[03:37] <christoz> would you like to see my error message?I'm having problems on upgrading
[03:37] <christoz> please check this out @ http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/8562/screenshothardygk6.png
[04:20] <DanaG> !find kglobal.h
[04:22] <stdin> DanaG: kdelibs5-dev: /usr/lib/kde4/include/kglobal.h kdelibs4-dev: /usr/include/kde/kglobal.h
[04:23] <DanaG> Thanks.
[04:23] <stdin> the !find function is a little broken atm
[04:23] <DanaG> Aah, so that's it.
[04:23] <DanaG> Perhaps temporarily modify the bot to say "sorry, !find is broken at the moment"
[04:23] <stdin> tried, just broke it more :p
[04:24] <DanaG> Eek.
[04:24] <stdin> I'm trying to fix it anyway
[04:58] <Neo_The_User> hey ll
[04:58] <Neo_The_User> *all
[04:58] <Neo_The_User> excited about ubuntu 8.10?
[04:58] <Neo_The_User> how would i download the alpha version of ubuntu 8.10?
[04:59] <hydrogen> It's not alpha
[04:59] <hydrogen> so.. you wouldn't
[05:00] <Neo_The_User> pre-alpha then
[05:00] <hydrogen> you shouldn't.
[05:00] <Neo_The_User> I am a developer and I want to help out.
[05:01] <Neo_The_User> I know how to program. How do I become an ubuntu 8.10 developer?
[05:01] <Neo_The_User> hydrogen do you even know or are you just wasting my time?
[05:01] <hydrogen> of course I know
[05:01] <hydrogen> butg
[05:02] <hydrogen> I also know
[05:02] <hydrogen> that you don't want to
[05:02] <hydrogen> that is, the fact that you have to ask
[05:02] <hydrogen> means that you are not in a position where you should want to do so
[05:03] <Neo_The_User> I want to. I want to have a completly non-functional system and I want to spend the next 5 months or so perfecting it if you don't min.
[05:03] <Neo_The_User> *mind
[05:04] <vhaarr> perhaps I've watched too many detective shows lately, but your handle doesn't quite match up to your story
[05:04] <mhollisjr> I did my best to try not to bother you guys in here but so far #alsa ##linux #wine #pulseaudio and #ubuntu have ignored my question or not had any idea what the problem is for an hour and I know you are some knowledgeable people so I'm hoping someone will be willing to look at this .asoundrc http://pastebin.com/d1976b3de and give me some hint as to why the pcm.pulse and ctl.pulse are selectable in wine but are not putting out a
[05:04] <mhollisjr> ny sound
[05:05] <Neo_The_User> vhaarr, CSI im guessing?
[05:05] <vhaarr> that was just meant as a musing remark :P
[05:05] <vhaarr> Monk, actually
[05:05] <Neo_The_User> Does anybody know where I can get the screwed up version of ubuntu 8.10?
[05:05] <DanaG> ←_←
[05:05] <vhaarr> Fritzel: here's a tip; don't change your nick right after posting a question
[05:06] <Neo_The_User> lol
[05:06] <DanaG> →_→  ↑_↑ ↓_↓
[05:06] <vhaarr> Neo_The_User: install hardy and change sources.list
[05:06] <Fritzel> vhaarr, yeah sorry about that ><
[05:06] <Neo_The_User> i have Hardy
[05:06] <vhaarr> Fritzel: in any case, there's a patch/sound dll/something for wine somewhere that makes it use pulseaudio
[05:06] <Fritzel> I am using that
[05:06] <Fritzel> it's a registry entry
[05:06] <Fritzel> and it shows up in the application
[05:06] <Fritzel> but no sound is being pushed through it
[05:07] <vhaarr> I'm quite sure it's a binary blob of some sort
[05:07] <vhaarr> an actual pulseaudio driver for wine, you see
[05:07] <Fritzel> vhaarr, that would definatly be useful
[05:07] <Neo_The_User> where is sources.list
[05:07] <Neo_The_User> i just want to fix the source code for ubuntu 8.10
[05:07] <vhaarr> Fritzel: I know I have read about it in some WWN issue, the wine weekly newsletter
[05:08] <vhaarr> Neo_The_User: I just want fried chicken and icecream
[05:08] <Neo_The_User> me too
[05:08] <Fritzel> vhaarr, that's a step in a direction I can take, thank you I didn't have a clue what to look for previously
[05:08] <Neo_The_User> where is sources.list
[05:08] <vhaarr> Neo_The_User: heard of find, locate, google?
[05:08] <vhaarr> man
[05:08] <Neo_The_User> very funny
[05:08] <vhaarr> I didn't mean to be funny
[05:08] <vhaarr> I meant to point you in the direction of the tools you need to find sources.list
[05:09] <DanaG> Frankly, if you need to ask where sources.list is, you may not know what to do if (and when) something breaks.
[05:09] <Neo_The_User> atc/ yada yada yada
[05:09] <Neo_The_User> I am a programmer. new to linux old to C source code
[05:09] <DanaG> I've used development versions for a while, but I don't usually "hop on" until I see at least some new feature or package version, and not just a new toolchain.
[05:10] <Neo_The_User> etc/apt/sources.list
[05:10] <vhaarr> took you 1 minute to find it
[05:10] <hydrogen> as I said
[05:10] <hydrogen> you don't want to upgrade
[05:10] <Neo_The_User> no i mean where do i edit the sources.list  file???
[05:10] <hydrogen> because this isn't a support channel (tm)
[05:10] <vhaarr> s/\?\?\?/\?/g
[05:11] <Neo_The_User> hydrogen your not helping
[05:11] <hydrogen> right
[05:11] <hydrogen> thats intentional
[05:11] <Neo_The_User> so shut up
[05:11] <hydrogen> though in reality
[05:11] <hydrogen> I am helping
[05:11] <vhaarr> Neo_The_User: you just said it yourself, where sources.list is
[05:11] <Neo_The_User> yeah. exactly what part?
[05:11] <Neo_The_User> i cant find the place where i change the stuff
[05:12] <Neo_The_User> software sources then what?
[05:13] <hydrogen> ...
[05:13] <Neo_The_User> do you guys want ubuntu 8.10 more stable or not???????
[05:13] <hydrogen> Not if this is the price to pay
[05:13] <Neo_The_User> all i know is C and C++ Java and HTML
[05:13] <Neo_The_User> thats it. completly new to linux.
[05:13] <hydrogen> right
[05:13] <Neo_The_User> you just have to tell me some 2 sentence stuff
[05:14] <vhaarr> Fritzel: also note that I've uninstalled all pulseaudio packages except "libpulse0", and everything works fine here, I just use ALSA instead.
[05:14] <Neo_The_User> if you would just cooperate and tell me a few tiny little things
[05:14] <hydrogen> then you would be asking in five minutes for help
[05:14] <vhaarr> Fritzel: run wow, ventrilo, totem and audacity mostly
[05:14] <hydrogen> because thigns are broken
[05:14] <Fritzel> vhaarr, that was my original intent, however it didn't work for me
[05:14] <Neo_The_User> if its code i can fix it
[05:14] <vhaarr> Neo_The_User: it's not code
[05:14] <hydrogen> I highly doubt that, for one
[05:14] <vhaarr> Fritzel: okay, well it worked here :P
[05:14] <hydrogen> "Only developers comfortable with significant instability and recovering from up to, and including, total system failure should consider running Intrepid for now"
[05:14] <hydrogen> for two, that comes from the topic
[05:15] <Neo_The_User> I am comfortable with it
[05:15] <vhaarr> no, you're not
[05:15] <Fritzel> vhaarr, and I'm so close to getting it to work in a way I know will work if I can juts find someone who actually knows how a .asoundrc is constructed :/
[05:15] <vhaarr> FAR from it, in fact
[05:15] <vhaarr> Fritzel: I've never had a customized .asoundrc
[05:15] <Neo_The_User> just tell me some 2 basic things. i go into software sources and do what?
[05:15] <Neo_The_User> its a very easy question
[05:15] <vhaarr> Fritzel: clean hdd, installed hardy, nuked pulseaudio = win
[05:15]  * hydrogen wobblies his kopete window into expose view
[05:16] <vhaarr> Neo_The_User: I've provided you with sufficient information already
[05:16] <vhaarr> if you can't figure it out from there, I suggest you venture elsewhere
[05:16] <Neo_The_User> no u didnt
[05:16] <Neo_The_User> software sources then what?
[05:16] <hydrogen> You are so clearly not an experienced c coder..
[05:16] <Neo_The_User> im in software sources. JUST TELL ME!!!!!!!!!!
[05:16] <Neo_The_User> im all over google dumb shit
[05:16]  * MugginsM checks he's in #ubuntu+1, not #ubuntu
[05:17] <Fritzel> well besides uninstalling pulseaudio what did you have to do to switch to alsa, because I just reinstalled and with the exception of my /home directory I'm 3 hours fresh
[05:17] <Neo_The_User> known for psp hacking and developing
[05:17] <hydrogen> oh damn
[05:17] <Fritzel> vhaarr, just change it in sound preferences?
[05:17] <Neo_The_User> and ps3 kernel exploits
[05:17] <vhaarr> Fritzel: yeah in winecfg
[05:17] <Neo_The_User> wine sucks ass
[05:17]  * hydrogen giggles
[05:17] <hydrogen> what did I do!
[05:17] <vhaarr> Fritzel: been a while since I did it now, perhaps there was another step that I forget
[05:18] <vhaarr> Fritzel: in any case, I am *positive* that if you read the last 5-6 WWN issues, you'll find a binary pulseaudio for wine
[05:18] <Fritzel> vhaarr, well I havn't done it yet, I just want to make sure I can get back to this point because right now everything works except for wine, in perfect harmony
[05:18] <Fritzel> vhaarr, and they would be hosted on winehq?
[05:18] <vhaarr> s/pulseaudio/pulseaudio driver/
[05:19] <vhaarr> Fritzel: yes, wwn is hosted on winehq
[05:19] <vhaarr> that's all from me, good luck
[05:20] <Fritzel> I understand thank you, -googles for wwn since winehq has no apparent links
[05:20] <Fritzel> except the one that was staring me in the face ><
[05:21] <Fritzel> I found it thanks again
[05:22] <Neo_The_User> im downloading it right now
[05:22] <Neo_The_User> you could have just told me to check some stuff
[05:23] <DanaG> Why bother going to Intrepid this early?  So far there are no user-visible changes, I believe.
[05:23] <DanaG> You can probably test the same Wine thing on Hardy, right?
[05:23] <Neo_The_User> but im going to make it better
[05:23] <MugginsM> depends on the user :)
[05:23] <Neo_The_User> wine sucks. i could make a better windows emulator than that. if fact, anybody here could.
[05:24] <hydrogen> oh this has potential
[05:24] <Neo_The_User> Amaranth, i bet you could even make a better windows emulator
[05:24] <Neo_The_User> if wine is so good, howcome it can't run anymore than 0.000000000000000001 of the windows applications?
[05:24] <hydrogen> 1/10
[05:24] <hydrogen> you can do better
[05:24] <MugginsM> runs more than Vists does
[05:24] <Amaranth> Neo_The_User: I seem to remember you being banned
[05:25] <Neo_The_User> Amaranth yeah big deal. i have 30 proxies set up
[05:25] <Neo_The_User> i always get banned so i come prepared
[05:25] <hydrogen> then its 30 bans from the network for you!
[05:26] <MugginsM> he's probably in #mirc+1 demanding to know how to set up another proxy
[05:27] <Amaranth> hehe
[05:27] <hydrogen> no way dood
[05:27] <hydrogen> he's a c coder
[07:16] <tarzeau> is it possible the packages.ubuntu.com pages were not updated for a week?
[08:01] <ikonia> !intrepid
[09:34] <tech0007> where can i download ibex?
[09:35] <stdin> don't
[09:35] <tech0007> stdin: i want to try it, i have a spare
[09:36] <stdin> see the topic
[09:36] <tech0007> stdin: i can read
[09:36] <stdin> then you should know how to get it
[09:36] <tech0007> ok fine
[13:39] <PecisDarbs> there is no ibex live cds yet, is there?
[14:24] <rsk> is the toolchain built yet?
[16:18] <r00723r0> What changes are in Ibex?
[16:18] <r00723r0> Or will be?
[16:19] <vhaarr> unknown
[16:19] <vhaarr> you'll know around may 20th
[16:19] <r00723r0> Alright, makes sense.
[16:19] <r00723r0> When will it be beta?
[16:19] <vhaarr> october 2nd
[16:20] <r00723r0> Thanks. :)
[17:38] <vhaarr> 'at' depends on a MTA in the latest package update, which installs "citadel-mta" by default if you don't have an MTA installed
[17:38] <vhaarr> however, citadel-mta is not a supported package
[17:39] <vhaarr> postfix is, so it should be the default MTA, I think
[17:39] <vhaarr> in any case, I don't believe any ubuntu developers would be present here
[17:39] <vhaarr> so I'm not sure why I bother saying it
[17:40] <vhaarr> citadel-mta also depends on the citadel server package, which is very inconvenient if you prefer not running a Citadel server on your desktop