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* hwilde needs help with ssh port forwarding unsolved mystery if anybody has the curiousity gene01:03
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slangasekxivulon: bug #226622> you can't have two packages uploaded with the same version number; 1.7 is already in intrepid, the hardy-proposed upload needs to have a different version number04:37
ubottuLaunchpad bug 226622 in initramfs-tools "Wubi has unclear error message on NTFS dirty flag" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22662204:37
slangasekxivulon: the practical reason for this is that you can only have one binary package with a given filename in the package pool, and the filenames are already taken by the intrepid uploads, which are built in a different environment04:38
twbWhat's the primary HTTP URL for the ISOs?  (I know not to use it, I just want to put it in a comment.)05:37
twbI'd work it out myself but neither the "enhanced" download page nor the mirror list seem to cite the authoritative URL05:39
twbOh, here we go: http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04/05:40
twbHidden under "bittorrent".05:40
emgentheya warp1006:37
warp10hey emgent06:40
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Mirvbtw, hopefully going to see some of you for the first time at Praha :)08:02
tjaaltonMirv: \o/08:21
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pittihello10:06
tseliotpitti: hi :-)10:09
pittigeser: right, so we should do a rebuild for -itk alongside it10:09
danshearer1hello all10:10
soreno/10:10
danshearer1I just chucked some notes together about the session on replication of data across WANS10:10
danshearer1http://shearer.org/WANFileReplication10:10
danshearer1starting after a short break (thanks for a good OpenLDAP talk, Howard.)10:10
StevenKYay Freenode10:19
StevenKHrm. Has anyone hit up Freenode staff about a mask?10:28
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* pitti looks at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/231023 .. W?T?F?11:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 231023 in malone "on status change, show new status in Subject:" [Undecided,New]11:10
pittiassertion error in xargs?11:10
pittierm, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/14556419/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.at_3.1.10.1ubuntu2_CHROOTWAIT.txt.gz of course11:14
pittiinfinity: ^ did you ever see that before?11:14
danshearer1hey again... having a discussion here about a Japanese project for pre-optimising blocks on an ISO image11:26
danshearer1basically treat ISOs as a tape, which makes livecds boot faster:11:26
danshearer1http://www.alpha.co.jp/biz/rdg/ac-knoppix/index_en.html11:26
danshearer1It's called LCAT11:27
sorenCan anyone give me a good reason *not* to add --rsyncable to the call to gzip in dpkg-deb?11:29
broonieThe only problem with --rsyncable is that it makes things a little bigger.11:29
StevenKpitti: Ow.11:30
pittisoren: might make the alternates overflow again11:30
sorenah.11:31
sorenThe man page says that it generally doesn't incur more overhead than about 1%, but I guess that's more than enough to be a problem for the alternates.11:33
pittithat would still mean 7 MB11:37
HobbseeStevenK: i hit Ng up about hitting Spads up about a mask.  no idea what happened after that.11:37
pittisoren: I'd actually like to see it the other way round, switch the default format to lzma11:37
pitti*that* will buy us a lot11:37
pittiboth for CDs and for users having to download less11:38
Hobbseeyeah, they didn't.11:38
HobbseeSpads: any ETA?11:38
SpadsHobbsee: only just got the message, sorry.  Been slinging cable all day11:39
HobbseeSpads: ah, fun.11:39
Hobbseeoh, i even have an existing mail11:40
HobbseeSpads: mailed.11:42
mgunesHobbsee, you're attending UDS?11:43
Hobbseemgunes: nope.11:43
Hobbseemgunes: was far too inactive - and causing trouble.11:44
\shoh...is there already some mail addr to apply for voip accounts?11:44
Hobbsee\sh: doubt it, if htey've been cabling only today11:45
stgraberVOIP isn't installed yet here11:46
stgraberprobably only for UDS, so on Monday11:46
\shHobbsee, I thought more of workflow :)11:46
\shStevenK, are you working on xmms2 merge? there are some merges which are in need of this new release11:47
* Hobbsee thought someone else was - a contributor11:47
Ngthere should be a wiki page before UDS starts with the details for participation11:47
Ngregistration is usually done via IRC rather than email11:47
\shHobbsee, xmms2?11:47
Hobbseei thought so11:47
StevenK\sh: Someone else already asked me11:47
\shStevenK, well...what was the outcome? you do , or this someone? :)11:48
StevenKI don't care.11:50
StevenK\sh: Fight it out with him, I don't want to touch xmms211:50
\shStevenK, name?11:50
\shStevenK, /me neither...but it blocks..if we can find a crazy guy to touch it...much better11:51
\sh-EKILLMOM11:51
\shis it possible to rerun mom to recreate correct merged changelogs for intrepid...*darn*11:52
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kirklandpitti: reminder, please sync ecryptfs-utils 45-1 into intrepid ( http://packages.qa.debian.org/e/ecryptfs-utils/news/20080516T063203Z.html )13:10
pittikirkland: I just did a 'sync all' run, ecryptfs was amongst it13:14
kirklandpitti: outstanding, thanks!13:20
* cody-somerville is in Prague. :)13:20
nxvlcody-somerville: have you just arrive?13:21
* cody-somerville nods.13:22
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nxvlcody-somerville: are you alredy at the hotel?13:24
cody-somervilleMy hotel, yes.13:24
cody-somervilleI'm staying at Panorama for two nights and then moving to Towers13:24
nxvloh, you are not staying at the Corintia towers?13:24
nxvloh13:24
nxvlok13:24
nxvlbut come on and join us at fosscamp13:25
cody-somervilleI shall. I just need to shower.13:25
nxvlbeen there13:25
cody-somervilleI've been travelling since yesterday morning.13:25
nxvlyour trip was longer than mine?13:25
nxvlwhere are you comming from?13:25
cody-somervilleCanada13:25
cody-somervilleI went Fredericton, NB, Canada -> Toronto, ON, Canada -13:25
nxvloh ok13:26
cody-somerville> Heathrow, London -> Prague13:26
nxvllong trip13:26
cody-somervilleDidn't help that I had to reroute in Toronto13:29
nxvlyup13:30
cody-somervilleThey didn't give me enough time to transfer in Heathrow originally so I had to reroute through Air Canada to get there earlier so that I could arrive at a decent time today.13:30
cody-somervilleAnd then my last two jumps were initially on standby so I was worried I'd have to sleep in the airport, haha.13:30
cody-somervillebut overall, not too bad.13:32
pochuis it possible to install an encrypted system from the alternate cd using manual partitioning (and not the entire disk) ?13:44
pittipochu: yes, it is; you just set the usage of the partition to 'encryption'13:47
pittipochu: (optionally with LVM, as you prefer)13:47
pochupitti: ah, thank you, found it!13:49
pittipochu: then you'll get another 'virtual' partition which you then configure normally13:49
emgentmorning14:03
keesfta_: hi! asac said you ran into some issues with fortify-source.  what problems did you see?14:04
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ftakees, multiple crashes in firefox 3 and xul 1.914:04
keesfta: verrry interesting.  do you have the output from it?14:05
ftakees, mostly in realpath()14:05
keeswhoa14:05
ftakees, something like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12452/14:06
keesfta: hah, that looks like a real bug in xulrunner.  :P14:07
emgentkees: o/14:07
ftakees, i've tried to fix that while i was packaging songbird14:07
keesfta: cool.  I doubt it's a security issue, but probably an unnoticed memory corruption.14:07
ftakees, but the fixes didn't make sense to me.14:08
keesfta: heh.  do you have an example patches?14:08
ftakees, http://paste.ubuntu.com/12455/14:09
ftakees, this patch fixed at least 2 crashes in realpath but it's weird14:09
keesfta: haha.  cute.  yeah, that patch just makes a larger path name.  I'll poke at it.14:10
ftakees, i know, that's why it's weird. MAXPATHLEN = 1024 but the path returned by realpath() was no more than 380 bytes14:11
keesweird.14:11
ftakees, i suspected a bug in libc14:11
keesthat's certainly possible.14:11
ftakees, then i gave up and moved to CPPFLAGS=-U_FORTIFY_SOURCE14:12
keesfta: yup.  can you please add details about this exception to the end of the CompilerFlags wiki page?  I want to track any packages that disable flags.14:13
ftakees, sure. i want to revisit that eventually. if you're attending uds, maybe we can further discuss that there14:15
keescool, sure.14:15
kees(i'll be there)14:15
sistpoty|workkees: are you also interested in exceptions for LDFLAGS? (as libxfont1 doesn't work with -Bsymbolic-functions, still trying to track down why though)14:34
ftawe had to drop -Bsymbolic-functions at some point in xulrunner-1.9 too (in hardy), when mozilla moved libjemalloc from shared to static14:37
keessistpoty|work: I'm personally not, but it's certainly a good thing to track.  since -Bsymbolic-functions is a dpkg default, we might want to add it to that CompilerFlags wiki too14:42
sistpoty|workkees: (I've already filed a bug about it against libxfont1, listing my findings so far...) ok, will add it to the wiki page as well (once I'm home, since I don't have my credentials here)14:43
keescool, thanks14:43
rausb0what is the reason for ubuntu klogd not reading from /proc/kmsg directly?15:12
ograrausb0, security ... you would have to run the daemon as root15:14
rausb0ogra: ah, i see15:15
_MMA_Would any recent have killed CUPS printing?15:15
_MMA_gah. Wrong window15:15
rausb0ogra: so only the dd process runs as root and passes the kmsg data to klogd through the named pipe15:15
ograright15:15
ograand the klod daemon runs as user klog15:16
ogra*klogd15:16
rausb0yeah15:16
pochupitti, cjwatson: d-i has hanged at the same point twice... if I set a partition to encryption, then go to configure encrypted partitions, set the passphrase, and when it comes back to the partitions, if I go to that partition (to modify it) again, it says changes can't be done to a configured encrypted partition. I go back and it hangs. What would be the right package for that bug, d-i?15:16
evandpochu: partman-crypto15:20
pochuevand: thank you15:21
evandyou're welcome15:21
pochuevand: hmm, it offers two options, "go back" and "continue", continue works, but go back hangs15:25
* pochu reports it at lp15:25
evandpochu: Please add /var/log/partman and /var/log/syslog as attachments15:26
pochuevand: how could I do that? I guess if I reboot the logs will be lost... and I don't have ssh access to the installer, do I?15:31
evandif you can back up, there's a save install logs option15:32
evandfrom the main menu15:32
pochuevand: bug 23110015:34
ubottuLaunchpad bug 231100 in partman-crypto "Installer hangs when trying to modify a configured encrypted partition" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/23110015:34
pochuevand: looking at that logs option, let's see if I can find it15:34
pochuevand: "save debug logs", right?15:38
evandcorrect15:38
pochuevand: done15:47
pochuit was easier than what I thought :)15:47
evandheh, fantastic15:47
pittiTheMuso, Hobbsee: can I get your ack on bug 214959? it is the SRU for bug 224599 (which has an impressive 238 dups)15:56
ubottuLaunchpad bug 214959 in libuser "system-config-samba.py fails to start due to missing /etc/libuser.conf in Hardy" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21495915:56
ubottuLaunchpad bug 224599 in system-config-samba "system-config-samba.py crashed with SystemError in __init__()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22459915:56
pittiTheMuso, Hobbsee, sistpoty|work: is ~moru-sru still actually ack'ing SRUs, or did I miss a change in procedure? I didn't see any acks in bugs recenlty (there are a few pending SRUs for quite a while)15:57
sistpoty|workpitti: I guess they should, maybe LaserJock can confirm it? (that motu-sru ack's SRU's)15:58
sistpoty|workoh, there he's off again15:58
sistpoty|workjdong, imbrandon: ^^15:59
ScottKpitti: I've certainly asked them to ack things I'm working on.16:01
pittiok, thanks16:02
norsettosistpoty|work: are you replacing laserjock in motu-sru?16:02
sistpoty|worknorsetto: no16:03
pittiI feel slightly uncomfortable with not waiting for an ack, although for a case like this it would really be unanimous to do it, I guess (trivial and obvious patch, >200 dups)16:03
norsettosistpoty|work: hmmm, I wouldn't mind if you were16:03
pittiI think I'll just accept it to -proposed now and take the bullets for it later16:03
sistpoty|worknorsetto: hm... let's do a call on the ubuntu-motu mailing list, shall we?16:04
norsettosistpoty|work: as long as you volunteer :-)16:05
sistpoty|worknorsetto: damn, I hoped I could escape with that *g*16:05
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LucidFoxpitti, now that f-spot 0.4.3.1-0ubuntu1 has been uploaded to intrepid, what will happen to bug #226117?16:41
ubottuLaunchpad bug 226117 in f-spot "Please merge f-spot 0.4.3.1-1 from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22611716:41
pittiLucidFox: that should still happen16:43
LucidFoxah16:43
pittiLucidFox: I just copied it to be in sync with hardy-updates (SRU policy)16:44
pittiLucidFox: merging should still happen16:44
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pochuevand: I've just installed Ubuntu and hardy-security isn't enabled. Isn't it supposed to be enabled by default?17:34
seb128pochu: how did you install? sure security should be enabled17:37
pochuseb128: d-i, manual partitioning, ext3, no encryption, 1 partition for / and one for swap in a disk which has winxp installed17:38
pochuhardy-updates is enabled though. I'm also surprised -updates is and -security isn't17:38
seb128no idea if that's a known issue17:38
pochuif d-i is the right package to look for, doesn't look like17:39
pochuah17:39
pochuI have "#Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:"17:40
pochuand then the hardy-security lines17:40
pochuthat's weird17:40
pochuI didn't have networking during the installation17:40
pochubut it shouldn't matter, as there's just one main security server, isn't there?17:41
jdaviespochu: did you install while s.u.c was down?17:41
seb128ok, time to call it a day17:41
pochujdavies: I've just installed it, but I didn't have networking during the install17:42
jdaviespochu: that might explain it ;-)17:42
pochuoh well, but that could leave many users without security support just because they didn't have networking during the installation17:43
pochuit didn't disabled hardy or hardy-updates either way :-)17:43
k0phi all.20:01
k0pI'm searching for a package mantainer of Ubuntu. Someone around there?20:02
ScottKYes.  What package?  Most Ubuntu packages are team maintained.20:04
danshearerOpenSSL as light relief:  http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/security_holes.png  :-)20:05
k0pScottK, well I'm working on a project. We release a stable release soon. And I make a Ubuntu 8.04 Package for testing. It works fine. But we would like that our package can be in Ubuntu repositories..20:07
k0pI would like make a contact to help me with it.20:07
ScottKk0p: For 8.04 it is to late.  We are working on 8.10 now.  The best channel for that discussion in #ubuntu-motu.  That's where new packages are handled.20:08
k0pScottK, yeah, I know that is late for 8.0420:08
k0pwell20:08
k0pI make this package for the release we have package for 8.0420:08
ScottKIf it's in 8.10, then it can (presumably) be backported to 8.04 and be available in hardy-backports.20:09
k0pBut I intend make a package for new version20:09
k0pthe next release of ubuntu is out on 10th august, right?20:09
ScottKNo. In October.  The version is Year.Month20:09
Laneyk0p: End of October is when 8.10 is released.20:09
k0poh okay. Sorry I don't know about it.20:10
Pici(200)8.1020:10
k0pthanks a lof by information. I'll to the other channel. Thanks for the suggestion.20:10
ScottKk0p: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule20:11
k0pScottK, thanks.20:11
k0pthanks for all. And sorry for something. :)20:12
ScottKIt's no problem at all.20:13
ftakees, I've added cvs to the list of problems (cvs suffers from "%n in writable segment detected")20:14
sistpotyfta: oh, I hope I didn't interfere with you editing the wiki (as I just added libxfont1)20:16
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ftasimira, you did, but i managed ;)20:34
sistpotybryce: seems like I found the "bug" for libxfont1 not working with -Bsymbolic-functions...20:40
gnomefreaktjaalton: bug 212648 well i have an ATI same symptoms same outcome same website, could this be any drivers installed by envy or is it not related to envy at all?20:41
ubottuLaunchpad bug 212648 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "[nvidia-new, hardy] certain websites in firefox causes X restart due to lack of wfb symlink" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21264820:41
brycesistpoty: oh?20:41
sistpotybryce: if you look at src/stubs, there are a number of functions defined as weak, which contain only dummy implemenations (and hence are meant to be override by binaries/libraries using them)20:41
sistpotybryce: which matches quite good with the last comment on bug #23046020:42
ubottuLaunchpad bug 230460 in libxfont "xorg fails to start if linked with -Bsymbolic-functions" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/23046020:42
gnomefreakah and i was gonna ask about libxfont1 next week :)20:42
sistpotybryce: so I guess it's not a bug, but rather done by design20:43
sistpoty(however I'll leave that for you to decide ;))20:43
brycehmm, ok thanks for the info20:52
sistpotyno problem ;)20:52
tseliotgnomefreak: what's the problem with Envy?20:54
gnomefreaktseliot: im not sure if its envy at all20:54
gnomefreaktseliot: the bug report is filed against l-r-m-envy20:55
gnomefreakits the nvidia crash X bug20:55
gnomefreaki found one with ATI im wondering by name of bug now is it envy20:55
tseliotgnomefreak: it affects the packages which envyng uses since they are based on the lrm20:55
gnomefreakother wise im not sure why summary has envy in it20:55
gnomefreakso it could be the same bug?20:56
tseliotgnomefreak: no one has reported the same problem with an ATI card yet (AFAIK)20:56
* gnomefreak just knew of 8xxx nvidia-new drivers anything lower than 8xxx you wont see it20:56
gnomefreaktseliot: i have one20:57
tseliotgnomefreak: what model?20:57
gnomefreaksame site same crash without crash report it looks the same but for this you really cant get much of a crash report20:57
gnomefreaktseliot: he says its a X60020:58
gnomefreakRadeon20:58
gnomefreaktseliot: bug 22727420:58
ubottuLaunchpad bug 227274 in firefox "X session crash when I visit a page with firefox" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22727420:58
gnomefreakcall it a hunch but im 99% sure same bug20:58
emgentheya people21:02
tseliotgnomefreak: this is weird. The packages which contain the ATI driver do not touch libwfb.so21:02
tseliotemgent: hi21:02
gnomefreaktseliot: that makes me wonder now too but i do know that link doesnt crash FF but crashes X21:02
emgenttseliot: o/21:03
gnomefreaktseliot: well thats why i asked for the extra info maybe hes using upstream drivers or wrong drivers?21:04
tseliotgnomefreak: what if there's an upstream bug we're not aware of? Did you have a look at ATI's bugzilla?21:04
tseliotgnomefreak: the NVIDIA cards which use libwfb are Geforce 8xxx and it's not a coincidence that such cards are affected by that bug while older models are not21:09
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tseliotgnomefre1k: did you get my previous messages?21:12
tseliotgnomefreak: furthermore (back to the ATI driver) version 8.3 has problems with scrolling in Firefox (which hogs the CPU). This is solved in version 8.421:14
gnomefre1ktseliot: ok is this GFX?21:15
tseliotgnomefre1k: GFX?21:16
gnomefre1kGFX in Firefox causes slow scrolling AFAIK21:16
gnomefre1ktseliot: you want this bug?21:17
gnomefre1ksince its not mozilla related?21:17
tseliotgnomefre1k: yes, sure21:18
tseliotgnomefre1k: if the new driver solves the problem then we can close the bugreport21:18
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* sistpoty should have known better, to not report a stupid bug (#231195)21:19
gnomefreaktseliot: ok ill assign you to it thanks. i have more mozilla issues than we can handle atm :)21:19
tseliotgnomefreak: ok then ;)21:20
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* norsetto would like to meet the libmyhello upstream one day ....21:23
sistpotyheh21:24
* sistpoty won't admit, that he is only ~ 250 km away from Prague :P21:25
keescjwatson: what in the world... your upload of openssh-blacklist went into NEW on debian?!21:29
sistpotybryce: sorry, seems like a false alarm to libxfont1... my current tests seem to prove that a weak symbol will still be able to get overridden, even if -Bsymbolic-functions is used21:38
sistpotykees: maybe you have more knowledge on this?21:38
keessistpoty: I don't know about that area, I'm afraid.  perhaps doko has more details?21:39
brycesistpoty: ok21:40
macdOn gutsy sshd, when a user logs out, its leaving a stale session, is anyone else experiencing this, (only started a after the second sshd update)21:44
sistpotyoh, I'm stupid... I forgot to add -Wl, to the gcc call (which will call ld). strange enough gcc doesn't complain21:46
sistpotybryce: ok, weak symbols are affected too, so what I initially wrote is still true ;)21:48
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