[01:03]  * hwilde needs help with ssh port forwarding unsolved mystery if anybody has the curiousity gene
[04:37] <slangasek> xivulon: bug #226622> you can't have two packages uploaded with the same version number; 1.7 is already in intrepid, the hardy-proposed upload needs to have a different version number
[04:38] <slangasek> xivulon: the practical reason for this is that you can only have one binary package with a given filename in the package pool, and the filenames are already taken by the intrepid uploads, which are built in a different environment
[05:37] <twb> What's the primary HTTP URL for the ISOs?  (I know not to use it, I just want to put it in a comment.)
[05:39] <twb> I'd work it out myself but neither the "enhanced" download page nor the mirror list seem to cite the authoritative URL
[05:40] <twb> Oh, here we go: http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04/
[05:40] <twb> Hidden under "bittorrent".
[06:37] <emgent> heya warp10
[06:40] <warp10> hey emgent
[08:02] <Mirv> btw, hopefully going to see some of you for the first time at Praha :)
[08:21] <tjaalton> Mirv: \o/
[10:06] <pitti> hello
[10:09] <tseliot> pitti: hi :-)
[10:09] <pitti> geser: right, so we should do a rebuild for -itk alongside it
[10:10] <danshearer1> hello all
[10:10] <soren> o/
[10:10] <danshearer1> I just chucked some notes together about the session on replication of data across WANS
[10:10] <danshearer1> http://shearer.org/WANFileReplication
[10:10] <danshearer1> starting after a short break (thanks for a good OpenLDAP talk, Howard.)
[10:19] <StevenK> Yay Freenode
[10:28] <StevenK> Hrm. Has anyone hit up Freenode staff about a mask?
[11:10]  * pitti looks at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/231023 .. W?T?F?
[11:10] <pitti> assertion error in xargs?
[11:14] <pitti> erm, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/14556419/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.at_3.1.10.1ubuntu2_CHROOTWAIT.txt.gz of course
[11:14] <pitti> infinity: ^ did you ever see that before?
[11:26] <danshearer1> hey again... having a discussion here about a Japanese project for pre-optimising blocks on an ISO image
[11:26] <danshearer1> basically treat ISOs as a tape, which makes livecds boot faster:
[11:26] <danshearer1> http://www.alpha.co.jp/biz/rdg/ac-knoppix/index_en.html
[11:27] <danshearer1> It's called LCAT
[11:29] <soren> Can anyone give me a good reason *not* to add --rsyncable to the call to gzip in dpkg-deb?
[11:29] <broonie> The only problem with --rsyncable is that it makes things a little bigger.
[11:30] <StevenK> pitti: Ow.
[11:30] <pitti> soren: might make the alternates overflow again
[11:31] <soren> ah.
[11:33] <soren> The man page says that it generally doesn't incur more overhead than about 1%, but I guess that's more than enough to be a problem for the alternates.
[11:37] <pitti> that would still mean 7 MB
[11:37] <Hobbsee> StevenK: i hit Ng up about hitting Spads up about a mask.  no idea what happened after that.
[11:37] <pitti> soren: I'd actually like to see it the other way round, switch the default format to lzma
[11:37] <pitti> *that* will buy us a lot
[11:38] <pitti> both for CDs and for users having to download less
[11:38] <Hobbsee> yeah, they didn't.
[11:38] <Hobbsee> Spads: any ETA?
[11:39] <Spads> Hobbsee: only just got the message, sorry.  Been slinging cable all day
[11:39] <Hobbsee> Spads: ah, fun.
[11:40] <Hobbsee> oh, i even have an existing mail
[11:42] <Hobbsee> Spads: mailed.
[11:43] <mgunes> Hobbsee, you're attending UDS?
[11:43] <Hobbsee> mgunes: nope.
[11:44] <Hobbsee> mgunes: was far too inactive - and causing trouble.
[11:44] <\sh> oh...is there already some mail addr to apply for voip accounts?
[11:45] <Hobbsee> \sh: doubt it, if htey've been cabling only today
[11:46] <stgraber> VOIP isn't installed yet here
[11:46] <stgraber> probably only for UDS, so on Monday
[11:46] <\sh> Hobbsee, I thought more of workflow :)
[11:47] <\sh> StevenK, are you working on xmms2 merge? there are some merges which are in need of this new release
[11:47]  * Hobbsee thought someone else was - a contributor
[11:47] <Ng> there should be a wiki page before UDS starts with the details for participation
[11:47] <Ng> registration is usually done via IRC rather than email
[11:47] <\sh> Hobbsee, xmms2?
[11:47] <Hobbsee> i thought so
[11:47] <StevenK> \sh: Someone else already asked me
[11:48] <\sh> StevenK, well...what was the outcome? you do , or this someone? :)
[11:50] <StevenK> I don't care.
[11:50] <StevenK> \sh: Fight it out with him, I don't want to touch xmms2
[11:50] <\sh> StevenK, name?
[11:51] <\sh> StevenK, /me neither...but it blocks..if we can find a crazy guy to touch it...much better
[11:51] <\sh> -EKILLMOM
[11:52] <\sh> is it possible to rerun mom to recreate correct merged changelogs for intrepid...*darn*
[13:10] <kirkland> pitti: reminder, please sync ecryptfs-utils 45-1 into intrepid ( http://packages.qa.debian.org/e/ecryptfs-utils/news/20080516T063203Z.html )
[13:14] <pitti> kirkland: I just did a 'sync all' run, ecryptfs was amongst it
[13:20] <kirkland> pitti: outstanding, thanks!
[13:20]  * cody-somerville is in Prague. :)
[13:21] <nxvl> cody-somerville: have you just arrive?
[13:22]  * cody-somerville nods.
[13:24] <nxvl> cody-somerville: are you alredy at the hotel?
[13:24] <cody-somerville> My hotel, yes.
[13:24] <cody-somerville> I'm staying at Panorama for two nights and then moving to Towers
[13:24] <nxvl> oh, you are not staying at the Corintia towers?
[13:24] <nxvl> oh
[13:24] <nxvl> ok
[13:25] <nxvl> but come on and join us at fosscamp
[13:25] <cody-somerville> I shall. I just need to shower.
[13:25] <nxvl> been there
[13:25] <cody-somerville> I've been travelling since yesterday morning.
[13:25] <nxvl> your trip was longer than mine?
[13:25] <nxvl> where are you comming from?
[13:25] <cody-somerville> Canada
[13:25] <cody-somerville> I went Fredericton, NB, Canada -> Toronto, ON, Canada -
[13:26] <nxvl> oh ok
[13:26] <cody-somerville> > Heathrow, London -> Prague
[13:26] <nxvl> long trip
[13:29] <cody-somerville> Didn't help that I had to reroute in Toronto
[13:30] <nxvl> yup
[13:30] <cody-somerville> They didn't give me enough time to transfer in Heathrow originally so I had to reroute through Air Canada to get there earlier so that I could arrive at a decent time today.
[13:30] <cody-somerville> And then my last two jumps were initially on standby so I was worried I'd have to sleep in the airport, haha.
[13:32] <cody-somerville> but overall, not too bad.
[13:44] <pochu> is it possible to install an encrypted system from the alternate cd using manual partitioning (and not the entire disk) ?
[13:47] <pitti> pochu: yes, it is; you just set the usage of the partition to 'encryption'
[13:47] <pitti> pochu: (optionally with LVM, as you prefer)
[13:49] <pochu> pitti: ah, thank you, found it!
[13:49] <pitti> pochu: then you'll get another 'virtual' partition which you then configure normally
[14:03] <emgent> morning
[14:04] <kees> fta_: hi! asac said you ran into some issues with fortify-source.  what problems did you see?
[14:04] <fta> kees, multiple crashes in firefox 3 and xul 1.9
[14:05] <kees> fta: verrry interesting.  do you have the output from it?
[14:05] <fta> kees, mostly in realpath()
[14:05] <kees> whoa
[14:06] <fta> kees, something like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12452/
[14:07] <kees> fta: hah, that looks like a real bug in xulrunner.  :P
[14:07] <emgent> kees: o/
[14:07] <fta> kees, i've tried to fix that while i was packaging songbird
[14:07] <kees> fta: cool.  I doubt it's a security issue, but probably an unnoticed memory corruption.
[14:08] <fta> kees, but the fixes didn't make sense to me.
[14:08] <kees> fta: heh.  do you have an example patches?
[14:09] <fta> kees, http://paste.ubuntu.com/12455/
[14:09] <fta> kees, this patch fixed at least 2 crashes in realpath but it's weird
[14:10] <kees> fta: haha.  cute.  yeah, that patch just makes a larger path name.  I'll poke at it.
[14:11] <fta> kees, i know, that's why it's weird. MAXPATHLEN = 1024 but the path returned by realpath() was no more than 380 bytes
[14:11] <kees> weird.
[14:11] <fta> kees, i suspected a bug in libc
[14:11] <kees> that's certainly possible.
[14:12] <fta> kees, then i gave up and moved to CPPFLAGS=-U_FORTIFY_SOURCE
[14:13] <kees> fta: yup.  can you please add details about this exception to the end of the CompilerFlags wiki page?  I want to track any packages that disable flags.
[14:15] <fta> kees, sure. i want to revisit that eventually. if you're attending uds, maybe we can further discuss that there
[14:15] <kees> cool, sure.
[14:15] <kees> (i'll be there)
[14:34] <sistpoty|work> kees: are you also interested in exceptions for LDFLAGS? (as libxfont1 doesn't work with -Bsymbolic-functions, still trying to track down why though)
[14:37] <fta> we had to drop -Bsymbolic-functions at some point in xulrunner-1.9 too (in hardy), when mozilla moved libjemalloc from shared to static
[14:42] <kees> sistpoty|work: I'm personally not, but it's certainly a good thing to track.  since -Bsymbolic-functions is a dpkg default, we might want to add it to that CompilerFlags wiki too
[14:43] <sistpoty|work> kees: (I've already filed a bug about it against libxfont1, listing my findings so far...) ok, will add it to the wiki page as well (once I'm home, since I don't have my credentials here)
[14:43] <kees> cool, thanks
[15:12] <rausb0> what is the reason for ubuntu klogd not reading from /proc/kmsg directly?
[15:14] <ogra> rausb0, security ... you would have to run the daemon as root
[15:15] <rausb0> ogra: ah, i see
[15:15] <_MMA_> ﻿Would any recent have killed CUPS printing?
[15:15] <_MMA_> gah. Wrong window
[15:15] <rausb0> ogra: so only the dd process runs as root and passes the kmsg data to klogd through the named pipe
[15:15] <ogra> right
[15:16] <ogra> and the klod daemon runs as user klog
[15:16] <ogra> *klogd
[15:16] <rausb0> yeah
[15:16] <pochu> pitti, cjwatson: d-i has hanged at the same point twice... if I set a partition to encryption, then go to configure encrypted partitions, set the passphrase, and when it comes back to the partitions, if I go to that partition (to modify it) again, it says changes can't be done to a configured encrypted partition. I go back and it hangs. What would be the right package for that bug, d-i?
[15:20] <evand> pochu: partman-crypto
[15:21] <pochu> evand: thank you
[15:21] <evand> you're welcome
[15:25] <pochu> evand: hmm, it offers two options, "go back" and "continue", continue works, but go back hangs
[15:25]  * pochu reports it at lp
[15:26] <evand> pochu: Please add /var/log/partman and /var/log/syslog as attachments
[15:31] <pochu> evand: how could I do that? I guess if I reboot the logs will be lost... and I don't have ssh access to the installer, do I?
[15:32] <evand> if you can back up, there's a save install logs option
[15:32] <evand> from the main menu
[15:34] <pochu> evand: bug 231100
[15:34] <pochu> evand: looking at that logs option, let's see if I can find it
[15:38] <pochu> evand: "save debug logs", right?
[15:38] <evand> correct
[15:47] <pochu> evand: done
[15:47] <pochu> it was easier than what I thought :)
[15:47] <evand> heh, fantastic
[15:56] <pitti> TheMuso, Hobbsee: can I get your ack on bug 214959? it is the SRU for bug 224599 (which has an impressive 238 dups)
[15:57] <pitti> TheMuso, Hobbsee, sistpoty|work: is ~moru-sru still actually ack'ing SRUs, or did I miss a change in procedure? I didn't see any acks in bugs recenlty (there are a few pending SRUs for quite a while)
[15:58] <sistpoty|work> pitti: I guess they should, maybe LaserJock can confirm it? (that motu-sru ack's SRU's)
[15:58] <sistpoty|work> oh, there he's off again
[15:59] <sistpoty|work> jdong, imbrandon: ^^
[16:01] <ScottK> pitti: I've certainly asked them to ack things I'm working on.
[16:02] <pitti> ok, thanks
[16:02] <norsetto> sistpoty|work: are you replacing laserjock in motu-sru?
[16:03] <sistpoty|work> norsetto: no
[16:03] <pitti> I feel slightly uncomfortable with not waiting for an ack, although for a case like this it would really be unanimous to do it, I guess (trivial and obvious patch, >200 dups)
[16:03] <norsetto> sistpoty|work: hmmm, I wouldn't mind if you were
[16:03] <pitti> I think I'll just accept it to -proposed now and take the bullets for it later
[16:04] <sistpoty|work> norsetto: hm... let's do a call on the ubuntu-motu mailing list, shall we?
[16:05] <norsetto> sistpoty|work: as long as you volunteer :-)
[16:05] <sistpoty|work> norsetto: damn, I hoped I could escape with that *g*
[16:41] <LucidFox> pitti, now that f-spot 0.4.3.1-0ubuntu1 has been uploaded to intrepid, what will happen to bug #226117?
[16:43] <pitti> LucidFox: that should still happen
[16:43] <LucidFox> ah
[16:44] <pitti> LucidFox: I just copied it to be in sync with hardy-updates (SRU policy)
[16:44] <pitti> LucidFox: merging should still happen
[17:34] <pochu> evand: I've just installed Ubuntu and hardy-security isn't enabled. Isn't it supposed to be enabled by default?
[17:37] <seb128> pochu: how did you install? sure security should be enabled
[17:38] <pochu> seb128: d-i, manual partitioning, ext3, no encryption, 1 partition for / and one for swap in a disk which has winxp installed
[17:38] <pochu> hardy-updates is enabled though. I'm also surprised -updates is and -security isn't
[17:38] <seb128> no idea if that's a known issue
[17:39] <pochu> if d-i is the right package to look for, doesn't look like
[17:39] <pochu> ah
[17:40] <pochu> I have "#Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:"
[17:40] <pochu> and then the hardy-security lines
[17:40] <pochu> that's weird
[17:40] <pochu> I didn't have networking during the installation
[17:41] <pochu> but it shouldn't matter, as there's just one main security server, isn't there?
[17:41] <jdavies> pochu: did you install while s.u.c was down?
[17:41] <seb128> ok, time to call it a day
[17:42] <pochu> jdavies: I've just installed it, but I didn't have networking during the install
[17:42] <jdavies> pochu: that might explain it ;-)
[17:43] <pochu> oh well, but that could leave many users without security support just because they didn't have networking during the installation
[17:43] <pochu> it didn't disabled hardy or hardy-updates either way :-)
[20:01] <k0p> hi all.
[20:02] <k0p> I'm searching for a package mantainer of Ubuntu. Someone around there?
[20:04] <ScottK> Yes.  What package?  Most Ubuntu packages are team maintained.
[20:05] <danshearer> OpenSSL as light relief:  http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/security_holes.png  :-)
[20:07] <k0p> ScottK, well I'm working on a project. We release a stable release soon. And I make a Ubuntu 8.04 Package for testing. It works fine. But we would like that our package can be in Ubuntu repositories..
[20:07] <k0p> I would like make a contact to help me with it.
[20:08] <ScottK> k0p: For 8.04 it is to late.  We are working on 8.10 now.  The best channel for that discussion in #ubuntu-motu.  That's where new packages are handled.
[20:08] <k0p> ScottK, yeah, I know that is late for 8.04
[20:08] <k0p> well
[20:08] <k0p> I make this package for the release we have package for 8.04
[20:09] <ScottK> If it's in 8.10, then it can (presumably) be backported to 8.04 and be available in hardy-backports.
[20:09] <k0p> But I intend make a package for new version
[20:09] <k0p> the next release of ubuntu is out on 10th august, right?
[20:09] <ScottK> No. In October.  The version is Year.Month
[20:09] <Laney> k0p: End of October is when 8.10 is released.
[20:10] <k0p> oh okay. Sorry I don't know about it.
[20:10] <Pici> (200)8.10
[20:10] <k0p> thanks a lof by information. I'll to the other channel. Thanks for the suggestion.
[20:11] <ScottK> k0p: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule
[20:11] <k0p> ScottK, thanks.
[20:12] <k0p> thanks for all. And sorry for something. :)
[20:13] <ScottK> It's no problem at all.
[20:14] <fta> kees, I've added cvs to the list of problems (cvs suffers from "%n in writable segment detected")
[20:16] <sistpoty> fta: oh, I hope I didn't interfere with you editing the wiki (as I just added libxfont1)
[20:34] <fta> simira, you did, but i managed ;)
[20:40] <sistpoty> bryce: seems like I found the "bug" for libxfont1 not working with -Bsymbolic-functions...
[20:41] <gnomefreak> tjaalton: bug 212648 well i have an ATI same symptoms same outcome same website, could this be any drivers installed by envy or is it not related to envy at all?
[20:41] <bryce> sistpoty: oh?
[20:41] <sistpoty> bryce: if you look at src/stubs, there are a number of functions defined as weak, which contain only dummy implemenations (and hence are meant to be override by binaries/libraries using them)
[20:42] <sistpoty> bryce: which matches quite good with the last comment on bug #230460
[20:42] <gnomefreak> ah and i was gonna ask about libxfont1 next week :)
[20:43] <sistpoty> bryce: so I guess it's not a bug, but rather done by design
[20:43] <sistpoty> (however I'll leave that for you to decide ;))
[20:52] <bryce> hmm, ok thanks for the info
[20:52] <sistpoty> no problem ;)
[20:54] <tseliot> ﻿gnomefreak: what's the problem with Envy?
[20:54] <gnomefreak> tseliot: im not sure if its envy at all
[20:55] <gnomefreak> tseliot: the bug report is filed against l-r-m-envy
[20:55] <gnomefreak> its the nvidia crash X bug
[20:55] <gnomefreak> i found one with ATI im wondering by name of bug now is it envy
[20:55] <tseliot> ﻿gnomefreak: it affects the packages which envyng uses since they are based on the lrm
[20:55] <gnomefreak> other wise im not sure why summary has envy in it
[20:56] <gnomefreak> so it could be the same bug?
[20:56] <tseliot> ﻿gnomefreak: no one has reported the same problem with an ATI card yet (AFAIK)
[20:56]  * gnomefreak just knew of 8xxx nvidia-new drivers anything lower than 8xxx you wont see it
[20:57] <gnomefreak> tseliot: i have one
[20:57] <tseliot> ﻿gnomefreak: what model?
[20:57] <gnomefreak> same site same crash without crash report it looks the same but for this you really cant get much of a crash report
[20:58] <gnomefreak> tseliot: he says its a X600
[20:58] <gnomefreak> Radeon
[20:58] <gnomefreak> tseliot: bug 227274
[20:58] <gnomefreak> call it a hunch but im 99% sure same bug
[21:02] <emgent> heya people
[21:02] <tseliot> gnomefreak: this is weird. The packages which contain the ATI driver do not touch libwfb.so
[21:02] <tseliot> ﻿emgent: hi
[21:02] <gnomefreak> tseliot: that makes me wonder now too but i do know that link doesnt crash FF but crashes X
[21:03] <emgent> tseliot: o/
[21:04] <gnomefreak> tseliot: well thats why i asked for the extra info maybe hes using upstream drivers or wrong drivers?
[21:04] <tseliot> ﻿gnomefreak: what if there's an upstream bug we're not aware of? Did you have a look at ATI's bugzilla?
[21:09] <tseliot> ﻿gnomefreak: the NVIDIA cards which use libwfb are Geforce 8xxx and it's not a coincidence that such cards are affected by that bug while older models are not
[21:12] <tseliot> ﻿gnomefre1k: did you get my previous messages?
[21:14] <tseliot> ﻿gnomefreak: furthermore (back to the ATI driver) version 8.3 has problems with scrolling in Firefox (which hogs the CPU). This is solved in version 8.4
[21:15] <gnomefre1k> tseliot: ok is this GFX?
[21:16] <tseliot> ﻿gnomefre1k: GFX?
[21:16] <gnomefre1k> GFX in Firefox causes slow scrolling AFAIK
[21:17] <gnomefre1k> tseliot: you want this bug?
[21:17] <gnomefre1k> since its not mozilla related?
[21:18] <tseliot> ﻿gnomefre1k: yes, sure
[21:18] <tseliot> ﻿gnomefre1k: if the new driver solves the problem then we can close the bugreport
[21:19]  * sistpoty should have known better, to not report a stupid bug (#231195)
[21:19] <gnomefreak> tseliot: ok ill assign you to it thanks. i have more mozilla issues than we can handle atm :)
[21:20] <tseliot> ﻿gnomefreak: ok then ;)
[21:23]  * norsetto would like to meet the libmyhello upstream one day ....
[21:24] <sistpoty> heh
[21:25]  * sistpoty won't admit, that he is only ~ 250 km away from Prague :P
[21:29] <kees> cjwatson: what in the world... your upload of openssh-blacklist went into NEW on debian?!
[21:38] <sistpoty> bryce: sorry, seems like a false alarm to libxfont1... my current tests seem to prove that a weak symbol will still be able to get overridden, even if -Bsymbolic-functions is used
[21:38] <sistpoty> kees: maybe you have more knowledge on this?
[21:39] <kees> sistpoty: I don't know about that area, I'm afraid.  perhaps doko has more details?
[21:40] <bryce> sistpoty: ok
[21:44] <macd> On gutsy sshd, when a user logs out, its leaving a stale session, is anyone else experiencing this, (only started a after the second sshd update)
[21:46] <sistpoty> oh, I'm stupid... I forgot to add -Wl, to the gcc call (which will call ld). strange enough gcc doesn't complain
[21:48] <sistpoty> bryce: ok, weak symbols are affected too, so what I initially wrote is still true ;)