[00:06] oh adept session was today? [02:00] am I the only person who can't click on stuff from the download page on the Kubuntu website? [02:01] probably [02:01] grrr [02:01] I hope so [02:02] the stupid DDV links work fine [02:02] DVD [02:02] * Jucato gives a rainy day wave [02:02] I can't click any of the Cd links [02:02] * daskreech kicks KonquiKDE4 [02:06] wow, that laptop bag you won is expensive [02:06] who? [02:06] er, etretyak.. who is not here [02:06] yeah [02:06] didn't notice the name didnt complete [02:06] * Jucato was meaning to congratulate him [02:13] evening :) [02:13] Hey [02:13] how are you? [02:13] Wait [02:13] good how are you ? [02:14] did they put out a new Ubuntu book? [02:14] don't know if it is actually out [02:14] but there will be [02:14] the kubuntu chapter will cover kbuntu remix [02:14] * daskreech grumbles. Should have gotten two chapters [02:14] i agree, one on kde 3 and one on kde4 [02:14] out july 13, 2008 [02:17] Am I loopy or didn't K3b add Blu-ray burning last year ? [02:18] i odn't know [02:18] haven't followed k3b development [02:18] bummer i have a vm that is locked :( [02:20] yay have bzr+ssh in windows working [02:21] That was why I started following k3b [02:21] didn't care till one day I saw they added blu-ray burning [02:21] sounds cool, didn't know there were blue-ray burning utilities [02:21] this was like a month before blu-ray burners were available so I had now idea how they did that or tested it [02:22] Well I'm looking in the Ubuntu wiki and it has there is no way to burn blu-Ray [02:22] Yes there is! install Kubuntu! [02:22] * daskreech thinks it highly amusing that it's a Blu Ray :) [02:22] when you get a brown ray call us!! [06:17] * daskreech grumbles [06:17] Why are my only updates gtk :( [06:26] Jucato: how's school? [07:28] anyone up? === hunger_t is now known as hunger [09:41] yuriy: Yeah, but only me and Riddell appeared. [10:47] Riddell: hmm, I seem to be short on information on where to meet with you folks... I mean the location is clear, but what should I do when I get there? [10:47] on Monday [10:47] Thank you for any information. [10:48] seele: your last blogpost reminded me of the Dark Side of usability [10:48] seele: trying to achieve what is best for someone else [10:48] seele: hmm, better put: being sure to know what is best for someone else. [10:51] seele: I mean - you shouldn't really prefer "usability" over usefulness. Which is what the original Pidgin developers did. I know you were trying to address some "marketing talk" Funpidgin folks put on their website, but still, you cannot take that post without the context. [10:57] mhb: third floor is where UDS is [11:06] <\sh> moins [11:06] <\sh> nixternal: we need to fix qt4-designer in backports [11:06] <\sh> or wait..is it again my system not knowing about backports anymore? [11:06] <\sh> oh fun [11:53] jcastro: right, but nobody knows me, and I don't know any of you folks... [11:54] jcastro: and asking strangers is not my greatest pleasure, to be honest. [11:54] jcastro: but thank you for the info! [12:04] <\sh> mhb: follow the smell of beer and cigarettes ;) [12:05] hmm, both of which I dislike :o) [12:07] <\sh> or just follow people who are looking geekish, wearing laptop bags...they are mostly all friendly and are not byting ;) [12:07] right, well [12:08] I've met a lot of grumpy geeks, trust me :o) === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde [13:06] mhb: the post wasn't about funpidgin, it was about their project philosophy [13:48] Czessi, Nightrose: is amarok and kubuntu having a joint booth at linuxtag? [13:58] Riddell: afaik amarok and kubuntu will share booth 124 in hangar 7.2b. Not sure if this is an up to date information. [13:58] seems to be if their website is correct [13:59] Riddell: yes, opposite to the ubuntu/edubuntu booth [14:03] Riddell: any idea on libqt4-devs' "missing" deps? [14:09] hi - since it has been mentioned on the kde planet in the past, I suppose it is well known that launchpad by many is considered a disaster for translations [14:09] what is kubuntu devels stance on this issue? [14:10] works for me [14:11] I did the best thing I could - gave up translations. [14:11] some launchpad translation teams are poor communities [14:11] oh and in hardy there is a nasty bug with KDE 3 plural strings [14:12] larsivi_: any paticular issue you want to moan about? [14:13] Riddell: what do you plan on doing on Sunday? [14:13] or is there a Canonical-only party? :o) [14:14] I understand FOSSCamp ends today and UDS starts Monday. [14:14] mhb: see some sites of Prague I think [14:14] seele should arrive at some point [14:14] KDE people at fosscamp will leave at some point [14:14] OK. [14:15] any recommended tourist activities? [14:15] I may have some time tomorrow, if you want a native sherpa. [14:15] Riddell: i'll be there mid-day sunday [14:16] mhb: castles! [14:16] mhb: got my phone number? [14:16] seele: you have no phone for europe right? [14:16] like, real ones with stones.. none of those huge mansions they call castles [14:16] Riddell: nope, i got a new phone! [14:16] Riddell: +1 724 331 3058 [14:17] groovy [14:17] although it's like $2 a minute.. so sms is best [14:17] the escape codes are different in europe, so i have to figure out how to use it [14:17] it should effect calling in tho [14:17] yes, text is the only sane thing for international use [14:18] *shouldn't [14:18] Riddell: I guess I do. [14:18] +447941938912 lest you don't [14:18] but it still costs me as much as if I were calling into England, right? [14:18] stdin: I wrote about the deps yesterday [14:18] which is kind of inconvenient [14:19] stdin: Czessi can probably get you a backlog ;-) [14:19] apachelogger: I have a bug on it bug 229813, but I'm not sure if anything is missing/not needed there [14:19] Launchpad bug 229813 in qt4-x11 "libqt4-dev seems to have some missing dependencies" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/229813 [14:19] stdin: just compare the build-deps to the ones you listed [14:20] I have a diff somewhere [14:20] anyway [14:20] they are not missing [14:20] as debian is patching the buildsystem to it's knees [14:21] mhb: to call yes, it costs me too to receive, so texts are best in most cases [14:22] we need a free/libre open mobile communication carrier I guess [14:23] Riddell: btw, who backported qt 4.4ß [14:23] s/ß/? [14:23] Riddell: okay, my cell phone # is +420608508294 [14:25] * Riddell looks guilty and hides from apachelogger [14:25] Riddell: so if you need me (or just want me along), text me. [14:26] groovy [14:27] * apachelogger spots Riddell and releases the hounds [14:27] stdin: qt 4.4 has been split into a few more packages, maybe libqt4-dev doesn't depend on them all? [14:27] Riddell: no [14:27] the thing is [14:27] Riddell: I've looked at opengl-dev too, nada [14:27] cmake does reverse dependency linking [14:27] apachelogger: whats the status of quassel and intrepid? [14:27] so kde packages would fail on very lowlevel deps because of cmake [14:28] now of course that is quite bad practice in case the name of such a lowlevel dep changes [14:28] kde4libs ftbfs for instase [14:28] *instance [14:28] which made debian think they should patch cmake/kde's cmake files [14:28] to only link to real dependencies [14:29] and that is really why our current KDE 4 packages fail [14:29] best case this gets fixed when 4.1 packages are merged [14:29] the only non-qt deps I can find for libqt4-dev and libqt4-opengl-dev seem to be: libc6, libgcc1, libstdc++6, zlib1g, libgl1-mesa-dev | libgl-dev, libglu1-mesa-dev | libglu-dev [14:29] worst case is that 3rd party stuff breaks after merging [14:29] debian are editing cmake files in 4.1 [14:30] some are in Suggests though [14:30] Riddell: do you always have to sum me up in one sentence ;-) [14:30] jussi01: needs revu [14:30] http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=quassel [14:31] apachelogger: ahh, nice :) [14:33] stdin: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12732/ [14:33] if strigi found the right file these packages should be deps for libqt4-dev [14:34] in addition to the exisiting ones IIRC [14:35] yuriy: I have pushed your patches (and a whole lot of others). [14:36] apachelogger: I'm still unclear on why qt 4.4 causes all the linking errors that it does, it can't just be a few missing depends on the -dev package [14:40] from what I can see, the -dev package doesn't really depend on anything non-qt [14:41] Riddell: AFAIK cmake is causing the errors, not Qt [14:42] Riddell: http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-buildsystem/2008-April/004626.html [14:42] http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-buildsystem/2008-May/004639.html [14:45] hmm, but cmake 2.6 isn't in hardy-backports [14:46] so maybe the issues in intrepid are different than in hardy-backports [14:47] Riddell: I think currently they are the same since the only thing that changed in both is qt4 [14:47] cmake 2.6 itself doesn't fix the issue, it still needs the patched KDE cmake files [14:51] stdin: do you know if qt 4 used to depend on those pacakges? [14:51] <\sh> oh...did anyone see this jumping kde cursor with broken icon bottom right, after upgrading to kde4.0.4 via -backports? [14:51] Riddell: hey.... can someone participate in UDS remotely? [14:52] <\sh> nosrednaekim: voip obviously...I think [14:52] oh nice.... using what program/protocol? SIP? [14:52] Riddell: yes it did [14:52] nosrednaekim: SIP, AFAIK. [14:52] <\sh> nosrednaekim: yes [14:52] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/i386/libqt4-dev/4.3.4-0ubuntu3 is longer than https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/i386/libqt4-dev/4.4.0-1ubuntu3~hardy1 [14:53] fabo: do you know why libqt4-dev has lost its non-qt dependencies? [14:54] didn't I tell that 5 minutes ago :P [14:55] Riddell: this is what libqt4-dev for 4.3 depended on http://stdin.pastebin.com/d6ea5c25d [14:55] nosrednaekim: I don't see any information about voip for UDS, although that's what has happened in the past [14:56] Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12736/ [14:56] nosrednaekim: but if it's not possible, don't worry, we can chat/hack while the others sleep :o) [14:56] hehe [14:57] Riddell: also see http://paste.ubuntu.com/12737/ [14:57] apachelogger: interesting [14:57] mhb: XD [15:00] so if we add back those qt dependencies can those 97_ patches be removed? [15:00] most probably [15:01] Riddell: we can as well just add the deps [15:01] Nightrose did some builds in hardy-backports with just the deps [15:06] wow.... the PPA is slow === smarter_ is now known as smarter [15:08] uhh, shiny akonadi icons in kde trunk [15:08] hrrhrr [15:09] nuno and his usual genius [15:10] yeah [15:10] stdin: do you have a build failure log from backports? [15:12] http://launchpadlibrarian.net/14476631/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-i386.kde4libs_4%3A4.0.4-0ubuntu1~hardy2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [15:13] stdin: ok, that's different from what I get in intrepid [15:13] so for backports we just want to add back those missing qt4 depends [15:14] for intrepid we want to remove the 97_ and 98_ patches from kde4libs too [15:14] Riddell: is 4.1 in intrepid yet? [15:14] apachelogger: no, it's blocked on main inclusion reports [15:14] ok [15:15] * apachelogger notes that he really has to go for core-dev when kde 4.1 is in main [15:18] otherwise it's all on my laoptop ready to go [15:18] 4 [15:19] mornin' [15:20] morning nixternal [15:20] nixternal: wanna revu http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=quassel ;-) [15:20] * nixternal revus [15:25] apachelogger: revu'd [15:25] fix your watch file, that's it really, and maybe add something about it being qt based in the description?? [15:27] nixternal: does that matter for the user ;-) [15:27] there is also some issue with the desktop file actually [15:27] nixternal: thanks for the revu :) [15:46] I was wondering why I wasn't getting crazy amounts of updates in Hardy...just realized I didn't have hardy-proposed in my sources [15:47] now I can go back to breaking stuff again, or letting others break it for me :p [15:47] Fetched 84.6MB in 1min13s (1148kB/s) [15:47] that rocks..gotta love the new intertubes I got [15:49] morning! [15:51] mornin' yuriy [15:51] holy smokes!!!! [15:51] I finally get the "Reboot Required" thing in Adept [15:51] that rocks! [15:52] nixternal: any kubuntu packages come in among those? [15:52] yup [15:52] kaffeine may still be in -proposed? [15:52] kde3 stuff [15:52] what else? [15:53] pastebinning it now [15:55] Riddell: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/m752f25c6 [15:55] quite a bit actually, and kaffeine is still in -proposed [15:55] time to roll out...going to a craft fair...fun [15:55] hi Jucato [15:55] bye Jucato [15:55] :) [15:55] hi nixternal! [15:55] bye nixternal! [15:57] mornfall: pulled. looks like a lot of progress :) [15:58] Riddell: have you had a chance too look at the patch for bug 218138? [15:58] Launchpad bug 218138 in kde4libs "unable to launch atlantik in kde4" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218138 [15:58] nixternal: looks like just kdebase and kaffeine [15:59] mornfall is busy hacking away opposite me [15:59] last night he implemented the upgrader without even touching his keyboard! [16:00] nixternal: fancy checking the bugs reports for those and seeing if they can go into -updates? [16:01] yuriy: hmm, I added that somewhere [16:01] yuriy: oh, it's in backports unapproved [16:02] * Riddell approves [16:04] yuriy: I've copied into my kde4libs package due for intrepid too [16:05] yuriy: I don't know if you want to do a SRU [16:05] mornfall: did you make some changes to ept as well? [16:06] Riddell: do we need it in intrepid if stuff is going to get moved around anyway? [16:06] Riddell: i was working with 4.0.4, don't know about SRU [16:13] yuriy: mm, good question [16:13] I still would like kde 3 packages marked as kde 3 [16:13] but it shouldn't add the path [16:14] yuriy: the same issue will be in the 4.0.3 in the normal hardy archive [16:16] i guess i should download that and test [16:17] yuriy: or just make the debdiff, get it uploaded then test when it's in -proposed [16:18] Riddell: do I need to fill out something else for SRU? [16:19] yuriy: on the bug report use Nominate for release and tick hardy [16:19] (assuming you have permissions to do so, I'm not sure who does) [16:19] Riddell: actually, I can set milestones. i was looking in the wrong place before [16:21] stdin: I've uploaded qt4 to intrepid with those depends added [16:21] will backport when it arrives [16:26] great :) [16:27] Riddell: also, maybe you could help, I was working on bug 214577, where there was no debian/patches directory before, so I created one and made a new patch using quilt according to the packaging guide [16:27] Launchpad bug 214577 in kgraphviewer-kde4 "kgraphviewer shows a blank screen" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214577 [16:27] but it's not showing up in the debdiff [16:30] yuriy: if you add a file to the package, add a changelog entry and debuild -S, it must appear in the debdiff [16:31] unless it's been deleted somehow [16:31] i must be doing something really absentminded, because only the changelog entry is showing up [16:32] yuriy: what happens when you copy the .dsc .diff and .orig elsewhere and extract? is the patch still there? [16:32] yuriy: are you sure you didn't accidently also debuild -S when you hadn't added the changelog, so you're debdiffing against a version which already has the patch added? [16:33] Riddell: oh! yes that's probably it [16:33] I've done that before [16:33] because I forgot to do the changelog at first. didn't think about the trash that'd leave behind beyond a debuild clean [16:35] Riddell: yep, that solved it, thanks [16:35] phew [16:37] does the changelog need to say hardy or hardy-updates? [16:38] yuriy: hardy-proposed [16:51] Riddell: I'm not a translator (at the moment, so I won't moan), but I think in particular that translations via launchapd are considered bad quality, so much so that the nynorsk kde mantainer advice against using (k)ubuntu [16:52] today he was pissed that it looked like he had accepted a new translation that he would never accept - https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/amarok/+pots/amarok/nn/1773/+translate [16:52] seems like it is more of a layout error than anything else, considering the dates doesn't match up [16:54] larsivi_: Karl Ove Hufthammer is the kde maintainer? [16:58] hmm hardy-updates is not in the milestone list [16:58] or is it ubuntu-8.04.1? [16:59] yuriy: Nominate for Release? [16:59] that's there [16:59] I don't quit understand the difference [17:00] s/quit/quite [17:00] it's a launchpad-ism, but generally apps and distros have defined releases and less defined milestoned [17:01] yuriy: this for 218138 ? [17:01] bug 218138 [17:01] Launchpad bug 218138 in kde4libs "unable to launch atlantik in kde4" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218138 [17:01] Riddell: that was for bug 214577, but about to add the 218138 one as well [17:01] Launchpad bug 214577 in kgraphviewer-kde4 "kgraphviewer shows a blank screen" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214577 [17:03] yuriy: also subscribe ubuntu-sru [17:06] yuriy: you put intrepid in that debdiff, but it's also for hardy-proposed? [17:06] oops [17:06] it needs uploaded for both [17:06] I can add a -proposed entry [17:07] Riddell: oh, ok, thanks [17:07] yuriy: Sorry, I forgot about those. [17:08] yuriy: infact it's universe, so don't subscribe ubuntu-sru, I can just accept it from the unapproved queue and do add the needs-verification tag [17:08] Riddell: oh ok. i subscribed ubuntu-sru for the kde4libs one [17:08] yuriy: then poke the sru-verification team people into testing then in a week I can move it into -updates [17:09] yuriy: I have also pushed wibble. [17:09] yuriy: I mean ept. [17:09] Blergh : - ). [17:11] yuriy: The binary is now called "adept" and if you run it as "adept updater" you should get updater UI. [17:14] mornfall: ok. but i'm still having trouble building. it's looking for packagedata.h which is not there [17:20] yuriy: Pull both... [17:21] mornfall: awesome :) [17:22] Now the UI bits for installer... [17:24] mornfall: crasher still there [17:24] yuriy: please add a test case comment starting "TEST CASE:" then a couple of sentenses saying how to verify problem then the fix [17:24] to both those bugs [17:24] then we're done until next week [17:28] seele: ping [17:29] Artemis_Fowl: pong [17:30] seele: http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/files/1327049_4j6r8/KGRUBEditor48.png [17:30] seele: radio buttons [17:31] seele: http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/files/1327050_hotpv/KGRUBEditor49.png (same with an entry selected) [17:32] Artemis_Fowl: cool. [17:32] seele: http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/files/1327051_dv5qn/KGRUBEditor50.png preview pane with white background [17:32] seele: and lastly the Quick Editor: http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/files/1329892_y0gpm/KGRUBEditor51.png [17:32] (you really had to choose XP as the sample? :P) [17:33] Artemis_Fowl: what does SaveDefault and MakeActive mean? [17:33] Artemis_Fowl: awesome work :) [17:33] seele: these are strange ones. [17:33] Jucato: :P thanks [17:33] Artemis_Fowl: and can you put spaces between the names? "Save Defaul" [17:33] those are actual options in GRUB [17:34] seele: both are strange [17:34] yuriy: Yeah, I haven't had time to investigate -- and I couldn't reproduce either. [17:34] if an entry is marked as savedefault and the default is set to 'saved' (yes it can take non-numerical value), then [17:35] Artemis_Fowl, seele: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/makeactive.html and http://gnu.j1b.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/savedefault.html [17:35] seele: if you boot it and reboot, this entry will be the default [17:35] Jucato: yes yes. I have read these docs over 100 times :) [17:35] Artemis_Fowl: just pointing seele to it and informing you that I'm pointing seele to it :) [17:35] Artemis_Fowl: aaah, ok. i know that default then [17:36] Artemis_Fowl: is it possible to add a space between the words for the label in the UI? [17:36] * Jucato is getting circular... [17:36] seele: of course [17:37] yuriy: Can you make a corefile and upload it somewhere? [17:37] mornfall: updated xapian index and can't reproduce it anymore either, so that was probably it [17:37] and make active makes the primary partition of the disk the root for GRUB [17:37] yuriy: Ah. Interesting. [17:37] they are strange concepts [17:37] yuriy: I have noticed some oddities with out-of-date index, although it *should* be resilient to that. It's still a bug if it breaks with old index. [17:38] Artemis_Fowl: is make active usually used by advanced users? [17:38] (Although updating the index from adept is something I want to implement, too.) [17:38] most users won't touch them but almost all distos use them [17:38] Oh, the trace is in an assert. [17:38] It's in closeEditor(). I'll check later. [17:38] I guess we go out now. [17:38] yuriy: Anyway, thanks for patches and testing. [17:39] yuriy: The progressbar looks nice. [17:39] mornfall: about that, what about updating apt and the index in the background on startup? [17:39] mornfall: k, bye [17:39] seele: it isn't used only by advanced users. the default menu file of (K)Ubuntu includes this attribute [17:39] ok [17:40] and the other edit mode is your wizard, correct? [17:40] (Btw, it might be better to make a pass through all of the listfile only counting lines and then you can have exact progress. [17:40] ) [17:40] seele: yes [17:40] Riddell: have you got your answer about Qt4 dependencies cleanup ? [17:40] i'm interested to see what people have to say about the two modes.. i dont know enough use cases with non advanced users to know how that will work out [17:40] yuriy: Noting that parsing the file once is very cheap in fact (it's all the stat-ing that's expensive). [17:41] if they will be confused why quick edit doesn't include certain options, or if they always rerun the wizard to make changes, etc. [17:41] See ya all. [17:41] mornfall: about the progress bar? yeah i was wondering why that should take long.. [17:41] --> : - ) [17:43] seele: actually other than the Title, Root, Chainloader and the CheckBoxes attributes, it doesn't make much sense to quick edit them [17:43] unless you are advanced user and know how GRUB works [17:43] Artemis_Fowl: but in that case, they're probably editing the file by hand [17:45] seele: GRUB is complex :| [17:46] seele: the next days I will be doing some internal stuff probably but moving on to the next page, (Boot Options), as I told you most of the options included in the wireframes are actually kernel parameters [17:47] seele: so only 3 options will be there? (Timeout,Hidden Menu and Save Default)? [17:47] Artemis_Fowl: ok [17:48] Artemis_Fowl: i'm leaving for prague in a few hours.. so i probably wont be around until sunday afternoon your time [17:48] hmm.. i should probably finish packing.. [17:48] seele: ok [17:49] seele: have a nice...umm...flight? [17:52] Artemis_Fowl: thanks. talk to you soon. [17:52] hopefully not DCA [17:59] seele: take care and have fun @ UDS :) === gnomefre2k is now known as gnomefreak === uga__ is now known as uga [18:41] Riddell: sorry, my mistake - there definately is an error in that launchpad page - mr Hufthammer never did approve of anything in launchpad, and definately not a bad phrase superseeding his own [18:42] I did misread the dates [20:04] * nixternal thinks that having an email flag for dput would rock - that way the list could get emailed when stuff is in proposed and backports for testing [20:04] hello nixternal [20:05] howdy [20:06] how are things in chi-town today? [20:11] nice and warm [20:11] im in detroit today and its raining and warm [20:12] just got back from one of the local "taste of" events...quite boring, food was ey, beer was good, and the booths were boring [20:12] that's a bummer, the taste of grand rapids events i've been too have had great food and great wine [20:12] I am a fan of Naperville's Rib Fest here [20:13] sounds yummy [20:13] they have awesome tunes, great food, and top knotch beer [20:13] the ribs are typically free if you get in where the competition is, you get to taste test :) [20:19] cool [20:19] i like free ribs :0 [20:23] if i was describing a process where i would ssh in via an uprivileged account and then elevating to root privileges would it be consided "superusering" [20:23] or su'ing [20:25] hrmm, good question [20:25] escalating user priviledges :p [20:26] hrm ok [20:26] i like superusering :) [20:29] isn't it system administration? :) [20:30] if i was using a ubuntu box i would describe it as using sudo with the administrative password [20:30] but working on a SLED 10 VM and using root [20:31] sudoing and suing should be added to dictionaries :) [20:32] i can't think of any easy way to describe those operations with few words. [20:32] but my english sucks. === uga is now known as uga|away [21:15] has anyone been able to build KDE 4 trunk with our qt4.4? [21:18] :S [21:18] nixternal: see the discussion I had earlier with Riddell [21:18] or about 24h ago with \sh [21:20] so I take that as a no then [21:21] I need to start working on stuff and I need KDE trunk [21:23] nixternal: what's the exact error? [21:23] I'd say you should build qt-copy anyway since the whole qt4.4 is pretty much useless these days :| [21:23] does hardy ship qt 4.4? [21:24] hardy-backports does [21:24] unfortunately [21:24] but it breaks as all apps are compiled with 4.3, right? [21:24] well, at least for KDE it doesn't [21:24] too my great surprise [21:24] oh. [21:24]