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asaclool: there?00:02
asaci will upload language-pack-gnome-zh_8.04+20080415ubuntu1.804ume_source.changes to mobile ppa ... which includes the midbrowser translations for zh for now00:02
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dholbachgood morning07:27
kennyyuhi there, just wish to know if there is any proposed plan for adapting mobile-firefox on a really small-screen device e.g. a screen of 320-pixel width?08:29
z1okennyyu: I think ubuntu mobile is using a firefox derivative08:40
z1okennyyu: but I didnt have that close a look at it08:41
kennyyuz1o: nvm :)08:52
z1okennyyu: got it figured out?08:54
kennyyuz1o: not yet... well, wait i'm rebooting my PC08:55
z1oo/08:56
loolasac: Build is out since two days; next delivery Friday10:11
loolhopefully10:11
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davmor2Right I'm beginning a test on todays image.  Yes I'm still using xephyr in mic but I know a lot of the differences to look out for now :)11:45
davmor2are there any bugs that should be fixed now that you want to keep an eye out for?11:46
loolEPARSE12:09
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loolpersia: Around?13:03
loolpersia: If you are, we have the week phone call13:03
persiaOK.  I thought it was cancelled this week.13:03
loolpersia: Nah, it's run by me, which is worse13:03
loolpersia: thanks13:23
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davmor2Has anyone had any joy getting gnash to work on UME?14:16
LaibschHi14:48
LaibschHow do ubuntu mobile and handhelds mojo compare?14:48
LaibschNot trying to compare state-of-affairs, but more the perspective and potential14:49
suihkulokkiLaibsch: mojo is regular ubuntu for arm cpu's, ubuntu mobile is special ubuntu flavour for intel cpu's14:49
LaibschSecond question, the FAQ claims that Zaurus are not supported because of the need for proprietary binaries.  I just added a note that this is not true.14:49
Laibschsuihkulokki: My impression was that you also try to adapt better the UI experience14:50
LaibschAm I mistaken?14:50
suihkulokkiLaibsch: that's what the "special flavour" basicly means14:50
LaibschYes, but you say for intel14:51
Laibschmojo targets arm14:51
LaibschQuestion is if they also will likely have that special flavour14:51
suihkulokkithere is no UME for arm (afaik) (atleast yet)14:51
Laibschsuihkulokki: Sorry, I did not read carefully enough14:51
LaibschOK14:52
suihkulokkiwho knows, why wait, just do it :)14:52
LaibschZaurus is arm14:52
Laibschsuihkulokki: I'd love to14:52
LaibschBut I don't have an intel-based handheld14:52
LaibschAnd I don't want to buy one14:52
LaibschI'd be interested if the Zaurus can be supported though14:52
LaibschI have some background from openembedded.org, but I am not a regular developper by profession14:53
suihkulokkiit should not be hard to adapt Ubuntu Mobile UI etc changes to handhelds mojo (or debian/armel)14:53
Laibschthat is the route you suggest as more promising?14:53
LaibschAre those UI changes in available in normal ubuntu as well?  Have you pushed that back?14:54
suihkulokkidisclaimer, I'm only lurking here, I'm actually working on debian/armel14:54
LaibschAre you plannign to14:54
Laibsch?14:55
suihkulokkiLaibsch: afaik (again I'm not authority here..) most changes go back to normal ubuntu (under lpia arch), but ubuntu and ubuntu mobile timetables are different14:55
Laibschsuihkulokki: Is UME cross-compiled or natively?15:00
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dijeneratehi all16:15
dijenerateanyone awake in here?16:15
agoliveiradijenerate: Yes, it's a bit past noon for me :)16:16
dijenerateok, finally a living soul :)16:16
dijeneratehave you used the UME build on anything other than the Samsung or another official test unit?16:17
GrueMasterI'm just working on waking up.16:17
dijenerateI'm trying to setup a Vaio UX with UME16:17
dijenerateI'm using last monday's build for the Samsung Q1U but ran into some problems16:18
dijenerateI only just realize how stripped the kernel is for UME16:18
dijeneratenot even the usbserial module is present16:19
dijenerateanyone here have a clue what I'm talking about?16:20
GrueMasterThat's odd.  I can understand stripping unnecessary things like scsi raid, but usb devices should be supported.16:20
GrueMasterI haven't tested the latest Q1 images, though.  My main focus is on the melow platform integration.16:21
dijeneratewell usb mass storage is and most common periphs are 16:21
dijeneratebut there is no usbserial which the vaio needs for its WWAN to work in linux16:21
dijenerateI also could not find the evtouch driver that's needed for the touchscreen to work16:22
davmor2agoliveira: Under multimedia do you have gnash swf viewer?  If so does it work?16:22
GrueMasterThe evtouch should be there, but it may only be available to the menlow platform.16:22
dijenerateconsidering this is supposed to be a 'touch' friendly version of ubuntu, I find that ironic16:23
GrueMasteryou might for grins try a menlow image, but you will need to change teh graphics driver in xorg.conf.16:23
agoliveiradavmor2: No, I don't. I suppose it's another of those weird Xephyr icons?16:23
dijenerateand I think I was doing something wrong with the udev config16:23
GrueMasterCurrently, this image is under development, and focused on two specific pieces of hardware.  Future revisions may widen the scope of the project, but you need to start somewhere.16:24
davmor2agoliveira: That might explain why it isn't working properly too then :)16:25
dijeneratewas trying to map the touchscreen and WWAN to specific IDs and lost pointer support after startup16:25
agoliveiradavmor2: I would say it's a fair assumption ;)16:25
dijenerateso what is the eta for the first stable release of UME?16:25
GrueMasterNot sure, but it should be soon.  The products that it is designed for are launching soon.16:25
dijeneratebecause it seems like there is really a lot still to be done considering it was just supposed to be an optimized  branch off standard ubuntu desktop16:26
dijenerate...and are all atom based I take it16:26
dijenerateatom is so much crud16:26
GrueMasterRight now, my understanding is that it is a base image for OEMs to work from.16:27
dijenerateI just saw the fujitsu announce an atom based follow up to the U81016:27
GrueMasterYes, atom is the target currently.16:27
dijeneratebasically, it's an upgrade from a system powered by a remote control's CPU to one powered by a calculator's CPU16:28
GrueMasterActually, you'd be surprised at the atom's capabilities.16:28
dijenerateI truely would like to be16:28
dijenerateI'm coming from the world of Core Solo on the Vaio UX, anything I replace it with has to outperform it16:29
dijeneratecan Atom do that?16:29
GrueMasterIt's hard to visualize by looking at the specs, but it really is something to see.  Wish I could give more detail.16:29
dijeneraterough comparison, how does a full atom system under linux compare to a Vaio UX or Q1 Utra Premium?16:30
GrueMasterI think the core solo is probably going to give you more performance, but then the package size is radically different.  So is the power usage.16:30
dijenerateeven though processors are faster and more powerful, we don't often use their full potential on mobile devices, so my question should really be, will I notice the difference?16:31
GrueMasterI only have the Q1, and I can say atom performs quite well side by side.  Of course, my atom test units are 1/2 to 1/3 the size and weight.16:31
dijeneratebetween say the Sharp D4 or Fujitsu U2010 and the Q1UP or Vaio UX16:31
dijenerateok16:31
dijeneratebut how is battery life because A110 did not live up to promise16:32
dijenerateis this Q1 as in the Pentium M no-keyboard system or A110 (stealey) Q1Utra?16:33
GrueMasterNot sure.  I don't have the means to test that.  I've been told (and some videos on youtube confirm) that it is ~4 hours.16:33
GrueMasterI have both Q1 versions.  The original Ultra, and the "Vista" models.16:34
GrueMasterI think they both have the same core, just more memory, keyboard, hdd, etc for the Vista model.16:34
dijenerateso the Atom performs on par with the A110 at 800MHz?16:34
dijeneratethat's bad... that's really bad, because the A110 in my experience is weak16:35
GrueMasteryes, but in a far smaller package.16:35
dijenerateyeah, but a bigger calculator vs a smaller calculator is still a calculator trying to decode divx video16:35
dijeneratelol16:35
GrueMasterIt really depends on what you are doing.  If you are running RC5 or Seti, then you probably won't like it.16:35
GrueMasterVideo wise it is much better.  There is hardware decoding.16:36
dijenerateusually I have my machine on all day, doing everything I use without shutting down... the Vaio is poor on battery life so that annoys me hence I'm looking for a replacement16:36
GrueMasterI looked at the vaio.  It's hugh compared with the units I have.  16:37
dijeneratein ubuntu, I have compiz fusion running, thunderbird open, Xchat, amsn, pidgin, kbasket, firefox, opera, skype, gammu, system monitors and 9 desktops on gnome16:38
GrueMasterThat's more of a desktop usage model vs what these are designed for.16:38
dijeneratethe vaio performs adequately with this just has bad battery life and a tad small screen for its rez16:38
dijenerateI know, but that's what I really want, my desktop in my pocket16:38
dijeneratewith me all day16:39
GrueMasterI don't have any insights on what systems will look like with Atom, but I know some of them are for a market looking for a smaller platform.16:39
dijenerateif I wanted smartphone power, I'd buy a nokia internet tablet and run frisky16:39
dijenerateI'm all for smaller and longer battery but not at the cost of performance16:39
dijenerateso that's where my issue with them comes from16:40
GrueMasterLike I said, there is a wide market for this product.  I only see the smallest units.16:40
dijenerateit's pointless to me to build a machine that is barely faster than a 'arm' based system like the Zaurus or nokia Internet tablet but still needs the ventilation of a regular x8616:41
dijenerateand therefore can't be kept on in a pocket16:41
GrueMasterI have heard that some OEMs will have units similar in size to yours running at full throttle.  The smaller units run slower due to heat and smaller battery size.16:41
dijeneratemy view may be a bit different from the mass market view of course16:41
GrueMasterheh.  Everyone has a different view that marketing.16:42
GrueMasters/that/than16:42
dijenerateyeah, but 1.8GHz atom benched next to a 1.8GHz celeron still got creamed16:42
GrueMasterAgain, what was the usage model?16:42
dijenerateportable device, subnotebook16:42
dijenerateclass16:42
GrueMasterI mean application usage?16:43
dijeneratenetbook class so design for mobile web in a ulcpc16:43
GrueMasterIf you are looking to run Doom3, your sol.  If you want to view office documents or browse the web, you're good.16:43
dijenerateI get that, but apart from the size issues which don't even count if you consider that a celeron can also be made at a smaller process, what's the point of new processor that is slower than one they made 5 years ago16:44
dijenerateseems like regression to me and if it's just for office docs and web, why not use a TI OMAP or Xscale again like the Nokia tablets or the sharp zaurus16:45
GrueMasterAgain, by what benchmark?  I haven't actually seen any reviews or comparisons.16:45
dijenerateagain regression16:45
GrueMasternot necessarily.  XScale or OMAP can't run x86 applications.16:46
GrueMasterTry loading Vista on a Nokia 800 series.16:46
GrueMasterOr flash for that matter.16:46
dijeneratethese are 1.6GHz CPUs compared http://www.umpcportal.com/postimages/AtomCPUperformancefigures_EB03/atomperf.jpg16:46
loolWell there's flash, no?16:46
dijeneratebut why will I need vista if I can run my web and office apps on a faster to respond more stable OS16:47
dijeneratedoes the OS matter as much as it's ability to run the apps you need16:48
dijeneratethe point of Vista is to make MS money, the point of the OS for the consumer today is to run the apps16:48
suihkulokkiI doubt running vista is a argument that will shift attitudes positively in the audience of this channel =)16:48
GrueMasterTrue.  One thing your image doesn't show is power consumption or heat dissipation. 16:49
dijenerateif the apps run on linux on less and for less, then what's the point of vista and by extension the point of atom?16:49
GrueMasterLet me ask this.  What is the cpu load playing mpeg2/mpeg4/vc1 video on the different systems?16:50
dijeneratewell the Via is a low power consumer and unless intel has drastically changed it's core design they are still consuming more power than everyone else as they have always been16:50
looldijenerate: The power consumptions of Intel CPUs are supposed to decrease further in the future; the platforms are also bigger irons than the ARM platforms right now16:50
loolBut apart of that I agree that ARM is a good option :)16:51
dijeneratededicated registers for popular media will always lower cpu load values, oldest CPU design trick in the book16:51
dijeneratehowever, what's the load when editing a 12 workbook excel document the office just emailed to you on your trip?16:52
GrueMasterAbout 40%16:52
GrueMasterTried and tested16:52
GrueMasterWell, using OpenOffice.  16:52
dijeneratereal world performance is what will tell it apart vs lab test and synthetic benching16:53
GrueMasterBack to your earlier question of "why would someone want this", I have to point to a quote from the quake-aa developers (who made an ascii art video driver for Quake):  "If you have to ask, it isn't for you".16:55
dijenerateit boils down to this, if a poulsbo/silverthorne 1.6GHz machine that is all that much smaller (and still only 1/3 smaller than a UX) can do what the UX does at 1.2GHz overall real-world performance, as in I'm not annoyed by the lag on my everyday tasks, then I'll sing Atom's praises, but until then, I think I'll wait until the dual core (code named: molecule)16:55
GrueMasterBut can you put your Vaio in your shirt pocket?16:56
dijenerateyeah I can16:56
dijeneratebut will I want to when it has a belt case? lol16:56
suihkulokki..if you don't want to look like a dork16:56
dijeneratewhat the atom may be able to do over the vaio if it lives up to promise is give me more than 1:20hr battery life in ubuntu16:57
dijeneratesuihkulokki: touche... lol16:57
GrueMasterHey, looking like a dork is every pastafarian's FSM given right.16:58
dijeneratebut it still isn't acceptable (for me) if it is unable to do what the vaio currently does with ease16:58
HappyCamplool, is the SSH thing a big concern for the ubuntu-mobile/moblin stuff?16:58
loolIRC meeting in one minute16:59
loolHappyCamp: I don't understand your question16:59
GrueMasterHappyCamp:  Sort of.  I use it for debugging and live monitoring.16:59
HappyCampThe SSH key issue with debian derived systems.16:59
loolHappyCamp: It's a concern for any usage of the openssl random generator over the last 19 months16:59
loolHappyCamp: But it's fixed in hardy and daily UME builds if that's your question16:59
lool#startmeeting17:00
HappyCampI was more wondering for our use case in particular.  Do we want to try to notify people or the notification out there is enough.17:00
loolWelcome all17:00
HappyCampk17:00
loolHappyCamp: Feel free to add the SSH questions in today's agenda17:00
loolLet me start by reviewing action items from last week17:00
lool[topic] Don Johnson to email agoliveira a list with Intel's atendees for UDS.17:01
dijenerateI chose the larger Q1UP over the U810 for performance and battery life issues17:01
loolHmm no mootbot17:01
Don_JohnsonI sent the list to agoliveria17:01
looldijenerate: We're in a meeting; please defer your discussion to after the meeting; thanks!17:01
dijeneratesorry.. np17:01
loolDon_Johnson: Hmm was this recently?17:01
loolDon_Johnson: He told me an hour ago that he didn't receive it17:01
StevenKlool: I'm here, but still wrangling e-mail17:01
Don_JohnsonI thougth I sent it last week right after the meeting.17:02
Don_JohnsonLet me check, maybe I sent it to David and got the cc wrong.17:02
Don_JohnsonOK, I'll recreate the emaila and send it out.17:03
loolDon_Johnson: Perhaps it's easiest if you just copy-paste it right now? :)17:03
Don_JohnsonAs soon as I find it again. I'll do past it in.17:04
loolDon_Johnson: So who are the lucky fellows who get to get to visit Prague and sit in some 8 hours flights? ;)17:04
loolDon_Johnson: Ok; let's defer to the end of the meeting17:04
lool[topic] UME Logo draft17:04
loolI received the first drafts for the UME logo http://people.ubuntu.com/~lool/ume-logo.pdf17:05
lool[link] http://people.ubuntu.com/~lool/ume-logo.pdf17:05
loolI'd be pleased if you could send me suggestions for these logos17:05
loolDesign comments, ideas, suggestions, everything is welcome17:05
loolI'm also interested in votes on these logos, tell me which you absolutely hate, and which you love17:06
loolPlease send me an email to one of my email addresses17:06
loolWhen we get some consensus and pick a logo, we'll work on the colors, fonts, etc.17:06
StevenKlool: And yet, with no MootBot, you still do the [] :-)17:06
loolStevenK: Yeah, it helps in the log ;)17:07
loolOk; if nobody has any question on the logos I'll move on17:07
GrueMasterColors are kind of bland.17:07
loolGrueMaster: This can be easily fixed; the high level design / concept should be ironed out first, then the colors can be debated ad nauseam17:08
GrueMasterk17:08
lool[topic] Impact fo SSH/SSL vulnerability on UME17:08
loolHappyCamp: Could you restate your question?17:08
loolHappyCamp: My understanding is that your question was "how does the SSL/SSH vulnerability affect UME?", correct?17:08
loolSo the vulnerability has been plugged in all released and development Ubuntu repositories: intrepid, hardy, gutsy, feisty17:09
loolThe issue was that the random number generator wasn't random (enough)17:09
loolThis means that any SSH session with DSA keys started from a vulnerable host during the last 18 months would expose this DSA key, and that any key (whatever type) generated in the last 18 months from a vulnerable system should be considered vulnerable17:10
GrueMasteryou should see how many hits my home system has taken in the last couple of days trying to exploit this.17:10
loolYou're encouraged to change all your SSH keys to RSA if you generated or used it on a recent Ubuntu system17:10
loolI personally updated my SSH key from DSA to RSA and uploaded the new one to Launchpad, Ubuntu systems and moblin.org for example17:11
loolAlso, new packages to allow detection and automatic or manual blacklisting of the compromised keys have been crafted17:11
loolThe new packages are openssh-, openssl-, etc. -blacklist17:12
loolAny question on this topic?17:12
loolConcerning UME, we're not released yet but a simple upgrade or a full reinstallation will get you a non-vulnerable system17:13
bspencerif I don't change my keys, what is the risk?17:13
bspencerwhat is "vulnerable" as you described above?17:13
ToddBrandtbspencer: someone could log in as you17:13
bspencerand fix my bugs?17:14
loolbspencer: if your key was recently created (less than 18 months ago), it's easily guessable by brute force; some people could try logging in on systems where you authorized this key with all possible keus17:14
ToddBrandtand fix your bugs yes17:14
bspencerok.17:14
loolYour key is also vulnerable id it's DSA, older than 18 months, but was in use on vulnerable client systems17:14
lools/id/if17:14
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bspencerwho created the mobuntu logos?17:15
loolBasically, using a DSA private key on a system where the random generator is unsafe will expose your key17:15
loolbspencer: "brilliant"17:15
loolbspencer: A company working for Canonical17:15
bspencerk17:15
loolKatie Moody worked on them to be precise17:15
bspencerI should send feedback via email or now?17:16
loolVia email is preferred17:16
bspencerk17:16
loolI should have setup a polling site, but I didn't17:16
loolBut I still want to compile the impressions together as it allows a general overview of the plusses and minuses of each logo17:16
loolOk; I'm personally done talking about the SSL/SSH vulnerability, but I'm happy to give further clarifications17:17
loolAny other topic to bring up?17:17
loolDon_Johnson: That brings us back to you17:17
GrueMasterNext beta/rc release schedule?17:17
Don_JohnsonOK here is the list: Yong Y Wang : Server and Desktop roadmap17:18
Don_JohnsonJohn Cherry : MID planning17:18
Don_JohnsonMarcel Holtmann : OTC17:18
Don_JohnsonAdam Le17:18
loolGrueMaster: Last beta was a couple of days ago; should have been a RC, but too many critical bugs; next RC is currently scheduled for Friday /I think/; but that's a tentative date, I don't know whether StevenK is in good conditions to work on the build this week17:18
loolDon_Johnson: You might want paste.ubuntu.com if your list is long17:18
Don_JohnsonUnfortunately it is not long.17:19
StevenKI have spent 32 hours travelling, and I lost my bags. Not today.17:19
GrueMasterReason I asked is that I really didn't see any core changes.  Namely video drivers and helix support.17:19
loolSo these four persons?17:19
GrueMasterstevenk:  sorry to hear that.17:19
Don_Johnsonyes, those four, are it.17:19
loolStevenK: We're Thursday though :)17:19
loolGrueMaster: Video drivers have been updated yesterday night and are being tested17:20
StevenKGrueMaster: I don't think either of them released a new version in between beta4 and beta5?17:20
StevenKIf they did, no one told me.17:20
loolStevenK: The kernel graphics drivers did change, amitk merged them yesterday night17:20
GrueMasterNo, but beta 5 didn't have the latest video drivers, which have been available for over a week.17:20
loolStevenK: They are being tested by pmcgowan and amitk17:20
GrueMasterThat's why I asked.17:20
StevenKThe video drivers certainly didn't change from beta9 in the PPA when I rolled beta517:20
GrueMasterShould be build 2.0.0.32L.001417:21
StevenKGrueMaster: Could I get e-mailed when they get updated?17:21
loolStevenK: I think it's the release version (PV), so you shouldn't get many updates anymore :)17:21
GrueMasterI'm not sure who posts them on arms, but I can see.17:21
StevenKRight.17:22
StevenKI'll hit up David when he arrives.17:22
loolStevenK: i forwarded you davidm's email on this release17:22
Don_JohnsonGenerally I notify David and PatM when something is posted to ARMS. 17:22
loolStevenK: Ask davidm to notify you when he gets Don_Johnson's notification17:23
loolDon_Johnson: And as a safety, I'm happy if you tell me17:23
Don_JohnsonOK, I'll expend the list17:23
StevenKlool: I am working through the 600 e-mail I got while flying here17:23
loolDon_Johnson: In fact, you could directly mail all of us by mailing either the public list or the Canonical private list mobile@lists.canonical.com17:23
StevenKWork e-mail, of which there is 120, is next17:23
GrueMasterOn that note, Don and I would both be happy if someone tells us when there is a release.17:23
loolDon_Johnson: (you might get an email that your post is moderated)17:23
GrueMaster:)17:23
StevenKHm. I thought David did that.17:24
GrueMasterI haven't seen anything (unless he's selling viagra).17:24
Don_JohnsonGenerally David does notify us.  But the Beta5 slipped by, 17:24
StevenKI'm suspecting due to UDS looming17:25
Don_JohnsonDavid did tell me on the phone that there would be a Beta5, but not when it was posted.  I agree due to UDS prep.17:25
StevenKDon_Johnson: Happy yo bring it up with him when I see him, if you wish.17:27
StevenKs/yo/to/17:27
StevenK(I hate .cz -> .au lag)17:27
Don_JohnsonNot a problem. I happended to check about an hour after it was posted. So no harm.17:28
StevenKExcellent sense of timing there, Don_Johnson :-)17:28
StevenK"I sense a disturbance in the Force ... Ahh yes, Beta5 is out." :-P17:29
Don_JohnsonARMS notification: currently Steve Magoun, David Mandala, Pat M, and Loic have ARMS accounts and should recieve notices.  Although it is hard to figure out which ones to care about.17:29
GrueMasterHe has one of those lark thingys.17:29
loolDon_Johnson: I didn't receive a notice, but I didn't subscribe to any either17:29
Don_JohnsonShould I add StevenK to list of people with ARMS accounts?17:29
loolDon_Johnson: I guess I have to subscribe17:29
StevenKDon_Johnson: I'd rather not have an ARMS account, and I can't update the 3D drivers until the 2D ones are anyway17:30
Don_JohnsonStill hard to figure out which ARMS notices to care about. I'll send out UME specific notices and include you and StevenK.17:30
GrueMasterIt shoudl be posted as one big package.17:30
StevenKGrueMaster: Sure, but we don't use the 2D drivers as included in that package.17:31
Don_Johnsonstevenk: Ok I'll leave ARMS accounts as they are now.17:32
GrueMasterThe package should have the 2D source.  It should be able to drop into the current build environment.17:32
loolOk, we're discussing many things at the same time here17:32
loolDon_Johnson: I thought you were sending the notifications to email addresses; if you can't do that, I think we should tell davidm to make sure our internal mailing list or list of people gets the notification when he does17:33
StevenKGrueMaster: I just play with 3D. Other people work on 2D.17:33
GrueMasterk17:33
Don_Johnsonlool, I will start maintaining a list of people at Canonical to pass notices along to.17:34
loolDon_Johnson: That's nice of you; the public or Canonical mailing-lists are IMO good choices17:34
loolIt will simplify both your and our maintenance of this list I guess17:35
loolOk; any other business for today?17:35
Don_JohnsonOK, I'll look at using them17:35
loolClosing the meeting then17:35
loolI wish attendees a safe trip to UDS17:36
lool#endmeeting17:36
* GrueMaster wishes he could attend.17:36
StevenKGrueMaster: The person you should have begged just left? :-D17:38
GrueMasterI know where he sits.  :D17:38
StevenKHaha17:38
GrueMasterBut it isn't up to him.  We both report to the same manager.  Problem is, I'm a contract employee, and Intel won't fund any travel for us contractor types.17:39
GrueMasterLet alone pay our wages.17:39
StevenKAhh17:39
GrueMasterSucks.17:39
GrueMasterAll the work of a full time employee, with none of the benefits (or politics).17:40
GrueMasterBut the pay is good.17:40
GrueMasterStevenK:  is there any issues with the 3D packaging I should look into?17:41
StevenKGrueMaster: At this point, I don't think so. 17:51
GrueMasterk17:51
pmcgowanStevenK, is Bryce working on packaging the graphics pieces do you know?17:56
StevenKpmcgowan: I've been travelling for most of the last two days, so I'm fairly out of the loop.17:58
pmcgowanStevenK, ok, I will ping him directly17:58
HappyCampGrueMaster, so are you sure that the people were trying exploit the SSH key issue on your system?18:08
HappyCampJust curious on when people started trying to exploit the issue18:08
HappyCampI have always seen lots of failures of login attempts via SSH in the past.18:09
GrueMastersorry, had to step out for a bit.18:15
GrueMasterHappyCamp:  Yes, I'm pretty sure.  I have logs showing 100's of ssh failure attempts from the same IP addresses.  Each originating IP address has at least 60 hits, usually in a 2 minute span.18:17
HappyCampGrueMaster, I wonder how you tell if it is a key attempt versus a password attempt18:18
HappyCampI get lots of ssh attempts in the past.18:18
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dijeneratehi all I'm back18:47
dijenerateis the meeting still going on?18:47
dijenerateok, I'm guessing not18:48
loolGrueMaster: Around?18:59
loolGrueMaster: The graphics drivers don't seem to have changed between the last two releases19:00
GrueMastersorry, I stepped away for a second.19:01
GrueMasterlool:  if you are referring to the ume beta releases, then you are correct.19:02
loolGrueMaster: I mean between teh ARM files19:02
GrueMasterI personally don't have access to arms, but there should be a 2.0.0.32L.0014 release up there.19:03
GrueMasterIf you don't see it let me know and I'll ping someone.19:05
loolGrueMaster: I clarified; the problem is that we were comparing the lat two 0014 releases, but not the 0010 and the 0014 releases19:35
GrueMasterAh.19:35
GrueMasterWell, 0014 needs to find it's way into the build.  Is there anything I can do to fix the packages to make this happen?  I've already tested 0014 on Beta4, and with the latest helix, it looks great.19:36
GrueMasterIt seems to fix other issues as well (S3/S4).19:37
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loolGrueMaster: Do you know why the xf86-video-psb master wasn't updated since March?20:16
loolGrueMaster: I think only the GASTON branch was updated20:18
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loolGrueMaster: Is libva required for the graphics drivers beta 09?  Or only for helix stuff?20:23
loolGrueMaster: Going afk now, but interested in your comments20:44
loolpersia: Could you look at seeding update-manager?  The seed is at ~ubuntu-mobile/ubuntu-seeds/mobile.hardy; the meta package in the ppa should be pulling from there20:47
loolpersia: This should pull u-m in the dailies20:47
loolpersia: TIA! :)20:47
loolpersia: bug #230821 BTW20:47
GrueMasterlool:  sorry, I was at lunch.21:48
GrueMasterlool:  AFAIK, there wasn't any changes to the xf86-video-psb source.  I believe most of the recent changes were for video playback (psb-kmd, libva, psb-video), but I could be wrong.  Libva is required for the helix cip codecs, and the latest cip codecs are compiled against 0014 bundle.21:51
GrueMasterMy understanding of how the modules inter-operate is that for basic video, you need only the open source 2D modules.  For 3D and video hardware playback, you need the closed source binary packages and firmware.21:53
ToddBrandttonyespy: you on?22:08
tonyespyToddBrandt: yes22:11
ToddBrandttonyespy: I have a potential fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/moblin-applets/+bug/22546522:12
ToddBrandtshould I email you the .deb?22:12
ToddBrandtit's like 1MB I think22:12
tonyespy sure...22:12
ToddBrandtI'm rebuilding the .deb, one moment22:18
ToddBrandtI basically just added a check inside the gdk window filter (the one inside moblin-settings-daemon that handles all the keyboard shortcuts). If it's already processing a previously recognized shortcut and it recieves another, it just removes it from the gdk queue and returns, i.e. it just gets ignored instead of getting processed right on top of the current one22:20
ToddBrandtThis situation should never actually occur, mind you, since the gdk filter function is supposed to be serial, but I have no idea what changes they did in the hardy version of xorg&gdk22:21
ToddBrandttonyespy: let's try irc 22:25
ToddBrandttonyespy: can you get a file through your IRC client?22:25
tonyespydon't know...  it looks like it might work?22:25
tonyespydoesn't look like it's working...22:26
ToddBrandtyea it's sorta sitting there22:26
tonyespymail's probably best22:26
ToddBrandtyea22:26
ToddBrandtok, 1 moment22:26
ToddBrandttonyespy: ok, I just sent out the .deb, if that doesn't fix it I'll create a version with some debug info to maybe help narrow down the issue.22:34
tonyespyToddBrandt: thanks!22:37
simoncm_trainingIs the release still slated for shortly after 8.04?23:32

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