14
neighborleelol02:14
PsynoKhi0could be, gave up on it for now02:14
neighborleeive heard various ..ahem comments about it ;)02:14
neighborleeI think thats a good idea.02:14
neighborleegrabbing 202:14
kingair_sixhello, I got a question about a network issue with my belkin 7010 PC card (broadcom chipset). the b43 driver from linuxwireless.org is installed an everything, but wifi-radar wont recognize the card, is running on eth0 instead, and network manager cant be started. i'm a relative noob, so i'd appreciate any help. thank you!02:15
PsynoKhi0FF3 was eating all my cpu cycles for no apparent reasons after a few minutes02:16
neighborleeouch02:17
neighborleeok..I have a suggestion02:18
PsynoKhi0kingair_six: can't be of any help myself, complete wireless illiterate sorry02:18
neighborleerip ff3 OUT of xubntu at once..its clearlly NOT stable.02:18
thinkmassiveall this talk of menu.xml reminds me that I still haven't figured out a straight-forward way to drag an icon from the menu to the panel... can someone point me to some instructions on how to do this?02:18
neighborleeI removed it, and installed firefox2, and   my flash sites aer working just great...02:18
thinkmassivewell FF3 is a beta02:18
neighborleethen why was it included for petes sake.02:18
neighborleelinux isn't beta software..I dont get it ;)02:19
thinkmassiveFedora 9 was released today and they include FF3 beta 2 also02:19
PsynoKhi0thinkmassive: indeed, and as such has nothing to do in an LTS distro imo02:19
thinkmassiveprobably just to "compete" with ubuntu02:19
neighborleethey were equally stupid.02:19
thinkmassivePsynoKhi0: good point02:19
neighborleeagreed...and its just stilly02:19
neighborleelol silly ;)02:19
thinkmassiveFF is getting bloated02:19
neighborleeanyway..its just annoying to be frustrated by obvious simple things to avoid ;)02:19
neighborleethinkmassive,  yeah true02:19
PsynoKhi0using opera for the most part...02:20
thinkmassiveso... is there an easy way to place a shortcut on the panel from the xfce menu?02:20
thinkmassiveI thought I used to be able to right-click and select "add launcher to panel"02:20
neighborleePsynoKhi0, hmm how do you like opera  compared to ff then...02:20
neighborleethinkmassive, oh yes easily02:20
neighborleethinkmassive, right click bar and choose add item02:21
neighborleethen the first 'item' on dialogue that comes up, is what you want02:21
neighborleethinkmassive, launcher <02:21
PsynoKhi0neighborlee: I've been using opera since 2001 or so... kinda biased towards it :P02:21
thinkmassivehmm yeah, but how do I get the same icon as in the menu?02:21
neighborleePsynoKhi0, ahhh yes ,,,one friend uses it alot so ;)02:21
neighborleethinkmassive, but thats a main menu icon, why would you want that02:22
neighborleethinkmassive, if you do, I am not sure where it is other than /usr/share/pixmaps02:22
thinkmassiveoh sorry, I meant the icon from the application02:22
PsynoKhi0thinkmassive, first you could give it a try with the same name for the icon as the app name02:22
thinkmassiveas an example, say I want to add Pidgin to my panel02:22
thinkmassiveI just thought maybe there was a direct method I was missing, but maybe that was from an old ubuntu install before I discovered the beauty of xfce02:23
thinkmassivethanks anyway :)02:23
neighborleebrb02:24
PsynoKhi0thinkmassive: name "Pidgin" icon "pidgin-menu" executable "pidgin"02:28
PsynoKhi0or choose another icon from /usr/share/pixmaps02:29
thinkmassiveooh I see, so any apps that have a menu entry probably have an icon in the pixmaps dir02:31
thinkmassivemuch appreciated, thank you!02:32
BigBursomebody told me that debian running with xfce would actually run faster than xubuntu - any opinions?02:36
BigBurI've never touched debian mysefl02:36
PsynoKhi0thinkmassive: n02:36
PsynoKhi0np*02:37
PsynoKhi0BigBur: me neither :)02:37
thinkmassiveI used to use debian but *ubuntu has a much larger community02:37
thinkmassiveyou can create the same system starting from either base02:37
PsynoKhi0nite02:38
BigBurmy house is about to flood03:55
BigBurmethinks03:55
BigBurnot that anyone really cares, but I felt like sharing03:55
Deniz_OgutIs there anyone in charge df xubuntu bugs who can give some time to me? I want to ask something about an important bug before reporting it.04:01
mib_rqy2xyfor the record, i have a ibook g4 a1054 and xubuntu 8 and 7 would not boot while 6 did (8 alternative installed but would not boot)04:10
Mannequinhi04:16
Mannequinfrom time to time the clipboard starts acting weird04:17
Mannequinif I try to copy and paste, I always get this:04:17
MannequinŸŸ04:17
Mannequinis there anyway to reset it from the command line?04:17
noclueokay, so i lost power during upgrade to hardy heron, and now xubuntu seems broken... any ideas on how to "re-upgrade"?05:26
deformationhello05:39
deformationI am having a small annoying problem, my windows partition and other internal partitions does not show in the side panel of thunar or in the panel places, it used to show there automatically in gutsy, but now whenever i want to access them i have to go to /media, anyone knows why and how to fix this?05:41
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surgyhello07:04
surgyi just got my fluxbuntu install on my 400mhz 256 mb ram carputer and im not happy, what package do i need to install in order for me to try out xfce?07:04
ere4sisurgy: xubuntu-desktop07:06
surgydoes xfce run faster than fluxbox?07:06
ere4sisurgy: there's not much diff but flux is a bit quicker07:07
surgybut flux sucks07:07
surgythis comp should be running pretty quick with my setup and its not07:07
ere4sisurgy: I use it and find it ok... - what trouble do you have?07:07
surgyim having all kinds of trouble with acpi07:08
surgyopening firefox blows, videos are choppy.........07:08
surgyi mean with windows 2000 and all unnessisary services killed, it was pretty smooth07:09
zoredache /join #php07:09
surgyme?07:09
ere4sisurgy: have you installed you vid card drivers - that might be the vvid issue?07:10
surgyis it the same process as kubuntu?07:10
ere4sisurgy: it should be   sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg    in a terminal07:11
surgyim talking about everything is slow, i was expecting it to be at least decently quick at web browsing07:11
ere4sibut with fluxbuntu who knows07:11
t3hwiz0rdhow can i tell what terminal app is used by the one in my Accessories window? cos its clearly not xterm07:12
ere4sisurgy: I read a while ago that fluxbuntu had some issues with hardware detection - tried asking in #fluxbuntu?07:12
TheSheept3hwiz0rd: it's xfce4-terminal, you can read it in the help->about dialog07:13
surgyyeah that channel is pretty dead most of the time07:13
t3hwiz0rdahhh07:13
ere4sit3hwiz0rd: using xubuntu? - it is xfce4-terminal07:13
t3hwiz0rdere4si: yeah, im using kubuntu with xfce on it07:13
t3hwiz0rdnow, how do i set it up to start with blank sessions only07:13
TheSheepblank sessions?07:14
ere4sit3hwiz0rd: using xfce or xubuntu-desktop?07:14
t3hwiz0rd]like new sessions07:14
t3hwiz0rdright now it restores my session07:15
t3hwiz0rdi dont want that07:15
TheSheept3hwiz0rd: just close everything and check the 'save my session' checkbox when logging out, then uncheck it the next time07:17
t3hwiz0rdtheres no way to just start new sessions?? lol07:17
TheSheepyou can also delete everything from the ~/.cache/sessions directory07:17
TheSheepxfce's sessions are kind of nonfunctional :/07:18
t3hwiz0rdi mean i know its quick on its logins07:19
t3hwiz0rdand signifcantly lighter on loads than kde was07:19
t3hwiz0rdokay one last question07:22
t3hwiz0rdwhere do i put icon themes?07:22
ere4sit3hwiz0rd: ~/.icons07:23
t3hwiz0rdodd, no such folder07:23
ere4sit3hwiz0rd: you can make it07:24
hi365where are the settings for things like screensaver and power management saved?09:20
t3hwiz0rdrawr09:57
t3hwiz0rdxubuntu is giving me aq few buggies09:58
hi365where are the settings for things like screensaver and power management saved?10:15
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zooboxhello12:46
zooboxhow do the security work in xubuntu? how is it verified that packages downloaded with synaptic or other packagemanager is not hacked by a man-in-the-middle attack?12:47
TheSheepzoobox: through a ssl key12:48
TheSheepzoobox: you can see what keys you have installed in system->package sources12:49
zooboxTheSheep: aha. those two.. 437D05B5 and FBB75451 ?12:51
TheSheepyes12:53
zooboxbut if somethings, say some advanced evil backdoorimplementing program that accesses the ext3-partition when I run WinXP last time, modifies those (and/or other things in ubuntu) then I can't really know... right?12:57
ablomenzoobox, no pc is a 100% safe12:59
TheSheepzoobox: you can verify them every time after you run malicious backdoorimplementing programs13:00
ablomenTheSheep, lol13:00
TheSheepzoobox: but if you want security, run windows in a virtual machine13:00
TheSheepzoobox: btw, if the program has free access to your drive, it can do much worse things than modifying the keys13:01
zooboxhmm...13:04
zooboxyeah I guess so. since I do run multiple operating systems that can write to my linux partitions .13:06
zooboxbut even without those, I bet that some motivated hacker that wants to translate my linux-installation to a spambot or something probably can fool me to enter my sudo password when I should not :-)13:08
TheSheepyeah, there are insecure spots at the edges13:21
TheSheepit's always at the connection13:21
TheSheepbetween the human and the machine or between two machines (or two operating systems)13:21
kripzToday i was at uni and network manager authed to the wireless network, got an ip/dns/default route but i was unable to access the internet or the intranet. I couldnt even ping the dns/default route, what could of caused this?13:26
jcgrvHello. I added successfully my Epson Stylus C84 printer to Xubuntu. I see it, but I can't print anything. Jobs get submitted and marked as completed but the printer doesn't do anything.14:17
jcgrvThe same printer works fine from Windows 200014:17
yotuxhave a question about Xubuntu14:31
yotuxI currently use ubuntu, if I install Xubuntu will my install of Ubuntu slow down Xubuntu?14:32
yotuxI am looking for a lightweight GUI XFCE I think will do this14:32
jcgrvyotux: no, you will just be able to choose which desktop environment you want to use at login time, and the corresponding libraries will be loaded.14:33
yotuxok so I am understaning that the libs from Gnome are loaded after boot14:34
yotuxI have used KDE & Gnome14:34
yotuxso I know what you are talking about when you say choose X window manager14:35
jcgrvBoth Gnome & Xfce use GTK+ as the toolkit, so some libraries will be shared. I like better Xfce, it seems faster, but I also like the way it looks.14:49
jcgrvhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_X_Window_System_desktop_environments14:49
jcgrvI added successfully my Epson Stylus C84 printer to Xubuntu. I see it, but I can't print anything. Jobs get submitted and marked as completed but the printer doesn't do anything.15:03
jcgrvThe same printer works fine from Windows 200015:03
jcgrv Success. Uninstalled it and reinstalled it15:15
mnemochi, should i do anything to turn a 8.04 beta installation into a 8.04 final beside normal updates?15:18
mnemocmy browser still firefox 3b5 :\15:19
ablomenmnemoc, there is no final firefox 3 yet15:21
ablomenso it will stay 3b5 until that comes out and is packaged etc15:22
mnemocablomen: ah, ok... i thought it was old as the google toolbar refused to install15:22
ablomennah a lot of extentions dont work yet15:22
ablomenthe only ones that i got to work where from the ubuntu repo's15:23
ablomen(tools->addons->get ubuntu extentions)15:23
mnemocthanks :)15:23
ablomennp :)15:23
t3hwiz0rdxubuntu wont put my monitor to sleep :-\15:28
kabamHi, I'm hoping someone can help me.  I am using Xubuntu on a Sony Laptop. Gutsy worked fine, Hardy is having an issue with the scroll wheel on my trackpad.  If I scroll up or down, it just keeps scrolling. It will switch my desktops, scroll through tabs, etc etc.  The only reference I have found to this problem is the comment here: http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=533#comment-118007  Does anyone have any ideas?16:58
kabamI booted on to the gutsy live cd and it doesn't do it, but it does on hardy.16:58
t3hwiz0rddoes xfce not have an autoprompt for hardware? like usb drives?17:05
zoredachet3hwiz0rd: assuming a standard install and your usb + drive + filesystem on the drive is supported. then xubuntu should automatically mount your usb drive when you insert it17:09
kabamdoes anyone have any ideas?17:10
gabkdllykabam: hi17:11
zoredachekabam: you could reconfigure xorg and set your mouse to a generic two button mouse17:11
kabamhi gadklly17:12
kabamzoredache, I'd much rather get it working properly17:12
gabkdllykabam: since you are not the only one with this problem it is unlikely that it is hardware, particularly since you say it is fine in gutsy17:12
gabkdllykabam: did you check whether there is a bug filed about it on launchpad?17:13
kabamLaunchpad?17:13
zoredache!launchpad17:13
ubottuLaunchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/17:13
kabamnone that I can find about this specific issue17:17
gabkdllykabam: please consider filing a bug of your own17:47
kabamI'm trying to....I think I'll have it up in a few minutes.  I have to keep restarting to stop it from scrolling :)  I am hoping you would have a look at it to make sure it looks ok?18:02
Deniz_OgutHello; is there anybody using Xubuntu 8.04/Turkish locale? I want to discuss a problem briefly.18:05
kabamhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-mouse/+bug/230391 Does this look ok; is there any other information I should provide?18:32
ubottuLaunchpad bug 230391 in xserver-xorg-input-mouse "Scroll Wheel does not stop scrolling" [Undecided,New]18:32
jarnosHow do you get an instant screenshot by a shortcut key?18:42
jarnosCan you do it by xwd?19:00
nikinhy.. i am using xubuntu but i want to use fluxbox... i made according .xinitrc file to use with startx, but this way NetworkManager does not work.. neither the authentication needed for network-admin and users-admin19:31
nikincan anyone help what i want to change19:31
nikin-want +have19:31
nikinre19:48
nikinWhen does NetworkManager start? durning the booting/login process?19:48
nikinand the apparmor?19:48
zoredacheI believe net start is on of the autostarted applications  look in the applications settings menu19:55
nikinonly nm-applet starts then19:55
nikinmy problem is that i waant to use fluxbox insteaad19:55
nikinbut apparmor and NetworkManager does not start..19:56
nikinso i have no Network Manager.. nor Network-admin19:58
nikinbrb19:58
L0GG3Dhi20:39
L0GG3Di have problems installing beryl on xubuntu can any one help me?20:40
TheSheep!compiz20:55
ubottuCompiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion20:55
jarnosWhy I can not use Alt+SysRq as a shortcut key in Xfce?20:58
TheSheepjarnos: becouse ubuntu kernel uses it as a magic key sequence for directly contrllng kernel21:05
TheSheepjarnos: switch to text mode for a moment and try pressing alt+sysrq+tab21:06
jarnosTheSheep: Why would I try it?21:07
jarnosTheSheep: Anyway there should be some kind of notification about it in Keyboard preferences.21:08
TheSheepjarnos: to see what you can do with it21:08
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TheSheepjarnos: but there is no way to check it, and you can compile your own kernel...21:09
jarnosTheSheep: Is there some documentation about that key magic controlling kernel?21:10
TheSheepjarnos: sure, google should know it21:10
TheSheephttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key21:11
michel_how can you change the source list?21:27
slider2800greets all21:31
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slider2800can someone help me with Cron?21:31
slider2800i'm trying to set up my computer as an alarm clock, starting VLC playing a streamed radio, but somehow it won't work.21:32
slider2800cron that is21:32
slider2800i even seem to get everything right with crontab, yet at the give time i get nothing.21:34
slider2800ookay. i try another channel then.21:35
TheSheepslider2800: I think there is a panel plugin that does that21:36
slider2800panel plugin?21:36
slider2800hmm.21:36
slider2800never checked that21:36
TheSheepslider2800: the problem with vlc might be that it needs to be started in X21:36
slider2800i even tried with running a bash script that starts vlc and some other things21:37
slider2800but nothing seem to work21:37
slider2800also something like this : 0 6 * * *      notify-send -u normal -i gtk-info -t 600000 "ALARM CLOCK ENGAGED" "Good morning."21:38
slider2800the command works perfectly from command line/terminal21:39
slider2800but nothing i enter into crontab seems to have an effect.21:39
slider2800i even restarted cron21:39
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slider2800ah, nevermind. i stick to my phone's alarm then :P21:41
slider2800good night folks21:41
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D3RGPS31I've just switched from Ubuntu to Kubuntu, but XFCE pops up with gnome's desktop whenever i run certain programs (wine mostly), how do i stop that?23:00
TheSheepwait, what has xfce to do with kubuntu and ubuntu? :)23:03
D3RGPS31>.> i meant Xubuntu23:04
D3RGPS31sorry >.<23:04
TheSheepah, sorry, late here23:04
TheSheepwell, the problem is that Nautilus is getting started and then it takes over the desktop, because that's what nautilus normally does23:04
TheSheepbut why it gets started -- I'm not sure23:05
TheSheepyou might check if you don't have it associated with .exe files for example23:05
TheSheep(right click and select properties on some .exe file)23:05
D3RGPS31i'll try that =D23:06
D3RGPS31how do i check if WINE is associated with nautilus23:06
D3RGPS31(i compiled it before i removed gnome/ubuntu23:07
TheSheepI don't hink it is23:07
TheSheepif you don't need nautilus, you can uninstall it23:08
D3RGPS31it is uninstalled23:08
D3RGPS31i just checked23:08
TheSheepthen how come it starts?23:08
D3RGPS31i don't know, that's why i'm here xD23:09
TheSheepwhat happens when you type 'nautilus' in a terminal?23:10
D3RGPS31not currently installed23:10
D3RGPS31should i have restarted after uninstalling gnome/ubuntu and installing xfce/xubuntu?23:10
TheSheepwhat did you exactly mean by 'gnome desktop'?23:11
TheSheepno, relogging should be enough23:11
D3RGPS31the drag-select desktop with hardy heiron background23:11
TheSheepD3RGPS31: xfce has a similar one, although much simplier23:12
D3RGPS31i know23:12
TheSheepD3RGPS31: if you go to the System Monitor, can you see nautilus on the list when that desktop appears?23:13
D3RGPS31TheSheep: never checked there when it happened23:14
D3RGPS31i just went to Desktop and re-checked allow xfce to manage desktop23:14
D3RGPS31i think i got it =D thanks23:18
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