[07:12] <ethana2> ah
[07:13] <ethana2> I've made a mess of my themes with gedit again
[07:13] <ethana2> I understand you're here to make artwork for ubuntu
[07:13] <ethana2> would you recommend a different channel for theme related questions?
[07:16] <ethana2> I want to use the glossy theme for everything
[07:16] <ethana2> widgets and window decorations
[07:17] <ethana2> I want my title bars to be 12 pixels thick
[07:17] <ethana2> right now they're like 8
[07:18] <ethana2> oh no, human and glossy are different /all/ through them
[07:18] <ethana2> and I've screwed them both over royally
[07:18] <ethana2> before I knew I could do half the stuff with gconf-editor
[07:20] <ethana2> so I broke everything and am using the 'simple' window decoration theme /because/ it ignores my settings
[07:20] <ethana2> working around myself..  *rubs forehead*
[07:21] <ethana2> ok, where do I get a non-borked /usr/share/themes/$THEME/metacity-1/metacity-theme-1.xml for Glossy and Human?
[07:24] <ethana2> Is there a command I can use to reconfigure my theme information?
[07:27] <DanaG> ethana2: I can put my stock ones on my Cal Poly web space temporarily.
[07:28] <DanaG> Or you can purge and reinstall the package.
[07:28] <ethana2> DanaG: what package name?
[07:28] <ethana2> for the glossy and human themes?
[07:28]  * ethana2 searches
[07:29] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette
[07:29] <DanaG> I just put the whole folders Human and Glossy there.
[07:30] <ethana2> thanks, DanaG
[07:30] <ethana2> I'm nearing perfection with my gui!
[07:31] <ethana2> wget puts things in the current folder, right?
[07:31] <ethana2> yeah
[07:31] <ethana2> I hope it handles overwriting well
[07:32] <DanaG> You can use a browser and just copy the metacity xml.
[07:33] <ethana2> yeah, I'll do that
[07:35] <ethana2> drat, still messed up
[07:36] <ethana2> whatever have I done?
[07:37] <DanaG> Hmm, you may have to kill gnome-settings-daemon to force it to reload the theme.
[07:38] <ethana2> ah
[07:39] <ethana2> ok, I did that, still messed up
[07:39] <ethana2> wow, what a number I did
[07:39] <ethana2> better document the part that did what I wanted
[07:43] <ethana2> alright, well, I'm going to reinstall soon I guess
[07:43] <ethana2> got all my working changes in my email account
[07:44] <ethana2> thanks, rock on, and good day.
[17:18] <DShepherd> fedora art is not bad at all
[17:18] <DShepherd> what do you think of it?
[17:21] <troy_s> DShepherd: Completely ass.
[17:21] <troy_s> DShepherd: In the typical IRC response.  ;)
[17:22] <DShepherd> hehehe
[17:22] <troy_s> DShepherd: More appropriately 1) Lacking a clear message, 2) Lacking solid execution, 3) Lacking any sort of emotional evocation / etc.
[17:23] <DShepherd> troy_s, interesting..
[17:23] <troy_s> DShepherd: and all of the byproducts... monochromatic tedium, and on and on.  Rather like Ubuntu's Feisty.
[17:23] <troy_s> (And previous incarnations)
[17:29] <DanaG> You can also compare SuSE 10.3's ugly blandness to 10.2, 10.1, 10.0, and even 9.3 and 9.2
[17:29] <DanaG> Each was less "distinctive" than the previous.
[17:31] <DanaG> http://www.ffnn.nl/pages/gallery/startup-services76.php -- from 9.3 version; shows how their KDE splash matches their bootsplash.
[17:34] <troy_s> DanaG: Amen!
[17:36] <troy_s> DanaG: The obvious 'oops' was letting Diana Fong go from Fedora.  SUSEs problems are systemic.
[17:36] <troy_s> DanaG: I suppose ultimately it is this strange 'old school' FOSS attitude of sticking with this uber-functionality based approach.
[17:36] <troy_s> DanaG: The real-world problem with that is that while it might work great for those zealots of the Swiss Style, computers aren't appliances.
[17:37] <troy_s> DanaG: They are living spaces where people work, live, communicate, share, be emotional, and so on.
[17:37] <DanaG> http://www.tuxmachines.org/gallery/main.php -- useful reference.
[17:37] <DanaG> Too bad so few sites get screenshots of bootsplash or GDM themes.
[17:38] <troy_s> DanaG: More difficult perhaps as not all of them are run in a virtual machine (regarding bootsplashes)
[17:42] <DanaG> Aah.
[17:43] <DanaG> I do still kind of wish Ubuntu would use fbsplash, so we could have styled console backgrounds.
[17:43] <DanaG> Usplash can actually still run on top of it.
[17:44] <troy_s> DanaG: Things will happen eventually.  The problem is that Ubuntu is still quite small in terms of dev team (something like 70 (?) versus 2000 Red Hats)
[17:46] <_MMA_> Usplash needs to be scrapped. I've heard it a couple of times at UDS. Either that or overhauled. It's severely limited in resolution and color depth.
[17:49] <savvas> now *this* is a map :P http://en.opensuse.org/Image:OS11.0beta3-live-inst3.png
[17:49] <DanaG> Oh yeah, it's weird: I had thought that the changing wallpaper thing was causing periodic flickering on my display... then I finally realized it's actually my display itself.
[17:49] <troy_s> LOL
[17:49] <DanaG> Got day-night cycle?  "Ah! My Goddess Ending 2 - Wing"
[17:49] <DanaG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB70vGTigh0
[17:50] <troy_s> Good christ I am going to be sick.
[17:51] <DanaG> Huh?
[17:52] <troy_s> That video.  I think I just had a seizure.
[17:52] <DanaG> Why?
[17:52] <DanaG> Granted, it was kind of random.
[17:53] <DanaG> er, my linking to it was kind of randm.
[17:53] <DanaG> random.
[17:54] <_MMA_> DanaG: By my count its like the 3rd time. Something tells me you're a kid who wants attention. ;)
[17:54] <savvas> um.. does anyone have an picture of goat footprints on the ground?
[17:55] <DanaG> I do tend to forget what I've mentioned before.
[17:56] <troy_s> savvas: Are you needing an authentic image or something to build off of?
[17:58] <savvas> troy_s: not necessary to be authentic, but i need an ibex-like footprint, I got an idea for a wallpaper for the future release
[18:00] <troy_s> savvas: Uh... let me find an animal anatomy reference from my lib... hold tight.
[18:00] <savvas> great! :)
[18:00] <troy_s> You want just a print or the hoof?
[18:01] <savvas> both if you dont mind :)
[18:01] <savvas> I'm having some trouble with the rear end of my "ibex" :p
[18:02] <troy_s> savvas: Hrm... 1) I don't know if I can find a print, but it isn't a big deal.
[18:02] <troy_s> savvas: 2) Do you want a study on hind quarters for that morph of beast?
[18:02] <savvas> http://savvas.radevic.com/previews/ubuntu-ibex/ubuntu-ibex-0.2.png
[18:03] <savvas> mm just the hoof then, troy_s
[18:04] <DanaG> That reminds me oddly much of the HP "HDX Dragon" wallpaper -- it has a similar white band with logo, and a similar liney background.
[18:05] <savvas> yes DanaG :P
[18:05] <DanaG> And I know I've linked to it... so I won't repeat that link.
[18:05] <troy_s> savvas: Hrm... that's odd... I seem to remember a book with a study on hooves... apparently I am remembering the wrong darn book.
[18:05] <savvas> troy_s: anything to get me started :)
[18:06] <savvas> I'm thinking of loosing the footprints and placing a huge ibex face instead
[18:07] <savvas> but oh well.. i got a lot of time to work it through hehe
[18:09] <savvas> troy_s: if you remember the book's name highlight me with it and with the author's name if you can, I have to run, thanks :)
[18:10] <DanaG> OOh, second-edition Hardy Heron t-shirt.
[18:10] <DanaG> Yay.
[18:11] <troy_s> savvas: Just scanning.
[18:12] <DanaG> I think that wallpaper would look better without the large text.
[18:13] <_MMA_> And the blur.
[18:14] <_MMA_> And different colors.
[18:14] <_MMA_> And without the Ubuntu/Tux logo.
[18:14] <troy_s> _MMA_: LOL
[18:17] <DanaG> =þ
[18:17] <DanaG> "thorn" character rocks.
[21:01] <o0Chris0o> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibex