[00:03] <hawkeyex> ick
[00:03] <hawkeyex> how do I change GDM to KDM?
[00:03] <_CrashMaster_> !purekde
[00:04] <DaSkreech> _CrashMaster_: that's not what was asked
[00:04] <gnomefreak> hawkeyex: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[00:04] <gwp> does kubuntu support SLI? I am not sure how to tell if my cards are configures properly
[00:04] <_CrashMaster_> DaSkreech: He didnt want to change from gnome to kde?
[00:04] <gwp> configured
[00:04] <DaSkreech> no
[00:04] <DaSkreech> he wanted a different display manager
[00:05] <Daisuke_Ido> hawkeyex: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[00:05] <Daisuke_Ido> and i should really read :D
[00:05] <_CrashMaster_> DaSkreech: Then its back to the docs for me. I though G/KDM *was* the display manager
[00:06] <Daisuke_Ido> _CrashMaster_: gdm and kdm != gnoe and kde
[00:08] <hawkeyex> then what do I need to do?
[00:08] <Hawkeye-X> ok i ran dpkg reconfigure kde
[00:08] <Hawkeye-X> kdm
[00:08] <Hawkeye-X> but it still stays as gdm
[00:08] <Hawkeye-X> do I need to reboot?
[00:09] <gnomefreak> Hawkeye-X: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[00:09] <gnomefreak> no space
[00:09] <cnstarz> how do i change the font size within adept?
[00:09] <gnomefreak> it should bring up the dialog to choose it might choose it on its own in hardy i dont remember
[00:09] <Hawkeye-X> I did that
[00:10] <Hawkeye-X> then pops up with a screen giving me a choice - and I selected kdm
[00:10] <gnomefreak> Hawkeye-X: did it bring up the dialog?
[00:10] <Hawkeye-X> yes
[00:10] <gnomefreak> Hawkeye-X: ok give me a sec
[00:10] <Hawkeye-X> brb
[00:10] <Daisuke_Ido> Hawkeye-X: did you restart x?  you know that gdm and kdm are only x display managers that launch your desktop environment
[00:11] <Daisuke_Ido> just trying to cover all the bases
[00:11] <cnstarz> whenever i go into administrator mode, the font size for everything changes to 9...how do i change them to 4?
[00:11] <_x-X-x_> anyone know of anyway i can mount .bwi .bws .bwt files ?
[00:12] <Daisuke_Ido> blindwrite images?  no.
[00:12] <Hawkeye-X> yes. I restarted X (alt-control-backspace) right?
[00:12] <Daisuke_Ido> x-X-x: you might want to check out a program called acetoneiso
[00:12] <_x-X-x_> Daisuke_Ido is there a demonoid for ubuntu ?
[00:12] <_x-X-x_> i did
[00:12] <_x-X-x_> acetone didnt recognise it
[00:12] <Daisuke_Ido> _x-X-x_: then you're probably outta luck
[00:14] <gnomefreak> Hawkeye-X: try sudo update-alternatives --config kdm-config-derivative let me know if it lets you
[00:14] <Hawkeye-X> it says no alternatives
[00:15] <gnomefreak> Hawkeye-X: try with gdm instead of kdm let me know if it has kdm in the selections
[00:15]  * gnomefreak wonders why dpkg didnt change it
[00:15] <Hawkeye-X> ok
[00:15] <gnomefreak> Hawkeye-X: if that shows nothing please reboot the system not just X
[00:17] <francesco_> !it
[00:18] <hawkeyex> gnomefreak: still gdm
[00:19] <gnomefreak> hawkeyex: i would file a bug than dpkg-reconfigure should have done the trick
[00:19] <gnomefreak> thats why its there
[00:19] <hawkeyex> should I reinstall from scratch?
[00:19] <gnomefreak> hawkeyex: i dont remember the login screen config file but changing it there is another option
[00:19] <gnomefreak> hawkeyex: no
[00:19] <hawkeyex> ok
[00:19] <gnomefreak> hawkeyex: remove kde and reinstall it :)
[00:19] <gnomefreak> kdm not kde
[00:19] <gnomefreak> sorry
[00:21] <twinkie_addict> i tryed sudo adduser and it sead only one or names aloud
[00:21] <gnomefreak> cd /etc/gdm/
[00:21] <gnomefreak> oops
[00:21] <twinkie_addict> one or two names aloud sorry
[00:22] <twinkie_addict> for some reason adding user in kbuntu remix seems to be not working
[00:24] <azzco> Anyone else having problems connecting to msn?
[00:24] <Devourer> Why does it say "Manual page make(1) line 112/162 (END)" is the end when it is only at page 112 out of 162 in man pages?
[00:24] <gnomefreak> maybe a man(2)
[00:25] <cnstarz> kubuntu doesn't come with firefox?
[00:25] <gnomefreak> sorry man make2 or (2) i cant rmeember the context but you can get into the rest
[00:25] <gnomefreak> cnstarz: no
[00:25] <cnstarz> blehh
[00:25] <gnomefreak> cmkubuntu uses qt not gtk
[00:25] <gnomefreak> cnstarz: install it
[00:26] <gnomefreak> sudo apt-get install firefox-3.0
[00:26] <gnomefreak> or -2 or nothing
[00:26] <gnomefreak> hawkeyex: i found the file
[00:26] <hawkeyex> gnomefreak: what is it?
[00:26] <cnstarz> wow this font size is so gay
[00:26] <gnomefreak> hawkeyex: see if you have a /etc/kdm/kdm.conf
[00:26] <toens> when i'm in 'system settings', why are words cut off? it looks ugly
[00:27] <gnomefreak> hawkeyex: kde sometimes keeps their conf files in ~/.kde or something of the sort
[00:27] <toens> for example "Notificatio" next line "ns"
[00:27] <gnomefreak> toens: its wrapper
[00:27] <hawkeyex> I don't have kdm.conf
[00:27] <gnomefreak> Itaku: there used to be a way to turn wrappers off but never easy for gui
[00:27] <hawkeyex> and I'm in /etc/kde/kdm/
[00:27] <toens> yes, word wrap
[00:27] <hawkeyex> and there is kdm.options
[00:28] <hawkeyex> kde4 rather
[00:28] <aaroncampbell> On to my pressing problem: Kubuntu 8.04 doesn't seem to be launching the box to choose an action for my camera when it's plugged in by USB (like the option to transfer the pictures using digiKam).  Here are the System Log Lines: http://paste2.org/p/28662
[00:28] <gnomefreak> hawkeyex: you just want login to change right?
[00:28] <hawkeyex> no. i want the desktop back to kde
[00:28]  * gnomefreak so damn stupid tonight its friday im allowed :)
[00:28] <hawkeyex> login is kde style
[00:28] <gnomefreak> hawkeyex: you can choose that in login
[00:29] <hawkeyex> hm. let me try again
[00:29] <gnomefreak> hawkeyex: go to sessions
[00:29] <gnomefreak> and choose kde4 and make it default
[00:29] <toens> gnomefreak, so how would i toggle word wrap on/off?
[00:29] <gnomefreak> toens: in GUI i dont know for sure
[00:29] <Hammer89> ﻿﻿I need to export the display from one Ubuntu system to another... I tried issuing the "export DISPLAY=<ip address>:1.0" command in terminal... but it's not working... what am I doing wrong?
[00:29] <hawkeyex> there we go
[00:29] <hawkeyex> back to kde
[00:29] <gnomefreak> hawkeyex: if you go into sessions or options than sessions
[00:29] <gnomefreak> you can choose kde4 than make default
[00:30] <cnstarz> how do i install nvidia drivers?
[00:30] <gnomefreak> cnstarz: what card?
[00:30] <cnstarz> 8800gtx
[00:30] <gnomefreak> cmhardy?
[00:30] <hawkeyex> and back to the same problem.
[00:30] <gnomefreak> cnstarz: hardy?
[00:30] <cnstarz> if thats the latesst kubuntu, yes
[00:30] <hawkeyex> with the libtotem-parser10
[00:30] <gnomefreak> cnstarz: if its hardy dont install them
[00:30] <cnstarz> :o
[00:30] <gnomefreak> hawkeyex: still giving you an issue?
[00:31] <cnstarz> why not?
[00:31] <gnomefreak> hawkeyex: remove it
[00:31] <gnomefreak> cnstarz: its causing crashes in hardy but being worked on
[00:31] <cnstarz> oh ok
[00:31] <hawkeyex> ok. i'm going to reinstall totem again
[00:31] <gnomefreak> cnstarz: bug 212648
[00:31] <cnstarz> thanks
[00:32] <gnomefreak> cnstarz: that is the bug report and yes i have it in my head all the time :(
[00:32] <cnstarz> would you happen to know how to fix the font size on some of my apps?
[00:32] <cnstarz> for instance....
[00:32] <cnstarz> when i open adept
[00:32] <cnstarz> the font is HUGE
[00:32] <hawkeyex> grrr
[00:32] <hawkeyex> can't install totem
[00:32] <cnstarz> but everything else is fine
[00:32] <gnomefreak> cnstarz: that will change with the drivers but you may see X crashes
[00:32] <cnstarz> and firefox has huge fonts too
[00:32] <cnstarz> oh
[00:32] <gnomefreak> hawkeyex: remove the package
[00:33] <cnstarz> how long have they been working on the drivers?
[00:33] <gnomefreak> hawkeyex: and if you want gnome to go remove libgtk....
[00:33] <hawkeyex> I did.
[00:33] <hawkeyex> I don't want gnome
[00:33] <hawkeyex> http://www.pastebin.org/36473
[00:34] <gnomefreak> cnstarz: a while timo is working on them if you look at the bug at top you will see date it was filed and i gave it to timo :)
[00:34] <gwp> cross your fingers all im using wine to download and install world of warcraft
[00:34] <cnstarz> oh ok
[00:34] <gnomefreak> hawkeyex: remove it all example find the libgtk package and remove it
[00:34] <Skrible> Good evening.
[00:34]  * gnomefreak forgot something important 
[00:34] <Skrible> Is there any app in kate to find and replace a word with other one?
[00:36] <hawkeyex> fuck it. i'll just reinstall kubuntu and go from there.
[00:36] <hawkeyex> no major losses
[00:43] <toens> really, as trivial as it is, this word wrap thing is ugly
[00:44] <ryanc42> I keep having problems with the live cd reporting errors refering to squashfs... the check cd boot option says it's clean, any ideas?  I get this on two seperate CDs
[00:57] <ryanc42> do i need the alternitive cd to do root-on-LVM?
[00:58] <aaroncampbell> Kubuntu 8.04 doesn't seem to be launching the box to choose an action for my camera when it's plugged in by USB (like the option to transfer the pictures using digiKam).  Here are the System Log Lines: http://paste2.org/p/28662
[01:01] <lintaba> hy
[01:01] <lintaba> is here anybody?
[01:01] <word> aaroncampbell: sounds like it's not getting good drivers for it, so it doesn't know it can use it, so it doesn't give you an option to open it with anything...or can you open it manually?
[01:02] <aaroncampbell> word: I can open digicam, and transfer pictured from it
[01:02] <lintaba> i am a beginer in the linux, and i want to use my webcamera, can anybody help me?
[01:02] <word> lintaba: first make sure your webcam is compatible with linux, search around on google
[01:03] <lintaba> i found few thinks, example a sourceforge driver, but i cant download it:D
[01:03] <word> aaroncampbell: does it alert you when you put in other things? that little bit mighta just bugged out
[01:03] <lintaba> 0402:5602 ALi Corp https://sourceforge.net/projects/m560x-driver/
[01:03] <aaroncampbell> word: I went to camera->Add Camera, had it auto detect, it found the camera (Canon EOS 400D, the "Rebel XTi").  Now I just go to camera, choose that one, and if it's plugged in it works
[01:04] <word> but it doesn't notice when you plug it in and unplug it?
[01:04] <word> and did it ever?
[01:05] <aaroncampbell> word: not since the fresh install of Hardy
[01:06] <gwp> i downloaded a theme that usses KDFX I then downloaded KDFX and cant figure out what to do next. ANyone familiar with the application?
[01:06] <word> did it work in kde4?
[01:06] <BluesKaj> if you plugin USB connectors , the devices show up in the System menu/Storage Media
[01:06] <gwp> KBFX even
[01:06] <aaroncampbell> word: it doesn't offer the box for CD's or Memory Cards either ...I don't have a thumb drive here
[01:07] <word> aaroncampbell: did you try turning on the new device notifier plasmoid?
[01:07] <aaroncampbell> word: well, it must "notice" because the KSystemLog shows those lines I pasted
[01:07] <aaroncampbell> word: not sure what that is, so probably not ;)
[01:08] <word> aaroncampbell: yah but the bit that does the notifying might not be working correctly
[01:08] <aaroncampbell> word: what do I need to do?
[01:08] <word> go to the top right corner of your screen and turn on the recently plugged devices, not sure what it does i'm pretty new to kde4, but it might duplicate what you want it to do until they fix it
[01:08] <lintaba> word: my computer look the camera in the lsusb, but i cant found camera* in any directory
[01:09] <word> i dont think it treats it as a camera..more like a video input..pretty much the exact same as a tv tuner card..which sadly is easier to set up than a webcam :P
[01:09] <aaroncampbell> word: I'm not in KDE 4, and there is nothing in the top right of my screen
[01:10] <word> wow..i thought you said you werre..
[01:10] <word> lol :P
[01:11] <word> i have one contact in and one out, so my vision's kinda quirky ;p
[01:11] <lintaba> word sorry, i'm verry new in the world of linux, and i just learning the english... Have you any idea what can i do with my camera?
[01:11] <word> but um, if you're using kde3 it should be relatively stable as far as that function goes..it might just be the way the camera system is set up...you might be able to configure digikam to autolaunch when you plug in the device
[01:11] <aaroncampbell> Kubuntu 8.04, but not KDE 4.  Anyway, I have to run, so I guess I'll ask again later tonight.  If you know the solution, just PM it to me.  Thanks for your time
[01:12] <word> lintaba: what's your native language? there are seperate channels for differently languages if that'd be easier for you
[01:12] <aaroncampbell> word: again, NOTHING autolaunches when ANYTHING is inserted (CDs, usb, etc)
[01:12] <word> oh o.O
[01:12] <lintaba> hungarian
[01:13] <word> do you know the 2 letter abbreviation for that? like spanish is es, english is en?
[01:13] <Jucato> !hu
[01:13] <lintaba> hu-HU
[01:13] <word> aaroncampbell: i'll google around a bit
[01:13] <word> Jucato: thanks :P
[01:13]  * Jucato bows
[01:13] <gwp> what exactly is the "Kicker" its referred to in this how to
[01:13] <lintaba> thx, i look it
[01:13] <gwp> Its in reference to KDE
[01:13] <Jucato> gwp: Kicker is the KDE Panel
[01:14] <Jucato> (KDE 3 Panel)
[01:14] <word> kicker is the doo-dad at the bottom of your screen
[01:14] <gwp> Thank you all
[01:14] <gwp> I am to now add kbfx menu to it
[01:14] <Jucato> aaroncampbell: can you check System Settings -> Advanced tab -> Service Manager -> Startup services at the lower part, if KDED Media Manager is checked and running?
[01:15] <word> Jucato: he said he was leaving :-/ pm him if he doesn't answer
[01:15] <Jucato> oh ok... he can also read the backlog/logs :)
[01:17] <chalcedony> greetings
[01:17]  * chalcedony smiles
[01:18] <chalcedony>  i was logged in as another user (with admin priveleges) to do my upgrade  from feisty to hardy, using do-release-upgrade.) It asked for me to reboot, do i login as THAT user again and then what? or as me and how do i reload my data?
[01:21] <mr> i just installed kubuntu 7.10 on an old amd box and everything went very well except when i try to sut down the icon for shut down is missing. Not a big deal if anyone knows how to shut my box down w/o it, a shortcut command maybe?
[01:22] <chalcedony> mr control alt backspace
[01:22] <chalcedony> stops it cold
[01:22] <mr> an orderly shut down?
[01:22] <chalcedony> harder. i don't know that one
[01:23]  * chalcedony tries google
[01:24] <mr> any idea why i have hibernate, swith user etc. but no shut down icon
[01:24] <chalcedony> mr how to shut down ubuntu
[01:24] <chalcedony> google for that phrase
[01:24] <chalcedony>  i got a lot of hits
[01:24] <chalcedony> some might relate to your problem
[01:25] <daskreech> !hpfs
[01:25] <daskreech> :-P
[01:25] <mr> thx i will try it
[01:28] <o0Chris0o> whats the pakage name for kde4 desktop?
[01:29] <Odd-rationale> o0Chris0o: kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[01:29] <o0Chris0o> ty
[01:29] <inaety> Hello I am running 8.04 and kde 4.0.3.  and I lose cookie functionality in Konqueror after a period of time and the only way so far to fix it is to reboot or probably log off.  I am trying to update her to 4.0.4 but i am having issues with that too
[01:29] <o0Chris0o> !kde4
[01:29] <inaety> thanks o0Chris0o
[01:30] <o0Chris0o> :)
[01:30] <inaety> ha
[01:53] <gwp> what irc program is everyone using?
[01:53] <Odd-rationale> gwp: i really konversation
[01:53] <Odd-rationale> like
[01:54] <daskreech> !irc
[01:54] <daskreech> damn!
[01:55] <gwp> its not bad, does konversation use scripts?
[01:56] <robocop> can someone point me to a newish site for installing compiz-fusion please :)
[01:58] <Jucato> !compiz-fusion | robocop
[01:59] <jhutchins> robocop: Or the compiz website.
[02:01] <robocop> thanks.....what is the command to make kate work as root please........i forget :(
[02:01] <Jucato> kdesu kate
[02:02] <robocop> jucato thanks :)
[02:02] <inaety> o0Chris0o: they aren't answering me :/
[02:04] <o0Chris0o> sorry inaety
[02:04] <o0Chris0o> try idling in these channels
[02:04] <o0Chris0o> it becomes useful :)
[02:05] <cahuez> hiya to all and have a nice weekend..!
[02:06] <cahuez> need some help to locate> http://kubuntu.org/packages/libdvdcss-amd64.deb ..
[02:06] <inaety> so true
[02:06] <inaety> so true
[02:06] <cahuez> I upgraded to kubuntu 8.04 from 7.10 and before, kaffeine used to play well any dvd..!
[02:07] <daskreech> can someone give me the MD5SUM to 8.04 desktop i386 Cd ?
[02:08] <favro> !md5
[02:14] <b4l74z4r> how do i move around taskbar entries in kde 3.5?
[02:15] <daskreech> nooooo the md5sum matches :(
[02:16] <Dr_willis> b4l74z4r,  middle click i think to move items on thepanel
[02:17] <matt____> errorno 5 = read/write error, correct?
[02:17] <Hawkeye-X> Hey - I'm still having trouble with libtotem-plparser10
[02:17] <daskreech> matt____: no context ?
[02:17] <Hawkeye-X> and here's my pastebin
[02:17] <Hawkeye-X> http://www.pastebin.org/36489
[02:17] <daskreech> gwp: hey
[02:17] <Hawkeye-X> (and yes, I reinstalled the damned kubutnu)
[02:17] <matt____> daskreech: no context at all, but do you know the purpose of acpi?
[02:18] <daskreech> Hawkeye-X: get a blessed Kubuntu instead
[02:18] <Hawkeye-X> daskreech: I've had the priest bless the cd, what else do you want me to do?
[02:18]  * Hawkeye-X is Jewish
[02:20] <b4l74z4r> hmm, middle click didn't work
[02:20] <matt____> acpi, anyone?
[02:20] <matt____> what does acpi do/acount for?
[02:20] <daskreech> power
[02:21] <robocop> errmm that site for installing compiz on kubuntu 8.04 is a little out of date....stuff still there fior feisty!!
[02:22]  * Hawkeye-X pokes gnomefreak awake
[02:22] <Dr_willis> apt-get install the packages. and thats about all it needs.
[02:22] <Hawkeye-X> Dr_willis: you referring to me?
[02:22] <Hawkeye-X> I can't get it installed
[02:22] <Dr_willis> to robo. :)
[02:22] <Dr_willis> as  for Hawkeye-X  i dont mess with totem. :(
[02:23] <Hawkeye-X> what do you use for DVD player? :P
[02:23] <cahuez> kaffeine..!?
[02:23] <daskreech> dragonplayer
[02:24] <Dr_willis> gmplayer or vlc
[02:24] <Dr_willis> for all my video needs.
[02:25] <dbglt> is dragonplayer the only kde4 client?
[02:27] <daskreech> for now
[02:27] <robocop> #compiz....say the stuff on the site is wrong or outa date :(
[02:28] <daskreech> most likely
[02:28] <daskreech> and it is #compiz-fusion
[02:29] <robocop> daskreech, ....thats where Ive just been to.....theres something wrong with an update mirror
[02:30] <NickPresta> robocop, that sometimes happens (an update is broken). I would wait a couple of days and a new update should be available
[02:33] <robocop> NickPresta, hhmm.....ok....not good though is it....almost get the required updates and then it stalls because of a server being down....oh and the kubuntu instructions point to feisty and not heron!¬
[02:37] <kevman> I'm having an issue here.
[02:37] <kevman> Konqueror refuses to go to any websites. It says "could not connect to host."
[02:37] <kevman> But I can ping out and use apt. Its connected to the Internet.
[02:39] <daskreech> which websites ?
[02:39] <wirechief_intel> kevman did you try changing web browser id ?
[02:41] <robocop> If someone can please point me to a working site with instructions to install compiz-fusdsion of kubuntu 8.04 would be great....thanks :)
[02:41] <kevman> daskreech, all of them.
[02:41] <kevman> wirechief_intel, for google?
[02:42] <wirechief_intel> well, i know that konquer doesnt work google docs, and is not friendly to google
[02:42] <robocop> kevman.......just wondering...are you using a firewall at all?
[02:42] <kevman> Just an everyday router.
[02:42] <kevman> Its for all websites. All of them. Konqueror is not connected to the INternet, but everything else is.
[02:43] <daskreech> kevman: can you check if it has a proxy defined
[02:43] <robocop> kevman, i know whats wrong.....or i think i do.....its the settings from getting from the router to your isp thats the problem
[02:44] <wirechief_intel> kevman even here :http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg  ?
[02:44] <Jucato> robocop: shouldn't there be a Desktop Effects in  K Menu -> System?
[02:44] <kevman> Everywhwere.
[02:44] <kevman> robocop, why would that only affect konqueror on one machine?
[02:44] <robocop> jucato....yse should be....its there....but i want new compiz-fusion to work
[02:44] <Jucato> wirechief_intel: other way around. Google refuses to do anything to make their stuff work for Konqueror/KHTML
[02:45] <Jucato> robocop: and what do you mean by "new" compiz-fusion?
[02:45] <wirechief_intel> Jucato agrees
[02:45] <robocop> kevman.....its the router not allowing connections from it....from that machine
[02:45] <kevman> Then why would ping, Firefox, and adept work?
[02:45] <robocop> Jucato,  0.7.4/5
[02:46] <robocop> kevman...its saying you have a ping an internet connection......but like doesnt know what to do with it properly
[02:46] <Jucato> !info compiz
[02:46] <Jucato> robocop: it's already at 0.7.4
[02:46] <Jucato> if you want a newer version, you'll have to ask in #compiz-fusion because Ubuntu doesn't have updates yet
[02:47] <Jucato> you'll have to use their repositories
[02:47] <robocop> Jucato, .....but it doesnt work....ive folowed the instaructions at he site and its down...so the updates needed dont work
[02:47] <Jucato> how doesn't it work?
[02:47] <robocop> kevman....do you know how to log onto the router?
[02:48] <kevman> Yes
[02:48] <Jucato> (although you might get better help in #compiz-fusion)
[02:48] <console_jockey> I'm running kubuntu gutsy and I've have "unmet dependencies" when I running aptitude safe-upgrade.  Specifically: openssh-server: Depends: openssh-client (= 1:4.6p1-5ubuntu0.2) but 1:4.6p1-5ubuntu0.3 is installed.  How do I correct this issue?
[02:48] <kevman> I'm connected wirelessly, if that's any help.
[02:49] <console_jockey> s/running/run/
[02:49] <robocop> kevman, ....ok scroll down or even through the settings and you will see sometghing like this renew or get new ip addy.....that should get new ip for that machine and should open the ports for you to get on the net properly
[02:50] <robocop> kevman, .....then it could be a por signal to that pc
[02:50] <kevman> its not the connection.
[02:50] <wirechief_intel> kevman check this out http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=502247
[02:50] <daskreech> console_jockey: where did you get that one from?
[02:50] <kevman> the connection on the computer works PERFECTLY. Just not in konqueror.
[02:51] <wirechief_intel> kevman maybe in terminal sudo konqueror and then try to get to internet
[02:51] <kevman> Yeah, I'll try that.
[02:51] <Jucato> no no
[02:51] <Jucato> do not use "sudo" with a GUI app
[02:51] <Jucato> !kdesu
[02:51] <robocop> kevman, .........iof you use firefox......do you get to the websites?
[02:51] <Jucato> and do not go online as root (with sudo)
[02:51] <console_jockey> daskreech: where did I get the error message from?  aptitude safe-update following an aptitude upgrade
[02:51] <daskreech> kevman: did you check what I asked?
[02:52] <kevman> It woeks as root.
[02:52] <kevman> daskreech, that was the first thing I tried.
[02:52] <daskreech> console_jockey: No where did you get the package from ?
[02:52] <daskreech> kevman: then it's your konqueror settings
[02:52] <console_jockey> daskreech: ah, one moment. checcking sources.list
[02:52] <wirechief_intel> kevman there must be something with konqueror and your permissions but follow that thread i gave
[02:52] <daskreech> kevman: Move your konqueror setting dir to a new name
[02:53] <console_jockey> daskreech: not sure which repo has openssh but the general form for my sources.list is deb http://ftp.citylink.co.nz/ubuntu/ gutsy
[02:53] <kevman> daskreech, its a fresh install.
[02:53] <kevman> I installed it, rebooted, open konqueror. And nothing.
[02:54] <kevman> wirechief_intel, disabling cache worked.
[02:55] <wirechief_intel> kevman ok, i didnt think you had to do anything with your other stuff.
[02:55] <console_jockey> daskreech: running software-properties-gtk to find new mirror now.
[02:55] <daskreech> console_jockey: woah. where are those coming from? can you pastebin your source.list ?
[02:55] <wirechief_intel> kevman thank google ;)
[02:56] <console_jockey> daskreech: heh... new zealand would be my guess, and it was the fastest mirror the last time I ran software-properties-gtk.  I am running it again and will be sure to choose something a little more mainstream.... heh
[02:56] <wirechief_intel> kevman and using gui as root is a very bad idea but you had to see if you were going down the right road.
[02:58] <kevman> Yeah, I know. My main computer is actually a gentoo machine. This is for my mom...
[02:59] <wirechief_intel> kevman well im glad thats all you needed, i usuaully check for bugs with the symptom and of course google
[02:59] <kevman> I didn't really know what to query.
[02:59] <console_jockey> daskreech: I've gone ahead and changed the repo source and run aptitude update, but when I run aptitude upgrade I get the same error.  You think I should maybe remove openssh-* and reinstall them?
[03:00] <Alonea> the text install is only on the alternate disk?
[03:00] <daskreech> hi Alonea
[03:00] <daskreech> yes
[03:01] <daskreech> console_jockey: pastebin yoour sources
[03:01] <daskreech> !paste
[03:01] <wirechief_intel> kevman i used "konqueror cannot connect to  internet"
[03:01] <Alonea> daskreech: *curses* I cant get the graphical on e to work on this laptop that I am fixing for a friend. Its old and only has 384mb of ram
[03:01]  * wirechief_intel checks his trick bag for more tricks
[03:02] <dbglt> anyone updated to kde 4.0.4 by any chance?
[03:02] <console_jockey> daskreech: http://rafb.net/p/GZ7TUF41.html
[03:02] <kevman> "graphical on e"?
[03:02] <kevman> Text install is also on the dvd
[03:02] <daskreech> Alonea: That's what the text one is for
[03:02] <kevman> Someone told me the GUI install doesn't work well under 384meg of RAM. Issat true?
[03:03] <wirechief_intel> dbglt: yep, it is still experimental.
[03:03] <dbglt> wirechief_intel: oh yes, I know. I'm running 4.0.3. For some reason, my system won't update to 4.0.4, even though I have the correct repositories
[03:03] <wirechief_intel> kevman probably very close to being right on.
[03:04] <kevman> Strange.
[03:04] <wirechief_intel> dbglt: hmm well i got it on another machine but to be honest i havent bothered anymore with it.
[03:04] <Jucato> dbglt: I was told that there was a bug with that, even if you have 4.0.4 installed it still says 4.0.3 in About KDE
[03:04] <Jucato> dbglt: try asking in #kubuntu-kde4
[03:04] <dbglt> Jucato: ah, that could be it. I have, very little luck there
[03:04] <wirechief_intel> Jucato i heard the same
[03:05] <dbglt> on that note then, are there any repositories for the 4.1 alpha?
[03:05] <Alonea> daskreech: I just hate that they are separate. used to them being on same disk.
[03:05] <console_jockey> daskreech: any thoughts on my removing/reinstalling?
[03:05] <Jucato> dbglt: none yet
[03:05] <dbglt> Jucato, wirechief_intel: thanks for clearing that up, was a bit lost!
[03:06] <Alonea> daskreech: this will run on it right? (kde3 of course, not 4)
[03:06]  * wirechief_intel joins the lost 
[03:07] <wirechief_intel> dbglt just try to have fun with 3.5.9 youll have more excitement
[03:07] <daskreech> Alonea: yeah
[03:07] <daskreech> Jucato: took a peek at the rafb link ?
[03:08] <Jucato> no
[03:08] <daskreech> please do and tell me what you think
[03:08] <Hawkeye-X> could someone take a look at this vlc dev and tell me why my dvd player is not working?
[03:08] <Hawkeye-X> http://www.pastebin.org/36493
[03:08] <Alonea> daskreech: ok. good. thing is, he just wants this to browse the internet and maybe type up a couple things. His windows was virus ridden. *shudder*
[03:09] <_2> where does konqueror put "trash" ?   i'm having trouble removing what i can't find...
[03:09] <Jucato> _2: in the fd.o specified locations: ~/.local/share/Trash
[03:10] <Jucato> (info/ and files/)
[03:10] <_2> k
[03:10] <_2> ty
[03:10] <Alonea> daskreech: we both figured linux would be safer. and hopefully easier...
[03:11] <daskreech> Alonea: will make the computer feel faster too
[03:12] <wirechief_intel> _2  just add the applet with add Applet - kde panel
[03:12]  * Hawkeye-X twiddles
[03:12] <_2> applet ?   panel ?   im not using kde
[03:13] <wirechief_intel> _2  ? you using Ubuntu then ? with Gnome ? and your on a Kubuntu irc ...hmmm
[03:13] <console_jockey> daskreech: I take it you didn't find anything worth commenting on with my sources.list?
[03:13] <daskreech> Alonea: Best part?
[03:13] <Alonea> daskreech: ^__^. I am just glad he isn't computer illiterate.
[03:13] <daskreech> Alonea: two clicks and they can hang out with us!
[03:14] <_2> wirechief_intel no.
[03:14] <daskreech> Jucato: Peeked at it?
[03:14] <_2> wirechief_intel no gnome either
[03:14] <Jucato> wirechief_intel: you don't know _2 yet :)
[03:14] <Alonea> daskreech: ? er. irc or have they added something new? I haven't used kubuntu in a long while. slackware is what I moved to.
[03:14] <Jucato> daskreech: yes. what am I supposed to be looking for?
[03:14] <Jucato> (is that the sources.list pastebin?)
[03:14] <wirechief_intel> Jucato i guess not. ;)
[03:15] <Hawkeye-X> http://www.pastebin.org/36493 - could someone take a look and tell me why my dvd player is not working?
[03:15] <_2> who is it "nautilus" that uses ~/.Trash/  ?
[03:15] <Jucato> _2: yeah.. though I thought that also "linked" to the fd.o standard place... although I think KDE uses .Trash for removable devices too
[03:15] <Jucato> not clear on that one
[03:16] <Alonea> daskreech: er, what wifi cards are natively supported? I know the brand is intel.
[03:16] <_2> Jucato umm may have changed from dapper to now ?
[03:16] <Jucato> that I don't know... sorry
[03:16] <daskreech> Jucato: those are all valid server?
[03:16] <_2> k.  well thanks again, i'm back to work.
[03:16] <daskreech> +s
[03:17] <daskreech> Alonea: IRC :)
[03:17] <mot_> why is it that randomly when i boot up
[03:17] <mot_> the kicker program
[03:17] <daskreech> !wifi | Alonea
[03:17] <mot_> like the program that opens to run other programs when you hit alt+f2
[03:17] <mot_> won't open.
[03:17] <mot_> i go to kde menu -> run program
[03:17] <mot_> still won't open
[03:17] <mot_> what the hell?
[03:18] <daskreech> Jucato: I don't know how they got configured like that. I've never seen a sources.list like that before
[03:20] <Alonea> daskreech: thanks. looks like intel cards are generally supported natively. yay
[03:21] <_2> mot_ dcop communication problem ?
[03:22] <sneedley> ok. i need help can someone help me with twin view.
[03:24] <Broadcom> i cant fix my swap partition
[03:24] <sneedley> this is the one part of windows which worked a little better
[03:25] <Hawkeye-X> http://www.pastebin.org/36493 - could someone take a look and tell me why my dvd player is not working?
[03:25] <Hawkeye-X> pretty please with sugar on top?
[03:28] <_2> Broadcom sudo swapoff -a ;sudo mkswap /dev/"partition_device" ;swapon /dev/"same_device"
[03:28] <_2> sudo that last one too ^
[03:29] <wirechief_intel> Hawkeye-X not sure this link will be of help http://digg.com/linux_unix/Linux_101_Enable_DVD_Playback_in_Ubuntu_in_Two_Commands
[03:30] <Broadcom> _2: Setting up swapspace version 1, size = 1689722 kB
[03:30] <Broadcom> no label, UUID=de28611d-9217-4073-ad95-c862e5666aa0
[03:30] <Broadcom> swapon: /dev/hda4: Operation not permitted
[03:30] <_2> sudo that last one too ^   <<<repeting
[03:30] <Broadcom> _2: what do you mean?
[03:30] <Broadcom> ok, ok
[03:31] <Broadcom> _2 swapoff: cannot canonicalize /dev/disk/by-uuid/\x2fdev\x2fhda4: No such file or directory
[03:31] <Broadcom> Setting up swapspace version 1, size = 1689722 kB
[03:31] <Broadcom> no label, UUID=f1aeec54-b3aa-43c9-939a-6d2c19376d42
[03:33] <_2> Broadcom sudo swapoff -a ;sudo mkswap /dev/"partition_device" ;sudo swapon /dev/"same_device"   <<< is it so dificult to add the "sudo to that last command" or do you not know that ";" seperates commands ?
[03:33] <Broadcom> _2: i did
[03:34]  * _2 is too busy for all this.  sorry.
[03:34] <Broadcom> can anybody else help?
[03:35] <_CrashMaster_> Sorry man, thats way above my head
[03:37] <wirechief_intel> Hawkeye-X  wodim --devices   and also man wodim for more
[03:37] <FroggyTheGreat> !shockwabe
[03:37] <FroggyTheGreat> !shockwave
[03:38] <Broadcom> anybody else know how to fix a swap partition?
[03:38] <Broadcom> would it be diffrent in ubuntu?
[03:41] <wirechief_intel>  Broadcom why do you want to "fix' your swap ?
[03:42] <Agent_bob> ok did the guy get his swap space setup ?
[03:42] <wirechief_intel> i dunno was that Broadcom ?
[03:42] <Agent_bob> Broadcom ?
[03:42] <Agent_bob> yes
[03:43] <Agent_bob> < _2
[03:43] <wirechief_intel> well he said something about fixing it, not sure what he was doing.
[03:43] <gwp> anyone know how to get KBFX to work
[03:43] <gwp> im trying to spruce up my desktop
[03:44] <Broadcom> wirechief_intel: sorry, kuubntu keeps freezing, i discovered that the swap was not working
[03:44] <Agent_bob> i hate to leave anyone hanging like that, but some times work comes first...   (albeit not often in my case)
[03:44] <Agent_bob> Broadcom how much ram do you have ?
[03:44] <Agent_bob> and how did you determine that the swap was not working?
[03:44] <Broadcom> im not sure, how do i check? sorry, i jost got this from sombody
[03:45] <Agent_bob> cat /proc/swaps
[03:45] <Broadcom> Agent_bob: i would give you a link, but if i open firefox, it crashes
[03:45] <wirechief_intel> also try using free
[03:45] <Broadcom> i did $ free | grep Swap and it printed 0        0         0
[03:46] <Agent_bob> Broadcom ok that's normal for a non-mounted swapfs   did you run the command that   _2 gave you ?
[03:46] <Broadcom> agent bob, yes, and it gave me errors, hold on while i find them
[03:47] <Broadcom> swapoff: cannot canonicalize /dev/disk/by-uuid/\x2fdev\x2fhda4: No such file or directory
[03:47] <Broadcom> Setting up swapspace version 1, size = 1689722 kB
[03:47] <Broadcom> no label, UUID=3678d16d-7995-4bf2-9f95-b13675b23a86
[03:47] <Agent_bob> commands  there were three of them in one string.
[03:47] <Agent_bob> ok that's not errors...
[03:47] <Broadcom> no label??
[03:47] <Agent_bob> swap wasn't on so it couldn't turn it off.
[03:48] <Agent_bob> nothing wrong with that.
[03:48] <Broadcom> Agent_bob: there were two in a string
[03:48] <Broadcom> sudo swapoff -a ;sudo mkswap /dev/hda4 ;sudo swapon /dev/hda4
[03:48] <Broadcom> should it be working now?
[03:48] <Agent_bob> two ?    two what ?       that's three commands.
[03:48] <Broadcom> Agent_bob: oh, i see, nevermind
[03:49] <Agent_bob> Broadcom and yes it could.      free -m   to see
[03:49] <Broadcom> Agent_bob: thanks a lot, it works now
[03:49] <Agent_bob> yeah    welcome.
[03:50] <Agent_bob> ok now back to work...
[03:50] <Pramod> anyone knows how can i use the apt-to-cd application?
[03:50] <Pramod> where can i get it?
[03:50] <wirechief_intel> aptoncd
[03:51] <Pramod> teah
[03:51] <Pramod> yeah
[03:51] <Pramod> where can i get that?
[03:51] <wirechief_intel> google but it might be in repo
[03:51] <wirechief_intel> try in a terminal apt-get install aptoncd  see what happens.
[03:52] <Pramod> ok thank you... :)
[03:52] <wirechief_intel> Pramod are you using ubuntu or Kubuntu
[03:52] <wirechief_intel> aptoncd is for gnome
[03:52] <Pramod> well i am usung kubuntu... but i want to transit to ubuntu... :)
[03:53] <wirechief_intel> not sure it will work in kubuntu
[03:53] <Pramod> ok
[03:53] <Pramod> well got any suggestion for kubuntu?
[03:53] <wirechief_intel> pramod but there are web sites for cloning.
[03:53] <wirechief_intel> just google it, cloning kubuntu
[03:53] <Pramod> ok thanks...
[03:54] <Pramod> i try it
[03:54] <flaccid> cloning?
[03:54] <billyd> What are you trying to clone
[03:54] <wirechief_intel> there are programs for that, at least there were under 7.04
[03:54] <Pramod> cloning kubuntu...
[03:55] <billyd> Like cloning a HD with kubuntu on it?
[03:55] <wirechief_intel> something different than partimage
[03:55] <_CrashMaster_> ubunutu are kubuntu the same thing, with the exception of the desktop manager.... right?
[03:55] <wirechief_intel> i used it a couple of times when i had two installs of 7.04 and wanted to keep them in sync
[03:56] <flaccid> _CrashMaster_: mainly yes
[03:56] <flaccid> what do you mean by cloning?
[03:57] <wirechief_intel> CrashMaster well there are lots of gome programs that will muck up a good kde based install.
[03:57] <billyd> Pramod - if you are trying to get stuff on a HD to another HD as a clone, regardless of what is onthe disk look at g4u  Think website might be www.g4u.com - or google it
[03:57] <wirechief_intel> best to stay away from em.
[03:57] <flaccid> wirechief_intel: like?
[03:57] <flaccid> when you say clone, do you mean disk image?
[03:57] <Pramod> well
[03:58] <wirechief_intel> flaccid: i dont mix em i can tell you that much.
[03:58] <flaccid> i do :)
[03:58] <billyd> g4u will make a clone to another disk of same or greater size - regardless of format
[03:58] <wirechief_intel> flaccid: well fine, live on the edge. thats your fun rights.
[03:58] <Pramod> i want to save all the cache in the apt so that when i format my disk i can use them from the cd instead of downloading them...
[03:59] <wirechief_intel> with my distro the developer refuses to do anything with gnome, and will never.
[03:59] <flaccid> wirechief_intel: ubuntu is designed so things like this are not a problem, if you do run into something that conflicts thats what !bugs are for :)
[04:00] <wirechief_intel> flaccid: yep your right i guess thats why so many people are looking for help on #ubuntu channel
[04:00] <Nodlew> hey guys.. I just finished an install of kubuntu 8.04, rebooted, and I'm stuck at a grub prompt... I'm lost, can anybody help?
[04:01] <Alonea> daskreech: ya know, the install screen is very screwy looking...lots of flickering and black lines
[04:01] <flaccid> wirechief_intel: well a lot of us think that kde has a better dependency tree - easier to install/compile etc. i tend to agree
[04:01] <flaccid> Nodlew: the actual grub prompt? did it say anything just before that eg. errrs?
[04:02] <wirechief_intel> flaccid: i prefer it. but like to test others.
[04:02] <Nodlew> flaccid:  No erros.. just dropped me at a grub prompt.. same thing after 3 re-installs... fedora 9 installed with no problems
[04:02] <Pramod> #ubuntu
[04:02] <flaccid> Nodlew: is this the standard desktop cd install?
[04:03] <daskreech> Alonea: What video card?
[04:03] <Nodlew> flaccid:  kubuntu 8.04 dvd
[04:04] <wirechief_intel> well time to catch the train see ya.
[04:04] <flaccid> Nodlew: not much to go on. i guess you could try the alternate cd but they may have the same result
[04:04] <flaccid> ciao
[04:05] <Alonea> daskreech: I have no earthly idea. laptop is old.
[04:05] <Nodlew> I really don't want to goto another distro... there has to be something I can do.. manually install grub or lilo or something?
[04:06] <flaccid> Nodlew: ok try reinstalling grub and if that fails i guess try alternate cd
[04:06] <flaccid> !grub
[04:06] <flaccid> first link
[04:07] <daskreech> Alonea: can you see?
[04:07] <Nodlew> there is a fasttrack scsi adaptor in the system that I think is somehow confusing things.. but the drive that I'm installing on is on that controller
[04:08] <Alonea> daskreech: yeah. I can read it alright. its just the entire screen has diagonal black marks over it and the window in the middle is a bit transparent looking.
[04:08] <Pramod> want help about kubuntu kde4...
[04:08] <_CrashMaster_> y
[04:08] <Pramod> where should i look?
[04:09] <flaccid> !kde4 | Pramod
[04:10] <Pramod> thanks flaccid thanks ubottu... :P
[04:10] <Alonea> Nodlew: have you tried messing with the boot options? like, taking off the splash option if its on there. I think I remember I had some problems and taking that off helped.
[04:10] <Alonea> Nodlew: its been a while since I have used Kubuntu. I moved distros.
[04:10] <flaccid> np
[04:11] <flaccid> Jucato: hey mate you there
[04:11] <Nodlew> Alonea:  I'm rebooting from the dvd now to see if I can get back to the filesystem... if I'm just getting the grub prompt.. would it likely be even reading grub.conf... or just getting to the mbr?
[04:11] <Jucato> yeah
[04:11] <Jucato> flaccid: yeah
[04:12] <Alonea> Nodlew: so, to make sure I get you, it loads the grub screen and...stops? doesn't try to load an os?
[04:12] <flaccid> Jucato: i think we just need to change the !kde4 factoid to say 4.0.4 in both instances
[04:13] <Nodlew> Alonea:  Doesn't try to load the OS at all.. just drops at a grub screen.. same prompt you'd get if you ran "grub" from a console on a live system
[04:13] <Jucato> flaccid: I just removed the 2nd instance to make updating it easier
[04:14] <flaccid> sweet Jucato
[04:14] <Alonea> Nodlew: not sure, but sounds like grub isn't configured correctly. Are you just installing linux, or are you dual booting? do you have multiple hdds?
[04:15] <daskreech> !kde4
[04:15] <daskreech> Ah
[04:15] <daskreech> Latest packages ?
[04:15] <Nodlew> Alonea:  There are multiple HDD's... not trying to multiboot
[04:15] <Alonea> Nodlew: ok. are you installing on first hdd?
[04:16] <Nodlew> there is onboard raid controller, but the disk array currently isn't configured, so I'm not sure how it's being detected
[04:16] <Nodlew> the drive I installed on is a scsi drive on a separate controller
[04:17] <Alonea> Nodlew: have no experience there. I do know that the config is going to look for grub on the first hdd and then look for instructions on where linux is installed, which can be anywhere.
[04:17] <Alonea> lemme find some instructions real quick for how to config grub.
[04:18] <Nodlew> Alonea:  thaks, much appreciated
[04:19] <flaccid> Jucato: #kubuntu-kde4 please :)
[04:22] <Alonea> Nodlew: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224351, try that.
[04:22] <Alonea> Nodlew: hopefully that will fix it.
[04:22] <Alonea> daskreech: gods this is taking ages to install.
[04:22] <Nodlew> Alonea:  Thanks.. taking a look now
[04:23] <Alonea> Nodlew: there was another page I used to use, but this is the same instructions pretty much
[04:31] <daskreech> Alonea: With slow computers I normally pull out the network cable
[04:31] <daskreech> otherwise it will try and download all the updates from the net
[04:32] <daskreech>  I'd ratehr do that once the machine is up and running so I can do other stuff
[04:32] <Nodlew> Alonea:  So I followed the instructions.. it found the stage1 file, wrote the mbr, but when I rebooted, I still got the grub shell
[04:37] <Alonea> daskreech: it finally finished.
[04:38] <Alonea> Nodlew: I honestly don't know whats wrong. If its funky drivers or a messed up config, a picky config, or what.
[04:38] <Nodlew> I just don't get it why Fedora installs with no problem...
[04:41] <daskreech> blessedbeef!
[04:42] <daskreech> Alonea: What is it doing?
[04:42] <daskreech> hi Jucato
[04:42] <daskreech> Alonea: oh wait' that's someone else's problem :)
[04:43] <Chrysalis> my fonts are all messed up in konqueror. . . if i set the size right on one page they get messed up in another. . . isnt there a setting to let the site chose its own font?
[04:43] <Chrysalis> like, i can barely read google search results and newegg is like size 15 or so
[04:59] <gwp> I installed wine and then world of warcraft the game ran fine, then I installed burning crusade and now it crashes at the screen to accept the ToS, anyone know a fix?
[05:10]  * ASUS-tek good morning to every one in south Asia and visversa to the ROW
[05:12] <Alonea> daskreech: ok, I can't get firefox to work. It tries to load for a bit then just goes off. konqueror works fine.
[05:12] <daskreech> Alonea: Run it from command line
[05:12] <daskreech>  if it's FF2 10 bits to one crouton that it's running out of memory
[05:14] <Alonea> daskreech: ok. to see if there is an error?
[05:14] <daskreech> Alonea: Yup yup
[05:15] <kette> q es esto????
[05:15] <daskreech> !es
[05:15] <Alonea> ! not installed...eh? dude, I downloaded it and all you have to do is load the file right?
[05:15] <daskreech> Alonea: What?
[05:16] <Alonea> hang on
[05:16] <daskreech> Alonea: alt+space -> type Adept -> press enter
[05:19] <Alonea> daskreech: ok, I figured it out. I am an idiot.
[05:20] <daskreech> Here's your sign
[05:20] <Alonea> daskreech: was in wrong folder and had a requirement issue. ^^;;;
[05:20] <daskreech> Alonea: Seriously. what are you doing?
[05:22] <Alonea> daskreech: I have barely slept this week. I got it figured out. it works now. its allll good. and I installed firefox manually cause the adept one didnt work and now I know why the adept one didn't work, but still prefer manually installing certain things.
[05:23] <daskreech> Alonea: Ha ha good luck :)
[05:23] <daskreech> adminstration nightmare :)
[05:23]  * daskreech hugs Alonea 
[05:23] <daskreech> get some sleep
[05:23] <Alonea> daskreech: well, he said as long as browser works and he can connect to internet, he could care less.
[05:23] <daskreech> technically he couldn't care less
[05:23] <daskreech> but english nazi's get kicked here
[05:24] <Alonea> daskreech: this isn't his main computer. pretty much a device he uses on trips for email since he hates cell phones.
[05:24] <Alonea> daskreech: his main is a nice pretty new imac.
[05:24] <daskreech> ooooh linuxify that :)
[05:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> anyone alive that's good with networking issues?  i cannot seem to connect to the net with a static ip, but getting a dynamic ip from the router works.
[05:24] <Alonea> daskreech: if I get to touch it...^__^
[05:25] <Alonea> well, daskreech , I am going to attempt to knock myself out, even if I have to resort to drugging myself.
[05:26] <Alonea> night all
[05:50] <Fungyo> anyone tried the new amarok 2 nightly build with kubuntu hardy ? i have no sound
[06:00] <lookin_kubu> linux newborn here
[06:00] <daskreech> welcome
[06:00] <lookin_kubu> can someone tell me how to switch between admin and user?
[06:01] <daskreech> lookin_kubu: Sorry What do you mean?
[06:01] <lookin_kubu> thanks you for the welcome!
[06:02] <lookin_kubu> to log off as admin, and login as user, or visa-versa
[06:02] <Jucato> !root | lookin_kubu
[06:03] <daskreech> lookin_kubu: no need to
[06:03] <daskreech> lookin_kubu: You can be user all the time and be admin on the fly
[06:03] <daskreech> and for a very specific task
[06:04] <lookin_kubu> tks!
[06:04] <lookin_kubu> lots to learn :)
[06:07] <daskreech> lookin_kubu: hang around We are cool and informative
[06:07] <daskreech> Like PSA in the 80's
[06:08] <daskreech> lookin_kubu: Anythign else that has a burning void of konwledge ?
[06:10] <lookin_kubu> not ATM, 1 thing at a time :)
[06:12] <kite> ?
[06:13] <Fungyo> lookin_kubu: FYI root can be enabled. If that is what you prefer
[06:14] <daskreech> Wow kite was profound :)
[06:14] <daskreech> Fungyo: He doesn't know root he knows admin
[06:14] <daskreech> don't go confusing him
[06:14] <daskreech> assuming lookin_kubu is a him :)
[06:15] <Fungyo> yeah.. my bad sorry - root = admin
[06:15] <daskreech> root = superadmin! :)
[06:15] <daskreech> Phear me phor I am Root!
[06:21] <ibun2> 299 people
[06:22] <ibun2> not a whole lot to say
[06:22] <ibun2> friday...so ronery...
[06:31] <lookin_kubu> ok I dumb
[06:37] <lookin_kubu> I need to log on as admin, extract a package in /usr/local/
[06:37] <flaccid> !root | lookin_kubu
[06:37] <flaccid> default user is admin - use sudo
[06:37] <lookin_kubu> I read the rootsudo, and still don't understand how to just login as admin
[06:38] <lookin_kubu> so sudo chown bob:bob /home/bob/* , get me admin?
[06:40] <Fungyo> lookin_kubu: no... "sudo -s -H" no quotes, will log you in as an admin
[06:41] <Fungyo> chown changes ownership of files or directories(folders)
[06:42] <Fungyo> your home folder and files "/home/bob" should already be owned by you
[06:42] <lookin_kubu> yes
[06:42] <lookin_kubu> tks
[06:43] <lookin_kubu> read the who thing and could'nt find it :)
[06:44] <Fungyo> if you do the sudo -s -H be careful not to play around in your home folder as writing or modifying folders/files will then be owned by root and not your normal login account eg. bob
[06:44] <coder2> Hello
[06:45] <Fungyo> if that happens you can then do the chown bob:bob on that file/folder to change ownership back
[06:45] <lookin_kubu> ?
[06:46] <lookin_kubu> I am lost then, how am I supposed to extract a downloaded file in my /home/bob/ to the /usr/local , if I cannot touch home/bob/?
[06:47] <lookin_kubu> ark would not do it anyways
[06:47] <lookin_kubu> said I still have no permission
[06:48] <lookin_kubu> Konsole shows root@bob#
[06:48] <Fungyo> what is the file name of the downloaded file
[06:49] <mauro> i have no sound in my computer
[06:49] <coder2> Please help me with skype. Microphone does not work. I can't understand input connector names which skype shows to me and kmix interface like spaceship control panel. My soundcard is Audigy 4. I've tried each connector but no success. The same problem with on-board Realtek....
[06:49] <lookin_kubu> crosstools2.tar.gz
[06:50] <mauro> can somebody hel me?
[06:51] <Fungyo> lookin_kubu: type "exit" always no quotes from now on btw. this will bring you back to your normal login
[06:52] <Fungyo> lookin_kubu: "sudo tar -xzvf crosstools2.tar.gz /usr/local"
[06:53] <coder2> Is there any human-friendly mixer for kubuntu? kmix shows much more weird labeled sliders than physically present inputs on the soundcard.
[06:54] <Agent_bob> alsamixer
[06:55] <lookin_kubu> tks Fungyo !
[06:55] <Fungyo> no worries, glad to help
[06:56] <coder2> It even much more complicated. There are about 30 sliders shown on the alsa mixer panel. Do you really think that the alsamixer is more user-friendly?
[06:57] <Agent_bob> it lets you do what you want to do,   as far as controlling audio    so yes.
[06:57] <Agent_bob> configure it.
[06:57] <Agent_bob> for that matter configure kmix
[06:57] <coder2> I want to know which button to push to get my skype working.
[06:57] <Fungyo> lookin_kubu: basically "sudo" is all you should need to do simple admin tasks
[06:58] <mauro> i have no sound in my computer
[06:58] <mauro> can somebody help me?
[06:58] <Agent_bob> what: do you think that "default"  is supposed to be "perfect for everybody"   heck it's not even acceptable to most...
[06:58] <coder2> Agent_bob: I do not want to argue. I just need help.
[06:59] <Agent_bob> !skype | coder2
[06:59] <Fungyo> lookin_kubu: it's better to add "sudo" to the beginning of a command, rather than logging in as root(admin)
[06:59] <Agent_bob> the howto might help
[06:59] <coder2> Agent_bob: Thanks.
[07:00] <Agent_bob> i did say might.
[07:02] <Agent_bob> looks like i'm going to have to rm /var/lib/apt /var/lib/dpkg    to ever get this thing the way i want it...
[07:04] <coder2> Agen_bob: The problwm is: I don't know which input in skype corresponds a slider in kmix. Why kmix has two sets of sliders: one for outputs and another for inputs. Why each of them shows two mics, 2 aux sliders, PC-speaker, etc. My soundcard even don't have such connectors onboard...
[07:06] <coder2> And I can't understand dependency rule of "red LEDs"
[07:06] <coder2> It looks like a puzzle
[07:08] <mauro> i have no sound in my computer
[07:08] <mauro> can somebody help me?
[07:11] <c1|freaky> my microphone isnt working. ive a got a really new pc
[07:11] <c1|freaky> Sysinfo for 'loopy': Linux 2.6.24-17-generic running KDE 3.5.9, CPU: Intel(R)Core2QuadCPUQ6600@2.40GHz at 1603 MHz (4788 bogomips), , RAM: 1407/3042MB, 134 proc's, 7.57h up
[07:12] <c1|freaky> its a realtek chipset. realtek high definition audio
[07:14] <c1|freaky> can someone help me getting it workingß
[07:14] <brian_> hey all
[07:14] <brian_> i nearly got wpa working
[07:15] <Agent_bob> if no one here is able to come to the phone, you can leave a message in one of the other channels   #ubuntu   ##linuxhelp   ##linux   #alsa    < any of those might have active help at this time
[07:16] <brian_> why is it that kubuntu doesnt install an example wpa_supplicant.conf example file anywhere?
[07:16] <Agent_bob> i can't do any good here because of server load.  lagging right now.
[07:18] <mauro> how can enable alsaa in kubuntu 8.04
[07:18] <mauro> how do I enable ALSA in kubuntu 8.04?
[07:18] <ferhat> hi i have sound problem
[07:19] <Agent_bob> !patience
[07:19] <mauro> I HAVE A SOUND PROBLEM
[07:19] <ferhat> alsa conf is not running
[07:19] <ferhat> Usage: /sbin/alsa {unload|reload|force-unload|force-reload|suspend|resume}
[07:26] <ferhat> pls somebody help me :(
[07:27] <mauro> alsamixer is not working
[07:33] <ferhat> my problem sbin/alsa {unload|reload|force-unload|force-reload|suspend|resume}
[07:36] <level1> is there a kubuntu 8.04 bittorent?  I can only find a torrent for the dvd, not the cd
[07:44] <buyaka> how do i move an existing ubuntu installation to kubuntu?
[07:44] <intelikey> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:45] <intelikey> !purekde | buyaka
[07:45] <buyaka> thx
[07:45] <intelikey> np
[07:47] <harolddong> what's the deal? video playback in hardy?  It seems to be a little more system intensive than feisty or gutsy were... especially for hd video.  I can't even really comfortably play anything above 480p without lag and I never had a problem before
[07:50] <kamil> hejka
[07:50] <Agent_bob> idk.    i know that dapper is usable on a p1 100mhz with 64m ram and 610m hdd    i tried it... :)
[07:51] <Agent_bob> actually it works quite well on that box...
[08:03] <holycow> hey guys
[08:03] <holycow> what is the ubuntu kernel channel?
[08:03] <holycow> nm
[08:04] <kavit> hi all, I have a nvidia card and I am using TwinView (Xinerama) to use two monitors. I added a new panel to the second screen. I however found that I couldnt add a system tray to the second panel. Does anyone know if I can have 2 system trays running on the same Xinerama session
[08:04] <kavit> ?
[08:06] <Agent_bob> kavit i don't think you can,  not without some heavy tweekin'
[08:06] <kavit> Agent_bob: i thought so
[08:06] <holycow> xinerama?
[08:06] <holycow> uh
[08:06] <holycow> xinerama is different from twinview
[08:06] <holycow> either you are using twinview or xinerama
[08:06] <holycow> if its twinview its fully ogl capableon all monitors, you can put a panel anywhere
[08:07] <holycow> twinview in general unfortunately is a bit lacking tho
[08:07] <Blissex> holycow: sort of -- TwinView also provides Xinerama emulation.
[08:07] <holycow> okay right
[08:07] <kavit> holycow: nvidia-settings says Twinview is enabled, kde desktop pref says Xinerama is on
[08:07] <kavit> holycow: i have a second panel... I just want to add a system tray to that second panel
[08:08] <holycow> system tray? you can have as many as you want
[08:08] <holycow> what error are you getting?
[08:08] <Blissex> Xinerama is both an implementations and a protocol. As a protocol it allows application to figure out that what looks like a single screen is divided into ''regions'' which are sub-screens.
[08:08] <holycow> it renders on one moni and not the other?
[08:08] <Agent_bob> holycow you can have multiple systrays ?
[08:08] <kavit> holycow: the applet doesn't show up in the Add Applet menu
[08:08] <kavit> holycow: i dont mind going into .kde/ and editing stuff by hand
[08:09] <kavit> holycow: i just wanted to know if there was an easier way
[08:09] <holycow> oh wait you are using kde
[08:09] <kavit> aye... hence kubuntu :P
[08:09] <holycow> lol sorry i'm a bit slow today :)
[08:09] <holycow> so what you can't add a systray applet?
[08:10] <kavit> holycow: sacred bovines are not supposed to be quick
[08:10] <holycow> lol, its not that my mind is on the topic of whether or not th eintel 5100 chipset is supported
[08:11] <kavit> holycow: nope
[08:11] <kavit> holycow: nope to systray not showing up
[08:11] <kavit> holycow: I have no idea about the chipset
[08:11] <holycow> does it render on one screen but not other?
[08:11] <holycow> does a single systray render?
[08:11] <holycow> or you are trying to get multiple ones running?
[08:12] <kavit> holycow: trying to get multiple ones running
[08:12] <kavit> holycow: compiz and emerald are running nicely
[08:12] <kavit> holycow: everything else works but the system tray
[08:13] <kavit> holycow: might go gnome... this otherwise small annoyance is a very big deal for me
[08:13] <holycow> kavit i'd haveto dig a little bit to find out, but unfortunately i don't have time
[08:13] <holycow> i'm sorry
[08:13] <holycow> multiple system trays?
[08:13] <holycow> personally i find them mostly useless
[08:13] <holycow> i think the concept of a system tray needs to be rethought
[08:13] <kavit> holycow: it's all good, i can do my own digging, thanks for trying anyway
[08:13] <Agent_bob> all i have ever done with a system tray is remove them.
[08:13] <holycow> sorry bro :/
[08:14] <holycow> no quick answer
[08:14] <kavit> well until something stable comes along to replace the system tray
[08:14] <kavit> i guess i will keep using it
[08:15]  * Agent_bob doesn't much care for systrays panels or bars
[08:16] <kavit> Agent_bob: heh i used to be like that on Solaris... i guess now I just like glitzy IDEs and desktop apps
[08:16] <mauro> join #ubuntu
[08:19] <freakabcd> hi all
[08:19] <Agent_bob> ^
[08:19] <freakabcd> i have downloaded the kubuntu hardy kde4 remix iso
[08:19] <freakabcd> i have loop mounted this on /tmp/koobuntu
[08:19] <freakabcd> i added this line to /etc/apt/sources.list: deb file:/tmp/koobuntu/ hardy main restricted
[08:20] <freakabcd> then when i do a reload (apt-get update) in synaptic, then click on 'Origin'
[08:20] <freakabcd> it doesn't show /tmp/koobuntu as a possible source for packages
[08:20] <Agent_bob> ummm isn't it two slashes ?   file:// <
[08:21] <freakabcd> actually it should be 3 slashes: file:// then the path /tmp/koobuntu
[08:21] <freakabcd> i tried all methods, but none of them work
[08:21] <Agent_bob> hmm you updated the database ?
[08:21] <Agent_bob> apt-get update ?
[08:21] <freakabcd> Agent_bob, actually there is an error, i will show you
[08:22] <Agent_bob> !paste
[08:24]  * Agent_bob waits to be shown ...
[08:25] <freakabcd> err.. now it doesn;t show any error
[08:25] <freakabcd> on console when doing apt-get update it always ignores
[08:25] <freakabcd> Get:2 file: hardy Release [1777B]
[08:25] <freakabcd> Ign file: hardy/main Packages
[08:25] <freakabcd> Ign file: hardy/restricted Packages
[08:25] <freakabcd> sorry for the whitespace
[08:26] <Agent_bob> freakabcd ls /tmp/koobuntu   make sure that hardy is a dir there
[08:27] <freakabcd> root@mobile:/tmp# ls /tmp/koobuntu/
[08:27] <freakabcd> autorun.inf  dists    isolinux    pics  preseed             ubuntu     wubi.exe
[08:27] <freakabcd> casper       install  md5sum.txt  pool  README.diskdefines  umenu.exe
[08:27] <Agent_bob> casper ?    liveCD ?
[08:29] <Agent_bob> is the pool dirrectory full of the .deb files you want ?     you could copy them to /var/cache/apt/archives/   and install the meta package from there...
[08:29] <Agent_bob> not the "*buntu" way though
[08:29] <Agent_bob> more the _bob way...
[08:30] <Agent_bob> it's 'em bob way again..
[08:31] <Agent_bob> freakabcd ok apt seems to always ignore local lists on update   maybe you need to use something like the apt-cdrom tool to add that ?
[08:32] <Agent_bob> or apt-file ?
[08:32] <Agent_bob> !apt-file
[08:32] <Agent_bob> no not apt-file
[08:32] <Agent_bob> !apt-zip
[08:33] <Agent_bob> !info apt-zip
[08:33] <Agent_bob> !info apt-move
[08:33] <freakabcd> so which is it?
[08:33] <freakabcd> i am pretty sure i have done this before.
[08:34] <freakabcd> just that this time it seems weird
[08:34] <Agent_bob> freakabcd i'm pretty sure i have never tried to add a mounted iso as a source     so without error messages i might be stabbing in the dark
[08:35] <freakabcd> Agent_bob, i'm pretty sure it gave an error the very first time i did reload in synaptic
[08:35] <freakabcd> but now it doesn;t give that anymore.. grr .. for silent errors
[08:36] <Agent_bob> "it's really ok to stab in the dark, if you hit something you can tell by the colour of blood on your knife, whether it's us or them"
[08:37] <freakabcd> maybe it is trying to get some newer versions from the internet
[08:37] <freakabcd> maybe i should try ti disable the rest of the repos
[08:37] <Agent_bob> worth a shot
[08:38] <Agent_bob> !info apt-ftparchive
[08:39] <Agent_bob> oh it's in apt-utils
[08:39] <Agent_bob> duh
[08:39] <freakabcd> nope
[08:40] <freakabcd> if i comment out all the repos except the file: one, it doesn't even find 'kubuntu' when i search :(
[08:40] <freakabcd> so obviously it is not being added (poperly perhaps)
[08:40] <Agent_bob> less the parenthetical i assume
[08:41] <freakabcd> :(
[08:41] <freakabcd> talking in #ubuntu is a crazy thing to do. waaay too much traffic, heh
[08:42] <Agent_bob> you could mount the iso on the mountpoint of the cdrom and use apt-cdrom to add it maybe ?
[08:42] <freakabcd> oooo.. thats something i never thought of!
[08:43] <freakabcd> heh, gonna try it now
[08:43] <Agent_bob> sudo apt-cdrom -d /tmp/koobuntu add
[08:43] <pteague> ok, i don't think this is good - "The ext3 file system creation in partition #2 of SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) failed."
[08:43] <Agent_bob> maybe ?
[08:43] <Agent_bob> add -m maybe.
[08:44] <Agent_bob> pteague hmm no i would think not.
[08:44] <Agent_bob> pteague gparted ?
[08:44] <pteague> doing an install
[08:45] <Agent_bob> yeah that's parted qt* i think   but anyway   you could drop to a console and manually build the fs
[08:46] <Agent_bob> you could make sure that it's not mounted...  O.o
[08:46] <pteague> let me change it from a primary to a logical & see what that does
[08:47] <Agent_bob> "primary to a logical"  </blinks>
[08:47] <Agent_bob> you mean extended ?
[08:47] <pteague> yes
[08:47] <Agent_bob> shouldn't matter unless  you have several primaries already
[08:47] <pteague> at least the installer seems to have remembered all the other settings
[08:48] <pteague> nope, old laptop
[08:49] <Agent_bob> with any "normal" system you can have at least 4 primary partitions one of which can be an extended with many logical disks in it.     and with more advanced systems you can have more than 4 primaries
[08:49] <pteague> nope... dang, i wonder if i go back to my original partition scheme if that would work
[08:50] <mauro> legend2440: Thans thans thans
[08:50] <mauro> thanks thanks thanks
[08:50] <mauro> ñegend2440: thanks thanks thanks
[08:50] <mauro> legend2440: thanks thanks thanks
[08:50] <Agent_bob> mauro you said that
[08:51] <mauro> join #ubuntu
[08:51] <Agent_bob> pteague did you tell it to resize any windows fs/partition ?
[08:51] <Agent_bob> /
[08:52] <pteague> nope, deleted everything & had debian on it before
[08:52] <Pennycook_> I'm getting an error in my aptitude full-upgrade: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12669/ .  Does it mean that for some reason libtotem has been upgraded, but the packages on which it depends aren't in the repos yet?
[08:54] <Agent_bob> Pennycook_ apt-cache policy libtotem-plparser10
[08:55] <Pennycook_> Agent_bob: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12670/
[08:56] <Agent_bob> Pennycook_ sudo apt-get update ;sudo apt-get upgrade      and see if it errors out
[08:56] <Pennycook_> It does.  Just had a look through Launchpad and it seems there's a bug.
[08:56] <Pennycook_> Thanks anyway. :)
[08:57] <pteague> hmm...  "Some of the partitions you created are too small.  Please make the following partitions at least this large (in bytes): \ \ /boot 55346688 \ \ If you do not go back to the partitioner and increase the size of these partitions, the installation may fail." ... that's 55,346,688...  55mb?
[08:57] <Agent_bob> ok the package is not built correctly Pennycook_
[08:58] <Agent_bob> pteague yep
[08:58] <pteague> i think you're right... i think i need to fdisk & manually build
[08:59] <Agent_bob> pteague cfdisk
[08:59] <Agent_bob> :)
[08:59] <pteague> cfdisk ??
[09:00] <Agent_bob> yep.  it's more "vision oriented"
[09:00] <Agent_bob> same app with a sort of  M$ fdisk looking shell on it.
[09:04] <pteague> weird - it wasn't deleting the extended partition
[09:04] <Agent_bob> imo cfdisk is the better of the three   and sfdisk being the lesser of them
[09:04] <Agent_bob> but some like sfdisk
[09:07] <Agent_bob> pteague call it habbit, but anytime i reload a system, i always do a cat /dev/zero > /dev/sda    first  then i never have that kind of errors   but it shouldn't ever actually be needed,  i just like the all clean aproach to things.
[09:07] <freakabcd> damn..
[09:07] <freakabcd> i think i need to find a rewritable 700 MB disc
[09:07] <freakabcd> this thing just doesn;t want to work, grr
[09:08] <Agent_bob> freakabcd you did use the -m switch on that didn't you?
[09:08] <freakabcd> yup
[09:08] <freakabcd> it added the cd
[09:08] <Agent_bob> but ?
[09:08] <freakabcd> and i can see Kubuntu-KDE4 hardy heron in the 'origin'
[09:09] <freakabcd> but clicking on it, doesn't even show any kde/qt packages!
[09:09] <Agent_bob> mmm k
[09:10] <Agent_bob> freakabcd does apt-get install Kubuntu-KDE4      error out ?
[09:10] <freakabcd> after i search for kubuntu-kde4-desktop, and click on apply, then it shows it will download 190 megs or so
[09:10] <freakabcd> Agent_bob, i can install if i want with just the internet, but i don't want to spend the bandwidth if at all possible
[09:11] <Agent_bob> freakabcd did you re-enable the other repos ?
[09:11] <uga> I hate this... anybody can recommend a domain name registerer?
[09:11] <freakabcd> sure
[09:11] <Agent_bob> why ?
[09:11] <uga> there are so many, and lots look almost fake...
[09:11] <freakabcd> you want me to disable them?
[09:11] <Agent_bob> yeah try it
[09:11] <pteague> godady.com ?
[09:11] <freakabcd> Agent_bob, disabling them doesn;t even show kde or kubuntu when i search!
[09:11] <pteague> er, godaddy
[09:11] <jussi01> uga: godaddy
[09:12] <freakabcd> its almost the same as not having the source added :(
[09:12] <freakabcd> i'm gonna find a freaking 700 rewritable.
[09:12] <uga> jussi01: pteague: thanks, I'll check it
[09:12] <freakabcd> this is an unfortunate situation
[09:13] <Agent_bob> freakabcd care to post your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[09:13] <freakabcd> sure
[09:13] <jussi01> !paste
[09:14] <freakabcd> http://pastebin.org/36532
[09:14] <freakabcd> ah, sorry i pasted int he wrong place
[09:14] <pteague> ok, that didn't work... what was it you were saying?  /dev/zero > /dev/sda ?
[09:15] <Agent_bob> pteague cat /dev/zero > /dev/sda     will totally wipe the hd
[09:15] <bibstha> what is the meaning of adding node content in panel-node?
[09:15] <bibstha> any idea/
[09:16] <bibstha> oops wrong channel :(
[09:16] <pteague> i wonder if my high school science teacher still teaches at the school i went too... if /dev/zero doesn't work i think i'll try his giant magnet
[09:17] <Agent_bob> freakabcd lines 39 and 40 are intentional ?
[09:17] <freakabcd> i can comment them if you want..
[09:17] <freakabcd> i'm editing the sources list by hand and sometimes using that software sources list
[09:17] <Agent_bob> yeah do that and do this.       apt-cache search kde4
[09:18] <Agent_bob> that should show several packages on the cd
[09:18] <freakabcd> nothing
[09:19] <Agent_bob> ?
[09:19] <freakabcd> apt-get update; apt-cache search kde4
[09:19] <freakabcd> return with NO results
[09:19] <freakabcd> seriously this is starting to piss me off
[09:19] <freakabcd> i will find that damn rewritable
[09:19] <Agent_bob> yeah i can see why.    everything is correct but the iso is acting like it's blank.
[09:20] <freakabcd> but i can see all the package files on the mount point
[09:20] <Agent_bob> yeah i'm saying that the package database is saying it'd blank   not that the iso actually is
[09:20] <Agent_bob> it's
[09:21] <Agent_bob> something is wierd there.     i just haven't been able to put my fingure on what it is yet
[09:21] <uga> jussi01: pteague: they offer e-mail hosting. In theory I shouldn't need that though, right? my plan is to use hosting in some other place
[09:22] <lookin_kubu> lol, here's a smart question .....how do I type "~" on keyboard?
[09:22] <uga> lookin_kubu: try AltGr+4
[09:22] <uga> if it fails, try twice
[09:22] <JoshOvki> lookin_kubu: what layout you using?
[09:22] <JoshOvki> because here its above  #
[09:23] <uga> JoshOvki: I was guessing spanish, given we have same issue over here
[09:23] <lookin_kubu> i have american english keyboard
[09:24] <pteague> uga, not sure you need the extra... just be able to assign the different DNS for it
[09:24] <Agent_bob> freakabcd idk.   i've gone back over what we have covered,  and that "should" be working.   i'm at a loss here.
[09:24] <JoshOvki> uga: who you hosting with?
[09:24] <jussi01> uga: this is kinda offtopic for here, maybe try #kubuntu-offtopic ?
[09:25] <freakabcd> me too..
[09:25] <freakabcd> now sudo synaptic
[09:25] <freakabcd> has hung!
[09:25] <freakabcd> wow, first time i see this
[09:25] <jussi01> freakabcd: dont use sudo - gksudo for graphical gtkapps.
[09:26] <freakabcd> doesn;t matter, gksudo will not help me with this situation
[09:26] <Agent_bob> until i ironed out the issue i'd leave synaptic alone.   stick with apt/aptitude so you can read the output..
[09:27] <JoshOvki> lookin_kubu: try    Alt Gr +    the key on the left of 1
[09:27] <uga> JoshOvki: that's what I was thinking. Right now I'd use localhost, but they are requiring me to use a second name server sigh =(
[09:27] <uga> jussi01: sorry, yes
[09:28] <lookin_kubu> tks  :)
[09:30] <pteague> how long should the cat /dev/zero > /dev/sda take?
[09:31] <Agent_bob> pteague every bite on the disk is being writen with 0x0
[09:32] <Agent_bob> so depends on the size of the disk and the speed your system can write
[09:32] <pteague> ah, there we go... hmm...
[09:32] <Agent_bob> on my lappy about 17/18 minutes  but it's not fast and has 74g hd
[09:33] <pteague> is this normal?  "cat: write error: No space left on device" ?
[09:33] <Agent_bob> yeap
[09:33] <pteague> k
[09:33] <Agent_bob> that means it reached the end.
[09:34] <Agent_bob> see normally cat would read all the input and write to a file (or stdout)   but in this case, it's reading an unding source of null charictors  and writing to finite destination.
[09:35] <pteague> going into fdisk i get a bunch of junk & then "Warning: invalid flag 0x0000 of partition table 4 will be corrected by w(rite)"
[09:35] <Agent_bob> hmm shouldn't.
[09:36] <Agent_bob> you still have non-zero data on that disk
[09:36] <pteague> by junk i meant the normal blah blah blah
[09:36] <Agent_bob> still should NOT mention partition table 4
[09:36] <pteague> well, i am on a live cd & there's still a /dev/sda5 listed
[09:36] <Agent_bob> should say something like no partition table found
[09:37] <Agent_bob> yep you still have non-zero data on that disk
[09:37] <Agent_bob> i.e.   "huston, we have a problem!"
[09:37] <pteague> yep... it starts with "Device contains neither a valid DOS partition table, nor Sun, SGI or OSF disklab e1 \ Building a new DOS disklabel with disk identifier 0x764487a6."
[09:38] <pteague> rebooting to see if that'll help
[09:38] <Agent_bob> oh did say no partition table     good.    but the other message still throws red flags everywhere
[09:40]  * Agent_bob wonders if pteague might be fighting with a bios "virus protection" program   ???
[09:42] <Agent_bob> i'm old school on that topic.  i think linux should totally take over bios when the kernel loads.   not leaving anything to the bios makes for a cleaner kernel    imo
[09:43] <Agent_bob> and a much more controlable system
[09:45] <pteague> it's a 500mhz laptop with 128mb ram... an old compaq armada e500... not had problems in the past, but i've not done much with it in about a year other than turn it on
[09:45] <eyemon> how can i use the root
[09:45] <Agent_bob> 128m ram    ! there's your issue
[09:45] <Agent_bob> eyemon sudo -i
[09:45] <pteague> lol
[09:46] <Agent_bob> !root | eyemon
[09:46] <Agent_bob> pteague the new live CD can't all load in that size ram
[09:46] <pteague> i'm actually installing mythbuntu atm
[09:47] <Agent_bob> !alternate
[09:48] <pteague> the gui installer is xfce & the 'text' installer looks like it's x with just the installer windows
[09:49] <pteague> i'm using the 'text' installer
[09:49] <Agent_bob> k
[09:51] <pteague> i just wish the installer was smaller :)  my firewall boots off a floppy ;)
[09:51] <Agent_bob> the "<pteague> well, i am on a live cd & there's still a /dev/sda5 listed" had me thinking you were using a live CD  silly me.
[09:52] <Agent_bob> pteague heh the ubuntu kernel wont fit on a floppy and the initramfs.img is over 6m now
[09:52] <pteague> i was messing with the live cd earlier & was messing around in xfce, but it was just to dang slow... the 'text' installer still runs on x, just doesn't have the extra bloat
[09:53] <Agent_bob> you can run XFree86 in 4m of ram
[09:53] <Agent_bob> i don't know about xorg  but probably about the same
[09:54] <Agent_bob> granted you can't do anything with it.  but it will run there.
[09:54] <pteague> hehe, all it needs to do is run the popup windows
[09:55]  * Agent_bob meant total ram == 4m    like old 386's
[09:56] <pteague> yep
[09:59]  * Agent_bob used to reinstall twice a weak...
[10:00] <pteague> i need to get this fixed up so i can swap the monitor back over & set up the mythtv backend to record the indiana jones marathon tomorrow
[10:00] <Agent_bob> now i haven't reinstalled "per say" in 2 years...
[10:00]  * JoshOvki reinstalled 1 month ago, due to a bad upgrade which was self inflicted
[10:01] <Agent_bob> JoshOvki heh.  yeah.
[10:01] <Agent_bob> i merged two systems on three hd's to one system on two hd's    but that's not a reload by any means
[10:02] <Agent_bob> but it was self inflicted too
[10:02] <Agent_bob> pteague hows the partition work now ?
[10:03] <JoshOvki> most things are. i dont like it when people say "*ubuntu broke this"
[10:03] <pteague> if you can call it a reinstall...  i stripped down my old raid5 fileserver (1 of the drives went bad), made 1 of the good drives / & put in a whole new set of drives, & a pci sata i/o card
[10:03] <Agent_bob> oh.  "ubuntu" grub actually did break ont of my systems
[10:03] <pteague> still trying to load the cd into ram
[10:04] <JoshOvki> Agent_bob: when i first started out a few years ago i had so many problems with grub
[10:04]  * JoshOvki says a few years ago, but its coming up 10 years
[10:05] <pteague> i've had issues with lilo as well... neither's a silver bullet :(
[10:05]  * Agent_bob wonders how they expect 700m compressed to fit uncompressed into 128m ....
[10:05] <pteague> hehe
[10:05] <pteague> oh dang... & no swap =)
[10:05] <JoshOvki> Agent_bob: tight squeeze?
[10:05] <JoshOvki> ;)
[10:06] <JoshOvki> right i gotta go shopping, lucky me. catch ya all later
[10:06] <pteague> i may use ubuntu server to set up partitions so there's at least some swap
[10:06] <Agent_bob> JoshOvki heh yeah.   my issue is that it writes more than 512bytes into the MBR  thus adversly affecting the first sector of the hd      i don't use partitions,   so that means it hoses the superblock of my fs
[10:07] <Agent_bob> JoshOvki k.   tre bon chance shopping
[10:07] <pteague> hehe... must be with the SO
[10:08] <Agent_bob> :)
[10:08] <pteague> he sounded overly excited about it
[10:09]  * Agent_bob never minded spending other peoples money  :)))
[10:09] <Agent_bob> it's his own that he doesn't like to part with
[10:12] <Agent_bob> howto make less print colours rather than the code that sets the colour ?
[10:14] <pteague> hehe... this had a huge hard drive! - 12.1gb
[10:15] <Agent_bob> ah found it....   -R
[10:15] <Agent_bob> pteague untill last year i was still working on 4g hd's
[10:16] <Agent_bob> but three of them add up to 12g  so...  :)
[10:17] <Agent_bob> actually i had one box with 8 drives in it...   kinda nice   for older hardware   i really liked
[10:18] <pteague> hmm... ok, 1gb swap at beginning of disk & the rest is ext3 for / ...  do i put the bootable flag on sda1 or sda2 ?
[10:18] <Agent_bob> doesn't matter if there is one
[10:18] <josef_> !sound
[10:18] <Agent_bob> grub is going to ignore the bootflag anyway
[10:18] <josef_> hmm.. what's the one for hda intel cards?
[10:19] <Agent_bob> !hda
[10:19] <Agent_bob> well it was
[10:19] <pteague> !intel
[10:19] <Agent_bob> !sound-hda
[10:19] <jussi01> !intelhda
[10:19] <Agent_bob> pfft the stand in bot is not up to par
[10:19] <josef_> ah thanks jussi01 :)
[10:20] <jussi01> Agent_bob: you leave ubottu alone - shes trying her best
[10:20] <Agent_bob> she's fired
[10:20] <Agent_bob> you hear me ?   F I R E D !
[10:20] <Agent_bob> :)
[10:20] <pteague> nah, just needs an upgrade
[10:20] <jussi01> Agent_bob: you are fired! its exactly the same db as ubotu :D
[10:21] <jussi01> Agent_bob: learn to use !search
[10:21] <pteague> fired? bring out the torches
[10:21] <jussi01> !search intel
[10:21] <Agent_bob> jussi01 yeah but they keep deleting factoids lots of thing that used to be there aren't there now...
[10:22] <Chrysalis> jumped over to check out kde 4.0.4 and everything is a mess. . . panel is gone, programs crash etc. . . how do i get rid of it to try to reinstall while keeping me kde3 intact?
[10:28] <pteague> any idea how to tell if a webserver is sending gzipped content?
[10:29] <Agent_bob> pteague sniff for the gzip header ?
[10:29] <Agent_bob> sorry,  i mean    nope not a clue.
[10:30] <pteague> was using curl...  checked the headers & nothing in there about it & the html page is standard html... wasn't sure if it'd be garbled or not
[10:30]  * Agent_bob whistles inocently, and walks away
[10:32] <pteague> i need to figure out who made this website... it'll be another local co for my friend to rip into
[10:32] <freakabcd> Agent_bob, i gave up. i can;t find a 700 MB rewritable :(
[10:32] <freakabcd> getting everything off the internet now
[10:33] <Agent_bob> freakabcd sorry to hear that.
[10:33] <freakabcd> its unfortunate, but i have the bandwidth for this month. so its ok
[10:34]  * Agent_bob has bandnarrowness  in place of bandwidth 
[10:34] <pteague> if you guys ever set up a web server... make sure you allow people to cache stuff unless it's absolutely necessary not to on something
[10:35] <Agent_bob> cuts down on data transfer does it
[10:36] <pteague> yeah
[10:37] <Agent_bob> makes cracking easier too
[10:38] <pteague> ?
[10:38] <ubuntu> piko para todos ustedes
[10:39] <Agent_bob> !es
[10:39] <Agent_bob> !pt
[10:41] <Agent_bob> i don't speak chilineese ;/
[10:44] <Agent_bob> pteague you mentioned swap eariler,   i actually made a swap file and used it some today.    heavy photo editing.
[10:44] <Agent_bob> used a GUI for that too
[10:45] <pteague> i need to get either 64bit or server working on my desktop so i can make full use of my ram... i've been using up my 1gb swap quite a bit... firefox is a hog... especially when i've got 60+ tabs open
[10:46] <Agent_bob> can't imagine...
[10:46] <crazy_bus> I installed the kde4 khangman and loaded it via /usr/lib/kde4/bin/khangman but it fails with this error  >	ASSERT failure in QList<T>::operator[]: "index out of range", file /usr/include/qt4/QtCore/qlist.h, line 399
[10:47] <chalcedony> pteague a man after my own heart
[10:47] <jdavies> chalcedony: ?
[10:47] <chalcedony> my son used to get so mad at me for having so much open
[10:47] <Agent_bob> chalcedony :)
[10:47] <chalcedony> greetings jdavies:)
[10:48] <jdavies> hi
[10:49] <chalcedony> if i upgraded to gutsy (just the download and reboot) do i need to do anything else before changing to hardy?
[10:49] <pteague> i had somebody tell me i was using my computer wrong... when you need to browse something you open firefox & find what you need, then you close it & open your editor...  i can see where he's going, but #1 i'm lazy & #2 i don't like sitting around for 10 seconds (talking about windows here) to wait for something to open that was already open...
[10:51] <Agent_bob> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.bugs.general/430949 crazy_bus
[10:52] <Agent_bob> not interesting really,    all i found on that tho
[10:52] <pteague> chalcedony> i think that's all you need to do
[10:53] <Agent_bob> chalcedony you might find it easier to just grab the iso and fresh install
[10:53] <Agent_bob> only  a though.
[10:54] <chalcedony> Agent_bob i thought about it and decided not to
[10:54] <Agent_bob> k
[10:54] <chalcedony> i'm used to my 'tracks'
[10:54] <Agent_bob> you'll dl three times as much   if that matters to you
[10:54] <chalcedony> hmm ?
[10:54] <chalcedony> why is that?
[10:55] <chalcedony> 2x for two steps
[10:55] <crazy_bus> Agent_bob: so nothing I can really do about it?
[10:56] <Agent_bob> the gutsy upgrade   then the hardy upgrade will == about three times the iso size.    but then you would probably want to update the hardy which negates part of that... so never mind my rambling chalcedony
[10:56] <Agent_bob> crazy_bus you can file a bug on it.    i can't help you do anyething more with it...
[10:57] <crazy_bus> thanks anyway
[10:57] <Agent_bob> ;/
[10:58] <chalcedony> i was using do-release-upgrade , i expected it to go to hardy, but it had me reboot .. and now it's gutsy?
[10:58] <chalcedony> is there a different command to get Hardy ?
[10:58] <pteague> do an aptitude update
[10:59] <Agent_bob> it doesn't skip releases     to the best of my knowledge     only Agent_bob upgrades streight through
[10:59] <pteague> then i think you can do the release upgrade
[11:02] <KRF> is it possible to change the color of plasma panel by now?
[11:02] <KRF> or having two rows?
[11:07] <Agent_bob> ah!  25 minutes and i'm finished for the next 62 hours
[11:07] <Agent_bob> so i'm leaving no to do final rounds.   shalom!
[11:11] <pteague> well i missed it setting up ext3, but it's definitely past there cause it's copying files... thanks for telling me about /dev/zero :)
[11:12] <chalcedony> pteague i did aptitude upgrade .. 0 removed 0 added
[11:12] <chalcedony> tried safe-upgrade too
[11:12] <pteague> no, update... to update what it has in the way of packages cached... might have done that when it updated to gutsy, but i don't know
[11:12] <chalcedony> how to go to hardiy?
[11:12] <chalcedony> ah
[11:13] <chalcedony> i think it did
[11:13] <chalcedony> i tried both.. 0s
[11:14] <pteague> try the release upgrade again?
[11:14] <chalcedony> ok
[11:14] <chalcedony> that should do it?
[11:16] <pteague> not sure... i haven't done it yet myself due to possible issues with hardware
[11:16] <chalcedony> System Error: E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[11:16] <chalcedony> and stopped
[11:17] <pteague> ack
[11:17] <pteague> syn...
[11:17] <chalcedony> type that?
[11:17] <pteague> no, that was a joke :)
[11:17] <chalcedony> ah
[11:18] <chalcedony> be careful, i migiht take someone literally
[11:18] <chalcedony> might
[11:18] <chalcedony> what to do now?
[11:18] <pteague> ack! as in eep! or oops! ...  but ack is also a hello message in protocols to which the response is syn ;)
[11:19] <chalcedony> hehehe lol
[11:19] <chalcedony> um it says to report the bug
[11:19] <chalcedony> i can't copy paste on that box now
[11:19] <pteague> i can't remember how to deal with broken packages without trying to install something
[11:19] <chalcedony> it won't let me open files
[11:20]  * chalcedony taps toe.. i EXPECT geniuses!
[11:20] <chalcedony> ;)
[11:20] <pteague> hmm...
[11:21] <chalcedony> we can look for someone else
[11:21] <pteague> can you get the alt+ctrl+f[0-9] terminal? i typically use alt+ctrl+f2 ... & don't forget that alt+ctrl+f7 brings you back to gui
[11:22] <chalcedony> umm ok.. why?
[11:22] <chalcedony> gives me a login
[11:23] <chalcedony> f7 gives me a flashing prompt in the top left of a blank screen
[11:23] <pteague> geeze... i should stop trying to pay attention to other people's problems... i'm to far gone... i thought i read something from you that said you couldn't type anything
[11:24] <chalcedony> no what i said was it won't let me create a file : w filename
[11:24] <chalcedony> but it;'s not taking me back to the gui
[11:25] <pteague> i know -f tries to aggressively fix problems, but i don't know if that'd work or not
[11:26] <pteague> ok, i wonder if there's something wrong with 1 of those broken packages then that's causing the gui to be messed up
[11:27] <chalcedony> pteague that would be interesting
[11:27] <chalcedony> i'd like to have the error msg back
[11:28] <pteague> log in to that terminal & restart kdm
[11:29] <chalcedony> pteague i like this channel but i have ubuntu (command please?)
[11:30] <eagles05> im trying to setup kde4 to use a static ip addresss how do i do it with ifconfig
[11:30] <pteague> oh, then you'll need to restart gdm...  sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[11:33] <chalcedony> wow there is no gui with control alt f7
[11:33] <chalcedony> i relogged in but it won't go there
[11:34] <pteague> after you restart gdm shouldn't need to go to ctrl+alt+f7, should put you at a gui login
[11:34] <chalcedony> it says kinit:No resume image, doing normal boot
[11:35] <chalcedony> i got a non-gui login
[11:36] <pteague> when did you reboot last?
[11:37] <chalcedony> pteague after it upgraded to gutsy this evening
[11:37] <chalcedony> it did a shutdown
[11:37] <chalcedony> then it got that error and now this
[11:39] <pteague> hmm...
[11:39] <chalcedony> that was a feisty to gutsy upgrade
[11:40] <chalcedony> and i already have two sick computers (other)
[11:40] <harry> hey chaps
[11:40] <pteague> & `aptitude upgrade` doesn't give you anything?
[11:41] <chalcedony> greetings harry
[11:41] <chalcedony> it checked for things and ran the program, but ended with 0
[11:44] <pteague> i've not done much with apt, but i think there's a way to check for broken packages, but i'm not sure how... or what to do once found
[11:45] <pteague> might check #ubuntu & #ubuntu-server
[11:47] <noam_> so... that libtotem update... it's a bug, right?
[11:48] <chalcedony> pteague i'll also join #ubuntu-server but thank you for all your help, it's not you it's the upgrade
[11:51] <crazy_bus> libqt4-debug: Depends: libqt4-gui (= 4.3.4-0ubuntu3) but 4.4.0-1ubuntu3~hardy1 is to be installed  :: any idea's on how to fix this?
[11:52] <fernando> hi, I have update my kubuntu system and vista gone from my grub list...
[11:52] <fernando> how can I restore vista??
[11:52] <crazy_bus> ah I see the problem now, still not how to fix it
[11:58] <fernando> any help..?
[11:58] <noam_> there's a broken package update for libtotem-plupdate10. i guess a bug has been reported already?
[11:58] <fernando> I can find information about restart linux after vista, but not in the other direction..
[11:58] <fernando> *restore
[12:00] <noam_> fernando: http://www.planetmy.com/blog/how-to-fixmbr-using-windows-vista-bootable-disk/ will remove the GRUB menu, i believe
[12:00] <fernando> noam: I not need to remove grub.. I have both system.. my problems is after I update kubutu, the entry of vista gone..
[12:01] <fernando> I need only to restore the vista entry on my grub menu..
[12:01] <ruben> Hi I'm new to kde, my resolution is set to low imo. But I can only slide the bar to 800x600, why can't I set a higher resolution???
[12:01] <noam_> well, all windows vista grub entries look the same, i think, so try adding an entry as described here: http://www.pronetworks.org/forum/about78184.html
[12:02] <eagles05> fernando: i did duel boot for a friend
[12:02] <eagles05> ended up having to redo it
[12:03] <eagles05> u have to install kubuntu first then install windows vista
[12:03] <noam_> what? i haven't tried it but it's obviously possible. i installed kubuntu after i installed winxp
[12:04] <eagles05> noam_: thats xp but i did duel boot with vista and kubuntu it ended up messing up for my friend and i had to redo it puting kubuntu first then vista
[12:04] <eagles05> this was after doing some digging around on google
[12:05] <fernando> noam. I am restarting the system..I hope that's it
[12:06] <fernando> noam. thanks.. :-)
[12:06] <ruben> how can I configure X to a higher resolution?
[12:08] <pteague> i've not messed with vista, but prev versions i've always had to install win first & then linux...  windows overwrites the boot stuff & won't let you load anything else
[12:08] <ubuntu_> promo
[12:08] <pteague> ruben, whats the highest res allowed on your box ?
[12:08] <ubuntu_> hello everybody
[12:11] <ruben> I dont know, but defenitly not 800x600,  I want to have 1280X 1024, but I can only slide the bar in de monitor options to 800x600 max.
[12:12] <pteague> you can hack your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file to have higher resolutions...  the other thing to check is to see if you have the right driver for your video card
[12:13] <dev_eddie> can someone confirm me that libtotem-plparser10 is broken in the repository right now?
[12:14] <ruben> pteague, where to check te driver?
[12:14] <pteague> what video card do you have?
[12:14] <pteague> or do you know? :)
[12:15] <noam_> fernando: well did it work? :)
[12:19] <andreas__> do kubuntu 8.04 have KDE4?
[12:20] <Dr_willis> There is a kde4 variant and a kde3 variant
[12:20] <Odd-rationale> kde4 | andreas__
[12:20] <freakabcd> andreas__, kubuntu-kde4
[12:20] <andreas__> ok, ty :)
[12:20] <Dr_willis> Or you can install kde4 on the kde3 variant. Or visa-versa
[12:20] <Odd-rationale> !kde4 | andreas__
[12:23] <eagles05> bah cant get ssh to work with putty
[12:24] <eagles05> myy connection keeps timing out
[12:24] <giacomo> !it
[12:33] <andreas__> kde i mutch nicer to look at, but i think gnome is easyer to use
[12:33] <Dr_willis> easy is relative.
[12:34] <Dr_willis> i often find gnome harder to use to do the spefific jobs i want to do. :)
[12:34] <andreas__> but this is first time kde. it's look nice :)
[12:35] <Dr_willis> use both for a few weeks/months befor deciding.
[12:35] <fernando> I have set the right resolution for my lcd screen on my monitor and on my sesion it works, however, on my login screen is a very low resolution.. how can I set the same resolution on my login screen?
[12:36] <fernando> omit - on my monitor - sorry
[12:36] <andreas__> Dr_willis:  yes i will :)
[12:36] <fernando> I have try using root privilegies but doesn't work
[12:37] <armin_> !de
[12:39] <eagles05> whats the commaned to kill x
[12:39] <Dragnslcr> ctrl-alt-backspace will restart X
[12:40] <eagles05> Dragnslcr: i dont wanna restart it i wanna kill x so i can start x in the ssh session im currently logged into on my other lapto
[12:40] <eagles05> laptop*
[12:40] <Dragnslcr> From a terminal, it's just like any other process
[12:40] <Dragnslcr> i.e. kill
[12:40] <eagles05> i did sudo killx and it didnt work
[12:40] <eagles05> said killx command not found
[12:41] <Dragnslcr> Try kill <pid>
[12:41] <Dr_willis> if you kill the window manager you will restart the X session totally. it depends on EXACTLY what you are wanting to do.
[12:41] <Dragnslcr> If that doesn't work, you can try kill -9
[12:41] <Dr_willis> Killing the window manager is different from killing X.
[12:41] <|Dreams|> can someone help m eplease adept keeps crashing http://paste.ubuntu.com/12703/
[12:41] <eagles05> Dr_willis: i wanna start x on my ssh session
[12:42] <Dr_willis> I normally start a x session locally, with a xterm, and ssh to the remote box then start the window manager and tools.. The idea of 'starting x', on a ssh session.... seems... wrong
[12:42] <noam_> the command is xkill, not killx
[12:42] <noam_> in KDE it has the shortcut ctrl alt escape
[12:42] <Dr_willis> In fact on my laptop - theres a 'secure x session' session entry i recall that lets you do that.
[12:43] <noam_> oh wait, you want to kill X. disregard me
[12:43] <Dr_willis> noam_,  im confused also. :)
[12:44] <andreas__> When i try to delete program whit the tool "add/remove programs" it's only install the program twise. who i delete programs ?
[12:44] <|Dreams|> can someone help me please adept keeps crashing http://paste.ubuntu.com/12703/ and synaptic wont load either
[12:45] <eyemon> hi
[12:47] <Dr_willis> andreas__, the adept manager is a more powerfull package manager tool you may want to try out.  it dose the same thing as add/remove only with more optuons.  You will eventually want to learn to use it. (or install synaptic and use that, its a similer front end also)
[12:48] <Dr_willis> andreas__,  or use the command line 'apt-get' tools - again.. these all install/remove the same programs. they are just different front ends to the apt system
[12:49] <chalcedony> Dr_willis  HELP! I upgraded from Feisty to Gutsy with "do-release-upgrade", it finished Gutsy and restarted, I got the gui screen and tried to update aptitude, 0 % upgraded etc. I tried running "do-release-upgrade" but got an error: System Error: E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. I told someone that I could not open a file to paste the error into. He misunderstood me, he told me to do control+alt+f(1-9) and coltrol+
[12:49] <|Dreams|> if anyone has had the same problem with segmentation usig adept then this is for you sudo rm /var/cache/apt/*.bin
[12:49] <|Dreams|> works liek a charm
[12:50] <andreas__> Dr_willis:  ty man, i gonna take a look at adept manager, if it dont work i will try apt-get
[12:50] <chalcedony> |Dreams| glad for you :)
[12:50] <Dr_willis> andreas__,  i tend to use synaptic, and the command line apt-get tools.
[12:51] <andreas__> is synaptic instaled by default ?
[12:51] <Dr_willis> chalcedony,  i rarely if ever upgrade. I normally do clean installs. Sorry cant really help.
[12:51] <Dr_willis> andreas__,  no. :) does it matter ? if you want it  install it.
[12:51] <andreas__> will do :)
[12:52] <Fungyo> clean installs are the way to go. keep /home on separate partition
[12:53] <chalcedony> hmmm so .. from here
[12:53] <andreas__> synaptic, is that who is in ubuntu whit gnome?
[12:54] <Fungyo> synaptic is the default package manager in ubuntu.
[12:54] <andreas__> i see, i love that manager :)
[12:55] <Fungyo> i use it in kubuntu. i prefer it over adept
[12:55] <andreas__> ye, mutch easyer to use, and more clean i think
[12:57] <Fungyo> also i find synaptic to be rock solid. adept i have issues with from time to time
[12:58] <eduardiyo> hola hola !
[12:58] <Dr_willis> I rarely use adepts manager. It just seems too slow at times.
[12:59] <eduardiyo> tengo un problema, he instalado klaptopdaemon para ver la batería y demás de mi laptop, pero ahora no se cómo añadir ese elemento a al barra del menú k, alguna ayuda?, gracias
[12:59] <andreas__> do more i use linux, do more i love it
[12:59] <emilsedgh> !es | eduardiyo
[13:04] <sweetchack_> jó napot
[13:05] <andreas__> who i see if my gfx card have drivers?
[13:11] <armin_> wieder da
[13:11] <armin_> schwerer absturz nachdem ich nur was auf einen usb-stift kopier habe
[13:12] <Jucato> !de
[13:12] <armin_> grothesk_ hast es?
[13:12] <Fungyo> extremely funny -> http://www.rishiraj.in/wp-content/uploads/kill-bill.jpg
[13:12] <armin_> uuups
[13:12] <armin_> sorry!! I thought I was in the German channel
[13:12] <armin_> thanks, bye
[13:20] <roberto> qualcuno ha la scheda ati radeon ?  con ubuntu 8.04  ho dei problemi , non funz  il 3d
[13:21] <wilczek> witam :)
[13:21] <wilczek> ja z drobnym pytaniem
[13:21] <roberto> oh !  i can speak english or french
[13:22] <wilczek> i maked file ~/.kde/autostart/irssi.sh
[13:22] <wilczek> #!/bin/bash
[13:22] <wilczek> killall irssi
[13:22] <wilczek> screen irssi -c QuakeNet
[13:23] <wilczek> but it don't work
[13:24] <wilczek> irssi dos not work
[13:24] <wilczek> roberto: do you know why?
[13:25] <wilczek> why irssi don't start?
[13:27] <andreas__> who i see if i have drivers to me gfx card?
[13:27] <roberto> no I  have installed xorg but  I haven't changed file config yet  , with the  owner driver it is wrong at the moment
[13:28] <roberto> 64 bit  is not yet supported I mean
[13:39] <herman> !adeptfix
[13:39] <andreas__> well, i instaled the nvidia drivers, and now is the screen size max is 640x480, who i make it bigger ?
[13:49] <Dr_willis_> I normally install and use the 2 nvidia config tools after i install the drivers
[13:50] <Steve-cal> If I go to KDE System Settings, click "Sound System", and the click the "Hardware" tab, I can choose which audio device I want to use. It only gives me rather generic choices such as ALSA and OSS. When I'm in Gnome however, I can choose my specific device "VIA 82C686A/B rev 20". Why can't I do that in KDE?
[13:51] <mateusz> ello people
[13:51] <Tokeiito> hello
[13:52] <Tokeiito> i have problem with alsa in latest kubuntu. only one program can use audio, other just pops error. is there a way to fix that?
[13:52] <mateusz> should yes
[13:53] <mateusz> which version u using of kubuntu
[13:53] <Tokeiito> 8.04
[13:53] <Tokeiito> and using alsa for audio
[13:53] <mateusz> yeah same so what might be the issue
[13:53] <mateusz> ok
[13:54] <Tokeiito> here is the example: if i launch amarok, then java application doesnt has sound. if i launch that java app, then amarok drops me error, that alsa is busy
[13:55] <roberto> I cannot hear sound with my audigy in ubuntu 8.04  and alsa  seems ok
[13:56] <Dr_willis_> What audigy specifically?
[13:56] <Tokeiito> maybe there is some alsa configuration option to enable multi channels?
[13:58] <roberto> sb0160  appear on ubuntu  I don't remember  exactly
[13:59] <andreas__> where i change my hz on the monitor to 65hz in xorg.conf?
[13:59] <roberto> I have enabled all
[14:14] <Zeon> good morning, i need support. I got a problem with my network card. In kubuntu 6.x the OS detects and uses it correctly but in Kubuntu 7.x and 8.x i got some malfunction. Anyone can help me solve this problem?
[14:20] <andreas__> where i change my hz on the monitor to 65hz in xorg.conf?
[14:20] <baudthief> I've just (re)built my new machine and reinstalled Kubuntu 8.04 - My new GFX card is a nvidia 8800GTS, I installed compiz through synaptic, but each time I start it says I have no composite extention?
[14:20] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[14:21] <baudthief> BluesKaj: hello
[14:23] <BluesKaj> baudthief, edit the xorg file and enable composite , or you could post your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file on pastebin so we can have a look .
[14:24] <baudthief> BluesKaj: already enabled in xorg, will pastebin xorg.conf right now
[14:25] <farchord> I was using Compiz fusion a while ago, but I got sick of the eye candy, so I just picked a nice looking KDE theme and personnalized it's looks ;)
[14:25] <Zeon> I got a problem with my network card. In kubuntu 6.x the OS detects and uses it correctly but in Kubuntu 7.x and 8.x i got some malfunction. Anyone can help me solve this problem?
[14:25] <baudthief> BluesKaj:  http://pastebin.com/m6dc2b18c
[14:25] <BluesKaj> Zeon, wirless ?
[14:26] <baudthief> farchord: hah, to be honest I thought of uninstalling it - but it's just not the same. I also tried out openSUSE for the past couple of days (figured i'd see how it compares) - the few suse users I asked for help are bastards though.
[14:27] <baudthief> *were
[14:27] <baudthief> Kubuntu always sorta felt like home though lol
[14:27] <farchord> baudthief: granted, but I'm a linux gamer, and I do believe to use my PC as fast as it can be and the least buggy possible. So Compiz Fusion hinders that philosophy lol
[14:28] <baudthief> farchord: haha I always run 'kwin --replace' before gaming :p
[14:28] <farchord> Imo if I wanted eye candy instead of performance I'd install Windows Vista with Object Desktop lol
[14:28] <farchord> heh
[14:28] <baudthief> BLASPHEMY!
[14:28] <farchord> lol
[14:28] <baudthief> might have to for DX10 later anyway :P
[14:29] <BluesKaj> baudthief, I don't see anything wrong, ...perhaps the ppl at #compiz-fusion can help
[14:29] <farchord> Meh. Wine will get into DX10 sooner or later
[14:30] <baudthief> had to stick to dx81 for Half-Life/portal ;\
[14:30] <farchord> baudthief: : what error do you get when you try to enable it in console?
[14:32] <baudthief> farchord: Checking for Composite extension: not present. - same error for XGL
[14:32] <baudthief> #compiz-fusion say it's xinerama that's causing it, I like xinerama :(
[14:32] <farchord> k hold on
[14:33] <farchord> do me a favor, type this in console and tell me the output: glxinfo | grep OpenGL
[14:33] <farchord> Case sensitive btw
[14:33] <BluesKaj> baudthief, your module section:   Load           "glx" ..wondeing if that shouldn't be 'xgl'
[14:34] <Zeon> BluesKaj no, i got a cable ethernet card.
[14:35] <baudthief> farchord: http://pastebin.com/m33cfc70e
[14:35] <baudthief> BluesKaj: isn't glx the name of the nvidia driver or something?
[14:35] <farchord> BluesKaj: that's for ATI cards
[14:35] <baudthief> * _A_ driver
[14:35] <baudthief> well spotted though :P
[14:36] <farchord> hold on trying to work and do this at the same time but ill help ya
[14:36] <baudthief> thanks heh, i'll put off disabling xinerama as suggested then
[14:36] <BluesKaj> maybe I should stay out of this ...I'm an ati user and all this glx -xgl stuff confuses me :)
[14:37] <eyemon> i installed aircrack-ng using sudo but its no where no be seen
[14:37] <eyemon> what sould i do
[14:37] <baudthief> BluesKaj: I ended up throwing out my ATI card and buying a crappier NVidia card for Beryl :P
[14:37] <baudthief> (about a year ago)
[14:37] <eyemon> help
[14:37] <eyemon> help
[14:38] <baudthief> 'locate aircrack' ?
[14:38] <eyemon> where should i write locate aircrack??
[14:39] <baudthief> console
[14:39] <BluesKaj> baudthief, I'm not a compiz fan , I prefer a nice desktop but the eye candy thing is like a cheap drunk > It only lasts for a little while before the headache arrives
[14:39] <baudthief> *Konsole rather
[14:39] <farchord> BluesKaj: funny tho the only difference between your xorg and mine is that you have xinerama enabled, indeed....
[14:39] <farchord> BluesKaj: that was my problem ^^
[14:39] <farchord> BluesKaj: my bad wrong person on the first one
[14:39] <baudthief> I guess I'll disable xinerama and try heh
[14:39] <farchord> baudthief: : funny tho the only difference between your xorg and mine is that you have xinerama enabled, indeed....
[14:39] <BluesKaj> that's baudthief 's xorg file
[14:39] <baudthief> I sorta like dragging widnows across screens though lol
[14:39] <baudthief> *windows
[14:40] <eyemon> hey c'mon
[14:40] <eyemon> help me
[14:40] <baudthief> eyemon: I told you, Konsole
[14:40] <farchord> eyemon if anyone can help you they will, but I personnaly know nothing about it
[14:40] <eyemon> nothin happens man
[14:40] <farchord> eyemon: ALT+F2
[14:40] <farchord> Then that command does nothing
[14:40] <baudthief> hah
[14:40] <BluesKaj> eyemon, in konq address bar , locate:aircrack
[14:41] <andreas__> is  ModeLine       "640x480@60" 25.2 640 656 752 800 480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync... Is this the line i change the HZ on my monitor in the xorg.conf?
[14:41] <baudthief> back in a flash, restarting X
[14:41] <farchord> andreas__: it's actually recommended to try to do it from gnome
[14:41] <farchord> andreas__: but if not, yes it should normally be, just be careful and do lots 'o backups ;)
[14:42] <andreas__> farchord: 50hz is the max i can turn on in X
[14:42] <farchord> andreas__: ahh just be sure your screen can handle it or you might end up harming it
[14:42] <BluesKaj> andreas__, i wouldn't fool with the text , go thru the menu with the command line , sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[14:42] <andreas__> run 100hz on windwos, so it's np
[14:43] <farchord> that seems high to me, but okay
[14:45] <eyemon> i installed kubuntu on my lap
[14:45] <Dr_willis_> this a crt or lcd display?
[14:45] <andreas__> lcd
[14:45] <andreas__> 19wide from asus
[14:46] <eyemon> but when i restarted after updating somethin comes up saying "(initramfs)"
[14:46] <eyemon> whats that??
[14:47] <eyemon> help
[14:47] <eyemon> plzz
[14:48] <eyemon> GUYYYYZZZZZZZZZZz
[14:48] <eyemon> does any one know about this??
[14:48] <BluesKaj> !patience | eyemon
[14:50] <Dr_willis_> I wonder if the lcd is actually doing 100hz, or if it is just defaulting to a lower setting anyway.
[14:51] <Dr_willis_> initramfs - is loaded by the kernel to setupdrivers and other things so the main system can boot.
[14:51] <farchord> andreas__: anyway refresh rates are not that critical with lcds, it hurts eyes with CRT but it's fine on lcd, I wouldn't bother with it
[14:51] <Dr_willis_> I was thinking the same thing farchord
[14:51] <eyemon> but when i restarted after updating somethin comes up saying "(initramfs)"
[14:51] <Dr_willis_> eyemon,  no idea on that. You asked what a initrdramfs was.
[14:51] <Dr_willis_> byeee... gotta go shopping
[14:51] <andreas__> ok, then it stand by default :)
[14:51] <leatherdruid> Can anyone tell me if there is a way to migrate kubuntu from hd to hd.
[14:52] <nosrednaekim> leatherdruid: dd
[14:52] <leatherdruid> dd??
[14:52] <Dr_willis_> leatherdruid,  there are tools that can backup/restore - but you may have to change some files. for the uuid and other things
[14:52] <leatherdruid> so I'll have to reintall?
[14:52] <farchord> eyemon: for the record, initramfs is a kernel feature.... if it gets stuck there your linux install might be bricked
[14:53] <eyemon> what should i do
[14:53] <leatherdruid> I'm new to this... and I don't quite get it...lol
[14:54] <[GuS]> Hi guys... is there a problem in Kubuntu with QtDesigner 4.4? cause only works with oxygen style (when i have kde4 installed but i am using 3.x indeed). When i set qtconfig to Plastique.. the fonts of its menu bar dissapear.
[14:59] <fildo> reboot
[14:59] <farchord> lol
[14:59] <farchord> maaan can't wait to get my age of conan game
[15:01] <andreas__> farchord: ye, that game look king. ;) but i need a new pc to play that game :(
[15:01] <eyemon> anyone else have a suggetion??
[15:01] <farchord> eyemon: sorry mate I do not know. The #1 feature about linux is you have to be willing to sweat to find solutions, and that might mean many reinstalls
[15:02] <baudthief> farchord: hah, disabling xinerama worked!
[15:02] <nosrednaekim> thats not true,,,
[15:02] <farchord> nosrednaekim: was for me anyway lol many trials and errors
[15:02] <farchord> baudthief: cool
[15:03] <andor> what is the "code" to rename a file whit the console?
[15:03] <farchord> baudthief: gotta keep in mind that compiz is still in kind of not 100% stable yet, might conflict with some things like xinerama :)
[15:03] <farchord> andor: rm nameoffile.som
[15:03] <nosrednaekim> no!
[15:03] <nosrednaekim> not rm!
[15:03] <nosrednaekim> its mv
[15:03] <farchord> ?
[15:03] <farchord> no mv is move
[15:03] <nosrednaekim> rm is "remove"!
[15:03] <farchord> o
[15:03] <farchord> damn!
[15:03] <andor> rm is remove yes
[15:04] <farchord> sorry misread
[15:04] <andor> :)
[15:04] <eyemon> what is better ubuntu or Kubuntu
[15:04] <farchord> yeah it's mv lol
[15:04] <farchord> eyemon: depends on your preferences
[15:04] <baudthief> farchord: apparently twinview does virtually the same thing anyway lol, I'm used to nvidia's twinview meaning a cloned output
[15:04] <nosrednaekim> eyemon: it very much depepends... try them both and see which you like best
[15:04] <andor> eyemon: try both, it's only the skin
[15:04] <eyemon> O
[15:04] <farchord> eyemon: but being sincere with you, considering you are a beginner, I'd go with Kubuntu
[15:04] <andor> eyemon: if you like eyekandy, go for kbuntu
[15:05] <BluesKaj> kubuntu has more apps as well , altho they all run in both desktops
[15:05] <baudthief> kubuntu is cooler.
[15:05] <farchord> I personnaly don't like KDE4
[15:06] <farchord> I hate the way they made the desktop
[15:06] <andor> you use gnome?
[15:06] <farchord> na KDE3.9
[15:06] <farchord> os[Linux 2.6.24-16-generic i686] distro[Debian lenny/sid] cpu[2 x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ (AuthenticAMD) @ 2.01GHz] mem[Physical: 2.0GB, 79.8% free] disk[Total: 93.1GB, 36.0% free] video[nVidia Corporation G70 [GeForce 7600 GT]] sound[CA0106 - CA01061: USB-Audio - USB Device 0x46d:0x8ca2: USB-Audio - Logitech USB Headset3: MPU-401 UART - MPU-401 UART]
[15:06] <andor> ah ok
[15:06] <BluesKaj> lotta ppl would disagree baudthief , it's a matter of personal taste
[15:06] <baudthief> farchord: yeah buy YOU considered windows vista, therefore all of your oppinions aren't valid :P
[15:07] <eyemon> :(
[15:07] <BluesKaj> but baudthief I'm with you , I do prefer kde 3
[15:07] <farchord> baudthief: hey, I'm dual-booting Vista with kubuntu haha
[15:07] <eyemon> but my kubuntu wont load
[15:07] <baudthief> you deviant! LOL
[15:07] <farchord> baudthief: and I have virtualbox with an XP image lol
[15:07] <farchord> baudthief: I'm a gamer, not all games work in linux
[15:07] <nosrednaekim> yeah.... Vbox + XP ftw
[15:08] <farchord> nosrednaekim: I just l-o-v-e seamless mode
[15:08] <baudthief> farchord: I'm just about to setup my vmware XP install for apps heh
[15:08] <BluesKaj> I wonder if any of the web heavy hitters here are using "moonlight" ?
[15:08] <andor> that day linux got better gamesupport i go over for real :)
[15:08] <baudthief> virtualbox == vmware?
[15:08] <farchord> baudthief: dude screw vmware install virtualbox
[15:08] <farchord> I found virtualbox going better than vmware
[15:08] <baudthief> farchord: alright, geez, don't hurt me please :P
[15:08] <farchord> lol sorry
[15:09] <BluesKaj> andor, buy a game machine , linux wasn't developed for gamerz
[15:09] <nosrednaekim> farchord: I have it set up with Vbox in another Virtual desktop, and I have active desktop borders, so I can just move my mouse to switch between the two :P
[15:09] <baudthief> haha, is it a similar setup to vmware?
[15:09] <eyemon> what is a busybox??
[15:09] <baudthief> nosrednaekim: SOOORRRRAAAYYYYYYY
[15:09] <farchord> baudthief: go get the .deb, it's a 1-step install, then I think you only have to add yourself to the vboxgroup usergroup
[15:09] <farchord> it'll tell ya
[15:09] <nosrednaekim> eyemon: a very very basic command line
[15:09] <andor> BluesKaj: yeha i know, i run grub whit winxp when i have to game now :)
[15:09] <baudthief> my window corners activate the Expo plugin lol
[15:09] <nosrednaekim> baudthief: what?
[15:09] <baudthief> nosrednaekim: nevermind
[15:10] <eyemon> how do i exit it to load kubuntu
[15:10] <farchord> nosrednaekim: I put my XP start bar on top, and the kubuntu bar on the bottom
[15:10] <jonah> hey does anyone know how to change the kmenu icon in kde4, i've asked in kde4 room but not many people around? i wanted to put a kubuntu logo i found there
[15:10] <baudthief> farchord: that's insane ol
[15:10] <jonah> and also: hey guys i've got a second hard drive which shows up no worries in dolphin but i always have to double click it to mount it. how can i have it auto mount or append my fstab to do so cleanly?
[15:10] <BluesKaj> there's alotta games that will run on linux andor , just have to search for them
[15:10] <nosrednaekim> eyemon: uhh oh, you got that on a boot of the liveCD?
[15:10] <baudthief> farchord: getting now, any tips on making a not-so-bloated XP installation?
[15:10] <farchord> baudthief: seamless mode: You can have your XP desktop and windows somewhat all merged with your linux desktop
[15:11] <farchord> baudthief: default install with the basic drivers... that's what I have
[15:11] <eyemon> i dont know
[15:11] <andor> BluesKaj: i know, but i only play strange games hehe
[15:11] <eyemon> my kubuntu wont load
[15:11] <baudthief> farchord: you using a regular XP ISO/etc?
[15:11] <eyemon> this thing comes up
[15:11] <farchord> baudthief: I have a legit version of XP ;)
[15:11] <nosrednaekim> eyemon: thats not good....
[15:11] <baudthief> me too :P
[15:11] <nosrednaekim> eyemon: try booting safe graphics moe
[15:11] <farchord> but na used the CD
[15:11] <nosrednaekim> *mode
[15:12] <farchord> baudthief: want a screenshot?
[15:12] <baudthief> farchord: hell yeah!
[15:12] <farchord> Anyone know a site where you can post temporary screenies?
[15:12] <baudthief> farchord: imagefap.com
[15:12] <baudthief> *cough*
[15:12] <baudthief> NSFW
[15:12] <farchord> wow nice pr0n
[15:12] <farchord> yyyyeah
[15:12] <farchord> not the right site
[15:13] <baudthief> everything you need, you into japanese hentai tentacle pr0n? :P
[15:13] <nosrednaekim> imagebin.ca
[15:13] <farchord> nosrednaekim: thanks
[15:13] <eyemon> its not working
[15:13] <eyemon> :(
[15:13] <eyemon> :(
[15:14] <baudthief> farchord: dare I ask what machine you're runing? CPU/RAM mainly
[15:15] <andor> konqueror is damn like firefox, is a clone or someting ?
[15:17] <farchord> baudthief: http://imagebin.ca/view/rH8jtR.html
[15:17] <farchord> os[Linux 2.6.24-16-generic i686] distro[Debian lenny/sid] cpu[2 x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ (AuthenticAMD) @ 2.01GHz] mem[Physical: 2.0GB, 52.4% free] disk[Total: 93.1GB, 36.1% free] video[nVidia Corporation G70 [GeForce 7600 GT]] sound[CA0106 - CA01061: USB-Audio - USB Device 0x46d:0x8ca2: USB-Audio - Logitech USB Headset3: MPU-401 UART - MPU-401 UART]
[15:18] <baudthief> farchord: *head explodes*
[15:18] <farchord> haha
[15:18] <farchord> <3 virtualbox
[15:19] <farchord> baudthief: and seriously I get absolutely no speed issues.... I run photoshop and flash at the same time in my VM and it runs pretty quick
[15:20] <baudthief> that is pretty damn cool
[15:20] <drif> farchord: too bad timecritial software such as musical sequencers aren't that forgiving.. :-\
[15:20] <hydrogen> andor: do you mean they both have the capability of loading webpages and rendering the html into something that looks appealing to the eye?
[15:20] <farchord> drif: yeah heh
[15:20] <baudthief> farchord: I'm about to start setting it up, as soon as I break 4 pins off the connector on my DVI leads :p
[15:20] <eyemon> where did u get photoshop??
[15:20] <farchord> baudthief: thing is tho, seamless mode (Which is what this is) is not compatible with Compiz
[15:20] <andor> hydrogen: yeha
[15:21] <baudthief> farchord: #@(*&$^(&#@^(&*(#$&
[15:21] <hydrogen> eyemon: The store (or adobe.com)
[15:21] <farchord> afaic, compiz is not gonna run on my desktop heh..... idc much about eye candy
[15:22] <rohan> on my (and everyone who uses backports i guess) system, qt version is 4.4, whereas pyqt is 4.3.3. will it cause problems? when will hardy-backports have python-qt4 4.4, if at all?
[15:22] <kreib> have some images i want to include as equations, what tag can i use to get numbering to the right of the image
[15:22] <hydrogen> andor: then yes, I suppose that just like linux is a clone of windows (they both have the capability of providing users an interface to use their system) and the space shuttle is a clone of the model T ford (both allow for enhanced transportation) konqueror is a clone of firefox
[15:22] <baudthief> farchord: lol I'd live without compiz, but I cant live without my dual monitor setup - something weird is happenning, after setting up twinview, everything is blurrier than usual
[15:23] <farchord> ahh
[15:23] <andor> hehe
[15:23] <farchord> no idea i dont use a dual desktop setup
[15:24]  * baudthief cries
[15:24] <baudthief> nothing is going right today lol
[15:25] <drif> farchord: are you using amd-v with virtualbox?
[15:25] <farchord> drif: yeah
[15:26] <farchord> just wondering, I'm trying to have Songbird running in linux, it looks like it's playing but nothing comes out of the speakers anyone got that?
[15:29] <cappy_> Why when im sitting on PC ,my system just logout me ? im not clicking Ctrl+Alt+Backspace or something else.... can any1 help me ?
[15:30] <thompa> since installing kde4 I get no more Nvidia, also login screen looks ugly, how do I purge kde4??
[15:31] <hydrogen> farchord: I'm pretty sure that the amount of people using songbird is somewhere around 0
[15:32] <farchord> hydrogen: not according to what I'm reading lol
[15:33] <farchord> mah screw it ill stay with amarok
[15:43] <BluesKaj> farchord, I'm looking at the songbird auto-install page and it distinctly says "The script is free and requires you to be using Ubuntu and Gnome."
[15:43] <farchord> ahh
[15:43] <farchord> k then the hell with it
[15:43] <BluesKaj> farchord, http://lifehacker.com/software/linux-tip/automatically-install-songbird-in-ubuntu-267042.php
[15:44] <farchord> guess i could install the gnome desktop but meh
[15:45] <BluesKaj> amarok has it's clunky side but i still prefer it to anything else.
[15:47] <jhutchins> My wife's been getting into pandora, and I'm listening to it now.  Nice to expand my (already large and ecclectic) collection.
[15:48] <BluesKaj> Im still trying to figure out what Silverlight/Moonlight actually does for webpages ?
[15:49] <farchord> BluesKaj: simple. Microsoft's answer to flash.
[15:50] <BluesKaj> farchord, there's a linux version ,Moonlight
[15:50] <farchord> BluesKaj: huh, I'll be damned
[15:51] <thompa> how do i purge kubuntu?
[15:51] <dut> Hello! :-)
[15:51] <BluesKaj> the blogs say it's supposed to be a "universal answer" to all the different graphics engines required by browsers to media on websites
[15:52] <farchord> BluesKaj: odd, thought the 'Made by Microsoft' part would run you off heh
[15:53] <BluesKaj> farchord, I'm an old winders guy , so I don't totally hate it ..I learned about pcs using it , but we must move on :)
[15:54] <farchord> hehe yep
[15:55] <cappy_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12742/ <- why its happening that? im logging out when i receive it .im not clicking Ctrl+Alt+backSpace
[16:00] <cappy_> ?
[16:02] <mattycoze> hey guys, wow - kinda blown away with the kde build of ubuntu 8.04... can someone tell me if it's advisable to remove the gnome enviroment files?
[16:03] <AngelKill> mattycoze: You can remove the Gnome enviorment, but its not suggested, because the Gnome holds a few files that might be needed to help run the system in a stable way.
[16:03] <Jucato> AngelKill: not really
[16:03] <Jucato> !purekde
[16:04] <mattycoze> AngelKill okay... what i did was download the gnome version first (fresh install) and then used apt-get to install the kde version... but gnome defaults seems to be activated by defauly
[16:04] <mattycoze> i like konquer and all the associated programs; amarok ect
[16:05] <AngelKill> Jucato: alright true, but a as a Gnome addict myself, I know its possible but to remove Gnome. But the question is wont it damage the GTK installs that needs the Gnome evnio?
[16:05] <Jucato> Kubuntu and Ubuntu use the same "base". neither GNOME nor KDE is actually necessary to run a stable system
[16:05] <Jucato> AngelKill: not if he wants to remove Gnome
[16:06] <mattycoze> heh
[16:06] <AngelKill> ok, another thing learned :)
[16:06] <Jucato> anyway, you can safely have the two installed with no side effect except for having more apps in your menus and more disk space used
[16:06] <mattycoze> AngelKill so what can and can't i do?
[16:07] <AngelKill> mattycoze: just follow the link provided, it is actually useful but I suggest reading it through before doing any thing
[16:07] <mattycoze> okay
[16:08] <mattycoze> Jucato do you recommend?
[16:09] <mattycoze> just to check, i've got a wireless card and an nvidia card (that's currently working via envy)
[16:09] <Jucato> hm.. there's no technical reason for or against it. it's all up to you whether you want to keep both installed
[16:10] <cappy_> !help
[16:10] <Jucato> but if you're new to KDE, I'd suggest keeping Gnome as backup
[16:10] <mattycoze> okay then
[16:10] <monax> join #ubuntu-ru.
[16:10] <Jucato> er.. new to KDE and Kubuntu. at least until you get a hang of how to drive the thing
[16:10] <cappy_> !nvidia
[16:10] <mattycoze> jucato well i suppose i could always install the gnome files again right?
[16:11] <Jucato> mattycoze: yeah, the package would be "ubuntu-desktop"
[16:11] <mattycoze> ok
[16:14] <_gtt_> ok, what do i have to do to generate all new keys due to the debian openssl flaw?
[16:22] <xsacha> Jucato: you're back!
[16:22] <Jucato> um.. yeah I think so :)
[16:23] <xsacha> Jucato: how was it.. that big break
[16:24] <Jucato> xsacha: so good that I'm tempted to do it again :D
[16:24] <xsacha> :(
[16:25] <favro> _gtt_: #debian might be a go for that if you're registered...
[16:25] <Jucato> _gtt_: I think there are a lot of posts about what to do posted in planet.ubuntu.com
[16:28] <gsa> hi all,how do i get root previleges in wireshark?
[16:28] <gsa> i mean root permissions
[16:29] <crimsun> kdesu wireshark
[16:29] <gsa> tnx ill try that right now
[16:30] <madberry> gtt you mean openssh?
[16:30] <gsa> crimsun ty it works
[16:31] <crimsun> gsa: np
[16:31] <madberry> gtt if you mean ssh then just empty this folder ~/.ssh to create new keys
[16:32] <SlimeyPete> erm, the local ssh keys are in /etc
[16:33] <SlimeyPete> well, mine are anyway.
[16:33] <madberry> not in my case
[16:33] <SlimeyPete> ~/.ssh just contains info pertaining to other systems, for me
[16:33] <farchord> ssh client should be in ~/.ssh
[16:33] <farchord> yes
[16:33] <farchord> ssh server would be somewhere else
[16:34] <SlimeyPete> yeah, and isn't it the server keys that need to be regenerated?
[16:34] <farchord> take it this way, SSH server doesn't run under your username so it can't be under your home folder
[16:34] <madberry> you have to empty the client side to get new keys
[16:34] <farchord> isn't the problem on the server side? And when the client connects it should auto-grab the new keys no?
[16:35] <SlimeyPete> yeah.
[16:35] <farchord> Client abides by the server, so the server is what needs to be fixed
[16:35] <madberry> it doesn't i had the same problem and this fixed it
[16:36] <SlimeyPete> so the vulnkeys util doesn't pick anything up now?
[16:37] <farchord> More infos on that: http://www.linuxsecurity.com/content/view/136970/
[16:39] <SlimeyPete> right... so both may need to be regenerated
[16:39] <madberry> yes but as soon as you delete client side server will create new keys for both
[16:41] <SlimeyPete> madberry: it does? why? surely the local server doesn't care about the local client's keys.
[16:43] <madberry> no the remote server generates the keys right so if the client doesn't have any key new key will be created by the remote server
[16:43] <SlimeyPete> oh... I think we're talking at cross-purposes
[16:43] <SlimeyPete> I am referring to the local server installation
[16:43] <madberry> o ok
[16:43] <SlimeyPete> i.e. a machine with both client and server installed will need to have both sets of keys regenerated.
[16:44] <SlimeyPete> to be safe
[16:44] <madberry> yes
[16:44] <hdevalence> will 8.10 use KDE 4.1?
[16:45] <Daisuke_Ido> hdevalence: presumably, assuming it gets released :D
[16:46] <pag> hdevalence, probably. afaik no final decisions about 8.10 has been made yet though.
[16:46] <Daisuke_Ido> so that's probably a yes
[16:47] <hdevalence> because tbh 4.0 sucks
[16:47] <ubuntu_> hdevalence: Highly likely
[16:47] <ubuntu_> but that's really a   #kubuntu-kde4 discussion
[16:48] <hdevalence> ah
[16:48] <Daisuke_Ido> hdevalence: i agree 100%, 4.0.x is essentially for developers, 4.1 is where it should start to come together for the end users
[16:49] <ubuntu_> 4.2 is where it gets bling!
[16:59] <Diswill> Hello
[17:00] <Diswill> I would like to know if it is possible to run yahoo desktop widgets in hardy 8.04
[17:01] <Diswill> hmmm
[17:02] <Diswill> real quiet in here
[17:02] <ubuntu_> Diswill: no
[17:02] <Diswill> ok, thanks
[17:03] <favro> yaho bites - I never get a return from their entries in google
[17:04] <Diswill> there is one widget I have grow use to I was hopeing to keep it
[17:05] <ubuntu_> UNless they work in superkaramba
[17:05] <Diswill> how would I find out
[17:06] <nic_> Hey
[17:06] <ubuntu_> #superkaramba ? :)
[17:06] <Diswill> hi nic
[17:06] <nic_> how u goin
[17:08] <Diswill> fine playin with widgets
[17:08] <kreib> is there a bug with konqueror showing wrong last write time of files?
[17:14] <andor> where can i find out if i have instaled the gfx driver ?
[17:14] <andor> dont seens like it work
[17:15] <andor> forget it :) i found out
[17:15] <andor> was not activ
[17:18] <m3th0d> ubuntu-fr
[17:18] <m3th0d> oups
[17:18] <m3th0d> sorry
[17:18] <ubuntu_> :-)
[17:26] <McRib> Could someone please suggest a decent Firefox 2 plugin that will allow me to play streaming video (particularly the Quicktime format)?  I'm using Hardy and mozilla-mplayer no longer supports Firefox 2 in Hardy.
[17:28] <ubuntu_> It doesn't ?
[17:28] <ubuntu_> hmm funky
[17:28] <ubuntu_> I just used kmplayer plugin in Konqueror
[17:29] <ubuntu_> Don't recall what I did (if any) for firefox
[17:29] <McRib> ubuntu_: Yeah, the mozilla-mplayer package for hardy has a bug that causes it to depend on Firefox3 (which is actually doesn't)
[17:30] <ubuntu_> McRib: Hit up #ubuntu-devel and ask. Also vote for the bug. See if they will put it in backports
[17:31] <ubuntu_> Shall I assume you removed FF3 ?
[17:35] <eagles05> hey
[17:35] <ubuntu_> yo
[17:42] <fafouille> french channel plz
[17:43] <Bizzeh> hey, i think this is the first time i have installed any linux dist, had all my hardware work, and not have it break my windows install
[17:44] <TimS> !adeptfix
[17:45] <Bizzeh> can i just install compiz-kde via adept and just have it work after a reboot?
[17:46] <ubuntu_> IN theory
[17:46] <ubuntu_> Compiz isn't exactly shipping software so YMMV
[17:51] <digitaloktay> hi
[17:51] <digitaloktay> is firefox 3.0 rc1 ready for kubuntu
[17:51] <digitaloktay> ?
[17:51] <ubuntu_> naaaw
[17:51] <ubuntu_> NOthing's ready for Kubuntu We are that awesome
[17:51] <ubuntu_> :-)
[17:52] <ubuntu_> Really though it takes a while for FF releases to get processed
[17:52] <ubuntu_> Look for it sometime next week is my guess
[17:54] <Bizzeh> also, how would i create a shortcut to /var/www on my desktop?
[17:55] <ubuntu_> ln -s /var/www Desktop/webdocs ?
[18:00] <Dr_willis_> I always get links backwards
[18:01] <fdoving> use konq/dolphin to make links :)
[18:01] <Jucato> fdoving: exactly! :)
[18:01]  * Jucato prefers to use GUI for linking and multiple copy/paste :)
[18:01] <fdoving> Jucato: i don't do that myself, but it probably is a good idea :)
[18:02] <fdoving> i rarely use GUI to manage files, at all.
[18:02] <Jucato> fdoving: I am not so confident with my CLI-fu when it comes to those kinds of operations. specially critical ones :)
[18:03] <Bizzeh> i used ln -s to create a link on my desktop, and i keep getting thise error when i go into it http://rafb.net/p/J8XcVb32.html
[18:03] <fdoving> Jucato: understandable, i started using linux as a server-side operatingsystem with the other OS on clients and workstations, that way i learned the cli-foo first.
[18:04] <Jucato> :D
[18:04] <fdoving> brb. bed(kid);
[18:04] <ubuntu_> Dr_willis_: from to
[18:05] <Dr_willis_> i rember the old amiga command line days. :) it actually had 'from' and 'to' as  keywords... 'copy from foo.bar to foo.two     (or copy to foo.two from foo.bar)
[18:06] <ubuntu_> Bizzeh: Hmm? thats a desktop file
[18:06] <ubuntu_> can you paste the contents of it?
[18:07] <Bizzeh> http://rafb.net/p/RBYPWI64.html
[18:08] <ubuntu_> Jucato: Thanks. Good post
[18:11] <Bizzeh> btw. ubuntu_ that 2nd rafb was the contents of the desktop file
[18:12] <ubuntu_> Bizzeh: ok you said you made a link where is the link
[18:12] <ubuntu_> to /var/www ?
[18:12] <Bizzeh> "ln -s /var/www Desktop/webdocs"
[18:12] <Bizzeh> the webdocs link is on my desktop now, but i keep getting this error
[18:13] <ubuntu_> when you click on it?
[18:13] <ubuntu_> That error is for a right click menu entry
[18:13] <Bizzeh> when i click on it, and it opens up in dolphin
[18:13] <ubuntu_> ah
[18:13] <ubuntu_> did you install that service menu?
[18:14] <ubuntu_> Add as podcast ?
[18:14] <Bizzeh> and i try and right click on the default html file thats in there
[18:14] <Bizzeh> i didnt install anything
[18:14] <ubuntu_> OK let me try something
[18:14] <ubuntu_> btw KDE3 correct?
[18:14] <Bizzeh> all i installed so far was xorg driver for fglrx, apache, php and mysql
[18:14] <Bizzeh> no idea, whatever comes with 8.04
[18:15] <ubuntu_> Bizzeh: Has your K Menu changed from what you are used to ?
[18:15] <Bizzeh> just checked "about kde", its 3.5.9
[18:15] <ubuntu_> Gret
[18:17] <kubuntero> Bizzeh: can you try open Konqueror Press Ctrl+Home Go to desktop and see if it does the same thign?
[18:18] <Bizzeh> no error at all in konq
[18:18] <psych> hi
[18:18] <Toejam> hi
[18:18] <psych> whats the package(s) ive to install tto get a full kde desktop manager?
[18:18] <Toejam> !kde
[18:19] <psych> good
[18:19] <Toejam> Bizzeh: I suppose you could remove that desktop file and stop the error
[18:19] <Toejam> it doesn't seem to do anything useful
[18:19] <Bizzeh> i was thinking that, since i dont use podcasts anyway
[18:20] <Tann> Hello
[18:20] <Toejam> There you go :)
[18:20] <Toejam> Tann: hello
[18:20] <Tann> In Konsole and other terminal programs, when ever i open them up a large number of "~"s keep comming up
[18:21] <Toejam> Your Home key is stuck
[18:21] <psych> is it kde4 for hardy ?
[18:21] <Toejam> psych: If you so desire
[18:21] <Toejam> !kde4
[18:21] <Tann> Toejam: I'm not pressing any keys though
[18:21] <psych> gnomes is having issues
[18:21] <Toejam> Tann: Do they keep coming up or is there one set of them on startup that jsut stay ?
[18:22] <psych> so i cant use apt-get to install kde4
[18:22]  * Toejam waves at uga_
[18:22] <Tann> Toejam: they keep comming up. one after the other as if someone is holding that key down
[18:22] <Toejam> psych: yes. Read the link there
[18:22] <Toejam> Tann: Possibly somethign is holding the key down
[18:22] <Toejam> Tann: Do they come up in kate?
[18:23] <Tann> Toejam: nope
[18:23] <Toejam> Tann: when you type does the cursour try to move around ?
[18:24] <Tann> Toejam: no
[18:24] <Toejam> Tann: Hmm so only Konsole is affected?
[18:25] <Tann> Toejam: That and Konsole Based apps (ex. Yakuake). Also some gnope programs keep switching between full screen and not. (ex. gnome terminal and firefox))
[18:27] <bradhex> Hello, new to kubuntu and using 8.0.4. I'm trying to disable ALL the system notifications but can not find any setting that I might be able to disable. Any help?
[18:27] <Toejam> Yakuake is konsole
[18:27] <Toejam> sues teh kpart
[18:27] <Toejam> Tann: that would probably be F11 stuck then
[18:28] <Toejam> Uses the kpart
[18:28] <mkultras> bradhex: the sytem notifications are in system settings
[18:28] <mkultras> its just called notifications
[18:29] <bradhex> mkultras, i have looked over that, but there isn't exactly anything to disable short of removing the devices under "Notifications"
[18:29] <Bizzeh> also
[18:29] <Tann> Toejam: kpart?
[18:29] <Bizzeh> i installed phpMyAdmin via adept, but i cant seem to access it via localhost/phpMyAdmin
[18:29] <Tann> Toejam: thats weird
[18:29] <Bizzeh> where is it supposed to install to?
[18:30] <mkultras> bradhex: like if you unchecked all the boxes you wont get any
[18:30] <psych> ty
[18:30] <bradhex> mkultras, there are no checkboxes to...check
[18:30] <Tann> Toejam: thanks
[18:31] <Toejam> Tann: that was it eh ?
[18:31] <mkultras> bradhex: ah must be on the wrong page theres not devices on my notifications page, are you in kde 3.5.9
[18:31] <mkultras> ?
[18:31] <bradhex> mkultras, no, I'm using kde 4.0
[18:31] <bradhex> mkultras, I just have a list of sound cards and an option to prefer or defer
[18:32] <jussi01> bradhex: #kubuntu-kde4 for kde4 support :)
[18:32] <McRib> I'm using Konversation in Hardy (Gnome) and whenever I click on URL links, it refuses to open in any browser.  I've tried setting the custom browser option but still no dice... any ideas?
[18:32] <talavis> Bizzeh: It should be possible to check in Adept; select the package, choose details and then the installed files tab
[18:32] <bradhex> haha, from room to room =) thanks.
[18:33] <Bizzeh> hmmn
[18:33] <Bizzeh> it doesnt have the description for what i believe to be phpmyadmin
[18:33] <Bizzeh> its describing some Py templating system
[18:34] <talavis> Bizzeh: i think it should be possible to check the details anyway
[18:34] <Toejam> Bizzeh: Details -> installed files
[18:35] <mkultras> omg i just killed the first mosquito of the year
[18:35] <mkultras> inside my apt too
[18:37] <uga> guys, shouldn't /etc/resolv.conf override any DNS?
[18:37] <uga> firefox is behaving stupid here, and I really don't know why
[18:40] <Bizzeh> is there a sidebar for kde like the one in vista?
[18:40] <fdoving> uga: yeah, but network-connection apps, like network-manager and others might modify the resolv.conf file.
[18:40] <Toejam> Or ignore it
[18:40] <uga> fdoving: that might explain, thanks
[18:40]  * Toejam hates on Network manager
[18:41] <uga> fdoving: somehow firefox picks up the correct IP resolve first, but after a few clicks, it goes to an older one, so until the whole dns thing is set up, I'm trying to override it
[18:41] <fdoving> uga: are you configuring your network via DHCP? - you can override dhcp settings in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[18:41] <uga> it's like after a while it uses a different name server
[18:41] <uga> ah nice idea, yes
[18:42] <fdoving> uga: have a look at "prepend" and "superseed" (or somethingl ike that)
[18:42] <uga> yes, there's a prepending option
[18:43] <uga> fdoving: resolv.conf wasn't altered though
[18:43] <uga> can networkmanager it override resolv.conf settings without altering it?
[18:44] <fdoving> uga: not that i'm aware of, no.
[18:45] <Toejam> !adeptfix
[18:48] <McRib> I'm using Konversation in Hardy (Gnome) and whenever I click on URL links, it refuses to open in any browser.  I've tried setting the custom browser option but still no dice... any ideas?
[18:51] <morphius> When I try to mount a drive I get mount: unknown filesystem type 'linux_raid_member'
[18:51] <morphius>  It used to be a member of a raid aray, but I reformatted it
[18:52] <morphius>  I also changed the type to 83 (Linux) in fdisk
[18:52] <morphius>  I commented out "ARRAY /dev/md0 level=raid0 num-devices=4 UUID=ea89faf9:d8d09d48:606c7615:a045ad62" in mdadm.conf too
[18:55] <lovre>  is there a way to open/edit files from MS Office 2007, from linux? Does OpenOffice have this compatibility?
[18:56] <radius_> yes
[18:56] <radius_> :)
[18:56] <radius_> with word excel and powerpoint
[18:57] <Toejam> lovre: Pretty much as long as tehy are not too elaborate
[18:57] <Toejam> Kexi should be able to open access files as well
[19:00] <hawkeyex> does anyone know how to make my printer default to hp6280? because when I try to print something, it always selects PDF first
[19:01] <kblin> hi folks
[19:03] <kblin> I'm trying to get a movie off a DV camera. any recommendations for a program to do this?
[19:03] <darksoul> Hey
[19:03] <kblin> I don't need to edit it, just get it off in a lossless fashion
[19:04] <darksoul> Can anyone help me with installing Nvidia drivers for Kubuntu, I attempted to use the package manager earlier but my screen blanked out
[19:04] <Toejam> kblin: try open konqueror and type camera:/
[19:06] <darksoul> Can anyone hear me?
[19:06] <kblin> Toejam: no go
[19:06] <radius_> lmao
[19:06] <kblin> darksoul: yes, but I don't know anything about the nvidia drivers
[19:07] <Toejam> !nvidia
[19:07] <Toejam> kblin: I'll assume it doesn't mount as a device ?
[19:08] <kblin> Toejam: looking at dmesg, it creates a /dev/raw1394 device,  but it's rw only for root:disk
[19:08] <kblin> so kino can't open it
[19:09] <kblin> hm, nm
[19:09] <kblin> kdesu kino works
[19:10] <Toejam> :-)
[19:11] <rmribeiro> hola
[19:11] <rmribeiro> ayuda?
[19:12] <Toejam> !es
[19:12] <rmribeiro> thanx
[19:13] <Toejam> Buena
[19:13] <rmribeiro> anybody can helpme with firefox
[19:13] <Toejam> !ask
[19:14] <hawkeyex> does anyone know how to make my printer default to hp6280? because when I try to print something, it always selects PDF first
[19:14] <rmribeiro> where is firefox in hardy?
[19:14] <Toejam> in Kubuntu ?
[19:14] <Toejam> not installed
[19:15] <rmribeiro> y
[19:15] <Toejam> install the Firefox package
[19:15] <rmribeiro> how
[19:15] <Toejam> It has neer been installed in Kubuntu
[19:15] <Toejam> alt+space -> type adept -> press enter
[19:16] <rmribeiro> i unistall
[19:16] <rmribeiro> and dont know how install, sorry my english is very bad
[19:16] <darksoul> I got a problem here, I just installed Kubuntu and according to Monitor and Display - system settings I have a max res of 1280x1024 but my monitor is 1680x1050
[19:16] <rmribeiro> and apt and actitude no found firefox
[19:17] <Toejam> rmribeiro: oh?
[19:17] <Toejam> sudo apt-get install firefox does not work?
[19:17] <rmribeiro> no
[19:18] <rmribeiro> rmribeiro@rmribeiro-desktop:~/Download/makefusion$ sudo apt-get install firefox
[19:18] <rmribeiro> Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho
[19:18] <rmribeiro> Creando árbol de dependencias... Hecho
[19:18] <rmribeiro> El paquete firefox no está disponible, pero algún otro paquete hace referencia
[19:18] <gtt> argh
[19:18] <rmribeiro> a él. Esto puede significar que el paquete falta, está obsoleto o sólo se
[19:18] <rmribeiro> encuentra disponible desde alguna otra fuente
[19:18] <rmribeiro> Sin embargo, los siguientes paquetes lo reemplazan:
[19:18] <rmribeiro>   libnss3
[19:18] <rmribeiro> E: El paquete firefox no tiene candidato para su instalación
[19:18] <rmribeiro> packet not found
[19:19] <gtt> i've got one ssh server that I can't get it to update the package (doesnt find a new one) and so every key it creates is compromised.
[19:19] <gtt> can anyone help?
[19:19] <nohelphere> i need to scan images what is a good tool 2?
[19:19] <nohelphere> use
[19:19] <Toejam> kooka
[19:19] <gtt> nohelphere: xsane or kooka
[19:20] <Toejam> gtt: copy it across
[19:23] <Toejam> rmribeiro: sudo apt-get update first
[19:26] <rmribeiro> i find openoffice, libnspr4 and libnss3, but not firefox
[19:26] <Toejam> hmm
[19:26] <Toejam> apt-cache policy firefox
[19:27] <rmribeiro> no installed and not candidate
[19:27] <Toejam> But you get information?
[19:28] <rmribeiro> this info
[19:28] <Toejam> 3.0~b5+nobinonly-0ubuntu3
[19:28] <rmribeiro> y can paste here?
[19:28] <Toejam> You see that ?
[19:28] <Toejam> !paste
[19:28] <rmribeiro> i can?
[19:29] <rmribeiro> !paste
[19:29] <Toejam> no use the http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[19:29] <Toejam> fdoving: ping
[19:30] <rmribeiro> ok
[19:30] <rmribeiro> ready
[19:30] <Toejam> 3.0~b5+nobinonly-0ubuntu3
[19:30] <Toejam> Do you see that when you do apt-cache policy firefox ?
[19:30] <rmribeiro> yes
[19:30] <Toejam> and sudo apt-get install firefox doesn't work ?
[19:30] <rmribeiro> undestand the screen in spanish?
[19:31] <rmribeiro> nop
[19:31] <Toejam> Hmmm
[19:31] <Toejam> well if  the errors are all in spanish then #kubuntu-es may be easier
[19:32] <fdoving> Toejam: ack.
[19:32] <rmribeiro> thanx toejam
[19:33] <Toejam> fdoving: I was asking for a temp kick of chalcedony
[19:33] <Toejam> they decided to stay off so it's ok now
[19:33] <fdoving> ah ok :)
[19:35] <Toejam> rmribeiro: Let me know what the problem is if you fix it
[19:36] <gwp> k guys, maybe some1 here can help
[19:36] <Bizzeh> hmmn, no bin only can be taken the wrong way when writen like that
[19:37] <Bizzeh> ie, how i read it first.. nob in only
[19:37] <gwp> I am having world of warcraft issues, game loaded fine before, i installed the expansion, and now it crashes at the log in screen
[19:37] <OmnificienT> hello
[19:37] <OmnificienT> Could someone explain the difference between the desktop and the alternate versions?
[19:37] <gwp> hows it going OmnificienT
[19:38] <OmnificienT> im ok
[19:38] <jussi01> OmnificienT: simply the desktop takes you to a full ubuntu environment (loads ubuntu) where as the alternate only installs ubuntu.
[19:38] <thor> good evening every one
[19:38] <gwp> OmnificienT: you mean the multidesk? Its just an extension of your primary desktop, some people play games on 2 and do work on 1, so their old lady doesnt know they are gaming
[19:38] <jussi01> both have the same end pruduct after install
[19:39] <gwp> ahh, i didnt understand his question
[19:39] <OmnificienT> Oh thanks :p I couldn't find that information.
[19:39] <jussi01> OmnificienT: :)
[19:39] <OmnificienT> Well bye ;-)
[19:39] <gwp> anyone know anything about that wow issue I have?
[19:39] <thor> could some one please help me with installing vmware server on 8.04 64bit
[19:39] <Toejam> jussi01: Not really
[19:39] <Toejam> but pretty simplified :)
[19:40] <Toejam> !vmware
[19:40] <Toejam> I forget if we have a vmware server pacakage
[19:40] <Toejam> gwp: Wht version of WOW?
[19:40] <Toejam> gwp: Likely that #winehq would be better at fielding that
[19:40] <gwp> Toejam: the latest update with burning crusade
[19:41] <Toejam> gwp: Wait sorry I meant version of Wine :)
[19:41] <gwp> aww
[19:41] <gwp> 0.9.59
[19:42] <Toejam> Yeah they should have info on that in #winehq
[19:42] <Toejam> Lets just say WOW is a app they hear about a lot
[19:42] <thor> not available for Gutsy, only Feisty and Edgy
[19:43] <thor> I am running 8.04
[19:43] <Toejam> Well you are on Hardy so...
[19:44] <thor> well so it seems vmware server is not in the repository so I downloaded the tarball
[19:44] <thor> and followed the help onlin e
[19:44] <thor> but well it seems no matter what i try it dont whant to worjk
[19:46] <thor> no one here who can actualy help me with this problim
[19:46] <Toejam> thor: I'm not sure is it in the new packages repo ?
[19:47] <thor> no it's not in the repository I have all of them enabled
[19:48] <Toejam> Hmm
[19:48] <Toejam> what error do you get?
[19:49] <edju> Anyone w/ a pointer for a solution to the kaffeine "xine was unable to initialize any sound drivers"?  All I could find on Google was foe SUSE - not relevant.
[19:49] <edju> *foe*for*
[19:49] <Toejam> I've no idea about vmware btw I'm just seeing if it's something non-obvious rather than vmware specific
[19:49] <thor> VMware Server is installed, but it has not been (correctly) configured for the running kernel. To (re-)configure it, invoke the following command:
[19:50] <user__> how do I sudo cp everything in a directory?
[19:50] <Toejam> user__: to where?
[19:51] <user__> new firefox rc1
[19:51] <user__> I want to overwite my old stuff
[19:51] <Toejam> user__: umm
[19:51] <user__> don't want to sudo cp each thing
[19:51] <Toejam> well you could mv the dir and not lose everything
[19:51] <user__> directory is: /usr/lib/firefox-3.0b5/
[19:52] <user__> won't let me drag and drop so I guess I need to sudo
[19:52] <Toejam> and you really should probably be having external packages in a seperate place from system installed ones
[19:52] <Toejam> yes you do but I would advise to install FFRc1 in a personal dir
[19:52] <user__> I see
[19:52] <user__> so I just extracted it
[19:52] <Toejam> if you want a system wide RC1 ubuntu will be providing packages soon
[19:52] <user__> how come when I click the executable nothing happens
[19:53] <user__> ie firefox-bin
[19:53] <Toejam> I don't know :) maybe it's erroring out ?
[19:53] <Toejam> run it from the command line
[19:53] <user__> ok
[19:53] <Toejam> cd to the dir and then ./firefox
[19:53] <Toejam> see if it throws errors
[19:54] <user__> ah
[19:54] <user__> that worked
[19:54] <user__> cool
[19:54] <Toejam> :-)
[19:54] <user__> what is ./firefox?
[19:54] <user__> ./
[19:54] <user__> make firefox?
[19:55] <Toejam> it runs an executable file in this dir
[19:55] <Toejam> . means here
[19:55] <user__> is there a way to make a shortcut?
[19:55] <Toejam> sure
[19:55] <Toejam> where do you want it?
[19:55] <user__> desktop would be great
[19:55] <user__> or my start menu
[19:55] <McRib> start menu :P
[19:55] <user__> um
[19:55] <Toejam> right click the desktop and LInk to application
[19:55] <user__> KMenu
[19:56] <Toejam> new -> Link to application
[19:56] <Toejam> 3rd tab
[19:56] <digitaloktay> how can i compile the new version of firefox?
[19:56] <user__> ah that was so easy
[19:56] <user__> thanks toejam
[19:56] <Toejam> make sure the work path is the dir that you extracted
[19:56] <user__> yup, just like windows
[19:56] <user__> very intuitive
[19:56] <Toejam> and the application is of course Windows :)
[19:57] <Toejam> Doh
[19:57] <Toejam> Firefox
[19:57] <Toejam> You broke my train!
[19:57] <user__> actually strange
[19:57]  * Toejam watches his train of thought fly off the tracks
[19:57] <user__> it seems to be permanently loading
[19:57] <user__> Loading application...
[19:57] <user__> nothing
[19:57] <user__> '/home/user/Desktop/firefox-3.0rc1/firefox/firefox-bin'
[19:58] <user__> do I need to put ./firefox-bin?
[19:58] <Toejam> no
[19:58] <user__> so that should work yes
[19:58] <Toejam> I guess. I've not tried firefox since it' started depending on xul-runner
[19:58] <user__> it's just loading and then disappearing
[19:59] <user__> I have to use it for my language studying
[19:59] <Toejam> in the konsole try ./firefox-bin &
[19:59] <user__> I prefer konq
[19:59] <user__> yeah that worked before
[19:59] <user__> loaded up instantly
[19:59] <user__> I don't understand what my shortcut is doing :P
[19:59] <Toejam> Yeah. I dunno Firefox has been strange for me since Gutsy
[20:00] <Toejam> I either have to start it like 5 times or run it from Konsole
[20:00] <user__> oh I'm retarded
[20:00] <user__> LOL
[20:00] <user__> Command!=work path haha
[20:00] <Toejam> user__: :-)
[20:00] <user__> *sorry*
[20:00] <Toejam> Work path is without executable
[20:00] <user__> ok works great now
[20:00] <Toejam> the command is with
[20:00] <user__> yes I see
[20:01] <user__> I just looked at diff shortcut
[20:01] <Toejam> well we will excuse your being retarded then :)
[20:01] <user__> heh
[20:01] <user__> thank you
[20:01] <Toejam> enjoy RC1 :)
[20:01] <user__> another question just for shits and grins
[20:01] <user__> do you know why xorg uses so much memory?
[20:02] <Toejam> Ubuntu should have a package soon and it should obsolete that
[20:02] <user__> I mean, it's not affecting my usability, I was just curious
[20:02] <user__> ah good
[20:02] <Toejam> user__: Memory is black magic in UNIX systems
[20:02] <user__> I heard it's very efficient
[20:02] <duane> is there something i have do get broadcom bcm4310 wireless card working in kubuntu??
[20:02] <Toejam> Oh yes very
[20:02] <Toejam> that's the problem :)
[20:02] <user__> yes
[20:02] <user__> I use same chip
[20:03] <user__> ndiswrapper
[20:03] <Toejam> things share so much memoory and feed off each other so much you can't tell very well how much memory this onething is using
[20:03] <user__> one sec, I know a great tutorial
[20:03] <duane> there a b43-fcutter that work or no user__ ?
[20:03] <Toejam> duane: user__ is getting you a walkthrough
[20:03] <user__> its crappy compared to the windows driver
[20:03] <user__> less range/speed
[20:03] <user__> ndiswrapper=very efficient
[20:04] <DFlame> s'pretty easy to get ndiswrapper going if you read the instructions right
[20:04] <duane> there was a no fuss guide i used before that worked awesome
[20:04] <duane> cant find it now
[20:04] <Toejam> user__: So xorg has all this apps running on top of it. Which all add to it's memory count but some of it is explicitly X and some isn't. So .. yeah Xorg will always report a lot of memory used but it's more a marking stick than hard and fast
[20:05] <Toejam> as you open more apps the memory goes up but a lot of it is likely shared
[20:05] <Toejam> so you may have say 12 Megs (pulled this number out of nowhere) that is reported multiple time across multiple libraries and apps
[20:06] <user__> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=760568
[20:06] <user__> Toejam: indeed...
[20:06] <user__> that's the tut link btw, worked great for me
[20:06] <Toejam> We are getting better and better at giving a good judgement of the state of each thread but just because so much memory is reused it's really hard to say exactly
[20:07] <user__> fascinating stuff
[20:07] <duane> there is a no fuss one I found before darn it
[20:07] <user__> I'm using default kubuntu install, but even so it's very snappy
[20:07] <Toejam> In Windows a lot of apps ship their own libs even if it's redundant so you get a better handle of exactly how much memory they are using but you also have far less real memory available
[20:07] <Toejam> Thanks We try to make it a nice balance between clean and useful
[20:07] <user__> well Vista and XP do it differently for sure
[20:08] <user__> toejam=you part of the Kubuntu team?
[20:08] <Toejam> In spirit :-)
[20:08] <user__> Kubuntu kicks ass
[20:08] <user__> nuff said
[20:09] <user__> Got my install up in running in 1hr 30 minutes and I'm bittergreen
[20:09] <user__> up in running as in everything I could ever want/need :)
[20:09] <user__> ndiswrapper-no prob because so many explanations how to do it
[20:10] <uga> user__: you forgot changing the wallpaper
[20:10] <uga> that'll be 10 mins more
[20:10] <user__> yes my look completely modified
[20:10] <user__> color scheme, kicker, wall
[20:11] <user__> took me not long at all, I had a template going in :)
[20:11] <Toejam> ha ha :-)
[20:11] <Toejam> Hopefully in KDE4 you can just upload that template for use worldwide :)
[20:11] <uga> no please!
[20:11] <user__> I'm really looking forward to using KDE4 full up
[20:11] <user__> Hope 4.1 is a triumph
[20:11] <uga> I already hate there's so many useless wallpapers uploaded at kde-look
[20:12] <user__> I'm already impressed, but I'm using 3.59 because I use Kubuntu for school and such
[20:12] <uga> some people look at their shitty snapshots and understand them as art...
[20:12] <Toejam> uga: that's what rating systems are for :)
[20:12] <uga> so they just upload them =)
[20:12] <user__> I'm using Eos the KDE4 wallpaper at the moment
[20:12] <user__> crystal modified with my color scheme
[20:12] <user__> they make it so easy to play with the theme options
[20:12] <user__> looks just so cool, and so intuitive to do it
[20:13] <uga> Toejam: unfortunately, antyhign close to Vista gets a 99% positive score
[20:13] <user__> well, Vista looks pretty cool I think
[20:13] <user__> but it's so damn overdone
[20:13] <uga> people are unimaginative and ratings aren't of much use
[20:13] <uga> user__: it looks black
[20:13] <user__> I'm just tired of seeing the cookie cutter stuff
[20:13] <uga> black
[20:13] <uga> =)
[20:13] <yordan> salut
[20:13] <yordan> hy
[20:13] <user__> how many times can you do the exact same theme?
[20:14] <uga> user__: I think there are like 100 of them in kde-look
[20:14] <user__> heh
[20:14] <uga> and considering some users might not have uploaded it...
[20:14] <user__> wait, wait!
[20:14] <uga> I calculate around 25421 different themesw of Vista clones exist for linux ;)
[20:14] <user__> mine is like...1 pixel different around the borders!!!!11!
[20:14] <uga> lol
[20:15] <user__> 1 pixel=complete difference dude!
[20:15] <user__>  /sarcasm
[20:15] <user__> in any case, kubuntu is epic win
[20:15] <_StefanS_> hey.. anyone have a good howto on compiz with kde3 ? (kubuntu 8.04)
[20:15] <uga> !compiz
[20:16] <_StefanS_> sweet thanks
[20:16] <user__> Desktop Effects: Install :P
[20:16] <uga> user__: it's pretty broken by default
[20:16] <user__> neutered that is
[20:16] <uga> it's got double shadows, some coming from kde3 and some other coming from compiz that go rendering wrong
[20:17] <uga> it really looks bad
[20:17] <user__> yes
[20:17] <user__> I'm just using kwin
[20:17] <user__> and I have a blacklisted card (965gm)
[20:17] <_StefanS_> the thing is that I've grown pretty tired with nvidia and 2d, want to make the desktop 3d to avoid the slowdown
[20:17] <user__> but I'll figure it out sometime
[20:17] <user__> kwin on kde4 is what I want :)
[20:17] <scifi>  hi guys, get my new lappy soon, just wanted to know if its IGP has any issues with compatability on linux, its an Intel 950GMA
[20:18] <user__> I don't think so
[20:18] <user__> I think 915/950 is fine
[20:18] <_StefanS_> scifi: very nice support, you shouldn't have any issues
[20:18] <user__> 965/3100=problems
[20:19] <_StefanS_> I will go with igp next time.. ati and nvidia should just go away (had both on my previous thinkpads )
[20:19] <scifi> thankgod for that, it comes preloaded with vista, which apparently has issues with it, so if i experience problems i'll defo be slapping kubuntu on it
[20:20] <user__> slap it on anyway ^_^
[20:20] <Toejam> !hardware
[20:20] <Toejam> I wonder if that's maintained
[20:20] <user__> !intel965 whhhhhhyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
[20:20] <digitaloktay> !hi
[20:20] <digitaloktay> !test
[20:20] <scifi> and will performance be ok because ive seen a few worrying OLD forum posts that they had sluggish performance with this IGP?
[20:20] <Calvin> Am I allowed to ask questions her?
[20:21] <digitaloktay> !firefox
[20:21] <user__> Only one way to find out
[20:21] <Toejam> !ask
[20:21] <user__> !konqueror
[20:21] <user__> !why not?
[20:21] <user__> heh
[20:21] <user__> guess not
[20:21] <Calvin> I'd like to install kubuntu on my pc
[20:21] <Toejam> !botabuse | user__
[20:21] <uga> !konqui
[20:21] <_StefanS_> gotta try this compiz thingy out
[20:21] <uga> !konqi
[20:21] <uga> !browser
[20:21] <ArKabZol> !poop
[20:21] <user__> heh
[20:21] <ArKabZol> D=
[20:21] <Toejam> Calvin: good welcoeme :)
[20:21] <scifi> i guess it will handle all kde's candy ok???
[20:22] <user__> yes
[20:22] <Toejam> ArKabZol, uga, user__: Please PM the bot
[20:22] <Calvin> I am using Gentoo Linux now
[20:22] <user__> Calvin: go for it
[20:22] <Toejam> It's hilarious but people need help in here :)
[20:22] <user__> than kubuntu will be retard easy for you
[20:22] <Toejam> Calvin: Ok what would you like to know
[20:22] <ArKabZol> Meh. leaves
[20:22] <scifi> lmao @ retard easy
[20:22] <Toejam> scifi: Define eye candy
[20:23] <Calvin> Is there a howto where I can find something about encrypted root file system?
[20:23] <Toejam> !luks
[20:23]  * uga P(oop) M(assages) the bot
[20:23] <Toejam> what?
[20:23] <scifi> Toejam: transparency effects etc
[20:23] <Toejam> scifi: Oh then yes
[20:23] <scifi> :DDDDDDDD
[20:23] <Toejam> Calvin: Hold on :)
[20:23] <Toejam> But yes you can have encryted file system
[20:23] <scifi> i didnt mean compiz/3d stuff :)
[20:24] <Calvin> I want encrypted root file system.
[20:24] <user__> *sigh*
[20:24] <digitaloktay> Service Temporarily Unavailable ---------------> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion
[20:24] <user__> why do they make compiz so kde unfriendly?
[20:24] <Toejam> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystemHowto
[20:24] <user__> have to install 60mb of useless gnome libraries
[20:24] <Toejam> user__: It's based on metacity so it's very gnome centric
[20:24] <Calvin> I found that link, but it was not helpful
[20:24] <user__> I didn't know that
[20:25] <Toejam>  was started in Redhat so it's based on tools they use
[20:25] <scifi> im just expecting a really sluggish vista experience, so just wanted to check a few things in advance regarding kubuntu
[20:25] <user__> metacity, that's the gnome wm yes?
[20:25] <Toejam> Calvin: What are you looking for?
[20:25] <Toejam> user__: Yes
[20:25] <user__> hm
[20:26] <user__> Lol ubuntu guys have some fast servers...
[20:26] <Calvin> Well, I am used to Gentoo -> bash commands
[20:26] <Toejam> http://learninginlinux.wordpress.com/2008/04/23/installing-ubuntu-804-with-full-disk-encryption/ ?
[20:26] <Toejam> user__: except at release time
[20:26] <Toejam> sloooooooow
[20:27] <user__> heh
[20:27] <Toejam> cause you know you HAVE to upgrade the day it comes out. Its the law!
[20:27] <user__> I AM THE LAW
[20:28] <Toejam> Calvin: does that link help^^^ ?
[20:28] <scifi> hope to get the claimed 4-6 hrs battery life from this lappy :DD
[20:28] <user__> what kind of laptop?
[20:28] <user__> ie company
[20:28] <scifi> user__: Samsung Q35
[20:28] <Toejam> scifi: doubtful
[20:28] <user__> ah those are nice
[20:28] <Toejam> Linuxisn't power friendly yet
[20:28] <Calvin> I read that I can install an encryptet file system with the ubuntu installer, but I did'nt find the option.
[20:29] <Toejam> with powertop this should get much better quickly though
[20:29] <scifi> Toejam: thats something i asked in here about the other day, and apparently there ARE power management options?
[20:29] <Toejam> Calvin: Were you using the dsktop CD?
[20:29] <Toejam> desktop
[20:29] <Calvin> yes
[20:29] <Toejam> scifi: Yes there are but apps aren't written to be power friendly
[20:30] <Toejam> Calvin: Highly doubt it would be there. Check the alternate CD
[20:30] <Toejam> that has many many more options of installing
[20:30] <Calvin> Maybe it is there, because I don't know where it should be.
[20:30] <Toejam> Desktop is the streamlined default install kind of with no questions asked
[20:31] <Toejam> Calvin: It won't be on the desktop CD get the alternate CD
[20:31] <Calvin> Where do I start looking for it?
[20:31] <Toejam> releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/8.04
[20:31] <Toejam> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/8.04
[20:31] <scifi> Toejam: now im worried again :s
[20:32] <Toejam> Stright pull or torrent if you like
[20:32] <Toejam> scifi: It's not going to hold your laptop against the wall with a knife and take away it's powerlunch
[20:32] <Calvin> I downloaded this file file:///home/cbarcley/kubuntu-kde4-8.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[20:32] <Toejam> scifi: But there are quite a few scenarios that Windows will get better battery life
[20:32] <Calvin> I have to take the alternate CD? Ok THX
[20:33] <Toejam> Calvin: You want kubuntu-kde4-8.04-alternate-amd64.iso
[20:33] <Toejam> scifi: It's already gotten a lot better over the last year when Intel put out powertop
[20:33] <Toejam> KDE4 is built to extend battery life
[20:34] <Toejam> Databases like sqlite and wifi management apps are all now being looked at in terms of power over snappiness so expect it to get a lot better over the next two years
[20:34] <user__> woo yeah
[20:34] <user__> I got compiz
[20:34] <Toejam> No my friend
[20:34] <Toejam>  Compiz got you
[20:35] <user__> haha
[20:35] <user__> question
[20:35] <user__> something I can do to make my desktop less sexy?
[20:35] <pim> Hello I like to know how to acces windows partitions from within kubuntu.
[20:35] <exp_> PLZ Halp!! trying to  auto mount a new SATA drive via fstab.  It is located on /dev/sdb (ext3 filesystem) -- additional hard drive.  I used gparted to create the filesystem and format
[20:35] <user__> I'm kind of overpowered by its sexiness
[20:36] <scifi> Toejam: im only likely to be using the lappy for browsing, basic image editing, some video/music playing, so in this scenario, how does kubuntu handle battery life?
[20:36] <user__> scifi: very well
[20:36] <user__> at least on my laptop
[20:36] <user__> there is adjustable power settings
[20:36] <scifi> i was told kde 4 is still quite unstable tho...altho will perhaps be better a few months
[20:36] <user__> you can adjust how much power is given to your cpu
[20:37] <scifi> kewl
[20:37] <user__> and there are dynamic settings
[20:37] <pim> How can I acces a windows partition from within ubuntu?
[20:37] <poolgeorge> Does anyone know how to get an HP Color laserjet working in 7.10?
[20:37] <david_> ola
[20:38] <user__> pim: open up dolphin, go to storage media
[20:38] <user__> it will ask for your password
[20:38] <user__> voila
[20:38] <Toejam> pim: Mount them
[20:38] <Toejam> !mount
[20:38] <Toejam> scifi: Pretty well
[20:38] <Toejam> scifi: It's stable but annoying
[20:38] <Toejam> !hp
[20:38] <user__> well, on a default install he has automount
[20:39] <user__> should work out of box
[20:39] <Toejam> !printer
[20:39] <Toejam> poolgeorge: ^^^ :-)
[20:39] <Thiva> !mount
[20:39] <pim> user_ Thanks!
[20:39] <Toejam> scifi: 4.0 = very stable but very boring
[20:39] <user__> my pleasure :)
[20:40] <Toejam> scifi: 4.1 should berak one of those truths :)
[20:40] <scifi> really? hmmm getting conflicting opinions on stability then
[20:40] <Toejam> scifi: Don't mistake stabilty for features
[20:40] <Toejam> 4.0 is stable but has a van plus a paddywagon of missing features
[20:41] <scifi> im not, but maybe other peeps are when telling me these thigns :P
[20:41] <Toejam>  there are lots of regressions in comparison to KDE3.4.x
[20:41] <scifi> regression??!! :O
[20:41] <fdoving> it's not comparable to 3.5.
[20:41] <fdoving> it's different.
[20:41] <Toejam> scifi: Yes. Things that used to work now they don't
[20:41] <fdoving> not a new 3.5.
[20:41] <Toejam> exactly
[20:41] <scifi> hmmmm
[20:42] <Toejam> somethings that you are used to in KDE3 are very different
[20:42] <gwp> There is something wrong with my install where I get an error code at bootup
[20:42] <scifi> perhaps thats what they mean by "stability" then..... but what i meant was the wdm crashing etc
[20:42] <Toejam> scifi: If you wanna try it there is a live Cd if you are scared by all means wait till reviews of 4.1 come rolling in in two months
[20:42] <gwp> something about my hard drive sectors.
[20:42] <Toejam> what's the error code?
[20:43] <gwp> let me log in here in windows, and i'll reboot kubuntu
[20:43] <Toejam> scifi: I've had 4.0 as the only environment on my sole work computer since Feb.
[20:43] <user__> how do I do the desktop cube
[20:43] <user__> I have it enabled
[20:43] <Toejam> Alt_+Ctrl+Left
[20:43] <pim> In Amarok I want to create a music collection, but I cant seem to be able to select subdirectories. How can I select subdirectories?
[20:43] <scifi> Toejam: an no crashes ? does wifi work ok?
[20:44] <Toejam> user__: There is a keyboard shortcuts section for all the plugins in Compiz. Just look at them before you close out
[20:44] <NickPresta> pim, select "scan folders recursively to get children folders from a parent.
[20:44] <Toejam> scifi: Wifi sucks. Bad in 4.0 but I don't use wifi anywhere I go
[20:44] <Toejam> scifi: so it's very much a if it fits you release
[20:44] <andres> Hi, I have a little problem with compiz in kubuntu, some times, mostly in konqueror, the  contents of the window is not well repainted, what can I do?
[20:45] <pim> NickPresta I like to search only specific sub-folders, not the entire folder.
[20:45] <Calvin> Toejam are you using KDE 4
[20:45] <user__> ahhh
[20:45] <user__> kwd crashed
[20:45] <poolgeorge> toejam: I know all this. I cant find a single working driver. The 1500 is a "winprinter".
[20:46] <scifi> Toejam: so perhaps go with 3.5 until 4.1 is released?
[20:47] <gwp> The error message is: Error 18: Selected cylinder exceedsmaximumsupported by BIOS press any key to continue.... Where i am forced to load generic
[20:47] <Calvin> I have KDE 4.0 installed, but I think it's not useable for daily use
[20:48] <Calvin> @scifi I will do that.
[20:48] <scifi> k :)
[20:49] <Calvin> Have you tried KDE 4 yet?
[20:49] <gwp> With getting the 'Error 18:' at boot up, is it recommended that I reinstall?
[20:49] <gwp> and why would I getthat?
[20:50] <pim> gwp did you check your cd for errors?
[20:50] <Toejam> Calvin: yes
[20:51] <Toejam> pim: You should be able to just choose them
[20:51] <Calvin> gwp: hold on
[20:51] <Toejam> gwp: You need a /boot partition
[20:51] <scifi> Calvin: no im getting a lappy soon with vista preinstalled, but i am considering putting kubuntu on it, the only slight drawback of this MAY be reduced battery life. But surely kubuntu will be less resource-hungry and wud perhaps counter the loss of power from less efficient power-management
[20:52] <Toejam> your BIOS has a bug that can't reach the kernel file
[20:52] <Calvin> gwp: if you have a boot partition move it to the beginning of the drive
[20:52] <Toejam> gwp: If you read the GRUB Faq on the site they havethat in it as it's a very popular error
[20:53] <Toejam> scifi: Wouldn't worry about it vista's power consumption gets horrible the longer you use it from what I have seen
[20:53] <Calvin> scifi: I am on a desktop, so that does not matter for me
[20:53] <Toejam> Whereas Linux seems to be getting better :)
[20:53] <gwp> oh, Toejam; no I did not check for errors and Calvin; how do I move it to the beginning all: im checking the faq now
[20:53] <Toejam> Calvin: No worries. 4.0 is very much not for everyone
[20:54] <Toejam> gwp: How well do you understand partitions ?
[20:54] <Calvin> Toejam: I know that
[20:54] <scifi> Toejam:  :D
[20:54] <Calvin> gwp: can you show your partition table?
[20:55] <Toejam> Calvin: 4.1 should be for the average user. Hopefully 4.2 will be for everyone 4.3 will be for aliens and 4.4 will incorporate all carbon based life forms
[20:55] <scifi> im so sad, im already looking on kde-look for new themes and i havent even got the lappy yet LOL
[20:55] <Toejam> then 4.5 will be the "When I was younger we didn't use KDE. No Way grandpa! how did you survive" release
[20:55] <gwp> Toejam: not enouh to repairthem or move the boot sector without an easy to use program, but I do know what a partition is and the basics
[20:56] <Toejam> gwp: Gparted should be good enough for you
[20:56] <gwp> Toejam: what command to list my partitions?
[20:57] <gwp> I just reboot my kubuntu pc and it didnt error this time
[20:57] <gwp> strange
[20:57] <Calvin> The command is sudo fdisk -l
[20:58] <pim> Well I found it. I used the option which I could select on the left first, but with a manual search via the menus, it worked well.
[20:58] <nohelphere> i need to kill EVERYTHING related to printing which processes shoudl I stop (and restart)?
[20:59] <Calvin> kill cups
[20:59] <scifi> what themes do u guys use? :)
[20:59] <yordan> how i can install somthing whith out adept?
[20:59] <gwp> Calvin; I typed fdisk -l and it showed nothing, did not even error, just went to the next command line
[21:00] <Calvin> did you do it as root user?
[21:00] <nohelphere> i killed cups
[21:00] <nohelphere> and also the thing that come sup when you start a print job
[21:00] <pim> If I go to the flash download site, I have to select what to download a tar a rpm or a yum?
[21:01] <nohelphere> i thin k cups is running...
[21:01] <nohelphere> that krpint thing isn't
[21:02] <MachinTrucChose> hi
[21:02] <pim> what should I pick to install?
[21:02] <MachinTrucChose> how can I tell which files a package has installed? I'm trying to locate the configuration file for Gnome Catalog and have had no luck.
[21:02] <gwp> k, i got it. /dev/sda1 * 1 19205 154264131 83 Linux ; /dev/sda2 19206 20023 6570585 5 Extended ; /dev/sda5 19206 20023 6570553+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris
[21:02] <nohelphere> it isn't printing
[21:03] <gwp> thats my partition table
[21:03] <Calvin> /dev/sda1 * 1 19205 154264131 83 Linux  /dev/sda2 19206 20023 6570585 5 Extended ; /dev/sda5 19206 20023 6570553+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris
[21:03] <Calvin> sorry
[21:03] <Calvin> I am just wondering
[21:04] <Calvin> your boot partition is the first, as it should be
[21:05] <gwp> yeah, so I am curious too
[21:05] <Calvin> you told befor that your pc booted the last time
[21:05] <Calvin> if the error comes back try to update your bios
[21:06] <gwp> Just now when i rebooted, gonna reboot again to see what it does (i just didnt have to select generic)
[21:06] <phoenix_> hi
[21:07] <Calvin> hi
[21:07] <phoenix_> harmental you speak french ?
[21:09] <gwp> Error 18: Selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS
[21:09] <gwp> Just got it again
[21:10] <gwp> The weird thing is it was supose to be KDE4 install
[21:10] <gwp> but its like 3.9 or something like that
[21:11] <Calvin> probably 3.99
[21:12] <Calvin> is it 3.99?
[21:12] <gwp> let me check, i was rebooting again
[21:12] <gwp> well im loading kde 4 right now
[21:12] <Calvin> 3.99 is the "developer edition"
[21:12] <gwp> it loaded fine i just went to log out and selected it
[21:13] <rohan> on hardy systems having hardy-backport enabled, qt is updated to 4.4, wheres pyqt is still 4.3.3. would that cause a problem? will hardy-backports update pyqt to 4.4
[21:13] <gwp> kde4 is bad ass
[21:14] <Calvin> kde4 does not change your mbr
[21:15] <Calvin> mbr = master boot record  - that's the place where grub lives
[21:15] <Freddy2> hello
[21:15] <Toejam> nohelphere: sudo /ect/init.d/cups stop
[21:16] <gwp> I understand that but I dont know what to do about my mbr, maybe the size of that drive kubuntu has a problem with? maybe use a smaller drive and put the mbr and install on and then put /home on my larger drive?
[21:16] <Freddy2> one friend is trying to create a software raid at install time (from the live cd), but can't find the option for creating "md devices", with the desktop version
[21:16] <Toejam> pim: you can install flash from adept
[21:16] <Freddy2> do you need the alternate version for this? thx
[21:17] <pim> Toejam, also apt-get flash?
[21:17] <Toejam> !fr
[21:17] <phoenix_> thanks for the french link
[21:17] <Toejam> rohan: in time I'm sure
[21:17] <Toejam> rohan: #kubuntu-devel
[21:18] <Toejam> Freddy2: You can't use the Desktop Cd use the alternate Cd instead
[21:18] <Freddy2> ok, i'll try.. thx
[21:18] <Toejam> pim: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[21:18] <rohan> Toejam: ok
[21:19]  * Toejam goes back to picking cherries
[21:21] <pim> Toejam will it also work with konqueror?
[21:22] <Toejam> yes
[21:22] <Toejam> in theory
[21:22] <Freddy2> Toejam: hmm in dvd format are also available both desktop and alternate versions? or there's only one?
[21:23] <pim> Toejam it doesn't unfortunately, what should I do next?
[21:23] <Toejam> Freddy2: Both are available
[21:23] <Freddy2> ok
[21:23] <Toejam> pim: you restarted Konqueror?
[21:24] <Dragnslcr> Freddy2- there's only a single version of the DVD. It should include everything from both the Desktop and Alternate CD's
[21:24] <Toejam> PLus all of the main repo
[21:24]  * Toejam waits for Kubuntu Blu_ray edition
[21:24] <Freddy2> ok, that's what i had imagined..
[21:24] <antoniot> hola
[21:24] <Toejam> With all of KDE SVN :)
[21:24] <Toejam> !hi
[21:25] <antoniot> mierda que arrecho pura gente que usa kde
[21:25] <pim> Toejam, yes I have rebooted.
[21:25] <Toejam> pim: Hmm
[21:25] <Freddy2> antoniot: este canal es en ingles exclusivamente
[21:25] <Toejam> pim: Settings -> configure -> Konqueror -> Plugins -> scan for new plugins
[21:26] <antoniot> gracias mi pana
[21:26] <antoniot> jeje
[21:26] <Toejam> !es
[21:26] <antoniot> porfa me dices uno en español?
[21:26] <antoniot> listo man gracias!!! =)
[21:26] <Toejam> antoniot: ^^^ :-)
[21:26] <Freddy2> ahi tienes
[21:26] <HunterSThompson> I see Toejam...but no Earl to be found...
[21:26] <Toejam> HunterSThompson: Someone took earl :(
[21:26] <HunterSThompson> savages
[21:27] <Toejam> Yeah wait till I tell my uncle Cryptosporidium 137
[21:28] <HunterSThompson> lol
[21:28] <gwp> I just did an integrity test on the cd-rom it checked good, gonna try a fresh install to see if it fixes the issue
[21:29] <pim> Toejam, I'm sorry but I have the dutch version of kubuntu. Which settings do you mean, within Konqueror or from the 'start' menu?
[21:29] <Toejam> pim: Konqueror I'm sorry
[21:30] <HunterSThompson> I'm getting no response in #mythtv-users so I'll ask here...does anyone know how I can cause playback to always be in Progressive Scan mode?
[21:30] <Toejam> #mythbuntu ?
[21:30] <HunterSThompson> Ye gods!  That's the channel i wanted
[21:31] <pim> Toejam, It works, thanks!
[21:31] <Toejam> pim: :-)
[21:31] <nohelphere> i sent something to be printed a half hour ago... its just now being printed
[21:31] <Toejam> !fr | pim If you want french help in the future
[21:32] <Toejam> nohelphere: that's no good if the cops are knocking on the door
[21:32] <pim> Toejam My french is not as good as my English I'm afraid : -)
[21:32] <Toejam> Oui oui
[21:32] <HunterSThompson> as long as it's better than most american's speak english I have no complaints...
[21:33] <pim> hehe
[21:33] <pim> Ma francais, n'est pas tres bien
[21:33] <HunterSThompson> sont le mot qui vont tres bien ensemble
[21:34] <Toejam> hmm
[21:34] <Toejam> do we allow conjunctions here?
[21:34] <gwp> Toejam: I am at the partition editor in the install. I selected automated partitioning and it gave me, #1 primary 158.0 GB F ext3 / ; #5 logical 6.7 GB F swap swap
[21:35] <HunterSThompson> yes...but no contractions a'tall...
[21:35] <Toejam> gwp: You have no Windows partition ?
[21:35] <HunterSThompson> that didn't work
[21:35] <gwp> Toejam: now the weird thing is when i hit enter over the #1 primary to see the options, bootable flag is off
[21:35] <gwp> Toejam: no
[21:35] <Toejam> gwp: Ok Well I assume you don't want one then :)
[21:36] <gwp> Toejam: nosir
[21:36] <Toejam> Well If I may be so bold as to suggest a /home parition ?
[21:36] <gwp> Toejam: yeah i wondered why the auto setup didnt do that, could you give me an example of a good partition system with a 160 gig hard drive, id set my partitions up based on that
[21:37] <HunterSThompson> no response in #ubuntu-mythtv either
[21:37] <Toejam> Well if you are having a issue on boot up I would make ~1GB /boot first
[21:37] <Toejam> then a ~10 GB /
[21:38] <Toejam> You know your usage of the computer and the type of applications you will install so do that as to your liking
[21:38] <Toejam> I have a 7GB / I've never filled
[21:38] <Toejam> gwp: 64 Bit or 32 bit install ?
[21:39] <gwp> Toejam: 64 bit
[21:39] <Toejam> ah good how much RAM?
[21:39] <gwp> THe /boot would be primary correct? and 4 gigs
[21:39] <Toejam> please include foreseeable expansions :)
[21:39] <gwp> Toejam
[21:39] <Toejam> Sure that's a good deal more than plenty
[21:40] <gwp> Well I am going to expand to 16gigs soon
[21:40] <Toejam> OK A 6 Gig swap isn't ridiculous then
[21:40] <gwp> For ram, 4 gigs for ram and 16 soon if thats what you meant
[21:40] <Toejam> right
[21:41] <Toejam> You had 6 gigs for swap which is normally really stupid
[21:41] <Toejam> If you are going to be filling 16 Gigs of RAM then that 6 may come in useful
[21:41] <Toejam> assuming you are doing pretty heavy lifting
[21:41] <gwp> For my main / how big would you suggest? I plan on using this pc asmy primary & gaming machine
[21:41] <HunterSThompson> wow...16G...I have two...one of which is never used
[21:42] <Toejam> gwp: Dunno. You know better than I do
[21:42] <gwp> Its rediculous i know, the board will hold 32 gigs, i just wanted to see what 16 gigs did :)
[21:42] <Toejam> If you install a lot of self contained apps (games would count) then more is good
[21:42] <gwp> Would the / be primary or logical?
[21:42] <HunterSThompson> primary I'm sure
[21:42] <Toejam>  if you have a lot of servers that generate data then much more
[21:43] <Toejam> gwp: Doesn't matter but / is safe
[21:43] <Toejam> sorry primary is safe
[21:43] <antoniot> porque en #kubuntu.es no hay nadie?
[21:44] <Toejam> !es
[21:44] <hawkeyex> hmm
[21:45] <hawkeyex> got a little problem with my printer. hmmmm
[21:45] <antoniot> gracias otra vez
[21:45] <hawkeyex> anyone wanna help me with it?
[21:45] <hawkeyex> does anyone know how to make my printer default to hp6280? because when I try to print something, it always selects PDF first
[21:45] <Toejam> hawkeyex: you checked in printers in system settings ?
[21:46] <Toejam> hi robertknight
[21:46] <hawkeyex> ok
[21:48] <gwp> Wonder why kubuntu auto creat partitions sucks. it initially made 2 partitions / and swap and the first install i had was like that and probably causing the error 18 message
[21:49] <Toejam> gwp: Works for most people
[21:49] <gwp> Toejam: well I hope that by creating the /boot it will fix the issues
[21:49] <norman_x> hi out there!
[21:49] <Toejam> !hi
[21:50] <Toejam> gwp: Swap and /home can be logical
[21:50] <gwp> oh damn i set /home primary
[21:50] <gwp> thatbad?
[21:50] <Toejam> nope
[21:50] <Toejam> logical is nicer is all
[21:51] <gwp> why is it nicer?
[21:51] <Toejam> more flexible to play with later
[21:51] <gwp> o
[21:52] <gwp> I have a couple more hard drives I need to install later, would I need to do a reinstall when I do?
[21:52] <gwp> The reason they arent in are due to my laziness factor
[21:52] <Toejam> what do you mean install?
[21:52] <gwp> Toejam: slide them into the pc and plug them in
[21:53] <Toejam> you mean you want an OS on them as well?
[21:53] <gwp> no, i mean I want the space for this current kubuntu
[21:53] <Toejam> oh no
[21:53] <bleis> #italia
[21:53] <gwp> I dont like windows, its too screwy, I may download windows 2008 when its stable to check it out
[21:53] <Toejam> !it
[21:54] <gwp> but im not a fan of windows at all
[21:54] <bleis> tanks ubottu
[21:55] <gwp> hopefully when I reinstall WoW it works this time
[21:55] <gwp> I wonder if I should install it twice
[21:55] <Toejam> ha ha
[21:55] <Toejam> ask in #winehq
[21:55] <gwp> Since WoW worked fine before the expansion
[21:56] <gwp> No they didnt help when I did
[21:56] <Toejam> They can give you nice walkthroughs I bet
[21:56] <gwp> they sent me to the same how to that I used when I installed it
[21:56] <rohan> bleis: ubottu is a bot
[21:56] <Toejam> They have a page on WOW though
[21:56] <Toejam> When did the update come out/?
[21:56] <gwp> a while back
[21:57] <gwp> im sure it works on most pcs
[21:57] <gwp> k, its rebooting, cross ur fingers
[21:58] <gwp> ooh no error this time
[21:59] <gwp> wtf
[21:59] <gwp> no x windows
[22:00] <Toejam> whats it do?
[22:01] <gwp> didnt boot into windows just a command prompt login, last thing boot shows is, Loading, please wait... ; kinit: name_to_dev_t(/dev/sda5) = sda5(8,5) ; kinit: trying to resume from /dev/sda5 ; kinit: No resume image, doing normal boot...
[22:01] <gwp> Before when I installed it booted into xwin
[22:01] <Toejam> Thats not even booted
[22:02] <Toejam> can you login?
[22:02] <gwp> yeah just did
[22:02] <Toejam> startx
[22:03] <Toejam> does that start KDE?
[22:04] <luciano_> hola
[22:04] <gwp> Could not create lock file in /tmp/.tX0-lock ; giving up. ; xinit: No such file or directory (errno 2): unable to connect to X server ; xinit: No such process (errno 3): Server error.
[22:04] <gwp> no KDE, reboot?
[22:04] <Toejam> gwp: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[22:04] <gwp> is that kde 4?
[22:04] <Toejam> no
[22:05] <gwp> I wanted KDE 4
[22:05] <Toejam> gwp: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop-kde4
[22:06] <gwp> E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-desktop-kde4
[22:06] <joe_> hi all can anyone help, i'm not able to open any website
[22:06] <joe_> i'm running on a dial up
[22:06] <joe_> i'm able to connect to irc using konversation
[22:07] <Toejam> gwp: Whhops kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[22:07] <joe_> i'm also able to ping www.google.com or any other website
[22:07] <Toejam> joe_: Can you ping the websites?
[22:07] <andor> who i install a flash player on kunutu ?
[22:07] <Toejam> !flash
[22:07] <andor> ty bot :)
[22:07] <joe_> Toejam: what do you think?
[22:08] <joe_> i think it this has to deal with my localhost setting
[22:08] <Toejam> joe_: Konqueror configured to go through a proxy?
[22:09] <joe_> Toejam: no, no proxy
[22:09] <Toejam> what localhost setting
[22:09] <joe_> Toejam: my localhost is: joe-laptop
[22:09] <Toejam> so?
[22:09] <joe_> Toejam: shouldn't it be "localhost"
[22:10] <Toejam> perhaps :)
[22:12] <joe_> Toejam: what do you suggest?
[22:12] <Toejam> joe_: See if firefox browses
[22:12] <joe_> i don't have firefox
[22:12] <joe_> :(
[22:12] <Toejam> If so it's a konqueror specific issue
[22:12] <Toejam> joe_: w3m then
[22:13] <joe_> no w3m also, i'm using kubuntu and it only comes with konqueror
[22:13] <joe_> don't you think that it is a problem related to a bad internet configuration
[22:14] <Toejam> yes but I wanna know if its Konqueror specific KDE specific or system
[22:14] <joe_> how can you know that?
[22:15] <joe_> other than trying another web browser
[22:15] <joe_> mmm
[22:15] <joe_> ah i see
[22:15] <gwp> joe_; you sure seem to be an asshole for someone asking for help
[22:15] <Toejam> open konsole and type w3m www.google.com
[22:15] <Toejam> gwp: Be nice
[22:15] <gwp> joe_: your issue is system specific/isp you said you tried two browsers and all you can do is chat
[22:16] <gwp> try getting onto a messenger
[22:16] <joe_> Toejam: it worked
[22:16] <joe_> Toejam: i could open the google website from w3m
[22:17] <Toejam> joe_: ok try getting onto some IM from kopete
[22:17] <gwp> then its konqueror specific, check your konquerer settings
[22:17] <joe_> gwp: ok i will do that, it seems you're right guys that this is a konqueror issue
[22:17] <Toejam> brb
[22:20] <lumpycow> hello
[22:20] <lumpycow> how do you change your screen size in kde?
[22:21] <Toejam> System settings -> Monitor -> resolution slider
[22:22] <lumpycow> would there be a reason why the monitor its not showing up in the systems setting?
[22:22] <Toejam> lumpycow: Computer Administration -> monitor & display ?
[22:24] <lumpycow> hmm maybe I hides it when your not using root....
[22:25] <Toejam> i'm not root
[22:25] <Toejam> KDE3 ?
[22:25] <lumpycow> yes
[22:25] <lumpycow> it did show up when I first installed it...
[22:25] <Toejam> You have Date & Time ?
[22:25] <Toejam> And Keyboard & Mouse ?
[22:25] <lumpycow> oh... maybe I uninstalled some things in add remove programs.... hmm
[22:26] <busfahrer> Excuse me, I just installed Hardy and this is what reddit.com looks like in Firefox 3: http://i25.tinypic.com/71mivb.png -- The small gray font really looks messed up, really hard to read, it used to be better in Feisty and Gutsy. Any ideas?
[22:26] <lumpycow> yeah... I have everything else... I must have accedentally deleted it...
[22:27] <Toejam> lumpycow: From a konsole type kcmshell displayconfig
[22:28] <lumpycow> yeah couldn't find displayconfig
[22:28] <Toejam> busfahrer: Dunno ask in #ubuntu if there are font regressions with FF3
[22:28] <Toejam> lumpycow: There you go
[22:29] <lumpycow> XD... think I deleted it when I uninstalled wine
[22:29] <uhriventis> Is there a program or something so that I can change my desktop theme without having to install compiz?
[22:29] <Toejam> yes too much wine will make you do drunk things
[22:30] <Toejam> uhriventis: What?
[22:30] <uhriventis> Just something to changed the colour of my bars and what not. But, not have all those ugly 3d effects
[22:30] <gwp> im reinstalling the system
[22:30] <Toejam> !theme
[22:30] <gwp> hopfully it works thistime
[22:30] <Toejam> gwp: What?
[22:31] <Toejam> What broke?
[22:31] <gwp> Toejam: that command you gave me ended up in an error and i never got xwin
[22:31] <Toejam> gwp: The apt-get install?
[22:31] <Toejam> What error ?
[22:32] <gwp> I cant remember now but it was durring the install of kde4
[22:32] <Toejam> run it again
[22:32] <gwp> last thing i remember seeing was something about the libraries and it errored and ended, i tried the command 4 more times to same avail
[22:33] <Toejam> and you dont remeber the error?
[22:33] <rogue_trader> i have a problem with kde 4: right after installing I clicked with the mouse somewhere inside the panel at the bottom and the widgets including clock, system and workplace moved to the left right next to the start menu icon. I do not see running programs anymore as a result. how can I change the position of the widets back to the lower right?
[22:33] <lumpycow> thanks
[22:34] <gwp> no, i tried a reboot and recieved the same errors from before and ended up at the shell login, so i reboot again and went into rescue disk to reinstall
[22:34] <Toejam> heh :)
[22:35] <gwp> installation takes just a few seconds, so its no biggy
[22:37] <tech9iner> !seen kkathman
[22:37] <tech9iner> ugh
[22:37] <gwp> not much out there for kde4 themes huh
[22:38] <gwp> rogue_trader: you cant drag them back?
[22:39] <gwp> heres the newest reboot
[22:40] <gwp> error 16: Inconsistent filesystem structure
[22:40] <gwp> damnit
[22:40] <crack> buenas notxes¡¡¡¡
[22:40] <rogue_trader> how can i change the position of widgets in the panel?
[22:40] <Toejam> !es
[22:40] <TeslaTony> rogue_trader: The way I fixed it was I right clicked on the panel where I wanted the task manager to be. Then I added the task manager applet to it again. You may need to add two before it sets correctly
[22:41] <crack> ok, thank
[22:41] <TeslaTony> As far as repositioning goes, I don't think you can right now
[22:41] <gwp> what do you have up your sleaves for that Toejam?
[22:41] <Toejam> gwp: Should have tried to fix the old error :)
[22:42] <Toejam> Where are you getting this?
[22:42] <gwp> lol, this a worse one?
[22:42] <Toejam> gwp: Can you login?
[22:42] <gwp> At initial bootup, it says that and then press any key to continue, then it asks if i want to load 8.04 kernal 2.6.24-16-generic or generic recovery mode
[22:43] <gwp> yeah i can load into xwin
[22:43] <Toejam> ok
[22:43] <Toejam> pastebin your /etc/fstab
[22:43] <gwp> Kernel 2.6.24-16-generic loads fine
[22:43] <gwp> k
[22:44] <gwp> What is that 16 bit mode or something the 2.6.24-16-generic?
[22:44] <Toejam> eh?
[22:44] <gwp> the kernel, what is that generic kernel?
[22:45] <rogue_trader> i just removed all widgets from the panel. now i do not see any widgets but I do not see any programs either
[22:45] <gwp> how do i read my /etc/fstab
[22:45] <Toejam> 2 =major version 6 = minor version 24 = release version 16 = ubuntu changes version
[22:46] <rogue_trader> does anyone know where the configuration of the panel is stored?
[22:46] <TeslaTony> rogue_trader: Right click on the panel, select "add widgets" and add whatever widgets you want in the order you want them arranged
[22:46] <Toejam> ~/.kde4
[22:46] <Toejam> rogue_trader: Help in #kubuntu-kde4
[22:47] <rogue_trader> TeslaTony, yes that would work but my problem is that I am not shown the running programs
[22:47] <rogue_trader> the widgets moved right next tot the start button
[22:48] <DarkJustice> I have hardy installed and it ran fine but suddenly I'm getting an error "Failed to start the x server. It is likely that it is not set up correctly. Would you like to view the x server output to diagnose the problem?" .. but when I do that it tells me "Failsafe mode was already attempted".. any suggestions how to boot back up would be grealy appreciated
[22:48] <TeslaTony> rogue_trader: Yes. I know. That's because you don't have the task manager widget. Add the task manager widget and you'll see the programs on the panel.
[22:49] <arturzyk> hello
[22:49] <towely> damn is every nick taken?! ROFL
[22:49] <gwp> how do i read my /etc/fstab Toejam?
[22:50] <towely> at a term type sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[22:50] <TeslaTony> towely: ilovewindowsandspam is still available
[22:50] <Toejam> alt+F2 -> kate /etc/fstab
[22:50] <towely> be easy though... you can edit it that way too
[22:50] <towely> Gee thanks Telsa! haha
[22:50] <Toejam> gwp: Wait might be kwrite
[22:51] <jeremie> oéch les mec
[22:51] <gwp> that worked
[22:51] <towely> sory guys didnt mean to flood with the nick changes... didnt realize it logged me into this channel at connect
[22:51] <arturzyk> zainstalowaem dzis compiza, od tej pory nie mam polskich znakow i kubuntu jest bardzo niestabilny...
[22:51] <jeremie> sa va bien
[22:51] <Toejam> arturzyk: polish?
[22:51] <Toejam> !es
[22:51] <Toejam> !pl
[22:51] <arturzyk> yes, i come from Poland
[22:52] <Toejam> :)
[22:52] <Toejam> good guess
[22:53] <gwp> http://pastebin.com/d4ff33907
[22:53] <towely> Question... cant automount anything as user... ipod, usb harddrive...nothing... have to terminal sudo it. Even though there are entries in my fstab with the user prefix. Any suggestions or points in the right direction?
[22:53] <arturzyk> szczerze, to nie szukam pomocy, tak chcialem tylko wyzalic sie:P
[22:53] <arturzyk> ale dzieki;)
[22:53] <towely> unfortunaly I dont speak polish
[22:54] <gwp> !polish
[22:54] <Toejam> arturzyk: ^^^
[22:54] <gwp> Did you see that pastebin Toejam?
[22:55] <o0Chris0o> hey guys, I tried to play a game in wine, and it changed my video settings, now I am at 640x480 how do I change back to 1280x1024, I tried going to system settings and changing it that way, but that didn't work :(
[22:55] <Toejam> gwp: yeah
[22:55] <Toejam> you did something funky
[22:55] <gwp> WHATS THAT?
[22:55] <gwp> oops damnlaptop
[22:55] <gwp> and these small keys, sorry for caps
[22:55] <towely> check your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file to make sure you have the proper mod lines for your monitor in there
[22:56] <o0Chris0o> k
[22:56] <towely> never heard of wine messing things like that though..
[22:56] <gwp> This sucks, im looking at a black screen right now because I selected logout, wonder if its going to go to the login screen
[22:56] <o0Chris0o> yeah
[22:56] <jco> hi, does someone know the difference between the nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-envy packages? From the description they seem the same...
[22:56] <o0Chris0o> I dunno
[22:57] <towely> so anyone have any idea how I can get my system to automount my usb devices again?
[22:57] <towely> the envy package would be for the envy client. I heard envy doesnt even work in hardy... what version are you running?
[22:58] <jco> towely: 8.04... but what is envy then?
[22:58] <towely> forget envy.... either download and install nVidias drivers or use the restricted driver manager to install your video drivers...
[22:59] <towely> envy was a way to install your vid drivers in previous versions of k/ubuntu
[22:59] <jco> towely: I'm ok, I just saw in aptitude this new package, I was curious...
[22:59] <towely> I would try the distro specific drivers installed by the RDM before using nVidia's.. nVidia's drivers hosed my system... the RDM did not
[23:00] <arturzyk> Goodbye everyone;)
[23:00] <TeslaTony> Is there a way on the command line to get a full (ish, anyways) set of system specs? HD capacity, RAM, CPU brand and speed...
[23:00] <jco> towely: I'm indeed using the Ubuntu ones, too easy to get them working to bother IMHO
[23:00] <Toejam> TeslaTony: sudo lshw
[23:01] <Toejam> you can dump iit to a HTML page as well
[23:01] <towely> They are working fine here. High fps in 3d games... full 3d desktop... very cool
[23:01] <Toejam> gwp: alt+ctrl+BkSpc ?
[23:01] <gwp> Toejam: what should I do about what i did
[23:01] <o0Chris0o> hey towely check this out, I'm not sure what to change http://pastebin.com/f2110c211
[23:02] <TeslaTony> Toejam: Perfect. Thanks
[23:02] <gwp> lol
[23:02] <jco> towely: I have the 3d stuff on the gnome session, just to impress friends, I use a "normal" kde for daily work
[23:02] <towely> the only mod line you have in there under the "monitor" section is for 640x480. Try adding like lines for your higher resolution
[23:03] <towely> I use compiz all the time... love the cube and super-e.... I dont have any of the other "candy" turned on but wobbly windows
[23:03] <o0Chris0o> well I can change it to 1280x1024, but not sure how to go abouts to change the rest
[23:04] <jco> towely: I just login on gnome when poeple tells me about the spectacular 3D effects of Vista...
[23:04] <towely> modeline  "1280x1024@60" 25.2 640 656 752 800 480 490 492 525 -vsync -hsync  <-- try that. I am no expert here.... not a CRT monitor?
[23:05] <o0Chris0o> no its not
[23:05] <jco> towely: I have a ThinkPad, Ubuntu detected my screen by itself and ran at 1920x1200 out of the box
[23:05] <towely> ok you shouldnt fry anything then... try changing the modline to what ever res you want that your lcd supports and restarting X
[23:06] <towely> MAKE SURE you back up the xorg.conf file before making changes
[23:06] <towely> ok so anyone willing to take a stab at MY issue? ROFL
[23:07] <jparishy_> Shouldn't I have the GL headers in kubuntu? I don't have them
[23:07] <jco> towely: what issue?
[23:08] <towely> Question... cant automount anything as user... ipod, usb harddrive...nothing... have to terminal sudo it. Even though there are entries in my fstab with the user prefix. Any suggestions or points in the right direction?
[23:08] <towely> if you dont then you should be able to DL and install them
[23:08] <jco> towely: doesn't Ubuntu use hal? did you try halmount?
[23:09] <towely> good point... brb.... see im a total noob except on the stuff ive done before... lol
[23:09] <towely> I'll make sure hal is running
[23:10] <jco> towely: I'm very new to Ubuntu, so I may be wrong, but I have the feeling that almost all major distros use hal nowadays
[23:13] <towely> halmount is not a usable command on my system... I did a /etc/init.d/hal restart and it seemed to restart/start without issues but nothing has changed with my issue...
[23:13] <towely> doing a hal man
[23:13] <towely> or man hal
[23:13] <towely> lol no man for it
[23:14] <towely> could I have some how removed the user level mount permissions globaly?
[23:14] <andor> I instaled flashplayer, but it dont work in opera. what to do ?
[23:14] <jco> towely: I see now that hald is there, but there's no halmount command
[23:15] <jco> towely: oh... on another distro halmount is a link to halmount.py
[23:16] <towely> I deffinatly see being able to have full access to mount as a user could be a security issue but I can't even write to my ipod with gtkpod because it is mounted as root.  I suppose I could open gtkpod as root but I dont want to have to do that
[23:16] <jco> towely: but have you tried to add to the panel the "Storage Media" (or something like that) applet which provides the "Mount" option when a device appears?
[23:16] <towely> looking
[23:17] <Toejam> towely: Try setting a umask?
[23:17] <jco> towely: oh, halmount should be provided by the package ivman (sudo apt-get install ivman)
[23:17] <Toejam> kk I'm out for an hour or two
[23:18] <towely> in storage device manager I can add options for the pod.. wonder if I put user in there if it will solve the issue
[23:18] <andor> i tryed to seartch for new plugins whit opera, but it dont find any.
[23:19] <towely> I'm not up yet on the umask
[23:19] <towely> Try Firefox....
[23:19] <busfahrer> Excuse me, I just reinstalled my system and have the following problem: When I mount my homedir that I retained on another partition, my Konsole updates the text noticeably slow, i.e. scrolls sluggish. When I use the homedir from the fresh install, the problem is gone. I guess my issue is that some configuration from my previous installation is messed up, but I don't know which. Any ideas?
[23:21] <Toejam> busfahrer: mv your ~/.kde/share/apps/konsole dir
[23:22] <Toejam> busfahrer: likely you just have a huge set of logs or something
[23:22] <andor> towely: Firefox, no i dont really like that browser
[23:23] <towely> have you gone through Opera's support forums?
[23:23] <towely> thats where I would start
[23:23] <andor> will take a look
[23:37] <andor> !flash
[23:38] <darkalien> hello
[23:38] <darkalien> i have a question
[23:38] <darkalien> when compiling git on KDE  are switches like --enable-kde  --disable gnome  --disable-gconf etc necessary?
[23:38] <Toejam> depends. do you want to enable KDe disable gnome and gconf ?
[23:39] <darkalien> i have kde and i wanted to compile compiz
[23:39] <Boohbah> darkalien: why?
[23:39] <darkalien> but i have configure it and it says gnome: yes kde:no
[23:39] <teddy_> hello. does anyone know what -march flag i would use on gcc for an amd sempron 3000+?
[23:39] <darkalien> i must habe the new version
[23:40] <Boohbah> darkalien: well it wouldn't hurt to --enable-kde
[23:40] <Boohbah> darkalien: i have never used git, but does it come with a gui? i assumed it was command line only
[23:41] <darkalien> git is a downlaod manger
[23:41] <ubuntu> hola
[23:41] <darkalien> i have downloaded the new version
[23:41] <darkalien> so and i must compile now
[23:41] <darkalien> i show you moment please
[23:43] <darkalien> problem is that there is gnome: yes kde: now but i try kubuntu
[23:44] <darkalien> so ok i think what i must have to do
[23:45] <darkalien> i must disable gtk and gnome and enable kde
[23:45] <darkalien> but how can i do this?
[23:48] <andor> lastime i used konqueror, and i was on a site whit flash one, i got a box ut if i wanted to instal flash. who i get that box up again?
[23:49] <darkalien> can anyone helps me please
[23:51] <darkalien> http://www.onlyfree.de/php/pasteservice/show.php?id=11304
[23:52] <Gabrunix> holas
[23:52] <Gabrunix> no se por que no me funciona el apt-get
[23:53] <Gabrunix> hoooooooola
[23:54] <Jucato> !es | Gabrunix
[23:55] <andor> !rpm
[23:55] <Gabrunix> ok thanks ubottu
[23:57] <andor> what file shuld i use, .rmp or tar.gz to kubuntu ?
[23:57] <andor> .rpm*
[23:57] <gwp> Where can I get a server install for Kubuntu
[23:57] <gwp> Well, to download and install from the kubuntu server
[23:58] <gwp> not to run my own server, ftp install i think its called