/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/05/17/#ubuntu-ops.txt

jussi01Hey everyone, what was the decision made with emma? was she to be unbanned from channels now?00:16
* gnomefreak would say give her another shot00:16
gnomefreakbut as for the masses i dont know00:17
gnomefreakits not really that hard to re-ban her00:17
ompaulis there still a ubuntu-uncensored pointing to something else?00:18
ompaulthat is my only question00:18
gnomefreaknot sure but the namespace is not so good IMHO00:18
ompaulif it was not dropped fully then I would have questoins00:18
jussi01yeah, she is allowed in #ubuntu but still banned from #kubuntu - can I unban her?00:18
ompauljussi01, I would say ask the banning person00:19
ompaul   Channel: ##ubuntu-uncensored   Topic: THIS CHANNEL HAS BEEN REDIRECTED TO:  ##club-ubunt00:19
ompaulso really that should be dropped from my community view00:20
jussi01ompaul: we dont have a BT that goes that far back.00:20
ompaulas in - it serves no purpose00:20
ompauljussi01, ok clue ;-) ask the pointy stick of doom00:20
gnomefreakim sure the ban was just a mass ban00:20
gnomefreakyep she would have been the banned :)00:20
ompauljussi01, the ban list says who owns the ban00:20
jussi01ompaul: not always00:21
jussi01[02:16:38] * 367 #kubuntu *!*@200.93.121.56 ballard.freenode.net 120829787200:21
ompauljussi01, there are netsplits and as if to make the point00:21
* ompaul configures firewall rules for holiday00:22
gnomefreakholiday?00:23
gnomefreakmonday is canada holiday00:23
Seeker`ompaul: holiday rules?00:23
gnomefreakand UDS holiday00:23
ompaulSeeker`, for me to get back into the house while I am away00:24
ompaul:)00:24
jussi01Ok, if no-one has any objections, I will unban her - cant see why not as she has been allowed back into #ubuntu. Any problems a re-ban will fix.00:24
HobbseePriceChild: the people at UDS01:26
Hobbseejussi01:01:27
Hobbseejussi01: she's still arguing over the fact that she's not arguing, after reentry to #ubuntu01:27
Hobbseeif you want her in #kubuntu, go ahead.01:27
Hobbseejussi01: jus tmake sure you check the information she gives, as some of it was known wrong.01:28
bazhangyeah that is so01:30
AmaranthWho are you talking about?01:31
AmaranthAnd what about the people at UDS? :)01:31
HobbseeAmaranth: they're not cloaked unless they've authed.01:33
Amaranthah01:33
Amaranthbut they should at least get a cloak showing they're at UDS01:33
Amaranththat's how it usually works01:33
Hobbseeyes.  that's the point.01:33
Amaranththen a member cloak will override it01:33
Hobbseeyes.01:33
Hobbseehowever, if they don't actually request a cloak, which IS said it would last itme, it doesn't happen.01:34
* Hobbsee emailed, and is now poking people to action it.01:34
Amaranthwell if you don't ask freenode for it they'll just ban all of us for too many people from one IP01:34
Hobbseeexactly01:34
Amaranththen i'll find open wifi somewhere in prague and lart the council ;)01:37
IenorandHi, I would like to be able to join #ubuntu from the java-chat service Mibbit.com, since my uni has the firewall set up blocking both standard and 8000-8002 ports, (or so I guess, since I can't connect.).01:42
IenorandWould that be possible?01:42
IenorandI've heard something about magic hostname cloaks...?01:43
elkbuntuIenorand, did you follow the instructions in the channel #ubuntu-proxy-users?01:43
Ienorandyes, I've tried connecting through ports 8000-*2.01:44
elkbuntu<FloodBot1> Ienorand: Try again joining #ubuntu, you've been granted temporary access from your web gateway. Don't leave this channel until you've joined! (Also, on some browsers it may take up to a minute or more to sync to #ubuntu, so please be patient for a while before killing the browser and trying again)01:44
elkbuntudid you follow *that*01:44
* elkbuntu headdesks01:44
elkbuntu<FloodBot1> Ienorand: Try again joining #ubuntu, you've been granted temporary access from your web gateway. Don't leave this channel until you've joined! (Also, on some browsers it may take up to a minute or more to sync to #ubuntu, so please be patient for a while before killing the browser and trying again)01:46
elkbuntuyou need to join #ubuntu-proxy-users01:47
elkbuntuthen wait for the above01:47
elkbuntuthen join #ubuntu01:47
elkbuntuIenorand, please join #ubuntu-proxy-users01:47
IenorandYes, but I seem to never get that message, I got it for a while (month ago maybe) but now it just waits forever...01:48
elkbuntuIenorand, you got that message today01:48
elkbuntuthe paste above is from 15 minutes ago01:48
elkbunturight before you did !proxy01:48
elkbuntuLjL, the mibbit message is being done way too quickly, please delay it a little longer01:50
ethan961Hello people.02:01
ethan961I was banned from *-offtopic some time in the last day or so, and I do not know why.02:02
ubottuPelo called the ops in #ubuntu (buntu)03:08
* johnc4510 jussi01 thx for setting up the bot in the AZ channel, it's working fine03:08
bazhangwols03:36
ubottuIn #ubuntu-us-az, johnc4510 said: !meeting-AZTeam is The Ubuntu Arizona LoCo team meetings are every Sunday at 9:00 PM Arizona time in our team channel, #ubuntu-us-az. Everyone is welcome!!04:02
Amaranth!meeting04:38
ubottuTeam meetings are held in #ubuntu-meeting - See « /msg ubottu logs » for transcripts.04:38
Amaranth!meeting-#ubuntu-us-az is The Ubuntu Arizona LoCo team meetings are every Sunday at 9:00 PM Arizona time in our team channel, #ubuntu-us-az. Everyone is welcome!!04:38
ubottuI'll remember that, Amaranth04:38
Amaranth!meeting-#ubuntu-us-az04:38
ubottumeeting is The Ubuntu Arizona LoCo team meetings are every Sunday at 9:00 PM Arizona time in our team channel, #ubuntu-us-az. Everyone is welcome!!04:38
johnc4510Amaranth: thx04:38
Amaranth!no meeting-#ubuntu-us-az is <reply>The Ubuntu Arizona LoCo team meetings are every Sunday at 9:00 PM Arizona time in our team channel, #ubuntu-us-az. Everyone is welcome!!04:38
ubottuI'll remember that Amaranth04:38
Amaranthjohnc4510: now when you do !meeting in your channel it'll say that04:38
johnc4510yep, thx04:39
johnc4510:)04:39
johnc4510Amaranth: thx again cya04:48
ubottuIn #ubuntu, mauro said: ubottu: alsamixer is not working07:26
ubottuIn #ubuntu, mauro said: ubottu: alsamixer is not working07:26
bazhangpoor bot07:42
ompaul!bot > mauro07:42
ompaulohh time lag07:42
bazhang:)07:42
bazhangubottu?10:05
jussi01bazhang: back in a min10:06
jussi01there we are10:06
bazhangooh thanks jussi01 :)10:06
ompauljussi01, pm12:19
ubottuIn ubottu, ikonia said: !no themes is Find theme options at http://www.gnome-look.org and http://www.kde-look.org. A google search will show additional sites. Also see Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy12:31
ompauljenda, you get that mail?12:32
ompauljenda, please see pm12:32
goukimneptok: ping14:18
goukiguys, the channel #ubuntu-ps3 was registered. at the time, since the council wasn't available, a member of the operator team registered itself and gave me access.14:21
goukinow I have to change a few things, give access, basically, and I can't do it with my current level.14:21
jussi01gouki: Id say you need to contact the original guy and ask him to raise your level14:22
Amaranthno no, UbuntuIrcCouncil owns the channel14:22
Amaranthso any one of them can do it14:22
jussi01oh14:22
goukijussi01: that's what I though, that's why I pinged mneptok_, but then I saw the council owns it.14:23
goukiSo ... Doable?14:25
Myrttitsfph14:25
jussi01gouki: you would then need to find someone from the IRC council if I understad Amaranth correctly14:25
goukijussi01: thanks. I'll just wait until someone reads it :)14:26
jussi01:)14:26
bazhangargh spainish14:39
elkbuntugouki, explain #ubuntu-ps3 to me15:13
ikoniahow can there be an official #ubuntu-ps3 channel, when the ubuntu PPC version is community support and the ubuntu ps3 project is not an official project ?15:26
=== juliux is now known as Juliux_HSV
jussi01I would think that ps3 should be supported in PPC anyway....15:27
mc44ikonia: since when were "offical" channels dependent on canonical support15:27
ikoniaI don't know15:27
ikoniaI'm asking15:27
ikoniajussi01: thats more sensible as it's only the hypervisor that makes it difference15:27
ikoniadifferent even15:27
elkbuntuikonia, there's numerous community support and development channels15:31
ikoniatotally, I get that, I thought they had to be "official" ubuntu projects to be official ubuntu channels15:32
ikoniaeg: ppc is an official ubuntu project15:32
ikoniabut PS3 distro isn't15:32
ikoniaI didn't mean it had to be tied to canonical support15:33
ikoniaI just thought it was related to ubuntu projects15:33
goukielkbuntu: a channel for the Ubuntu PS3 port15:39
=== Juliux_HSV is now known as juliux
Nafalloehrm15:43
Nafalloisn't ps3 just a kernel + ppc?15:43
goukielkbuntu: anything else you need?15:43
goukiFor all the unanswered questions about the port, please join the channel if you want to discuss it.15:52
ikoniajenda: are you awake please, I've just had a phone call from ompaul16:06
Seeker`ikonia: scary :P16:11
ikoniaI'm petrified16:16
Seeker`why did ompaul call you?16:21
ikoniastuck at airport16:28
Seeker`on his way to UDS?16:28
ikoniayup16:28
ubottueth01 called the ops in #ubuntu (zubu flooding)16:29
jdaviesikonia: ouch16:38
bazhangarg16:56
bazhangoh fun17:04
bazhangyes emma17:04
emmaYes?17:05
bazhangyou have something official you wish to discuss?17:05
emmaYou told me to join ubuntu-ops. You are an op so I am obeying you.17:06
bazhangemma is this in regard to something not to do with #ubuntu support?17:06
emmaI'm not sure what you are referring to by 'this'. You asked me to come here.17:08
bazhangemma; you PM'ed me-->I asked to say in channel for benefit of all is this not to do with ubuntu support (your reason for PM being = this)17:09
Seeker`emma: AIUI, you PM'd bazhang tot alk to him about something17:09
Seeker`he said to ask to pm him, and to keep discussion in the channel17:09
emmaYes and that is what I did.17:09
bazhangemma you PM'ed me without asking first17:10
Seeker`you said do you want to discuss comments he made in the hannel, and he said to join here - i assume to discuss what you wanted to say in PM17:10
emmaI've pmed you many times before without asking first. To the best of my knowledge that is standard and acceptable procedure when contacting ops.17:10
emmaI was under the impression that ops were available in that way.17:11
Seeker`emma: it still may be polite to ask17:11
bazhangemma what was the subject of your PM? I was very busy in the channel and often will ask users to say their issues to the entire channel17:11
bazhangemma is this some personal issue not suitable for here or the ubuntu support channel?17:13
emmaI understand. In order to understand me better it is best if you think of me as an adult who spent most of their lives learning social interaction off line. I was trying to be discrete but I think that asking me to come in here, and then this conversation is taking that in another direction.17:14
emmaOver the last couple of weeks I've chosen not to come in here, because I've felt that might be the best course of action in terms of helping people to get over their hard feelings. As I have. :)17:15
bazhangnot sure I follow emma; if it is a non-support issue, and non-official, then one would doubly expect the courtesy of asking first.17:15
bazhangplease let me know if that is the case emma17:15
emmaWell the reason I pmed you is because of a comment that you made as an op that seemed to be directed toward me. On the one hand that is 'official' in the sense that you are an Ubuntu op, but on the other hand it seems like something to be clarified discretely in order so that you are not put on the spot needlessly.17:17
bazhangemma would that be from the logs or in the main channel17:18
emmaIf you can understand though. On the one hand I've chosen not to come in here in order to promote the general peace, and then on the other hand I want to do what an op asks me to do. You asked me to come in here. And so here I am.17:19
emmaNow it becomes delicate because, my feeling is that most anything I say will not be read fairly by some people. And this is a difficult position for anyone to be in.17:19
Jack_Sparrowemma Please explain this for us17:20
Jack_SparrowOver the last couple of weeks I've chosen not to come in here, because I've felt that might be the best course of action in terms of helping people to get over their hard feelings. As I have. :)17:20
Jack_SparrowWhat hard feelings are we talking about17:20
emmaWell Jack_Sparrow I think that going into that very much would be counter productive in exactly the way that paragraph is alluding to.17:21
bazhangemma I'm not sure what the 'some people' alludes to; did you havea personal(non-support, non-official) issue you wished to discuss with me?17:22
emmabazhang - Nothing is personal with me. I wanted to clarify something that you seemed to be affirming that was said about me, in this channel, while I was not here.17:23
Seeker`I think she was trying to raise a non-support, semi-official topic with you17:23
Myrttiok, I'm getting confused here17:24
bazhangemma and you feel discussing this with me in a PM would be more appropriate somehow? do you a complaint to raise?17:24
bazhangerr have17:24
emmaI have to tell you gentlemen, some times I get the feeling I cannot win for losing :)  I have done what a human being can do to reach out in reconciliation and peace but some times seem to be met with a needlessly hard line.17:25
jdongMyrtti: I'm on your boat...17:25
bazhangwhat is Metabot?17:26
emmabazhang, I feel that discussing something that relates directly to you, in PM is more respectful to you, especially since you might clarify it and it would be nothing at all.17:26
emmabazhang - As you see by asking me to come in here, even as I'm trying to take a professional approach with you, it seems to make a production out of things that I was generally trying to avoid.17:27
emmaBut as I said, it is a delicate thing for me because on the one hand I am trying to avoid any drama, and on the other hand, you told me to come here. I calculated that doing what you asked was the best thing. I hope no one feels I made a mistake.17:27
bazhangemma indeed; I asked you to come here thinking you had some complaint to raise; many users who feel harassed in #ubuntu will do so from time to time--is that not the case here?17:29
emmaI have no reason to think so. But I also do not really think that this channel is a useful place for people to raise complaints or to try to speak with Ubuntu ops the way that two equal adults might speak to one another off line. This is just my opinion though. Others may think differently.17:30
Seeker`bazhang: can emma PM you to discuss what she wishes to discuss?17:31
goukiAnyone from the Council around?17:31
emmaSeeker`, it is not necessary.17:32
emmaWill there be anything else that any of you would like to discuss?17:32
bazhangSeeker`, I wanted to be sure that it was indeed a personal issue she was having not related to ubuntu support nor official business--ie being harassed in channel from time to time (as some users are wont to do)17:32
Seeker`emma: ok, is there anything else we can help you with17:32
emmaSeeker`,  I asked you first. :)17:32
Seeker`emma: No that I am aware of.17:32
emmaSeeker`, okay then.17:33
bazhangemma if there is nothing in the way of a complaint that you have to raise (my reason for suggesting this venue) then no real need.17:33
emmabazhang, was there anything else you would like to discuss?17:33
Seeker`It sounds like everything has been covered emma17:33
emmaOkay great. Everyone take care.17:34
Myrtti:rolleyes:17:34
Myrttigood thing it got sorted out, I got really confused there about who said what about whom when why17:35
Myrttiblech17:35
Myrttiand please, don't try to explain17:35
goukilol17:35
=== gnomefre2k is now known as gnomefreak
fdovingjussi01: hi. so i guess ubottu didn't get ubotus user-db, can i have edit-factoid-privileges please?18:21
jussi01fdoving: yes, it did. did you try @login ?18:22
fdovingnot sure what i tried, used my /ubotulogin alias with modified nick. i'll check.18:23
jussi01fdoving: please just try: @login18:23
Myrtti@login18:23
ubottuMyrtti: The operation succeeded.18:23
fdovingjust like that?18:24
fdoving@login18:24
jussi01yep18:24
ubottufdoving: The operation succeeded.18:24
Seeker`@login18:24
ubottuSeeker`: The operation succeeded.18:24
fdovingoh.18:24
Myrttisee18:24
jussi01fdoving: now try adding factoids18:24
Myrttiwasn't that hard18:24
jussi01:)18:24
fdovingi used to use some %identify username password thing.18:24
jussi01fdoving: no need for that anymore :)18:24
Seeker`!seeker is test18:24
ubottuI'll remember that, Seeker`18:24
Myrtti@whoami18:24
ubottuMyrtti: myrtti18:24
fdoving@whoami18:24
ubottufdoving: fdoving18:24
Seeker`wow, I didn't know I had edit privleges18:25
Seeker`!seeker18:25
ubottuseeker is test18:25
jussi01there we are.18:25
fdovingnice.18:25
Seeker`how do you delete factoids?18:25
Myrtti!forget seeker18:25
ubottuI'll forget that, Myrtti18:25
jussi01!forget seeker18:25
ubottuI know nothing about seeker yet, jussi0118:25
Seeker`ty18:25
jussi01heh18:25
bazhanghaha18:25
jussi01too quick18:25
fdoving!fdovingtest is hello world.18:25
ubottuI'll remember that, fdoving18:25
jdavies@whoami18:25
ubottujdavies: jdavies18:25
fdoving!forget fdovingtest18:25
ubottuI'll forget that, fdoving18:25
fdovingok, thanks a bunch :)18:25
jussi01ok, please dot overload her18:25
* Seeker` pats ubottu 18:26
bazhangwe missed her earlier :)18:26
Myrtti♥ ubottu18:26
jussi01Seeker`: if you have +v in here, then you shoud have edit rights IIRC18:26
jussi01I cant remeber exactly how that works, stdin set it up.18:27
Seeker`I knew i could access the bantracker, but wasn't aware that I could edit factoids18:27
jussi01:)18:28
GaryI don't have either :'(18:48
jussi01Gary: you dont have ?18:49
Garyor do I?18:50
jussi01Gary: you have a voice do you not...?18:50
* Gary squeeks18:50
Garyyes18:50
jussi01Gary: please try @login18:50
Gary@login18:50
ubottuGary: The operation succeeded.18:50
jussi01now test facoid?18:51
jussi01factoid even18:51
Gary!gary is scary18:52
ubottuBut gary already means something else!18:52
jdavies!gary18:52
ubottuGary is as Gary does, on the other hand four fingers and a thumb!18:52
Gary!forget Gary18:52
ubottuI know nothing about Gary yet, Gary18:52
Garyyay18:52
jussi01!gary18:52
jussi01heh18:52
jussi01!gary18:52
ubottuGary is as Gary does, on the other hand four fingers and a thumb!18:52
Garyis it case sensitive18:52
Gary!forget gary18:53
ubottuI'll forget that, Gary18:53
Garyyay18:53
jdaviesit should .lower() things18:53
Garyresult18:53
jussi01Gary: check this though...18:53
jussi01!unforget gary18:53
ubottuI suddenly remember gary again, jussi0118:53
jussi01:)18:53
Garyarghhh18:54
GaryI hate that one though18:54
jussi01I know... hence we keep it... :D18:54
Garymeh18:54
Garywhere is the ban tracker?18:55
jussi01Gary: do @btlogin18:55
Gary@btlogin18:55
jussi01now see the pm from ubottu18:55
jussi01:)18:55
Garyahh haa18:56
bazhang!bazhang18:56
ubottuFactoid bazhang not found18:56
Garyowww all my old gazzak bans are gone18:56
bazhang:(18:56
jussi01Gary: hahahah18:56
fdovingoh, the bantracker got improved pretty much since the last time i logged into it. :)18:57
Garywoo Dr Who18:58
Jack_SparrowI banned screenname92834 for ot then calling ub ops.. secret police and amatures..  just a little fyi18:59
jdaviesubottu: tell Jack_ about guidelines18:59
ubottujdavies: Error: I haven't seen Jack_, I'll let you do the telling.18:59
Seeker`Gary: have I missed anything19:00
jdaviesmeh, was Jake_ but ...19:01
GarySeeker`: it's only just started19:01
Seeker`i missed the pre-title bit19:01
Jack_SparrowScreenname seems to now be on a mission in offtopic..19:13
ubottuIn #ubuntu, rouini said: ubottu:yes this is true but Ubuntu is better then windows19:21
bazhang@login19:22
ubottubazhang: The operation succeeded.19:22
Seeker`what is the syntax for a banforward?19:24
Jack_SparrowSeeker` was it /cs bf nick channel19:24
Seeker`I mean the real syntax, not the syntax for a script I dont have19:24
jdavies /mode +b *!*@*!##fix_your_connection19:25
Seeker`ty19:25
PriceChildHobbsee: a gateway masl?19:53
PriceChild*mask?19:53
PleaseKlineMeThanks for banning me.20:35
PleaseKlineMeI don't use Ubuntu. However, the neighbor does.20:35
Garyvery childish PleaseKlineMe20:35
PleaseKlineMeGary: He uses my wireless.20:36
Garywell secure it then20:36
PleaseKlineMeI can't because my Linux driver won't support it.20:36
Garysecure it by mac address then20:37
Garybut trolling freenode is just petty20:37
PleaseKlineMeHe emulates my mac. ;(20:38
PleaseKlineMeOkay.20:38
Myrttichildish20:38
PleaseKlineMeI'm going to break into his apartment though the window to get him back. You're right, getting him banned is just petty.20:39
PleaseKlineMeMaybe plug all the drains and turn the water on.20:40
tomawI think it's safe to say that you're a little off topic here.20:40
jdaviesok...20:53
goukiAny Council member around?22:18
PriceChildgouki: what's up?22:19
goukiPriceChild: remember #ubuntu-ps3?22:19
PriceChildnope22:20
goukiPriceChild: You gave the OK to register it when I talked about it.22:20
goukiPriceChild: Currently I can't set access to anyone, and I need to22:20
goukiPriceChild: So I'm going to need an access level of 30, IIRC.22:21
goukiOr someone can give the access the to person in question and I continue with the same access level.22:22
PriceChildgouki: you registered it, the irccouncil seems to own it for some reason atm?22:22
goukiPriceChild: mneptok set it that way (I think it was him, not sure).22:22
PriceChildgouki: he couldn't do that if you registered it22:23
PriceChildgouki: why do you want 30?22:23
goukiPriceChild: and I didn't registered it. mneptok did, because we weren't sure the council would approve.22:23
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goukiPriceChild: like I said, to set access.22:24
Seeker`juliux: anything we can do for you?22:25
PriceChildgouki: who do you want adding?22:25
PriceChildSeeker`: nothing to worry about22:25
goukiPriceChild: His nickname?22:25
juliuxSeeker`, just idleing and waiting if somebody from the german ubuntu channels complaints about his ban22:26
Seeker`juliux: ah, cool22:26
juliuxSeeker`, i am the contact for #ubutnu-de, #edubuntu-de and #xubuntu-de ,)22:26
PriceChildgouki: yup22:27
Seeker`I take it you're from Germany then :P22:27
goukiPriceChild: munckfish22:27
Seeker`PriceChild: Shouldn't juliux have +v then?22:27
goukiPriceChild: He's a developer of the port.22:28
juliuxSeeker`, you get 99points;) if you have 100 you get free voice at #ubuntu-de-offtopic22:28
juliux;)22:28
juliuxSeeker`, i am not a op in #ubuntu*22:28
Seeker`what aobut #ubuntu-de?22:28
juliuxSeeker`, #ubuntu-de-offtopic is +m;922:29
juliuxSeeker`, in #ubuntu-de you don´ t  need voice22:29
Seeker`juliux: the #ubuntu-de comment was related to your "i am not an op in #ubuntu*"22:30
juliuxSeeker`, in the past +v was only for the ops in #ubuntu22:30
* Seeker` has a +v and isn't an op in #ubuntu22:31
juliuxhmm22:31
juliuxi think i don't need +v ;)22:31
goukiPriceChild: Will you set it up?22:31
PriceChildgouki: launchpad url?22:31
goukiapa22:31
goukiA second!22:31
PriceChild+v's in here are a little odd22:32
goukiPriceChild: https://edge.launchpad.net/~munckfish22:32
goukiPriceChild: what else?22:32
Seeker`AIUI, v in here is "we dont mind them sticking around for a bit"22:32
PriceChildgouki: I've added it.22:34
goukiPriceChild: Thanks22:34
juliuxSeeker`, ahh22:34

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