| jdong | bryce: sounds reasonable to me (shut up, wgrant and Hobbsee :P)... it's not like the installer writes any stateful info about the hardware | 00:03 |
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| wgrant | !jdong | 00:03 |
| ubottu | <Hobbsee> jdong: yes, but you're FULL OF CRACK! | 00:03 |
| Nafallo | hehe | 00:16 |
| Nafallo | that's almost harsh :-P | 00:17 |
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| macd | Has anyone had troubles with sshd after upgrade, newly generated keys from updated ssh/ssl gives errors when trying to auth via key on ssh, http://pastie.caboo.se/197206 | 00:54 |
| slangasek | macd: I haven't seen this. What version of Ubuntu are you running? | 00:56 |
| macd | in this case, my workstation is 8.04, 2 sshd's 7.10/8.04 both doing it | 00:56 |
| macd | I've tried removing/purging ssh things, and then deleteing all my keys, reinstalling ssh stuff, then regenerating my keys, still no go | 00:57 |
| macd | slangasek, ^ above (sorry forgot to prefix) | 00:58 |
| sdh | "If it works, edit the .ssh/authorized_keys file from your home directory. You will probably notice that you have a new line or an unappropriate character in your file. Each key on this file must be on one line only." | 00:59 |
| sdh | (from http://www.webprodevelopment.com/BrightLight/2006/01/09/fixing-a-sshd-error/) | 00:59 |
| slangasek | macd: does ssh -v give you any more useful information on the client side? | 00:59 |
| macd | sdh, thanks for the suggestion, but I figured that one out a long time ago ;P | 00:59 |
| sdh | macd: oh well :P | 00:59 |
| macd | slangasek, OpenSSH_4.7p1 Debian-8ubuntu1.2, OpenSSL 0.9.8g 19 Oct 2007 client/ OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-8ubuntu1.4, OpenSSL 0.9.8c 05 Sep 2006 server | 01:00 |
| macd | ohh, haha, not versions, verbosity | 01:02 |
| macd | slangasek, http://pastie.caboo.se/197224 | 01:02 |
| slangasek | macd: hmm, ok | 01:03 |
| slangasek | will try to reproduce here | 01:04 |
| macd | sure thing, need any other output, or a bug on LP opened | 01:04 |
| slangasek | I suggest going ahead with opening a bug on LP regardless | 01:06 |
| macd | slangasek, I just tried using the key on my workstation to ssh to a bsd box, works fine.... | 01:09 |
| slangasek | macd: and there's no doubt that the key you're using is newly-generated using a non-vulnerable version of openssh? | 01:14 |
| macd | slangasek, no doubt at all | 01:15 |
| macd | slangasek, Im a bit short on time at the moment, but I'll file a bug and subscribe you to it, whats your LP | 01:16 |
| slangasek | macd: 'vorlon' | 01:16 |
| macd | seen that one a few times, reminds me of babyln5 | 01:16 |
| macd | slangasek, thanks, and take it easy | 01:16 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 06:54 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 07:27 |
| dholbach | did somebody ever encounter thunderbird not listing a mail folder (main view, filter view) even if it shows it as "subscribed to"? any advice? | 07:54 |
| dholbach | hum, it works after clicking and unclicking "show only subscribed folders" - nevermind | 08:01 |
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| cjwatson | macd: I'm going to need output from 'sshd -ddd' on the server side to diagnose that bug. That is, you have to run 'sudo /etc/init.d/ssh stop', then bring up sshd in debugging mode with 'sudo /usr/sbin/sshd -ddd' (yes, you need the full path there), connect to it once, then 'sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start' | 08:20 |
| tkamppeter | pitti, hi | 09:23 |
| pitti | hi tkamppeter | 09:28 |
| fabbione | hi guys | 09:35 |
| fabbione | you guys at UDS yet? | 09:35 |
| tkamppeter | pitti, I will be in Prag from Saturady on, with my wife and her parents, Sunday evening I move into the conference hotel. | 09:45 |
| tkamppeter | pitti, are you already in Prag? | 09:45 |
| pitti | fabbione: not yet, this evening | 09:45 |
| pitti | tkamppeter: ^ | 09:46 |
| fabbione | pitti: ok :) | 09:46 |
| tkamppeter | pitti, so you will visit Prag at first, too? | 09:46 |
| pitti | tkamppeter: no, only on Sunday; FOSSCamp will happen on Friday/Saturday | 09:47 |
| tkamppeter | I have prepared two blueprints: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/pdf-as-standard-print-job-format and https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/applications-printing | 09:50 |
| tkamppeter | ubotu, tell something about the blueprints ... | 09:50 |
| tkamppeter | I would like to get some desktop application developers onto these BoFs, who should I subscribe? | 09:51 |
| pitti | tkamppeter: did you propose it for the conf already? | 09:52 |
| tkamppeter | pitti, yes, by "Propose for meeting agenda" in the menu on the left. | 09:53 |
| pitti | ok | 09:53 |
| tkamppeter | pitti, https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/applications-printing was not reported by me, but I would change the title, is there a way to do this? | 09:56 |
| pitti | tkamppeter: the title yes, but not the ID (IIRC) | 09:56 |
| tkamppeter | "Edit title and summary" appears only for the blueprints I have reported by myself. Is this a bug in PL? | 09:57 |
| tkamppeter | s/PL/LP/ | 09:58 |
| pitti | ah, that might be a precaution against vandalism | 09:58 |
| tkamppeter | pitti, you are probably root on the server and can vi it to "Common Printing Dialog". | 10:00 |
| pitti | heh, no, I'm not :) | 10:00 |
| tkamppeter | pitti, but you are core-dev | 10:00 |
| pitti | I still can't change it, though | 10:01 |
| pwnguin | is there a calendar of UDS yet? | 10:01 |
| [reed] | is there a channel for UDS? | 10:03 |
| cjwatson | tkamppeter: an extraordinarily small number of people have root on the Launchpad database server, and vi doesn't work well on postgresql databases | 10:13 |
| cjwatson | tkamppeter: I've changed the title for you | 10:13 |
| cjwatson | (members of ubuntu-drivers can do that) | 10:13 |
| tkamppeter | cjwatson, thank you very much. The old title was really franglish. | 10:25 |
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| Mithrandir | cjwatson: would it make sense to make it possible to disable DSA auth completely (sshd)? | 10:59 |
| cjwatson | yes, somebody filed a Debian bug report for that | 10:59 |
| pitti | Riddell, Hobbsee: can you please ask for appropriate automounting debugging procuedures in bug 205081? It works under Gnome, and I don't know the debugging for KDE | 11:30 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 205081 in ntfs-3g "ntfs-3g will mount as root only, breaks mounting as user" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205081 | 11:30 |
| emgent | morning | 11:41 |
| emgent | dholbach: heya, some problem with iproute sync and nis merge? | 11:49 |
| emgent | norsetto: o/ | 12:02 |
| norsetto | emgent: <>/ | 12:09 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: i don't use kde, sorry | 12:37 |
| pitti | argh, where the heck do I find AM_CHECK_PYTHON_HEADERS ? | 12:42 |
| pitti | autoreconf stumbles over this, and it's not at all obvious where to find it | 12:43 |
| pitti | doko: ^ any idea? | 12:43 |
| pitti | (trying to fix the b0rked python-gobject merge) | 12:43 |
| pochu | ah | 12:43 |
| pochu | pitti: I was looking at it | 12:43 |
| pitti | I so much hate, hate, hate, hate autoconf | 12:44 |
| pochu | pitti: I've asked seb and that patch isn't needed anymore, we can change it with the last one from http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=481569 which fixes the bug instead of disabling the feature | 12:44 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 481569 in gtk "Calling gobject.threads_init() causes a lot of wakeups" [Normal,Reopened] | 12:44 |
| pitti | pochu: oh, cool, so we can drop this 61_dont_use_setwakeupfd.patch? | 12:45 |
| pochu | yes | 12:45 |
| pitti | pochu: that would be good, since its purpose is undocumented, no bug#, etc. | 12:45 |
| pitti | rocking | 12:45 |
| pochu | and the autoreconf issues would be http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=471528, http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=471559, and probably others | 12:45 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 471528 in general "m4 macros needed to rebuild configure aren't shipped with 2.13.x" [Minor,Unconfirmed] | 12:45 |
| pitti | ah, thanks | 12:46 |
| pitti | pochu: well, with dropping the patch I don't need to rebuild them any more | 12:46 |
| pochu | exactly :-) | 12:46 |
| pochu | I wonder how Joss got to rebuild it, though... | 12:46 |
| lool | pitti: BTW, I think I discussed it with you and seb128 to include the updated python-gobject patch in hardy-updates | 12:53 |
| lool | pitti: You're still ok with this? | 12:54 |
| pitti | lool: I don't think I was involved in that discussion | 12:54 |
| lool | Ok; well basically that wakeupfd stuff was broken in pygobject and we disabled it before hardy | 12:54 |
| pitti | right, that's the patch I just ripped out for intrepid | 12:55 |
| lool | But it causes wakeups in powertop for python apps such as deskbar applet | 12:55 |
| pitti | python-gobject uploaded now, for the record, it actually builds now; this should unbreak the world FTBFSing | 12:55 |
| lool | But you pulled the updated wakeupfd patch? | 12:55 |
| pochu | cool | 12:55 |
| pochu | hey lool | 12:55 |
| pitti | lool: no, I just dropped it, as pochu said | 12:56 |
| lool | I don't think it was tarball released | 12:56 |
| pitti | lool: we can still apply it in a followup upload if we need | 12:56 |
| pitti | but I'd really like to get this fixed in intrepid soon, it causes a hell of a lot of FTBFS and uninstallability ATM | 12:56 |
| pitti | (that's why I attacked it now in the first place) | 12:57 |
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| lool | Ok, I thought we had a patch for this support but actually it was tarball releasedin the old broken version in 2.14;1 | 12:59 |
| lool | What we want is the final implementation | 12:59 |
| pochu | pitti: could you retry exaile libbeagle anjuta (or add to your to-retry list :) | 12:59 |
| lool | pitti: So you uploaded ubuntu3? | 13:00 |
| pitti | lool: 2.14.1-4+ubu1, yes | 13:00 |
| pitti | (no remaining changes any more | 13:00 |
| pitti | pochu: kicked | 13:00 |
| pochu | thank you | 13:02 |
| mitsuhiko | hi all | 13:02 |
| mitsuhiko | why is ssh-vulnkey not available for dapper? | 13:02 |
| pitti | mitsuhiko: it will eventually | 13:02 |
| mitsuhiko | that's good news | 13:03 |
| pitti | pochu: btw, feel free to upload bug 208097 | 13:08 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 208097 in python-aptsources "FTBFS in Hardy due to python-distutils-extra changes" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208097 | 13:08 |
| pitti | pochu: and maybe poke someone from ~motu-sru to ack it (Hobbsee, TheMuso, etc.) | 13:09 |
| pochu | ok, on it | 13:10 |
| pochu | What do people think about removing reportbug(-ng) from the archive? bug 175508 | 13:11 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 175508 in reportbug-ng "reportbug-ng reports bugs to Debian instead of Ubuntu" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175508 | 13:11 |
| LimCore | hi cjwatson | 13:14 |
| LimCore | cjwatson: can we append a warning to the installer related to openssh, that explains that the SERVERS that accept weak keys are still vulnerable and that users should consider that? | 13:15 |
| LimCore | becuse users dont ralize this usually | 13:15 |
| kagou | do anyone have an idea to which package should I assign Bug #230694 ? | 13:47 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 230694 in ubuntu "DVD mounted and played by wrong user" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/230694 | 13:47 |
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| lool | pitti: Hmm if you remove the patch completely, we get the borken setwakeupfd support again | 14:05 |
| lool | I'm preparing a Debian upload with the updated fix | 14:05 |
| lool | doko: Hmm will we get signal.set_wakeup_fd from 2.5.2-2ubuntu2 in Debian too? | 14:12 |
| pitti | lool: thanks | 14:23 |
| siretart | any reason to not publish openssl-blacklist in dapper-security? | 14:54 |
| lool | Blah, I hang python2.5 when rebuilding pygobject in hardy | 14:55 |
| lool | lalala .........*** glibc detected *** /usr/bin/python2.5: malloc(): memory corruption: 0x0000000000a39480 *** | 14:55 |
| lool | Looks like it could be amd64-ish | 14:55 |
| lool | doko: pygobject was uploaded the 9th of April in hardy and python2.5 the 8th and the 16th; I wonder whether it could be a 2.5.2-2ubuntu4 regression | 14:57 |
| mvirkkil | What time does FOSSCamp start tomorrow? | 14:59 |
| pitti | mvirkkil: 10 am, IIRC | 15:01 |
| Hobbsee | argh. | 15:03 |
| Hobbsee | 18 / 3 != 9 | 15:03 |
| Hobbsee | did someone steal my brain? | 15:04 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: 5.99999993843 last time I checked :) | 15:04 |
| Hobbsee | :P | 15:04 |
| * realist gives back hobbsee-brain.deb | 15:04 | |
| realist | pitti: FPU bug? | 15:06 |
| lool | doko: There's an insane amount of valgrind errors (even when only looking at access after free errors); I guess it's a wrong memory allocation function being used: do you have any tip on chasing such issues? | 15:08 |
| mvirkkil | pitti: Thanks. Couldn't find it anywhere on the FOSSCamp page. | 15:09 |
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| Hobbsee | realist: ah, thanks. | 15:12 |
| juliank | doko: I really need Bug #220241 to be fixed. Running applets is (if it works) slow and the applet at java.com does not even work. (but worked with IcedTea 7 in gutsy) | 15:19 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 220241 in icedtea-gcjwebplugin "Test applet at java.com fails to run" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220241 | 15:19 |
| emgent | heya people | 15:19 |
| juliank | doko: Somehow it works now. But why? | 15:20 |
| candrews | Question about the openssl vulnerability: why does openssl not use /dev/urandom for entropy on Linux? Why does it need anything other than /dev/urandom? | 15:21 |
| pochu | pitti: can you retry them again? when you did it python-gtk2 was still uninstallable due to python-gobject, but I've checked now on a chroot and they are installable with the update | 15:26 |
| pochu | exaile libbeagle anjuta | 15:27 |
| pitti | pochu: right, doing | 15:27 |
| pitti | done | 15:28 |
| pochu | thanks again :) | 15:30 |
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| === mdz changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Regenerate your SSH keys! http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-612-2 | Ubuntu 8.04 LTS released! | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/feisty/gutsy/hardy, #ubuntu+1 for intrepid | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | #ubuntu-devel-summit for U | ||
| === mdz changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Regenerate your SSH keys! http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-612-2 | Ubuntu 8.04 LTS released! | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/feisty/gutsy/hardy, #ubuntu+1 for intrepid | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | ||
| mdz | ETOPICFULL | 15:43 |
| \sh | ./ctcp * sound attention_regen_ssh-keys_now.wav | 15:44 |
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| emgent | :D | 15:48 |
| Hobbsee | fricking oo. | 15:51 |
| Hobbsee | stop crashing! | 15:52 |
| doko | lool: is this needed? | 16:08 |
| lool | doko: Well the valgrind backtraces don't end up in the python modules I'm testing | 16:28 |
| lool | doko: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lool/pygtk-testactionsubclass.log | 16:32 |
| lool | doko: I guess these issues weren't present in the previous python2.5 as pygtk built against it for hardy | 16:33 |
| lool | doko: The tests causing glibc assertions are doing some gc.collect() and the changes you did to python2.5 seem to affect the gc; are these patches safe, could they expose bugs in other moduels? | 16:34 |
| doko | lool: which tests fail, are these tests using ctypes? | 16:37 |
| lool | doko: I'm not sure; there's "ctypes" usage in codegen/defsgen.py, but I don't see any in generated code | 16:38 |
| doko | hmm | 16:39 |
| lool | doko: If you simply rebuild pygtk locally, you should get the bug | 16:39 |
| doko | lool: I already had the wakeup stuff backported, just didn't upload | 16:39 |
| lool | doko: Oh, well I spent time today doing it too; too bad | 16:39 |
| lool | doko: I committed the patches to the Debian tree, but I can't test them under hardy due to this unrelated FTBFS | 16:40 |
| doko | Apr 30 ... | 16:40 |
| lool | ? | 16:40 |
| lool | You mean you had prepared pygobject and pygtk back Apr 30? | 16:41 |
| lool | Or do you mean you told me so at that date? | 16:41 |
| doko | do python2.5 | 16:42 |
| lool | You included it in hardy already | 16:42 |
| lool | I don't understand what you say | 16:43 |
| mrec | hi it seems like that mplayer fires up dbus to open and hold the video nodes open .. this has a terrible sideeffect for hybrid devices which provide multiple nodes. When the analog video node is held open it's impossible to open eg the DVB or radio part of a analog TV/dvb/radio device | 16:43 |
| mrec | the dbus extension seems to be an ubuntu specific patch | 16:44 |
| mrec | (at least for mplayer) | 16:44 |
| doko | <lool> doko: Hmm will we get signal.set_wakeup_fd from 2.5.2-2ubuntu2 in Debian too? | 16:54 |
| doko | this was my answer | 16:54 |
| pecisk | hi people, how firefox translation from Launchpad gets into distribution? It is converted when issuing update for particular translation? | 17:06 |
| mrec | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=652941 | 17:15 |
| mrec | does anyone know more about this? | 17:15 |
| mrec | I don't think it's mplayer mplayer accesses dbus yes but only for the screensaver thing | 17:15 |
| needbeer | http://www.dasdeutschlandspiel.de/index.php?page=beg.php&id=4410 | 17:52 |
| needbeer | http://www.dasdeutschlandspiel.de/index.php?page=beg.php&id=4410 | 17:54 |
| violinappren | hi all, i'm trying build the source package of synergy and i get "/usr/bin/fakeroot: 166: debian/rules: Permission denied" ... more at http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12261/ | 17:55 |
| stdin | violinappren: is debian/rules set executable? | 17:56 |
| liw | violinappren, "chmod +x debian/rules" should fix that; when apt-get unpacks the source code, it shoudl do that, I don't know why it didn't | 17:56 |
| liw | more specifically, dpkg-source should do it | 17:57 |
| liw | maybe the clean rule in debian/rules does something funny | 17:57 |
| violinappren | i did chmod +x on it and then ran "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b" and it still gives the same error .. "ls -al debian/rules" says it's -rwxr-xr-x | 17:58 |
| needbeer | http://www.dasdeutschlandspiel.de/index.php?page=beg.php&id=4410 | 17:59 |
| stdin | needbeer: stop spamming | 18:00 |
| liw | violinappren, I can't reproduce the problem on hardy | 18:01 |
| needbeer | i already got 7 klines today on several networks, only a shotgun could stop me spamming :D | 18:01 |
| stdin | needbeer: ask an you shell receive | 18:01 |
| liw | violinappren, I can't reproduce the problem on hardy | 18:02 |
| liw | violinappren, do you have all build dependencies installed? "apt-get build-dep synergy" takes care of that | 18:04 |
| violinappren_ | umm, i tried again in my home directory (rather than my "playground" partition) and it works (!) | 18:05 |
| stdin | violinappren_: same filesystem type? | 18:06 |
| violinappren_ | yes i used ext3 allover the place | 18:06 |
| stdin | check the mount options, there is a noexec flag that cam be set iirc | 18:06 |
| violinappren_ | mount says "/dev/sda3 on /media/sda3 type ext3 (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)" | 18:07 |
| liw | a-ha! | 18:07 |
| stdin | there you go then "noexec" will stop things from being executed even if set +x | 18:07 |
| violinappren_ | aaaah | 18:08 |
| Ng | noexec is overrated | 18:08 |
| violinappren_ | it must be a default in hardy since i never manaually set it! | 18:08 |
| stdin | check in your /etc/fstab | 18:08 |
| liw | it is set for automatically mounted volumes (ref. /media) | 18:08 |
| liw | by gnome-mount, that is | 18:09 |
| violinappren_ | fstab has "/dev/sda3 /media/sda3 auto nouser,atime,auto,rw,nodev,noexec,nosuid 0 0" | 18:09 |
| violinappren_ | (i added the mount points during a clean kubuntu hardy install) | 18:09 |
| stdin | unmount, take out the "noexec," and mount | 18:10 |
| liw | or don't build packages on that filesystem, of course -- the noexec might be there for a reason | 18:10 |
| lool | doko: Ok; are you interested in looking in the python2.5 memory corruption issue? | 18:10 |
| liw | (i.e., first figure out the reason) | 18:10 |
| doko | lool: please recheck with the recent python2.5 upload first, I'm travelling tomorrow, and I'm offline now | 18:11 |
| violinappren_ | well it's a personal machine, not a work one, so no "policies" with noexec | 18:11 |
| lool | doko: the intrepid one? | 18:11 |
| lool | Or the hardy one? | 18:11 |
| doko | lool: intrepid, hardy should be ok for ctypes | 18:12 |
| doko | lool: you do use hardy-proposed, do you? | 18:12 |
| lool | doko: No, I don't; I've seen an upload from you in proposed, but it seemed unrelated | 18:12 |
| lool | doko: I'm pulling python2.5{,-dev,-minimal} from proposed | 18:14 |
| violinappren_ | anyway, thanks guys/gals for your help | 18:14 |
| lool | doko: Same bug | 18:14 |
| lool | *** glibc detected *** python: free(): invalid next size (fast): 0x0000000000b297b0 *** | 18:15 |
| lool | I'm debootstrapping intrepid, but I don't have much hope | 18:17 |
| lool | doko: Under intrepid, same thing http://paste.ubuntu.com/12270/ | 18:26 |
| lool | Well hardy's kernel | 18:26 |
| norsetto | looks like debian new is chocked | 18:27 |
| lool | norsetto: ? | 18:27 |
| norsetto | lool: is it normal for so many packages to be sitting there for weeks? | 18:28 |
| lool | Yes | 18:28 |
| lool | norsetto: these are old graphes, but it's still being processed in batch http://heracles.corsac.net/~corsac/debian/new/ | 18:30 |
| norsetto | lool: amazing | 18:31 |
| macd | cjwatson, ping | 18:57 |
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| emgent | norsetto: o/ | 19:43 |
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| fbond | Hi, there seems to be some confusion regarding xorg.conf in 8.04. Is it possible to force X.org to use a particular display driver, even if auto-detection suggests otherwise? What is the best way to do this? | 20:04 |
| slangasek | fbond: all the previously supported xorg.conf options can still be used, to their usual effect; we just don't use them by default because autodetection now gives correct results in the vast majority of cases | 20:10 |
| fbond | slangasek: Am I incorrect, then, in thinking that I ought to be able to add a `Driver ...' line to the "Device" section and have that force the display driver? | 20:13 |
| tjaalton | fbond: correct | 20:13 |
| fbond | Of course you know that I'm asking because it's not working for me. | 20:14 |
| fbond | The log file indicates that the vesa driver is being used. | 20:14 |
| fbond | If the requested driver does not load, will the vesa driver be used instead? | 20:14 |
| tjaalton | if the xserver fails to start, yes | 20:14 |
| fbond | Hm. It seems to do this silently; no warnings or anything. Makes debugging a bit confusing if you come from the Old Way where the server doesn't start at all when the driver didn't pan out. | 20:15 |
| tjaalton | there's a bug about that | 20:15 |
| fbond | Oh, is there? I couldn't find anything, and wasn't sure if I just didn't understand X.org anymore. | 20:16 |
| fbond | tjaalton: Do you have a bug #? | 20:16 |
| tjaalton | bug 148122 seems to be the one | 20:17 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 148122 in xorg "bulletproof-x hiding real problems" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/148122 | 20:17 |
| tjaalton | boarding time, finally -> | 20:17 |
| fbond | tjaalton: No, this is a different situation. I'm not getting the graphical configuration utility at all. X starts normally, just with the wrong driver. | 20:18 |
| tseliot | fbond: that's because no driver is specified in the Device section of your xorg.conf | 20:26 |
| tseliot | fbond: maybe Xorg's automatic detection didn't work as it should | 20:27 |
| fbond | tseliot: I *did* specify a driver. That's why I'm bothered. | 20:30 |
| tseliot | fbond: can I see your xorg.conf and your /var/log/Xorg.0.log (use pastebin, please)? | 20:31 |
| fbond | tseliot: one sec. | 20:31 |
| tseliot | fbond: oh and I would be glad if you could post the output of this command too sudo updatedb && locate xorg.conf | 20:34 |
| fbond | tseliot: I think I see what's going on that is confusing me. | 20:47 |
| fbond | The machine in question was already being tested by someone else. | 20:47 |
| fbond | When I got to it, he had already seen the "low-graphics mode" dialog. | 20:47 |
| fbond | I edited the xorg.conf and then restarted the X server by pressing Ctl-Alt-Bkspc | 20:48 |
| fbond | However, it seems that restarting the bulletproof X server via C-A-B does not cause the configuration to be re-read. I'm beginning to understand that the bulletproof X server is a separate server with a separate configuration. | 20:48 |
| fbond | Thus, it appeared that my configuration wasn't being read. | 20:49 |
| fbond | Does this sound right? | 20:49 |
| fbond | Now, I was eventually able to get to a log file with the openchrome output, and found the problem there. I had to restart gdm to trigger the configuration to be re-read. | 20:50 |
| tseliot | fbond: yes, that's what I was going to suggest | 20:50 |
| fbond | I wonder if some more documentation might be helpful to advanced users trying to fiddle with things. | 20:50 |
| tseliot | fbond: bryce knows more about this | 20:51 |
| tseliot | and you can have a look at this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X | 20:52 |
| tseliot | I've got to go now. Bye | 20:53 |
| fbond | tseliot: thanks | 20:53 |
| dmb | is this openssl bug going to require the creating of Ubuntu 8.04.1 lts? | 21:12 |
| liw | 8.04.1 was going to be created anyway | 21:14 |
| geser | pitti: Hi, I've seen that apache2 got uploaded to hardy-proposed. As apache2-mpm-itk has a very strict dependency on apache2.2-common it needs a rebuild for every apache2 upload. Does this somehow influence the SRU of apache2? | 21:29 |
| * slangasek shakes his fist at itk | 21:33 | |
| slangasek | geser: would be great if someone could prepare an itk upload then; I'll be happy to push it through alongside apache2 | 21:33 |
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| geser | slangasek: would this weekend be early enough? | 21:35 |
| slangasek | geser: I imagine so | 21:35 |
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| emgent | heya | 22:01 |
| emgent | heya sabdfl :) | 22:10 |
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| sabdfl | howdy all | 22:23 |
| ion_ | Hi | 22:24 |
| Kaleo | hi sabdfl | 22:24 |
| Nafallo | hey :-) | 22:32 |
| emgent | Nafallo: :) | 22:32 |
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| johanbr | Hmm. The UDS wiki page still says "More details about remote participation will be announced closer to the time. ". | 23:09 |
| stgraber | johanbr: they have till Monday :) | 23:11 |
| xivulon | slangasek, would you mind clarify the first bullet in #226622? I am not too knowledgeable on versioning conventions | 23:35 |
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