[00:06] <yuriy> oh adept session was today?
[02:00] <daskreech> am I the only person who can't click on stuff from the download page on the Kubuntu website?
[02:01] <Hobbsee> probably
[02:01] <daskreech> grrr
[02:01] <Jucato> I hope so
[02:02] <daskreech>  the stupid DDV links work fine
[02:02] <daskreech> DVD
[02:02]  * Jucato gives a rainy day wave
[02:02] <daskreech> I can't click any of the Cd links
[02:02]  * daskreech kicks KonquiKDE4
[02:06] <seele> wow, that laptop bag you won is expensive
[02:06] <Jucato> who?
[02:06] <seele> er, etretyak.. who is not here
[02:06] <Jucato> yeah
[02:06] <seele> didn't notice the name didnt complete
[02:06]  * Jucato was meaning to congratulate him
[02:13] <jjesse> evening :)
[02:13] <daskreech> Hey
[02:13] <daskreech> how are you?
[02:13] <daskreech> Wait
[02:13] <jjesse> good how are you ?
[02:14] <daskreech> did they put out a new Ubuntu book?
[02:14] <jjesse> don't know if it is actually out
[02:14] <jjesse> but there will be
[02:14] <jjesse> the kubuntu chapter will cover kbuntu remix
[02:14]  * daskreech grumbles. Should have gotten two chapters
[02:14] <jjesse> i agree, one on kde 3 and one on kde4
[02:14] <jjesse> out july 13, 2008
[02:17] <daskreech> Am I loopy or didn't K3b add Blu-ray burning last year ?
[02:18] <jjesse> i odn't know
[02:18] <jjesse> haven't followed k3b development
[02:18] <jjesse> bummer i have a vm that is locked :(
[02:20] <jjesse> yay have bzr+ssh in windows working
[02:21] <daskreech> That was why I started following k3b
[02:21] <daskreech> didn't care till one day I saw they added blu-ray burning
[02:21] <jjesse> sounds cool, didn't know there were blue-ray burning utilities
[02:21] <daskreech> this was like a month before blu-ray burners were available so I had now idea how they did that or tested it
[02:22] <daskreech> Well I'm looking in the Ubuntu wiki and it has there is no way to burn blu-Ray
[02:22] <daskreech> Yes there is! install Kubuntu!
[02:22]  * daskreech thinks it highly amusing that it's a Blu Ray :)
[02:22] <daskreech> when you get a brown ray call us!!
[06:17]  * daskreech grumbles
[06:17] <daskreech> Why are my only updates gtk :(
[06:26] <daskreech> Jucato: how's school?
[07:28] <daskreech> anyone up?
[09:41] <mornfall> yuriy: Yeah, but only me and Riddell appeared.
[10:47] <mhb> Riddell: hmm, I seem to be short on information on where to meet with you folks... I mean the location is clear, but what should I do when I get there?
[10:47] <mhb> on Monday
[10:47] <mhb> Thank you for any information.
[10:48] <mhb> seele: your last blogpost reminded me of the Dark Side of usability
[10:48] <mhb> seele: trying to achieve what is best for someone else
[10:48] <mhb> seele: hmm, better put: being sure to know what is best for someone else.
[10:51] <mhb> seele: I mean - you shouldn't really prefer "usability" over usefulness. Which is what the original Pidgin developers did. I know you were trying to address some "marketing talk" Funpidgin folks put on their website, but still, you cannot take that post without the context.
[10:57] <jcastro> mhb: third floor is where UDS is
[11:06] <\sh> moins
[11:06] <\sh> nixternal: we need to fix qt4-designer in backports
[11:06] <\sh> or wait..is it again my system not knowing about backports anymore?
[11:06] <\sh> oh fun
[11:53] <mhb> jcastro: right, but nobody knows me, and I don't know any of you folks...
[11:54] <mhb> jcastro: and asking strangers is not my greatest pleasure, to be honest.
[11:54] <mhb> jcastro: but thank you for the info!
[12:04] <\sh> mhb: follow the smell of beer and cigarettes ;)
[12:05] <mhb> hmm, both of which I dislike :o)
[12:07] <\sh> or just follow people who are looking geekish, wearing laptop bags...they are mostly all friendly and are not byting ;)
[12:07] <mhb> right, well
[12:08] <mhb> I've met a lot of grumpy geeks, trust me :o)
[13:06] <seele> mhb: the post wasn't about funpidgin, it was about their project philosophy
[13:48] <Riddell> Czessi, Nightrose: is amarok and kubuntu having a joint booth at linuxtag?
[13:58] <neversfelde> Riddell: afaik amarok and kubuntu will share booth 124 in hangar 7.2b. Not sure if this is an up to date information.
[13:58] <Riddell> seems to be if their website is correct
[13:59] <Czessi> Riddell: yes, opposite to the ubuntu/edubuntu booth
[14:03] <stdin> Riddell: any idea on libqt4-devs' "missing" deps?
[14:09] <larsivi_> hi - since it has been mentioned on the kde planet in the past, I suppose it is well known that launchpad by many is considered a disaster for translations
[14:09] <larsivi_> what is kubuntu devels stance on this issue?
[14:10] <Riddell> works for me
[14:11] <mhb> I did the best thing I could - gave up translations.
[14:11] <Riddell> some launchpad translation teams are poor communities
[14:11] <Riddell> oh and in hardy there is a nasty bug with KDE 3 plural strings
[14:12] <Riddell> larsivi_: any paticular issue you want to moan about?
[14:13] <mhb> Riddell: what do you plan on doing on Sunday?
[14:13] <mhb> or is there a Canonical-only party? :o)
[14:14] <mhb> I understand FOSSCamp ends today and UDS starts Monday.
[14:14] <Riddell> mhb: see some sites of Prague I think
[14:14] <Riddell> seele should arrive at some point
[14:14] <Riddell> KDE people at fosscamp will leave at some point
[14:14] <mhb> OK.
[14:15] <Riddell> any recommended tourist activities?
[14:15] <mhb> I may have some time tomorrow, if you want a native sherpa.
[14:15] <seele> Riddell: i'll be there mid-day sunday
[14:16] <seele> mhb: castles!
[14:16] <Riddell> mhb: got my phone number?
[14:16] <Riddell> seele: you have no phone for europe right?
[14:16] <seele> like, real ones with stones.. none of those huge mansions they call castles
[14:16] <seele> Riddell: nope, i got a new phone!
[14:16] <seele> Riddell: +1 724 331 3058
[14:17] <Riddell> groovy
[14:17] <seele> although it's like $2 a minute.. so sms is best
[14:17] <seele> the escape codes are different in europe, so i have to figure out how to use it
[14:17] <seele> it should effect calling in tho
[14:17] <Riddell> yes, text is the only sane thing for international use
[14:18] <seele> *shouldn't
[14:18] <mhb> Riddell: I guess I do.
[14:18] <Riddell> +447941938912 lest you don't
[14:18] <mhb> but it still costs me as much as if I were calling into England, right?
[14:18] <apachelogger> stdin: I wrote about the deps yesterday
[14:18] <mhb> which is kind of inconvenient
[14:19] <apachelogger> stdin: Czessi can probably get you a backlog ;-)
[14:19] <stdin> apachelogger: I have a bug on it bug 229813, but I'm not sure if anything is missing/not needed there
[14:19] <apachelogger> stdin: just compare the build-deps to the ones you listed
[14:20] <apachelogger> I have a diff somewhere
[14:20] <apachelogger> anyway
[14:20] <apachelogger> they are not missing
[14:20] <apachelogger> as debian is patching the buildsystem to it's knees
[14:21] <Riddell> mhb: to call yes, it costs me too to receive, so texts are best in most cases
[14:22] <apachelogger> we need a free/libre open mobile communication carrier I guess
[14:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, who backported qt 4.4ß
[14:23] <apachelogger> s/ß/?
[14:23] <mhb> Riddell: okay, my cell phone # is +420608508294
[14:25]  * Riddell looks guilty and hides from apachelogger 
[14:25] <mhb> Riddell: so if you need me (or just want me along), text me.
[14:26] <Riddell> groovy
[14:27]  * apachelogger spots Riddell and releases the hounds
[14:27] <Riddell> stdin: qt 4.4 has been split into a few more packages, maybe libqt4-dev doesn't depend on them all?
[14:27] <apachelogger> Riddell: no
[14:27] <apachelogger> the thing is
[14:27] <stdin> Riddell: I've looked at opengl-dev too, nada
[14:27] <apachelogger> cmake does reverse dependency linking
[14:27] <jussi01> apachelogger: whats the status of quassel and intrepid?
[14:27] <apachelogger> so kde packages would fail on very lowlevel deps because of cmake
[14:28] <apachelogger> now of course that is quite bad practice in case the name of such a lowlevel dep changes
[14:28] <stdin> kde4libs ftbfs for instase
[14:28] <stdin> *instance
[14:28] <apachelogger> which made debian think they should patch cmake/kde's cmake files
[14:28] <apachelogger> to only link to real dependencies
[14:29] <apachelogger> and that is really why our current KDE 4 packages fail
[14:29] <apachelogger> best case this gets fixed when 4.1 packages are merged
[14:29] <stdin> the only non-qt deps I can find for libqt4-dev and libqt4-opengl-dev seem to be: libc6, libgcc1, libstdc++6, zlib1g, libgl1-mesa-dev | libgl-dev, libglu1-mesa-dev | libglu-dev
[14:29] <apachelogger> worst case is that 3rd party stuff breaks after merging
[14:29] <Riddell> debian are editing cmake files in 4.1
[14:30] <stdin> some are in Suggests though
[14:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you always have to sum me up in one sentence ;-)
[14:30] <apachelogger> jussi01: needs revu
[14:30] <apachelogger> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=quassel
[14:31] <jussi01> apachelogger: ahh, nice :)
[14:33] <apachelogger> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12732/
[14:33] <apachelogger> if strigi found the right file these packages should be deps for libqt4-dev
[14:34] <apachelogger> in addition to the exisiting ones IIRC
[14:35] <mornfall> yuriy: I have pushed your patches (and a whole lot of others).
[14:36] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'm still unclear on why qt 4.4 causes all the linking errors that it does, it can't just be a few missing depends on the -dev package
[14:40] <stdin> from what I can see, the -dev package doesn't really depend on anything non-qt
[14:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: AFAIK cmake is causing the errors, not Qt
[14:42] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-buildsystem/2008-April/004626.html
[14:42] <apachelogger> http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-buildsystem/2008-May/004639.html
[14:45] <Riddell> hmm, but cmake 2.6 isn't in hardy-backports
[14:46] <Riddell> so maybe the issues in intrepid are different than in hardy-backports
[14:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think currently they are the same since the only thing that changed in both is qt4
[14:47] <apachelogger> cmake 2.6 itself doesn't fix the issue, it still needs the patched KDE cmake files
[14:51] <Riddell> stdin: do you know if qt 4 used to depend on those pacakges?
[14:51] <\sh> oh...did anyone see this jumping kde cursor with broken icon bottom right, after upgrading to kde4.0.4 via -backports?
[14:51] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: hey.... can someone participate in UDS remotely?
[14:52] <\sh> nosrednaekim: voip obviously...I think
[14:52] <nosrednaekim> oh nice.... using what program/protocol? SIP?
[14:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: yes it did
[14:52] <mhb> nosrednaekim: SIP, AFAIK.
[14:52] <\sh> nosrednaekim: yes
[14:52] <Riddell> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/i386/libqt4-dev/4.3.4-0ubuntu3  is longer than  https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/i386/libqt4-dev/4.4.0-1ubuntu3~hardy1
[14:53] <Riddell> fabo: do you know why libqt4-dev has lost its non-qt dependencies?
[14:54] <apachelogger> didn't I tell that 5 minutes ago :P
[14:55] <stdin> Riddell: this is what libqt4-dev for 4.3 depended on http://stdin.pastebin.com/d6ea5c25d
[14:55] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: I don't see any information about voip for UDS, although that's what has happened in the past
[14:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12736/
[14:56] <mhb> nosrednaekim: but if it's not possible, don't worry, we can chat/hack while the others sleep :o)
[14:56] <apachelogger> hehe
[14:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: also see http://paste.ubuntu.com/12737/
[14:57] <Riddell> apachelogger: interesting
[14:57] <nosrednaekim> mhb: XD
[15:00] <Riddell> so if we add back those qt dependencies can those 97_ patches be removed?
[15:00] <apachelogger> most probably
[15:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: we can as well just add the deps
[15:01] <apachelogger> Nightrose did some builds in hardy-backports with just the deps
[15:06] <nosrednaekim> wow.... the PPA is slow
[15:08] <apachelogger> uhh, shiny akonadi icons in kde trunk
[15:08] <apachelogger> hrrhrr
[15:09] <Riddell> nuno and his usual genius
[15:10] <apachelogger> yeah
[15:10] <Riddell> stdin: do you have a build failure log from backports?
[15:12] <stdin> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/14476631/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-i386.kde4libs_4%3A4.0.4-0ubuntu1~hardy2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[15:13] <Riddell> stdin: ok, that's different from what I get in intrepid
[15:13] <Riddell> so for backports we just want to add back those missing qt4 depends
[15:14] <Riddell> for intrepid we want to remove the 97_ and 98_ patches from kde4libs too
[15:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: is 4.1 in intrepid yet?
[15:14] <Riddell> apachelogger: no, it's blocked on main inclusion reports
[15:14] <apachelogger> ok
[15:15]  * apachelogger notes that he really has to go for core-dev when kde 4.1 is in main 
[15:18] <Riddell> otherwise it's all on my laoptop ready to go
[15:18] <Riddell> 4
[15:19] <nixternal> mornin'
[15:20] <apachelogger> morning nixternal
[15:20] <apachelogger> nixternal: wanna revu http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=quassel ;-)
[15:20]  * nixternal revus
[15:25] <nixternal> apachelogger: revu'd
[15:25] <nixternal> fix your watch file, that's it really, and maybe add something about it being qt based in the description??
[15:27] <apachelogger> nixternal: does that matter for the user ;-)
[15:27] <apachelogger> there is also some issue with the desktop file actually
[15:27] <apachelogger> nixternal: thanks for the revu :)
[15:46] <nixternal> I was wondering why I wasn't getting crazy amounts of updates in Hardy...just realized I didn't have hardy-proposed in my sources
[15:47] <nixternal> now I can go back to breaking stuff again, or letting others break it for me :p
[15:47] <nixternal> Fetched 84.6MB in 1min13s (1148kB/s)
[15:47] <nixternal> that rocks..gotta love the new intertubes I got
[15:49] <yuriy> morning!
[15:51] <nixternal> mornin' yuriy
[15:51] <nixternal> holy smokes!!!!
[15:51] <nixternal> I finally get the "Reboot Required" thing in Adept
[15:51] <nixternal> that rocks!
[15:52] <Riddell> nixternal: any kubuntu packages come in among those?
[15:52] <nixternal> yup
[15:52] <Riddell> kaffeine may still be in -proposed?
[15:52] <nixternal> kde3 stuff
[15:52] <Riddell> what else?
[15:53] <nixternal> pastebinning it now
[15:55] <nixternal> Riddell: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/m752f25c6
[15:55] <nixternal> quite a bit actually, and kaffeine is still in -proposed
[15:55] <nixternal> time to roll out...going to a craft fair...fun
[15:55] <nixternal> hi Jucato
[15:55] <nixternal> bye Jucato
[15:55] <nixternal> :)
[15:55] <Jucato> hi nixternal!
[15:55] <Jucato> bye nixternal!
[15:57] <yuriy> mornfall: pulled. looks like a lot of progress :)
[15:58] <yuriy> Riddell: have you had a chance too look at the patch for bug 218138?
[15:58] <Riddell> nixternal: looks like just kdebase and kaffeine
[15:59] <Riddell> mornfall is busy hacking away opposite me
[15:59] <Riddell> last night he implemented the upgrader without even touching his keyboard!
[16:00] <Riddell> nixternal: fancy checking the bugs reports for those and seeing if they can go into -updates?
[16:01] <Riddell> yuriy: hmm, I added that somewhere
[16:01] <Riddell> yuriy: oh, it's in backports unapproved
[16:02]  * Riddell approves
[16:04] <Riddell> yuriy: I've copied into my kde4libs package due for intrepid too
[16:05] <Riddell> yuriy: I don't know if you want to do a SRU
[16:05] <yuriy> mornfall: did you make some changes to ept as well?
[16:06] <yuriy> Riddell: do we need it in intrepid if stuff is going to get moved around anyway?
[16:06] <yuriy> Riddell: i was working with 4.0.4, don't know about SRU
[16:13] <Riddell> yuriy: mm, good question
[16:13] <Riddell> I still would like kde 3 packages marked as kde 3
[16:13] <Riddell> but it shouldn't add the path
[16:14] <Riddell> yuriy: the same issue will be in the 4.0.3 in the normal hardy archive
[16:16] <yuriy> i guess i should download that and test
[16:17] <Riddell> yuriy: or just make the debdiff, get it uploaded then test when it's in -proposed
[16:18] <yuriy> Riddell: do I need to fill out something else for SRU?
[16:19] <Riddell> yuriy: on the bug report use Nominate for release and tick hardy
[16:19] <Riddell> (assuming you have permissions to do so, I'm not sure who does)
[16:19] <yuriy> Riddell: actually, I can set milestones. i was looking in the wrong place before
[16:21] <Riddell> stdin: I've uploaded qt4 to intrepid with those depends added
[16:21] <Riddell> will backport when it arrives
[16:26] <stdin> great :)
[16:27] <yuriy> Riddell: also, maybe you could help, I was working on bug 214577, where there was no debian/patches directory before, so I created one and made a new patch using quilt according to the packaging guide
[16:27] <yuriy> but it's not showing up in the debdiff
[16:30] <Riddell> yuriy: if you add a file to the package, add a changelog entry and debuild -S, it must appear in the debdiff
[16:31] <Riddell> unless it's been deleted somehow
[16:31] <yuriy> i must be doing something really absentminded, because only the changelog entry is showing up
[16:32] <Riddell> yuriy: what happens when you copy the .dsc .diff and .orig elsewhere and extract?  is the patch still there?
[16:32] <Riddell> yuriy: are you sure you didn't accidently also debuild -S when you hadn't added the changelog, so you're debdiffing against a version which already has the patch added?
[16:33] <yuriy> Riddell: oh! yes that's probably it
[16:33] <Riddell> I've done that before
[16:33] <yuriy> because I forgot to do the changelog at first. didn't think about the trash that'd leave behind beyond a debuild clean
[16:35] <yuriy> Riddell: yep, that solved it, thanks
[16:35] <Riddell> phew
[16:37] <yuriy> does the changelog need to say hardy or hardy-updates?
[16:38] <Riddell> yuriy: hardy-proposed
[16:51] <larsivi_> Riddell: I'm not a translator (at the moment, so I won't moan), but I think in particular that translations via launchapd are considered bad quality, so much so that the nynorsk kde mantainer advice against using (k)ubuntu
[16:52] <larsivi_> today he was pissed that it looked like he had accepted a new translation that he would never accept - https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/amarok/+pots/amarok/nn/1773/+translate
[16:52] <larsivi_> seems like it is more of a layout error than anything else, considering the dates doesn't match up
[16:54] <Riddell> larsivi_: Karl Ove Hufthammer  is the kde maintainer?
[16:58] <yuriy> hmm hardy-updates is not in the milestone list
[16:58] <yuriy> or is it ubuntu-8.04.1?
[16:59] <Riddell> yuriy: Nominate for Release?
[16:59] <yuriy> that's there
[16:59] <yuriy> I don't quit understand the difference
[17:00] <yuriy> s/quit/quite
[17:00] <Riddell> it's a launchpad-ism, but generally apps and distros have defined releases and less defined milestoned
[17:01] <Riddell> yuriy: this for 218138 ?
[17:01] <Riddell> bug 218138
[17:01] <yuriy> Riddell: that was for bug 214577, but about to add the 218138 one as well
[17:03] <Riddell> yuriy: also subscribe ubuntu-sru
[17:06] <Riddell> yuriy: you put intrepid in that debdiff, but it's also for hardy-proposed?
[17:06] <yuriy> oops
[17:06] <Riddell> it needs uploaded for both
[17:06] <Riddell> I can add a -proposed entry
[17:07] <yuriy> Riddell: oh, ok, thanks
[17:07] <mornfall> yuriy: Sorry, I forgot about those.
[17:08] <Riddell> yuriy: infact it's universe, so don't subscribe ubuntu-sru, I can just accept it from the unapproved queue and do add the needs-verification tag
[17:08] <yuriy> Riddell: oh ok. i subscribed ubuntu-sru for the kde4libs one
[17:08] <Riddell> yuriy: then poke the sru-verification team people into testing then in a week I can move it into -updates
[17:09] <mornfall> yuriy: I have also pushed wibble.
[17:09] <mornfall> yuriy: I mean ept.
[17:09] <mornfall> Blergh : - ).
[17:11] <mornfall> yuriy: The binary is now called "adept" and if you run it as "adept updater" you should get updater UI.
[17:14] <yuriy> mornfall: ok. but i'm still having trouble building. it's looking for packagedata.h which is not there
[17:20] <mornfall> yuriy: Pull both...
[17:21] <yuriy> mornfall: awesome :)
[17:22] <mornfall> Now the UI bits for installer...
[17:24] <yuriy> mornfall: crasher still there
[17:24] <Riddell> yuriy: please add a test case comment starting "TEST CASE:" then a couple of sentenses saying how to verify problem then the fix
[17:24] <Riddell> to both those bugs
[17:24] <Riddell> then we're done until next week
[17:28] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: ping
[17:29] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: pong
[17:30] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/files/1327049_4j6r8/KGRUBEditor48.png
[17:30] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: radio buttons
[17:31] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/files/1327050_hotpv/KGRUBEditor49.png (same with an entry selected)
[17:32] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: cool.
[17:32] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/files/1327051_dv5qn/KGRUBEditor50.png preview pane with white background
[17:32] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: and lastly the Quick Editor: http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/files/1329892_y0gpm/KGRUBEditor51.png
[17:32] <Jucato> (you really had to choose XP as the sample? :P)
[17:33] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: what does SaveDefault and MakeActive mean?
[17:33] <Jucato> Artemis_Fowl: awesome work :)
[17:33] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: these are strange ones.
[17:33] <Artemis_Fowl> Jucato: :P thanks
[17:33] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: and can you put spaces between the names? "Save Defaul"
[17:33] <Jucato> those are actual options in GRUB
[17:34] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: both are strange
[17:34] <mornfall> yuriy: Yeah, I haven't had time to investigate -- and I couldn't reproduce either.
[17:34] <Artemis_Fowl> if an entry is marked as savedefault and the default is set to 'saved' (yes it can take non-numerical value), then
[17:35] <Jucato> Artemis_Fowl, seele: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/makeactive.html and http://gnu.j1b.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/savedefault.html
[17:35] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: if you boot it and reboot, this entry will be the default
[17:35] <Artemis_Fowl> Jucato: yes yes. I have read these docs over 100 times :)
[17:35] <Jucato> Artemis_Fowl: just pointing seele to it and informing you that I'm pointing seele to it :)
[17:35] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: aaah, ok.  i know that default then
[17:36] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: is it possible to add a space between the words for the label in the UI?
[17:36]  * Jucato is getting circular...
[17:36] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: of course
[17:37] <mornfall> yuriy: Can you make a corefile and upload it somewhere?
[17:37] <yuriy> mornfall: updated xapian index and can't reproduce it anymore either, so that was probably it
[17:37] <Artemis_Fowl> and make active makes the primary partition of the disk the root for GRUB
[17:37] <mornfall> yuriy: Ah. Interesting.
[17:37] <Artemis_Fowl> they are strange concepts
[17:37] <mornfall> yuriy: I have noticed some oddities with out-of-date index, although it *should* be resilient to that. It's still a bug if it breaks with old index.
[17:38] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: is make active usually used by advanced users?
[17:38] <mornfall> (Although updating the index from adept is something I want to implement, too.)
[17:38] <Artemis_Fowl> most users won't touch them but almost all distos use them
[17:38] <mornfall> Oh, the trace is in an assert.
[17:38] <mornfall> It's in closeEditor(). I'll check later.
[17:38] <mornfall> I guess we go out now.
[17:38] <mornfall> yuriy: Anyway, thanks for patches and testing.
[17:39] <mornfall> yuriy: The progressbar looks nice.
[17:39] <yuriy> mornfall: about that, what about updating apt and the index in the background on startup?
[17:39] <yuriy> mornfall: k, bye
[17:39] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: it isn't used only by advanced users. the default menu file of (K)Ubuntu includes this attribute
[17:39] <seele> ok
[17:40] <seele> and the other edit mode is your wizard, correct?
[17:40] <mornfall> (Btw, it might be better to make a pass through all of the listfile only counting lines and then you can have exact progress.
[17:40] <mornfall> )
[17:40] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: yes
[17:40] <fabo> Riddell: have you got your answer about Qt4 dependencies cleanup ?
[17:40] <seele> i'm interested to see what people have to say about the two modes.. i dont know enough use cases with non advanced users to know how that will work out
[17:40] <mornfall> yuriy: Noting that parsing the file once is very cheap in fact (it's all the stat-ing that's expensive).
[17:41] <seele> if they will be confused why quick edit doesn't include certain options, or if they always rerun the wizard to make changes, etc.
[17:41] <mornfall> See ya all.
[17:41] <yuriy> mornfall: about the progress bar? yeah i was wondering why that should take long..
[17:41] <mornfall> --> : - )
[17:43] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: actually other than the Title, Root, Chainloader and the CheckBoxes attributes, it doesn't make much sense to quick edit them
[17:43] <Artemis_Fowl> unless you are advanced user and know how GRUB works
[17:43] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: but in that case, they're probably editing the file by hand
[17:45] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: GRUB is complex :|
[17:46] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: the next days I will be doing some internal stuff probably but moving on to the next page, (Boot Options),  as I told you most of the options included in the wireframes are actually kernel parameters
[17:47] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: so only 3 options will be there? (Timeout,Hidden Menu and Save Default)?
[17:47] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: ok
[17:48] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: i'm leaving for prague in a few hours.. so i probably wont be around until sunday afternoon your time
[17:48] <seele> hmm.. i should probably finish packing..
[17:48] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: ok
[17:49] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: have a nice...umm...flight?
[17:52] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: thanks.  talk to you soon.
[17:52] <crimsun> hopefully not DCA
[17:59] <Jucato> seele: take care and have fun @ UDS :)
[18:41] <larsivi_> Riddell: sorry, my mistake - there definately is an error in that launchpad page - mr Hufthammer never did approve of anything in launchpad, and definately not a bad phrase superseeding his own
[18:42] <larsivi_> I did misread the dates
[20:04]  * nixternal thinks that having an email flag for dput would rock - that way the list could get emailed when stuff is in proposed and backports for testing
[20:04] <jjesse> hello nixternal
[20:05] <nixternal> howdy
[20:06] <jjesse> how are things in chi-town today?
[20:11] <nixternal> nice and warm
[20:11] <jjesse> im in detroit today and its raining and warm
[20:12] <nixternal> just got back from one of the local "taste of" events...quite boring, food was ey, beer was good, and the booths were boring
[20:12] <jjesse> that's a bummer, the taste of grand rapids events i've been too have had great food and great wine
[20:12] <nixternal> I am a fan of Naperville's Rib Fest here
[20:13] <jjesse> sounds yummy
[20:13] <nixternal> they have awesome tunes, great food, and top knotch beer
[20:13] <nixternal> the ribs are typically free if you get in where the competition is, you get to taste test :)
[20:19] <jjesse> cool
[20:19] <jjesse> i like free ribs :0
[20:23] <jjesse> if i was describing a process where i would ssh in via an uprivileged account and then elevating to root privileges would it be consided "superusering"
[20:23] <jjesse> or su'ing
[20:25] <nixternal> hrmm, good question
[20:25] <nixternal> escalating user priviledges :p
[20:26] <jjesse> hrm ok
[20:26] <jjesse> i like superusering :)
[20:29] <fdoving> isn't it system administration? :)
[20:30] <jjesse> if i was using a ubuntu box i would describe it as using sudo with the administrative password
[20:30] <jjesse> but working on a SLED 10 VM and using root
[20:31] <fdoving> sudoing and suing should be added to dictionaries :)
[20:32] <fdoving> i can't think of any easy way to describe those operations with few words.
[20:32] <fdoving> but my english sucks.
[21:15] <nixternal> has anyone been able to build KDE 4 trunk with our qt4.4?
[21:18] <apachelogger> :S
[21:18] <apachelogger> nixternal: see the discussion I had earlier with Riddell
[21:18] <apachelogger> or about 24h ago with \sh
[21:20] <nixternal> so I take that as a no then
[21:21] <nixternal> I need to start working on stuff and I need KDE trunk
[21:23] <apachelogger> nixternal: what's the exact error?
[21:23] <apachelogger> I'd say you should build qt-copy anyway since the whole qt4.4 is pretty much useless these days :|
[21:23] <fdoving> does hardy ship qt 4.4?
[21:24] <apachelogger> hardy-backports does
[21:24] <apachelogger> unfortunately
[21:24] <fdoving> but it breaks as all apps are compiled with 4.3, right?
[21:24] <apachelogger> well, at least for KDE it doesn't
[21:24] <apachelogger> too my great surprise
[21:24] <fdoving> oh.
[21:24] <apachelogger> some graphic glitches though
[21:25] <apachelogger> kdm wallpaper not rendering
[21:25] <apachelogger> and systray rendering too much
[21:26] <fdoving> back when i tried ridd*lls ppa packages of qt4.4 it made all pre-built apps have white text instead of black etc.
[21:27] <apachelogger> might have been a bug in pre-release-releases
[21:28] <fdoving> nixternal: i'm pretty happy with my setup with a $HOME/kde4 dir and a qt-copy in the user-dir. and i've modified the environments for the different sessions in a way that i can have KDE3, KDE4(kubuntu), and KDE4.devel all running as one user with ~/.kde, ~/.kde4 and ~/.kde4d
[21:28] <nixternal> ya, I was trying to not download qt-copy :)
[21:28] <nixternal> oh well...that is the route I shall go then
[21:28] <fdoving> yeah, note that kde 4.1 breaks kde4.0s ~/.kde for some apps.
[21:29] <fdoving> atleast did for me.
[21:29] <fdoving> plasma especially.
[21:29] <fdoving> that's why i made the ~/.kde4d
[21:29] <fdoving> for the devel
[21:29] <apachelogger> I always like a smooth upgrade path :S
[21:30] <fdoving> yeah, upgrading works nicely.
[21:30] <fdoving> but running 4.0.4 apps on 4.devel configs doesn't work that well :)
[21:31] <fdoving> i didn't expect it to work either, but i discovered the hard way :)
[22:19] <rohan> on hardy systems having hardy-backport enabled, qt is updated to 4.4, wheres pyqt is still 4.3.3. would that cause a problem? will hardy-backports update pyqt to 4.4
[22:41] <ScottK> pyqt 4.4 isn't out yet.
[22:42] <ScottK> It may.  There were some small 4.3.3/4.3.4 (IIRC) problems.
[22:44] <nixternal> yes it is
[22:44] <nixternal> I am building it now :)
[22:44] <nixternal> 4.7.5 for sip, and the new pyqt4.4
[22:45] <nixternal> ScottK: you already in Prague?
[22:45] <ScottK> No.  JUst about to leave for the airport.
[22:46] <nixternal> groovy
[22:46] <ScottK> Ah.  Cool then.
[22:47] <ScottK> re 4.4, etc.
[22:47] <ScottK> See you later.  Off to the airport.
[22:47] <nixternal> hrmm, sip will not build to save its life
[22:47] <nixternal> later
[22:47]  * nixternal goes to watch indy time trials
[22:47] <rohan> ScottK: pyqt 4.4 is out ;)
[22:47] <rohan> oh ok, nixternal coverd me already
[22:48] <rohan> nixternal: so the backports will have pyqt 4.4 some time, right? :)
[22:48] <rohan> you guys going to the airport for the UDS?
[22:49] <rohan> if so, enjoy you guys, and thanks for putting up one great release after the other :)