| bud32 | Hi :) what means "intelfb: cannot reserve FB region" ? This message appears on system boot. I have a custom config for this kernel. I saw the code... drivers/video/intelfb/intelfbdrv.c:568, does cleanup() then return means that the intelfb is not actually used / completely initialized? I tried without the driver, but I couldn't use tty's. | 02:09 |
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| atrus | at some point I used to be able to put a script into /etc/acpi/resume.d (in particular 99-xrandr.sh), and have it run when I resume from suspend, but now that doesn't seem to happen. Has that behavior changed, or am I doing something wrong? | 03:23 |
| J-Unit | atrus: yeah it's now /etc/pm.d/suspend.d or somethig of that sort | 03:23 |
| atrus | J-Unit: hmm. /etc/pm.d has nothing but 3 empty subdirectories. | 03:24 |
| J-Unit | atrus: yeah.... I wish I remember the correct format off the top of my head | 03:25 |
| J-Unit | but currently I'm on a RHEL box and can't check | 03:25 |
| J-Unit | ubuntu land is suffering a power outage ;-) | 03:25 |
| atrus | heh. well, it gives me something else to google for anyways :) | 03:25 |
| J-Unit | it's the standard pm-utils script format | 03:26 |
| J-Unit | list the contents of pm-utils | 03:26 |
| J-Unit | and in /usr/share you should see similar formatted scripts | 03:26 |
| J-Unit | the /etc/ location is simply a supplement to those | 03:26 |
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| TheInfinity | blaxun1st | 07:26 |
| bain | Good morning. | 08:14 |
| bain | Is there currently any plans for an integrated user desktop backup application ? | 08:17 |
| persia_ume | What would it backup up? To what media? On what conditions? There are several tools to facilitate this, with different answers to those questions available. | 08:19 |
| bain | persia_ume: I'm talking about an easy way to backup your desktop to usb to migrate a desktop to another machine ? medium would likely be usb since it's portable. I'm really thinking of something aimed at a newby ubuntu user | 08:22 |
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| persia_ume | bain: Hmmm... I suspect you're looking for something based on sbackup or hubackup, but I'm not sure. | 08:41 |
| jscinoz_ | Is it planned to migrate to Grub2 at some point? | 08:49 |
| jscinoz_ | as the default bootloader | 08:49 |
| * pitti takes a stab at the xargs b0rkage in intrepid | 09:33 | |
| stgraber | pitti: where are you ? :) I don't see you at the 3rd floor (or you are behind me) | 10:03 |
| pitti | stgraber: I'm in my room; is there wifi still? | 10:03 |
| stgraber | yep | 10:03 |
| stgraber | I guess we are like 20 here using the fosscamp wifi, it's still really fast and working just fine | 10:04 |
| pitti | coming down then | 10:06 |
| pitti | StevenK: I shouldn't have said it so loud ... http://launchpadlibrarian.net/14584191/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.findutils_4.4.0-2ubuntu2_CHROOTWAIT.txt.gz | 10:44 |
| pitti | infinity: so, my new upload of findutils to fix the xargs b0rkage doesn't build, because it fails with that very xargs crash; that requires some manual building, I figure? | 10:45 |
| pitti | lamont: ^ | 10:48 |
| kahrytan | What is being done to prevent what happened with SSH keys in debian/ubuntu to never happen again? | 11:01 |
| jdavies | !libsslbug > kahrytan | 11:02 |
| pitti | kahrytan: that's one of the bad things in the world, you can only defend against catastrophes that already happened; but there are infinitely many more ways to break something | 11:02 |
| pitti | kahrytan: but this certainly helped to raise awareness and caution a lot | 11:03 |
| kahrytan | Was that package only managed by 1 person? | 11:03 |
| pitti | two at the moment | 11:05 |
| kahrytan | At the time of issue? | 11:05 |
| RAOF | tjaalton: You were the person interested in putting nouveau into experimental, right? I'm currently playing around with module-assistant-ing the drm modules, which may make that easier/possible. | 11:06 |
| kahrytan | This just proves that two or more people needs to over see code before it comes mainstream. | 11:06 |
| tjaalton | RAOF: right, it was discussed recently on debian-x@ | 11:06 |
| RAOF | tjaalton: Ah. I'm obviously not subscribed to that; is there a one line summary? | 11:07 |
| tjaalton | RAOF: "hard" :) | 11:07 |
| tjaalton | to maintain, at least | 11:08 |
| RAOF | Right. Because you sometimes need new snapshots of libdrm for new snapshots of nouveau. | 11:08 |
| tjaalton | yep.. | 11:08 |
| RAOF | And you want to keep reasonably current with nouveau, so... | 11:08 |
| RAOF | Well, after I've tested this, it'll be possible to point debian people at my source packages, at least. | 11:09 |
| tjaalton | there really ought to be a new libdrm release soon, since X 7.4 basically can't release without it | 11:09 |
| RAOF | Oh, DRI2. | 11:09 |
| tjaalton | right | 11:09 |
| tjaalton | unless they demote it as experimental | 11:10 |
| kahrytan | pitti, The funny thing about this.. this was one my parents worest fears about linux. What is stopping coders from putting backdoors/security holes in code? | 11:10 |
| pitti | kahrytan: that's not a linux specific problem | 11:10 |
| RAOF | tjaalton: By 'they', you mean Debian-X? Or upstream? | 11:10 |
| kahrytan | pitti, but it's easier to do for a hacker in oss. | 11:11 |
| soren | kahrytan: Err? Why? | 11:11 |
| pitti | kahrytan: there was one such case in Debian that I faintly remember, and it was discovered pretty fast and the code got a big audit | 11:11 |
| ivoks | kahrytan: how? other hackers could check source | 11:11 |
| kahrytan | pitti, Yet, ths ssh one didnt get discovered for awhile | 11:11 |
| ivoks | kahrytan: that's much easier to do in closed source; no one but you could check the source | 11:11 |
| tjaalton | RAOF: upstream | 11:11 |
| pitti | kahrytan: no, you can't "just do" it, you need to earn credibility and permissions first | 11:11 |
| soren | kahrytan: If there's a backdoor in a closed source product, noone will discover it. In free software, eventually someone will discover it. | 11:12 |
| ivoks | kahrytan: do you know how many of those are in closed source world? :) | 11:12 |
| RAOF | tjaalton: That would suck. DRI2 brings world peace. It'd be nice to have in Intrepid :) | 11:12 |
| kahrytan | ivoks, How many people work for close source developer? | 11:12 |
| ivoks | kahrytan: a lot less than on open source | 11:12 |
| virtuald | were the other vulns in that dsa from debian or wideopenbsd? | 11:13 |
| kahrytan | I just know if this happens again, it will hurt OSS more then anyone realizes. | 11:13 |
| tjaalton | RAOF: yeah.. | 11:13 |
| ivoks | kahrytan: it might seem like that, yes... but you have to wonder... are you sure this kind of thing never happend anywhere else? | 11:14 |
| pitti | kahrytan: I'm undecided on that; on the one hand it proves transparency, on the other hand you always lose a big chunk of trust on those | 11:14 |
| ivoks | we aren't silent about our problems, closed source vendor are | 11:14 |
| kahrytan | ivoks, On the one hand, It didnt take long to fix it. M$ would have waited til patch Tues. | 11:14 |
| ivoks | kahrytan: MS wouldn't patch that at all | 11:14 |
| pitti | closed source devs aren't invincible against making stupid errors either, we are all just humans | 11:15 |
| ivoks | at least, not the way we did | 11:15 |
| kahrytan | They would patch it but not tell anyone | 11:15 |
| virtuald | how do you define aren't silent? | 11:15 |
| pitti | under that assumption, the OS/CS quality wrt. to those incidents doesn't make much of a difference | 11:15 |
| virtuald | In addition to this critical change, two other vulnerabilities have been fixed in the openssl package which were originally scheduled for release with the next etch point release: OpenSSL's DTLS (Datagram TLS, basically "SSL over UDP") implementation did not actually implement the DTLS specification, but a potentially much weaker protocol, and contained a vulnerability permitting arbitrary code execution (CVE-2007-4995). A side channel attack i | 11:15 |
| ivoks | kahrytan: yes, and leave vul. key to work | 11:15 |
| kahrytan | ivoks, I hope Debian community something from this. | 11:16 |
| ivoks | virtuald: we exposed the problem, made a patch and made those vul. keys unusable | 11:16 |
| kahrytan | *learned something | 11:16 |
| ivoks | ms would probably do all of that, except making vul keys unusable | 11:16 |
| ivoks | cause that would produce a lot bad publicity | 11:16 |
| ivoks | ...a lof of bad... | 11:17 |
| pitti | ivoks: that's pure speculation, though | 11:17 |
| kahrytan | How is Ibex progressing? | 11:17 |
| ivoks | pitti: of course... | 11:17 |
| virtuald | :> | 11:17 |
| ivoks | kahrytan: smart people learn while they live... | 11:18 |
| kahrytan | ivoks, and the idiot people ...? | 11:18 |
| ivoks | kahrytan: stop learning when they finish their school | 11:18 |
| kahrytan | ivoks, Smart people learn while they live, avg people forget what they learned, and idiot people dont bother to learn. | 11:19 |
| kahrytan | but i dont mean it | 11:19 |
| ivoks | pitti: anyway... i found out where the problem was with pgsql; pebkac :/ | 11:20 |
| kahrytan | Has anyone bother to make Ubuntu Installer import existing preferences on an existing install? | 11:21 |
| tjaalton | kahrytan: debconf-get-selections --installer > foo | 11:21 |
| kahrytan | Thats nice. Now does Ubuntu installer do it automatically? | 11:21 |
| ivoks | this, of course, isn't support channel | 11:21 |
| pitti | kahrytan: we also have this "migration assistant" in the installer which keeps some settings (or the partitioner keeping your /home dir) | 11:22 |
| kahrytan | ivoks, just showing some feature seeds. :-P | 11:22 |
| ivoks | pitti: right, it can even import your windows settings :) | 11:22 |
| kahrytan | pitti, You mean the migration assistant for windows prefs? | 11:22 |
| kahrytan | The same assistant that failed to work in Ubuntu 8.04? | 11:23 |
| ivoks | kahrytan: file a bug | 11:23 |
| pitti | kahrytan: it also imports Firefox/Pidgin from Linux installs | 11:23 |
| pitti | but I haven't used it much, I just keep my /home forever | 11:23 |
| kahrytan | It's supposed to do that import from prev installs? | 11:24 |
| pitti | you can tell it to | 11:24 |
| kahrytan | Wouldnt know how to. | 11:24 |
| kahrytan | I just thought no one tried to add it since either of install screens asked about it. | 11:25 |
| evand | It's not shown if it cannot do anything, such as when you're overwriting the partition in question. | 11:40 |
| evand | err, the partition that you would be importing from. | 11:41 |
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| Samsemilia | ,seen mvo | 12:57 |
| Samsemilia | !seen mvo | 12:58 |
| ubottu | Factoid seen mvo not found | 12:58 |
| Hobbsee | /msg seenserv seen mvo... | 12:59 |
| Keybuk | Preparing to replace debconf 1.5.20 (using .../debconf_1.5.21_all.deb) ... | 13:03 |
| Keybuk | xargs: xargs.c:443: main: Assertion `bc_ctl.arg_max <= (131072-2048)' failed. | 13:03 |
| Keybuk | EPIC. | 13:03 |
| Keybuk | FAIL. | 13:03 |
| TheMuso | eh | 13:04 |
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| lamont | pitti: that or an upload that builds without needing xargs... | 15:33 |
| pitti | lamont: that's hard, since debconf is already in the chroot, and it fails to upgrade; there's no way how to fix it with dropping build deps | 16:40 |
| pitti | lamont: I guess one would need to download the chroot, hit debconf over the head to install properly, save it, and upload it back? | 16:41 |
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| lamont | pitti: ew | 17:00 |
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| amitk | Keybuk: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kernel-ppa/+archive | 17:29 |
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| Keybuk | amitk: ah, thanks | 17:32 |
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| infinity | pitti: Probably, yeah. | 17:56 |
| dondelelcaro | hey; is there a UDS specific channel? | 18:43 |
| KristianL | yeah, #ubuntu-devel-summit | 18:49 |
| dondelelcaro | ah, thanks | 18:52 |
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| emgent`UDS | heya | 20:04 |
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| pitti | hey emgent | 20:25 |
| emgent | hey pitti :) | 20:28 |
| emgent | fosscamp AP r0cks! | 20:28 |
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