[00:05] <gkahla> an 'apt-cache search' for pthread-stubs.pc tells me libpthread-stubs0-dev is where to find the config file... it's installed, but a package I'm compiling can't find it - ideas?
[00:16] <gkahla> going to find something to chew on - later!
[00:17] <PsynoKhi0> hi again, can a swap partiton be physically damaged, and if so, is there a way to check/repair it?
[00:22] <lars_> hello?
[00:25] <Deniz_Ogut> Hello,I've just performed a distro upgrade to xubuntu 8.04 via Web. I'm using Turkish locale. For I upgrade via Web, almost all my settings are as they were and I didn't have a problem. But today I added a new user and when I switch to that user's desktop what I see is the main Xfce menu of the new user is empty. No applications, nothing. Just "help", "about xfce" and "quit" buttons. On the...
[00:25] <Deniz_Ogut> ...panel there are Firefox button, "places" button and quit button apart from main Xfce menu but -as I say- it is empty. Any idea?
[00:26] <lars_> Oh yippee. Xubuntu has no forums and an IRC channel with nobody home. is there ANY reason not to go back to VectorLinux
[00:27] <Deniz_Ogut> @lars_ Hello Lars_
[00:31] <PsynoKhi0> about the missing aps I don't know, maybe check your your privileges for that new user
[00:33] <Deniz_Ogut> I can reach the applications for that user via alt-F2
[00:34] <PsynoKhi0> there is indeed no official forum for xubuntu, though afaik the same applies for other ubuntu flavors, since the ubuntu forums do the trick in most cases
[00:34] <PsynoKhi0> bah he left
[00:36] <PsynoKhi0> do you have the Applications button?
[00:37] <Deniz_Ogut> No.
[00:37] <PsynoKhi0> right click on top panel, "add item" > Xfce Menu
[00:37] <BigBur> lar_ sounds like he's having an identity crisis, haha.
[00:37] <BigBur> lars_*
[00:38] <Deniz_Ogut> I did it. I have Xfce menu but....
[00:38] <Deniz_Ogut> just "about" and "quit" buttons under it! Interesting.
[00:40] <PsynoKhi0> if you start Thunar and check for a .config folder (hidden by default) is there anything in there
[00:42] <Deniz_Ogut> Hmmm. googd idea . Do you remember the exact route for .config? Do you mean xog.config or something else?
[00:42] <Deniz_Ogut> * xorg.config
[00:43] <PsynoKhi0> it's in your /home/<user>/ directory
[00:43] <Deniz_Ogut> ok,i am checking it. Thanks.
[00:47] <Deniz_Ogut> There are 3 directories under it.
[00:47] <Deniz_Ogut> konuk@marenostrum:~/.config$ ls
[00:47] <Deniz_Ogut> mousepad  Thunar  xfce4
[00:48] <PsynoKhi0> xfce4 then
[00:48] <Deniz_Ogut> going in it
[00:49] <Deniz_Ogut> There are 4 directories under it:
[00:49] <Deniz_Ogut> konuk@marenostrum:~/.config/xfce4$ ls
[00:49] <Deniz_Ogut> desktop  mcs_settings  panel  xfwm4
[00:50] <PsynoKhi0> desktop
[00:50] <Deniz_Ogut> going under it.
[00:51] <Deniz_Ogut> There are 2 things:
[00:51] <Deniz_Ogut> konuk@marenostrum:~/.config/xfce4/desktop$ ls
[00:51] <Deniz_Ogut> icons.screen0.rc  menu.xml
[00:52] <PsynoKhi0> menu.xml (right click, Mousepad)
[00:55] <Deniz_Ogut> Here it is:
[00:55] <Deniz_Ogut> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>

[00:55] <Deniz_Ogut> 	<app name="Kılavuz" cmd="xfbrowser4 /usr/share/xubuntu-docs/about/xubuntu-index.html" icon="gnome-help"/>
[00:55] <Deniz_Ogut> 	<app name="Xfce Hakkında" cmd="xfce4-about" icon="info"/>
[00:55] <Deniz_Ogut> 	<builtin name="Çık" cmd="quit" icon="gnome-logout"/>

[00:55] <PsynoKhi0> wait
[00:55] <PsynoKhi0> use the pastebin please :P
[00:56] <Deniz_Ogut> those Turkish words mean: Kilavuz= something like about,Xfce hakkında= About Xfce, Çık= Quit
[00:56] <Deniz_Ogut> Those 3 are what I see under main menu. But no applications, system etc.
[00:56] <PsynoKhi0> yup
[00:57] <Deniz_Ogut> sorry, I thik I have to learn about pastebin.
[00:57] <PsynoKhi0> np, http://pastebin.com
[00:57] <PsynoKhi0> paste our content there
[00:57] <PsynoKhi0> your*
[00:57] <Deniz_Ogut> Sorryagain and thank you. I will learn.
[00:58] <PsynoKhi0> your menu.xml is missing the important parts though
[00:58] <PsynoKhi0> rename it to menu.old, log out and then log back in
[00:59] <PsynoKhi0> that might solve your problem
[00:59] <PsynoKhi0> if not I'll give you the lines to add in your menu file
[01:00] <Deniz_Ogut> Thank you. By the way,should I do like this?
[01:00] <Deniz_Ogut> http://pastebin.com/m42013351
[01:01] <purpleposeidon> ??winmodem
[01:01] <purpleposeidon> ooh, I should regenerate my ssh keys?
[01:01] <purpleposeidon> !winmodem
[01:01] <PsynoKhi0> awesome :) can you please try to rename that file and log out/in first?
[01:02] <Deniz_Ogut> ok. thanks.
[01:29] <xStandarshy> hi room
[01:39] <thinkmassive> hello
[01:41] <David-A> hello my friend
[01:44] <quaal> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=477454
[01:51] <Deniz_Ogut> @PsynoKhi0: Hi again. That doesn't work. After I changed the name from menu.xml to menu.old; nothing changed with regard to the newuser and what's moru Xfce couldn't open my default user sessin; it suspended at the auto start stage of opening session. So I changed the new user's file to the original and I can log in my default user's sesion as well. By the way I copied the default (main)...
[01:51] <Deniz_Ogut> ...user's menu.xml file. I can replace it with the new user's if you advice so.
[01:53] <PsynoKhi0> Deniz_Ogut: ah, dang... well your menu.xml was missing a few lines, hang on
[01:55] <Deniz_Ogut> By the way: menu.xml of the main user has almost no similarity with the new user's. I have both at hand now. I can replace the newuser's menu.xml either with the one you maybe will be sending to me or with the main user's menu.xml.
[01:57] <PsynoKhi0> Deniz_Ogut: http://pastebin.com/m11636034 the lines that were in my menu.xml file but not yours are highlighted, though you would have to check the 'name="" ' to fit your locale settings
[01:59] <Deniz_Ogut> Thank you verymuch. What can you sayabout the idea to replace it with my main users menu.xml. Main users session has no problem.
[01:59] <PsynoKhi0> could be the easiest
[01:59] <Deniz_Ogut> Thank you very much for taking your time.
[02:00] <Deniz_Ogut> Thank's a lot.
[02:01] <PsynoKhi0> np :)
[02:01] <PsynoKhi0> were you missing the icons on the desktop too?
[02:02] <Deniz_Ogut> No icons are there.
[02:02] <PsynoKhi0> ok
[02:11] <neighborlee> http://youtube.com/user/xomagick < HELP , I cant get this page to show up
[02:12] <neighborlee> I just installed java plugin, and I have flash 9 installed of course..what else am I missing ;)))
[02:12] <PsynoKhi0> can you open other flash pages?
[02:12] <neighborlee> ok THIS is odd
[02:13] <neighborlee> I just installed java plugin and now flash site wont work LOL
[02:13] <neighborlee> good lord ;00
[02:13] <PsynoKhi0> did you download it from their site?
[02:13] <neighborlee> I was able to view startrek.com just fine..now it says I dont have flash
[02:13] <neighborlee> no
[02:13] <neighborlee> from repo
[02:13] <neighborlee> but as I say startrek.com was working fine...
[02:13] <PsynoKhi0> flashplugin-nonfree?
[02:13] <neighborlee> correct
[02:14] <neighborlee> is firefox 3 a bit buggy maybe ?
[02:14] <PsynoKhi0> heh
[02:14] <neighborlee> lol
[02:14] <PsynoKhi0> could be, gave up on it for now
[02:14] <neighborlee> ive heard various ..ahem comments about it ;)
[02:14] <neighborlee> I think thats a good idea.
[02:14] <neighborlee> grabbing 2
[02:15] <kingair_six> hello, I got a question about a network issue with my belkin 7010 PC card (broadcom chipset). the b43 driver from linuxwireless.org is installed an everything, but wifi-radar wont recognize the card, is running on eth0 instead, and network manager cant be started. i'm a relative noob, so i'd appreciate any help. thank you!
[02:16] <PsynoKhi0> FF3 was eating all my cpu cycles for no apparent reasons after a few minutes
[02:17] <neighborlee> ouch
[02:18] <neighborlee> ok..I have a suggestion
[02:18] <PsynoKhi0> kingair_six: can't be of any help myself, complete wireless illiterate sorry
[02:18] <neighborlee> rip ff3 OUT of xubntu at once..its clearlly NOT stable.
[02:18] <thinkmassive> all this talk of menu.xml reminds me that I still haven't figured out a straight-forward way to drag an icon from the menu to the panel... can someone point me to some instructions on how to do this?
[02:18] <neighborlee> I removed it, and installed firefox2, and   my flash sites aer working just great...
[02:18] <thinkmassive> well FF3 is a beta
[02:18] <neighborlee> then why was it included for petes sake.
[02:19] <neighborlee> linux isn't beta software..I dont get it ;)
[02:19] <thinkmassive> Fedora 9 was released today and they include FF3 beta 2 also
[02:19] <PsynoKhi0> thinkmassive: indeed, and as such has nothing to do in an LTS distro imo
[02:19] <thinkmassive> probably just to "compete" with ubuntu
[02:19] <neighborlee> they were equally stupid.
[02:19] <thinkmassive> PsynoKhi0: good point
[02:19] <neighborlee> agreed...and its just stilly
[02:19] <neighborlee> lol silly ;)
[02:19] <thinkmassive> FF is getting bloated
[02:19] <neighborlee> anyway..its just annoying to be frustrated by obvious simple things to avoid ;)
[02:19] <neighborlee> thinkmassive,  yeah true
[02:20] <PsynoKhi0> using opera for the most part...
[02:20] <thinkmassive> so... is there an easy way to place a shortcut on the panel from the xfce menu?
[02:20] <thinkmassive> I thought I used to be able to right-click and select "add launcher to panel"
[02:20] <neighborlee> PsynoKhi0, hmm how do you like opera  compared to ff then...
[02:20] <neighborlee> thinkmassive, oh yes easily
[02:21] <neighborlee> thinkmassive, right click bar and choose add item
[02:21] <neighborlee> then the first 'item' on dialogue that comes up, is what you want
[02:21] <neighborlee> thinkmassive, launcher <
[02:21] <PsynoKhi0> neighborlee: I've been using opera since 2001 or so... kinda biased towards it :P
[02:21] <thinkmassive> hmm yeah, but how do I get the same icon as in the menu?
[02:21] <neighborlee> PsynoKhi0, ahhh yes ,,,one friend uses it alot so ;)
[02:22] <neighborlee> thinkmassive, but thats a main menu icon, why would you want that
[02:22] <neighborlee> thinkmassive, if you do, I am not sure where it is other than /usr/share/pixmaps
[02:22] <thinkmassive> oh sorry, I meant the icon from the application
[02:22] <PsynoKhi0> thinkmassive, first you could give it a try with the same name for the icon as the app name
[02:22] <thinkmassive> as an example, say I want to add Pidgin to my panel
[02:23] <thinkmassive> I just thought maybe there was a direct method I was missing, but maybe that was from an old ubuntu install before I discovered the beauty of xfce
[02:23] <thinkmassive> thanks anyway :)
[02:24] <neighborlee> brb
[02:28] <PsynoKhi0> thinkmassive: name "Pidgin" icon "pidgin-menu" executable "pidgin"
[02:29] <PsynoKhi0> or choose another icon from /usr/share/pixmaps
[02:31] <thinkmassive> ooh I see, so any apps that have a menu entry probably have an icon in the pixmaps dir
[02:32] <thinkmassive> much appreciated, thank you!
[02:36] <BigBur> somebody told me that debian running with xfce would actually run faster than xubuntu - any opinions?
[02:36] <BigBur> I've never touched debian mysefl
[02:36] <PsynoKhi0> thinkmassive: n
[02:37] <PsynoKhi0> np*
[02:37] <PsynoKhi0> BigBur: me neither :)
[02:37] <thinkmassive> I used to use debian but *ubuntu has a much larger community
[02:37] <thinkmassive> you can create the same system starting from either base
[02:38] <PsynoKhi0> nite
[03:55] <BigBur> my house is about to flood
[03:55] <BigBur> methinks
[03:55] <BigBur> not that anyone really cares, but I felt like sharing
[04:01] <Deniz_Ogut> Is there anyone in charge df xubuntu bugs who can give some time to me? I want to ask something about an important bug before reporting it.
[04:10] <mib_rqy2xy> for the record, i have a ibook g4 a1054 and xubuntu 8 and 7 would not boot while 6 did (8 alternative installed but would not boot)
[04:16] <Mannequin> hi
[04:17] <Mannequin> from time to time the clipboard starts acting weird
[04:17] <Mannequin> if I try to copy and paste, I always get this:
[04:17] <Mannequin> ŸŸ
[04:17] <Mannequin> is there anyway to reset it from the command line?
[05:26] <noclue> okay, so i lost power during upgrade to hardy heron, and now xubuntu seems broken... any ideas on how to "re-upgrade"?
[05:39] <deformation> hello
[05:41] <deformation> I am having a small annoying problem, my windows partition and other internal partitions does not show in the side panel of thunar or in the panel places, it used to show there automatically in gutsy, but now whenever i want to access them i have to go to /media, anyone knows why and how to fix this?
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[07:04] <surgy> hello
[07:04] <surgy> i just got my fluxbuntu install on my 400mhz 256 mb ram carputer and im not happy, what package do i need to install in order for me to try out xfce?
[07:06] <ere4si> surgy: xubuntu-desktop
[07:06] <surgy> does xfce run faster than fluxbox?
[07:07] <ere4si> surgy: there's not much diff but flux is a bit quicker
[07:07] <surgy> but flux sucks
[07:07] <surgy> this comp should be running pretty quick with my setup and its not
[07:07] <ere4si> surgy: I use it and find it ok... - what trouble do you have?
[07:08] <surgy> im having all kinds of trouble with acpi
[07:08] <surgy> opening firefox blows, videos are choppy.........
[07:09] <surgy> i mean with windows 2000 and all unnessisary services killed, it was pretty smooth
[07:09] <zoredache>  /join #php
[07:09] <surgy> me?
[07:10] <ere4si> surgy: have you installed you vid card drivers - that might be the vvid issue?
[07:10] <surgy> is it the same process as kubuntu?
[07:11] <ere4si> surgy: it should be   sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg    in a terminal
[07:11] <surgy> im talking about everything is slow, i was expecting it to be at least decently quick at web browsing
[07:11] <ere4si> but with fluxbuntu who knows
[07:12] <t3hwiz0rd> how can i tell what terminal app is used by the one in my Accessories window? cos its clearly not xterm
[07:12] <ere4si> surgy: I read a while ago that fluxbuntu had some issues with hardware detection - tried asking in #fluxbuntu?
[07:13] <TheSheep> t3hwiz0rd: it's xfce4-terminal, you can read it in the help->about dialog
[07:13] <surgy> yeah that channel is pretty dead most of the time
[07:13] <t3hwiz0rd> ahhh
[07:13] <ere4si> t3hwiz0rd: using xubuntu? - it is xfce4-terminal
[07:13] <t3hwiz0rd> ere4si: yeah, im using kubuntu with xfce on it
[07:13] <t3hwiz0rd> now, how do i set it up to start with blank sessions only
[07:14] <TheSheep> blank sessions?
[07:14] <ere4si> t3hwiz0rd: using xfce or xubuntu-desktop?
[07:14] <t3hwiz0rd> ]like new sessions
[07:15] <t3hwiz0rd> right now it restores my session
[07:15] <t3hwiz0rd> i dont want that
[07:17] <TheSheep> t3hwiz0rd: just close everything and check the 'save my session' checkbox when logging out, then uncheck it the next time
[07:17] <t3hwiz0rd> theres no way to just start new sessions?? lol
[07:17] <TheSheep> you can also delete everything from the ~/.cache/sessions directory
[07:18] <TheSheep> xfce's sessions are kind of nonfunctional :/
[07:19] <t3hwiz0rd> i mean i know its quick on its logins
[07:19] <t3hwiz0rd> and signifcantly lighter on loads than kde was
[07:22] <t3hwiz0rd> okay one last question
[07:22] <t3hwiz0rd> where do i put icon themes?
[07:23] <ere4si> t3hwiz0rd: ~/.icons
[07:23] <t3hwiz0rd> odd, no such folder
[07:24] <ere4si> t3hwiz0rd: you can make it
[09:20] <hi365> where are the settings for things like screensaver and power management saved?
[09:57] <t3hwiz0rd> rawr
[09:58] <t3hwiz0rd> xubuntu is giving me aq few buggies
[10:15] <hi365> where are the settings for things like screensaver and power management saved?
[12:46] <zoobox> hello
[12:47] <zoobox> how do the security work in xubuntu? how is it verified that packages downloaded with synaptic or other packagemanager is not hacked by a man-in-the-middle attack?
[12:48] <TheSheep> zoobox: through a ssl key
[12:49] <TheSheep> zoobox: you can see what keys you have installed in system->package sources
[12:51] <zoobox> TheSheep: aha. those two.. 437D05B5 and FBB75451 ?
[12:53] <TheSheep> yes
[12:57] <zoobox> but if somethings, say some advanced evil backdoorimplementing program that accesses the ext3-partition when I run WinXP last time, modifies those (and/or other things in ubuntu) then I can't really know... right?
[12:59] <ablomen> zoobox, no pc is a 100% safe
[13:00] <TheSheep> zoobox: you can verify them every time after you run malicious backdoorimplementing programs
[13:00] <ablomen> TheSheep, lol
[13:00] <TheSheep> zoobox: but if you want security, run windows in a virtual machine
[13:01] <TheSheep> zoobox: btw, if the program has free access to your drive, it can do much worse things than modifying the keys
[13:04] <zoobox> hmm...
[13:06] <zoobox> yeah I guess so. since I do run multiple operating systems that can write to my linux partitions .
[13:08] <zoobox> but even without those, I bet that some motivated hacker that wants to translate my linux-installation to a spambot or something probably can fool me to enter my sudo password when I should not :-)
[13:21] <TheSheep> yeah, there are insecure spots at the edges
[13:21] <TheSheep> it's always at the connection
[13:21] <TheSheep> between the human and the machine or between two machines (or two operating systems)
[13:26] <kripz> Today i was at uni and network manager authed to the wireless network, got an ip/dns/default route but i was unable to access the internet or the intranet. I couldnt even ping the dns/default route, what could of caused this?
[14:17] <jcgrv> Hello. I added successfully my Epson Stylus C84 printer to Xubuntu. I see it, but I can't print anything. Jobs get submitted and marked as completed but the printer doesn't do anything.
[14:17] <jcgrv> The same printer works fine from Windows 2000
[14:31] <yotux> have a question about Xubuntu
[14:32] <yotux> I currently use ubuntu, if I install Xubuntu will my install of Ubuntu slow down Xubuntu?
[14:32] <yotux> I am looking for a lightweight GUI XFCE I think will do this
[14:33] <jcgrv> yotux: no, you will just be able to choose which desktop environment you want to use at login time, and the corresponding libraries will be loaded.
[14:34] <yotux> ok so I am understaning that the libs from Gnome are loaded after boot
[14:34] <yotux> I have used KDE & Gnome
[14:35] <yotux> so I know what you are talking about when you say choose X window manager
[14:49] <jcgrv> Both Gnome & Xfce use GTK+ as the toolkit, so some libraries will be shared. I like better Xfce, it seems faster, but I also like the way it looks.
[14:49] <jcgrv> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_X_Window_System_desktop_environments
[15:03] <jcgrv> ﻿I added successfully my Epson Stylus C84 printer to Xubuntu. I see it, but I can't print anything. Jobs get submitted and marked as completed but the printer doesn't do anything.
[15:03] <jcgrv> ﻿The same printer works fine from Windows 2000
[15:15] <jcgrv>  Success. Uninstalled it and reinstalled it
[15:18] <mnemoc> hi, should i do anything to turn a 8.04 beta installation into a 8.04 final beside normal updates?
[15:19] <mnemoc> my browser still firefox 3b5 :\
[15:21] <ablomen> mnemoc, there is no final firefox 3 yet
[15:22] <ablomen> so it will stay 3b5 until that comes out and is packaged etc
[15:22] <mnemoc> ablomen: ah, ok... i thought it was old as the google toolbar refused to install
[15:22] <ablomen> nah a lot of extentions dont work yet
[15:23] <ablomen> the only ones that i got to work where from the ubuntu repo's
[15:23] <ablomen> (tools->addons->get ubuntu extentions)
[15:23] <mnemoc> thanks :)
[15:23] <ablomen> np :)
[15:28] <t3hwiz0rd> xubuntu wont put my monitor to sleep :-\
[16:58] <kabam> Hi, I'm hoping someone can help me.  I am using Xubuntu on a Sony Laptop. Gutsy worked fine, Hardy is having an issue with the scroll wheel on my trackpad.  If I scroll up or down, it just keeps scrolling. It will switch my desktops, scroll through tabs, etc etc.  The only reference I have found to this problem is the comment here: http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=533#comment-118007  Does anyone have any ideas?
[16:58] <kabam> I booted on to the gutsy live cd and it doesn't do it, but it does on hardy.
[17:05] <t3hwiz0rd> does xfce not have an autoprompt for hardware? like usb drives?
[17:09] <zoredache> t3hwiz0rd: assuming a standard install and your usb + drive + filesystem on the drive is supported. then xubuntu should automatically mount your usb drive when you insert it
[17:10] <kabam> does anyone have any ideas?
[17:11] <gabkdlly> kabam: hi
[17:11] <zoredache> kabam: you could reconfigure xorg and set your mouse to a generic two button mouse
[17:12] <kabam> hi gadklly
[17:12] <kabam> zoredache, I'd much rather get it working properly
[17:12] <gabkdlly> kabam: since you are not the only one with this problem it is unlikely that it is hardware, particularly since you say it is fine in gutsy
[17:13] <gabkdlly> kabam: did you check whether there is a bug filed about it on launchpad?
[17:13] <kabam> Launchpad?
[17:13] <zoredache> !launchpad
[17:17] <kabam> none that I can find about this specific issue
[17:47] <gabkdlly> kabam: please consider filing a bug of your own
[18:02] <kabam> I'm trying to....I think I'll have it up in a few minutes.  I have to keep restarting to stop it from scrolling :)  I am hoping you would have a look at it to make sure it looks ok?
[18:05] <Deniz_Ogut> Hello; is there anybody using Xubuntu 8.04/Turkish locale? I want to discuss a problem briefly.
[18:32] <kabam> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-mouse/+bug/230391 Does this look ok; is there any other information I should provide?
[18:42] <jarnos> How do you get an instant screenshot by a shortcut key?
[19:00] <jarnos> Can you do it by xwd?
[19:31] <nikin> hy.. i am using xubuntu but i want to use fluxbox... i made according .xinitrc file to use with startx, but this way NetworkManager does not work.. neither the authentication needed for network-admin and users-admin
[19:31] <nikin> can anyone help what i want to change
[19:31] <nikin> -want +have
[19:48] <nikin> re
[19:48] <nikin> When does NetworkManager start? durning the booting/login process?
[19:48] <nikin> and the apparmor?
[19:55] <zoredache> I believe net start is on of the autostarted applications  look in the applications settings menu
[19:55] <nikin> only nm-applet starts then
[19:55] <nikin> my problem is that i waant to use fluxbox insteaad
[19:56] <nikin> but apparmor and NetworkManager does not start..
[19:58] <nikin> so i have no Network Manager.. nor Network-admin
[19:58] <nikin> brb
[20:39] <L0GG3D> hi
[20:40] <L0GG3D> i have problems installing beryl on xubuntu can any one help me?
[20:55] <TheSheep> !compiz
[20:58] <jarnos> Why I can not use Alt+SysRq as a shortcut key in Xfce?
[21:05] <TheSheep> jarnos: becouse ubuntu kernel uses it as a magic key sequence for directly contrllng kernel
[21:06] <TheSheep> jarnos: switch to text mode for a moment and try pressing alt+sysrq+tab
[21:07] <jarnos> TheSheep: Why would I try it?
[21:08] <jarnos> TheSheep: Anyway there should be some kind of notification about it in Keyboard preferences.
[21:08] <TheSheep> jarnos: to see what you can do with it
[21:08] <TheSheep> !bugs | jarnos
[21:09] <TheSheep> jarnos: but there is no way to check it, and you can compile your own kernel...
[21:10] <jarnos> TheSheep: Is there some documentation about that key magic controlling kernel?
[21:10] <TheSheep> jarnos: sure, google should know it
[21:11] <TheSheep> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key
[21:27] <michel_> how can you change the source list?
[21:31] <slider2800> greets all
[21:31] <slider2800> can someone help me with Cron?
[21:32] <slider2800> i'm trying to set up my computer as an alarm clock, starting VLC playing a streamed radio, but somehow it won't work.
[21:32] <slider2800> cron that is
[21:34] <slider2800> i even seem to get everything right with crontab, yet at the give time i get nothing.
[21:35] <slider2800> ookay. i try another channel then.
[21:36] <TheSheep> slider2800: I think there is a panel plugin that does that
[21:36] <slider2800> panel plugin?
[21:36] <slider2800> hmm.
[21:36] <slider2800> never checked that
[21:36] <TheSheep> slider2800: the problem with vlc might be that it needs to be started in X
[21:37] <slider2800> i even tried with running a bash script that starts vlc and some other things
[21:37] <slider2800> but nothing seem to work
[21:38] <slider2800> also something like this : 0 6 * * *      notify-send -u normal -i gtk-info -t 600000 "ALARM CLOCK ENGAGED" "Good morning."
[21:39] <slider2800> the command works perfectly from command line/terminal
[21:39] <slider2800> but nothing i enter into crontab seems to have an effect.
[21:39] <slider2800> i even restarted cron
[21:41] <slider2800> ah, nevermind. i stick to my phone's alarm then :P
[21:41] <slider2800> good night folks
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[23:00] <D3RGPS31> I've just switched from Ubuntu to Kubuntu, but XFCE pops up with gnome's desktop whenever i run certain programs (wine mostly), how do i stop that?
[23:03] <TheSheep> wait, what has xfce to do with kubuntu and ubuntu? :)
[23:04] <D3RGPS31> >.> i meant Xubuntu
[23:04] <D3RGPS31> sorry >.<
[23:04] <TheSheep> ah, sorry, late here
[23:04] <TheSheep> well, the problem is that Nautilus is getting started and then it takes over the desktop, because that's what nautilus normally does
[23:05] <TheSheep> but why it gets started -- I'm not sure
[23:05] <TheSheep> you might check if you don't have it associated with .exe files for example
[23:05] <TheSheep> (right click and select properties on some .exe file)
[23:06] <D3RGPS31> i'll try that =D
[23:06] <D3RGPS31> how do i check if WINE is associated with nautilus
[23:07] <D3RGPS31> (i compiled it before i removed gnome/ubuntu
[23:07] <TheSheep> I don't hink it is
[23:08] <TheSheep> if you don't need nautilus, you can uninstall it
[23:08] <D3RGPS31> it is uninstalled
[23:08] <D3RGPS31> i just checked
[23:08] <TheSheep> then how come it starts?
[23:09] <D3RGPS31> i don't know, that's why i'm here xD
[23:10] <TheSheep> what happens when you type 'nautilus' in a terminal?
[23:10] <D3RGPS31> not currently installed
[23:10] <D3RGPS31> should i have restarted after uninstalling gnome/ubuntu and installing xfce/xubuntu?
[23:11] <TheSheep> what did you exactly mean by 'gnome desktop'?
[23:11] <TheSheep> no, relogging should be enough
[23:11] <D3RGPS31> the drag-select desktop with hardy heiron background
[23:12] <TheSheep> D3RGPS31: xfce has a similar one, although much simplier
[23:12] <D3RGPS31> i know
[23:13] <TheSheep> D3RGPS31: if you go to the System Monitor, can you see nautilus on the list when that desktop appears?
[23:14] <D3RGPS31> TheSheep: never checked there when it happened
[23:14] <D3RGPS31> i just went to Desktop and re-checked allow xfce to manage desktop
[23:18] <D3RGPS31> i think i got it =D thanks
[23:42] <ubuntunovice> ?